Great video! Almost makes me wish I would have ordered a Deus instead of the Manticore due to the iron falsing. Thanks for taking the time to record this. Very useful information.
Excellent video guys, I enjoy watching people who know what they are doing and really show what the machines do. Thank you for the hard work. Nice finds also.
As others have said, we all need to hear the sounds loud on both machines, as I own a D2 so always nice to try and guess before you dig it, please can you do this on next video and also be nice to show close up of the painting on manticore screen as that what most people want to see how well it separates two close targets and what ID as in elongated nails or round coin shape so see in real world virgin targets, I owed the Nox 800 and loved the machine but found it gave iron sounds on deep targets and when I dug them turned out to be good targets but still really like the machine, lots of people are experiencing the same problem with the new manticore so hoping it can find a work around or an update, ps love your commentary over the top of the video and thanks for sharing 🥳🥳🥳
Doing Yeoman's work. TY! I've had the Nox 800 for 3 years and used it exclusively for parks, schools, and ball fields digging 971 silver coins up here in Western NY. I fully understand the falsing on deep iron and really didn't expect the Manticore to solve that. My hope for it is extra depth and a little more separation. I did not preorder so will wait until it retails at dealers. Again, thank you for the comparison videos. It really helps all of us diggers :)
Love the comparison videos. Two great machines. I'm partial to the XP machine myself. It's a tone thing for me. Looking forward to seeing what they have for us on the next XP update.
I've been waiting on Manticore comparisons with the D2 before I pull the trigger. I have the cash set aside, but wasn't sure which one to get. The more videos like this I watch, the more I'm leaning towards the Deus 2. For now, my Equinox 800 is serving me well, but in my iron infested sites, I think the Deus would do even better... especially when the new update comes out.
@@TexasTimelapse i had the Nox 800 sold it for the D2. Honestly no regrets mostly for me it was the tones of the Nox that drove me crazy. I haven't regretted buying my D2. It's amazingly light. What ever machine you buy I wish you the best of luck with it. I just enjoy the hobby.
The 800 is a great machine but the Deus II is outstanding. Gave my 800 and T2 SE to a good friend for him and his kids. I've been going back to old sites with the D2 and killing it. My buddy didn't care for it at first until I made some recommendations and now he loves it. Gotta learn the D2 to appreciate its capabilities.
thanks for the video just watching as been looing at getting the 13 coil for my d2 as im on the 9" and recently ive been having amazing sucess with the deep hc program with a slight custom setup and im now inlove with teh machine so think im going to invest in the 13 coil also this video is cool as lots of people saying the d2 aint good etc and then they are sellign the d2 and buying a manticore etc but yet you have proved the deus 2 is as good if not better than the current software on teh manticore
We definitely have more comparing to do but right now the only issue seems to be deep iron because we could hear each other's good deep targets without a problem
that place is literally the proving grounds for any new machine. the place been hit for 50 years and the coins are extremely deep, the days when we used to find 40 indians each a day and bunch of seated are over only the deep remains. very few obvious signals are left. defiantly a good video when my core arrives that's the first place i'm heading
ive been using deep hc fir the last few days and itst he only program im feeling super confident with i also have am ono progrom setup so if its an iffy signal i flick to mono and check it with that and it kind of cherry picks
Xp have done an amazing job with the factory programs. Minelab have always made great detectors for screen hunters. Both look fantastic with cutting edge tech. I personally own the xp. I'd love to have your ground. I pretty much need a jack hammer deeper than two inches. Cheers from Australia.
You didn't show it, but I hope your buddy rechecked his holes when he dug iron. I can't tell you how many times I've dug a nail, rechecked the hole and had a partially masked non ferrous in the hole with my 800.
gday from oz,still waiting for the manticore and theres small alarm bells starting to sound in my head,cannot see the iron problem making a difference in the water,as its useually big iron or none if it can,t see that then it will be on ebay......
No doubt if one is considering either of these machines this would be the team to show a fair comparison! Thank You!! Come on spring and warmer water..!!
@@dansteffee9759 Be interesting to see how all goes once they hit the water, and so far your right. My 25 year old dinosaur still holds it own in the water. Seeing both the D2 and Manticore seem equal, I don't see me changing.
@@dansteffee9759 From what I've seen the Nexus Standard MP V3 would compete head to head with these machines. One of the drawbacks is it's not waterproof. Nexus Standard MP V3 Small Silver Six Pence 'Raised Iron Nail Demonstration' Paul Warren - Metal Detecting czcams.com/video/Jv9YtJXJ0zc/video.html Nexus Standard MP V3 Discrimination Demo Using 12' Inch Dual Coil Paul Warren - Metal Detecting czcams.com/video/LtBt88p9sho/video.html
Hello, it is called the Uniprobe. It is a set of Gray Ghost headphones with a pulse induction probe built into them. You can read more about it at detectorpro.com Thanks
The pinpointer is called the Uniprope which is a wireless Gray Ghost set of headphones with a pulse induction probe built into them. You can read about them at detectorpro.com Thanks
It's going to be interesting to see a beach test with the Manicore. With deep iron in parks, fields, then we have beaches and we have some iron but we have bottle caps so will bottle caps sound off on the Manicore like good targets??? Will deep bottle caps sound off like good targets?? Bottle caps give off that Halo effect on beaches.
All good questions. I have a few good sites at saltwater beaches where there's quite a bit of iron. I have heard good things about the Manticore in saltwater so we look forward to doing those tests
@@DetectorComparisons I will be definitely looking forward to your test. Right now the 900 is in my running for my other beach machine. My D2 is my main machine right now from all the test I seen nothing is beating it. Oh don't forget the gold chain test lol 🤣. Thanks for the testing.
