Can You Draw Your Concealed Weapon When It Counts?
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@9:40 that two hand weapon retention was pretty good. It looks like that could be your next video! It looks like his left knee keeps you from rotating to turn into him. It's thing like that people don't see or practice.
Have you thought about the necessity of carrying multiples? Refer to Clint Smith "one is none and two is one". I would also suggest blades as a defensive tool as a means to remove any obstacles preventing accessibility when you have close encounters. Fixed blades as an absolute standard. I don't know where you're at, but yes fixed blades are legal in my area. Some ideas to keep in mind, if you haven't thought of them yet.
Additionally, empty handed skills are fantastic to have as well. Every tool is simply an answer to a question and every question needs an answer.
@@jasonadams8549 The Clinch pick from Shiv Works is meant for that exact thing. It's supposed to be a knife you can get out when you can't get anything else out.
Like if you're pinned to the ground, or you're being shoved up against a wall, or you're in your car, and someone is in the passenger seat shoving you into the D pillar.
Getting a clinch pick out is either going to make them get off of you, and give you enough space to get a firearm out, or, they're going to get filleted. You can;t really take a clinch pick away from someone without getting cut real bad.
You are working with big guys, big guys dont have anywhere near as many threats to assess. When there is a threat for a big guy, it is usually full on red cuz whoever it is just pulled an equaliser out of their trunk. Get some average sized guys.
Start doing a series where you compare self defense tools, something like machete vs hammer
Duh.. just draw your piece when you hear the scary music!
Damn...
😂
hahahahahahaahahaa
Never carry just a piece of the firearm sir. Always carry the entire gun machine!
go into VATS and shoot while time slows.
Mike: "You've got a 50/50 chance of failing at self defense or succeeding at murder."
Narrator: They hated him, because he spoke the truth.
@Christy Guichard you're just making shit up lol, no one is calling people nazis for shooting actual muggers in a struggle, typical shit to just make up a scenario and get mad about it
My legs are my concealed weapons, but only when I wear pants
thank you sensei seth very cool
Are they registered as lethal weapons though?
@@StormBringare of course, I’m a law abiding citizen
@@SenseiSeth
And my farts are deadly, between you, me and Bruce Lee we almost have an entire lethal human.
Running away is the 2º best self defense move.
"I would *just* do this thing!"
Ah yes, Just-Jutsu, the most popular form of Bullshido.
I'm a dectuple stripe 15th degree super kami guru dragon black belt in Just jutsu.
If it was easy to win a fight with just one "thing" everyone could do it and win the fight
@Ike but no Mike It's not about whether or not the person who attacks you is trained but even if you assume that most males in America have played football or done wrestling which means 8 times out of ten they will tackle you pretty effective or sucker punch you if you watch world star you see it happen all the time and like Mike says everyone has a plan till they are punched. So to say oh I'm going to do (insert b.s. here) is not practical unless you train and even then it is a hard task you still need to be able to fight. This also excludes legal ramifications and legal issues that may be presented after the fact.
@@MrKeepnit100 Super kami guru... TFS?
@@Murcielag0scuro I see you also are one of culture
What I like about this channel is that the self defense tips are leavened with a helping of common sense and sarcasm.
"Any time you put a 'just' in there, you're full of crap."
Mike, it astounds me how much you say which is simply perfect. This is why I am here.
I'm sorry, clearly Mike is ignoring how I could just use my magical powers of flight to escape
That is my take-away from this video.
yeah, it’s j… it’s ju- it’s perfect
Yes "I would just shoot them" is my second favorite line. Only topped by "I would just kick em in the nutz" We all know that attackers come up bow politely then stand bow legged and say "excuse me good citizen I am your attacker would you like to defend before I rob you"
Let us play a game of chess for your wallet
That and maze, stabbing etc. does not work in every instance but shooting worked for George Zimmerman even though he was on the ground and being pummeled. It's not bad to know some unarmed self-defense just like it's not bad to take a first aid course but not every person needs to be a doctor and it's obnoxious to ridicule them for it. Most people would rather be mugged, raped and even killed than spend ten years rolling on a fungus ridden mat so they would be considered effective by some guy who plays on people's fears to make money.
