“Lovely Bones” Author Wrongfully Sent Man To Jail - Then Wrote A Book On Him & Became Best Seller
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The fact that gang leaders looked at his file and knew it wasn't him but none of the judges could figure that out...
Even the Ayran Brotherhood ! Thats literally like the KKK defending a black guy accused of raping a white woman.
Literally the WHITE SUPREMACIST GANG was like “Oof, that sucks. Good luck in here”.
As a black person, if the people who look up to the Klan and Nazi’s think you’re innocent then you know the criminal justice system f***cked up.
That part just weighs on me so much. They saw his truth and innocence when he had been failed. I wonder if that gave him some strength to get through his pain and being in prison?
This! When a “professional racist” sees the truth and puts aside his hate to tell a man he believes his innocence you know the case was rigged. Shame! Dishonor! Dishonor on all their families! On all the people who had the power, the opportunity, to do the right thing and didn’t! In all the years! And especially the fool as an adult woman who can’t even give a proper apology to basically end up saying“I’m sorry I ruined your life, but more importantly MINE was ruined too and that’s not my fault sorry you were put in prison but I’m still gonna die on this hill berceuse I was a victim, I was a victim, I was and still am making myself a victim yes I acknowledge you were but that’s the government’s fault NOT MINE. I’m the good girl who did nothing wrong.”
Ooooh then the fact we felt disgusting after hearing that hit about her father being a dick and asking questions…… makes me think he knew she was lying…. I absolutely do not approve of the “all I had to eat tonight was cock.” Her daddy knew his daughter and called her ass out and she didn’t like it.
A lot to unpack and I’m getting carried away lol
You know she didn’t give a penny to his go fund me.
and not only gang leaders, but neo-nazi white supremacist gang leaders! 😭
I think what’s most interesting is that she didn’t make that apology as public as she made those books..
She can't win back public's approval no matter what. If she made that apology public, people will say its too performative.
@@NobodyUndefined no matter if the public thinks it is a stunt or not, she does owe it to Anthony to make it public. She was going to cash in on Lucky and even writing that, she didnt pause to think of how wrong everything was regarding the trial.
Fact!
True, if I read that as a foreword or something in one of her books instead of an obscure article that won't even come up on a Google search, I would have felt she truly felt sorry and learnt something from that experience. She seems too vindictive towards her assaulter to the point it seems to have consumed her and makes you feel weird from what I have heard she has written. She even seems a bit racist at this point.
@@NobodyUndefined Yup, I was not implying you were saying she shouldn't do it. I was just making a point that she should. She has reaped the benefits of going public $$$ and fame so she does owe it to Anthony to be publicly supporting him and behind him. I think that is what is right
The fact that the head of the Arian Brotherhood THEMSELVES saw he was innocent but the "UBIASED" justice system could not is actually crazy.
I think it's "Aryan brotherhood", I read some history books in HS where it was mentioned that Aryans where basically the purest people who migrated to Asian countries like India, Nepal, Bhutan etc and ruled over there. so I think her Aryan refers to that.
@@Iris_toothis is wrong. Brahmins were so racist and casteist in believing it was their god given right to discriminate and Hitler took inspiration from that, hence the swastika and Aryan thing. Aryans come from Iran and Central Asia. The aryan brotherhood is for WHITE anglo saxons and western europeans. Caucasians does not equal white european.
She’s rich, she could pay $16M to him and still be fine, taxpayers shouldn’t be the ones paying. All the people who were involved (like the judge who was against Anthony) should pay him another a million, be stripped of their titles, and give a public apology.
I was thinking the same thing. If I were her, I'd write him a check. It also infuriates me that this happens over and over and over, yet they still don't do anything to the lawyers, judges, or police. If they're still working, they just quietly transfer to another dept or they retire with their full retirement or pension.
Agree 100%. Even all this would NEVER be enough compared to everything that he lost.
genuinely, don't know much about him but it just has me so pissed to think that young man can have 16 year of his life gone like that. He honestly deserves so much more being ridiculed by the court and so many others, and i don't even wanna think about the racism involved. To think something like that could've happened to my brother or father just makes my heart ache.
Not to mention all this money she’s going to make off of this movie from the book she wrote about him.
@@carolynkennedy5341She’s not going to be mkg money off this case in the future. She already did when “Lucky” was published in 1999. The book has been pulled from publication in Dec.
2021, no more book, no more money.
The person left screwing him over financially is the guy who helped get him off, Timothy Mucciante. He’s the one you’re thinking of, I think
While she was out there thinking she was safe, the real rapist was reading her book and laughing. Makes me sick
Damn 🙄 Right
Man I didn’t even think of that 😮.
He's probably gotten away with it. so many other times too now
@@marykay8587 he prob has a happy family, wife and kids that have no idea how horrible of a person he is
Well, if there was an actual r4pist in this story at all... Was there actual proof of her being r4ped at all? I know what's been told in this video, but it's just what she tells in her debut novel, her fantasized memoir. Given the circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised if it was found out that she made it up for some twisted reason.
False convictions are so awful, especially in a case like this where the actual rapist got away.
💯💯 true its horrible
It wasn't a false accusation. She was raped. It was the police and court's fault. She is a victim too.
It's a false accusation, the attack happened but it wasn't him who perpetuated the attack. @@michellemartinez4887
@@michellemartinez4887she falsely accused somebody who did not rape her, that is definitively a false accusation even if it isn’t the way you usually use the term
@@knee.co.8338 She was raped. There is evidence of that. The justice system caught the wrong person. That's not a false accusation.
So you’re telling me when 90% of women report a rape they rarely even go to court let alone get a conviction but they went out of their way for Alice and she send an innocent man to prison for 16 YEARS?! I hate this society so much.
Who is the 90%?😭
@@ZhongliWife-ou7juthe 90% of victims that do report. Rape is estimated to be quite underreported and of the ones who do only 6% go to trial and only 1% of those actually get a conviction.
@@Shenan-again
What’s even worse than underreporting is the horror that is the unprocessed R word kit. Let me explain, for any who may not know about this travesty of an issue.
Ok so, a woman reports an R crime, completes the R kit. It should all be good from there right? Cause the cops are gonna start working on it and trying to match the dna, right?? In many places in the US, that assumption is DEAD WRONG. So the kit is completed and handed off to police. But in some places, because of lack of resources, funding, laboratory shortage, and just a general lack of urgency because R didn’t seem to be a priority to the men in charge in these places, hundreds of thousands of completed R kits will go on to just sit in a warehouse or empty state/city office building, and never be processed; these buildings are just storage facilities for the police department too. Meaning the kits are not temperature controlled, all these kits are just stacked up out in the open, all in these huge skyscraper piles that just go up and on forever. As the evidence is destroyed a bit more every summer and winter. It’s so heartbreaking and SO infuriating.
And this is happening all over the country, especially in inner cities and impoverished county’s etc. You wouldn’t believe how many kits end up with this fate; it’s in the hundreds of thousands. Hundreds of thousands of kits that never get the dna run, never get processed into a lab, never go to codis,…they just sit there, in non temperature controlled buildings, as the evidence within them slowly disintegrates and becomes unusable.
Really think about the other side of that coin: those R perpetrators, most of which would go on to be habitual repeat offenders; habitual offenders that could have been stopped much earlier had they just completed running and entering into the database, the ever important dna profile. What’s even worse is some of these criminals whose crimes started as R words (whose R kits were completed but never tested) would then go on to become serial unalivers. One such man is D’Angelo Martin (see below). Again, it all could have been stopped much sooner and lives could have been saved, HAD THEY JUST RUN THE DNA IN THE KITS.
Here’s some links about the hidden epidemic of R kits just never being processed or tested, as well as some additional info.
czcams.com/video/7_b1SbbSu6Y/video.htmlsi=T0eKpfspXy5XvPYD
apnews.com/article/deangelo-martin-serial-killer-detroit-vacant-police-d59f4df65137f86fd0564b55ae5db847
This was one of those rapes, the kind that can't be excused or downplayed "She was drunk, she willingly went into his house, they were dading, she didn't fight, she's a sex worker, she a promiscuous girl, she's over 30, she dressed like a whore, it was non violent, she's a poc" etc..
No, she was a young, white, sober, virgin student violently raped by a black stranger....
That's what you need to get a fkn conviction apparently..
(I just replied but don't see it posted so here it is again)
It's because it the kind of rape that can't be defended or downplayed: But she was drunk, she went with him willingly, they were dating, she didn't say no, she was asking for it, dressed like a wh ore, she was a sex worker, she's a minority, she was promiscuous, she's over 30.. etc..