Hi George, you bring up a good question. Yes I look forward to taking the Manticore down to Culpeper and test it out in that red dirt. Thanks for watching, Carter
@@DetectorComparisons I look forward to your test in Culpeper Virginia red soil, as I too in the future will be detecting in highly mineralized red soil with the Manticore, until I decide what Impulse detector to purchase for my environment. Below is a link to a video of the Deus II, swinging over red dirt in Virginia. They first identified a good target at a shallow depth (est. 2 inch) with a GPX impulse MD, in undisturbed soil. Results: Gold Field sounded the best, and Relic sounded good too. The VDI was not accurate and they had to dig more metal artifacts with the Deus II. They didn't test maximum depth. The target was estimated to be 2 inches deep. Deus II Modes tested and their observations: General: A little bit of an audible blip. Deep High Conductor: Random audible blip. Relic: Detects the target, but no VDI. Beach: Nothing detected. Beach Sensitive: could hear the target only a one-way sweep. Gold Field: Sounded repeatable. XP Deus 2- Metal Detecting Mineralized Ground (How To) Gone Diggin czcams.com/video/Xwc-LqvbZpY/video.html I think testing the 2 types and 5 techniques of the Ground Balance options would be beneficial. Manticore Ground Balance. Page 54. www.minelab.com/__files/f/494362/4901-0428-1%20Inst%20Manual In addition to Multi-IQ+ Search Modes, explore each of the single frequencies: 5kHz, 10kHz, 15kHz, 20kHz, 40kHz. Thank you!
Thanks for these videos. I am having trouble identifying deep nails on Deus2. it locked the number at 95 or 87 and sounds like deep silver. The sound is so good and so smooth but once I dig it out it turns out an old rusty nail that happens a lot to me. Is there any way to identify these nails?
@@DetectorComparisons Thanks for getting back to me. actually, I was switching between all programs when I was getting such a smooth nice deep tone but when I dug those targets they were old rusty nails. I usually do a ground balance before I start hunting.
@@mojawaz1 I'm not quite sure how you're getting smooth signals on deep iron. I mainly hunt in general preset and I just tweaked it a little using higher sensitivity. At best I get a scratchy signal on deep iron nails, something I could clearly differentiate from a good Target. I find I'll Get Fooled by Nails once in awhile when there's a cluster in the same hole but even then the signal is iffy, I just dig it anyway. I'm doing another video this coming week and I'll talk a little bit more about the iron signals.
@@mojawaz1 just a quick follow-up, I posted another video. The Manticore was hearing deep iron that sounded very scratchy to me at best. On your D2, make sure in general search that your recovery speed is at 2.0, disc at 6.8 and sensitivity that 90 or as high as you can make it while still maintaining stability. Important to use all metal pinpoint to make sure you're right over the Target and then switch back to discriminate to see if you still get a good repeatable.
It's called the uniprobe made by detector Pro. Go to detectorpro.com and you can read all about it. It is a set of headphones with a pulse induction Pro built into it
First, I want to ask what brand of slim jim pin pointer are you using? i'm ready for a new lightweight detector, love my Etrac which I got when they first came out but for this 74 year old, its getting heavier and heavier, like the way you two hunt together comparing signals, I suggest before you call him over tell the camera and only the camera what you think it is, then let him come over and tell you what he thinks without any influence from you. I believe this way you will have a clear winner.
The pinpointer is called a Uniprobe. It is a pulse induction probe built into a set of Gray Ghost headphones. You could read about it at detectorpro.com After two outings of going side-by-side, we pretty much hear each other's good deep targets but I like your suggestion so next time when I call him over I'll just ask him "what do you think" and I'll ask Jimmy do the same
Honestly, what do you think is the better detector, Minelab Manticore or the XP Deus 2? You won't find really good comparison tests between the two detectors here on CZcams or on the Internet, preferably a test in which both detectors have to detect the same objects under the same conditions, such a test would be understood internationally even without language difficulties!
Not sure if you watched my last two videos but what you're asking for is exactly what we did. We compared many signals over two different days at two different locations. From what I have seen so far all good targets that the Manticore heard the D2 was able to hear and all good targets that the D2 heard the Manticore was able to hear except for one. The only real issue that I have seen to this point is the Manticore getting fooled more than the D2 with deep iron. There's a lot more testing to do but so far both machines are very comparable in terms of performance on land.
On a few of the digs I flipped the air cup so you could hear the signal but you'll have to turn your volume up. The park was very noisy as you can tell!
On a few of the digs I flipped the ear cup so you could hear some of the D2 signals and some of the Manticore signals. You'll have to turn your volume up to hear these. As you could tell the park was very noisy!
