Pedestrian Causes Death of Cyclist Through 'Hostile Gesticulation' | Auriol Grey Case Analysis
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As soon as I read the title I started speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.
Sometimes it be like that
@@five12man Karens gotta Karen.
Did you also not diagnose anybody?
I appreciate that you are not diagnosing anybody here and only speculating.
@@DearDextra only speculating
I know this woman. She came to our town one day and berated anyone who was walking and using their phones. She took it upon herself to police the sidewalks. It landed her in jail. I'll always remember her for screaming at me what a "little bastard" I was.
Dain bramage she has.
Obviouslhy, she had a lot of pent up hate.
Yeah! I have to get out of the way of people looking at their phones. They aren’t watching where they are going. Then they look up and glare at you for daring to be on the sidewalk at the same time as them.
Were you ?
@@joyandrews3804 Nothing a stiff elbow wouldn't cure, when I see people walk across the street glued to their phone they don't realize so are the people driving cars.
Where I live, it's illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk, but the penalty isn't death.
Riding in the street is always risking injury. I've been cut off by cars, crashing in one instance,- the driver took off - and having my hand bruised by the door handle of a car as a teen. That driver stopped, but I asked him to leave me alone.
I think most places have laws not to ride bicycles, mopeds on sidewalk. But regular skateboards,
skates or usually okay although, supposedly, sk8 boarders are suppose to yield to pedestrians at all times. Well, we know how that works! Ppl aren't suppose to rob banks or steal either...lol!
People die from making their own mistakes all the time, what are you even talking about?
If ita illegal to ride bikes on side walk ill need a bike lane minimum 5 feet wide and not next to the road where a car can just side swipe me and dip.
Fy
I don't ride a bike anymore. If you ride in the street, you battle vehicles, if you ride on sidewalks you deal with angry pedestrians. There's really no place for bikes anymore.
To be fair, bicycles were an outdated mode of transport about 100 years ago. It's illegal to cycle on the pavement.
How about, idk, bike paths???????
Ever hear of a bike lane?
They’re called ✨bike lanes✨ if you and the other cyclists care so much then petition the city, especially if you live in a city that wasn’t originally built for bicycle traffic. I’ve seen an accident caused by a cyclist who was on a curvy 45 mph road and a driver had to come to a screeching halt behind him. They really have no place in sidewalks, as they are full of strollers and pets and need to be clear for wheelchairs. This lady was dead wrong but the incident would have been prevented with a proper bike lane. The city is washing their hands of responsibility by charging a mentally ill person.
@@Hawthorneheights888 You must live in fantasy, those Bike lanes are even more dangerous, Cars treat bikers just as bad as motorcycles.
The elderly cyclist was a retired midwife, she spent her whole life helping people for it to end so awfully, so very sad ❤
why does her job have anything to do with it. The peestrian was mobility impaired. The biker was on the sidewalk.
In my view she had poor control over the bike and shouldn't have been riding it in the first place
So it was a normally nice person who was illegally riding down a sidewalk being a menace in a road-only vehicle? Okay and? If I skydive into an electrical transformer, do I get to sue the power company as long as I opened an orphanage earlier in life?
The cyclist CHOSE to be on the footpath, CHOSE to not look knowing it a busy road, she caused her own death, HOW does a WAVE BE CAUSE OF SOME ELSE DECISIONS?????????
@@serasmiles2 minimal patience/tolerance was all that was needed. But that woman could not muster an iota tolerance. An evil woman. The fact that she left says all.
The one major point that to me appears mostly overlooked is she's lobotomized. Just because she can articulate morality doesn't mean she has the impulse control to adhere to it or the ability to predict the outcome of an action. In my opinion, her history of behavioral problems suggests she needs far more supervision than she receives.
My family is friends with a family who has two sons that have under developed frontal lobes. They are great fellows but lack serious impulse control and need constant supervision.
Agreed. She is not mentally capable of understanding the implications of her actions, and subsequent incidents reinforce this assumption.
One thing that does seem for sure, she needs more supervision for the safety of all, including herself.
Agree! I also think that she walks around in self defense mode because of the bullying. Not because she lacks empathy. People who have to live with that disability often develop that self defense mode because of being bullied at school or whatever. It’s really sad that people can’t see that their mentality is not the same as ours. 😞
Sad, but the family of the victim would not agree.
I sincerely believe she pushed her, not simply just touched her with her fingers. She absolutely pushed that lady
Doesn't even have to pushed. Contact with the left arm or handlebar can cause the front wheel to unexpectly dart left, turning the bike to the right into the path of traffic. The woman even admitted to making contact.
@@NicholasIstre "...cause the front wheel to unexpectly dart left, turning the bike to the right..."
I guess the laws of physics are reversed in England, much like common sense.
She was rotating her arm into the left, she was walking dead centre of pavement, that thumb action is a command, a demand by her. To me I would say her anger made her push her when she came along. Touching with her fingers on that rotating movement, she definitely pushed her… Walking off, with the excuse she could hear the sirens…. Sirens would not have been there that quickly. She left the scene of an accident with no remorse, no empathy…
@@slopsec2358 all two wheeled vehicles work this way. They turn by leaning, which is induced by initially turning the handlebar to the opposite direction. Everyone who rides bicycles or motorcycles implicitly learns to do this.
Judging from the video, it looks like a push, sufficient pause and turn to indicate she 'leaned' into the cyclist somehow.
She was "flinching" out long before the lady came close to her, and then she left the scene when the victim was hit.
Grey is a cold hearted horrible woman with aggression issues.
At least she didn't do a celebratory "end zone dance," but probably had a sense of accomplishment.
@@stephenkalatucka6213 The horrible old goat looked like she was feeding chickens {scattering grain} in the run up to the push.
Having the right of way doesn't grant you the right to put other people at risk. The fact Auriol causally walked off and went shopping after someone died proves she has no empathy after what she did.
Perhaps - but she is mentally disabled, which may explain her cognitive inability to realise the seriousness of the incident.
There was plenty of space for both of them on the sideway. She clearly walks right into the cyclist's path. She might not have been intending to killer her, but she certain did not care if the cyclist was killed or badly injured. Not to mention the trauma she inflicted on the unfortunate driver. 😢
Good analysis. Well said.
@@sugarspice7768 The side walk is for pedestrians, the cyclist should have gone around the individual with the legally established right of way, the cyclist choose not to and Darwin stepped in and said 'buh bye'.....
@@MrBilly235 Cyclists are pedestrians and need to stay off the road. You must neither cycle or drive where cyclists are. Cycling in the road is extremely dangerous for cyclists as well as drivers having to maneuver around someone going 1/9th their speed. If they are ever actually banned from sidewalks then they should just not be allowed anywhere. Bye bye environment.
The fact that she just walked off to go shopping. Doesn't sound like she had any remorse.
SHE WAS LOBOTOMISED
That's like saying someone should have remorse after swatting a fly
What does that even mean? Are you calling the cyclist a fly? That's pretty dehumanizing.
Remorse for what? Pointing with her finger? What's there to feel bad about the other person fell over all by themself.
@@starboard9551 She reached her hand infront of the cyclist causing her swerve into traffic. Her irrational actions resulted in someone death.
Not only did she cause a life to end with no remorse, but the woman driving the car said she suffers from ptsd and will have life long mental health problems due to having been the person to collide with Celia.
No. Bike rider ended her own life by choosing to ride on the sidewalk. And to use your own logic against you, it's illegal to ride on the sidewalks for the same reason it's illegal to not wear a seatbelt or not wear a helmet on motorcycles. You're essentially saying it's illegal to walk on a sidewalk while a bike is coming at you. You have no brain.
None of us know for sure her level of remorse. Only she can know that. Especially with her mental problems. It's totally unfair to assume a person's state of mind with such little information IMHO.
