I Watched Ancient Apocalypse So You Don't Have To (Part 2)
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Howdy friends! In this video, we continue our deep dive into the wonderful and imaginative world of Graham Hancock, journalist, sociologist, pseudoscientist, and pyramid enthusiast. In his most recent documentary series on Netflix, Hancock postulates the existence of an ancient lost civilization that dominated the world at the end of the last ice age. Throughout this series I will be taking a balanced look at this claim, weighing each piece of evidence presented, in an attempt to determine whether or not there is sufficient evidence to support this potentially history-altering theory.
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VIDEO CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction and Addendum
01:40 Lesson 3: Sirius Rising
03:12 Malta's Settlement
04:15 Gigantia
07:08 Gahar Dalam Cave
07:45 Cart Ruts
10:09 You Can't Be Sirius
16:15 What Do Egyptians Have to Do With This?
17:41 A Special Thanks To Our Sponsor
19:33 Lesson 4: Ghosts of a Drowned World
21:24 The Bimini Wall (The Bimini Road)
25:45 Beach Rock Bonanaza
30:10 Its Not A Road
35:48 The Blue Hill Bay Archaeological Site
39:23 Maps Drawn by People Hundreds of Years Ago
41:09 The Piri Reis Map
44:13 Ice Free Antarctica
45:00 How To Make a Bad Argument
46:41 Credits and Thank Yous
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Eyy GGs for trending in last vid
How is 833,000 "creeping up on 800k"? ;) Congrats for handily beating your self declared goal.
If I am right witch I probably ain't could the "train/cart/tram lines" on the first island be searock?
I live down the street from edgar cayces a.r.e in virginia beach
WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE! 😂
Milo hating Atlantis while giving major Milo from Disney’s Atlantis energy is the funniest thing that he could do
@Angelina shut up bot
@Angelina shut up, bot
I mean.... They're both archeologist
@@randoms2222 Milo from Atlantis was a Linguist, I'm pretty sure
@@ezragoldberg3132 He is, because he's a discount Daniel Jackson from Stargate
No, Milo, you don't understand.
Atlantis was so advanced they constructed everything out of completely biodegradable materials! Except for one little turny bit of road.
they were peak sustainable civilization. we should learn from them
The whole "we can't find anything because humans always live at the shore that is now below sea level" argument falls apart once you realize human civilizations didn't actually form near the coasts. They formed in river valleys. Which are above sea level now and were above sea level 12,000 years ago.
@@frankvandorp9732 that’s not what the experts say
@@Bingobanana4789 The experts say civilizations didn't form along the Nile, the Euphrates and Tigris, the Indus and the Yangtze?
Where did you go to school?
@@frankvandorp9732 of course they did but the first settlements began on the coast. You must be the only fanny on the planet proclaiming they aren’t
“This is the sun. This is a star. This is a doorway. What do all three of these things have in common? They’re all things that Graham Hancock has a loose understanding of.” (13:50) LMFAO SWISH
One of the most casual, devastating insults in modern history. Beautiful.
#roasted
Every thing Milo says about it is “don’t forget about the fucking sun dumbass.” 😂
12:49 True story: My ancestors build a sacred place to house the matriarch of their family, as that was the head of their (then) culture. The structure was created in less then a couple years (through manual labor. not slaves...they built it and with amazing precision. so precise, modern-day type tools would have had to have been used!). It's still standing today, though it's not the same, culturally, that it used to be.
....if you haven't guessed: I just telling you "my dad and uncle built my grandmas house" 👍
This is a decent example of how saying a fact in particular way can make it look like it supports some whack job theory
AKA Graham Hancock-ism
@@SkyPerson thank you 👍 It saddens me that more and more people choose to converse in this way.
@@evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879 add something about ritual structure and pointed at celestial whatever direction and you'd have ordinary gravestones pointing East.
Haha. You definitely proved that the way a situation is described can make it seem like something totally more significant. Words can have a powerful effect on the comprehension of the subject….
@@KasumiRINA "the structure's opening faces certain directions relative to the summer and winter solstices, indicating that its builders had an understanding of astrology."
He is giving out "How Many Times Do We Have to Teach You This Lesson, Old Man?" Energy
He is considering to throw priceless artifacts at an old liar.
At this time it's no more than trolling of an Archeology Pioneer adventurer old man by very very very very very stupid people and an Archeoligical pseudo scientist that leads their way. - BUT HE'S NOT AN ARCHEOLOGICAL PSEUDO SCIENTIST BECAUSE HE'S GOT A PONY TAIL TALKS FAST AND IS SSO COOL!! :)
spotted the sycophant
The amount of times is probably the number of episodes, I'd hope
@@danielfrost4329 off crs - That's a lotta money to be made for MIlo and his team, who cares of its true or not???! :) haha money baby
Hi Maltese person here, I went to watch the Malta episode just to see the bs first hand. There was a solid 5 minutes where Hancock was in a fishing village and taking about "cart ruts" leading into the sea. The only thing is that those weren't cart ruts, they were ruts created by fishermen bringing their boats out of the water and putting them back in depending on the season. So this man making an official archeology documentary can't even ask a local what he's looking at 😐
- What is this?
- Sir, it's your finger.
- Fascinating! Write that down!
bahahahaha oh god that's awesome.
How has CBS not contacted you?
The ruts were not created by fisherman and some of them are perfectly straight 20" deep in solid rock. This is mostly baloney and suggesting this guy knows more than Hancock is ridiculous.
@dougcard5241 Except they were and he does.
Milo switches between the cool teacher, to the funny teacher, to a youtuber persona, and comedian flawlessly
Which is really annoying. Cut out the pointless sophomoric shtick and be a professional educator not a stupid tiresome clown.
The first story of Atlantis was written by Plato as a thought experiment/ethics lesson. People took it at face value and now we have this Netflix series.
People talk about Lemuria and that was just in a comic book short story writing.
What's insane is that Plato tells you exactly where to find Atlantis and people were like "Ok what if Plato was right about everything... except where it was located?"
Of a nation roughly the same size as Spain...
And according to him Athens would've been about 10,000 years old despite the fact Athens is most definitely not 10,000 years old...
My point is, Plato was full of shit...
The simple logic that gets me is if plato is the first mention of this civilization and written language has been around in multiple cultures long before plan to then why is there no other mention of it. This would make me believe it must be a story or experiment and not historical evidence. It would be the same a humans 2000 years from now taking LOTR as evidence that middle earth really existed as some ancient history we forgot about.
not just plato. There is plenty of scientists and historical figures that had incredible impacts on human advancement that where wrong about many things. They where at least willing to take the risk to be wrong or full of bull. That being said it is important to use critical thinking and evidence to evaluate what is true or useful and what is not.
I just realized why my college had to offer a introduction to critical thnlng course as part of their curriculum.
So your just making up why Plato told the story and you complain that Hancock makes things up. Pathetic
Graham heard hooves and made the very logical conclusion that it’s not a zebra, it’s a unicorn.
Then milo looked and told him it was a horse.
It's like a unicorn and a pegasus had a baby and that's why only Graham can hear its hooves.
*ancient globe spanning civilization of unicorns
Nah im pretty sure it was Atlantis 😊
No mountain goat..terradactyl?
When you realize all stairs are a series of terraces rising to a summit and are therefore pyramids according to Graham Hancock since he never specified how many sides pyramids need to have
All stadiums are technically reverse pyramids 😂
@@StevenZephyca pyramid mold.
Wonder how they shook them out?
@@StevenZephycIf you define a summit “right”, a stadium _is_ a pyramid
@@DeathnoteBBi guess modern society has made many impressive pyramids then
If I stack coins is it a pyramid?
I am incredibly late to this, but I would like to give some context to the story of Atlantis. (as best as i remember it)
It was written by Plato, who says that he heard the story from his grandfather, who heard it from an Athenian Statesman (i can't remember who)(also this statesman lived a couple of hundred years before Plato was born) who heard it from and Egyptian priest, who claimed it happened 9000 years before that.
