Farming & Food Under Attack
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- Brexit has decimated British farming and the #brexit economist Patrick Minford declared farming and manufacturing had to be run down.
But what happens to Britain with total loss of food security?
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Ask anyone who supports Brexit, if you wake up in the morning and the UK was back in the EU, what Brexit benefit would you miss the most ?
The twits would say "freedom & independence"! 😂
What would I miss about Brexit ?🤔..🤔..🤔..🫤..😬..🫠…😶🌫️..🫥
Liz should have asked Neil Oliver that, and other questions…
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Freedom to pollute rivers and the sea, freedom to impose roaming charges in the EU and so on.
who would have thought voting for Johnson and brexit could have gone so bad
Anyone with a functioning brain.
Me. You only needed to look at the idiots that were doing the negotiations to realise it was all being done to help the rich tax avoiders.
I did.
I said in June 2016 that Brexit would finish the Tory party.
@@stephfoxwell4620 Finaly a brexit benefit.
Nigel did say after we left EU we would be able to import cheaper food. and they still voted brexit.
Neil Oliver, big supporter of Brexit, expressing opposition to the mess that Brexit was inevitably going to be.
Not only a brexiteer but also an anti vax nut case, sad really.
How did Brexit cause the farmers in the EU to protest?
@@MRW515 W>hat a sad little "man" you are. "Educated" in England were you? It shows.
@@MRW515it didn't
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We appreciate you Liz, both for farming and for your campaigning.
Liz, you are so brave, going into the den of the (GBNews)beast to defend your worthy case, and ultimately, to defend all of us! Thank you xx
She is a star!
Liz Webster is indeed brilliant! Excellent interview! ❤🎉😊
Ireland has massively ramped up its farming and food production, to pick up the slack from the Brexit result...
It’s not just Ireland which is filling up the void internally in the EU SM left by the fact that the UK farmers are now outside the internal market.
But for example, Aus and NZ have increased their agri exports to the EU filling in voids left by the UK farmers no longer being able to sell into the EU.
So why can Aus and NZ both third parties do this since they too are outside the EU SM?
The reason Is that built into the trade deals that Aus and NZ have signed with the EU are high quality Sanitary Phytosanitary (SPS) Agreements whereby there is a high level of trust between them such that Aus and NZ agri exports face minimal paperwork at EU border inspection whereas absent a formal EU-UK SPS Agreement then every single consignment of UK agri goods sold into the EU must be inspected at EU Border Control.
This has created a lot of friction and cost for the UK exporters.
Plus it gets worse in that because there is no formal SPS deal built into the overall EU-UK trade deal then there is no binding legal requirement for UK law to remain broadly equivalent to EU law and so even though they will meet UK rules UK based exporters no longer de facto will meet EU standards as with time UK laws & regs will drift away from EU regs.
So the way the EU has decided to deal with the ongoing divergence between EU and UK law is to:
a) unilaterally accept current UK standards as being ‘equivalent’ to those in the EU but require each consignment entering the EU must be accompanied by proof of certification by current UK certification authorities = lots of paperwork and costs plus delay for what are time sensitive fresh food goods.
b) the EU Commission watches UK law & regs closely and if (as Farage dreams) all those EU regs embedded in current UK rules are scrapped then the EU Commission will unilaterally rule that UK laws & regs no longer meet current EU rules & regs and that no certification by a UK based certification authority is valid anymore and that for UK agricultural exports to enter the EU internal market then the individual UK exporter must at their own expense prove they have hired and use an EU based certification authority which after certification (at each step on the way) states that that particular UK based exporter is meeting EU standards.
Contrast this with the situation faced by producers in Aus or NZ, since those nations have negotiated & signed high quality SPS agreements with the EU there is a high level of trust that neither Aus nor NZ will make unilateral change to their own rules & regulations even if minor changes are made.
Hence per legal agreement only a random selection of Aus or NZ agri exports to the EU are physically inspected by EU border control. Currently that is limited to
Even before brexit Irish meat and butter were more available in the EU than British products.
@@epincion Yes and the deal took about eight years of negotiations and came into being in May.Unfortunately the UK does not know how to make good deals because they mostly had it done for them when a member.What a mess.
And this is where the whole "we don't need no stinking EU regulations" myth falls apart. There are plenty of countries that produce food outside EU regulations and they all have lower overheads and/or existing supply routes. How exactly are UK farmers supposed to break into this 'lucrative' market when they will inevitably cost more than existing suppliers? Or are they supposed to all convert to growing government subsidised bird food?
