Are AI cameras the future of sports videography?
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- čas přidán 9. 01. 2023
- This is my first experience with an AI camera and boy was it a wild one! Follow me at a recent A-League soccer game where I tested the new Veo Cam 2 to find out if AI cameras are the future of sports videography.
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🚨🚨🚨 UPDATE!! UPDATE!! UPDATE!! 🚨🚨🚨 A few days after I posted this video, I finally got access to the footage. So here's part 2 of this video where I review the image quality and the tracking abilities of the Veo Cam 2 czcams.com/video/sdh7KXjCxCI/video.html
YAYYYYY!!!!!!!!
My first video of the year was way harder to get done than I expected but I think I got there in the end (considering the circumstances). Let me know what you think...
Simply not worth it...according to your explanation even after spending that much of money process shouldn't be that awkward even footages doesn't seem to be usable brother E.
@@AmmarGhodiwala they just sent me another email mentioning that they finally unregistered the camera from the previous user. I’ll test it again tomorrow and, if it works, I’ll probably post the results on Instagram and in the Facebook group (links to both are in the description) to show you guys what my footage looks like.
I'd love to see a part 2 if you ever get the footage.
@@brianh3730 I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I have seen this Veo cam system online, but never heard anyone's first hand experience with it.
Happy New year sir, Great new year video
Thanks and happy new year to you too 🥳
Great idea/concept. I was considering attaching 2-3 cameras together all at different angles, then stitch the video together manually in post. But it was like doing multi-cam edit and I literally had to watch every minute of the game know which camera to display.
You should simply cut live with a switcher if you can.
🤣 they’ve reached another level of fuckery by not letting you access the footage unless you perpetually pay
Yes the subscription model just to access the footage is very annoying. To be fair, you can download it to your computer once you access your recordings on the online platform. But still...
Nice review. Glad to see you didn't go easy just because you got one sent to you. Have worked with both Veo and Pixellot AI cameras with various clubs and they don't come near having a cameraman operating a camera on the sideline. One of the AI cameras once got confused and followed a bald linesman's head instead of the ball one time.
Delays in processing are a huge hindrance.
My advice, get your camcorder and tripod and shot from the sideline. Everyone will be much more happy!
😂 the bald head confusion is hilarious. That’s actually the part I was the most curious about (tracking). Veo just sent me an update so if I manage to finally access the footage I’ll probably post it on Instagram and in the Facebook group with my feedback.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I think where you shoot for is important. We (have to in this stadium) shoot into the sun a good bit and I think that is a factor in it. Looking forward to seeing the footage you get and your thoughts 👍🏻
@@relivvitofficial I’ll keep you posted!
Thank you for such an honest review. The two things I would ask are: 1) How does an AI system connect with and synchronize sound, and 2) Are those prices in Australian dollar?
@@bsoundsreal There are two very small holes, one next to each lens, those are the microphones. So there is audio but I'm not sure what the quality is like. And yes the prices are in Australian dollars. I didn't think they were to be honest, otherwise I would have said so in the video. But I just double-checked before replying to you and It's only at the final checkout that it finally says so. I used my VPN to see the US prices and the physical products are cheaper but they still charge pretty much the same amounts for the subscriptions and add ons. So the subscription fees with a full package are close to $2K in USD as well.
I have been considering one of these for a time now (from a parent perspective so I can sit and watch the games) but I am worried about video quality. I was looking forward to seeing what you could do with the footage. Maybe next year! Will you post the footage if you ever gain access? I don't know if I have ever seen full 4k VEO footage, always lower resolution.
They sent me another email last night mentioning that they finally unregistered the camera from the previous user. I’ll test it again later today and if it works, I’ll probably post the results on Instagram and in the Facebook group (links to both are in the description) to show you guys what my footage looks like.
The future looks promising for this tech. #AdaptToAIorDie Thanks for giving to the walkthrough and sharing your insights.
Thanks for the Video!