No, she was a young, white, virgin, sober, student, covered up and violently assaulted by a black stranger..
He should have gotten MORE when he sued. 3mil is NOT enough for what they did to him. Also SHE should give him something too...she made money off what happened
The fact that she did nothing to try and make it up to him. She’s a gross person.
He should get every dime she made on Lucky.
I said the same thing in another comment. She should have at the very least given him a percent from the profit from that book considering she would have had no career without it. That and how she’s handled her apology not even had the decency to meet him…I doubt she’s as sorry for her actions as she says.
It was a $5.5M settlement
@@neshiajae2580 Yes but he has legal fees, etc, afterwards he will end up with approx. 3m.
her parents making her go to her sister's graduation instead of her own rape court case is pretty odd ngl
yeah her parents seem fucked up.
Her dad saying that she "let him rape her" was crazy. Her family gives me weird vibes especially her dad.
Especially her father... he was like: no knife, no rape! Seriously? Men are stronger, also there is the shock amd trauma of being attacked, but according to him, she should have been able to fight her attacker off, because he had no knife?
@@priscilla8068 I guess he felt that something was off with her story but he didn’t know what or he is just an a*hole.
@@Agnieszka-sf5kw this is depressingly common. People think being raped means having a knife or gun held at you through the whole thing when really, the threat of a body much stronger and faster than you is usually enough to immobilize and you start thinking of how to get out alive. You’ll do anything just to get out alive.
On top of all of the obviously disgusting events of this case, Anthony was a US marine. He served and risked his life for the country that later completely and utterly failed him
Thiss!!!
I'm not surprised. This country doesn't give two fucks about its vets. It breaks them down, gets them to do some questionable things, and destroys their normal functioning capabilities. Pisses me off.
How do U know he served ? Just because you’re in the military does not mean you served stupid
Okay so
@@AutumnSwift2 so he went and fought for these people and that is how they repaid him
I was convicted at a jury trial with a private attorney for a serious crime that I did not commit. I received six years in state prison and that was 1999, twenty five years ago. I am very different now and it changed my whole life. I avoid leaving my home unless I absolutely have to. I remember this case, I remember when he was released. His story helped me get through my own conviction. Thank you for bringing this story to more people.
God I am so sorry for what you went through, that's awful.
@@Sh-world123 thank you. It's okay. Jesus was with me and still is my refuge forever ✝️🛐
@@loriwoolf5447 I'm happy to hear you found your comfort. May god bless you. I send you the best wishes I can 💜
@@Sh-world123 thank you. May God bless you too 🙏✝️🛐💜💜💜
I'm so sorry for you. I hope you feel better.
I wish Anthony and Elizabeth a long and peaceful life together. This case breaks my heart, not only for Anthony, but because so many young black men have been incarcerated for crimes they did not commit.
Why together? 😂😂😂😂
This does not count for just black men. This happen just as much with white men but then it doesn´t matter apperianrly XD America just have this weird system where Juries decide who is going to send to prison.
@@jerometruitt2731because they’re married….
Idk,,my nephew was wrongfully incarcerated for 21 years,from the time he was 22 til he was 43, before he was exonerated. The prime of his life. And he's white🤷♀️ My sister lost everything,even lost her home and ended up briefly homeless trying to pay all the legal fees to prove his innocence.
I think the attempt by society to point out racial division is CAUSING racial division 😔
@@jerometruitt2731 why do you think
Shoutout to Timothy the director for following up on his gut feeling and providing justice for a family broken by an accusation.
Right because there are a lot of people who don’t follow their gut feeling they tends to ignore it
Right and the story realy seems so fake i mean the part of the black student hugging and apologizing completely weird
I feel horrible for her …but how did she live with herself knowing she took the stand against a man she knew was the wrong person??😢
@@heavenjb I get that some say she was traumatizes and maybe her memory was hazy but still after she found out that the man she put behind bars was innocent and didn’t apologize (to me that wasn’t a apology she did whatever)
The fact he made so much money off that film and then blew it up anyway. Respect
This is a story where no one got justice. The rapist got away. Alice is left with horrible memories and trauma. An innocent man was sent to jail, and sixteen years of his life was robbed. No matter who did what, the thing is, everything was unfair.
She was able to take the shambles of her life & build an empire afterwards. He was left isolated living in a house with no windows. She might not have gotten “justice” but she got a second chance. She needs to give him some of the money she made selling the story of his grief.
No , not 16 years , his whole life from then on
@@syw9882 He already got 5.5m and will get more from his lawsuit. Money will not do anything to fix the issue. She could rebuild her life, but that isn't on her. This all falls in the DA and police department.
The dude was 16 years in prison as innocent, lost family members and friends for the stigma, couldn't make kids for the stigma and make new friends or be close to females/kids for the stigma. Being labeled a convict and s-offender Super screws your life up in every possible way even after getting out. Let's not forget he could have been eeasily murdered if the gangs didn't beleave him or he wasn't smart enough to do the bold move and ask for the shot-callers to immidiatelly read his papers (if not murdered then at very least being tortured for the whole time)...
I'm 100% sympathetic to what happened to her... but she did Purposfully send a man who she Knew was innocent into a prison with this charge. On a basis that a cop said to her in consoling way that yeah prosecution uses this tactic (obviously Sometimes), it's not like the cop can now it was used, hence she cannot. So, yeah. Something unforgivable happened to her and She Did something unforgivable. What she did was played Heavily on peoples lives and got it messed up, ruined someones life from top to bottom. That cannot just be brushed off by what happened to her and the cop saying that this kinda tactics are used and they propably did towards you (you cannot equal what the cop said as this For Sure happened because she cannot know, especially when the men do not Even look alike. Furthermore, even if she tought it went down like it was planned.. she Still sent an innocent man to prison knowingly. Say even the prosecution would have taken a random guy ("a friend") and put 500 dollars into the pocket and say that hey can you just come to the line-up, smile and that's it and they are like.. o-o-okey? Then he goes to prison. You don't go hard with someone you know is innocent and don't know any of the circumstances, especially with those charges. Her by own words calculated demeanor/behaviour in court, that was the thing that tipped the scale from facts to conviction. She should have just testified that she thinks she messed up the line-up. She did something atleast as bad as was done to her, that's just the truth of it).
@@aleksisuuronen5969 Where on earth did you get that she knowingly sent the wrong man to jail from????
It's so disgusting how public she made her story but once she found out about how she allowed a man to be wrongfully committed, she made her apologise as private as possible but she also focused so heavily on herself. What she happened was awful and she is absolutely a victim of something terrible, but she also created a victim and she has to acknowledge that
what???? I don’t get how her making her story public is in any way wrong?
@@icecreamsandwich652 i think they meant to say that there's nothing wrong with the story, but the fact that her story was so public, and caused her to make thousands of dollars, also happened to be his story as a victim. and the fact that she didn't apologize as proudly and publicly as she did her book about (who she assumed was her assau!ter), is pretty upsetting that she wouldn't make a more public apology towards him for creating a victim. it's seriously such a sad story that seemingly feels like no one really received justice in the end.
in a way though, the attacker really created them both.
No she didn’t and no she doesn’t. It’s not like she went out of her way to purposely villainize and target him, so why should she apologize? The system did him wrong, not her.
@@professionalinsomniac8338yep who cares what happens to a black otherwise business as usual in America. Screw Alice she can kick rocks
The fact that she's so callous about the entire thing makes me sick. Here she is, making a killing off of what happened to her, convicts an innocent man who's entire life is RUINED because of her and she doesn't even have the decency to meet him, shake his hand or apologize face to face? She's still full of hate and un-forgiveness and he's so forgiving and full of love even after all that and who knows what the poor man went through in prison....AND he was a Marine. Serve a country and then it completely turns its back on you?! This case is so, so incredibly sad. I almost wept myself at his comment about them just sitting and weeping together. This author needs to get it together. She owes this man at LEAST , the very LEAST a face to face apology. I'll never respect her if she doesn't give him that
I agree wholeheartedly!! 💔
It sounds like so much of her life was consumed by trauma that it became her. So, when presented with someone who's arguably had it worse, or just as bad as her, it shakes up how she understands and sees herself (a victim) and she goes on the defense. Because she's the victim whenever in social interactions. She's the one that's faced the worst cruelty of the world.
I say this as someone that used to think and act this way. It's very stunting.