And the same goes for the driver. She can claim all sorts of things. But how do we know that she's being genuine?
Maybe she's doing that for another reason. A lawsuit? Insurance? To collect unemployment/disability? This type of fraud is very, very common unfortunately. ✌️
Remorse is irrelevant.
Talking with your hands is a crime?
You're delusional.
So making a hand gesture made her guilty for the cyclists death? Really? What if a cop makes a move like that and the same thing happens?
What about people causing the death and suffering of thousands of animals during their lifetime to eat them? Does that count as PTSD?
That woman did not take evasive action. That woman was pushed towards traffic.
if true then guilty - IMO
As an avid cyclist, whenever I feel uncertain about safety, I slow to a stop, for my own safety.
I don't condemn Celia, but I would have stopped, waited for Arial to pass, then rode away.
@mikyl-fo8rh, I'm a cyclist also. I see your point and I might have done the same thing as you. But if I was walking and I saw a bicycle, even though I know I have the right away, I still would just move over, seems like there was plenty of room for both of them on the sidewalk.
@@tomruth9487 me too
was just saying same thing after watching this - mind you, the benefit of hindsight is 20-20 vision. The poor lady victim was prob unaware until she got too close to danger.
@@tomruth9487 yep
@@oliviastar3812 Yes, I'm guessing it all happened very quickly. Not much time to do anything.
People often say, he/she/they will have to "live with that for the rest of their lives". A silly auto response,
given so many ppl today, can careless of others. She went grocery shopping afterwards, didn't stay around,
didn't try to help, didn't care. So "she" will have little to no problems the rest of her life!
I thought that when he said it. We have no way of knowing what's going on in Auriel's mind.
He also said she had cognitive impairment so how can we assume she makes reasonable decisions?
depends on the person
Yeah, she immediately went on living with that act in her life to the groceries immediately afterwards.
She care when the day comes where she in a government nursing home where they just as careless as she is. Glad she served time in jail even though it wasn’t the full sentence.
Crazy how a rule/law/ordinance can make people so inhumane or so entitled that life is lost.
1930s Germany and todays madness spring to mind.
Those on here defending Auriol by saying 'it's illegal to ride on the pavement' may technically be correct. However, it's also illegal to protest in the middle of the road, but drivers can't just mow them down, can they?
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They can in Texas
@@mrstatictunes and florida it encouraged
That’s an interesting point. However the vulnerable road user definition within the highway code flexes with the mode of transport. So a person on foot only will always be the most vulnerable, then cyclists, horse riders, motorcyclists etc then car and other vehicle drivers. There’s a clear heirarchy of who must give way or give priority to who.
Your protestors on the street always enjoy protection as inherently vulnerable road users, but in the Grey case, Grey was the vulnerable pedestrian to the cyclist who should not have been, for that very reason, travelling within the space of a pedestrian because of the risk of harm she could have done to people on foot. If Grey had stepped out into the road, she would have had automatic right of way over car drivers as a more vulnerable road user. Hope that makes sense.
Actually, they can. After 'protesters' started dragging people out of their cars and beating them, florida and texas made yall speedbumps
The pedestrian made deliberate contact with the cyclist. As a result of that, the cyclist rode off the sidewalk and crashed into the street where she was hit by a motor vehicle and died on the scene. Meanwhile the pedestrian simply walked away. The pedestrian caused the unnecessary death.
The cyclist could have stopped or swerved away from traffic and been on her way. Aggressive finger wagging!
@@darthmcgee2216Could she? Evidently not.
The video is clear in showing the cyclist lost her balance and fell into the road prior to the pedestrian making physical contact with her. I'm not defending the pedestrian, who I do believe at least contributed to the cyclist's death, but to suggest that the physical contact is why the cyclist fell is simply false and contradictory to the video footage.
Nice theory. But even the prosecution didn't consider the contact relevant. And very unclear if it was deliberate.
@@skyhawk_4526 It is truly remarkable, the people claiming the cyclist was "pushed," or the pedestrian "walked into" the cyclists path. The video apparently means nothing to them. One wonders how the human brain works sometimes, and God save us if they ever get called as a juror.
When my mother was alive in her last two years I lived with her. She was a horrible person and she felt she had to be the sickest person anywhere (but she would spend her days gambling or shopping). One day I took her grocery shopping and at the store there was another old woman who was using a walker. As we went through the store she obsessively bitched about what a show that woman with the walker was putting on for others and how she (my mother) had way worse health than her. Later as we passed the old woman who was looking at hot dogs my mother (who was now about 25 feet away from me) walked up behind her and without warning lunged forward and checked her right in the back forcing her to faceplant into the hot dog sections. She said "excuse me" and then walked off with a smile. The old woman didn't appear to be hurt (was immediately helped up) and we walked off. Just another in a long line of psychopathic busts of evil that she unleashed over her life. It doesn't surprise me at all that this horrible old woman thought nothing about killing a vulnerable victim. Who knows how many deaths attributed as accidents or unknown causes each one of these evil people wrack up in their lifetime. How a person does one thing is how they do everything. I doubt she killed just once.
Too few of us are mindful that our actions impact others. Some of us don’t care. Sorry about your life with a difficult mother.
So sorry you know people CAN truly be evil from such personal experience. Keep sharing your story though. I think it's important for the people trying to distance themselves from reality.
Sending 💓
So sorry to hear you had a mother like that, seems like you are a good person, i wish you well..
Thanks Dan, i really enjoyed your story !! Which is probably why i am on this channel. Also i am truly relieved hotdog lady was ok 😁
My sister works in a nursing home & she says that dementia type symptoms make a persons personality go to the opposite.
So the once kind & benevolent person turns into a bitchy witch that the family members are shocked seeing because he never showered malevolence in their lives ever
Looks like she deliberately moved into the rider’s path to make contact. She was the aggressor. Very selfish to purposely put the rider in danger and never try to make room.
You never know what people are going to do! She's walking in the CENTER of the sidewalk, acting like she owns it.
I mean. She took up the whole sidewalk
Its a side walk..walk being the keyword.... its a footpath for foot traffic, if ur over 12 and caught riding on a sidewalk, its a traffic offence.. if your caught riding on the roads without following the road laws same applies
@@kevinkirwin3561no cop is gonna stop u let alone arrest u for riding on the sidewalk, unless their pd sees no action or just bullies
@@capolean2902 i dont disagree but they are laws none the less
Everyoene missed the point of Aurial having brain surgery and can no longer see on the right side of her placment. It is not a simple a covering the right eye and say she can not see the right side; it is the entire field of vision on her right side is gone.
Keep that in mind.
With the right side of her vision gone, she is walking on the sidewalk not knowing where the buildings, fences, doors, trash cans and other obstacles that would be on her right side. Thus for her safety, she is walking in the middle of the block. When she turns her head or body to the right, then she can see what is there with her left side of vision. Thus for her it is a necessity for her to walk on the middle of the block
Think: Your right side of vision is blacked out, you on a clear area of your left vision walking down the block when some person on a bicycle is heading towards you from your left side. What are you going to do?..
I was in Aurea’s corner until she left the scene. That is horrific to me. To leave a woman hit by a car in the street right next to you is callous beyond belief.
I felt this way too, but I think technically, she didn't commit a crime. She seems like a terrible person, but I don't think she's a criminal.
Her heartless decision to leave is irrelevant to the accident and shouldn’t be a factor.
The fact is the old lady fell because she had terrible balance and made poor decisions.