You’re welcome ☺️
My son's football team has to use one of these cameras to record their games as part of their grades rules. I would say the camera being 4k is similar to the ones you see on ebay that claim to be 4k, but you cannot zoom in much at all before the quality is no good. I still live stream their games from a camera on the sideline and can then go back and edit, crop, zoom etc far more than you can get from the Veo. It is also a little laggy on following the play and is very limited on how far it will zoom in on play. I hope you eventually get the footage and can show us what you were able to get from it. I have only seen it from the viewing end, I have not been into the editing software
I have to run more tests later tonight to try to get the footage out. Maybe a part 2 coming…
Here in Puerto Rico’s pro basketball league most of the teams are using AI cameras (synergy sports) to livestream the games and it has become a great tool for the lower budget teams because every game of the league is transmitted through youtube. I don’t the money side, I’m just a photographer for one of the teams 😂, but the AI cameras have a lot of work to be done because the teams that have their own broadcasting teams put out a much better product for their fans than just simply the AI camera, and even some teams do it without audio.
But yes, this is only the beginning, the AI will take over the world, sadly.
Yes I agree. This is a cheap solution with many flaws but quite convenient for clubs and leagues but not for videographers though. But eventually these cameras will be better than all of us!
Thank you for the real honest review!
No worries!
I love your honesty ❤
Thanks 😊
Thx, if you ever get the video will you do another video to show the results?
Yeah they just sent me another email mentioning that they finally unregistered the camera from the previous user. I’ll test it again tomorrow and, if it works, I’ll probably post the results on Instagram and in the Facebook group (links to both are in the description).
My club has been using three Veo’s for 2 years successfully filming hundreds of games with players and coaches loving every minute. It’s expensive because it’s amazing technology. And for a club it’s not that expensive. The best thing is the ability to download goal highlights to make highlights video in seconds.
I agree that this can be a great solution for clubs, just not for individual videographers.
I wanted this for my high school team but it’s to expensive 😢😂
Hudl is an AI camera that a lot of highschool basketball teams use in my area. It works pretty decent, i dont think its 4k though
Yeah I heard about it but I never seen it.
Yes, and even photography, from the perfect still grabs, and that tech isn't far off.
Nice review, you identified 2 of 3 deal breakers for this camera (subscription costs and lack of direct access to the footage).
The footage itself is borderline unusable. The camera lacks a quality optical zoom and the game is always zoomed way out. It’s possible to use for coaches film, that’s about it. For spectating it’s hard to see and follow the action, so live streaming is meh. I’ve had clients send me hours of Veo footage to use in highlight reels and couldn’t use a single clip. Also nighttime footage is awful and grainy.
NFHS AI cams used in US high school stadiums are pretty much the same, with the same limitations.
I think these AI cams are far off from being replacements to human sports videographers. What bugs me most is the BS marketing by the companies that makes it appear to the average coach or parent that they are going to get amazing game film when it simply isn’t true. Or that they’ll save money by not paying a sports videographer but actually charge more in subscription fees.
Yep, you summed it up pretty well.
Our club uses Veo. We have several. It has considerably helped in recruiting and game film to our players who would otherwise never have access to quality game film. Is it the best? I feel it’s subjective because their features are good but with all AI it takes time to work the bugs out. I’ve had a game sit in the cloud for weeks and had to get their IT involved but once they did all was right in the world.
I usually download my films locally on a hard drive to save incase my players need them later on. It also allows me to post it online. It helps with clips, and individual player moments for them to download easily. However it’s time consuming to cut up individual player clips on their user platform. I usually spend a good amount of time.
They aren’t alone, now they’re TRACE which players wear sensors and each player is assigned one and the AI cuts clips automatically but at a considerable cost, however reduces the amount of time a coach needs to spend cutting clips for olayers, there’s REEPlayer which is new and in beta which offers similar, a few others that I seen now that use smartphones on gimble with special app and AI.
Great for player development and clips for recruiting in my opinion, but unless you’re at a club that can afford it, it’s a hefty cost for individual owners.
Depending on your medium, for player development it’s great, for keepsake it’s great, for media posting you can’t beat a good field camera and lenses. I’m still using my mobile rig and an iPhone 12 😂😂
Thanks for all the info. Great insight! And I agree, it’s definitely a tool for clubs, not for individuals.
I’ve been skimming through your CZcams channel and have enjoyed your content and I'm hoping you can help me out. I'm looking to buy a camera that can record my soccer games, but I don't have anyone to manually move the camera, so I need something that can capture the full field from a stationary position.
I was hoping you might have some recommendations for a camera that's budget-friendly and costs around $500 or less. Ideally, it should also be easy to use and have good quality video.
I'd really appreciate any advice you could give me on this. Thanks so much for your time and keep up the awesome content on your channel!