The story boils down to:
After losing Athens to Athena, Poseidon claims an island and has a bunch of sons (11 or 12, can't remember), who split the island (Atlantis) between them, with one of them being the actual King while the others rule over other parts of it. Over time, the divinity in their blood became less - the first generation was 50% godly, the next was 25%, then next was 12.5%, etc. As such, they became more susceptible to hubris (excessive pride - there are a ton of myths about hubris being bad - Arachne and Icarus are a few). Because of this hubris, the Kings began to believe that they were the greatest - which was kind of true, since according to the myth they had the greatest naval empire at the time. So they set their sights on Athens. I can't remember this bit as well, but I'm pretty sure what basically happens is Athens wins and because of their hubris or something Poseidon sinks the island beneath the waves. Unfortunately, the only part most people seem to know is "Atlantis is sunk beneath the waves".
Some other fun details about this story include:
- Plato explicitly tells us where Atlantis is (just beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which represented the edge of the mortal world and the divine one. They're between Spain and Morocco)
- He makes a map of it
- Even in Ancient Greece, people knew it was just a story and not to be taken too seriously
- The Athens described in it is a lot more equal than the Athens at the time - the army that fought for Athens was described to have both men and women in it.
- It was less the most advanced civilisation and more the richest
- Once again, everyone at the time knew it was made up - Plato made a map and said "oh, the reason the names of all these people from another civilisation in a completely different place is because I translated their names to the closest Greek names", which is a hell of a lot of effort and would have probably taken a lot of research, but that might just be because nowadays, most people don't know the meaning of names, but in Ancient Greece the mythology was full of characters name "Glory of Hera" (Heracles), "Glory of his father" (Patroclus), "Distant War" (Telemachus), etc.
Now that I think about it, the myth taking place 9,300 year before Plato, who lived about 2,300 years ago, whish adds up to 11,600 might be where Hancock got his 12,800 date from.
Tldr: Atlantis is a Greek myth that, even at the time, everyone knew didn't actually happen and was just an allegory. Also it's explicitly stated where it was.
Edit: I recently learned that Graham Hancock admitted to using hallucinogens whilst coming up with these theories. He admitted to this in a TED Talk. He used the hallucinogens to help with his two decade weed addiction. I feel like this is kind of relevant to Graham's theories.
that makes it even more proveably just a story because we have REALLY good records of when Athens was founded/built up, and its not 11.600 yrs ago, like it would have to have been for the military power it displays in the story
All those myths and legends are no different than our comic books, novels, and movies. It's literally just ancient fantasy with metaphors or moral themes woven into them. Ancient comic books if you want to call them haha. In the future, archeologists are going to be confused wether or not middle earth existed and if there actually was a death star or Darth Vader.
That was not tl and I definitely r'd it. Thank you.
It’s kind of like having someone 1000 years from now not realizing that Star Trek was a sci-fi entertainment genre, and assuming that humans had somehow lost the secrets of interstellar travel and knowledge of alien species, and only had recently regained it and still can’t find where the Klingons went in the 1000 years since…
You are a little off in your maths there buddy. Plato lived in about 440 bc, you yourself said plato claimed atlantis to have been 9,300 years before him. which is 9730 bc, exactly when Hancock and Randall claim the Cataclystic floods to have happened. I do not know much about what plato said about Atlantis but if you got something so simple wrong I definitley question the rest of your statement.
You also state no one in ancient greece even belived in atlantis, which is wrong becauce Xenocrates was one of Plato's students whos work survived and he heavily stated he belived Plato had not made up Altantis and believed it to be a true story.
Your claim that Plato heard it from his grandfather who heard it from an athenian stateman is also wrong. Solon is attributed with bringing the story of Atlantis to Athens. Solon is said to be Platos ancestor. While not a direct decendant Solon had a brother who we believe to have been Plato's great great granfather. so they did not hear it off a random statemens but claims he heard it from family.
Hancock has not 'recently admitted' to taking hallucinogens. He has been open about his time with depression, Migraines, seizures and other issues with pain killers and has said in interviews over 10 years ago that he used weed to help deal with the pain and then switched to dmt which 1, has been used by many ancient civilisations and 2, is currently being tested heavily in the EU and USA. The fact you do not know this about him tells me you have not given much research at all about him, his theories or what his actual evidence he has, and he does have some evidence is on.
While I do not fully belive in Hancock, He has done a lot of reasearch, has some very big names in science now backing him as the evidence is more in his favour than against him. And the least you could do is atleast watch his lectures and interviews properly before judging his entire arguement when you cleary are not the most researched.
i think the funniest thing about graham's show is that literally everyone interested in these individual sites would talk at least a dozen people's heads off if given the chance and funding. they're in this field for a reason - and it's because they're passionate about it. they are exactly the opposite kinds of people trying to "hide" things.
Late to the party, but funny thing regarding the popularity of clairvoyants in the 40s, Harry Houdini was famous for debunking them. He'd pay "mediums" and have them "channel the spirit of his mother" and after they'd say something like "Oh Harry, I miss you!", he would inform them that his mother didn't speak English and that his name wasn't actually Harry and she never called him by it.
Harry based.
absolute madlad
houdini was his time's randi? thats pretty funny
@@P-nk-m-na I love Randi! I believe in psychic abilities in the sense that it's a form of science humans just don't understand yet. But there are so many people out there who slather it in pop-culture bullshit to make it seem like something it isn't. Randi's work was incredible, and we need more people like him to tackle predatory clowns
@@Jayman2800idk why u believe in that but okay
As a Puerto Rican that currently lives on the island, when you made the connection and explained what that island was in the map I was SO suprised. They really sold it as something so mysterious in the series that there was no way for me to figure out what it was! And i Live here! Imagine literally anyone else, its so dangerously misleading.
wowzers
Same mano- Saaame
When you turned it with the north facing up, the first two things i thought of in the context of the caribbean were cuba and puerto rico
Yo también soy boricua brother, de verda que el Hancock ese esta cabrón tratando de convencer a to el mundo de que atlantis estaba en el caribe😂😂
As another island Puerto Rican, I can respect Milo's wild attempt at pronouncing Vieques (Bee-eh-kess). I can respect the attempt, and I can respect the confidence. Love your content and #puertoricomentioned
A dolphin knows it's a psuedo-fish. Hancock thinks he is a fish
hancock is dumber than a dolphin
When I saw the images of the Bimini "road" what struck me is how much it doesn't look like the ancient roads we're used to. If the so-called Atlantians were so advanced and shared their knowledge with ancient peoples, then why don't we see the majority of ancient roads looking like the stones in Bimini? Most ancient roads seem to be comprised of relatively small stones placed fairly close together. Bimini shows rather large stones that would take huge effort to move even eoth todays machines. The rule of work smarter not harder seems to favor the types of roads seen built by the Romans and not Graham's Atlantians.
As someone who also enjoys having light in my giant stone box, I rate this episode 10/10.
Yeah even when those stone boxes have no roof lol rolf.. And those doorways track Sirius through the sky over the years meaning those temple doorways face sirius with each changing position of the star in the sky over the years 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That guy imilo s such a confident clown its fucking hilarious.
@@robruitenberg4064 I couldn't understand your comment, could you use more emojis?
@@robertnett9793 🙏😊🤝
Edit: Translation - Thank you kind sir!
@@DaEpikMan 😮👍♥️
translation good job on being kind unlike most on CZcams I'm surprised
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Genuinely surprised Milo didnt bring up the easiest way to debunk Atlantis: it was a story Plato told as a metaphor for a nation's hubris. It was literally a fictional story meant to be a cautionary tale to not piss off the gods or Poseidon will swallow your island into the ocean.
Even when it was just a myth, everybody knew it wasnt real.
Wheres the evidence for that?
@@grapefruitsimmons literally. The story of atlantis itself. The original story. That plato told.
@@TheEepyMagi This doesn't help at all since the Atlantis believers know it came from Plato but believe he was being literal about the story. Everyone already knows this
@@gabegabriel9288 i guess if you truly believe a lost city was ruled by Poseidon's demigod sons, you're beyond help, huh?
Making up a story as an allegory to help support a point was a thing Plato was known to do.
Thought experiments to help teach philosophy was one of his favourite things.
What motivation would there be to hide these things? As a historian who studied archeology, Graham Hancock makes me irritated beyond the pale. Good job, Milo!
do you...know? what a netflix deal gets you? money, cash, green, dough, graham hancock decided to lie for his paycheck.