She could have slowed down. Come to a complete stop. Gotten off her bike and walk. Turn around. Ride on the street. Aureas actions would not cause a healthy biker to fall onto the street. A healthy biker would have also made the right choices to not be in a position where they could become unbalanced and fall. This is a classic woman moment of “look what you made me do”. Zero accountability for making the wrong choices and having bad balance. Cars are expected to be mindful of bikers on the street. And bikers are expected to be mindful of pedestrians on sidewalks. It’s not Aurea’s fault the old lady overreacted to the hand gestures. And if the hand gestures were to bad, why did she not stop sooner. Aurea’s only found guilty because she was a rude person. But she’s entitled to be rude it’s her god given right damnit 😤 🇺🇸
@@rumchata6569
I agree to a point but she stayed in the cyclist's path on purpose and waved her hand at her, as if to push her away, knowing there was traffic just on the other side of her. That makes her partly responsible for the cyclist falling over into traffic. Yes, the cyclist should've stopped after seeing how crazy the pedestrian was behaving but maybe she thought she could get around her.
It was a power trip, or in this case a power push. With a duping delight grin, the perp then went shopping. Somebody paid for her life of Misery.
Zero understanding for any accident or struggle the woman on the bike may have been having with her bike? Its like a car pulling over for a problem and someone being able to kick it back into traffic.
Auriol stated in an interview that she “touched her” … so she actually made contact with the bicyclist causing her to fall into the road. Any rational person on the sidewalk would self-preserve and move to the side if they really felt a threat. But I guess you just don’t know who’s missing a portion of their brain.
Not. She said she may have touched her with fingertips.
Either way, stay off the sidewalk while riding a bike
Exactly
That's a lie. Her fingers touching the victim did not cause her to fall, she would have fallen exactly the same if Auriol's fingers hadn't have touched while she was doing "move aside" gestures.
The prosecutor's wording is crafted to be misleading as hell, and to make Auriol sound as awful as possible so people will even think of their own way to interpret in his favour. Dr Grande included a few of the prosecutor's doosies, he basically treated it like a "manipulate the jury" challenge to get a conviction on a technicality.
It's not for nothing that Auriol's appeal succeeded and that the prosecutor was also outright denied the chance to retry the case at all.
If someone can cause you to fall into traffic with a fingertip you shouldn’t be riding a bike. Sorry. That’s ridiculous
I got the impression that her shouting "get off the fu$#ing pavement and waving her hand intimidated Cecilia that Aureila was going to maybe strike her - causing her to lose balance and fall.
Have just viewed the security camera footage on other websites- shows a little more camera angle - Auriol pivots body to push woman on bicycle into traffic. A danger to society ! ;(
She pushed her in front of the car, you can see her foot come up as she turns and changes her center of balance. This lady needs to be in prison and not on the streets.
Yes I agree you can pretty much see she pushed her. She basically pushed her off that bike and I can't see how this resulted in a mistral at first.
I feel no sympathy for her disabled or not. She can fuck off.
it's so tragic. imagine choosing to ride on the sidewalk to avoid being hit by a car, only to end up being hit by a car because you rode on the sidewalk.
Murphy’s law
Bikes aren't supposed to be on sidewalks. If you can't ride on the street, then you shouldn't be riding at all.
I agree this is a very challenging case. I believe she acted inappropriately however I do think accusing her of manslaughter is a stretch. You are correct as a former UK resident I can testify that there is a big feud between cyclist and pedestrians.
@@johndrake3472 it's not that cyclists can't ride in the street. it's that they might die in the street. lol. safety trumps law.
It's called a "pavement" and it is not legal to cycle on in the UK.
To clarify, in the UK, it is illegal to cycle on the pavement. However, in practice, the law isn't typically enforced. In my opinion, we should show some patience and kindness, especially to more vulnerable cyclists such as the old or the very young.
Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835 states that bikes are legally allowed to be ridden on the sidewalk/pavement in the UK.
Were I live in Canada, it is ilegal for anyone over 18 to ride a bike on a sidewalk. For example, I was walking by my local library, and a man who was in his 30-40 was ridding a bike one handed on the sidealk and using his phone with the other. He was bikeing directly towards a woman with a newborn in a carage. I jumped in, and the guy hit me with his bike wheel a few feet infort of the woman. If i was not so furious, I would have got his details to report him. But i was just happy the baby was safe. He, under my local laws, could be charged with a few crimes. Assult ans battery being some. I have knowticed that it is 90% men who are obviously over 18 on the sidewalks in my town. And cuaseing the issues I see. (I walk a lot). Inthink we should have plates on bikes like with cars. To report issues. My town also y many bike lanes not part of the road and places for bike ridders. So there is no excuse.
I don't like the idea of bikes on sidewalks but I really don't like the idea of children and seniors riding in the road, especially a road like this with no shoulders.
It is fully legal for, in the UK children to ride on the pavement up to the age of 10. No other age concessions are available. So a new law for OAP cyclists would be a great idea.
In this case, the police could not clarify whether that particular stretch of pavement was a shared use cycle/foot path or not. Of course, if it wasn't then it would've added some weight to the argument. I'm presuming that there may have been some sparsely positioned signage. Probably in such a way that it is difficult to determine where it starts and finishes'. that pavement would've been adequate, by the width. I've seen some shared use paths where it was difficult to even walk past somebody so cycling was impossible to do safely.
@@pariacanyon Whoopsie daisy . "Cycling on the footway in England and Wales is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888."
There are lots of stories from the U.K. with similar outcomes. There doesn’t seem to be justice in the U.K. The woman intentionally acting aggressively and caused to death of another person and was sentenced to 3 years! A human life in the U.K. is worth 3 years. Shameful.
I notice you don't mention anything about cyclists riding carelessly on pedestrian walkways, striking a pedestrian who subsequently dies of their injuries. Two of these incidents in the last week alone in UK, one victim was a toddler. There are always two sides to a story, but of course you only see one. Lets hope your children and/or grandchildren are safe on sidewalks.
If cyclists saw that pedestrian was not moving or gave room, they needed to slow down or stop.
Do a video about Samuel Landis, the DEA agent that intentionally ran a stop sign. He hit Marganne Allen, 53, a married mom on her bicycle, and he now wants police immunity. He said he was late and needed to catch up with the DEA surveillance team.
Now you're talking. I hope Dr.Grande does heed your suggestion. I couldn't think of a better case video topic for him to do & analyse. Personally, I'm equally torn by mixed feeling of knowing how important it is for the DEA to move efficiently on fresh evidence because it can literally mean months of work down the drain if they don't act before that fleeting window of opportunity closes & the suspect weasels out of it, but I also believe in driving standards & putting the general publics safety & health in jeopardy , especially in this day & age of having the many high tech communication options right at their finger tips , just to rendezvous with colleagues is unacceptable.
As a cyclist who cannot drive, people seem to forget that the person on the bike is a person with family, friends, hopes, and dreams. Every day, before I get onto my bike, I say a prayer that I will make it home alive. Every day. I'm 51 years old, and in 2008, I nearly lost my right leg in a hit-and-run, but I was very lucky, and with physio, I got back on that bike. I love cycling, and I hope to cycle for another 25 years. I do hope that drivers learn to see to the person on the bike before being annoyed by the inconvenience of sharing the road with a bike. In fairness, if there were more people cycling, drivers might be more comfortable and considerate to people on bikes.
@@carpathianken Ya, there was no imminent danger to the agents, so no reason to drive recklessly. He should go to prison, just like any citizen would. He also should be fired.
@@RullXov 👍👍
The difference is he ran a red light which is actually against the law.
In the UK it's against the law cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) But it's not really against the law to wave your arms around however The argument is that her actions directly led to the cyclists death even if those actions by themselves are not illegal and even though the cyclist was legally in the wrong to begin with.
That's why it's more complicated here.
I hate cases like this. Neither party was without fault and now a person is dead. Also spare a thought for the driver of the car. Such a tragic accident.
She could see the cars coming, she's not that incapacitated if she is out walking.
Cold and callous to leave and go shopping.
Poor driver.
She affected the life of two others with her madness.