"Just kick him in the knee."
I actually used to say that when I was a kid. Then, I wasn't a kid and stopped.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
Zimmerman actually did have some MMA training, so it probably helped him access to his weapon.
And the mats at gyms and dojos are cleaned and disinfected. Shouldn't be fungus riddled unless the place sucks.
The fear mongering for profit applies to everything though, guns too.
People saying "I would just shoot him" are often mocking the idea of training martial arts, so I'm not really mad at returning the sentiment tbh. People oversimplify way too much stuff these days, and not in just self defense.
You forgot the famed "I would just kick them in the knee "
I like how you respect the size and skills of your students. A lot of teachers have that tough-guy mentality with big guys, even though everyone in the room knows what happens if they go all out.
Not good instructors
‘Well, because you’re in my personal space and you just-‘
And now I'm dead lol
Mike: is being smothered by wrestler
Also mike: "I would just shoot him"
Sounds about right for the comments lol
It says a lot about Nate's character that he didn't even know how to PRETEND to be a bad guy walking up to you
I can't say the same lol...
I only wear thai shorts and a gi top on a date
Gi top with a bow tie for weddings.
Every fight in this was amusing and entertaining, and then each time I remembered I was actually watching my hypothetical self getting my shit absolutely kicked in
Yeah its fun until you think what we are simulating lol
100% I'm Mike's height.
I'm laughing until I think, holy crap that's what I would look like but worse because I don't make my living by train LOL, so I'm extra screwed .
Makes you respect big dudes more , the sheer strength they have to go ape shit and smash is nuts
Lmaooo! When Nate had you on the ground and you were saying “I would just shoot him” I was dying.
"I'm here to assault you!"
"No thanks, already had rough day."
Takes me a few moments and a lot of screaming to charge up my chi blasts. Best course of action is to have a climactic battle (maybe get beaten up a bit so you have an underdog finish) and then launch your kamehameha as a finishing blow.
Don’t forget to double tap.
Just casually screams for 5 min
Thats why you need b level characters to be cannon fodder while you power up. Perhaps a friend no one really likes?
Weapon retention or force on force classes will open eyes to those "I'll just shoot'em."
6:10
I love how Mike's idea of motivation for his students to tackle him is to slap them in the face.
He started to back off and i had to slap him again to get him to go when we were on the ground too lol
Never even thought of that initial point. By the time you have a justifiable reason to use force, you're already going to be fighting to get to your weapon
Great video and visualisation as always
Just shoot before they try or stay far away
murder is better then trouble
@@gamersforlife3440 How about neither? You can't just shoot everyone you think might threaten you
@@isaweesaw Lol if someone coming at me or trying to provoke me will aim gun and if he do something i will shoot if u wont u are an idiot bro :)
@@isaweesaw Its ok i can understand maybe ur country is different law wise but for me i would shoot i wont let them take advantage of me.I know how to defend myself and read behavioural patterns.
A lot of gun owners need to watch this. I know I'm not good at fighting so when I carry I focus all of my energy on avoiding conflict and being aware of my surroundings. Also started carrying pepper spray because you don't always have to shoot someone.
You would also have to consider if the other person notices the weapon on your body they will probably also try to take it from you, like in some extended wrestling
Very informative.
Might I add one thing..
If your attacker had a knife, I think that would change everything. I personally know it would. And most knife attacks happen with out warning making it very unlikely you will get your firearm out. I know the police here have a 20 foot rule. Any closer and they wouldn't be able to draw and shoot before the person is on them. Great video. Good info. Keep up the great content
in this scenario, you will get cut anyway, but how severely, depends on your training. For police, security and others who are likely to be stabbed due to their occupation, the reasonable solution to improve the chance of survival would be stab proof/resistant armor.