@alexbowlin7044 I'm talking about what motivation historians and archeologists would have to allegedly hide all this. Why would they hide a 12,000+ years ago world-wide civilization? They wouldn't.
Makes me think of the idea of "mainstream academia" hiding giants
Like, I could maayyybeee understand aliens, but what purpose would any organization have to put all of their effort into hiding evidence that a race of particularly large people existed in the past?
@@lde-m8688 even tho this comment was made 3 months ago, I had to comment because it hits the nail so well. People really dont get it how scientists would die to discover those things.
The ET Reptilians s who set up the ancient Supercivilization, which is now the Illuminati NWO, prefer to remain hidden from the masses so they can more easily control us.
Late to the party. When you're talking about the Maltese door orientations all facing roughly southeast, the farmer in me didn't immediately twick into the sun's relationship to said doors but to the direction of the prevailing winds. In our part of the world, they come out of the northwest. Most farmers put their big openings on barns and machine shops facing south. Yes, in part, for illumination, but more for keeping the roof on. Animal windbreaks, which don't always have rooves (like the Maltese structures), also usually face southeast. They make a difference in negating dust and snow and reducing windchill. Just an observation.
Cool
Maltese fishermen: "Yo, sick decals my dudes. Can we copy those ? "
Egyptian fishermen: "Sure do, fisher-bro. "
Maltese fishermen: "Righteous... "
at least, that is how, I think, the conversation went among Maltese and Egyptian fishermen about the eye of horus thing.
Like totally tubular broski
More or less.
I like to think this conversation happened in Latin between two Roman subjects but maybe the Egyptians were too Greco-Romanized at this point to put the eye of Iris on their boats at this point in time?
@@johnxina5126 oculus video everything in my loose understanding of latin that means the eye sees everything
They totally hung with Bill and ted
"Maybe it was flying cars"
Building a road on the ground for flying cars makes exactly as much sense as the rest of Hancock's points.
Maybe they were maglev? :)
@@xczechr bro that requires iron in large quantities enough to conduct high amounts of electricity
@@adiartechsales8613 maybe the mag stands for magic and not magnetic
@@jamiejam9976 I kindly request you to
1) Google maglev(I am assuming you have it)
2)pay attention in science class
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads
This work is more important than ever before. Pseudoscience and conspiratorial theoretics are so prominent in our society.
They are prominent because of the negative impact of the internet and social media. They came into fruition however owing to the largely entertainment-based nature of the culture. Once Hollywood began to flood the zone with movies and television about these types of things = that gave rise to what is today a niche industry peddling "alternative" nonsense.
So Hancock et al are really just exploiting all the "free publicity" created by Hollywood to monetize the customer base which has been created over the past 70 years. The solution as always is exposure and debunking + improvement of the educational system so that the gullible minions for this trash learn to recognize it for what it really is.
so you don't believe in conspiracies?
@@loneranger3261 you do?
@@loneranger3261, do you understand the difference between "a conspiracy" and "conspiratorial thinking"?
Because there are conspiracies, but when you start thinking *everything* is a conspiracy, then you have a problem.
The richest men in America conspired to overthrow the government in the 1930's and replace it with a fascist dictatorship. That was a real conspiracy, it's the Business Plot.
The government is not putting flouride in tap water to calcify your pineal glad. That's paranoia and you're starting to detach yourself from reality.
@@loneranger3261 Not without sufficient evidence, I'd rather not spend my whole life afraid that I'm being lied to by everyone about everything simply because someone wants me to trust that I am
Oh wow. "I'm no more a pseudoscientist than a dolphin is a pseudofish."
As #17 once said: "Uh... wow! You want a minute to rephrase that there, chief?"
Bro accidentally admitted he wasn't a scientist
I know a lot of 6-year-olds who wouldn't hesitate to inform him that dolphins are _mammals_
@@BlackCanary87 r/iamverysmart
What's really melting my brain is how some people think that Atlantis was real, when the very first sentence on it's god damn wikipedia entry says that it's an fictional island used as an allegory by Plato. Somehow these people never consider that humans like to make up stories. Imagine someone 2000 years from now finds a copy of Lord of the rings, decyphers it and just accepts it as historical record, assuming that Krakatoa errupted because a shoeless boy threw a ring in it.
lotr really is the most likely one for this to happen to, considering how much effort JRRT put into presenting it as a translation of another book, and all the con-langs he made up for it
Just tell you version ,these hit pieces make you seem pretty shallow and petty.
As much as I agree with you, the only thing I can say is, I question anything written on Wikipedia 😂
@@buttercreamfrosting3869 I mean, you can read Plato's allegories and writings yourself too, theres loads of translations and lots are in the public domain
@@buttercreamfrosting3869 good point. but in my experience it's good enough for basic stuff.
I'm really glad you talked about Hancock's saying "I'm no more a pseudoscientist than and dolphin is a pseudofish". That quote really made me upset cause I couldn't believe that one of the editors actually approved that. I spent at least 10 mins with the documentary paused trying to understand what I just heard, only to lose interest with the series and finish the episode a few days later. Like it made me question my own intelligence, like maybe Hancock was on another level conscience and I just haven't reached enlightenment yet
If your iq is over 115 then about 85% of everyone you meet is dumber
That really did just sound like Hancock admitting that he wasn't a scientist at all.he just sort of vaguely resembles one if you don't look too hard.
I kinda think it was a Freudian slip on Hancock’s part.
I mean, deep in his heart, he’s got to know that he’s full of shit..🤣
Maybe you've got an engram inside of you, you need to cleanse the body.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 deep in his heart, he’s got to know that a dolphin isn’t a fish, right? 😅
A more charitable interpretation of the dolphin line is that it would be silly to call a dolphin a fake fish when it isn't a fish at all, but a mammal, and it would be similarly silly to view Hancock as a fake scientist when he isn't a scientist at all, but a journalist (which you say is the way he chooses to present himself).
Whenever I hear about giant theories, I typically equate it to something like hereditary gigantism (meaning the excessive release of growth hormone resulting in people as tall as 9 feet), or a very small subsection of the population passing on genes that allowed them to grow to be 8-12 inches taller than the rest of the people around them. I've always heard that humans in general were quite a bit shorter on average in the past. If the tallest person you'd ever seen or met was 5'1" and Shaq (7'1") or Andre (7'4") walked in, you'd think giant. Not saying I know any of this is true or not, but that's where my mind goes. And it seems a fair bit more realistic than actual "giants".
All it takes is a population that is a bit shorter than the human average and another that is a bit larger. And over many generations of aural tradition that turns into fighting a giant.
A bit like how the dwarfs in Elder Scrolls aren't acual dwarfs. They are just regular size like all the other elves (because dwarves and orcs are a type of elf in that world)
They got that name from the giants they met. (actual giants at least twice the size of "regular" people")
@@HappyBeezerStudios Some the oldest texts describe the biblical giant Goliath as being about 6 feet 9 inches tall. Hardly a giant by fantasy novel standards, but more than tall enough to frighten anyone going up against him in battle, especially if he were heavily armored & armed with a spear.
I mean, Andre was LITERALLY a giant, so is Paul Wight aka Big Show and Omos, all of them have disorders that made them grow beyond ordinary human range, condition sometimes known as acromegaly or gigantism... thankfully, now it can be stopped so they actually live past 45.
BUT ALSO, some nations are just taller than others on average. Jews, and other local Semitic peoples, finding a Philistine _colonizer from Europe_ very large isn't anything supernatural, Goliath was simply from a nation who were taller than Semites, who are pretty short on average! I mean, an average Croat would STILL tower over people in Jordan.
Hell, you can see a pic with marines in USA, South and North Koreas and how comedic they look next to each other (hint: one of these countries doesn't have much food). Any NBA player already looks like a giant, but then have them in SouthEast Asia, and it just looks comical.
So to people saying "haha giants are a myth" umm, I seen them dunk and being thrown over the top rope.
I think even someone like Jared Padalecki (6'4) would qualify as a giant for many people
It's sad that our history isn't amazing enough for some people.
I love history as it is, but it would be mind-blowing and extremely fascinating if Hancock was right.
Afterall, civilization only covers 2% of homo sapiens existence. It's weird that we spent 300.000 years perfectioning stone tools, which our earlier ancestors had started making millions of years before, and then in a span of just 8000 years we went from discovering agriculture to sending robots to other planets.