@@rosec6680 my thought is either way she’s dangerous right? Either maliciously or due to her mental incapacity, the result was the same, someone died. What else will she “accidentally” do roaming free in public?
yea, and that driver has to pay for it too, im sure no one else had insurance.
It's a shared space. Legally. Celia was well within her rights to cycle there.
Best comment here.
The lady on the bicycle could have stopped but she didn't and it was a freak accident
There are many people who need a high level of supervision.
Being angry at someone for one moment in time should not end in that person's death. That person is someone's parent, sibling, child, spouse, etc. I feel so bad for the family and loved ones of Celia. RiP
"should not end that person's life" is what you meant to say, or "should not have resulted in a person's death".
I'm pretty sure sure she said what she meant. Doesn't your comment end with the same conclusion?@@langleywallingford260
I don't understand how her being mad at the woman and waving her hands caused her death, though? The cyclist should have stopped and turned around or gone around her. Why would she continue barreling her bicycle towards a pedestrian? Doesn't make any logical sense.
@@langleywallingford260oh nice 👍
"Should not". But it still might. Have you never lost your temper?
That’s a tough one. I teach my kids to ride on the sidewalk when no bike lane. But, to yield to pedestrians and just get off and walk it if there’s a confrontation.
Children riding for play is a horse of a different color than adults riding.
@@marlenestewart7442 no one said it was for play, children have to get places too. Always ride on the sidewalk when it is not safe to ride on the road, adult or no, playing or no.
This is my understanding.
It's against the law to cycle on a pavement in the UK as far as I know from living in London. If you ask me I feel funny about that law given how dangerous the roads can be for cyclists especially less confident ones.
Edit: Yeah I checked, it's backed by the Highway Act 1835 and it's under Highway Code Rule 64
In my personal experience, people don't care quite often. It's not a major law and police usually just say get off the pavement, you aren't allowed to cycle there. So one will definitely see people breaking this one regularly. Also it's not a severely publicised law either.
It is actually illegal in many cities and counties to ride on sidewalks
I was out for a late night bike ride with my cousin on a trail. It was dark outside and a girl who was with her bf yelled out saying this is a walking pathway. Clearly she is a ditz because it's a shared walking/biking path. They have this on wooded areas.
Thank you Dr. Grande for another informative and entertaining video. ❤❤
Whatever happened to “love your neighbor as yourself”? All these two women needed to do was say “good morning” and be on their way.
The officials released an incompetent person into an unknowing public, the death of a beloved wife, sister, aunt, grandmother, friend, neighbor was the result.
Right??
Cyclist was endangering herself and everyone on the pavement (sidewalk). You should be able to walk safely on a sidewalk without any kind of vehicle coming at you.
@@htmc2022please explain how a bicycle was going to hurt a pedestrian in a 7 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK! Are you stupid?, or just selfish like the old lady in this video? She pushed her into traffic and then went grocery shopping!
@htmc2022 I respectfully disagree that riding a bike on a sidewalk is wrong. Children ride their bikes on sidewalks. Should they be forced into the street and put in danger so that people can walk "safely"?
Gotta think about it from all angles.
This woman was disabled enough to live alone, argue with many people and curse at her elder. Don’t care, think she should have done more time and maybe she’d learn some manners. Poor lady that died and her family
Yes and normally I hate when people are riding on the sidewalk however when I see an older person do it I have enough sense to understand that they are doing so as it's safer. She may have been disabled but the victim was elderly. That woman is just miserable.
Manners?
Surprised that more attention wasn’t paid the cerebral palsy of the perp. Sure she was able to live on her own but people with CP face their own mobility challenges. Grande did do a good job of balancing the case. Thus is a tragedy all around. The cyclist lost her life and the perp lost over a year in prison before he condition was reversed.
Agree, she lived a life of privilege, of getting her way. Even the jury were afraid they'd be seen as unsympathetic towards the mentally disabled. I'm sure Areal knew this too and tried to milk it. Eventually they gave in!
Disgusting. She needs to be in prison. We can't let the public believe that a disability gives you a golden pass to behave however you want and to police other people!
@@stevenblackwood6097 CP does not cause one to be a bully tho, which she has a history of with others in the area. I feel there could have been 20 feet between them and she still would have been yelling and cursing, it's unfortunate she was close enough to try and push her off her bike. I do agree with the mobility issues but the cyclist had some as well, hence why she was puttering slowly on the sidewalk rather than risk the road. The deciding factor for me in this is how she arrogantly went off shopping without checking on the woman or offering help....that is entitlement and cruelty and shows her nature and it wasn't due to her feeling scared because of mobility issues.
Moving your hand or arm in a non threatening way is not a crime.
I believe this IS manslaughter amd here's why- If Celia was not killed by this horrible tragedy, it would have resulted in Auriol being criminally charged anyway. I think a jury would have easily convicted on the lesser crime, but struggled with the much greater charge of manslaughter for the wrong reasons. It was judicially sound.
People with this type of conditions are MASSIVELY bullied all throughout their lives. They are always on the defensive. Sad story
its not defense when you make the contact, and dont attempt to defensively move out of the way. you never played sports did you? if you had, youd know the difference between offense and defense.
Not completely true. The more successful people with the condition (CP) adapt. Those less successful go around with a chip on their shoulder.
Son of a senior British judge here. In my father's view, some cases are simply evenly balanced. This is probably why the first jury was hung. That's life I'm afraid - the law isn't always cut and dried.
True that.
The odd part is I have murders granted what I think is called diminished responsibility in the UK and receive ridiculously light sentences. How was this woman not granted that to begin with considering her mental disability
Seems like it's the biker's fault for not driving safely. Pedestrian was quite an idiot, but, it's the biker that was going too fast.
British law at least
It wasnt even though, was it? I work with learning disability residents and they still understand right from wrong. They know aggression is negative. They know not to threaten people verbally or physically. Murder wasnt the intent, but to harass and bully certainly was
He says I'm not diagnosing then always go on to diagnose haha love it Dr big.
Genuinely curious: If you were walking on a bridge and a stranger suddenly told you to jump and you decided to to so, would that constitute manslaughter?
Just because someone yells at you angrily and tell you to do something it doesn't mean you are compelled to obey, and if there is an obvious risk involved, like jumping off a bridge or veering your bike into the roadway unsafely, can the person yelling and gesticulating really be blamed for it? There is no expectation that the cyclist should obey, like there would be an expectation to obey a traffic cop. Even if you were a bitter and mean spirited individual and told a cyclist to get off the sidewalk you still wouldn't reasonably expect them to act in an unsafe manner. Now if the woman in question pushed or touched the cyclist or diverted from her expected path in order to obstruct the cyclist to force them off the road then that I think would be manslaughter
Extraordinary how many people seem completely unable to distinguish between "I don't like this person" and "this person violated the law".
I think there's quite a bit of 'I don't like this person who clearly violated the law' TBH, and that's taking away from the sympathy that might have helped with the debate of intent....
Pushing old ladies into oncoming traffic is in fact violating the law here in the UK believe it or not.
Hum isn’t killing someone violating the law where you live? Do you think that she didn’t know that making her fall in the traffic would probably kill her?…
@@Devi_Seona it seems that this person is not capable of knowing the difference. That's why she continued on her way, having no clue what she'd caused
A 77-year-old woman shouldn't be riding a bike near traffic. But Auriol is a mean nasty person.
I'm a cyclist. Never ride a bicycle on a pedestrian sidewalk, unless there is specific signage allowing it. Never ride a bicycle across a crosswalk. Either walk the bicycle or ride on the road.
Good advice, but that doesn't justify a pedestrian pushing a cyclist into traffic
@@adrianmizen5070 1) Yes it does if you're pushing them out of the way of crashing into you while they're illegally on the pavement riding into you, 2) Nobody pushed anyone here anyway. So both wrong and irrelevant.