You mention that the following parameters were used for the Manticore: Manticore Parameter Settings: Mode: All Terrain General. Recovery Speed: 4. Sensitivity: 21. Are you following the NASA-Tom recommended precedence of initializing the Manticore parameters? If not it's possible that there may be situations that cause less than ideal machine performance. Maybe even eradicate behavior, or consistent behavior that is not helpful. Are you using the best Mode?, see NASA-Tom comments at the bottom of this post of how to select a Mode. There are 3 local parameters that must be programmed in sequence for optimal machine performance, followed by a Noise Cancel after the parameter settings have been made. If you change any one of them, you need to Noise Cancel again. When field testing against another detector follow NASA-Tom guidance. Soil: little mineralization. What type of Ground Balance was used and why? Recovery Speed : 4: A lower Recovery Speed unmask nonferrous targets from iron, may improve detection depth in soils with low mineralisation and may reduce EMI susceptibility. A higher Recovery Speed enhances target separation, it also reduces Target ID accuracy and detection depth. If the Recovery Speed is linear (0 through 8) then I'll assume that: Nonferrous Unmasking and greater depth: 0 to 4. Target Separation and less depth: 5 to 8. In my opinion, when detecting in a public park, separation is paramount, followed by unmasking. Work the area with a high Recovery Speed and lower it whenever you think you have a masking situation. Don't forget to Noise Cancel each time. NASA-Tom: (You can gain more depth with a lower recovery speeds, but the unit (slightly) starts to become (electronically) off-balance, and makes the unit 'hotter'.). I'm guessing that 'hotter' implies more “false positive” targets, and "off-balance" I don't know what that might be referring too? It's not clear to me what NASA-Tom in conveying. The Manticore beats the Deus II at depth and the Manticore operates quieter in high EMI environments. Can we assume then that the Manticore can run with a faster Recovery Speed because it has a greater depth? It's all a compromise as we increase the Recovery Speed we also lose VDI accuracy. NASA-Tom: The Deus II beats the Manticore in a carpet of nails. The D2 will find approximately 4% more non-ferrous targets in carpets of nails. The MC will ascertain 23% more depth...... in the same carpet of nails. See NASA-Tom comments below of what Mode he thinks is best for a carpet of nails. Are you slowing down your swing rate? The lower the Recovery Speed the more time the DSP processor needs to unmask the nonferrous artifact from a ferrous artifact. And I'll assume it takes more time to plot an accurate Target Trace? Page 53. The Recovery Speed setting alters how quickly the detector responds from detecting one target to detecting another target. By increasing the Recovery Speed, the detector is able to better differentiate between multiple targets that are close together. This assists in high‑trash areas with finding smaller good targets amongst larger iron trash. The Recovery Speed setting has a range from 0 to 8. www.minelab.com/__files/f/494362/4901-0428-1%20Inst%20Manual Comments from NASA-Tom: How to chose a mode. If you are at a site.....relic hunting. Or coin hunting. Or both. Use All Terrain General Mode or All Terrain High Conductors Mode. Which one????? Set BOTH Modes up ...the same. THEN find out which one will mitigate EMI better.......via LONG PRESS in EACH one of the specific Modes. If one of the Modes can mitigate EMI just one Sensitivity point/setting higher....... than use that specific Mode. If you are low conductor (relic or coin) hunting..........and you have the following 3 Modes set up the same: All Terrain Low Conductors, All Terrain High Conductors and All Terrain General. If you find that All Terrain High Conductors OR All Terrain General can run Sens (a minimum of) 2 points.....or higher than All Terrain Low Conductors........... after a LONG PRESS Noise Cancel....... than use THAT Mode. You need a minimum of 2-points higher Sensitivity allowance with AT-G or AT-HC ..... in order to match (or exceed) All Terrain Low Conductors Mode. AT-LC Mode does use a slightly different grouping of SMF freq's. These are things that you may never think of. . . . . . because........ if you are going low-conductor hunting; the common-sense thing would be to use All Terrain Low Conductors Mode.......without question. Soooooooo................ it is not intuitive to use other Modes...... especially if you are unaware that the other Modes 'might' be better than All Terrain Low Conductors Mode.........if the following (above) conditions are met. When you perform a LONG PRESS Noise Cancel........ the detector may narrow down between (say) 2 or 3 channels. As you continue to LONG PRESS..... the unit is still searching ALL NOISE CANCEL channels..... simultaneously. . . . . . . . . . . . . even though it may be narrowing down to just 2 or 3 'best' channels. ONE of the reasons for the unit to cycle between a couple/few Noise Cancel channels is...... there may be a couple/few DIFFERENT noise-generating SOURCES!!! And the Manticore is struggling to seek to cancel the worst offender. You are going to run into cases whereby..... there will be MULTIPLE DIFFERENT EMI generating sources. And...... as of right now...... it is impossible to lock on to more-than-one Noise Cancel channel. Testing Manticore INDOORS for EMI mitigation (LONG PRESS)..... is a remedy for frustration! The LONG PRESS Noise Cancel feature, will be your Godsend. Remember: NEVER move the coil whilst performing ANY type of Noise Cancel. Short-press or LONG PRESS!!! Hold that coil dead-still !!! This goes for ANY brand/flavor detector. Don't be afraid to use All Terrain Low Conductors in carpets of nails........as.........this Mode is a highly modified EQX Field Mode-2. It runs higher freq's. I like a Recovery Speed of '5' in.,.,.,., especially carpets of nails. www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,185174,page=7
Many interesting points, thank you. Some very obvious and some that don't apply to the environment where we hunted... for example, we find areas that we consider " carpet of nails" but this is not one of them. I have the D2 setup to hear iron at a low volume so when I am in an iron infested area, I hear several grunts with each sweep, it was not like that here. I'm sure Jimmy will reply with his comments in the a.m. Again, thank you for taking the time to post this information, Carter
@@DetectorComparisons Concerning iron, NASA-Tom said it, Deus II is better in a carpet of nails than the Manticore. If the Manticore can be improved without altering other attributes of the machine, great. But if a ferrous enhancement mucks up existing attributes, go buy a Deus II. The Deus II is better in a carpet of nails, has better audio, and I think better target separation. The Manticore has superior Noise Cancel/EMI mitigation which opens up areas that were undetectable previously and improves beach hunting, it has greater detection depth, a X-Y plot of conductivity with the ability to display multiple artifacts, a better DSP processor, a larger display, and an increased range of Sensitivity 'Rx gain' for deep targets. As I learn more, I've become more critical of the machine parameter settings. There's a lot of parameters to meld into an optimal combination for the environment that we detect over. I'm interested in the justification of why the chosen parameter settings were used. That's why I posted NASA-Tom instructions of how to choose and optimize the best Mode. The Manticore and Deus have their niche markets, unique capabilities and they both cover the general detecting sphere well. Advanced dectorist are interested in tweaking the machine so they are productive with their time and confident that when they don't find an artifact, it's not because they didn't know how to properly set the detectors parameters. To set custom machine parameters correctly we need to understanding how does one parameters variable have an effect on another parameters variable, and then all in combination. At the end of the day each machine requires a unique set of detecting techniques to overcome it's inherent shortcomings. I enjoy your videos, keep em coming, and thank you!!
Thank you for your long response. I think Nasa- Tom would be preaching to the choir in regards to my knowledge about minelab metal detectors. I hardly get any EMI anytime I detect and if I do, it’s very easy to eradicate. I think all-terrain general is the best program for hunting in this park. I sometimes use all terrain, high conductor, but it tends to false more on iron. I find recovery speeds of four and five work best at this park anything above five and you lose the 10 inch depth, which is where most of the coins are. Keep in mind this particular park has layers and layers of modern trash and modern coinage. You can literally dig $20 worth of modern coins anytime you go.
