Unidentified victims of Cleveland’s ‘Torso Killer’ to be exhumed, tested for DNA
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- Unidentified victims of Cleveland’s ‘Torso Killer’ to be exhumed, tested for DNA
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This is such exciting news! My grandfather's brother went missing in 1920. He was 18. I did a lot of research in this case to see if any of the victims could have been him. I found my great uncle in 2020. He wasn't one of the victims. But these victims had families, and finally having some answers would be wonderful!
That!s amazing that you found him 100 yrs later!
What became of your great uncle, if you don't mind me asking?
That’s amazing my great uncle also vanished probably 10-15yrs later never to be found he was walking across his farm and never made it there, it always bugged me since he was a triplet and so am I so its a bit scarier
@@JFKismyhusband_ what year and what state? Have you ever looked to see if other people vanished in the area too?
@@xbrandi12345x Arkansas and I believe the town was called 59, and we really aren’t to sure it’s been a few years since I’ve looked into it
Those poor souls. Murdered and hacked up.
🤾🏼
Rip to them. ✝️🕊✨️
Enough time has passed that maybe there’s enough potential relatives who are matches. I’m hoping that at least the victims may all be identified. May the rest in peace. 🕊️❤️
*The people in the story died almost a hundred years ago - most people don't even know who their relatives were from that time period.*
*Um, is this a waste of tax payer dollars?* 😕
WHY does she feel she has to SHOUT???
LOL. Was just noticing this of another reporter, and then this one took the level up two notches.
She thinks she's Nancy Grace 😂
she's excited
She clearly likes the sound of her own voice.
She’s excited about technology
I just came out with a book that proves my great great grandfather Ira John Bowers is one of the unidentified butcher victims. He was a traveling salesman who disappeared in the middle 1930s from Gary indiana
Thats very interesting. Id love to get my hands on a copy. How certain are you that he was a victim?
He had a life long family and work connection to indiana and Ohio, and items found near the bodies relate to his years as a traveling salesman
@@davidtakacs124 i am ever the skeptic, so I would ask what narrows it down to him specifically? Traveling salesman was a very common profession at that time and Ohio and Indiana are two large states. I mean no disrespect, I love a good mystery and if a solid like could be made that would be thrilling
Hi according to ancestry Ira died in 1948.
Sometime after 1936 he had two separate SSN’s assigned to him:
299126567
303129002
that reporter makes this story unwatchable
Suspect was a butcher or funeral home owner.
Mayo Clinic doctor
Yes, you're right. Some investigators have also claimed that he had to be someone who was still young enough and strong enough to do these numerous violent crimes, along with having a background that might have involved things like being a butcher and/or frequently hunted and was
outdoors a lot, and knew how to butcher large game like deer. One of the main suspects was a young railroad worker, who lived very near to the railroad area where some of the bodies were found, and where most of the murders occurred. Other sources have also said in relation to this, that similar murders occurred at that time in other states, with the bodies of these other victims always being found near railroad tracks.
I'm sorry if I sounded rude, before I edited my comment because I may have sounded rude.
Dr. Francis Sweeney was the suspect that Elliot Ness interviewed. Sweeney was a medical officer in WWI, he was eventually confined to a sanitarium in Dayton I believe. He had political connections with a relative being a member of Congress.
Or a surgeon!
Schizophrenic ex doctor Sweeney,his brother was a powerful councillor.
The reporter could lower her vocal tone a bit, especially compared to the soothing tones of the man she was interviewing. You’re wearing a mic, honey, we can hear you just fine.
His voice is so soothing. He could do ASMR.
Agreed
That’s not on her, it’s on whoever is controlling her mic volume and audio mix.
The first reporter's delivery is usually akwardly cautious. Strangest thing ever.
She did this voice over after the interview with him, not during. This delivery of hers is meant for "man on the street" or live reporting, definitely not recorded & edited segments and is probably force of habit.
That reporter needs to lay off the energy drinks.😮
Just thinking that
she moonlights as a tesla charging station
@@Lupinthe3rd. 😂😂😂
@@Lupinthe3rd. Pfft 🤣😂 dear god
Bot comment lol
Those are haunting death masks.
This is the case that pretty much ended Elliot Ness’s career.
Elliott Ness allegedly knew the killer came from a wealthy family. The killer was able to check-in/check-out of a state hospital, on his own volition, which irritated Ness.