@@alessiob8700 goes to show the exponential nature of human development I guess
@@alessiob8700 in the realm of fiction go wild.
But when people are selling falsehoods as reality and the majority of modern historical works are either ATLANTIS IS REAL or some sitcom about truckers or some shit its quite disappointing.
Too many people see atlantis bs and think its legit because of the presentation.
@@alack3879 to be honest, I don't see any harm in it, except the attempt to discredit actual archeologists. It may even get some people interested in researching history, archeology, geology. It may lead to people reading more serious studies, maybe visit some of these places and really expand their knowledge.
At the end of the day, believing or not that Atlantis was real doesn't change one's life.
@@alessiob8700 you say that but we have a large number of people who think the nazis had space lasers.
misinfo is cancer
Fun fact (might not be but sounds cool!) : some map makers actually added false items/ towns/islands to their maps as a form of early "Copyright".
If a map maker created a fake object in his map and he finds that same object in another map someone else is selling he can prove the other mapmaker stole his map.
Over time these "copyright" marks were included in newer maps and were believed to be accurate (Their is a phantom town in somewhere in the middle of the USA that's been on every map, also google maps i think!, for over 100 years that never actually existed which was originally just added as a copyright mark).
I forget the name of it, but there's also at least one instance of a real town actually forming in the location listed for one of these paper towns
Dictionaries also did this, except they had made-up words instead of towns
Didn’t some people move in and make in actual town?
John Green did some great videos about this since it's a central point in his book Paper Towns.
Yes you are spot on. The first embedded watermarks for the detection of plagiarized copies. And it was absolutely true that their were expedition added these "Mysterious Lands" to their journey not knowing that they didn't actually exist. Thats what you get when you buy your maps from the black market.
Graham Hancock uses a very predatory approach to journalism
The word you're looking for is manipulation.
He ceased to be a journalist a looooong time ago....... He now uses that journalism background to exploit the ignorant/gullible by weaving fantastical stories about supposed lost civilizations consistent with what his customer base has been exposed to per the entertainment genre = so he can monetize them.
That is not unlike rouge doctors as an example who use their medical knowledge to sell patent nostrums to an unsuspecting public who assume they know what they talk about because of their "title".
@@Sobercapybara ha ha that is true!!! But he also uses what’s been termed predatory journals as the foundation for his theories.
Piri Reis map, despite the inaccuracies, is still fascinating as it is because it's one of the most detailed and complete maps from that period, and one of the oldest maps that still physically exist that shows the americas.. it should be marvelled as it is and not used as a prop for atlantis conspiracy theories 😅 the fact that people have no respect or fascination for gorgeous old artefacts of any kind unless they somehow make it into a "breaking the secret code to this mystery" thing.. makes me sad.. love this series!
you'll see this a lot with conspiracy theorists, they'll take information they know is inaccurate and extrapolate forward from it into an "alternate future" because it's so much easier to mould into whatever they need than anything modern. And they still get to keep all the holes they want because "oh the map wasn't 100% accurate either". All they have to do is sow distrust in modern information.
Done another way, this kind of science fiction would be fascinating but to pass it off as real...
It’s sad that a lot of people can’t just appreciate early people’s intelligence. I think the theory of the door facing the sun for light is cool. It’s simple but smart.
KISS approach, (Keep It Simple, Stupid). funny how it's usually the correct way to see truth.
How many books & TV shows can you get out of that? :(
C'mon Joe, THINK! Make $en$e!
:P
@Jesse Street Occam's razor
@@Mister_Lahey yep.
One of those things where you go, "Of course that's why!" when someone tells you, because it's such a common sense thing. It's a total 'no shit, Sherlock' thing that people pre-artificial light would want to exploit natural light as much as possible, for as long as possible, when the sun was up.
"What do they have in common? They are all things that Graham Hancock has a basic understanding of." Actually made me laugh out loud.
With the dolphin comparison I suddenly got the idea that Hancock is actually just trolling us. He got rich off it and is in fact laughing his ass off this very moment as he re-watches all the debunking videos.
I’m not surprised he’s laughing at the debunking videos. They are absolutely pathetic.
@@Bingobanana4789 So... do you have, like, an actual argument?
@@themindfulmoron3790 I have many an argument but I made a statement the video’s pathetic. Nothing to argue there
@@Bingobanana4789 If that's all you have to say, congratulations, you've effectively said nothing at all.
@@themindfulmoron3790I keep the sweet talking for your mother. Thanks for the commentary your input have been so valuable to me that you’ve convinced me even more that the video is pathetic.
"They will probably warn us about pointing the doors to a particular star"
- Milo
Who it's going to tell Milo that the Sun is a star :P
as a maltese person this episode felt so special. thank you and your team for all the hard work.
I always assumed the cart ruts were cart ruts. Carts pulled by animals, because of the terrain the ruts were the steering method and made the load a smoother ride? I have not been for a few years, I have a good friend in Xemxija.
@@philipk2665 this is a war crime, you are bad and you should feel bad. We shal have you put before the Hague
Does Malta have tides? Im Pretty sure he doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@tequilamockingbird758 the Mediterranean has tides lmao it’s huge and connected to the ocean
@Twilight Paranormal Research The sea surrounding Malta is the clearest, cleanest and bluest in the Mediterranean, still free of the pollution that affects Italy and southern France. One of Malta's most precious assets, it has no tides to speak of, no treacherous currents and no dangerous fish.
I think I get the point of the dolphin line. A dolphin isn't a fake fish, it's just not a fish. therefore Graham Hancock isn't a fake scientist, he's just not a scientist. So what he's saying here is that he's a journalist or whatever else he wants to call himself.
Not a fish and fake fish are arguably the same thing.
@@DeathnoteBB As an example, that plastic bass that sings is a fake fish. A pencil is neither a fish nor a fake fish. I think the distinction is meaningful.
@@TheDrCN A plastic bass is also not a fish, as it is well, not a fish. It’s just made to look like a fish. Likewise Graham makes himself to appear as a scientist, yet he is not one. Making him a pseudo-scientist.
@@DeathnoteBB He is, but he's saying that he's not. That's the point of the quote. You can disagree with what he says, in fact you usually should. I'm just explaining what I think he meant because in the video Milo doesn't know what he means.
I like the idea he just has no clue what a dolphin is and thinks it is a fish
I would have loved to become an archeologist but ended up becoming an electrical engineer instead.
Jobs and opportunities were the reason.
In a way, I am living my passion through your channel!
_"Autodidact"_ There is no reason you can't indulge your hobbies while pursuing an alternative career field. As an aside. I watched a doco once upon a time about Egypt. The Egyptologist was once = a lawyer. Like you they begin in one field to eventually pursue their passion in another to change careers and become an Egyptologist who now conducts excavations in Egypt.
It's never too late! One of the top professors of philosophy where I live was an electrician up until his 40's :)
I bet you unearthed a few old wires . Study part-time and volunteer on digs iam sure they could use an electrician .
I'm a 61 year old layperson. I don't have any post secondary diplomas or degrees in any science, archaeology, history etc. etc. Yet, from the very beginning of me listening to Graham Hancock I simply have not bought pretty much anything he's saying. Because I'm just a layperson I really couldn't accurately refute what he has been saying and then I stumble on your channel and thank you! You do an infinitely better job of debunking his nonsense than could even dream of! I like you, have subscribed and will continue learning some things from you. 👍 To give myself just a little credit, I didn't believe any of his evidence was strong at all.
As a YEC, I know the world isn’t 12,800 years old so his whole premise is immediately suspect and untenable on that basis
@@cosmictreason2242 oh man, I was really hoping you were just telling a stupid joke, but then I saw some of your other comments. Please tell me you're just doing a bit. I'm going to be very sad if your reason for not believing Graham Hancock is because "the earth isn't old enough".
@@cosmictreason2242 You're correct for the wrong reasons. The Earth is far older than 12.8k years (around a few billion, years old, though i'm not sure the number exactly). All credible evidence suggests this.
He's got the spirit, hes just a little confused
@@cheezkid2689 I thought that's what he meant. What's YEC?
I'm not even supposed to be in this class, but I'm staying because I like learning new things and the Prof is a legend!
