OPTCG's Cheating Problem & How To Solve It
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- These One Piece TCG Cheaters are getting out of hand and its time to address the real solution to it - an official digital client!
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Links:
Uriel-San Cheat re: Cheater: / 1779526721995174184
Kekfila's Tweet: / 1779571283577176402
Legacy European Tour MTG Cheater Caught: / player_caught_cheating...
This Cheater Was Caught - But Not Disqualified? (ThatMillGuy): • This Cheater Was *CAUG...
TCGTah's Tweet On Cheater: / 1779856726319091883
Robert Rondino's Tweet On Cheater & Digital Client: / 1779519006510129179
TheaBeasty's Lorcana Account: / thea__beasty
$10,000 Biggest Disney Lorcana Tournament In History (TheaBeasty): • Video
Pavel Kolev's Twitter (Creator Pixelborn): / pavelkolev7
Maebatsu's Twitter (Creator of OPTCG Sim): / maebatsu
btw I’m open to actual discussion, since you know, twitter is very limited and most people don’t care what I have to say anyways .
Imo in every card game I’ve ever played , an official digital client is a cash grab admitting the game is being milked for what’s left for it .
100% and that's why I wanted to be clear that I'm critiquing your take and not you, this is not attack against you, simply that I'm very much against the take you had
I've had no negative interaction with you in anyway so I don't want to burn that (regardless of how aggressive I'm being on video for clicks)
I’ll quote that when I do my video 😅
@@kekfilaTCG I welcome it, transparency is key :)
it's bandai, they been milking their ips for years. so nothing new there if they release a digital client
kekfila also cheated lmfao 369 my balls
The guy looks like he also picks up a card from his lap. Wtffff
This is 100% what happened. He was asked how many cards were in his hand to prevent the cheat of adding extra cards to hand. And to get around that he put his whole hand in the trash all at once to make it confusing for the opponent
It looked like he kept flashing the card on top of his trash. I’m assuming so he could pretend to drop a card and add the extra counter to his hand while placing his whole hand in the trash. Saying “ well you saw the card that was on top of my trash pre countering so that’s how you can tell I used all these to counter with “
One of my big issues at this point in time, is how big the game has blown up to be and how badly it's receiving little to none support. The online games are just abandoned and judges can do very little about webcam cheating. The banlist exists only as a checkbox. I enjoy the game, and even though I suck at the game big time and my closest to success is 2nd at locals I still want it to get supported and taken better care of by it's developers.
This is more so an online event issue rather then a one piece issue. Yugioh has just as much if not more cheaters with their online events.
but yugioh has Masterduel, which online games and tournaments can be played, and it works very well. Webcam events for TCG's is just not the right way to play now, especially with all the resources these companies have to make proper clients to play the game.
@@isaacthomas339You clearly aren't a yugioh player if you think there's no cheater in master duel. BWP has been making hand reveal/deck stacking clients since 2017 and he still going. And his client also attracts f2p players because you can skip the gem grind with his cheat client.
In yugioh it's an issue because people won't call a player out. They won't speak up for themselves. They won't ask questions or for a replay of a move. That and they are terrified of calling a judge outside of asking about a ruling.
@@raijuko That's a dumb af take.
Man, i’m over here deep in the think tank each game trynna play to all my outs and for all I know I’ve been getting robbed every time I take my eyes off their screen smh
kekfila is on something with that take. You can’t prevent cheating. And judges should be banning these players. The rules are written as they are and aren’t being utilized properly.
But you can prevent it with an Online App. MTG has Arena, YGO has Masterduel, Pokémon has Live. Like with these online programs you simply cant cheat. With webcam its very easy to cheat, and very hard to prevent it. Good cheaters wont get caught in webcam games. I guarantee you there are people that know or genuinely learned some form of sleight of hand to cheat more. Its just no longer a viable way to play online events.
@@isaacthomas339You can EASILY cheat on officially TCG clients. As someone who was top 100 global in KC cup in 2018, ALL THE TOP PLAYERS CHEATED IN SOME WAY. It's even easier to cheat online cause you can see your opponent's hand or face down cards and your opponent have no way of knowing know that you are actually cheating.
@@isaacthomas339Do you know how easy it is to cheat in MD? And unlike cheating in TCG, you have absolutely no way of knowing your opponent is looking in your hand and your face down cards. Officially online app prevents nothing. That's why most of the top DL players from 2017-2019 all cheated in some way. In fact you can even disconnect your opponent if you are losing a game. How is that any better than the actual card game?