Whould you go and meet with someone so connected to your own trauma even if he's completely innocent he looks like the real perpetrator I get flashbacks around people who look like my attackers it's not on her to go threw that and apologize she didn't mean to ruin his life the cops and system failed him not her
@@naomifischer5055 yes i would lmao, its the LEAST a person could do after being the center of the reason why an innocent man was stripped 16 years of his life. if you cant even do that, idek what to say; to be saying she's an evil evil person would be a compliment.
@bruh_wut the reason he was imprisoned was the system not her she didn't identify him they should have looked at other options this women told her story that's hard asf to do but then the system her lawyer the judge everyone else chose to belive a white women's word over a black man's evidence she was traumatized it wasn't on her calling her evil for not wanting to drag up the past is insensitive and unintelligible
He should sue the police department more. 3 million is less than what most wrongly charged people.
Anthony should also sue the police department separately. Wonder why his lawyers didn’t do that. The DA/State for the wrongful conviction but the police f’ed up the initial investigation that was handed to the DA, so shouldn’t they have to pay for their part in this?
You can’t even buy a home in NYC for 3 million
@@ruquiamulamba6169yes u can lol
@@ruquiamulamba6169 The average NYC home value is $732,594
There is a federal civil rights lawsuit still working through the court system that has named the cops and attorneys involved (along with Sebold) as defendants(?)(respondents?). This is separate from the lawsuit for the wrongful imprisonment (which is the one that settled for $5.5m the Stephanie mentions at the end of the video); this one has more to do with how they came about that wrongful imprisonment (lies told to sway Sebold into false identification, the trial judge holding private meeting with Sebold in his chambers, etc.) and how any, for example, discrimination (like racial discrimination) and inappropriate procedures may have violated his very civil rights.
Anyway, the attorney who lied to her during the lineup just got a request to grant immunity from the lawsuit denied by a federal judge 3 days ago, so it is very much still an active lawsuit assuming to gain him a greater settlement.
And given the 16yrs lost to prison and another 22yrs post-release shackled horrendously to the sex offenders registry for a crime he didn't commit, yeah, it's fair to say he deserves a bigger settlement and that the named parties deserved to be sued and held liable for the BS they propagated against an innocent person.
“Four & five looked identical” meanwhile they don’t even look like cousins.
not even cousins fr they’re both just short
They might've both just looked like him to her because she was having a PTSD episode, from the description. My partner used to randomly look like my attacker to me for a moment sometimes and they aren't even the same size or ethnicity. In any situation where the cops weren't completely evil, that would have been the end of it but they lied and, imo, gaslit her into confusing what's just the PTSD fucking with her head and what's real.
I'm sure closing this case looked real good on somebody's fuckin performance review or whatever. Assholes. 😒
Exactly
right?? theyre literally just short black dudes they look nothing alike
@@claratheparasytepeak wps…the audacity of the toxic privilege of her actions in the aftermath of the horrific act perpetrated against Alice is nearly inconceivable.
Oh baby he better than me 😶 What happened to her is tragic and so disparaging but hell no! 16 years?? In jail as a SA scumbag? All that public scrutiny?? I feel so bad for those wrongfully convicted. It’s so scary. And the real villain is FREE
I agree with some of the other commenters. Her statement should be posted as a forward in her books. Her apology was private but her fame and success was largely based on her story. Part of her story was that she wrongfully accused someone and sent him to jail knowing she wasn't sure.
I didn’t read the book. Damn I tried. Glad I didn’t now. 😅😅😅
Nope. She doesn’t need to apologize at all. What’s with all these complaints about how it isn’t good enough when it wasn’t even necessary? And why isn’t anyone hounding the attorneys, judges, and cops for apologies instead of the person who had the least control over how things played out? Get a grip man.
None of the men in the lineup are "identical".
That’s exactly what I was thinking
They're black, every black person looks the same, right?
i guess to whites black ppl all look the same
It’s not different than when racists will say that all White blonde women look alike - which I have often heard
@@DorianMoth-rr2zb why are you trying to change the topic to what white women deal with when we are talking about someone’s else’s pain…
It’s cruel that no amount of settlement money can ever make up for the time he lost. It’s amazing that he is free but I can’t imagine doing 16 years for something I didn’t do.
He wasn't free even after getting out of jail, the stigma followed him for an extra 20+ years. He had to struggle into his 60s because his life was robbed.
It would have to be a living nightmare!
If he had a child he would've missed them growing up..
@@uniquenewyork3325 Not only that, this is what took away his opportunity to ever have children in the first place. There's a high chance that there are actual people that would have existed, but don't because of what happened.
Correction* he was robbed of the opportunity to have children
this all just goes to show that blind rage can turn a victim into a perpetrator effectively ruining 2 lives instead of 1
This is a life lesson I learned a long time ago and people still don't understand it.
Weirdo behavior to call her a “perpetrator” for misidentifying someone as if she somehow did something way worse like R word someone else. 🙄
@@professionalinsomniac8338Yet that's what happened she basically allowed a bigger crime to happen because of her actions.
@@ExeErdna Her actions? Rape is a traumatic experience. She identified a suspect, it's up to the police and justice system to confirm if he is the perpetrator or not. She did not sent him to prison, the judge did. Both of them are the victims in this mess and it's honestly disgusting what you people are doing.
@@ExeErdna in what way is misidentification a bigger crime than r*pe? Are you straight up delusional?
Her dad is a rape apologist and her mom doesn’t defend her that’s wild.
He gave up on having kids because they could get bullied for his wrong SA registration or even start doubting and resenting their own father, he couldn't find a decent job so he never got the chance to build a wealthy life, his family shunt him and he lost all those years where he could have connections and bright memories with them, he lived until over 60yo with anxiety and fear any small misstep could throw him back into prison.... That's not freedom, that's a stolen life! And Alice has to pay him back!
!!!!!!!
You may as well wait for the sun to burn out. She goes on with her life, r-word not withstanding, relatively happy, and he goes on with his life, suffering in blackness, but 5mil richer. 🤷
She didn't go after him to try and ruin his life for no reason though, she was convinced it was him and it was up to professionals in the field like police and judges to figure out what is real and what is not. These things are not up to victims, that are living in fear and are totally traumatized, this is up to the justice system for utterly failing to do a proper investigation and run a proper trial, neither have been done. I don't think you understand how being raped can warp your whole world/vision if you say she has to pay him anything back. There was no malicious intend, only utter fear and deep trauma that wasn't handled properly by a justice system that should be able to discern trauma memories from reality. Probably because a case with a conviction looks a lot better than a case where there isn't even a proper suspect. Meanwhile Alice also has to live with this and the fact that the real rapist has never been caught. Blaming her for this misconduct is utterly delusional.
I agree with you until the last sentence, she does not need to pay him back. Both are victims and I don’t believe she did it with intent. The most blame is on the justice system. Of course she does have her role in it. It makes me really sad that he never got to have kids or a career or basically any freedom, the first signs of freedom since his false conviction is after this. I wished the state and the justice system gave him more back, more money, a house a chance at maby going to college for free, or whatever he wishes to do in his lif that he did not get to do.
I’m not even sure Anthony would accept money from Alice, but I can’t help but feel like if I were her I would feel a sense of indebtedness to Anthony for all the life that was stolen from him. Even though she may not have been responsible for putting behind bars, she definitely profited off of it.
The most frustrating part is that the actual rapist, the unknown assailant, is still not found. His actions effectively victimised 2 people so terribly.
Not to mention it’s almost a guarantee that he did it again, so the best we can hope for is that he was convicted for another offense later on
@@siennahartle9069right. I’m guessing he did her roommate & probably the other 18 year old that Anthony was questioned about while he was out on parole.
Saw on X that the private investigator found the real rapist and gave his proofs to the police department. The lack of guilt from everyone involved in this just disgust me. But who would step up and say I made a mistake when I totally profited and most likely still profit from it. For 40 years, all that Anthony wanted was someone who would say they were mistaken. That it wasn’t him but no one ever did.
3 people as it was most likely the actual rapist is the one that assaulted Lila as well
most frustrating the wrong person was imprisoned
That man is nothing but goodness and integrity. He would've been such a good father! I hope true justice comes in after life because he deserves all good there is in this universe
Why did she not speak up when she decided to write the book about what happened to her?
For me, she became really guilty 16 years later, even if she has always been aware of her wrongful identification from the beginning.
She had years of opportunity to reveal the truth but opted to stay silent and place all the blame on the system.