I took this class as an elective and it's way more intense than expected but I'm getting IN to it
I have just realized im in the wrong school, oops. _im not leaving thoughhh_ -Tomura
Did you know that you can just walk into a university and sit in on random lectures? That's what I did for this class.
Someone has the hots for their professor.
I love the parts where Milo says, "I love this part."
Also, albedo is a measure of the reflectance rather than absorption of light. A minor point, but the algae will decrease the albedo of beach rock.
27:50 - 28:05
I scrolled the comments to find a comment about this.
It appears as though the video has been edited to reflect certain corrections during this part of it.
Having to pause to appreciate you answering Louie’s call 21:34 It was so instinctual how you did it and /then/ said his name, and so seriously 😂😸
I know Mesoamerica (Aztec, Maya) was covered in Part 1, but as somebody who works with channels on the topic, I wanted to expand on how Hancock misrepresents the subject matter and preys on misconceptions and ignorance of Mesoamerican history and archaeology to take mundane findingsand blows them out of proportion to act as if they upend the archaeological or historical consensus when they really don't. (Some of this will be stuff Miniminuteman already covered, but in more depth and with a whole bunch of additional points, plus a few corrections): The most blatant example of this is, with Cholula, he presents the fact that the Pyramid has layers as some sort of unexpected find, the implication being that it calls into question the pyramid's age. But pyramids being built sequentially in layers like a Russian doll is EXTREMELY common in Mesoamerica:, with expansions built as new kings took power or during important cosmological milestones. And the specific layers of the Great Pyramid of Cholula is well studied in particular, due to fact that the structure wasn't destroyed by the Spanish (see below).
Hancock even explicitly says he doesn't even dispute that dating (which makes this whole segment feel pointless and dishonest, since he's clearly still trying to make people skeptical). I also found his framing of it being located over water as something special and then asking "What made these people build it here?" to be sort of absurd: He answers his own question! Pools of water, mirrors, caves, etc were all tied to underworld entrances in Mesoamerican cosmology, with Pyramids at Teotihuacan or Chichen Itza's Temple of Kukulkan also being over pools/caves. He even draws attention to this, bringing up that the Giza Pyramid etc were built over water sources too, so he's simultaneously acting ignorant and trying to draw a global pattern (but doesn't establish it being a wider pattern in Egypt, SEA, etc). His "all pyramids have connections to death and rebirth" point also falls flat, as Miniminuteman covered, Mesoamerican pyramids were primarily temples, not tombs like in Egypt. Now, it SHOULD be noted that there were occasionally buried remains and ceremonial goods in Mesoamerican pyramids, but these were usually ritual caches to consecrate the construction of new phases/layers of the pyramid, not burials the monument itself was dedicated to, though sometimes that was the case as well. Actually, sometimes Pyramids (or Pyramid like outgrowths of some larger acropoli complexes) were used as administrative buildings or residences!
The show also clearly misrepresents Dr. Mcafferty's statements (something he's since said since in other interviews outside of Miniminuteman's): At one point, Hancock asks "Is that enough to be confident enough about the full story", and he basically says "No, there's a lot of work to be done to teach us more about Mesoamerica". This is not him saying "Everything we think we know is wrong" (which is what Hancock implies it to be) it's just saying that there's still more excavations to do, as there's always more we can learn. And when Dr. Mcafferty says "Knowing more about Cholula would let us rethink Mesoamerican as a whole": The researcher's point was likely that a better understanding of Cholula would give us a better picture of how social, political and religious trends changed in Mesoamerica over time (since Cholula existed as small village in 1000BC all the way to being a large city with 40k+ denizens s as of Spanish contact) and since the city had widespread religious and political influence even in other parts of Mesoamerica (with other kings appealing to Cholula officials for legitimacy or visiting it for coronation), more info on Cholula would likewise yield insights on Mesoamerica as a whole
The 3D Cholula render the episode used is also pretty wrong: It just had buildings evenly spaced around the Pyramid. No roads, city planning, etc: Mesoamerican cities usually had a central urban core with temples, palaces, other elite housing/civic buildings, ball courts, etc, all richly painted and decorated, organized around open plazas for communal activities and ritualistic alignment. And then around that you had suburbs of commoner housing interspersed with agricultural land, etc, with the suburbs gradually decreasing in density the further out you go (in some cases, covering hundreds of square kilometers). Both the core and in some cases the suburbs had roads, aquaducts, etc. The Pyramid in the render was also grey and mossy, in ruins. If this is meant to be at the Pyramid's apex, then it should be painted and adorned with sculptures, reliefs, etc. If it's depicting it as of Spanish contact (which is what the graphics suggest), then it would've been buried in soil: The entire reason it's intact today is the Spanish mistook it as a hill, as after the city got conquered and new populations took over over time, eventually between 900-1200AD, the Great Pyramid had been abandoned in favor of a newly constructed Pyramid dedicated to Quetzalcoatl (which doesn't survive today). The show also mislabels some Teotihuacan frescos as being from Cholula; gets some of the dating wrong; and claims the whole pyramid was straw and adobe brick, when the exterior of most layers, as well as some of the fill in later phases, were stone.
Before I move past Cholula, I do want to give some additional minor corrections on some stuff Miniminuteman said in the part 1 video: At 37:57 (of part 1, not this video) Miniminuteman shows a page from the Codex Ixtlilxochitl and labels it as being a depiction of the same Ixtlilxochitl Dr. Mcafferty mentions as a Aztec chronicler during the early Spanish colonial period (who is Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxóchitl) However, that specific page isn't depicting Fernando Ixtlilxochitl, rather an random noble named Tocuepotzin. The Codex is however NAMED after Fernando Ixtlilxochitl (who in turn is named after previous kings of the Aztec city of Texcoco, whom Fernando descended form), which is I assume where the mixup happened. Miniminuteman also calls Quetzalcoatl the "Mayan Feathered Serpent" when Quetzalcoatl is specifically the Aztec/Nahuatl name for the deity, in reference to talking about Chichen Itza's Pyramid: That pyramid is specifically known as the Temple of Kukulkan, as Kukulkan is the Itza Maya name there. There's a few other instances where Miniminuteman will call a specifric temple the name of the city as a whole, or will call the city a temple and other minor nitpicks like that, but the Ixtlilxochitl thing was the main correction.
Moving onto Texcotzinco: Firstly, this is an INCREDIBLE site more people should know about: This was a royal estate/retreat for rulers of Texcoco, the second most powerful Aztec city. It sourced water from 5 miles+ of aqueducts (some elevated 150 feet off the ground) which brought the water to a series of pools and channels to control the flow rate on an adjacent hill, then across the gorge between there and Texcotzinco, where it flowed into a circuit around Texcotzinco's summit, into the site's painted shrines, pools, fountains, etc, and then formed artificial waterfalls which watered the botanical gardens at the hill's base, which had different sections to mimic different Mexican biomes. Of course it also had a palace at the top of the mountain's peak, etc. We outright have written sources discussing the site being designed in the 1460s AD by Nezahualcoyotl, Texcoco's most famous king who also designed levee and aqueduct systems at other Aztec cities.
But, in the interest of intellectual honesty, those written accounts which credit Nezahualcoyotl as the site's engineer are written by Fernando Ixtlilxóchitl, for the specific purpose of glorifying Texcoco to the Spanish and we do know he twisted details (EX: claiming Nezahualcoyotl worshiped a monotheistic god and rejected sacrifice). There's a whole book on this, "The Allure of Nezahualcoyotl" and I know another researcher, Dr. Susan Toby Evans has a lot of papers on Texcotzinco, but a lot of her faculty page's links are down. In the papers I do still have access to, it is mentioned that the site probably had some shrines built under earlier Texcoca rulers before Nezahualcoyotl, and they may have been buried there; and there's also a paper that mentions there is dating for Texcotzinco's construction based on archaeological material rather then just those 16th/17th century text sources, but sadly the paper doesn't clarify on that point for me to disscuss hard dating evidence.