@@chiccabay9911 I disagree with the canard that the EU-UK TCA is a bad deal ‘because they did not know how to make good deals’
Bit of a long answer but details matter:
1. The whole negotiation team for the EU-UK TCA (the trade deal that came 11 months after the EU-UK Withdrawal Agreement wa signed ) was ideologically driven from the start by Johnson then Frost downwards.
Johnson openly said during the 2016 referendum that he believed ‘we can have our cake and eat it because they need us more than we need them’
Rees-Mogg articulated clearly that in his view (and that of the hardline Brexiter faction in the Tory party who drove Brexit ) there should be no border controls at all, instead the EU must just ‘accept’ that the UK was a developed nation equal to the EU and that its laws & regs would be equivalent to the EU whatever they were and that no signed agreements of mutual equivalence of standards (MEA’s) were needed.
He articulated that from its side the UKG would not impose any inward checks on goods imported from the EU and expected that in turn the EU would not impose border checks on goods exported from the UK to the EU.
Rees-Mogg was disappointed when from Day 1 of the end of transition the EU was ready with full checks having spent several billion building infrastructure and training new staff during transition.
[here it’s important to interpose that Michael Gove was more prosaic saying that inward border checks on goods from the EU would not be imposed initially since it would need a billion pounds of physical infrastructure and 50K (yes 50K) new trained inspectors and there was simply not the cash nor time.
Gove also said that given that 50% of what was manufactured in the UK was made up wholly of, or utilised a significant amount of, components from the EU then to impose inward border controls with lots of costs and delays would paralyse UK manufacturing - much of which product in turn was exported elsewhere.]
But ideology ruled - as Michel Barnier noted in his published diary of the talks, in Dec 2020 the WA was signed and phase two (negotiations for a new trade deal) started and included in this was a plan for a series of MEA’s to implement the Northern Ireland Protocol (eg a UK EU SPS deal was needed).
Mr Barnier expected this to be a matter of literal rubber stamping since having just left the EU all UK laws & regulations were 100% convergent.
But Lord Frost replied to Mr Barnier that the UK government had zero intention of signing MEA’s and instead he demanded the EU must simply accept the UK as an equal sovereign and that there would be no signed MEA’s as these infringed UK sovereignty.
Deluded to put it mildly, but in the end reflected in the trade deal (the EU UK Trade & Cooperation Agreement = TCA) was signed which sets all tariffs at zero but has none of the usual myriads of sectoral MEA’s found in a typical high quality comprehensive FTA between developed nations.
MEA’s essentially are sectoral mini agreements to get round the myriads of sets of standards found in modern trade these sets of standards are called a Non-Tariff- Barriers (NTB’s).
Tariffs are never an issue in modern trade - rather it’s NTB’s,
So the TCA is chock a block full of frictions at border control and as I described in my earlier post on this thread, more and more regulatory divergence will happen over time then at some point the EU Commission will say that the laws and regulations of the UK are now sufficiently different from those of the EU such that no UK certification is acceptable for export of UK goods to the EU = so trade will massively curtailed.
It’s instructive that the EU-UK TCA was not signed by the PM nor ratified in the HoC until the ERG had vetted it to make sure there were no MEA’s such is the ideology childishness of the right wing.
How important were UK goods exports to the EU?
Well according to the HoC Library, 54% of all UK goods exports in 2019 (the last year of the transition period and the last year before covid hit world trade) went to the wider EU/EEA.
Now these exports are declining fast and the trade full of friction that will only get worse as more regulatory divergence happens between the EU and the UK.
Yet we still have Brexiter luminaries say ‘but the EU is punishing us’ by putting up border controls = utter nonsense as the EU treats the UK the same way as any other third party.
Brexiters know this full well and we know they do because while Frost ‘negotiated’ the new EU trade deal it was Liz Truss who as Minister for Trade under Johnson who negotiated a number of urgently needed bilateral trade deals with major nations like Aus & Japan.
What did she do?
She simply took the bilateral trade deals those nations already have with the EU and which the UK used to trade as a member of the EU, and then with the permission of the EU she rolled over the exact terms of those EU deals as the framework of the new UK deal.
Included in the ‘new’ deals were all the terms of the scores of MEA’s the EU has with those nations - such as the SPS agreements!
Since there was an urgency to keep trade running both the UK and the other nation accepted the exact copy of the EU deal as active from Day one but only as a temporary until a new final deal was signed.
It’s here that the lack of clout of the new lone UK showed up and not a matter of lack of expertise.
All those nations such as Australia knew that the UK needed a new trade deal ASAP and so they had the UK over a barrel and so they forced Truss to accept a final deal that was significantly disadvantageous for the UK but as Truss found it was a matter of either take this or have no deal.
Such was the weak status of the UK having burned its bridges with bad faith in the Brexit talks - especially over Northern Ireland.