The 21' "rule" was never intended as a rule. It started from some testing that was done and they found it was the minimum distance that an officer could reliably draw and get at least one shot off if charged by someone they are watching. That means you are almost certainly getting cut or stabbed at that distance unless you also move or get an immediately incapacitating hit, think central nervous system only. That's assuming you are completely focused on your attacker, carrying open and have a respectable draw to first shot time too. Pistols suck at stopping people quickly so you better be a really good shot or plan to move as it's happening.
@@chrisjones6002 But it also doesn't account for the fact that you're not likely to run into people stupid enough to keep charging through bullets.
Nearly all people will fuck off when they see a gun, unless you are particularly special.
@@totalmetaljacket789 a rational person would stop of course but many violent people aren't rational. Did you see the videos of the guys charging police with knives lately? I remember seeing two separate incidents where the cops had to shoot them.
Also people who are worked up won't necessarily know they've been shot or even react to it before getting to you.
@@chrisjones6002 I'm not a cop, and most violent people are rational enough to avoid death.
This isn't a made up opinion. I've seen my fair share of self defense shootings in my time on the internet, and most run.
9:13
cliff was like "chill out bro it's just a wallet"
The most emotion we’ve ever seen cliff show next we see a big smile
For real, impeded malfunction clearance is one of those things most people never even think of, so huge props, Mike. Tap-rack-bang plus a few extra steps is a lot harder to do right. Learn to use your kit, ffs.
Yes, I can, I'm very good at drawing. And I always carry some paper, so I can have something to draw on.
What does this even mean lol?
@@scottratliff9776 Just a joke.
I thought it was funny
Wild western artist
I`m trying to convince some of the BJJ crew to try this with me. Most of us carry and I feel like this type of training often gets neglected.
As the old saying goes, dont put all your eggs into one basket.
A serious question though, if you were to flip the scenario and say you tackled someone because youre scared they may have a gun, would it look like this grappling/wrestling kind of scenario? If so how would you further develop it to have a higher success rate of disarming the guy?
Get a training gun and wrestle over it with a friend. That's what it looks like.
Don’t tackle people with guns. Case in point, Kyle Rittenhouse.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 tell that to the bad guy in this video demonstration 😂
@@perrenchan6600 You’re forgetting that most of them got shot 😂
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 they got shot either way, it's almost as if it's bad to attack people 🤔😂
Thanks Mike and company!
This is hands down my favorite Hard2Hurt video.
I want an "I would just shoot him" t-shirt with you trapped under Nate.
Another really well thought out video. You are one of the best guys on YT because you actually give a counter argument to all the shit mall ninjas talk about. Lots of people out there act like everything is easier than it sounds and that there are short cuts for training. You always demonstrate the contrary.
Kinda reminds me of that time when Shane from fightTips talked about his home self-defense class where they simulated an attacker in your bedroom and you had to draw your pistol from the nightstand. Shane was the only one who successfully fended off the attacker & got a shot off because he was the only one who focused on using unarmed fighting/jiujitsu to subdue the attacker first. Everyone else tried to reach for the pistol first and got into a wrestling match over it (which they lost).
You: Just woke up in surprise from a dead sleep.
Intruder: Just spent 10 minutes psyching himself up to fuck somebody up if he has to.
Who's going to win the first 30 seconds of that wrestling match?... You probably don't want that 30 seconds to be wrestling over a gun.
@@JCPRuckus Well I'd hope I wouldn't be waking up when they get to my bedroom door... All the other noise beforehand would probably be good enough.
@@totalmetaljacket789 - Yeah, but that's not the scenario OP was talking about. So that's not the point I was making.
7:23 that would make a great movie line after a realistic tussle / grappling fight for a gun.
"I'd rather be judged by 12, than be carried by 6 guys"
damn!
First video I saw of yours and can’t wait to see more
Saw a video a while ago on a similar situation... What if your instinct is to fall on your back as you draw your weapon? Increase the distance immediately. You do open yourself to smacking your head on something but you might get the shot off.
Best weapon self defense video on the web! I'm a officer and sometimes I feel like no one on Earth has a clue until watch these videos. Thanks bro!
This is one of the most important videos you have made. Well done.
" just stand up! " is also another of my favourite comments from the sidelines
while watching someone get crushed from top pressure by a grappler/wrestler
You need to have Craig Douglas on his ECQC course is something you need to experience.