@@jimzilladetecting Thank you for your response!! What type of Ground Balance was used and why? FYI, I'm creating a personal operators manual. Its the reason why I ask a lot of detailed questions. I want to reduce my learning curve before I purchase my Manticore. Again, thank you for your help!!
I find the Manticore seems to be a really good machine and all of the good D2 targets, the Manticore was able to hear. The only issue I see after a couple days of field testing is the Deep iron fooling the Manticore once in awhile. Will be doing another field test this week.
For the life of me I can't understand how this "deep iron issue" slipped past the initial testers! They may want to get these machines into the hands of people like yourself and others with decades of experience instead of the big flashy youtube channels for testing before releasing new offerings. Just doesn't seem right to me.
I can't agree with you more. I understand wanted to Hype up a new product but there's nothing like field testing to make sure all is working as it should. We are still trying to figure out what to do with deep iron falsing with the Manticore, the bottom line is it should not be this difficult to tune out deep nails. I think the Manticore has a lot of potential once we get around the Deep iron issues
Deus2 bearly hears 7,8 inch gold shilling! It doesnt matter what peoples say and show on tube tests. I tink deus2 need more depth. I am with 13 inch coil and bearly hears some coins. Hope next d2 up improve depth.
@@murtagon4460 i own and regularly use it since june '22, and i had absolutely 0 issues regarding depth... just hit a 35cm copper last week in general...
That piece of brass the Deus hit and the Manticore missed could've been a small button or other keeper relic. A lot of newbie detectorists don't have the knowledge or patience to have to go through this with a new detector they spent a small fortune on. When you hit a target you point out the spot where to look but would it have been hit if he didn't know where to look at. To me the Manticore is bad with falsing on iron. It sounds like the power is programmed too hot and here's problems in the iron discrimination. Maybe there's a problem in the ground balance system because if it's balancing with iron in the ground maybe there's an issue in the separation of the signal from iron separating away from the balance and tracking within high iron ground? I mean it's hitting deep iron as if it's balanced to clean ground where the target signal phase is much greater when in iron ground it shouldn't be spread so far apart thus hitting it as a target? Just food for thought has he tried speeding up the tracking? Or is there not a tracking adjustment. The Deus might be tracking quicker which is a lot different then raising recovery speed. I know you understand that I mention that because on another video I was talking tracking speed and someone kept saying that I really mean recovery speed. If it's not catching up it's chasing signals persay. I have a question regarding tracking. In auto track if you keep sweeping over that spot won't the detector slowly track off a target. Or track it away. Meaning if you step back and sweep back towards it does it sound a little better then get scratchy as you keep sweeping over it. Does if have a Trac inhibitor setting? Especially for pinpointing
The piece of brass was so small it wouldn’t be a keeper for me. I’m going for coins and the manticore I believe finds more than the D2 if you’re hunting in a park. During this test I found 7 Indians to the D2’s two or three Indians. The D2 is more of a relic machine in my opinion as it picks up the smallest pieces and jewelry. I think the D2 excels in separation and not falsing with iron. Regarding auto tracking, they would not make a difference with ferrous targets because it’s not hitting on hot rocks or phantom signals. These are mainly square nails or larger bent nails, older ones. Auto tracking just automatically ground balances for you. At what frequency no one really knows but it’s supposed to be quick. I’ve seen little difference with Minelab detectors with ground tracking on versus off.
I was shocked by how good the manticore mitigated EMI. My 800 would chirp like crazy in front of the hotels on Hampton beach. I took my core to same spot,ran same sens and it was stable as ever.
the D2 is bangin' head to head.....first 2 rounds decisively....10-9 for the D2.... i run my D2 in Mono most of the time// the deep HC is just wayyyy too noisy in the typical urban areas i hunt all the chattering makes it harder to hear the deepies that i am looking for.....so MONO is pretty tight. gets me the lion's share of targets no problem and no migraine headache when i am done
So when I talk about the air tests versus actual “in the field” results, the target ID numbers will come in much different in the ground. For example, in the video I mentioned Indianhead pennies. In air tests they come in 56-59 but I’ve dug them in the ground between 45-55. The same goes for wheats…they air test around 70-73 but in the ground they come in 63-72. Ground minerals and moisture content changes TID numbers
I really enjoy digging with people like you two! Taking time to listen to signals and discuss what you're hearing/thinking!
its deffinantly a fun way of doing it rathert han just digging and blasting
Great video! Almost makes me wish I would have ordered a Deus instead of the Manticore due to the iron falsing. Thanks for taking the time to record this. Very useful information.
Excellent video guys, I enjoy watching people who know what they are doing and really show what the machines do. Thank you for the hard work. Nice finds also.
You guys are really putting out some informative and interesting videos. Thank you!
As others have said, we all need to hear the sounds loud on both machines, as I own a D2 so always nice to try and guess before you dig it, please can you do this on next video and also be nice to show close up of the painting on manticore screen as that what most people want to see how well it separates two close targets and what ID as in elongated nails or round coin shape so see in real world virgin targets, I owed the Nox 800 and loved the machine but found it gave iron sounds on deep targets and when I dug them turned out to be good targets but still really like the machine, lots of people are experiencing the same problem with the new manticore so hoping it can find a work around or an update, ps love your commentary over the top of the video and thanks for sharing 🥳🥳🥳
The Deus II seems to be doing a good job of distributing between the ferrous and nonferrous. I love my Deus II. Thanks for testing, Carter!
Doing Yeoman's work. TY!
I've had the Nox 800 for 3 years and used it exclusively for parks, schools, and ball fields digging 971 silver coins up here in Western NY. I fully understand the falsing on deep iron and really didn't expect the Manticore to solve that. My hope for it is extra depth and a little more separation. I did not preorder so will wait until it retails at dealers. Again, thank you for the comparison videos. It really helps all of us diggers :)
There's no doubt you will find more separation in going deeper with the Manticore. Can't wait until Minelab fixs this deep iron issue
My headphones are on the way. Can't wait to get hands on them!