When the news broke that Frost refused to negotiate and sign the needed MEA’s to get the NIP working his response was to write a belligerent article in the Telegraph saying that “we signed the NIP just to get Brexit done but we never intended to honour it.”
Also in the Telegraph the then chair of the ERG Sir Bernard Jenkin wrote an opinion saying the UK must unilaterally repudiate the NIP and must ‘assume that NI is wholly into the UK’.
Johnson backed this by proposing a new NI Bill.
The world response was ferocious as this totally flew in the face of the constitutional reality of the UK (a union and not a single state) and the fact that under international law since the 1919 Government of Ireland Act (which dealt with the temporary partition of Ireland) and the 1998 GFA which is an international peace deal to end a civil war, and by which NI became a constitutional hybrid as both a part of the UK union and a part of the whole &/indivisible island of Ireland.
This is a a deal authored by and guaranteed by the US, and this special constitutional status is enshrined in international law with the UN Court at The Hague and also written into fundamental EU treaty law. When the DUP challenged the legality of the NIP they lost in the Belfast High Court, then the NI Court of Appeal and then in the UK Constitutional Court all of which ruled that the NIP was legal and that in NI the final authority in constitutional matters is the ECJ. Hence the DUP have resorted to their old stalwarts of boycott and violence. At most Ulster Unionists have support of 25% of all in NI and an ageing demographic at that.
Here was Frost, the ERG and the UK PM blithely saying they will repudiate it all with the DUP cheering on -=as the whole reason they supported Leave was to try and break the GFA and make a permanent border across the island.
NI voted remain in 2016 anyway and so the reality is that the unique constitutional status of NI means that GB can leave the EU totally but not with NI. Hence the need for the NIP which is clunky but works and whereby NI stays in the EU customs union and there is now a customs border across the Irish Sea.
Since 1920 and updated 1998 all born in NI are citizens of both the UK and citizens of the ROI - so de facto we stay in the EU single market as many benefits of the SM apply to individual citizens eg the right to residence right to company directorship. We in NI have kept our EHIC card and we are still in Erasmus Horizon etc by virtue of the ROI.
Anyway as influential trade expert David Henig noted in his Twitter feed, Johnson, Frost and the ERG were firmly told by the civilised world that it’s either implementation of the NIP or total international isolation.
Things remained in limbo for a year as Johnson caught in a lie (he told the DUP they could throw the NIP in the bin) metaphorically hid in a fridge until Sunak took over and overruled the ERG and DUP and got the Windsor Framework signed and relationships with the EU and US began to thaw.
During that ‘limbo’ the economy suffered hugely. Whoever takes the reins in July will have a near impossible challenge of matching expectations vs reality on the ground.
It is very hard work. My father was a gardener then had a market garden. It's work that never ends. The Tories & Brexiters have broken this country into little bits..
You forgot to mention The Labour Leave Group, wonder why?
Why do you bother to mention it?@@jasonkingshott2971
@@jasonkingshott2971 Labour have been forced to take that direction by the majority who voted for Brexit in 2016. What we need is another referendum to reflect the new majority that do not want Brexit since experiencing all the chaos since 2016.
@peterdollins3610 Funnily enough a lot of Brexiteers still haven't learnt their lesson.
@@iq-nj4xg Oh that's a good idea, how about two weekly, monthly or yearly referendums?....clown!
The govt does need to pass laws that if the food comes from abroad, the source is displayed and the food is not repackaged by retailers to say it comes from the UK.
But will consumers care? People say they want to buy local but at the checkout it's a different story...
If that were the case I'd buy imported food because Brexit voting farmers should get what they voted for.
That is already illegal under the Trade Descriptions Act - it’s misrepresentation.
What on earth possessed you to interview him
Suddenly GBN are listening to experts! Part of the brexit campaign was to basically to not do that.
Remain voters pointed this out during the referendum
Only now waking up are we?
That man is an embarrassment to his country and academia 🤦♀️
What makes me Gag over it all is that it is GBN the Reason for Brexit that has the Modern Whatt Tyler on a program, Makes you wonder will history repeat itself,
Bet most of the hypocrites shop cheap and non-UK food!
We grew up growing all our own veg spuds ect and believe me its hard work people in citys haven't a clue😂
"We grew up growing all our own veg spuds ect"
Britain hasn't been self-sufficient in food since the mid 1800's .
Even during WW2 when every scrap of land, public parks etc, was used for growing food, we still had to import lots from America and Canada.
Please consider that many city dwellers don't have a garden Noel.
Liz is more that right, when she says that the UK's agricultural product is vital to the UK's food supply.