@@gavinjenkins899 we found the Volkswagen driver--it must be you
As a cyclist you must know drivers don’t care about your legal right or duty to ride on the road. They will swear at you and tell you to get on the sidewalk and drive you off the road. That street looked way too dangerous for any old lady to be riding her bicycle on regardless of what the law says. The problem is people are selfish and lack comparison and common sense. She could have easily moved to the side to allow the bike by and not hide behind the law to act like a bully.
In many parts of the world it is permitted to ride on the sidewalk and often recommended.
I am fed up with cyclists on the pavement nearly running into me and nearly knocking me over and my elderly mother. How many people have been injured due to cyclists who SHOULD NOT BE ON THE PAVEMENT!!
The woman had no control over her bike. I've often seen cyclists on the busy sidewalk just ride quickly towards me and expect me to jump out of the way for them.
because they are too lazy to get off their bike and push a few meters.
And some are unable to operate the brakes and then swerve around in panic when an obstacle comes up.
That's also a problem with many cyclists - they don't seem to be physically able to operate their bike...
Wow she walks off to buy groceries, she KNEW Celia was in serious trouble yet she doesn't help 😡
I don't know about the situation in the US, but here in the UK, cyclists riding on pavements (the sidewalks) are a real problem. Electric bikes/scooters have made this problem even worse due to their high speeds.
A big part of the problem is the non enforcement of the law against vehicles being ridden on the footway.
I think it's the speeds that's the real problem on shared paths. IIRC there is, or was, a limit IIRC on shared paths of 12mph. I don't use them because I usually go as fast as that or faster. Personally I stick to roads, in the UK even most cycle paths/lanes where pedestrians are not supposed to go are crap- full of glass, and dangerous at junctions- and often pedestrians wandering in and out of them. And don't get me started about pedestrians walking dogs off lead or on long leads on cycle tracks, they're lethal.
Funnily enough in the U.S. it’s the opposite- you’re supposed to remain on the pavement as much as possible with as little interaction on the road as possible (non designated bike lane roads, however when designated you’re meant to use) and you’re supposed to come to a complete stop or veer entirely off onto the grass when a pedestrian is on the same path.
Yes it is the same here. The cyclists don't want to go in the road because it is so dangerous (and it is) for various reasons. One of which is cars are angry the slower bikes are in their way. So the cyclists go on the sidewalk and then they treat the pedestrians on the sidewalk same as the motorists treat them. Living in the city it is not uncommon to have a bike fly by you from behind that you are completely unaware of. They know that if you stepped to the side(not knowing they were coming) they would crash into you and they don't care. You are in there way. There is no communal connection anymore. The propaganda from the media has created all these fake communities and pitted them against each other. The black community gay, feminist, liberal,...People are just too stupid. Just think of how stupid the average person is and realize half the people are stupider than that. George Carlin.
I’m disabled and move very slowly; walking is painful. In the last decade I’ve had four pavement cyclists collide with me and then hurl abuse at me for being in their way. This is a terrifying barrier to leaving my home.
As a cyclist I always had to complain about car drivers.
And now I am into walking. Some cyclist are rude with pedestrians, as if they were car drivers.
The human being 😢
Yes. Too many people are just plain rude and inconsiderate whether they are walking, riding or driving.
Yeah, humanity is 🚮.
I always ride my bike on the sidewalk to be honest, near my house. But I ride really slowly and give all walking people way. And if it's busy I walk besides my bike. It's just a very big shortcut. But where I live people are really tolerant and we look out for each other.
The thing is it's only 1 in a 100 that are aholes and cause all the problems. Most People live and let live and go on thier way.
@@Zeepjeliefsyou’re a great role model. I see so many cyclist abuse me to get out of their way whilst I walk on a footpath. But in this video, I truly feel awful for this particular cyclist.
She was from a wealthy family , but lived on welfare ? There are a lot of things that contributed to the death .
The status or social class of Auriols family are of no consequence. Theres many different levels of wealth. Her family may have been decayed gentry, barely able to hang on to their old family home.
Putting Auriol on welfare, which is her right as a special needs, just enabled the family to salvage some of their capitol. I'm sure they'd spent a fortune on her as she grew up.
Looks similar to pushing her into a train, in this case into traffic that Auriol saw coming and the victim did not.
do you mean in front of a train?
@@mjowsey yes, like right as it's arriving. so into the front part of the train.
Glad you kept the snark out of this one. Sad case all around. The perpetrator’s mental disability factors in, in a big way, to her ability to foresee the consequences of her actions.
A disabled person should not have her safety threatened by a cyclist. Cyclists can cause injury to someone on foot, and need to choose the safety of others over their own arrogance. That said, Auriel could also have gotten off to the side to avoid getting hit. All very sad. I missed the snark factor tbh.
@user-kl8lo6rj5i stop defending murderous Karens
I also wonder if her great visual distortion and social isolation contributed to this event.
I may be wrong but people can survive 1/2 of their brain removed due to epilepsy treatment (or functionally, stroke),but when 1/2 of the visual field is wiped out so does 1/2 of their universe.
This has been proven when patients of this sort draw a portrait of someone, they only draw half of a face . To them the other half doesn't exist. This is a tremendous disability, and may have contributed to her fear of the bicycle.
She wasn't too disabled to LIE to police, leave the scene and own the sidewalk!
I like his snark, in other videos. He knows when to use it. I love his dry humour.
I’m a mental health social worker and I work with many people with disabilities who are angry at the world and often attack others due to their antisocial attitudes. They should be held accountable. They most often know right from wrong, and they need others to work to earn the taxes used for their care and activities they participate in daily. Everyone has their problems, but to them, theirs are the only ones that matter. We can’t eliminate disabilities, but their lifestyles are better than ever, so these sorts of people need to be less angry at others and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
This is a great point that a lot of people fail to understand. I'm in law enforcement and have been for about 25 years. I also deal with mentally ill individuals on a daily basis. As you said, nearly all mentally ill people do know the difference between right and wrong and act accordingly, knowing the consequences for criminal behavior. When these people commit crimes, they nearly always know what they are doing is wrong and will result in harm and arrest. High levels of psychosis will override this, but it's actually rare in the grand scheme of things as most people with a diagnosed mental disorder do not actually engage in behaviors that physically harm others because they can appreciate that such actions are harmful in the same way that people without a mental disorder can do so. Plenty of mentally ill people commit crimes, but to excuse the crime by virtue of the defendant's mental illness diagnosis is often defense lawyer propaganda to deceive the courts. I know this by talking to mentally ill suspects after they have committed crimes. Most of the time, they admit knowing their actions were unlawful and therefore wrong. It's only in maybe 1 in 100 cases where a mentally ill person is so psychotic that they truly cannot understand the wrongfulness of their actions. (The same is true for children who commit serious crimes.)
It is a conundrum, the right of the mentally ill to exist in our society and the right to expect adult decisions from adults.
She's neurologically impaired due to having half her brain removed, not to mention having cerebral palsy. Mental illness is something else entirely.
Finally two great comments in a row ! 👍👍
Sad that we have to live in countries run by judges , lawyers , psychiatrists , psychologists who run cover for criminals.
I agree that the disabled live better lives now than ever before. But lets not forget that people with mental defects only fare well if they're properly trained from a young age. If they don't receive proper training, and are mistreated, their personalities will develop accordingly.
This woman, Auriol, was tormented as a child, on a daily basis. Her young bullies and tormentors, of her hometown, appear never to have been held to account. If you accept the theory that she actually pushed the old lady into traffic, then those kids who bullied her as a child deserve much of the moral responsibility.
One factor you didn't mention is Auriol's impaired vision. It is not necessarily the case that she could tell that there was enough room on the pavement for a cyclist to pass. She might not have seen the VW coming. And so forth.
I too have severely impaired vision, and I make my way through the world using a lot of adaptive strategies. I'm good enough at these that many people don't realize how little I'm actually seeing, and then get angry with me when I don't respond appropriately to something "obvious". I suspect that is what happened in this case.