However, Hancock's points are still unconvincing: As miniminuteman says, they give basically zero scientific analysis or actual criticism of any sort of dating method, just vague commentary about weathering, so there's no real evidence to review. Hancock's other point is that there's Tlaloc-style iconography at the site, and uses a pre-Aztec Tlaloc-style sculpture from another site to imply Texcotzinco could be pre Aztec as well... BUT WE ALL ALREADY KNOW THERE ARE PRE-AZTEC TLALOC STYLE RAIN GODS! The evolution of Tlaloc and other Mesoamerican, "fanged" or "goggled" rain gods like Chaac or Cocijo originating from Olmec ""were jaguar" (there's some debate of if they're actually meant to be were-jaguars) sculptures is VERY well documented, there's even giant charts by researchers showing the specific stages of development the iconography of the gods went through at different times in different parts of Mesoamerica! So the presence of Tlaloc-style iconography doesn't inherently suggest any time period, and if anything the Tlaloc depictions at the site are consistent with Aztec period examples. Even if Texcotzinco DID have Pre-Aztec construction, it would likely just mean it was from the dozens of Pre-Aztec civilizations in Mesoamerica we already know about.... it's just most viewers of the show aren't familiar with those.
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Wouldve played you to write an essay for me in high school... BTW I love vanilla ice cream.
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: Also, something I couldn't fit into my last comment is that Tlaloc iconography existing at Texcotzinco in particular also makes complete sense in that many of the royal botanical gardens and baths used by Aztec rulers as retreats and estates, including Texcotzinco, were specifically designed to emulate Tlaloc's heavenly realm (Tlalocan) which was a lush tropical paradise filled with plants, flowers, fruit trees, and many streams, waterfalls, and springs. Texcotzinco especially fits this pattern, since it's specifically built onto a hill, which has specific associations with this, and part of the hills involved in Texcotzinco's waterwork network included "Mount Tlaloc", which was litterallt thought to be an earthly manifestation of Tlalocan.
Lastly, at Xochicalco, the same guy without credentials talking about rocks at Texcotzinco identifies a glyph as representing a burning temple (when it doesn't resemble any other depictions of burning temples in Mesoamerican art, and it and similar iconography on that monument is rather consistent with day signs and even have the telltale numerals indicating dates), tying into Hancock's telling of the myth with Quetzalcoatl which similarly, mixes details from different accounts or just gets stuff wrong: The flood he references is from myths detailing the cyclical creation and destruction of the world (and was done by Chalchiuhtlicue, not Tlaloc), wheras Quetzalcoatl sailing on a raft of snakes comes from Aztec accounts about the 10th century Toltec lord Ce Acatl Topiltzin, who is tied to Quetzalcoatl: These are largely separate narrative eons apart. There's many versions of these, and only SOME of the latter involve the raft, and in them, he is LEAVING rather then arriving into Mesoamerica. Even these versions recorded in the early colonial period we know have catholic influences from Friars re-writing them to aid in conversion and to make their rule seem pre-ordained.
Stuff like Cortes being mistaken for Quetzalcoatl (a myth invented for similar reasons, Cortes never claims this) comes from these, too. Hancock's telling is, if anything, closer to even later and more nonsense versions that make Quetzalcoatl white, blond, etc. Some of the earlier ones do have him as bearded, but the Mesoamericans had facial hair! We know it was customary in Aztec society for everyone other then rulers (Moctezuma II had facial hair!) or the elderly to shave, and Topiltzin was both. There are NO examples of Prehispanic or even 16th century art depicting or describing Quetzalcoatl as white skinned. (There is a symbolic tie of Quetzalcoatl to the color white in the "4 Tezcatlipocas" paradigm, but A: that's a symbolic, not a literal connection to the color, and B: the entire concepts of the "4 Tezcatlipocas" is likely a misreading of the Codex Ramirez and isn't a real thing, see Clickypenned's posts on this)
Instead of listening to Hancock for "stuff archaeologists don't want you to know about" people should look up the REAL civilizations most books, classes, etc ignore because Prehispanic history is underappreciated:
- Teotihuacan was a gigantic metropolis in Central Mexico during the time of the Romans that had 100,000+ denizens all living in fancy palace compounds across a gigantic planned urban grid, may have even conquered Maya city-states a thousand kilometers away. (and hey, i'll plug Ancient America's excellent video on Teotihuacan here, which I helped quite a bit with)
- The Moche was a civilization in Northern Peru during the same period that build big, gorgously decorated adobe ziggurat complexes called Huacas and have insanely lifelike ceramic busts which depict the same figuresm likely rulers, across different stages of life, as well as ceramics depicting kinky sex acts and some amazing gold artwork.
- The Mixtec and Zapotec in Oaxaca have a long history stretching back as much of the Maya, with Monte Alban being a major captial for around 1000 years;and then 8 Deer Jaguar Claw having an insane life story, being born a noble in Tilantongo, working as a general for other city-states, founding his own city, taking the throne back in Tilantongo, using his blessings from officials in Cholula to sidestep the Oracles that sectioned political marriages and wars in Mixtec society to then conquer nearly 100 cities in 18 years before ironically dying when the one boy he left alive in his arch-rival's family grew up to assassinate him.
- The Chimu were another civilization in Northern Peru with a massive capital city called Chan Chan, who the Inca had major wars with.
- The Purepecha Empire, the third largest state in the Americas after the Inca and Aztec, who totally crushed attempted Aztec invasions, formed a fortified border in response, and had Mesoamerica's most centralized imperial political system and the largest center of Bronze production in the region.
There's so much more then these too, and I would implore people to look them and all the other things up that are actually REAL but nontheless still don't get attention by mainstream sources.
I do always love conspiracy theorists being like "But why did they build it so close to the water?!", like humans don't need water or something.
@MajoraZ this is fascinating, thank you for all the information!
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Damn, just over a year ago this used to be this small channel in a cozy little corner of the internet and now you're on your way to a million. Honestly insane to see how much you've grown and how the video quality has increased, can't wait to see all the things you've got brewing for the future
I remember watching the TV special on Bimini and recall it being referred to as a road, but as I've gotten older thought it looked more like a wharf and docking facility. I'll admit I don't know too much about the structure, so It's still interesting to learn what other people think.
I don't believe we are the peak of civilization because that implies it's downhill from here baby.
My wife and I visited Gigantia about 15 years ago. It's really impressive! We had a great tour guide, who gives us the rundown of the history, what's known, what's the (then-current) theory about some other things, them he asks the group: "What do you need to haul stones weighing several tons to this place?"
The group gives a few answers, like slaves, wheels, logs, ropes... and he nods, but clearly we're not giving him the answer he's looking for. After a minute or so he responds: "Motivation! You don't make that sort of effort just to have fun! And that tells us that this place was significant! It might have been a temple, it might have been a palace, but that also tells us something about their society!"
Really engaging, interesting and fun tour.
That's a really cool idea. I do think we need to better as as society understand what we can do as a collective. We really need to inspire more love and understanding to eachother
That’s a really cool tour guide
@@philiphockenbury6563 Yeah it's awesome when a tour guide can't tell you what a building was. Just using the.. Big building, must be spiritual!
@@MF-sj5yx Yeah how dare the tour guide not just lie to people instead of being honest that the large buildings use is unknown. How awful. You FR guy?
@@jayd8091 When is that ever the case? They always come up with something. Honesty while speculating doesn't really get you anywhere in the world of facts.
I love how you transmutated the whole building oriented around the solstice thing from mystical to practical, I had never considered that
Probably also was mythical to the people at the time as well. After all the Sun is the single most important celestial object and responsible for all life on Earth, a neolithic agricultural society placing a huge importance on it would make a ton of sense and is something that is often seen.
@@hedgehog3180 and they would certainly realize that sunlight is warm on the skin, and they need it to see stuff and the stuff that they are doing
Tell me a temple built based on practicality all those Gothic arches and stained glass windows oh yeah those are super practical. This kid is trying to make a name for himself by insulting a controversial figure without presenting any ideas himself he's saying Graham Hancock is wrong but he's not saying anything is right he's not presenting any original data any original thoughts all he's doing is being the voice for the non-specific mainstream that's lame and that's not science
@@atom5341 Stained glass windows and pretty architecture aren''t practical, but serve a practical purpose: to instill in the masses an awe of the central deific figure of the dominant dogmatic religion, which was very much needed to maintain control during various parts of the middle ages. Considering a lack of electricity and the need for light to see, it is pragmatic and practical to make your temple, or any other building, in a fashion that allows sunlight to illuminate it (so as to not waste candles or other sources of light during the daytime). A big hole is a pretty good way of letting in natural light, and a really bad way to find a specific pinprick in the sky. As for your last claim, I have a thought experiment for you. If I present you with a wheel, and ask you to tell me what it is, are you wrong to say it is a wheel just because YOU didn't come up with the idea? If you are to provide evidence that it is a wheel, are you wrong if you use evidence, such as the definition of a wheel, that YOU didn't come up with? No? Didn't think so. Data does not need to be original to be relevant. Not that anything I'm saying is going to change your mind, which seems to be made up already.