Maybe, she tried to keep telling her. Maybe they didn't care, they just wanted to conviction despite justice. I really think it sucks that the court system failed him. That she wanted revenge rather than justice. I do think maybe she tried and didn't know how to help him, or how to go about the right thing.
@@user-on2lw7ip5bif she tried she would have said that. She never tried.
Spit your shit my guy
@jerometruitt2731 Thank you!! How can someone just make up "I think she tried to help? " Just pulling that out of thin air.
@@user-on2lw7ip5bshe should’ve said that then💀
The dudes in the line-up: °-° ●_●
Cops: These are the same people.
stg like what do u mean ‘almost identical’ 💀
@@vivicheri444fr huge example of racial bias smh. I had to pause n stare I was like identical where???
Are the twins in the room with us? Cause what 🙄🧐
I was looking for this comment because wtf
Thats what I was saying after seeing their pictures lmao
Realizing that Anthony would've not been involved at all if he stayed in the Marines instead of leaving to take care of his father with cancer, which he was still unable to do after being falsely imprisoned. Knowing Alice won't ever apologize to him after taking away all he had is truly sickening, she was so obsessed about being "good" that she overlooked the fact that she ended up being one of the worst witnesses of all time.
This story is heartbreaking and incredibly disappointing
And refuses to meet an innocent man. This shows she is a racist to me.
Comments indicate that people see her as being just as much of a victim as Anthony. While I will never condone SA, the fact that she refuses to see or truly apologize to Anthony takes away from her victimization as she was complicit in the victimization of an innocent man with no thought or real regret.
Exactly she got to get rich and live happily while he was beat, hated and shunned.@rbailey3309
The first sentence of her statement said sorry. I see this as a difference of opinion on how sorry she should be.
I think she took ownership at the level needed. I don't agree that she overstated her feelings. I do see her as a victim, just as much as Anthony.
She was a teenager. She was lied and manipulated by the DA. The level of unprofessionalism of the investigation and of the court system in this case was profound. I could see them convicting him without her testimony.
I don't believe she honestly played as big a part as everyone would like to believe.
Maybe I just consume too much true crime and have a bias against our LEGAL (not justice) system.
In my opinion, she has no shame. She accepts no accountability, yet she was the spark that gave rise to his tragic story.
She also robbed him of the possibility of fatherhood.
I feel no sympathy for her at all. I hope that Anthony and his wife will find some level of comfort and happiness for what remains of their lives.
She should be in jail for 16 yrs because she won't admit something that's ACTUALLY true!
This is gross in my opinion, she clearly thought what she was doing was right, was manipulated by police, & too traumatized to think straight, & it was a brutal rape that ripped open her lady parts, torture Stephanie said, & now so many people hate her & her rapist is free, i feel so much sympathy for Anthony but to have none for her is a bit heartless.
Same, I feel sorry for him.
Poor guy went through so much trauma, and ostracized by his friends, family, community.
He had to carry that reputation for not only 16 years, but several years after that.
Her "apology" was disgusting. She knew she was in the wrong, and sent an innocent man to prison. She violated him, and ruined his life, and doesn't have the human decency to own up to her mistake. Instead she just shifts all the blame to the judicial system, and how horrible that was, while not owning up to her part in all that.
She's incredibly narcissistic, and cruel. Being a victim of SA does not make her a good person. While I do feel sorry for what she went through, that doesn't excuse her attitude as a grown ass woman who violated this man, and ruined his life. The least she could have done is take responsibility for her actions, instead of hiding behind a flawed system.
I hope that man finds peace in his remaining years. I hope now that he's proven his innocence, that he is able to reconnect with his friends, family, and loved ones, but most likely the damage is far too great. This has cast a dark shadow over his life.
@@roundsdmyou can be a victim and a piece of sh!t. whatever pain she had she put on an innocent man consciously
What he went through was far worse than what happened to her and it was in her power to have prevented it from happening. IDC how wrong anyone thinks that statement is.
Thank you for doing such a fair and balanced analysis of this case. I’ve watched your videos and as a black man I appreciate you not shying away from your opinions of what could likely ostracize you from certain viewers. You are what real documentary journalist should aspire to be . Thank you and I wish you the best.
I love what you said about her. I completely agree with you.
@@truecrimeforlife and now I’m subscribing to you as well.
@@leetv8425 Awe, thank you! I would love your honest feedback too please! I know I have room to grow and improve!
the horrible irony is that her book that made his life worse ultimately led to an investigation that gave him back his innocence. it sucks that it took a potential film adaptation of her book to get someone to take a look at that case and question its legitimacy against Anthony.
her book was soo bad it ended up being good
It was the Actor Anthony who kept nagging him to investigate.
I have to say this: 39-year-old Alice told the reporter that she would never accept Anthony's apology, but i have to ask why does Anthony have to apologize to you for? He was never your attacker. He was railroaded by the system he believed in. I can't understand that question at all. An apology says you did something wrong! The only crime here is the justice system with the Jim Crow treatment.
That wasn’t after the false conviction was revealed, that was after she wrote her book. At that point she believed and had believed for 20 years that he was her rapist.
@@lailahart7501I’m sorry but I don’t fully believe that she truly believed that Anthony was her attacker. White women have been known to knowingly lie on black men. Emmitt Till comes to mind. Growing up, I was always told to stay away from white girls cause they’ll get u in trouble and ruin your life
@@lailahart7501she literally knew that she pointed at the wrong guy WAYY before the trial, you’re still telling me she didn’t know? She knew. She played along.
Thinking isn’t your strong suit is it?
I left basically the exact same comment as you I’m so confused about that part too.
Everything about Anthony’s life after Alice’s rape made me cry. And it’s stories like this that have made me completely distrust the badge, the stupid blue line, their honor code, etc. They are fraught with deception. God help us all.
It made me cry too!
I am not going to lie. I avoided this episode because it breaks my heart. As a mother with young black males even today I am constantly worried. They are good fellas never been in trouble. Stephanie you did a wonderful job presenting the information in a very respectful way to everyone involved. Thank you ❤
Stephanie you might want to do a follow-up with this story because Broadwater has a federal civil rights lawsuit going on right now and the judge is going to make the former prosecutor and a lot of people who were involved with the case to come forward and explain their part in all this. It is the discovery phase right now. Also, chances are Alice will have to confirm or deny the former prosecutor's wrong doings. I am certain Syracuse will lose in this lawsuit, which will be millions of dollars awarded to an innocent man, who has gone through hell.
Good for him! I hope he gets the rights he deserves, he has been through too much. My heart breaks for the poor man :(
Sad to say that the same type of declination still exist in 2024. Judges and DAs have way too much power. People always demand for a citizens review board for the police. I think we should have a review board for iubg
He should be awarded 16 times the amount of Alice’s current net worth
About freaking time
@@alerojas4938and she n those prosecutors should pay it
I was raped when I was a teen, and I never reported it or told my parents. My mom had told me that if I had sex before marriage, I would be "ruined" and "no one would ever love me." I knew that she would blame me, and I knew that it would break my father's heart to pieces. I figured it would be better to just keep quiet and pretend it never happened. This is why so many rapes go unreported.
I hope you can heal from this
I’ll be the mum you haven’t told. I’ll tell you that it wasn’t your fault. That you did nothing wrong. That you most certainly did not ask for it and that you did not deserve it. I’ll also tell you that you can still be loved and find love and the act of an animal won’t take that away from you if it’s something you want to have in your life.
Don’t let this event steal your future, life, happiness and well-being. Let it make you stronger. Let it make you aware of your courage, resilience, determination. You are loved, you are beautiful, you deserve peace and happiness.
Love and light from Australia 💕
❤️🩹
You deserve even MORE love after going through such a horrible thing..
I've never reported mine.
This made me cry 😭 an innocent man wasted the best years of his life in jail. Alice needs to apologize and give him the money from the book!
I think this is so disturbing. A woman was sexually abused and was traumatized and then her small mistake ruined a person's whole life. I think Anthony is such a strong individual how he never yielded and stood with is truth. And I think he deserves an apology by literally everyone- he was a marine so he believed in things like law and it failed him. He knew he did nothing wrong but was failed there too. He asked to be seen innocent over and over again and nothing. But honestly, it made me tear up knowing he at least had this one woman who believed him and stands beside him to this day. Honestly, Anthony just saying it's her truth it's not me is just so painful but so strong. He didn't villainise her but nobody tried to believe he wasn't a villain either.
He truly deserves an apology.
She didn’t make a mistake. She stood by her choice.
Her mistake wasn’t “small” either. Any action that could alter the course of someone’s life is not small. She made a MONUMENTAL mistake.