Cyclist needs to stop when they see a pedestrian on a sidewalk. She saw her quite far to be able to stop without falling
Agreed, I used to cycle in a major city in Canada. If you have to go on the sidewalk you dismount. This lady didn’t and she lost her life for her recklessness.
I don’t think Grey is necessarily a nice person but to blame her for this other ladies death when that lady was performing illegal and dangerous acts with her riding, is absolute nonsense
I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so.
Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.
There was ample room for her to move to her right. She caused the death of that woman and should have been charged.
Was there ample room? In the video, it appeared they met at a narrower portion of the walkway due to a post (lamp post?).
She def sought for a confrontation and conflict. If I fear being hit by a bicycle, i will def not step infront of it.
A: a pedestrian has right of way and does not need to move to the side. B: cycling on the sidewalk is illegal in London so she shouldnt have been there in the first place.
@@PaulStevens-se9lc Sleeping on the streets is also illegal in Britain so I guess I can shove the homeless into traffic as well then?
@@Fuzzira You make a good point. Sidewalks are more than 7 feet wide, that pedestrian could have easily side stepped to let the cyclist past but, no she had to do the homicidal dog act & force the cyclist to her death
and what exactly is her crime? gesturing and telling someone to get off the sidewalk with her bike? If she didn't make physical contact with the bike rider, I see no crime here. If there's a DA trying to take this to trial, they need to be fired. It's an accident where a woman lost her balance and fell into the road.
Bicyclists think they own the road, sidewalks, etc. I have no sympathy when they get wrecked for being a turd. The pedestrian in this case happened to be crazy... wrong place, wrong pedestrian.
Bicyclists, also pay taxes that help build sidewalks, and they also at times walk on sidewalks, so who are you to deny anyone on a sidewalk?
As a physician, I was struck by the extent of this woman's disability. She had poor vision along with impaired emotional and physical functioning due to her brain surgery. Her behavior can be explained by her disability and should have been taken into account by the court. I am surprised Dr Grande did not mention this in his analysis.
(Joan here). Same surprise here. I was actually going to make this comment. Plus her own experiences in the past with scooters on the sidewalk and bullying and the like - she would have been "informed" by these experiences and been primed accordingly.
I thought the exact same things and I'm not even a physician. It seemed very obvious to me. I have an autistic child and see similarities where, she will do something without thinking and then when I get angry at her, she will just say "sorry" because she doesn't even remember what she did. And if someone falls and gets hurt in front of her, she will continue to do what she was already doing. It's not that she is heartless or cold, that is just how her brain works. Same with Auriol in this video. I've seen another Dr. Grande analysis and I have not been impressed.
I agree to a great extent. This woman seems to have led a lonely life full of difficulty. Where I disagree is your assumption that the court never took her disabilities into account when sentencing her. I think the judge took this into account as manslaughter normally carries a much larger sentence than 3 years. What is disappointing is this was ever charged in the first place (and this has nothing to do with the court).
Nah, it shouldn't be considered. You people are the types that allow serial killers to walk free because they're "neurodiverse"
Because a person is disabled doesnt make them a saint.
Cyclists aren't just a danger to pedestrians, they also often violate motor vehicle's right of way too. People seem to believe they're in some law free zone when they get on a bike...
Funny thing is it's not the kids doing this crap either, it's adults, and usually the older the more obtuse they are to traffic laws.
''motor vehicle's right of way'' - you just made that up.
@@mrn8645Huh? You've never heard of "the right of way"? It's talked about in the study guides at the DMV here in RI. Or at least it was when I got my drivers permit back in the day.
It basically means that in certain situations. Like when pulling out into traffic from a private driveway. The car already in the roadway has "the right of way".
And in the case of an accident. The driver who pulled out will be "at fault". And the driver who had "the right of way" is basically always "not at fault".
They use it in boating also. But it's obviously a lot different. And relates to things like the size of the boat. If it's powered vs if it's using sail power. Being on the proper side of a channel marker. And even the area you're in. Like under a bridge for instance. ✌️
@@amb3cog - that's nice... but back to the point of cyclists ''violating a driver's right of way''...
She is obviously guilty. Waving someone off into traffic causing death is murder.
You can wave all day it doesn't mean you have to adhere to the request. She could have easily went to the other side of the sidewalk as well.
I am a cyclist in London and even though I avoid city centre, occasionally I have to escape onto pavement for safety from large trucks where roads are narrow, in that case I lower my speed significantly. Some sidewalks are shared, both pedestrians and cyclist are allowed there. There are signs to help you see that cycling is allowed. I read about this incident in a news paper. The driver a woman who struck Cecilia, suffered posttraumatic stress and depression as a result of this incident and that ruined her marriage that ended in a divorce.
I'm a lifelong cyclist, usually sticking to the sidewalks, I think it's the cyclist's responsibility to avoid hazards and think ahead. I've also had people strike me and pretend to strike me (which is assault) and avoiding them is part of the responsibility,
You ride a bike on the sidewalk? That's absolutely asinine. Jesus christ dude
@@Jeff-sp7bgcry about it
@@poindextertunesyou’re alone. Or your girl is not HWP. Prove me wrong.
@@Jeff-sp7bg No is not, specially if it’s a wide sidewalk with no pedestrians. Much better to avoid a Car accidents in roads that don’t provide a bike lane.
@@Jeff-sp7bg It depends. I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so.
Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.
Watched the BBC report when this news first aired -- a cyclist goes right past the reporter, on the pavement...
I've read that in that street they are supposed to share the pavement with pedestrian- so it's legal
Bicycles, except when ridden by children, should be on the road, if on the sidewalk cyclist, need to dismount. This cyclist was riding on the sidewalk at her own risk.
@@bobl1769 You have dumb logic. If someone rides on the sidewalk, it doesnt mean that any unlawful act that occurs to them is their fault.
@@bobl1769that’s stupid, why put yourself in the path of traffic when there is a sidewalk. People need to be more courteous.
@@OptimusSatanas The pedestrian has right of way in those situations.
You should do audiobooks of bedtime stories. You're not boring but I keep having naps halfway through longer videos cause you sound so chill.
I would just like to add that this is a great story that a lot of us might have a chance to benefit from knowing about. thank you for a story which may help anyone who reads it to make better choices when the opportunity presents itself in our lives.
The bullies from before made a mind set of grievance. Imo this is a part of the tragedy.
I feel the same. If this woman lived in Bali, she would not receive any bullying in the community, and her hostility levels would never have ramped up. It is a bloody tragedy all round and I feel for everyone involved and affected, including the poor driver.
Was she actually bullied though?
I think there's a more likely possibility that she was the bully
People would ride their bikes, she would try to take over the entire footpath and she would refer to all interactions as bullying.
I think she often tries to force bikes off the sidewalk and often shoves them. This is just the first time it resulted in death
@@natashamcmullen6559so you think a 46 year old mentally and physically disabled women hasn't endured a lifetime of bullying? I'm not excusing her from all culpability, but it cannot be dismissed as a factor... and she did end up staying in jail for a while. If you think modern English culture (and particularly its youth) could hold a candle to the level of kindness and empathy of the Balinese, you obviously haven't been here. My point is she never would have ended up that hostile living here🙏
To be clear, I went to.. well I won't say which primary school. I have equal fault, or credit regarding her death (as the bullies, or as the disgusting land whale). Maybe the bullies wouldn't have bullied if I didn't go to that primary school many years ago on the other side of the world. Everything is part of this tragedy, this tragedy is part of everything.
I agree. She was always on the defense.