People don't realise: that there are autocratic powers, trying to disrupt our European model of life. Brexit has dangerously disrupt the UK's agricultural production; so one can ask, who if any, would benefit from harming the UK's agricultural sector? And there's only one answer to that, it's the same rogue power that's trying to take control of Ukraine. Ukraine is so vital to the world's food supply; that by controlling Ukraine's food production; one can control geopolitics. And the worst being, the common knowledge; that the Tories have their heads stuck-up Putin's arse. And it's those Framers that advocate a return to the EU; that are the UK's true patriots!!
Britain has in many ways copied what Sri Lanka has done and of course Cameron was at the heart of facilitating the new world they now face.
More Brexiteers complaining about the effects of Brexit.
What effects are you referring to?
@@MRW515 I'm not going to state the obvious that you could easily google if you really didn't know. Pretending that raising expensive trade barriers with your biggest trading partner has no effect will not make those effects disappear.
@@lellyparker this video is about supporting farmers, you are part of the problem, wanting to continually import doctors, builders, food etc from elsewhere instead of supporting the people in this country. Listen from 1 min to 1 min 20 seconds.
@@MRW515 *"wanting to continually import doctors, builders, food etc from elsewhere"* - Nothing to do with that. Since Brexit the Tories are importing more people than EVER. Nothing to do with Brexit. I want British doctors, builders, food and whatever to be able to work and live all over Europe. I just want to be part of a larger market rather than a small isolationist bunch of local yokels. I don't want to be putting up expensive barriers between British farmers and their largest customer. What for? There is not one single benefit to Brexit and yet so many douwnsides and here we have an arch Brexiteer crying about the damage Brexit has caused.
@@MRW515 *"this video is about supporting farmers"* - Who are suffering specifically because of Brexit. No other reason.
Thank you for your good work. You have become a very effective campaigner. I'm impressed by what I see and hear.
He is deffinatly 1 of the worst people to talk to about brexit etc...hes out of his mind. Good interview tho
Liz cunninly didn't mention the "B" word, allowing him to agree with her
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What's wrong with him all of a sudden🤔 His whole raison d'etre is magic thinking🙄🙄
It's such a 'first world" problem - "we don't have labourers".
Australia suffers from this, too. Farmers grow food that they can't possibly bring to market unless they can import seasonal workers who get paid a pittance and treated poorly, then told to bugger off until next year.
we cant feed our selves ...... thank you Brexiteers
The ironic thing is that I bet a lot of Brexiteers also can't feed themselves now and probably rely on food banks but still persist in their stubbornness!
We haven't been able to feed ourselves for over a century.
@@b62boom1 I know but there was a place where we used to get very cheap food and plenty of it fresh and clean, and just twenty odd mile away.
Our food security is controlled by the likes of Sainsbury and Tesco, HOW reassuring is that!.😆🙃.....
He as a Brexiteer, and supposedly educated, I would have thought Neil Oliver knew better, but having worked with him I know better. Could you mention a greater failure than Mary Dizzy Lizzy Trussless I couldn't imagine.
Has Oliver just experienced a "penny drop" moment?
I’m from rural Gloucestershire and every and I mean every farmer in a 5 mile radius supported Brexit What did they think would happen when you put up trade barriers with your biggest market??
The same can be said for the fishermen...
Given I live in this areas and know a lot of farmers I know your claim is incorrect.
How many farmers can you get in a 5 mile radius, thats 3200 acres?
@@edwardbernthal160About 15
@@lizwebstersbf A lot of farmers did. We saw in the news.
Even though you and many of the farmers that you know may not have wanted Brexit, what was the reasoning of the ones we saw in the news that did? Short-sightedness? Do you think it's the EU trade barriers that have changed these farmers' minds?
FWIW I support our farmers but also want reasonably priced food.
Could anyone inform the public that we have limited drugs supply in the pharmacy ? Patients must be aware of it .At the moment every week there are more than 10 chemists to be closed in the uk
I started my first steps into growing plants, years ago on a, flats verander, with a growbag, I have managed, to prod my eldest Granddaughter into a garden food supply, basic stuff, But from little acorns, Mighty Oaks do grow, I also have another Granddaughter, that loves to cook, and is trying to build, a small online business, I hope someday, they may join the dots(I will be nudging in the background)and work together, But it is Not Enough, to replace BJ's Eff Up
Nigel did say after brexit we would be able to import cheaper food.and they still voted brexit.
Neil Oliver...gone fully David Ike.
Is that good?
@@keithhutchins8966😂well it’s not for David Ike
@@wcfields547 I'm pleased that you have listened to or read both.
BUT ALL THIS IS F ALL TO DO BREXIT LIKE SHE KEEPS WINING A BOUT.
And I do think that the food not from the UK shoud not be labled as its from the UK
Who need flipping farmers, I get my food from Tesco.