Hey I just found your channel and I'm such a big fan already, your vids remind me of shooting the shit with my crossfit or bjj coaches before class, I really miss training these days and these videos keep me thinking about technique, i really appreciate it
Are you doing something at least? calisthenics? conditioning? solo drills?
Great video Mike!! The content and the production was both really good.
This one reminds me of Craig Douglas’s ECQC stuff. Are you familiar with that?
I literally just commented that when I saw the first minute I thought of Craig lol
Agreed.
Good stuff.
The one with John and the UFC fighter is really good.
I put the Clinchpick video in another comment on here about car weapons.
Probably the best on-person carry defense tool I’ve seen.
Oof. I'm getting sweaty just remembering that course. That one left me bruised for a bit.
Gotta say the part at 3:24 was super informative.
Underhook then across the back to pin the arm to prevent punches, but set up with the free hand attaining wrist control and pushing it to position.
Head position plus arm hold takedown.
Then at 3:42 punch the head get them to grab your wrists and guide that away from their body opening up a knee slide across the bicep, to NS.
Solid. I'll try that next time I roll.
Great video. I know many fat guys who have this mentality.
lol this dude likes to learn... he's looking at the video behind the video
@@hard2hurt Thanks mate, love your videos, wish I could train with y'all but I'm over in VA. I'm just trying to be a sponge so I can be better than yesterday.
When someone says "I would just shoot him," what I hear is someone waiting for an excuse - real or imagined - to pull a gun on another person.
Thank you for talking about this
Remember, and I do not mean this in an aggravating way, I want to remind you that semi autos with vasculating barrels are very unreliable when you push them into someone. I say this because you're seen a couple of times stabbing the guy with the barrell. And in a striker fired gun like a glock if you fuck that up the gun becomes useless.
Take care nice video
You mean like i said would happen in the video lol?
@@hard2hurt I just noticed you saying it, it wasnt clear enough for me just because I don't speak good english and had to replay a few times, my bad. In that case well done man, love your channel keep it up.
This is why weapon lights are awesome. Get a tlr-1 on a g19 or something and it's a built in stand off. But best practice would be to try and hold it back. Craig Douglas has awesome videos on that
I think this is one of your best videos. Nice work guys!
I have that same holster. Love it! Ronin 3-L for M&P 2.0C. Great video guys, keep up the good work!
This is essentially what i always say, if someone hasn't tried to lay hands in you, you aren't drawing a deadly weapon, and if they have, a gun isn't going to save you if you can't already fight.
Good demo. Thank you.
Great vid mate, people always seem to forget about the practicalities of where you place your self defence tools, if you can't get it out and ready to go when someones got you pinned you fkd up big time, as a rule I always leave the house with a knife or two (two is one one is none) sometimes three depending on time of day/night and where I'm heading one is purposed for self defence the other two are multifunctional for general purposes, always put in the same spots and all easy to get to if I ever need one of them, would rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it especially in today's world
If aikido guys are messing with you just go for the body!
Or anything, I mean I’m pretty sure aikido training is worse than no training
"I don't know how to walk up to you and just tackle somebody." *(receives a slap of encouragement)*
Nate is such a sweet boy.
Great video Mike!
It's not just about avoiding harm to yourself it's also about responding with aggression to a threat. That's a big part of self defense psychology/culture
I’m new to the channel, I’m enjoying your directness
Excellent teaching!
Wow DOPE VIDEO!!! Thx for the info.👍
This was interesting and very informative. Another thing in addition to people being nice, is that it's probably a little legally dubious to go for a gun in the middle of a one on one fist fight where you're still standing and contact has just been made.
I noticed that the time you where able to draw your weapon note safely was when you where able to creat distance.
Great vid, some concepts you just gotta physically show.
Another thing that goes against the "I'd just shoot him" argument: The shots you got off on the ground where from really awkward angles with your wrist, with the gun near your own head. I would NOT have the balls to shoot like that.