Notice how the pedestrian was walking in the middle of the "pavement" and making no attempt to share the sidewalk. To me, this showed an attitude of "owning" the whole of the sidewalk, and a clear intent that she was not about to give the cyclist room - and had every intention blocking her and/or forcing her into the street. Then, as the cyclist passed, she very clearly "assisted" her into traffic. There was plenty of room for both ladies, but no, this "entitled" pedestrian was going to make a point - with deadly consequences. Then, she fled the scene with wanton disregard for the injury she caused and then lied to police. She deserves a lot more than three years IMHO.
Celia needed to slow down in this situation.
Blaming the lobotimized handicapped lady lmao
You stop your bike when in doubt
@@rickytarkowski6564clearly, but that does not change the clear intention of Auriol to cause harm.
Doesn't matter! That makes her guilty of being an asshole, not a murderer!
It's against the law to ride your bike on the pavement. If breaking the law results in someone's death you're at fault, even if it's your own death. Legally this isn't even a brain teaser. She's not guilty of manslaughter.
That woman directly caused the death of another person because she thought she was right and they were wrong. She has her reward… every one knows her.
I agree with your opinion 100% on this one. The only victims here were the older biker & the car driver.
Even though riding a bicycle is AGAINST THE LAW AND A DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS ? After all, pedestrians are not permitted to walk in the centre of the road are they? However, the "Entitled ones" such as cyclists think they can do no wrong don't they.....
@@christopherfitzgerald774 if it was a child that she pushed into the road would you have the same opinion & defense?
@@hahna77 Hypotheticals are of no use in this discussion as no-one knows what the lady would have thought or done in any situation except the one that occurred, so stop trying to muddy the waters.
The driver is the culprit, not the victim. Had he been driving responsibly, he would have been able to stop. Pedestrians can cross or fall into traffic without warning - bicyclists can do so a lot more quickly. Not only did the driver _not_ slow down when he saw a bicyclist on collision course with a pedestrian, he was actually driving over the limit - 35 in a 30 mph zone. The driver was inattentive.
@@itskarl7575 he is the smallest part of this tragedy
Oh my goodness I couldn’t believe you actually looked at a case which is 30 minutes from me here in uk!! Thank you dr grande
What do the locals think?
Gotta love Dr. Grande!
I can't take it anymore with these one liners!😂😂😂
I'm still stuck on a few videos back when the HAT WAS STRETCHED TO THE MAX!
Another piece exculpatory evidence is the fact that Aurielle is mentally impaired. That factor informs all of her behaviours. She was being accosted by individuals on scooters, teased because she is mentally impaired. I would say that her mental accuity is that of a 7/8 year old child. Her motivation was immediate, no mens rea. Plus the failed police investigation, which could not determine and gave no evidence to support the legality of the victim riding her bicycle on the pavement. The case could not be tried because the investigation was improper, and the court relied on conjecture, not fact, when determining the outcome of the case.
Irrelevant, a person still died.
I agree. She cannot be held to standards of what a “normal” person would know or do because she was not a normal person.
She gets the tard card. Google Chris Chan.
Agreed. Doctor is way off on this one, and the comments are staggering. A half-blind disabled person waved at someone and killed them? Give me a break. Tragic accident, nothing more.
@@cknut-rw2dm If she's not ''normal'' why is she allowed out unaccompanied? Why hasn't she a carer to protect the public from her rages?
this is one of the most heartbreaking incidences i have ever come across.
you and the justice system missed out on two things which were stated in the begining. Auriol was born with celebral palsy and had epileptic seizures, needing removal or separation and disconnection of the left side of her brain from the right. This left her with weakness on her right side and loss of vision on her right side. Thus everything to her she could not see on the right side unless she turned around to see it with her left eye. Thus she could ot judge the distance of where she is on the block in relations to the buildings and other structures and needed to be around the center of the block as to not walk into buildings, structures, opening doors that she would not be able to see.
2) The left side of the brain is where Logic, mathematical, pattern recognition, music, rational thought , judgement of right and wrong and intellect lies. Without it she is now "running on her right side which is responsible for emotions, art, non-linear abstract thinking and imagination lies. In a normal person, both sides control ech other. In a stroke patient, brain injury or brain surgery patient where the left side is lost, one becomes a very emotional, very reactive person without realizing what they are doing. Hence if Aeriol is guilty, she is guilty for reason of insanity because of her limited faculty and mental capability.
Personally I do not see her as guilty. Her handicap condition would preclude and protect her from such over aggressive prosecution. I see the driver of the VW as guilty for not stopping at a scene of an accident as he knew he hit the cyclist.
Here in the USA Bicycles are not allowed on the sidewalk unless the rider is under the age of 13. Our laws differs from UK laws. But here in the USA, the cyclist would be wrong in riding on he sidewalk.
Somebody owes Aeriol an apology and give her compensation for forcing her to be in prison, and the arrest and prison record eliminated from her record. After a case like this, what is next, blind person dog scares a child and the child runs int the street and gets run over and killed by a car, so eht blind person is arrested for manslaughter/homicide? That is where this case would lead.
A sidewalk is no place for a bicycle. Bicycles belong on the road.
How on earth can a case get to court and no one be able to figure out what the law actually is?
Exactly 💯
"Show me the person, I'll figure out a crime."
😮This reminds me of something that happened to me. While walking on the sidewalk in NYC, I decided to reach into my purse to get my sunglasses. I took maybe 2 steps to the right and stopped walking. I have a habit of making a Hollywood move and moving my left foot a few inches away from my body to sort of balance myself. As I was reaching in my purse, a man walking to my left, walking behind me, tripped over my foot and fell hard on the sidewalk. He had to 6'5" and 275 pounds. I felt so bad. I assume he was fine because he did get up, but not before he gave me a disgusted look. This reminded me of what happened here.
How about giving us a little bit of statistics on how many pedestrians are injured or killed by cyclists riding on the sidewalk? It does happen, and the victims are frequently the elderly.
In London cycling on pavements is not allowed regardless of whether people do it or not which they do on a regular basis however dedicated cycling lanes painted in blue mark where it is allowed.
That's a difficult one. Personally I think that, while she does live on her own, it doesn't mean she's capable of living on her own and without care. Very often, people with disabilities live on their own just because there is no care available or nobody wants to be the carer. And then things like this happen and people say she's fully responsible because she was living on her own, so that means she can be judged like anybody else.
She clearly is a lot to put up with and a danger for the community around her and should not be left on her own like this. Not for her own and certainly not for communities sake.
I've seen several people that are left without care despite disabilities and that are abrasive and exhausting. One lady walking around my workplace frequently accuses all of my male colleagues of being rapists, walks into a nursery and makes a fuss because nobody is considerate about her childlessness and she is blacklisted in all shops around. 😕
It is definitely a catch-22 situation. She probably should be more than in an assisted living situation, but proper supervised care is just not there.
Brain injury is a difficult thing, dramatically alters 'normal' behaviour. Obnoxious yes, fully responsible (due to the brain injury), I do not believe so.
She pushed an old lady into traffic then went shopping
That's cold-blooded
Pushed? Lol no that is a wild exaggeration
@@darthmcgee2216.. "she touched Celia" .. the woman on the bicycle lost control trying to avoid pedestrian who literally forced her off sidewalk by standing in the way.
but Auriel seems to have many internal issues.
sad case.
Nobody at any point even the prosecution, said she pushed anyone. You literally just made that up out of thin air.
@@emmapeel8163 Not getting out of the way of an illegal biker while I'm somewhere bikes are not allowed is not "forcing" anything. If you're eating at a cafe sitting at an outdoor table, and a biker starts biking straight at you, are you obligated to jump up, push the table out of the way, and make room? No? Weird. If the biker swerves to avoid your cafe table and hits a car, is that on you? No? Huh, interesting.
@@emmapeel8163
Given her anger issues and the foul-mouthed order she directed at the victim, I doubt that was merely a touch.