@@JustPraiseHim09 You’re definitely right in that it was life altering, but we can’t keep calling it a mistake. She knew that man was innocent and still refused to apologise outright even after she was caught.
Can't believe you called what that woman did "a small mistake". Her 1st book was published a year after the man had already been released!
This is why generally speaking the police needs more then just the victim recognizing someone. In fact often nowadays when you are raped you can not even get someone in prison in my country unless you have DNA to proof it, but even then you have to proof it wasn´t consenial, so I don´t understand how that guy could get in prison innocent if that was done, so maybe the police or whoever got him in prison didn´t do enough job and the juries are to blame for that as well
For those wondering about Lila:
She was sexually assaulted. Unfortunately there was no further information because Lila was traumatized and did not pursue charges, and the cops concluded that it was one of Broadwater’s friends(since he was already in custody)- when in actuality it was probably the original assaulter(this is my assumption since he’d asked Alice’s name and had her dorm card so he could identify where she stayed)
Thank you for the follow-up. I kept thinking that I'd missed the explanation. I wonder if there was a SA kit done for Lila. If it was actually the same person, maybe he could be found that way.
Wow, how much more proof did they need?! Who knows how many more victims there are😢
Thank you. I was, indeed, wondering what happened to Lila. I had to go back to the beginning of the video to see if I had missed something.
@@littlemisslipstick2999 there may have been- but it wouldn’t have made a difference unfortunately. From my brief research(cause I was curious to see if they still had the hair and wondering why they didn’t DNA test it) it said that the rape kit and samples(didn’t specify but im assuming the samples would mean the fluids that they took as well as the hair) were destroyed before proper DNA testing was available. Who knows what they mean by destroyed or WHY they were- but I think we all could guess why😓.
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I just cried how Anthony managed to forgive Alice, He is truly an innocent soul - how he hand over the yellow folder to his wife when they met - how he genuinely lived despite being felt like he was disowned by his family. His character didn't changed despite all the trauma. I'm just happy he was freed from this and found peace through it all.
I need to be able to pick his brain or have someone similar in my world to keep calm and stay true to me despite the very sick shit and situations my whole life but I struggle lately to not lose my hold on me or my heart and mind and about to snap or give up
Holding on to that hate will eat at him and no one else.
He is such a good man!
@@brizduniak79 Many times I’ve seen innocent black people forgive white accusers and even victims of hate crimes forgive white attackers. Most recent was Botham Jean’s family forgiving Amber Geiger.
The reverse is rarely depicted in media. I’m convinced lawyers and judges encourage black people to forgive their white offenders.
@@majorlazor5058no, most black people are believers in GOD or some sort of higher power that's why they forgive
Her "apology" wasnt nearly as loud as her defamation was. She hid her "apology" but published and profited off of her book.
She identified the wrong person but that’s only 1 piece of information. It’s the detectives’ job to gather more clues to prove if he’s guilty or not. What happened to asking for alibis & other detective follow ups? I think that the investigative team & the whole Justice system is just so corrupt!
He didn’t have an alibi. That being said it’s interesting how everyone seems to conclude that he was innocent after looking at his file. Everyone but the criminal justice system.
@@dandereninja4750the criminal justice system tends to want to find a guy to blame when they don't have an actual person of interest, let alone a suspect. They also tend to not bring in relevant evidence when it clearly breaks apart their case.
I think this is the most upsetting thing at how the whole justice system failed him. That if the case had been thrown out when she picked the wrong guy. If his attorney had gotten all the information he needed. Why didn’t any one notice when he was up for parole? Why were there not black people on the jury when it’s supposed to be a group of peers? The cop lady lied to Alice and said the guy she picked was Anthony’s friend and the Judge had a private meeting with her and asked about her family which is misuse of their position. I don’t think Alice saw anything wrong with it though because they some of the few people who weren’t victim blaming her so she thought of them as kind and just doing their best to seek justice for her. When they were actually misusing their position and creating the narrative to get the fastest conviction to fill a quota. I just hope that those people were all fired and put on trial for misconduct.
@@JuniperTaleumOne messed up thing about the justice system is that you need NEW evidence to declare a person innocent. Technology can advance enough to prove the original evidence was bad, but if you don’t add new evidence like a dna test you can’t appeal.
Right how was it the victims responsibility to find the rapist? Its sick what people in law will do to just look like 'heros'
It really seems like her roommate was r-worded by the same attacker. He had her name right? Anthony was in prison when the second assault happened. I can't imagine her brushing that off as a coincidence and not questioning things then.
If it was the same attacker he must have been stalking her to some extent.
He had her dorm card
Stephanie said at the beginning of her video that her friend and roommate was angry at Alice because the rapist mentioned her name and raped her in Alice's bed which might mean that Alice was the rapist's target and her friend was a substitute for Alice. This also indicates that the rapist was stalking Alice and might have fixated on her because she was a virgin because it is rare for a rapist to attack the same woman twice.
I might be wrong but what if Alice was in on it ? I mean he wanted to do it in Alice's bed he had the key card and he came back again ? Something isn't right
@@marydt8981
No. No victim would give up something valuable as a dorm key. My ex stole my dorm key and I thought I misplaced it.
On the same day I got mine replaced, he was sitting in my room on my bed AFTER I moved across campus to get away from hims I never told anyone where I was or what room I was in.
I got away because the campus police didn’t believe me he was stalking me. I end up dropping out of college because of him.
Just because the attacker had the card, didn’t mean she gave it to him. Don’t try to start that.
the story of rodney cotton blew my mind when i was younger and completely changed my views on eyewitness testimony.
it was extremely similar (leading the eyewitness, failed line up, the witness being convinced she had correctly identified him even though she hadn’t), although he was actually released bc he ended up in jail with the actual rapist and the two guys looked so similar people would get them confused. so in the end the real rapist was also caught. he said he forgave her too and you could see the genuine horror and guilt of the sa victim and her true amazement that he could forgive her. i think there’s a 60 minutes doc about it, id recommend.
Thank you so much for covering this story. I had not heard all of this and I am so sorry for Anthony’s experience. When I was in college I was held up at gunpoint at the deli I worked at. This was in the ‘80s, before security cameras everywhere. The robber was a short Vietnamese person, with a mask covering the lower half of their face. I remember walking around campus and being so sure each short Vietnamese person was the robber. You are young, in shock, and traumatized. It’s very hard to recall every detail. I don’t know what ever happened in my case, but I was asked to view a book of mugshots. I don’t think I every pointed anyone out.
I can't believe you were held up at gun point! I feel for you.
Ok, just hear me out. If you accused someone of doing something that they didn’t do and they had to go to jail for 16 years and you felt that you were BOTH victims, wouldn’t you want to meet that person and ask for forgiveness? Like just to release the pain from your soul? Like it was an honest mistake, I would cry my eyes out every night and would want them to know that I didn’t mean it.
The only thing I might keep in mind is I'm not sure if that person would want to see me if I were in that situation, so I wouldn't try to force it just to make myself feel better and clear my own conscience.
However, if they said they wanted to meet with me that's a different story.
You would, but she didn't because (to her) that would maker her less of a victim, something that not only feels unjust, but also, it would destroy her whole identity, success... she seems to have built it around this incident, having survived it, she wrote a book and it got picked into a movie...
Also, she probably feels like opening the door towards admitting ANY wrongdoing would lead to her being questioned if the rape even happened (i mean her father kind of alluded that she kind of wanted it). Which ofc doesn't make her not apologizing even 1 iota acceptable, because she's not thinking about the unjustice the man suffered for 16 years
This and give him all the money made from the book. So he could at least feel the validation that his accuser believes it is not him thats the monster she wrote about. The money bc it exploited his situation and so he can spend the rest of his life comfortably with his lovely wife. No more night shifts for them.
Huge embarrassment and shame.. like it takes a lot of humility. She might not have that ??
people don't have to meet for 'your' closure. if that's what would help you to do then you can do that. but yeah some monetary reparation from the book's proceeds would actually help.
Given that he wasn't exonerated or met with compensation until 2021, it's probably more accurate to say 35 years were stolen. He could insist his innocence, but he was legally obligated to admit the conviction and have it show up on the registry and background checks.
agree, he was shunned by society for rape conviction and probably couldnt find work!
@@careful1348 the house he had to live in. I can't even imagine that struggle
@@barbiietajanai6460I think Shaun King provided him a house 🏡
Nobody really care bout stuff like this because topic too sensitive sad…
Don't think you stay on the sex offenders list when you're exonerated.