Wish we had someone local like this cus this is worthwhile practical self defense training I would sign up for
Love that north/south setup
Great self defense training module.
3:54. Dude, that pinky-fire was slick. You've practiced that before a lot. Nobody snaps into pinky-firing that quick.
A few thoughts about this. First, if you escalate from ordinary force to deadly force against an unarmed person, depending where you live, you will probably end up locked up. Second, if it does warrant a deadly response, you don't have to play by the rules. Bite em, poke them in the eye, hit them in the throat. Do what you need to break free.
"Limp-wrist test your guns with ammo," I heard Mike say. Awesome stuff!
LOVE THIS STUFF!!! Your thought process in real situations is spot on, in my on idiot opinion. Maybe it's time to up the ante with the pepperball gun and rubber balls?? You guys are as nuts as I am, I think it would be a great upgrade
Lol! Think this is my favorite H2H videos this far. Funny and informative. Classic!
GREAT points here!!!
This is why I think carrying OC spray is MORE important than a firearm.
You can deploy OC spray just because someone is acting aggressively*; to deploy a firearm you must have a reasonable fear of grave bodily injury or death. Hopefully by using OC early on in a confrontation, you’ll never need to draw the firearm, and you’ll have a much much easier time dealing with any legal repercussions.
If you make a misjudgement, the penalty for misuse of OC is gonna be a hell of a lot lighter than the penalty for even just drawing a firearm when it was not justified. The optics are much better too: many criminals carry and use guns, but almost none of them bother with pepper spray (at least not here in the USA afaik).
All this is why I think that ANYONE who carries a firearm NEEDS to carry OC spray as well.
(*) please note I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice. Check your local laws for when exactly it is or isn’t okay to use OC.
"Malfunctions" DING DING DING DING DING
This right here. Having been in my share of fights i recognize that EVERY fight goes to grappling at some point and a firearm that needs to reciprocate in that space will probably end up out of battery.
I carry a .38 revolver as my backup gun for this reason. Still have to be conscious of the blast from the forcing cone if you carry a .357 and i dont like holes in me if i can avoid it.
Training with a dummy gun like this is INVALUABLE for carriers but rarely practiced. Thank you Icy Mike.
Excellent video! This really shows the need to train at all levels. Would love to see you add a knife into the mix as a additional option.
Love this video!
This is one of the most important videos y'all have done. People really need to think about this stuff.
3:46 he was in the perfect condition to do an oil check
Nice job using your knee/shin to break the grips off your wrist. Works great in alot of situations.
That's exactly what I've been saying in some gun channel, thanks for bringing this subject up...
Plus I usually keep my knife on the opposite side of my hip incase of such encounter...
I love how mike is always on the edge of murder when teaching self defense but you gotta do what you gotta do
That holster looks amazing!! Have you ever tested a Raw Dog Tactical Holster? You will not be disappointed. It’s so comfortable, you don’t know you are wearing it and it’s very hard for someone else to disarm you, when under attack, but easy for you quick draw. They make IWB and OWB holsters with adjustable retention that fit like a glove. I love your videos and that you test different equipment in real-life scenarios and show how to confront various threats. Keep up the great work!!
Love LAS concealment. They're one of the few holster manufacturers that support Olight and they make great, high quality products. I've rocked a Saya for two years straight - love it!
Since carrying is not thinkable here in Germany I am more interested in your Adidas Sneakers :) what model are those?
Are you at least allowed to have pepper spray ?
@Oliver So, all a criminal has to do is bring a friend ?
@Oliver Then explain, please.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y You will not need it , because in Germany nobody "just" (lol) gets assaulted ;-)
@@bombastikderteutone6858 I remember a firefighter getting assaulted by some drunk teens and dying, a few months ago.
That is why I love my Ka Bar TDI. You can draw it so quickly and easily. It can buy you time to pull your gun. If you carry a gun, you should carry a short fixed blade knife like a Cold Steel Push Dagger or Ka Bar TDI.
Craig Douglas of Shivworks is an expert of how to draw your gun when you're entangled with an attacker. It's pretty much use wrestling to get behind your attacker then draw your gun and fire. If you can't, use a knife that's carried opposite of your gun, and draw that and stab your assailant until they back off so you can draw your gun. Check him out, he has some good stuff.