She walked at an angle -from her far right- as soon as she saw the cyclist. She wasn't gonna share the 7 feet, she purposely tried to keep her off the sidewalk. The fact that she didn't stay to check on Celia tells you all you need to know. She was happy she succeeded at getting one cyclist off the road.
"plenty of room" does that mean i can drive on the sidewalk if there is enough room ? Cyclists arent allowed on the sidewall unless youre a child. Cyclists cant have it both ways.
Under English law, a person is guilty of involuntary manslaughter when he or she intends an unlawful act that is likely to do harm to the person, and death results which was neither foreseen nor intended. Assault covers a range of actions, from using threatening words to a severe physical attack that leaves the victim permanently disabled. 0:30
Yeah but she was riding on the sidewalk and decided to try and squeeze by a person instead of stopping pretty dumb in my opinion def didn't deserve to die but to say tht old lady killed her is kind of crazy yea she may be an old hated Karen but tht doesn't change the fact the girl on the bike did a Risky and illegal maneuver on a sidewalk next to a busy street ....
But is barely brushing your hand against a biker as she swoops by you considered assault? In my book thats not assault, thats low level battery, or touching someone without their permission.
It was not a push or a shove. Certainly not "likely to do harm". The biker should have slowed down or stopped as pedestrians always have right of way.
@@RaptorFromWeegee In my state, Rhode Island. Assualt is defined as "unwanted touching". Unfortunately I don't know the laws over there. But it may technically be assualt. Kind of strange they didn't use that to prosecute her though. So maybe you're right?
The International Mountain Bike Association has the sensible and ethical guidance of all bicyclists need to always yield right of way so that there is no chance that other trail users ever feel afraid. As a 59 y/o man, I always either get off the sidewalk or dismount from my bike when I see a pedestrian.
It's far easier for pedestrians to get out of the way. Imagine being afraid of a bicycle lol.
@@YeeLeeHaw she's got the oppression cards, disabled, tough life, I believe safety then courtesy. You are free to be wrong in your overall analysis.
@@markadams8041 oppression?
Right, but the lady was 77. She fell into the traffic due to the entitled disabled woman not giving her a tiny bit of space on the pavement to pass by. The elderly woman did not realize that the woman in front of her was missing some parts of brain and did not expect that she won't let her stay on the pavement to pass safely.
I dont stop and get off I've encountered hostile people while doing that i keep going if they see me and dont move out of the way then they're dumb
If bicycles are not forbidden on the sidewalk, they're allowed. If bicycles are allowed, you have to share the sidewalk. Having the right of way doesn't mean hog the whole sidewalk. So if you fail to share the sidewalk, you're at least partially guilty. The cyclist could also have stopped or moved to the other side of the idiot lady. So the initial guilty charge was just except for her leaving the scene. That should at least double the number of years in the slammer.
If you are walking on the sidewalk and there is a cyclist coming, unless is a kids or a elderly they can easily go around me so I don't stop or pay more attention, but if its a child or a old person than they have the right to be on the sidewalk as me, as they may be zero cycle paths near by for them and they might be afraid aswell of the traffic. its common sense. that person looks frustrated and clearly contributes with nothing to society and never did plus they did this and ran away and even got out in less than a year. wonderful society
I have 2 friends that had strokes and it completely changed their personalities
1 had always been a very helpful person before that was always there for everyone in their time of need to being a very combative and only sees things from what’s best for him, it’s very frustrating to everyone around him including his wife that has been considering divorce
The other one has become the complete opposite of this that is always there for everyone
Head injuries are very hard for everyone involved
So true❤
Ryan == could you repeat and explain the second scenario?
What happened to the second person ? Did you say that they ACTUALLY BECAME ALTRUISTIC?
Indeed. Head injuries (in this case, large chunk of brain removed) can lead to dramatic personality or anti-social behaviours. It is unfortunate.
I don't know about this area, but in the UK there are many designated cycling and pedestrian areas - which is asking for accidents to happen. Not much chance of a pedestrian knocking another pedestrian over, but when a bike comes flying past you at speed from behind, it can give you the fright of your life!!! I have seen people getting knocked over by cyclists on these designated areas. It is ridiculous, but the local council designates the areas and really don't give a hoot about accidents (probably less accidents than having cycling on the road)!!!
THANK YOU KENN AND WELL SAID👏👏👏
Someone above responded that apparently the cyclist was allowed to be on the sidewalk in this particular area (it seemed like she is from that area). I did write my own opinion as well regarding what I call 'hybrid' cyclists who jump on sidewalks and then ride on the street and back and forth. I am writing from the perspective of the US where cyclists are supposed to (I was also taught years ago long before I could legally drive) follow the same general rules of the road as motorized vehicles, yet rules are rarely enforced against cyclists riding poorly or on the sidewalks. It muddies the rules in my opinion, making it just as potentially dangerous to pedestrians as rules expressly allowing cyclists to 'share' the sidewalks.
Cyclists are a dangerous mix with pedestrians. Let's face it the cyclists are the bullies in than space in the same way that they're bullied in mainstream traffic. Our neighbour had one of her dogs put down last month after it was injured by a cyclist that didn't bother to stop. If they're approaching a pedestrian or a child in a pushchair, the cyclists don't care because they aren't the ones getting hurt. They are much more respectful of the heavier powered wheelchairs, or a horse because they aren't confident of the consequences of getting things wrong. It's just selfishness.
@@CC-hx5fz 👏👏👏👏Thank you for sharing. So sad about the dog and it's owner.
If they were right behind you were probably jay walking in the wrong lane .
I’m British and as far as I’m aware - and we were taught this in school during cycling classes - that you’re not supposed to ride on a pavement and if a pedestrian is using the pavement, they have priority over the cyclist.
A local mentally handicapped man had caused a number of traffic accidents by jumping out from behind power poles and causing cars to brake suddenly or veer into opposing traffic. He was known to cops but they would not do anything about it. Eventually someone who wasn't paying attention hit him and it was his caretakers that were found responsible for not providing proper supervision.
You can see her plant her left foot and swivel just as the bicycle meets her.
She was also purposely striding in the middle of the sidewalk.
She was! I cannot believe people defending this awful Auriole woman. She's a foul mouthed liar from her police interview with zero empathy for the people whose lives she has ruined.
How much room was there where the two met? Seems to be an obstruction due to a post. How much space did that take up?
I don’t know the law of England about who can be on the pavement such as cyclists. . I know in Germany if you’re 12 years and older than you have to ride on the road.
In my opinion, the 77-year-old woman should’ve got off her bicycle as she came toward the walker in the other direction just to be safer for both people, but I also think that the walker should not have shouted at her and she should’ve stood to the side if the older lady was not going to walk the bicycle.
And if it’s true that the walker touched the older lady, then she should’ve not done that, it’s a very sad thing never matter whose fault it was.
If you are 13 and older you must ride your bicycle on the road in my state in the USA. Very similar.
I don't understand how the entire crowded Islands of Japan can manage to have pedestrians and cyclist on the same path and not murder anyone. Bicyclists and Pedestrians just respect each other. pedestriants don't attack bicyclist, Entire Families ride bikes to dinner and places and people just go around each other . Ring Ring, says I'm behind you, please keep walking and I'll pass you on my bike. It wasn't hard to learn. Forcing people, Teens and Adults, to have to be run over by fast moving cars just to ride bikes seems ludicrous. A Car is much more deadly hitting a cyclist, than a cyclist hitting a pedestrian. What logic is there? Cyclists aren't racing, they are just moving maybe as fast as someone running but we don't force runners into the street for their speed.
UK Highway Code Rule 64
You *MUST NOT* cycle on a pavement.
She clearly pushed her. I recall she even admitted that she made contact during the police interview.
You have got to be kidding. This woman was riding her bike where she shouldn't, another woman waved her off the sidewalk and she fell in the street, so they blame the woman who was waving at her to get off of the sidewalk? Wow! Just Wow!