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It does seem the politicians do think that! Hence the mess we are in!
How long will food from anywhere but here be still cheep,
we already have shortages with medicines from abroad.
I look at the Uk 🇬🇧 flag on our food in the supermarket and have no idea if it originally was grown here. Excellent communication on Brexit and these new trade deals as ever
We don't eat the packaging, we eat the product,
and we need to know where that product is coming from.
15 more days left 'til the tories are gone for good!
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Farmers were quick to use previously banned pesticides after brevity. Custodians of our countryside????
Thanks Liz
It doesn’t seem difficult to label food properly, so I don’t know why the UK government doesn’t insist on it. The national flag should only be added to food grown in that country.
Oliver was, and remains, an enthusiastic supporter of brexit. His opinions on UK farming aren’t worth a fig. He should have stuck to ancient history. An utter hypocrite.
'The thought that we could be held ransom for food is frightening 4:08' What a self centric nonsense!
The by far biggest supporter of food for the UK is EUrope and the only reason why EUrope would not supply the UK would be that it is no longer economically worthwhile (prices or too much red tape) or that we need our food for ourselves.
Holding someone ransom is a serious crime, and EUrope does not commit these sort of crimes! Such ideas can only come from someone with a disturbed mindset of ideas, for instance things like 'so bad we do no longer have an empire to feed us...'
It is good that some people are out - and out means out!
Yes and Germany has been the victim of British food blockades. Blockades that were so effective; that they caused famine. However, through history, Germany wasn't the only European country tobe blockaded by the British. Norway suffer a terrible famine, when the British blockaded the export of Danish gain to Norway. Churchill's blockade of grain, to the then imperial India: caused the starvation of some 5 million Indians. Yes, the list is long!!
@@michaelmayo3127 What you are talking about were war situations. Except a tiny group of Brexit supporters who mentally still live in WWI 'them good old days' nobody is thinking about anything like that.
Today, things are much more pragmatical. With just 2 years of droughts or terrible harvests, any responsible government may decide to stop food exports as long as food security for the own population is not secured. Should a weirdo like Mr. Trump become US president and discover protein as a weapon, things could become nasty worldwide very soon.
I think it was one of the directors of the bank of England who used the expression - living of the kindliness of others!
Without a self supply rate of 80-90% the UK will be dependent on EUrope and the willingness of EU truck drivers to deliver to the islands.
@@uweinhamburg War or peace controlling the the supply of food can be used as a weapon!! Look to Putin controlling Ukraine's grain production. Give that freak Putin half the chance and he would starve the planet, just for the fun of it!!
Neil Oliver. London brexit msms favourite 'house Jock '
These trade agreements with Oz etc. are in effect a product of Brexit, which in a way bears out the law of unintended consequences, with action A not necessarily leading to outcome B.
Farmers voted for Brexit. Reap what you sow.
Went to a royal show yesterday to judge cattle…, what a shame we only had 1 in a couple of classes. Brexit is a complete success for me
Brexit may ensure success for a small few but at the expense of the many.
@@lizwebstersbf sorry to say Liz, that is what Brexit is about making the rich richer and kill Britain
It amuses (& enrages) me that your guest Neil Oliver is trying to portray himself as an angel of light whereas he was only too happy to publicly support Leave/Brexit.
Why does it amuse and enrage you? He is as entitled to his opinion as you are to yours.
You are not entitled to how someone else thinks, does, or says ever.
The angel of light? That is your perception only, and quite honestly, basic thinking on your part only.
@@martinhambleton5076 Why you ask does it enrage me you ask? During the 2016 Referendum Neil Oliver who has a high-ish public profile as respected archeologist and historian used his ‘pulpit’ very vocally to support Brexit & to urge people to vote Leave. Even at one point saying that the future of his kids (then teenagers) would be better off outside.
Now a lot of his stance on Brexit comes from him being an ardent Unionist and therefore very much opposed to any viewpoint the SNP support and they were/are supporters of the EU.
Now I find him interviewing Liz on the plight of UK farmers and how the consequences of Brexit is destroying them and yet not mentioning that he publicly pushed for Brexit. He is in short a hypocrite. I might have time for him if he issued (as some have) an apology.
@epincion It's still his opinion.
You are not entitled to anyone else's opinion but your own.
Unless you have been involved in the industry you are speaking about, you will never perfectly understand as only experience is the teacher of fools. Experts are the makers of fools, thus speaking with authority on a subject matter that they have no practical experience of.
A large number of people have become "farming experts" post Brexit and will pontificate on this and that and complimenting other ill-informedmed "experts" on their ridiculous claims and comments.
I was his guest. I’ll always talk to people I don’t agree with.