Great comparison guys! Very informative video!! Thanks! 👍👍👍
Love the comparison videos. Two great machines. I'm partial to the XP machine myself. It's a tone thing for me. Looking forward to seeing what they have for us on the next XP update.
I've been waiting on Manticore comparisons with the D2 before I pull the trigger. I have the cash set aside, but wasn't sure which one to get. The more videos like this I watch, the more I'm leaning towards the Deus 2.
For now, my Equinox 800 is serving me well, but in my iron infested sites, I think the Deus would do even better... especially when the new update comes out.
@@TexasTimelapse i had the Nox 800 sold it for the D2. Honestly no regrets mostly for me it was the tones of the Nox that drove me crazy. I haven't regretted buying my D2. It's amazingly light. What ever machine you buy I wish you the best of luck with it. I just enjoy the hobby.
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The 800 is a great machine but the Deus II is outstanding. Gave my 800 and T2 SE to a good friend for him and his kids. I've been going back to old sites with the D2 and killing it. My buddy didn't care for it at first until I made some recommendations and now he loves it. Gotta learn the D2 to appreciate its capabilities.
thanks for the video just watching as been looing at getting the 13 coil for my d2 as im on the 9" and recently ive been having amazing sucess with the deep hc program with a slight custom setup and im now inlove with teh machine so think im going to invest in the 13 coil
also this video is cool as lots of people saying the d2 aint good etc and then they are sellign the d2 and buying a manticore etc but yet you have proved the deus 2 is as good if not better than the current software on teh manticore
Thanks for sharing, great video, good information.
Great video. Thanks guys.
Great stuff!! Thanks guys
Wish we could hear both the machines signal better
I agree it like watching silent fanboy movie
I agree. I don't usually hunt by watching a screen. I go by tones and just look at the screen right before I've already decided to dig
Sorry I couldn’t make this hunt. Very well done comparisons and I agree , software should fix that iron issue
no clear cut winner in my opinion. great video and examples. your learning curves will climb with practice too. keep these coming for a while.
We definitely have more comparing to do but right now the only issue seems to be deep iron because we could hear each other's good deep targets without a problem
Very happy with my deus 2
that place is literally the proving grounds for any new machine. the place been hit for 50 years and the coins are extremely deep, the days when we used to find 40 indians each a day and bunch of seated are over only the deep remains. very few obvious signals are left. defiantly a good video when my core arrives that's the first place i'm heading
ive been using deep hc fir the last few days and itst he only program im feeling super confident with i also have am ono progrom setup so if its an iffy signal i flick to mono and check it with that and it kind of cherry picks
Xp have done an amazing job with the factory programs. Minelab have always made great detectors for screen hunters. Both look fantastic with cutting edge tech. I personally own the xp. I'd love to have your ground. I pretty much need a jack hammer deeper than two inches. Cheers from Australia.
Thanks for this video very helpful. Question are there any websites that have the Manticore available?
I'm pretty sure dealers are taking back orders right now
Thanks
In the future, in low light, reduce the monitor brightness so the camera can capture the VDI and Target Trace.
You didn't show it, but I hope your buddy rechecked his holes when he dug iron. I can't tell you how many times I've dug a nail, rechecked the hole and had a partially masked non ferrous in the hole with my 800.
Oh I always recheck the hole.
gday from oz,still waiting for the manticore and theres small alarm bells starting to sound in my head,cannot see the iron problem making a difference in the water,as its useually big iron or none if it can,t see that then it will be on ebay......
Thanks for the comparison . Does running the D2 on High Sensitivity Take away from clarity?
I was running Deep High Conductor at 90 because at 95 it was a little too chatty.
No doubt if one is considering either of these machines this would be the team to show a fair comparison! Thank You!! Come on spring and warmer water..!!
Neither machine found anything that your current machine couldn’t find.. they just justify paying too much
@@dansteffee9759 Be interesting to see how all goes once they hit the water, and so far your right. My 25 year old dinosaur still holds it own in the water. Seeing both the D2 and Manticore seem equal, I don't see me changing.
@@dansteffee9759 From what I've seen the Nexus Standard MP V3 would compete head to head with these machines. One of the drawbacks is it's not waterproof.
Nexus Standard MP V3 Small Silver Six Pence 'Raised Iron Nail Demonstration'
Paul Warren - Metal Detecting
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Nexus Standard MP V3 Discrimination Demo Using 12' Inch Dual Coil
Paul Warren - Metal Detecting
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Was Jimmy in the stock ferrous settings or were they adjusted? Nice video I've always loved watching your vids esp the water hunts!
I'll let Jimmy answer here, I'm pretty sure they were stock. Thank you!
What kind of pinpointer probe are you guys using? Love the side by side comparison, great video.
Hello, it is called the Uniprobe. It is a set of Gray Ghost headphones with a pulse induction probe built into them. You can read more about it at detectorpro.com Thanks
Hey guys great video as always. What is the pinpointer you are using with D2? Tia
The pinpointer is called the Uniprope which is a wireless Gray Ghost set of headphones with a pulse induction probe built into them. You can read about them at detectorpro.com Thanks
It's going to be interesting to see a beach test with the Manicore. With deep iron in parks, fields, then we have beaches and we have some iron but we have bottle caps so will bottle caps sound off on the Manicore like good targets??? Will deep bottle caps sound off like good targets?? Bottle caps give off that Halo effect on beaches.
All good questions. I have a few good sites at saltwater beaches where there's quite a bit of iron. I have heard good things about the Manticore in saltwater so we look forward to doing those tests
@@DetectorComparisons I will be definitely looking forward to your test. Right now the 900 is in my running for my other beach machine. My D2 is my main machine right now from all the test I seen nothing is beating it. Oh don't forget the gold chain test lol 🤣. Thanks for the testing.
Keep field testing. Wonder how it will do in my Culpeper dirt? Maybe the sugar sand effects the iron disc. on the Manticore? George Kinsey
Hi George, you bring up a good question. Yes I look forward to taking the Manticore down to Culpeper and test it out in that red dirt. Thanks for watching, Carter
@@DetectorComparisons I look forward to your test in Culpeper Virginia red soil, as I too in the future will be detecting in highly mineralized red soil with the Manticore, until I decide what Impulse detector to purchase for my environment.