Thank you for your humanity Stephanie. In this world today, it's easy to believe that none of that is left, but here you are.
them insisting anthony and number 5 dude looked similar???? nothing but racism was used to form that thought fr baffled
100%
🙄🙄🙄😒
No fr I was looking between the men trying to figure out who looked similar to who cuz they all look so different
Wasn’t Anthony number five?
@@salty_4275I don’t remember I gotta look again but the point was she didn’t care she just picked whoever and NONE of the guys in the line resembled each other
I wanted to acknowledge the recent news: it’s come to light that Alice Sebold falsely accused an innocent man who spent 16 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. Meanwhile, the true perpetrator walked free. My heart goes out to Anthony Broadwater. It’s no secret that our criminal justice system tends to target / treat black men more unfavorably (especially when accused by white women), and because the case brought against him back in the ‘80's was so flimsy that seems to be what happened here. One note: this doesn’t take away from the reality that millions of people experience sexual assault and should seek justice. I hope we can acknowledge the injustices that happen to SA victims as well as the injustices of our legal system without invalidating one or the other.
Indeed. 😢 poor guy.
Does she get punished for her wrong doing? I'm just starting this video and I know I'll be disappointed when she doesn't receive any repercussions. False accusations need to be taken seriously too, she took his life for 16years, that's so heinous.
@@Megabot-bo9ve Would this qualify as "false accusation" sounds like the crime was committed, but the wrong person was convicted.
White women's tears are deadly. We see it all the time---ranging from crying to avoid accountability or to turn another person (probably Black) into the aggressor. 16 years...there is no justice that can reconcile that. And the white women who weaponize their tears face no consequences.
@@Megabot-bo9ve Why would she be punished for the mistake, this falls more on the state for their racial bias and lack of thorough investigation.
I am not Alice, nor am I a black person. So, I have no idea what it’s like to be in her specific position nor do I know what it’s like to be a black person in this country. But I would like to say, as someone who has been a victim of rape, that Stephanie did a great job of being understanding & sensitive to the fact that Alice genuinely was raped while also acknowledging the absolute horrors that Anthony has gone through. “It’s Anthony’s time now.” Stuck out to me. Because, it’s true. She has told her story, and now it’s time for him to tell his.
Thank you for speaking up on this , Stephanie.
Imagine giving yourself to the police trying to prove you did nothing wrong and instead you're convicted of a crime you didn't commit. The judges and them whole lots are racists. Literally saying "how dare you a black man standing up for yourself and denying that you committed a crime that we are saying you committed?? Well here you go, extra couple of months on top of the sentence you're already serving. If you don't stand up for yourself then we'd take some months or years off your sentence because what we say goes" JUST IMAGINE😢
Wrong convictions happen all the time, which is why we should abolish the death sentence. Many black people are wrongfully convicted because... and this is embarrassing... perpetrators and victims cannot tell one from another.
It's as if a victim or witnesses identified a white person as a perpetrator and police arrested the first "suspicious looking white person" they came across.
And few people can imagine that.
Crazy
What's your proof it happened because he's black? Innocent white people get convicted of crimes as well. Every time something happens to black people, it's "racism" even though it happens to all other colors. Im so over this brainwashed response to everything, EVERYTHING that happens to black people.
Same thing happens to white people. Kinda a thing that people that believe they suffer from racism do, they are wronged, legitimately wronged and assume it’s because of ethnicity
He was very naive indeed … I’d think at least not nowadays no black or any other minority would trust their own the judgement of the court system … that only works for the rich and powerful/ well connected people
Elizabeth was an angel sent to him after his hardship I really believe that. That section moved me to tears.
absolutely. a fragile ray of hope
absolutely, a much needed ray of hope in a dark life
You did an excellent job of explaining what happened in these books and movie. Thank you 😢💐🥂🤳🏿
I agree!
Thank you for covering this. This breaks my heart.
The lack of accountability from everyone in this case is sad. Anthony never should've even been involved in the first place.
Its baffling that they pretty much picked any black man to serve time
I know Alice initially accused Anthony, but, after that lineup and the major lack of evidence, what proceded was the equivalent of having just pulled a random black guy off the street and saying "look we got our man!"
They literally pulled the "they all look the same" card when she picked the wrong man, too
It just reeks so much of racism and injustice
I think at 18 it was coercion from the police. It's genuinely hard to say what to think about 39 y.o Alice however
@@zoe_dawgfrom her book, she is no more mature than a 18 years old. In fact she is no different from suzie, it's very sad for the both of them
Believe it or not, this is something that’s happened a lot throughout history.. so many black men and women young black boys, killed or incarcerated for crimes they didn’t commit.. especially gRape of yt females:. Rose wood a town, white woman was having an affair, her white lover beat her assshh so she tells her hubby a black man did it.. SOOOOOOOO MANY BLACK MEN AND BOYS WERE KILLED!!!! Killed for something they had nothing to do with.. despicable..
@@mamewedjisylla7991 She was stunted from the r@pe.
Nothing new it’s been happening in the USA for hundreds of years that’s the sad part. Thousands if not close to millions of black men have been treated unjustly and murdered and babies fed to crocodiles 🐊 down south. And Slave masters did not pay for what they have done. They stole black Wall Street in Chicago each town black men built white racists 🔥 burnt down sad and the schools want to erase black history and act as if none of this happened, and they wonder why the former generation is soo fucked up while the current children of past slave owners that stole their wealth and enjoy the fruits 🍉 of others labor.
You such a good storyteller I don’t know when you’re reading or when you’r talking you’re so natural. Thank you.❤
The trauma of PTSD can do a real number on perception and memory. They're both victims of a system set up to be adversarial and not one to justly uncover the truth. And just like trauma can warp initial recovery of facts in this case, it could easily make it difficult for the victim to realize errors in the files years later. Just like she could not objectively dwell on the men in the line up due to being triggered by the situation long enough to be precise, years later, it could be similar. I can't judge Alice for not catching her errors.
I agree with you…I found her focus on being a “good girl” very unsettling. So what about “bad girls” who are victims? Are “bad girls” who become victims worth less than “good girls”? She seems to think so. So many victims already get judged or misbelieved because of their lifestyle choices, and she is helping to perpetuate this type of system. Or perhaps she feels the need to emphasise the fact that she was a good girl because so many people do judge female victims who have done anything “bad” in their lives. It’s almost as if she is pleading with our patriarchal society to see her as a real victim, and doing that by upholding the patriarchal value of the “ideal female victim”. However, whether she knows it or not, she is actually hurting herself and other victims by doing this…and she created another victim in the process.
She also says that her parents instilled in her a necessity to be a “good girl”, and so perhaps only by becoming a “good victim” could she regain that title…one that she had fought for, for her parents’ love, all her life.
Nevertheless, her assault was horrendous. I feel awful for her. I feel awful for Anthony. This is a story with no winners. Just pain, and suffering.
My heart goes out to all victims. To all the innocent in prison. To all victims of violence and abuse. We must all stand together.
It didn't seem to me like she personally feels "bad victims" have less value so much as she was pointing out that that's how the system treats them, which is 100% true. If she had been a nonvirgin assaulted on her way from a bar I can promise you that old white man would not have been crying over her testimony.
That's why prostitutes and strippers get raped, so often. They figure you're already in the sex industry, so how can you say I raped you? You're doing your job". I swear there are some horrible dudes out there.
Probably because she feels like she needs to prove something to her dad because he has a messed up mindset that she internalized. I think we need to be more tolerant and understand of that.
For example "No knife. No rape."
Remember she came from a messed up family with messed up viewpoints and that probably influenced her outlook on life.
Yet that doesn't negate what you said earlier.
I agree. I know how everyone looks at "bad girls" for example addicts and prostitutes, and how many people dont care when theyre murdered. It bothers me bc i used to be both of those things but have gotten sober. Now i would consider myself good in everything i do i dont lie, cheat, steal even litter. I help others as a cna about to be a nurse. I say this bc people are so quick to judge but just bc a person lives a bad lifestyle doesnt mean theyre a bad person. They are suffering. Thank you for saying this
It's because society used to say bad girls ask for it back then. She is probably making it clear it doesn't matter good or bad.. this happens.
The fact that she was bold and embraced the fact that she convicted the wrong guy and knew it and still went about her life without correcting her mistakes is truly despicable
fr I would be torn up over that, I don't know how she doesn't feel like she owes him an apology at the very least. it's possibly bc shes racist
We don't know what Alice Sebold truly believes that this man really r*ped her. Since she was unsure of the time of the assault. Unfortunately this kind of thing happens.