@@heathermetz6576I don't think that's true
@@wms72I am curious as to why you think not. I understand that the killer was a relative of Ness’ political opponent.
@@heathermetz6576that is “ theoretically “ TRUE.
If any of the investigators on the case read this, my name is Dave Takacs, and I'm 100% sure my great great grandfather is one of the unidentified victims, and would like to submit my DNA for comparison
They're probably not reading this; you should get in touch with them directly.
How could you possibly be 100% sure of that?
He worked as a traveling salesman throughout Indiana and Ohio from the early 1900s to the mid 1930s, for a carpet manufacturer, dry good/animal feed store, men's department store, and family owned pharmacies in Gary indiana, and for recovery ohio. He disappeared when my grandfather was 3-5 years old, which were the years 1935 to 1937. He was in his early 60s when he disappeared
Dry good sacks, clothing, and other items found near the victims related to his years as a traveling salesman
@@davidtakacs124 This is all fairy circumstantial. Is there anything that we can find that would be specific to him? Id very much like to read your book, im interested in what you've uncovered. Again please don't take my skepticism as disrespect, if he was a victim it would be monumental to establish that.
Holy crap the they're re-investigating the Torso Murders??!!
It’s amazing to see forensic technology rapidly expanding. Watching (the ever amazing) reruns of Forensic Files show you how far the process has come. 👍
RIP To All The Victims 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
So interesting to see how these investigative genealogy cases have been turning out
Elliot Ness wasn't such a hero in Cleveland.
This case almost broke him
I’m unfamiliar with this. Can you tell me why?
He wasn't really in Chicago either.
Ira john bowers was born on,March 16th 1873, in xenia Ohio, and moved to Portland indiana as a kid. From 1918-1924, his wife, parents, and brother all passed away in Portland indiana. From 1898 to 1910, he ride the rails as a traveling salesman for a carpet manufacturer in Portland indiana. From 1920 to 1932, he worked as a traveling salesman for a dry goods/animal feed store, men's department store in Portland indiana, and my great aunt and uncle's pharmacies in mercer and Gibson counties in Ohio. By 1930, he was homeless, and residing in a boarding house in Portland indiana. In around 1932, he moved to my great grandparents house in Gary indiana, and worked as a traveling salesman for their pharmacy. Sometime between 1935 to 1937, he told my great grandparents he was going to Ohio to visit my great aunt and uncle, and has never been seen or heard from again.
A few comment ahead of yours, Ira was this persons great great grandfather! So interesting! So sad this man was a victim, bless his soul.
@@Amy-fk5we that was me, and it is sad if that's what happened. thank you!
That female interviewers voice is unpleasant to listen to. Too strident and harsh.
Yeah, its the sound mixing too. She's very loud/enthusiastic in her segments (reminded me of Annie from Community) while the interviewed man is much quieter, and his voice is soft too, which makes it jarring switching between the two.
Reporter got too much rizz for this dark of a story haha
Some think this case is related to bodies discovered in a rail yard outside New Castle Pennsylvania.
And the Black Dahlia in LA.
@@nhmooytis7058I think the PA murders (PGH swamp murders and New Castle victim) are highly likely to be related, but I think the black dahlia connection is just wishful thinking; The victim profiles are just too different.
@@FilmReviews-bv2om as I recall from a book I read a long time ago the theory was it was a similar MO and maybe the killer had been in prison or the military then ended up in SoCal.
@@FilmReviews-bv2omyeah the black dahlia connection is unlikely but they both had weird chemicals used and were both dismembered, there are definitely similarities there.
@@nhmooytis7058 as you mention Military I also think he served maybe in ww2 maybe for bloodlust and was wounded or something. As ending up in SoCal, It is rumored that he did His Last murder in around 1950. But Not in Ca, it was Back on his former hunting ground, Penn or Ohio, dont remember now. Dismember and unidentified victim. Similar MO you can find at all Times. 1880s/1890s Thames Torso murders for example. Even today MOs of some murderers are the Same as with the Cleveland Killer. There are Always more than one murderer Out there.
Updates PLEASE.
Are you testing DNA to see if the same unknown peripheral samples appear enough to tentatively identify the killer?
good question.
DNA testing is still expensive thanks you can’t have everything
@@Autisticbanmeforbeingdifferentyou are clearly autistic
Why is the reporter screaming at us i can't stop crying
So creepy!!!
That was affectionately known as 'The Mistake on the Lake".