@chunkblaster Mystifying practical knowledge (or one's personal prejudices) is an excellent way to ensure it is not forgotten by the common folk of future generations (who are commonly purposefully uneducated), though its meaning is much more likely to be lost along the way. Go back ten thousand years and somehow manage to tell people incest is bad, and that taboo might stick around for a few generations if they believe you at all. Give examples and evidence as to why it's bad, and it might stick around a bit longer. Tell them that incest will make their all-powerful deity very very mad and visit suffering upon both the perpetrators of such an act and the community as a whole, and they'll remember it for thousands of years. Of course this practice can be put to evil ends, but that is neither here nor there. TL;DR: make something part of the dominant religion and not only will some people take it at face value, but it will also be remembered much longer.
This is my new favorite channel! so funny, so informative... absolutely killing it here. There is something amazing about watching a real expert absolutely dunk on someone so hard.
A real expert 😂 😂 what’s that wee weasel an expert in because with the amount of crap he gets wrong and omits from his videos he’s certainly not an expert in ancient history
@@Bingobanana4789What did he get wrong then
Incredible content. Thank you so much Milo. My dad is an Ancient Aliens kind of guy and he watched this entire series completely absorbed and is now realizing that real archaeology can be fun and exciting too.
I was about five minutes into the first episode of ancient apocalypse when I thought 'I wish someone smart like milo would actually explain these things' and I'm so happy you are.
My partner told me this one was coming out today and I was so excited I could barely wait to get home and watch it.
Thank you for making me slightly less dumb, your efforts are appreciated.
first time ive asked youtube to notify me when a movie aired
I generally like Graham Hancock but it's important he doesn't go unchecked or isn't simply dismissed as a pseudo scientist. Milo was smart to acknowledge him as a "scientist" for putting forth evidence in support of a hypothesis. Unfortunately, I think Graham Hancock is trying too hard to make things fit this narrative that the world was connected a long time ago, which I don't subscribe to. He seems to have a better knowledge of ancient Egypt and raises important questions there. Ultimately he has gotten a lot of regular people interested in human history which is a great thing even if the information isn't right. The truth will always come out, especially when people like Milo, can create a video refuting his claims.
45:28 "You got in a boat to look at rocks with a random guy, and then you got confused by an old map"
Bro I actually laughed out loud for a minute. Great summary of the episode!
Usually that story would end with two possibilities. 1 - and they lived happily ever after. 2 - and his body was never found.
The idea that archaeologists have somehow all agreed to hide this Very Obvious And Critically Important Information About Atlantis has me just flummoxed. It's probably the only thing archaeologists the world over have EVER agreed on.
Yes. The "world" rarely agrees on anything. When it does however it usually means people better take notice - such as with say climate change. So as with all "conspiracy" narratives to work you must have virtual unanimity = which as you alluded to is exceedingly difficult to achieve. There is no way all the academics in the world would agree to "hide" information here - just as government are not "hiding" supposed evidence of UFOs/aliens and so on. It is irrational thought. 🤷
Then why are there so many archaeologists who believe in the Atlantis theory? Pretty pathetic having to make up complete random nonsense to feed your own pathetic wee ego. Try again muppet
The lack of a joke including a cat being either out or back in a bag with such a brilliant opportunity to make one is truly dissapointing
I think the thing that frustrates me most about this one in particular is that the Bimini Wall is a SUPER COOL geological feature that deserves recognition just because it’s cool on its own. Why can’t something nature just be amazing and fascinating and special on its own without it having to be created by human beings. Even if it isn’t particularly rare, unusual, or difficult to explain, it’s still super cool just because of what it is.
It’s the Bimini road
@@Bingobanana4789 yes, I know that.
@@Bingobanana4789 they use the names interchangeably
@@Thegrifter69 archaeologists didn’t like it being referred to as the Bimini road because it gave the impression it was man made so they started referring to it as the Bimini wall. Doesn’t really help considering it looks like a road and doesn’t really stop people thinking it looks man made as anyone with half a brain can tell it clearly looks man made
@@Bingobanana4789 I mean, you being extremely nitpicky and my point still stands lmao so I’m done with this conversation
As a fellow archaeologist, who dabbles into palaeontology - this series tickles me just right! 💚
Yes just stating we don't know and a bunch of theories, that are not fact... yea he really had a good arguments 🤡🤡🤡🐑🐑🐑A degree means nothing if you are not at the top...this dude probably can't write or read cursive 😂😂😂🤡💩
Love your work and love the genuine passion you always put in - thank you
Found your channel a day ago. Loving the binge into the content. Youre doing great work!
In the last 10 days, Milo's channel has gained 75,000 new subscribers! Went from 755K to 830K in 10 days! He also got 13,000,000+ views in 10 days! Averaging over 1 million views per day. It also pushed him from 90 million total views to 103 million total views! Yesterday alone he had 2.73 million views in one day.
He deserves it. His content is really impressive.
I'm SO ready for his channel to pass the 1M mark and become a true cornerstone of the archeology sphere online. He deserves it so much!
NUMBERS FOLKS, NUMBERS!!!
So I guess Hancock is useful for something.
And my faith in humanity is now restored.
Netflix also took words out of context for the archaeologists for the cleopatra show
It’s sad that this crap even happens,
Shame on Netflix
What did you expect...... You must remember that their goal is = _"monetizing speech."_ They do not care "what" is said or if it is accurate or not. All they care about is = someone is watching........ - so they can make a buck. It is not unusual I'm afraid. I will give you an example.
I watched a news segment a while ago. It spoke about a former "darling" of the anti-vaccine movement who came to reject them and now speaks out about the experience. While the anti-vaccine industry exploited the person - naturally = so did some of the media. A prominent "celebrity news" program touted the person when the story broke. Then some years later when the person recanted the anti-vaccine claims and was labeled a fake = the same program exploited that as well........
So they hyped the story when they claimed it was vaccines + they hyped the story when they were decried a fake as well. These venues only care about monetization - not content. _"If it bleeds..... = it leads."_ 🤨
Honestly, studios should be punished for publishing fake info as educational content
@@umi2751*History Channel sweats nervously*
SHAME!!!
Remember infamous "my grandma always said that Cleopatra is black"?
I'll add that person who said it, added "but my grandma was wrong, because we have evidence that she is white"
It's just Netflix that edited it
I've seen this video several times, and every time he argued that things would be lower down, my head thought "Well the rest of the island would still be there, so why couldn't it just be higher up the island?"
It was not until just now that I realized him saying "If this was the highest point of Atlantis, there'd probably be another structure here" was him presenting the obvious counterargument and I have no idea how I didn't understand that. Man, I'm dumb.
Can you please post an actual test I want to see how much info I retained also love your work. I’m a teen and I starting to think about archeology has a possible route
Was unsure about wanting to continue pursuing a masters in Anthropology. Your passion inspired me to keep at it.
Damn I thought Milo was an Astrologist
I hope it goes well and you enjoy it!
@@TRae7215 🤔 you're making me wonder whether I should actually continue... 3 classes shy of an associates in liberal arts with concentration in Anthro. But without spewing my story, college is extremely difficult for me. However, I live in Upstate NY and I just cannot get by on these menial unstable part-time jobs and my sanity is just 😵.
We all have that phase, Jaimes. Keep going strong, mate !
To be completely honest it just seems like hancock wanted a globe-spanning vacation (litterally going sightseeing and stuff across the world) while being funded by netflix.
As an archaeologist who worked at Poverty Point UNESCO World Heritage Site (second/third oldest mound site in North and Central America, depending on who you ask) in Louisiana, I would have committed unspeakable crimes in order to secure reliable funding instead of hoping that begging the (notoriously apathetic) state would keep me in a job and keep the money going for artifact duration.