@@Sputterbugz Yeah, it really doesn't sit right with me. I understand she was SAed, but she made millions off of it and he was wrongfully committed to 16 years in prison and 20+ years of world ostracizing. At the very least you could apologize.
What’s even worse, her friend was r* *after* he was already in jail! Remember that he asked her friend where she is and that he had her keycard…
True. Hope she rots in hell for what she did
Thank you for shedding light on this🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Well done, Stephanie! Great cover on this. I’m so touched by the whole story that I’m 😭for how sad this is but also happy tears for the justice he finally received. As always, you deliver.
I’m in tears about this man’s integrity and commitment to a truth - he could’ve had 2 years instead of 16! I wish him and Elizabeth all the best in the rest of their lives…
He could have, but the cost of falsely admitting to being a horrific violent sex offender wouldn’t be worth it. I understand that. Being on the outside and allowing everyone to think you are the rapist…that’s no way for an innocent man to live. I would be more terrified of that reality than of staying in prison and maintaining my innocence.
@@Blueell yes i definitely agree with you! I would like to think I’d do the same but many times people also confess to things they didn’t do to get a lighter sentence. I’m glad he has survived this ordeal with a clean conscience and still has the strength to love and to work, even had generous wishes and comments towards Alice Sebold
This made me so upset. THEY LOOKED NOTHING ALIKE!!!
I have a question. Don’t Black people in general believe in collective and generational punishment for White people for things that happened 400 years ago (slavery)? Why don’t you apply those same ideas of collective punishment to yourself? So if one Black man commits rape, then by your own logic doesn’t it make all Black men guilty of rape?
SO EFFING REAL BRO
FRR
the absolute GRACE he’s given her, even after she confidently played a part in sending him to prison for 16 years. unbelievable. i hope she finds peace but also feels the loss of life taken from anthony because of the systems actions. anthony deserves peace in ALL of this
The mishandling of SA cases and "losing" SA Kits after collection and mishandling of those kits after collection is a horrifyingly widespread issue in CNY.
I remember reading The Lovely Bones in high school and hating it because the main character possesses the body of a character who is implied to be a lesbian and uses her body to have sex with her male crush. It felt so weird for the victim of an SA to violate someone's body like that, especially since that character was written by someone who had been SA'd. It just really, really rubbed me the wrong way.
I could never understand why this book was so popular. The ending is horrible.
I remember watching the movie long time ago, I remember the bad feeling that I got from that movie, it's feels 'unrest', and it's like trying to justify something that I don't agree with, pushing the idea of blaming 'God', but no character in that story took accountability of their action. Just self pity. Anger. Hatred. Glorified and romanticing victimhood.
Maybe it got popular because it said it based on 'true story' or something like that.
ohmygod that sounds horrible
It’s Lucky that I couldn’t read past the third chapter. I still can’t put my finger to what threw me off.
100%. It is wacky.
Thank you for sharing this story with wonderful opinions throughout.
In my opinion, this is the best episode you've ever done - and now my favourite. Systemic and institutionalised racism is such an important conversation to have and must be kept alive until proper reform is achieved.
The poor guy…. To be convicted of a crime you didn’t commit is awful, to be convicted of rape when you are innocent is beyond atrocious. The stigma cannot be unassuaged
yeah and doing a double sentence because he would not show remorse as innocent !
The fact that he's continue being kind after all of this is greatest thing ever 😭
That letter has no accountability and pissed me off even more!…. She sat in the trial and saw that was not the man… she has so many opportunities to help him but she only spoke up because she got caught smh
This case was mishandled in every possible way. Starting when the police announced to the whole dorm she was assaulted to when her friend force her to hug a man right after. That probably reinforces her feeling that she wasn’t safe and her boundaries not respected. From her professor who force her to relive publicly so recently after the incident. To the cops manipulating events to suits there needs. She was very young and traumatized. And Antony like so many took the blame and had his whole life stollen. It’s such a tragic story
Its beyond unbelievable that there is actually people out here who believe being raped is a choice made by the victim... Literally blaming them for "allowing it to happen"
That is infuriating.
I suspect they are a tiny minority. Although it’s true they do exist- there was a judge in I wanna say Connecticut (?) recently who on the day of a man’s sentencing for the rape of a 16 year old girl, instead VACATED HIS CONVICTION AND SENT HIM HOME, saying “he’s been punished enough. This is what happens when you let coed youngsters get together and sit around in their undergarments.” (This f****** maniac actually used the word “undergarments”, Iike it was the 1950s. Essentially blaming HER for her own rape.
Well, suffice it to say the child victim ran out of the courtroom sobbing and the girls father (bless his goddamn heart) was relentless and after a year or so he managed to persuade the state board to strip him of his robes and he can never be a judge again.
THANK THE LORD.
So my ultimate point is, although this sort of wild victim blaming does happen, I think it’s the exception to the rule.
the first red flag went up when she said anthony and the man she chose from the lineup looked “identical” when they absolutely did not, especially following the way in which she was suspicious/scared of all black men following her assault. she isn’t a bad person for what she went through, but wanting someone to blame is not a good enough reason to jail an innocent man. seeing the way she avoided taking accountability for what she put him through (ie. the passive language “i’m sorry for what has been done to him” in her already nearly secret “statement”) after he was pushed time and time again to take accountability for something he had never known about until he was in court for it made me nauseous. anthony deserves every ounce of freedom and more
Damn 🙄 Right.
i agree, Also the fact she made millions just doesnt seem right, Sylvestor Stalone copied the life story of an Irish boxer( the last white hope they named him) for Rocky in the first movies and he didnt pay the guy a penny! always thought that unfair
That is post trauma, after a stressful encounter with this short Italian guy, for a while I at times thought I was seeing him in public and I would freeze, often the person turned out not to look very much like him up close. This was a white guy so I'm sure it can happen back when there were less people of color in media and white people have more trouble differentiating
@@careful1348 but this is her story, if someone does their own story they don't have to go back and contact everyone and also pay them, that wasn't Sylvester story
she was r worded what do you expect? stop victim blaming!
This situation is haunting. I really pray that Anthony has received monetary for the years he was falsely convicted.
You told this so well 👏🏽thank you for sharing I had no idea this was happening and it brought me to tears to see a black man in his 60’s break down in tears. Have a black father around that age it would break my heart if he was ever in that predicament. It’s awful 😢
I would have been more impressed if she withdrew the book Lucky from sales, or donated part of the proceeds to Anthony as compensation, as he was a fellow victim
agreed
Agreed, but would add that at least half of the proceeds should go to him, including residuals from the film! I read that book and then saw the movie. Now I’m left with a bitter taste in my mouth and won’t watch or promote it to anyone else. That guy should have life long monthly payouts, and after he passes they should continue to pay his children for as many years as he was locked up.
@@emmaburgessdean2355 Agreed
@@emmaburgessdean2355 thing is that he apparently never had any children due to this. At least that is what was said in the video. He didn't want to make a child have to grow up with a stigma of having a father who is in the s. offender-registry. :/
Yes, that's a very good idea, but I still believe it's not her fault. Eye witness testimony is proven unreliable over and over, and the police, DA, and prosecution should have done their job INVESTIGATING. All she did was believe she recognized her attacker.
I feel so sorry for both of them, and for each and every innocent inmate, found guilty of crimes they didn't committ.
I’m like wow, 2 truths and 2 lives forever messed up. A victim of Rape, a victim of Justice. Both truths are sad in there own right, and both people will live with it for the rest of their lives, while the perpetrator runs free.
Nah, he is a victim of her.
yeah.. but she's a victim with money and he's a victim with nothing..
Finally, someone with good sense
@@onieyashaNo, I'm sorry, money doesn't heal anything. This year is the 30th anniversary of my SA and no amount of riches will give me back the person I was before. There are two victims here and both deserved better.
Sure Alice was wrong for some things..but the justice system is the true failure here. They wanted Anthony to hang for this whether it was him or not. The cop going after the 3 black men who were not doing anything while he was driving around with Alice looking for Anthony says it all. Anthony went to prison for the crime of existing as a black man..plain and simple..and disgusting.
5:19 thank you editor for adding the _swoosh_ sound effect in the pod casts when there’s pertinent images to the case. Often I am listening while multitasking to chores. It really helps to understand the details of the event. Thank you.
So heavy- In so many ways! Thank you for going through this all!