Below is a link to a video of the Deus II, swinging over red dirt in Virginia.
They first identified a good target at a shallow depth (est. 2 inch) with a GPX impulse MD, in undisturbed soil.
Results:
Gold Field sounded the best, and Relic sounded good too.
The VDI was not accurate and they had to dig more metal artifacts with the Deus II.
They didn't test maximum depth.
The target was estimated to be 2 inches deep.
Deus II Modes tested and their observations:
General: A little bit of an audible blip.
Deep High Conductor: Random audible blip.
Relic: Detects the target, but no VDI.
Beach: Nothing detected.
Beach Sensitive: could hear the target only a one-way sweep.
Gold Field: Sounded repeatable.
XP Deus 2- Metal Detecting Mineralized Ground (How To)
Gone Diggin
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I think testing the 2 types and 5 techniques of the Ground Balance options would be beneficial.
Manticore Ground Balance. Page 54.
www.minelab.com/__files/f/494362/4901-0428-1%20Inst%20Manual
In addition to Multi-IQ+ Search Modes, explore each of the single frequencies: 5kHz, 10kHz, 15kHz, 20kHz, 40kHz.
Thank you!
Great video it’s the same with the 900 lower the sensitivity it will help with the falsing
Thanks for these videos. I am having trouble identifying deep nails on Deus2. it locked the number at 95 or 87 and sounds like deep silver. The sound is so good and so smooth but once I dig it out it turns out an old rusty nail that happens a lot to me.
Is there any way to identify these nails?
Are you hunting in the general search mode and have you tweaked any settings? Are you making sure to ground balance?
@@DetectorComparisons Thanks for getting back to me. actually, I was switching between all programs when I was getting such a smooth nice deep tone but when I dug those targets they were old rusty nails. I usually do a ground balance before I start hunting.
@@mojawaz1 I'm not quite sure how you're getting smooth signals on deep iron. I mainly hunt in general preset and I just tweaked it a little using higher sensitivity. At best I get a scratchy signal on deep iron nails, something I could clearly differentiate from a good Target. I find I'll Get Fooled by Nails once in awhile when there's a cluster in the same hole but even then the signal is iffy, I just dig it anyway. I'm doing another video this coming week and I'll talk a little bit more about the iron signals.
@@DetectorComparisons Thank you. I will be waiting for your video.
@@mojawaz1 just a quick follow-up, I posted another video. The Manticore was hearing deep iron that sounded very scratchy to me at best. On your D2, make sure in general search that your recovery speed is at 2.0, disc at 6.8 and sensitivity that 90 or as high as you can make it while still maintaining stability. Important to use all metal pinpoint to make sure you're right over the Target and then switch back to discriminate to see if you still get a good repeatable.
What model of headphones does a person with a Minelab metal detector have ?
It's called the uniprobe made by detector Pro. Go to detectorpro.com and you can read all about it. It is a set of headphones with a pulse induction Pro built into it
How do you like the Uni probe headphones
I use them all the time. Like hearing just the machine or just the probe and being able to switch between the two instantly. Also like the depth
Kinda of an oddball question, I have a 3030. Why change what I have besides the weight.
Actually a good question. The 3030 is not as fast as the Manticore plus the Manticore will go deeper.
First, I want to ask what brand of slim jim pin pointer are you using? i'm ready for a new lightweight detector, love my Etrac which I got when they first came out but for this 74 year old, its getting heavier and heavier, like the way you two hunt together comparing signals, I suggest before you call him over tell the camera and only the camera what you think it is, then let him come over and tell you what he thinks without any influence from you. I believe this way you will have a clear winner.
The pinpointer is called a Uniprobe. It is a pulse induction probe built into a set of Gray Ghost headphones. You could read about it at detectorpro.com
After two outings of going side-by-side, we pretty much hear each other's good deep targets but I like your suggestion so next time when I call him over I'll just ask him "what do you think" and I'll ask Jimmy do the same
Carter, did you run any notch on the Deus II?
No, never do. I know it's a popular feature but it's something I don't like using, just a personal preference.
@@DetectorComparisons Is that a Lesche Sampson 36” shovel? If so how do you like it? I was thinking of getting one.
@@mtcooley yes it is and I love it!
Honestly, what do you think is the better detector, Minelab Manticore or the XP Deus 2? You won't find really good comparison tests between the two detectors here on CZcams or on the Internet, preferably a test in which both detectors have to detect the same objects under the same conditions, such a test would be understood internationally even without language difficulties!
Not sure if you watched my last two videos but what you're asking for is exactly what we did. We compared many signals over two different days at two different locations. From what I have seen so far all good targets that the Manticore heard the D2 was able to hear and all good targets that the D2 heard the Manticore was able to hear except for one. The only real issue that I have seen to this point is the Manticore getting fooled more than the D2 with deep iron. There's a lot more testing to do but so far both machines are very comparable in terms of performance on land.
@@DetectorComparisons Many thanks for your response 👍
Where's the sound?
On a few of the digs I flipped the air cup so you could hear the signal but you'll have to turn your volume up. The park was very noisy as you can tell!
No sound???
On a few of the digs I flipped the ear cup so you could hear some of the D2 signals and some of the Manticore signals. You'll have to turn your volume up to hear these. As you could tell the park was very noisy!
You mention that the following parameters were used for the Manticore:
Manticore Parameter Settings:
Mode: All Terrain General.
Recovery Speed: 4.
Sensitivity: 21.
Are you following the NASA-Tom recommended precedence of initializing the Manticore parameters? If not it's possible that there may be situations that cause less than ideal machine performance. Maybe even eradicate behavior, or consistent behavior that is not helpful. Are you using the best Mode?, see NASA-Tom comments at the bottom of this post of how to select a Mode.
There are 3 local parameters that must be programmed in sequence for optimal machine performance, followed by a Noise Cancel after the parameter settings have been made. If you change any one of them, you need to Noise Cancel again. When field testing against another detector follow NASA-Tom guidance.