6:22 "I would just shoot him" while Mike was currently in the process of being converted into a bowling ball. 11/10
Great stuff! If I wasnt on the other side of the globe, Id seek you out for training, and fun!
All those shots into the air reminds me of the song "cow patti". "Patti and the killer missed eachother but they shot that town to hell"
And this is why I carry I knife for lethal self-defense instead of a gun , I know they're not the best but they work
Actually, statistically speaking, a knife is one of the most effective weapons. They're quick and can do a decent amount of damage with basically no training.
@@huntsclan001 yeah I know the statistics, and the range of an attack is what has me carrying a knife
what statistics are you guys talking about lol
@@hard2hurt i heard them from funker tactical but I don't know the actual source, but knife attacks have high serviceability
The speed, ability to close distance quickly, and surprise are what make knives so “effective”.
But that is thinking of it mostly from an offensive perspective, or a defensive one where it’s in your hand already and you have a “green light” that this person is someone you need to deal with.
Having them tucked in places in your home is cool.. indoor range I’d take a long blade over almost anything.
Anyone in your home is a threat.. but outside that they become less ideal.
Problem with knife as personal carry in public is none of the big advantages of a knife benefit you. You still face speed of deployment/target recognition problem.. it’s got legal issues in that it’s too severely wounding/lethal for many situations. Requires commitment and getting in it to use effectively (but as you said, not tons of skill).
Your editing and punchline delivery is A1. 😂😂
I love seeing videos like this. Too many people won't carry because they train in martial arts, and too many people don't train in martial arts because they carry a gun. And most of the people in those groups just don't train enough lol. Keep up the realistic videos!
I would love to take a seminar on this. I personally don't carry but I think it would be a great learning experience.
To be controversial, I’ve heard revolvers work better in a tussle because they are less likely to have issues like a semi auto, like jamming into someone and pulling the trigger won’t hang it up
That's not controversial. That's just true.
The cylinder can be jammed up from the sides though. But it definitely wont fail to eject because it doesnt eject in the first place lol.
Also having a weapon light that slightly protrudes past the barrel and slide makes it easier to push the weapon into something without taking it out of battery. This is why I have a tlr1hl on my g19 instead of a flush fitting light.
@@hard2hurt this is why I love your channel!
You’ll know when to draw before the attacker comes at you cause the epic boss battle music will start playing
you should try to add eye rakes or eye pokes in these situational exercises that is a weapon more reliable than one that is tucked away. Musashi wrote" when you sacrifice your life, you must make fullest use of your weaponry"
This video plus the taser video are so eye opening. As important to the martial arts/ self-defense community as 'MMA vs Aikido'.
Great last line
One of my favorite drills during a BJJ class was when we would wrestle for a gun. One person would put a plastic gun in their belt and as soon as their partner would reach for the gun it was on. If you could get to your back and use your legs to make space that would usually give you enough room to draw and fire.
Another thing that is really scary about this is that most of those "shots" wouldn't even have gone off because when a glock (or any tilting lock semi-auto's for that matter) is barrel stuffed into someone like that, the gun isnt in battery and wont go bang when you want it to. Actually one of the few big advantages of revolvers is this scenario.
Aaaand this is why...revolvers. Hard to accidentally take out of battery, will fire with muzzle against an 'object', and provide a one pound bludgeon when empty. During most of your examples, your pistol would not have fired more than once, if that, due to muzzle contact, slide impingement, accidental press of mag release, partial grip ('limp wrist'), etc.
Not to mention that contact shots have a tendency to cause malfunctions like a mofo. Because either the slide gets pushed out of battery or clothing gets grabbed by the slide after the first shot. Also a handgun has very little chance to cause instant incapacitation, especially in a high adrenaline situation. If homeboy had a knife you would be in serious trouble once he gets in close like that. Empty handed skills are very important. The one who walks away from encounters like that is usually the one most proficient with violence.
I mean... we did mention it sooo...