@@TenmasSchoolOfThought So is MD the only thing u can talk about lol. also when games are reviewed if you see one guy losing a bunch but all his opponents dc so he wins.. hmm i wonder how many people would be like "oh wow such a crazy coincidence". Could also implement that you have to screen record your matches, so if one player thinks the opponent was way to lucky or felt like something suspicious was going on, they could request to have the screen recording checked out. Idk about you but i don't cheat, so not sure how all these clients you have work
@@isaacthomas339 Yes, I'm a yugioh player, not a mtg player. You listed MD as an example. What's wrong with me only talking about MD? I'm not afraid of admitting I cheated in 2018 because almost every in top 100 global did and we all got banned a couple of times. You saying "I don't cheat so idk" but then you literally talks about "you can't cheat in MD" just shows how bad your arguments are. You literally bring up a game you don't know about and start your conversation with "Is MD all you gonna talk about" yes, because I will only talk about a game I KNOW, unlike you.
I think having the option of online being on the SIM but they better fix the shuffling first because I don't feel that it is even random (I understand random is not equally distributed). It feels like it clumps cards way too often for it to not be some sort of error.
100% agree the sim saved this game, as soon as i played the tutorial i said "why isnt this a full on game?"
an official app with deck management system where you can say which card do you have how many times in your collection would be the shit
This is why i refuse to play online regionals. The intent to cheat on that platform is insane as it is very easy. In person you can just yell out judge. If they want to keep doing online, it has to be an official online client like Magic Arena.
Completely agree w/ you that the game would be dead w/o the sim. Hell, playing the sim for Lorcana and for Yu-Gi-Oh is what kept it alive for me, and the sim is what GOT ME INTO the one piece TCG. Bandai really are dragging their feet imo in finding a solution for this, but idek if they care at this point . I'm fortunate enough that there's locals near me, but not everybody is, so...idk, they really need to figure out a way to sanction online events better through an app . There's ways to do it, but the way it's being done currently isn't efficient or viable long term, esp. with the cheating controversies .
Due to prizing and sealed product value one piece would definitely be fine. Also the game actually requires skill and bad players get punished which is something not all games have.
I’m not a fun of using the client as it kills the incentive of buying cards and owing cards physically. Putting micro transactions on digital cards is also so bad. I also play better when I can hold my cards physically I prefer it that way.
the way I see it, the amount of work and fine tuning an online client would take, I'd say we're at LEAST 14-16 months away from seeing an alpha version
Online events are not fun, especially when the stakes are that high. You have people who cheat, qnd you jave people who are so fearful of cheating that theyre hostile to play against. 1000 percent for online client in place of webcam
How do you prove your opp is cheating when you are playing offline and nobody is filming you?! I had times where I called a judge and it wasn't resolved. Opp lies and says it didn't happen and so on.
another reason why a proper client for the online game is necessary. Especially slightly larger tournaments or more important ones where there cant be judges watching all the games. it ensures the right person wins and the right person loses.
I have an online tournament in may, not looking forward to it because of stuff like this.
i dislike remote tournaments in general just copy pokemons locals and point systems
I find it truly mind boggling that the Elestrals TCG already has an official online client with tourneys being run on it and everything; yet both Digimon and One Piece only have an official online tutorial. Its just whack
People want to play more tournaments. I hope Bandai will find the solution to give what the player wanted.
I just started playing OP with budget cards, what do you mean, are there so low tournaments?
I'm so confused what he was trying to do, putting there hand on top of there trash and making there trash apart of there hand? How did he think he was gonna get away with that? Was he expecting his opponent to suddenly have 20 cards in hand?
Though yea Im kinda baffled they didn't take that tutorial app and make it a full experience, it is a super nice app.
I completely disagree with the MTG take, I don't think moving cards around while going through your deck can ever be cheating, both you and your opponent have a duty to randomize the deck afterwards. If your opponent doesn't that's on him. Now if you're consistently doing fake shuffles and hoping the opponent doesn't properly randomize your deck that's a different thing, but there's a lot of reasons why you would move cards, you could easily just be considering your options which is completely legal.
I mainly play digimon now and I wish there was a mobile online TCG to play. I only play against my 3 friends and win 95% of the time including the one that got me into and taught me the game(he rages that I always surpass him and win in any game he shows me). I don't always have time to go to locals or many locals that support digimon where I live.
the first clip wasn't even that he added cards from trash. he counted a 2k counter as a 3k counter. If you listen to him 'count' it out while watched the cards he counts.
My problem with that online client thing is why would anyone buy cards then anyways ? One piece prizing is insane and it’s the best out of every card game. Just play in online tournaments and don’t buy a single card.
Also how do you handle the concept of miss clicks or double clicks ? Many times on the sim my laptop just double clicks for some reason or I missclick the wrong card over a gecko effect. Out of 10 rounds I will prob miss click at some point. What do we do there ? I also really like touching the cards physically so I’m not a fun of it.
Even without the sim one piece would be fine and definitely not dead. I disagree with your take here. Sure it would be less popular 100% but definitely not dead by any means. As I said before one piece has the best prizes and the best box pulling ratio out of every card game. Winning locals in one piece actually brings you value weekly. Buying boxes has an actually good chance to bring you value. These concepts are non existent in yugioh or Pokemon and I’m speaking from experience here. One piece would definitely be fine due to prizing and sealed product. Sure it’s hard to find it but it would still sell out of everywhere.