Soil: little mineralization.
What type of Ground Balance was used and why?
Recovery Speed : 4:
A lower Recovery Speed unmask nonferrous targets from iron, may improve detection
depth in soils with low mineralisation and may reduce EMI
susceptibility.
A higher Recovery Speed enhances target separation, it also
reduces Target ID accuracy and detection depth.
If the Recovery Speed is linear (0 through 8) then I'll assume that:
Nonferrous Unmasking and greater depth: 0 to 4.
Target Separation and less depth: 5 to 8.
In my opinion, when detecting in a public park, separation is paramount, followed by unmasking.
Work the area with a high Recovery Speed and lower it whenever you think you have a masking situation. Don't forget to Noise Cancel each time.
NASA-Tom: (You can gain more depth with a lower recovery speeds, but the unit (slightly) starts to become (electronically) off-balance, and makes the unit 'hotter'.).
I'm guessing that 'hotter' implies more “false positive” targets, and "off-balance" I don't know what that might be referring too? It's not clear to me what NASA-Tom in conveying.
The Manticore beats the Deus II at depth and the Manticore operates quieter in high EMI environments. Can we assume then that the Manticore can run with a faster Recovery Speed because it has a greater depth? It's all a compromise as we increase the Recovery Speed we also lose VDI accuracy.
NASA-Tom: The Deus II beats the Manticore in a carpet of nails.
The D2 will find approximately 4% more non-ferrous targets in carpets of nails.
The MC will ascertain 23% more depth...... in the same carpet of nails.
See NASA-Tom comments below of what Mode he thinks is best for a carpet of nails.
Are you slowing down your swing rate?
The lower the Recovery Speed the more time the DSP processor needs to unmask the nonferrous artifact from a ferrous artifact. And I'll assume it takes more time to plot an accurate Target Trace?
Page 53.
The Recovery Speed setting alters how quickly the detector responds from detecting one target to detecting another target.
By increasing the Recovery Speed, the detector is able to better differentiate between multiple targets that are close together. This assists in high‑trash areas with finding smaller good targets amongst larger iron trash. The Recovery Speed setting has a range from 0 to 8.
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Comments from NASA-Tom: How to chose a mode.
If you are at a site.....relic hunting. Or coin hunting. Or both.
Use All Terrain General Mode or All Terrain High Conductors Mode. Which one?????
Set BOTH Modes up ...the same. THEN find out which one will mitigate EMI better.......via LONG PRESS in EACH one of the specific Modes.
If one of the Modes can mitigate EMI just one Sensitivity point/setting higher....... than use that specific Mode.
If you are low conductor (relic or coin) hunting..........and you have the following 3 Modes set up the same: All Terrain Low Conductors, All Terrain High Conductors and All Terrain General.
If you find that All Terrain High Conductors OR All Terrain General can run Sens (a minimum of) 2 points.....or higher than All Terrain Low Conductors........... after a LONG PRESS Noise Cancel....... than use THAT Mode.
You need a minimum of 2-points higher Sensitivity allowance with AT-G or AT-HC ..... in order to match (or exceed) All Terrain Low Conductors Mode. AT-LC Mode does use a slightly different grouping of SMF freq's.
These are things that you may never think of. . . . . . because........ if you are going low-conductor hunting; the common-sense thing would be to use All Terrain Low Conductors Mode.......without question. Soooooooo................ it is not intuitive to use other Modes...... especially if you are unaware that the other Modes 'might' be better than All Terrain Low Conductors Mode.........if the following (above) conditions are met.
When you perform a LONG PRESS Noise Cancel........ the detector may narrow down between (say) 2 or 3 channels. As you continue to LONG PRESS..... the unit is still searching ALL NOISE CANCEL channels..... simultaneously. . . . . . . . . . . . . even though it may be narrowing down to just 2 or 3 'best' channels.
ONE of the reasons for the unit to cycle between a couple/few Noise Cancel channels is...... there may be a couple/few DIFFERENT noise-generating SOURCES!!! And the Manticore is struggling to seek to cancel the worst offender.
You are going to run into cases whereby..... there will be MULTIPLE DIFFERENT EMI generating sources. And...... as of right now...... it is impossible to lock on to more-than-one Noise Cancel channel.
Testing Manticore INDOORS for EMI mitigation (LONG PRESS)..... is a remedy for frustration!
The LONG PRESS Noise Cancel feature, will be your Godsend.
Remember: NEVER move the coil whilst performing ANY type of Noise Cancel. Short-press or LONG PRESS!!! Hold that coil dead-still !!! This goes for ANY brand/flavor detector.
Don't be afraid to use All Terrain Low Conductors in carpets of nails........as.........this Mode is a highly modified EQX Field Mode-2. It runs higher freq's. I like a Recovery Speed of '5' in.,.,.,., especially carpets of nails.
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Many interesting points, thank you. Some very obvious and some that don't apply to the environment where we hunted... for example, we find areas that we consider " carpet of nails" but this is not one of them. I have the D2 setup to hear iron at a low volume so when I am in an iron infested area, I hear several grunts with each sweep, it was not like that here. I'm sure Jimmy will reply with his comments in the a.m. Again, thank you for taking the time to post this information, Carter
@@DetectorComparisons Concerning iron, NASA-Tom said it, Deus II is better in a carpet of nails than the Manticore. If the Manticore can be improved without altering other attributes of the machine, great. But if a ferrous enhancement mucks up existing attributes, go buy a Deus II.
The Deus II is better in a carpet of nails, has better audio, and I think better target separation.
The Manticore has superior Noise Cancel/EMI mitigation which opens up areas that were undetectable previously and improves beach hunting, it has greater detection depth, a X-Y plot of conductivity with the ability to display multiple artifacts, a better DSP processor, a larger display, and an increased range of Sensitivity 'Rx gain' for deep targets.
As I learn more, I've become more critical of the machine parameter settings. There's a lot of parameters to meld into an optimal combination for the environment that we detect over.