It feels kinda gross that she won't even meet with the man whose life she played a role in ruining, even if she didn't really mean to ruin the life of an innocent man. She wanted closure for her rape, but refuses to help give closure to Anthony when her trauma happened 20 years prior while Anthony's only just ended.
What happened to her was horrible, but I don't think that means she shouldn't be expected to try to do what she reasonably can to help remedy the mistakes she made. I just don't get how you can feel your life got ruined and then not be eaten by guilt when you accidentally helped ruin another life.
As steph said, two things can be true at the same time. She can be both an assault victim and a horrible person
she wont accept the fact the she's not the only victim in her own story.
Another thing I found quite unsettling was that in her statement, she put the blame and focus rather heavily on the justice system and other people rather than mentioning the mistakes she had made herself as well.
@@phython124calling her a horrible person for that is crazy..
@@hihiz432yes she’s a horrible person for knowing she chose the wrong man in a line up, literally writing about it and making a boatload of money off it. Then not even having the shame to meet the wrongly convicted man who spent 16 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit, and who also basically lived in poverty because he couldn’t find a decent job as a registered sex offender. Everything is about her and her suffering.
The fact that if she never got as much popularity from her books that she received, he still would be "guilty"
Damn Truth 😅
Damn. I hadn't even thought of that.
Frr
If she writes a book which makes a reader doubt Anthony's guilt, then she must have felt or known it too. But I guess in her mind it was: "It makes me feel better about the horrendous trauma I experienced if someone with a very slim chance of being guilty is punished for it, rather than no one at all."
Thank you for sharing this story and giving glimpse at some of the criminal level misconduct perpetrated by police, prosecutors, and judges. Sadly, this corruption takes place every single day all across our county, and most other countries as well.
Some reports show that there are around 1,000 people a year wrongly convicted and around 20,000 wrongly convicted people currently in prison here in the United States. Personally, I think those numbers are likely conservative. Regardless, as a society, we need to expose such corruption and hold the individuals involved accountable. Government employees, at all levels, need to be reminded that they are servants to the people, not masters over them.
End qualified immunity now.
I dont blame 18 year old Alice. She was an extremely traumatized teenager with little experience in being an adult.
She trusted the DA and the system and they had an agenda.
However, i absolutely judge the much older Alice who wrote Lucky. Who examined the case, evidence and trials years after the fact and still wrote Lucky.
And i especially blame current day Alice for not doing anything to make things right. She should pull Lucky from print and give as much procedes from that book she still has to Anthony. All this on top of an actual well published apology letter
What’s she supposed to “make right” when she isn’t the one who did anything wrong? It’s not HER fault that the system is corrupt, so why is she somehow personally responsible for it?
@@professionalinsomniac8338because she knew she chose the wrong guy then willingly and knowingly wrote a book about his wrongful conviction. Thats just flat out not okay. She easily could’ve I dunno proposed a retrial on his behalf and not made a bunch of money off someone who was innocent. It’s just wrong, someone can be a victim and be wrong, two things can be true at once.
@@lilweedsea except she didn’t and she’s allowed to write about her own life and experiences. And seriously? Getting him a retrial isn’t her responsibility, and I’m not denying someone can be both a perp and a victim, I’m flat out saying you’re wrong and she didn’t do anything to victimize him. You won’t convince me otherwise so trying is futile.
@@professionalinsomniac8338wtf
@@professionalinsomniac8338 she knowingly ruined an innocent man’s life. No amount of trauma or life experiences excuses that in any way shape or form. Her trauma is no less nor greater than his. And since she was ultimately responsible for calling him the perp while knowing he truly wasn’t she is responsible for giving him an honest and public apology as well as appropriate compensation just as the justice system gave him that for their part in the whole mess. She may not be fully responsible for everything that happened, but she played a massive part in it and should be held accountable in full. Being a victim doesn’t make you untouchable for accountability.
The discussion happening is mostly Alice vs Anthony
But at the end of the day an entire police squad and court system knowingly put an innocent man in prison
These are the people who hold the true power to ruin lives and ironically keep us in danger
This !! what alice did to anthony should not be forgiven however she was a victim of a horrible act. she was raped and tortured the police enabled her, everything is really on the justice system
They didn't just put an innocent man in jail. They allowed a rapist to walk free. It's awful when an innocent person goes to jail, but a huge issue with wrongful convictions that people tend to gloss over is the fact that the true criminal is allowed to walk free with no consequences and able to hurt more people.
so we're going to ignor that she claimed an innocent man looked like her attacker even tho he looked NOTHING lik the attacker? we're going ignore the fact that he was convicted based on her li? its not JUST the justice systems fault.
@@JulyIzHere it is the justice systems fault. they shouldve caught on with the evidence. Also they basically manipulated her by saying her orginal choice was wrong. she also was panicking and wanted to get out of there as soon as possible. she was acting as any victim would.
@@cinnisnotokshe couldve said i dont know. the justice system isnt that bad the thing is if a vic picks someone out of a line up thats a huge point of evidence. There might not even be a case if she hadnt picked anyone out
So glad you covered this. I'd heard about it multiple times but the tone and implication was that Alice Sebold never was assaulted and she made all this up out of malicious spite. That really doesn't seem to be the case.
That being said, I agree with the others. She was super loud and clear about Mr. Broadwater's guilt, but then she posts an article on the deep web (unlisted on search engines) as her apology and refuses to meet him? That's hard to stomach. I don't blame her for being wrong, it really is on the legal system to base their accusations on more than junk science and eye witness testimony (of a VERY traumatized young woman) and not railroad suspects. I do blame her for not seeming to get that he would have NEVER been imprisoned for this without her and not showing more empathy to him.
Horrible horrible case. He loses 35 years of his life to this. She now knows she never got justice and potentially her attacker was out there reading her books and laughing about how he screwed her over. No winners here, besides the actual perpetrator. That really sucks.
This was a really interesting one. I'm super sad though. How awful to lose so many years of your life.
Also, people should always consider that he may be institutionalized after that amount of time effectively ruining the rest of his life too. So technically they took his whole life span from the moment she pointed her fingers. 🥺
I feel so bad for Anthony. He did not deserve to be in prison for sixteen years for something that he didn’t even do.
And if you think about it, he basically gave up so much more for a crime he didn't commit, he spent over twenty years denying the crime, he lost loved ones to the injustice he suffered, he lost his father while serving for said injustice, he even gave up on having children with the love of his life because of it. This is honestly just so horrible, bro couldn't even find a good job, he suffered so much
This is absolutely insane to me I can’t comprehend how this could be possible!!! When the heads of multiple gangs reviewed Anthony’s file and came to the conclusion that he was not guilty yet a prosecutor and a judge were incapable of doing the same…yet the prosecutor and judge are the ones that hold the lives of so many in the palms of their hands!!!
Welcome to being Black in America.
Thank you for covering this! It was truly a travesty of justice on both sides. I'm grateful that Anthony was able to be free, find love, and hopefully peace.
I love what you wrote.
What strikes me the most is how truly good of a man Anthony seems to be. Even after everything he was put through, he's found the strength and grace to show compassion and forgiveness to his accuser. The whole ordeal is horrible for everyone involved, but I truly hope that she agrees to meet with him, to put the past to rest.
It's awful that this man was wrongfully convicted.
#believeallwomen
@@dashlivingston5975yes but in this case the woman was wrong and led to a man’s wrongful conviction
@@dashlivingston5975idk if you being sarcastic but this is not the time
@@pluspens2134that doesn’t mean u shouldn’t believe the victim she was a victim and so was he he should have never went to jail there was no proof but that dont mean everybody is a liar
@@dashlivingston5975stop trying to stir something. Really not the time or place to. This situation should not discredit other female victims.
The fact that she became a wealthy author and found out that he was wrongfully convicted and didn’t at least try to give him money to not have to work 9-16 hours a day and only issued an underground semi acknowledgment apology is wild. It feels in-genuine
She didn’t try and give him money!
I believe sale of books themselves were placed on a halt and for a potiental rewrite or revise, so possible that she might write a new version of it and give the money made from that version to him but that's just speculation. I do think she should've given at least a portion of the money she made off of sales, but considering the stated revision that may come, I think it's still possible. Still kinda shit to delay it, though
@@raumarsene9910 ya, i feel like if she does it’ll be out of peer pressure/ to save face, cuz if was out of like pure intention/ guilt I feel like she would’ve given him portions of the initial book rather than waiting for profit from the revised book. But these r just my speculations as well 🤷🏽♀️
If they make a movie about Anthony i hope they name it "The Accused"