Since op06 release I have made more money with winning locals, playing in this 1 regional I have and opening op06 boxes than I have made in Pokemon my whole life. And I have been playing Pokemon for 4-5 years straight.
At the st11 tournament my second opponent cheat so heavy on me. I regret to not say what he was doing.
The guy dont use leader effect but still get more card in hand than me and he see only good card.
One piece tcg: we noticed people cheat when they deck search, so we make all our searchers only look at the top 5 to 1 cards, problem solved right?
Scumbags: hold my beer, continues to just slap whole hand down as "counter"
The little wimps that have to play over webcam and cheat know they would get there asses beat in person so of course they need to abuse online play. Totally embarrassing ppl
Thank you for this.... bro. I played my friend, and he cheated via Webcam. lol he was on his last life. the only thing that could save him was a trigger. He pulls the card to his hand and miraculously has a card that sleeps my character, preventing me from ending the game. Lol, he wins next turn, hahahaha
I dont think he is your friend anymore
@@supersayinli2996 lmfaoooo I agree
ppl that dont follow game etiquette should be permaed XD we dont need bad players
Wouldnt a better solution be to allow recording of all matches. And if intentional cheating is detected in the recordings, dq from tournament
This already happens. But you need way to many judjes if they need to look at recordings of a cheater. And they cant stop the tournement untill the recordings are all watched. The tournement would take way to long.
@@JeffDarkspawn yea but in order to record u need to ask permission. When signing up for a online tournament u would need to sign something to say that u waiver ur rights to not be recorded. And it would be something simple as at the end of tournament have like an hour for ppl to review their recordings and report any cheating.
@@franciscocharro602in the US at least, the TO said you can record without even asking .
There is an issue if you record and you use it for social media / your CZcams and you don’t get the other persons permission
If you played against someone and they said NO to being recorded , wouldn’t that be a red flag ?
@@franciscocharro602 i played in april 13th EU webcam regional and you can record all your games the TO also adviced to record all your games and use it only to share to judges. So no you dont need to sign shit. You know you get recored when you play a regional
Using Ai art is a fucking yikes
Dragon ball having an online client yet not getting tournaments…..
Just a waste of resources for db being a game still. 2 reboots already.
One piece also has a sim like lorcana……
You guys are cheating? I'm still trying to get cards😢
they spent ridiculous wrong
Destroy the optcg and embrace battle spirits
Nope and it is out of point
how about bandai just stop being shit right now. Put out way more product and open events up to more stores and the problem solves it self.
Agreed 100%
You have to sign up with your passport or government ID, cheaters are shared across all tournament organisers of that region, people can get new Bandai TCG ID and new Discord accounts, there's too much at stake, people will get tempted.
I really enjoy your videos as I feel like I learn a lot about Nami tech and wider TCG stuff but I do wish you wouldn’t use AI art for the thumbnails. Especially when OP is a series with millions of pieces of official art.
If you think that Bandai is going to develop or promote a digital client of their game where you may have all the cards for free, you are delusional. MTG has been successful and has a digital version developed by Wizards because they have monetized it. Otherwise Wizards would have never done or allowed it. In fact, I was expecting Bandai to try to sue Maebatsu, although I don't know if they would be successful with that (maybe that's why they didn't try to).
In any case, I play physical cards and I would never spend money on the cards and then have to spend more money on the digital game. That would never ever happen in my case, either I purchase physical cards or digital, but never both. I would never be willing to spend double money to own the same cards on both formats.
The only option would have been if the physical cards came with a code or something similar to obtain the same cards on the digital format, but now it is too late to implement such a feature.
I never see Bandai developing a digital format, or if they do, they definitely will monetize it, but forget to get it for free.
That's so true
if the sim did not exist the game WOULD BE dead.
Hate to admit it but the sim really helps people figure out thier investements, specially because we have no product.
It brings the competitive side of the game to youtube as it is easier to see competitive games with a good HUD to understand, it brings the comunity together and helps alot wich is why i really think batsu needs more praise for doing that work basically FOR FREE.
Yu-Gi-Oh almost got revived to full when master duel came(i was even one of the players that came back to the physical game for while), that with the one piece tcg would be to take the best advantage of the advancements of technology to the card games. Wich is why till this day i believe the CHAOTIC card game was ahead of its time, they pretty much embraced the digital platform early and i think they made a healthy balance with the way they balanced the game with physycal copies having different stats EVEN if they were the same card, and the code to the digital game would bring that card WITH THOSE STATS, made the game super fun and super variable and unpredictable.
get all Cheating in CFV, YGO, MTG and ect...
1:35 CFV is common get heal on 2016 to 2017 or 2018
"This game will fail without a digital cliet"
Wrong
"Team up with batsu"
Never going to happen
"You can't cheat"
Talks about digital client thats easily backdoored to display opponents hand
This entire view is so tone deff it's not even funny. Go back to making more nami game play videos.
Offline events only 😎