@@martinhambleton5076you are clutching at straws- yes for sure you can have your own opinion, and he did strongly and publicly back Leave in 2016, but suddenly now in 2024 he heavily criticises those he says have ‘no appreciation’ of what UK farmers have lost due to Brexit. As I said if he was open and said “I stuffed up and apologise and wish that I never pushed Leave” then he has more credibility
How many people still cook proper meals? We've had string beens today potatoes gravy and sausages.I cook.What is left over in the fridge tonight and we eat the rest tomorrow.
Strange she didn't pull up Kneel about his support for brexit. 🤔
No point triggering people who are lost to Brexitism. They need to be woken up slowly, but of course some will never admit Brexit is disastrous.
Farmers wanted Brexit, they voted for Brexit and now they have Brexit. Why are the farmers angry?
Excellent question! I wonder the same! @lizwebstersbf ?
Farmers were already angry before Brexit.
We have been severely compromised before Brexit compared to the rest of Europe. Every government, irrespective of political parties, have allowed it. Hence, Farmers voted for Brexit.
I honestly think that any government doesn't understand farming or its relevance to everyones survival.
Ministers of whatever they represent really have zero experience of what they claim to represent, which results in lacklustre performance.
This has not been the case in other eu countries. Quite the reverse, in fact.
@@martinhambleton5076So what you seem to be saying is that you voted to leave the E.U. because the British government treated farmers badly while other E.U. countries’ governments did not? And somehow that led you to believe that the government which treated you badly would stop doing that if we weren’t in the E.U., which you knew was not the cause of the government’s behaviour, because you had evidence that other E.U. countries weren’t like that? That doesn’t seem terribly logical, to put it politely.
UK farmers were part of the EU common agricultural program. But apparently it was not good enough, so they voted for Brexit to get a better deal. They should be ecstatic
@davidpaterson2309 The eu made decisions that affected agriculture in general. Commodity prices in eu countries were out of kilter, with UK farming massively despite the single market???
This became apparent to me nearly 25 years ago as I am married to an Italian farmers' daughter. Milk, for instance, was double the UK price. Grain was two-thirds more money.
Farmers here were having to not plant 15% of their land (Set-aside) because of "Grain mountains," but we imported Grain from eu Europe?
We had milk production quoters imposed on us but imported milk from eu Europe?
No such restrictions were imposed across the channel?
I was on the phone probably once a month to the NFU asking, "Why are you not highlighting or investigating this?"
Nothing happened.
My explanation in my last post is my own conclusion to historical past events in farming. You're right. It's not logical, but what the hell has been going on isn't either.
Is saying BREXIT on TV forbidden?
Buy a farmer especially a Welsh hill farmer , an Aussie steak or some lamb.
Breaking up international deals with their ink still wet is not going to benefit trust and readiness for another deal.
Getting back into the EU is what many people want. Will the EU countries want the UK back?. Let's face it, the departure wasn't exactly handled with taste and decorum. 😢
I Never Seen a Farmer on a Bike....😃
I have!
Listen to her Mr Oliver and do a a proper monologue this time if you are serious about your support.
Mate I've tried on a couple of occasions and I couldn't bare it.......Oliver has a serious Messiah Complex problem
@@johnwinfield9738 sorry I mistyped my comment. Edited now - added the word ‘her’.
I don't recall one farmer's field sign saying remain or rejoin the EU.
We weren’t offered any.
@@lizwebstersbf A piece of hardboard and a permanent marker or paint. Use imagination or a bit of common sense. Something too many farmers lack.
Brexit Means Brexit😁😁😁
Brexit has not decimated farming. Since we voted to leave farm commodity, prices have been the best they have ever been. Just google it. The evidence is online.
Input prices have soared higher than farmgate prices and BPS withdrawn.
@@lizwebstersbfI'm from a dairy farm. Farmers were making 10p a litre recently. On a million liters that's £100 000 profit. Arable farmers were making similar margins!! It's been crazy how much money that has been made.
Neil Oliver OMG
Another has been fool.
Happy to see British farmers eager to grow Britains' food. But what do they actually want so that they get on with the job?
As I've said many times, I don't like the unsubstantiated slagging off at "substandard imports". The quality of food imported into Britain is absolutely within your own control. Don't import any food which you think is "substandard" (Whatever that actually means ... are Brits so precious about their food??). I'm Australian, just BTW.
But Liz sounds a little like a brexiter - "we want control" - isn't that what Farage said??
You’re speaking to a country where Indian food is now the national cuisine. Haggis anyone?
@@JohnnyinMN Yes plkease.I love Haggis.