I'm interested in the justification of why the chosen parameter settings were used. That's why I posted NASA-Tom instructions of how to choose and optimize the best Mode.
The Manticore and Deus have their niche markets, unique capabilities and they both cover the general detecting sphere well.
Advanced dectorist are interested in tweaking the machine so they are productive with their time and confident that when they don't find an artifact, it's not because they didn't know how to properly set the detectors parameters.
To set custom machine parameters correctly we need to understanding how does one parameters variable have an effect on another parameters variable, and then all in combination.
At the end of the day each machine requires a unique set of detecting techniques to overcome it's inherent shortcomings.
I enjoy your videos, keep em coming, and thank you!!
Thank you for your long response. I think Nasa- Tom would be preaching to the choir in regards to my knowledge about minelab metal detectors. I hardly get any EMI anytime I detect and if I do, it’s very easy to eradicate. I think all-terrain general is the best program for hunting in this park. I sometimes use all terrain, high conductor, but it tends to false more on iron. I find recovery speeds of four and five work best at this park anything above five and you lose the 10 inch depth, which is where most of the coins are. Keep in mind this particular park has layers and layers of modern trash and modern coinage. You can literally dig $20 worth of modern coins anytime you go.
@@jimzilladetecting Thank you for your response!!
What type of Ground Balance was used and why?
FYI, I'm creating a personal operators manual. Its the reason why I ask a lot of detailed questions. I want to reduce my learning curve before I purchase my Manticore.
Again, thank you for your help!!
Manticore just doesn’t seem to be altogether. D-2 is working the field
I find the Manticore seems to be a really good machine and all of the good D2 targets, the Manticore was able to hear. The only issue I see after a couple days of field testing is the Deep iron fooling the Manticore once in awhile. Will be doing another field test this week.
For the life of me I can't understand how this "deep iron issue" slipped past the initial testers! They may want to get these machines into the hands of people like yourself and others with decades of experience instead of the big flashy youtube channels for testing before releasing new offerings. Just doesn't seem right to me.
I can't agree with you more. I understand wanted to Hype up a new product but there's nothing like field testing to make sure all is working as it should. We are still trying to figure out what to do with deep iron falsing with the Manticore, the bottom line is it should not be this difficult to tune out deep nails. I think the Manticore has a lot of potential once we get around the Deep iron issues
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Deus2 bearly hears 7,8 inch gold shilling! It doesnt matter what peoples say and show on tube tests. I tink deus2 need more depth. I am with 13 inch coil and bearly hears some coins. Hope next d2 up improve depth.
maybe you should take the patience to learn the machine
@@giuliobecchio4293 I have been using the device for a long time. That's just his capacity
@@murtagon4460 i own and regularly use it since june '22, and i had absolutely 0 issues regarding depth... just hit a 35cm copper last week in general...
I wonder how the Manitcore 8" X 5.5" coil would do in these tests?
That piece of brass the Deus hit and the Manticore missed could've been a small button or other keeper relic. A lot of newbie detectorists don't have the knowledge or patience to have to go through this with a new detector they spent a small fortune on.
When you hit a target you point out the spot where to look but would it have been hit if he didn't know where to look at. To me the Manticore is bad with falsing on iron. It sounds like the power is programmed too hot and here's problems in the iron discrimination. Maybe there's a problem in the ground balance system because if it's balancing with iron in the ground maybe there's an issue in the separation of the signal from iron separating away from the balance and tracking within high iron ground? I mean it's hitting deep iron as if it's balanced to clean ground where the target signal phase is much greater when in iron ground it shouldn't be spread so far apart thus hitting it as a target?
Just food for thought has he tried speeding up the tracking? Or is there not a tracking adjustment. The Deus might be tracking quicker which is a lot different then raising recovery speed. I know you understand that I mention that because on another video I was talking tracking speed and someone kept saying that I really mean recovery speed. If it's not catching up it's chasing signals persay.
I have a question regarding tracking. In auto track if you keep sweeping over that spot won't the detector slowly track off a target. Or track it away. Meaning if you step back and sweep back towards it does it sound a little better then get scratchy as you keep sweeping over it. Does if have a Trac inhibitor setting? Especially for pinpointing
The piece of brass was so small it wouldn’t be a keeper for me. I’m going for coins and the manticore I believe finds more than the D2 if you’re hunting in a park. During this test I found 7 Indians to the D2’s two or three Indians. The D2 is more of a relic machine in my opinion as it picks up the smallest pieces and jewelry. I think the D2 excels in separation and not falsing with iron. Regarding auto tracking, they would not make a difference with ferrous targets because it’s not hitting on hot rocks or phantom signals. These are mainly square nails or larger bent nails, older ones. Auto tracking just automatically ground balances for you. At what frequency no one really knows but it’s supposed to be quick. I’ve seen little difference with Minelab detectors with ground tracking on versus off.
I was shocked by how good the manticore mitigated EMI. My 800 would chirp like crazy in front of the hotels on Hampton beach. I took my core to same spot,ran same sens and it was stable as ever.
No sound could not hear anything guys but ty for the effort 💪
I can hear the machines responding to a few targets but you're going to have to turn your volume up. The park was extremely noisy as you can tell
the D2 is bangin'
head to head.....first 2 rounds decisively....10-9 for the D2....
i run my D2 in Mono most of the time// the deep HC is just wayyyy too noisy in the typical urban areas i hunt
all the chattering makes it harder to hear the deepies that i am looking for.....so MONO is pretty tight.
gets me the lion's share of targets no problem and no migraine headache when i am done
Air test fact...the air isn't mineralized 😁😆😅🤣😂
This dirt had very little mineralization. The targets for the D2 read the same in the dirt as they did out of the dirt.
So when I talk about the air tests versus actual “in the field” results, the target ID numbers will come in much different in the ground. For example, in the video I mentioned Indianhead pennies. In air tests they come in 56-59 but I’ve dug them in the ground between 45-55. The same goes for wheats…they air test around 70-73 but in the ground they come in 63-72. Ground minerals and moisture content changes TID numbers