That reporter is a bit too happy in her job.
I'm watching Dexter as I see this. I guess the Ohio river doesn't have a gulf stream.
Hey 19 News, could you make your banner larger so you block the entire screen and not just the bottom half? Thanks.
Sheesh they should have tried 20+ years ago they may have caught the old murderer still alive
Was it the same dude responsible.for the Black dahlia??? Or maybe the times were too far apart.
you mean George Hodel ?
There's definitely been a link between the two due to a letter that was written to the police after the torso murders ended. The writer claimed he was the torso killer and that he was tired of the dreariness of ohio and was headed to sunny California. Then several women, including the Black Dahlia case happened. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was the same person. I don't know if I believe it was george hodel
Who was this Fiend!!??
Probably Dr Francis Sweeney, who was a first cousin of Martin Sweeney, a US Congressman. Dr Sweeney was a WW1 veteran with PTSD and alcoholism. He checked himself into a mental hospital, and the killings stopped. Martin Sweeney was Eliot Ness' opponent in the upcoming mayoral race. Ness wanted to arrest Dr Sweeney but couldn't due to the political climate.
Was this around the same time as the Black Dahlia?
No. These were in the 1930s; Elizabeth Short was murdered in 1949.
A little bit before. Could have easily been the same killer
Kingsbury Run Murders Fascinating Book .
Have they ever recovered DNA of the killer ?
I guess Cleveland and serial killers go way back.
Can we have some female newscasters who don't sound like they're 3 years old? My ears are still ringing, omg! Hello Lois Griffin!
I think it was the medical student Ness suspected
I remember the Buzzfeed unsolved episode about these murders. Of all the cold cases they covered, this was the scariest!!
The names they have for these murderers. Torso killer? He killed a torso?
Any updates?
Anybody else feel like the female reporter might be somehow related to Billy Mays?
I literally thought the same thing.
What will the time and money expended on this investigation possibly accomplish? Not only is the perpetrator long dead, but who can benefit from the identifications of the dead?
oh my god😢
Potters field??? Thats horrible
Oh Lord don't dig them up after a 100 years 🙄
They chose the wrong reporter to do this bit... 😳😳😳
Why are their bodies uncurrpted
Why?
Because...
Because the cases haven't been solved yet and the victims were never identified. Did you even watch the video?
If not for closure for descendants, then for sheer human curiosity.
Interesting report thank you
I’m no expert on this case although I’ve read a bit. But it seems as if you look at Richard Cottingham’s known profile - Richard obviously isn’t the UNSUB as I think he wasn’t even yet alive - and you add Arthur Shawcross’ known profile - same for Arthur - you can use those profiles as a template for the Cleveland Torso Killer. I’m actually going to add a book on this case to my Wish List right now to learn more. Just knowing what I know:
1. White male
2. Between 35 and 45, maybe 50 tops. Probably started killing in his 30s
3. Was more respected in his community than you’d think. I’m thinking about a John Wayne Gacy type perhaps
4. Look at when the killings happened. I think he was employed so his off-hours he had to be doing these murders
5. Obviously a sadist
6. Perhaps at least a schizoid-personality type. Supposedly this type likes to experiment with internal organs for some reason
7. He must’ve had his own transportation to dump victims
8. Why did he dump his victims at the locations he did? The dump sites had some meaning to him like Arthur Shawcross, for example. Shawcross dumped his victims near where he liked to fish. Cottingham dumped his victims usually outside of a hotel or inside a hotel which was convenient for him. Gacy put his victims - most of them - in his crawl space
9. I think he might’ve been married even, or at least had a girlfriend, maybe even live-in girlfriend. I was thinking about Shawcross here as Arthur had a girlfriend and I think she lived with Arthur. I don’t like the living-with-mommy idea here for some reason probably because this guy was more advanced than that
10. Obviously strong enough and young enough to commit the murder and post-mortem mutilations he did. So I don’t like any male post-50 years of age
I wasn't too familiar with the case but always suspected the culprit may have served in the great war in a medical capacity.. jut did some reading in the suspects and low and behold Mr Frank Sweeny
Omg. awesome was just reading about the untiuchables and this case
The reporter’s loud voice is not her fault, it’s the video editing that failed to level the audio clips
It's her tone and manner of speaking.
He died in the VA in Dayton, Ohio in 1969. WWI battlefield surgeon with family political connections. The legendary police chief of Cleveland who identified him? Elliot Ness of Untouchables fame.