UK framer unlike many EU farmer don't control the wholesale side of the business. Arla the multinational food producer is owned mainly, by Swedish and Danish farmers.
So, the supermarket don't dictate the price of Arla's products. Arla is also active in the UK and UK farmers are invited to sign up to Arla's concept,but many UK farmer feel that by signing-up with Arla, they in some way lose their sovereignty. It's this feeling of being a part of a collective, that runs against the grain of their individualism; which is a substantial part of their nation character. They just don't understand, that standing united brings strength.French farmer wouldn't accept in any way of from, what the UK's farmer accept. Liz is no fond friend of Arla of ant other collective for that matter!!
@@michaelmayo3127 That was an interesting comment.
It’s catastrophic Liz but maybe Labour will help in time
They will be under a lot of pressure to act and their MPs are mostly pro rejoin.
Let’s pray for action🙏🏻your channel is one of the best out there!
Even GB news knows it’s a disaster
@@jamiebrewstersmusicalheroe7156 thank you, I am really pleased to hear you enjoy the content!
One of our farmers in our village in Wiltshire voted leave🤦🏼♂️even his sons think it was right. They do a lot with Waitrose. Ah well,better luck next week 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Even if the rules for seasonal workers were relaxed, it wouldn't matter because wages in England are far too low. You think you can still get people for five and six pounds an hour, but those times are over. a polish tomato picker earns here in the netherlands in the greenhouses around eighteen to twenty two euros per hour and an english farmer cannot afford that, cabbage cutters in the fields earn even more around seven and twenty euros per hour
Seasonal workers come to the UK from Indonesia and other far away countries with lower standards of living. There are a couple of hundred just up the road from where I live.
@@Purple_flower09
and how long do you think it will take before they realize that they can earn more in the rest of Europe? From 2025 onwards, the European Union will relax its visa policy for seasonal workers from third countries purely to attract more workers for greenhouse and field work because there are hardly any people available for that in the EU. I can see it coming that English people will come here to work. There are already many masons from England who work in Poland and Hungary purely for the wages
Well, what do you expect when agricultural policy is set by bankers, corporate lawyers and absentee landlords? NZ was set up as a farm to feed meat back to ‘home’, but of course that comes with a big carbon footprint. Unfortunately it seems speculative land ‘development’ is so much more profitable than growing food. Perhaps you need to reevaluate the country’s priorities
Putin's primary targets; food production and energy. Control Ukraine and you control the world's food supply.
.....and farming in England is not as vocal because all the environmental schemes are optional. They are not being forced into anything they don't want to do.
To ensure their businesses survive they have to go into schemes.
@@lizwebstersbfAlot aren't Liz. They've opted not too.
@@lizwebstersbfWhat is Intresting, though, welsh farmers are being forced into the schemes. They have a different policy to England.
@@jim-es8qk the fact remains that growing food is now riskier than ever.
Which is why more maize is being grown for AD plants.
@@lizwebstersbf Yes, because AD plants pay good money. It is classified as renewable energy, too. From a farmers perspective its a good alternative market.
I find it disturbing that we can be lied to about domestic products. I am fine with EU stuff as I know that standards around Europe are generally high, and farmers are treated a lot better than most of the rest of the world. Looks like I will soley be getting my meat from butchers now.
The reason people dont appreciate it is because it's not that important, evidenced by the fact that they arent feeling much pain from loosing British farming. Food supply chains are internationalised and now for example i can get certain meat cheaper from NZ and Oz than Britain.
Yes cost of living is an issue but a causal relationship with British farming being hit and prices rising is tenuous at best.
The best case you've got is food theoretical security, instead of crying about how important you are.
If British Farmers are Working Seven Days a Week.
This in Part Explains the Lack of Progress with Food and Food Methods.
Fair Point, Don't Trade Purely for the Sake of Trade.
As to Scotland what a Wonderous Place Scotland Could be, Same is True for Wales and Ireland.
Apples are in a Bit of Strife, but Mostly for the Right Reasons.
Whilst Apples are Unlikely to Completely Disappear, Apples are being Beaten by Other Farm Fruits. This is OK.
Ireland already is a wondrous place. That happened after achieving independence from England…
@@Driver2616
If Ireland wanted Independence, Why did it then Join the European Union ?.
@@chrisgriffiths2533 : but Ireland is independent. It made an independent choice to participate in a partnership with other like-minded independent nations in order to boost economic and political and social standards. And guess what, that is exactly what has happened.
Ireland is now a wonderful place totally independent and flourishing no end.
@@Driver2616
The Irish are European's.
Before that They were American's.
Now the Irish are More Split then Ever, Some are Europeans Some are Americans.
Ireland is One of the Least Independent Nations on Earth and Will Not be a Wonderful Place Until it Values it's People and Governs Itself Very Well.