If you don’t want to manually handle the camera, you are either going to have an extremely wide shot that covers the entire field with the players looking very small and far away, or you can go with an AI camera like the one in this video. Either way you won’t get great video quality for less than $500. Sorry to say but your expectations are way too high. You can’t get great results without doing the work. Especially on a small budget. Maybe try to find a young videographer in your area that is just looking for experience and would be happy to film you for a very small fee. That would be a better investment than a $500 camera kit.
@@BeyondTheGame_E Thanks so much for taking the time to reply to my message. I appreciate your honesty and advice. I've seen a lot of people mentioning GoPros as a way to record games. Do you think that would be a good option for me? I don't really mind how the quality seems, just as long as I can study my gameplay to make improvements and adjustments.
Also, thanks for suggesting the idea of finding a young videographer in my area. That's definitely something I will consider.
Thanks again for your help!
@@kevinhernandez3971 Hey Kevin, if you're not too concerned with quality, yes a GoPro can do the trick but you'll need to put it quite high on a tripod if you want to be able to see yourself even when there are players between the camera and yourself, which will happen a lot in a soccer game. This will also help to see your positioning properly because, if the camera is too low, you won't be able to see the depth and distances properly. And by the way you'll get the same quality, if not better, from a decent smartphone camera.
I have a bad experience, with my camera the left side records with a shadow there is a line that the player passes through, gets lost, appears crossing the line, that is normal, who can guide me
The shadow on the left side doesn’t sound too normal. The line in the middle is sort of normal depending how bad it is in your case. Have a look at my follow up video in which I finally go through the footage from this game. I address and show that line in the middle so you’ll be able to see if yours is worst or not czcams.com/video/sdh7KXjCxCI/video.html
wonder how well it would work for volleyball
No idea but my guess is the camera would mainly give you a shot of the whole court and stick to that for the most part. Just like on tv. Also you would need lots of light for a decent result. By the way I finally got access to my footage so part 2 is in the making.
The AI Camera definitely has a long way to go in regards to quality, it says it's 4k, but it definitely doesn't look 4k from the small footage that was shown. Being billed a yearly subscription of 99$ per month is too much not going to lie so that already would stop a lot of people from purchasing, as well as all the added add ons. I personally have started to hate all the subscription type based programs. But you will most likely be spending around 1,200+ or around the same cost of the camera which doesn't really make much sense. The cost overall is too much.
I agree. But I don't think that videographers like us are really their target audience. They are more so going after sport clubs and teams who basically subscribe to that instead of hiring a full-time video person. Which from that perspective is much cheaper but also not as good.
So soon there will be no more sideline or on court photographers? I sureI will miss them on the sidelines and no need to pay photographers anymore.
I think we'll always need sideline photographers and videographers for live broadcast and for quick turnaround content like social media posts for example. But not necessarily for everything else. Although I'm talking about several decades from now, not just a few years. Not that the technology doesn't exist yet but it also needs to be affordable.
For our community club, this was almost a perfect product, until of coarse, youuuuuuuu guessed it, the flipping monthly subscription.
Why can we just own our own things and pay for updates if and when we want them.
Yeah feels like it’s the way the entire world is run these days. I’m sure eventually it will stop because there will be just too many subscriptions for people to keep up with. Or we’ll get the option to pay a big price up front or a low subscription fee.
American football compatible?
Yes it is.
Interesting camera. The subscription model - 😢
AI can never takeover videography, especially sports videography because the one thing that AI lacks is creativity.
Yeah that makes sense for editing but not for filming though. Look at 360 cameras for example. You just hold it high without any creative camera movements at all and then in post you can unleash your creativity and decide where the camera points and also add as many camera movements as you want.
use with obs
There’s no output so you wouldn’t be able to connect it to OBS.
OMG those prices,For subscribers !!! Just upload it to CZcams via streaming. That is crazy numbers to use your own camera that you purchased.. NO THANKS FYI most sports leagues gives you real and better analytics
The whole subscription scheme is a major turnoff
Indeed. It makes more sense for sport clubs but not so much for individuals.
@BeyondTheGame_E and i bet the game stats thingy is process by a human thats why it took so long for your video to be send to you...why dont they just offer the hardware?
@@syd4n 🤷🏽♂️
Terrible business plan Veo
Incomplete at best. Show me the whole process/results and THEN share your true opinion. 👍
Sorry to disappoint but I do the best I can with the time and resources I have.
Man, it’s a scam hahaha