I found it interesting when I found out Jack the ripper might of emigrated to the USA after his murders here in England and you also had very similar murders in the USA months later after his murders stopped here. This was in 1888 so I doubt it was him in this case though.
What an annoying reporter🙄
This reporter could have woken those dead with her screaming
The name Potter Field comes from the Gospels
in the Bible.
One of my favorite fun facts.. without looking it up, do you know why its called the powers field and how the first one was purchased?
The victims relatives are almost certainly long dead the perpetrator is certainly long dead so just lt them lay in peace where they are, it is disrespectful to mess with burials in any circumstance that isn’t needed to obtain justice in court
There are still a fair amount of old people alive who knew people who lived around that time.
Also, if I found out that someone who'd once been a beloved member of my family was unidentified and buried in a potter's field, I'd want to know about it.
Its giving circomcizion side effects, from start to finish
Dr. Francis E. Sweeney
Modern science and those dedicated to research and study, God Bless.
No Sara....we're not deaf,chill out :)
Are the Ancestry, 23 and Me, ,and other DNA companies being utilised?
🙏
The thumbnail. 😳
the thumbnail is horrifying… it looks like a mummified michael jackson. 👀
News speak is creepy snd irritating. Who the hell likes being spoken to like they're mental patients being primed to meet a new doctor?
Looks like Tony Gonzalez
How do we know this wasn’t simply bad mishandling of remains? It would explain everything. They died by various means and the bodies went unclaimed. It was probably illegal.
This lady is loud af!
The sad downfall of Elliot Ness.
She just needs to check her thyroid function. The reporter may have incipient thyrotoxicosis.
❤❤
Unfortunately, they replayed hunch back. Fingerprint never existed then unless it was vague and science boards had many influence by getting physiology as a cadaver. The entitled was prominent imo. Genealogy evidence.
highly interesting
Maybe. Probably most were put in a particular board box or cardboard and buried.
I like his voice, reminds me of Casey Kasem.
The plaster masks seem more lifelike than the people presenting the story. Take it back a bit, breathe, lay off the coffee and try to act like a regular person
Reporter makes my scared 😱.
how often did Rex visit Ohio?
oops guess it wasn't Rex..
The female announcer reminds me a bit too much of Nancy Grace.
The Great Depression then
The Great Tribulation soon
Looks like the Great Lunacy has begun IMHO.
@@redbarchetta8782time will tell…
@redbarchetta8782 That's antisem¡tic.
How silly!
Cool
The killer may have been someone skilled like a doctor or otherwise a good career praying on the homeless. I don’t think it was necessarily a homeless person themselves doing the killing like he suggested. The Black Dahlia killing and Jack the Ripper were most likely doctors. For these kinds of killings I’m sure it was someone similar.
I've often wondered if it wasn't someone involved in the medical corps during WW1..
CNN reporter uhhhh……
Tone it down with the over sensationalized american bs
Probably too long and no one will remember this video ‼️
That sounds like something a guilty person would say 👀
90 year old bodies in unmarked graves can be located, identified as the body they are looking for ,DNA can be extracted from them and they can match it with relatives who were not even born at the time of death?
This sounds more like a B movie plot that is hoping we do not notice the holes in the story.
Well yes, they can do that with DNA, and they know where the bodies are that they have
You don't seem to understand how familial DNA works.
@vadenk4433 - you do not seem to understand how finding unidentified bodies in an unmarked grave works.
you got too eat they can figure out how too police them selfs fools
Can you communicate in English?
Are you having a stroke?
It was a Hillary relative.
Great minds discuss ideas.
Small minds discuss people.
@@naomihatfield3015 You're a Hatfield ... I might be a McCoy ...
Rent free in your head...rent free
Man it must be a sad, miserable existence where you're compelled to comment something political even if the topic has NOTHING to do with politics 'cause you probably do it on everything you read or watch all over the internet. It's poisonous living with obsessions like that bro. Hope you get some help
@@jkennaw4314 Nice to witness how all bumhurt you guys get. When you obviously, are the one's that are lurking to attack anything that might possibly scuff your itty bitty, teensy weeny, over swollen and inflamed, political nerves. Like Rabid Vultures.
She killed far more people.
THAT FACE LOOKS LIKE DAVID BOWIE!! 😲
It's a black
Nobody cares about the racist state of blowhio
Idiot