@@chrisgriffiths2533 : what on earth are you prattling on about?
gbn promotes joining the EU!
Omg loony man
Wtf weres the outrage their protesting . What happens if i need an ambulance blah blah blah. Sorry i forgot we like these protesters
I remember Neil Oliver when he was a half decent archaeologist ... he should have kept the day job.
Everything in little blighty is for sale, name something that's still UK owned?
Why not do a video on how the supermarkets are the real reason british farming is a subsidised sh#tshow
How can GBNews be sympathetic given their ludicrous Brexit stance? Can anyone explain?
That's what you have been proposing for the last ten years.
Free trade with who ?
And no/never personal responsibility for you or your advocacy.
Grift.
I bet the vast majority of farmers voted for Brexit, so reap what you have sown - probably literally.
Well that is what I thought too but @lizwebstersbf claims that she and many other farmers didn't want Brexit.
Please try to understand the history before going on a rant.
@@martinhambleton5076 So you think I'm wrong? Most farmers are more than likely Tory supporters. A number have been Tory MPs.
The really big farmers voted for Brexit, not all farmers, and farmers are certainly not all Tories. You should try speaking to some. You'd starve without them.
@jjsmallpiece9234 It really doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong. As I said, know your history. Everyone has become a farming and farmer expert since Brexit. In reality, I would doubt if some have even been on a farm or even spoken to a farmer.
Farming and farmer numbers have been in decline since joining the eu. Statistically, it is a fact that anyone can check.
Brexit was not a labour or conservative issue. You had both leave and remain in both camps.
Know the history. History is the key.
Past performance governs future outlook.
What brexit it never happened except in name!!
Brexit had destroyed British farming and business.
@@lizwebstersbf the pathetic tories did that! Brino is not the same as what should have been done!!
@@peterwright997well thank phuc they "screwed up " as you put it, christ alone knows how bad it'd be if they'd gone for YOUR type of brexshit 😂
I bet you are flat earth vaxxed loony 😆 🤣
You voted to leave the EU and you left the EU. We in the EU just laugh in your dumb English faces 🤣
The Common Agricultural Policy was designed to ensure French farmers received the prices they wanted for their produce, no matter how much the French produced. It keeps food prices artificially high, and take up a third of the EU's budget. It still produces more food than is needed, and dumps that over production into Africa along with such things as artificial milk. This dumping causes small independent African farmers many financial problems, putting some out of business.
The CAP has no control on prices. It also ensured British farmers could afford to produce food, now we are being forced to eat low standard imports.
@@lizwebstersbf
CAP guaranteed price system ensures food prices are kept artificially high, that's the control it has on prices. It also paid farmers NOT to produce food, as in set- aside.
@@trytellingthetruth.2068 world markets control prices and when we were in the CAP we had the cheapest food and highest quality in the developed world.
@@lizwebstersbf
If world markets control prices, what's the point of having a CAP, if not to guarantee prices to farmers?
@@lizwebstersbf
I noticed you haven't mentioned the dumping of artificial milk into Africa by the EU.
We never could feed ourselves. The post-war solution was that the Empire, then The Commonwealth made up the shortfall at low cost and high quality. When we joined the EEC part of the deal was all those deals had to be torn up. Bad for our Commonwealth friends and bad for us. Good for the EEC though as they took control of our food via the French designed CAP and our fish via the CFP.
Fortunately we are now putting this right.
The EU is not a friend of ours. Fortunately the Anglosphere very much is.
Please do not align yourself with this conspiracy theorist. You are doing a great job.
If you are interviewed by someone you’re not aligning with them, you’re giving his audience some facts to consider.
@@lizwebstersbf good point and well taken. However, to confront the crazies is to give them an unwanted platform. Love Neil Oliver’s presentation on Coast, fabulous presenter, but he doesn’t speak for me now
You were never peddled a lie. Your arrogance and self-importance blinded you to the facts. England’s farming is inevitably doomed.
We want uk back
Neil Oliver is another loathsome Brexit grifter.
Vote scotland indipendence
But only if you can spell it and use upper case letters correctly.
Beef prices are good. Infact they are brilliant. Stop moaning, liz!
Prices have not kept up with input prices. And now more cheaper imports coming in from Australia New Zealand and South America prices will be under stress.
Vote rejoin EU
Liz is talking nonsense its the EU that is trying to stop farming.
You're not a member of the EU.
@@ralphmacchiato3761well, according to his line of thought we haven't done brexshit properly, so we apparently haven't left🙄
Yeah "the EU is trying to stop farming" 🤣. And you and your ilk wonder why everyone in Europe laughs at England and the more ons that are on it. 🤣