(PS: I don't even want to talk about currying favor with the local landowners to get permission to survey on their land. When the government screws up as bad as Louisiana did with some of the mounds surrounding Poverty Point, you don't get a lot of people excited to let archaeologists on their land.)
(PPS: Poverty Point is WILD in terms of pseudoarchaeological interpretation. The survey that makes me laugh the hardest is this group of people who brought out a GPR to "scan" (they did a couple transits, not even a full grid, and so had no usable data) a field just on the other side of the bayou from the main site. They, not knowing how to interpret the GPR data, assumed that the returns they were getting were from ridges that had been ploughed over and weren't visible anymore. Meanwhile, I'm looking at the drain tiles coming out into the gully and not saying anything because it's not worth risking my career on soundbites they pick and choose to interpret in a way that supports their hypothesis. My boss, on the other hand? The sound clip demons had their merry way with her interviews.)
My biggest argument against Atlantis is why are there no trade/war records about this "great city" from any other civilization? A city that advanced would be a massive hub for trade as well as an easy target for rebellion forces. If you have amazing things, people wanna see it and buy it (Pompeii trade markets, for example). If you have a lot of power, people will try to test and overthrow you (all of Rome, for example). There would have been records saying "Trade with this place" or "Do NOT fucking test them. They will throw hands, feet, a fit, and the kitchen sink."
🎯 Atlantis is basically a single source claim. Further the source of that claim - Plato - was known for writing plays etc. as opposed to history. Now one can potentially create such things while being factual - but one can just as easily create plays and poems based upon fictitious narratives.
Meanwhile those who try to rationalize Atlantis as possibly real often throw out in their supposed defense = Troy. Yet as you alluded to here there were references to a city/State in the vicinity of what is today recognized as Troy in cultures besides the Greeks. The Hittites wrote of engagement with such a culture which was even viewed as a vassal State at times further lending to their being real.
Thus even if one were to discount Homer's references to it you have others as noted who similarly referred to a city/State existing which came to be recognized as Troy.
Someone saying a single mistake invalidates Milo’s entire argument is the scientist equivalent of “Minor spelling mistake, argument invalidated”
And this? So from about 4000 years ago until who knows when no journalists until 17th century, the Egyptians were busy attempting to destroy all the above ground megaliths that were built between 5000 years ago and anywhere between 50,000 years ago and 150,000 years ago. That is EXACTLY what the total known evidence shows. Ther is no evidence that have not had a t least a half dozen and maybe more advanced civilizations that have been erased by the Egyptians alone, not to mention the whole rest of the world that humans were VERY busy erasing. Especially anything to do with power and religion. Wake up and pay attention to the facts "and not the words of those who wait" uh, I mean, that don't know 10% of the facts. When someone can show me what is still buried 50 feet down that is another 40% of the puzzle, I will pay even more attention. Not to mention the 20% of ancient construction we are not allowed to investigate and the huge amount of information in the Vatican's secret library. Oops, you weren't supposed to get me started on that.
So excited for this, loved episode 1. I used to be a big believer in Graham and his ideas after seeing him on the Joe Rogan podcast years ago and honestly I feel very stupid lol. At the very least it got me interested more in history and archaeology.
Me too Sheepsky... me too. I keep a journal of my thoughts for my daughter to read one day when i'm gone, and I literally had to go back and add details to those pages that "none of this is even remotely true... I got suckered. Let your dad's mistake be a lesson to you."
@@TheAngryAtheist That is a wonderful thing you are doing for your daughter! And good of you to go back and correct that stuff lol
@@TheAngryAtheist That’s a really good idea! I might keep this in the back of my head! You sound like an amazing dad, it always warms my heart to see good parents ❤️
@@sheepsky I'm reading like, "what kinda of drugs was I on in my 20s?!" Thanks!
The important thing is that you realized the ideas were wrong. Never be ashamed of learning more. Props to you! 🤘
one of the things thats upsetting to me personally about ancient apocalypse is that i would definitely be interested in a series about ancient natural disasters and similar things
Lets gooo Puerto Rico mentioned. On a note more related to this series, great video Milo it's been great seeing you provide the necessary context and debunking the things Hancock said in his series
I love these “don’t trust the elitist scientists, it’s a conspiracy, they won’t talk about it!” Cause my personal idea of a scientist is based on my dad, who used to be a mechanic in the Midwest, has been a geology professor for over 20 yrs, and who’s actual, greatest joy in this life is talking about rocks.
Rocks can be crazy interesting.
I'm personally not much for it, but I totally get how some people can have a love for rocks.
My grandma's second husband was in the local newspaper once because he discovered something about a slime mold.
The idea that don't trust scientist is weird... It's odd. I trust scientist, I dont if they have been specifically asked to look at something from companies. Companies just feel like they have more insetive to mislead for Profit.
Usually I always believed everything Swedish scientific research and any Carolinas medical research offal let's out.
Basically anything the medical field do, is what one should mimics.
Which is why the i didn't get why in Sweden we didn't say to wear masks. I worked in ealder care during the pandemic and got told that we had to wear them because the science and carolinan reachers supported the rets of the world's decision's.
But Public got told to disregard unless going to crowded places, hospitals or elders.
And to keep Distans mostly. It was Just mixed when I got some Secret extra information and other didn't.
But yeah I can see why people are unsure of who to trust when they don't know what is backed by what. As newsletter and pappers don't say that.
But then we as people are lazy and don't look it up.
Your dad is in the pocket of Big Rock!
@@davidbowman2001 is that when you walk into a cave?
As someone who was entirely new to archeology and interested in this series, thank you so much for explaining the fundamentals first so we truly understand why he's not credible.
Yay! A bit happy I am not the only one. Some things were credible to my unknowing eye, even if some things were just weird and made me take things with a grain of salt. In any case, happy to know the truth and discovered Milo's channel at the same time!
There are still a lot of holes in archaeology. Particularly there isn't a lot of cross disciplinary involvement, such as geologists and engineers. There are pretty obvious indicators of certain megalithic sites being far older than what is stated by archaeologists, as well as evidence of advanced machining. Graham Hancock has some flaws, but the idea of lost advanced civilizations shouldn't be totally thrown out. The only reason why the idea isnt more commonly considered is because of stigmas and dogmas within academia. The CZcams channel UnchartedX has some pretty fascinating videos I recommend
@@darienkinne1347 bingo.
@@darienkinne1347 Literally everything you said is vague and without substance. I'll keep watching the guy who gives me specific evidence over the guy who just gives questions and doesn't answer anything.
@@darienkinne1347 Lost civilizations are definitely already a thing that archaeologists believe in. Just not some crazy nonsense about a world spanning empire or something lol
I've been doing deconstruction work from being raised in the New Age movement and your videos have been helping me on my journey, thank you.
This whole Dibble/Hancock debate opened up an interest in archaeology for me. I like reading history but have never read about this far back in time, fascinating. 🗿
Plato used the evil empire trope in his allegory about hubris, and people really be out here looking for it more than two thousand years later.
And they’re absolutely CHOCK FULL of hubris…
@@renoia3067 Oh what a beautiful, beautiful irony
I would want to see if people 3-4K years later will be looking for Wakanda
@@TheL0ngbeardthis comment has done it. I'm creating a time machine to get these answers.
I mean it’s a good trope for a reason. Every empire is in some way an evil empire
incredibly random and entirely unrelated, but these videos are so aesthetically pleasing. all the wood, the books, cup, colour of his shirt and hair, all highlighted by the blackboard. all the colours are really nice and warm. even the cat matches the colour palette!! idk it's just incredibly nice to look at.
If I'd had a professor like him , my life would have turned out differently. I'd still be broke however.
Super late to this but maaan, this was so fukken highly enjoyable. I hate these people diluting the sciences with such a passion, which is probably why i love what feels like a 4h super detailed rant on this series. LOVED IT. Keep it up (also randomly picked up a few of your IG reels and those were just as awesome)
You make great content
As a younger person who enjoys science and archeology it is refreshing to have someone teaching who I can relate to
Thanks for some great stuff, you seem like a smart guy who takes this stuff seriously and is passionate about educating others
My mom (who hasn’t been particularly interested in archeology) saw me watch your short about part two’s premiere and how excited I was so she asked what it was called and watched part one so we could watch the premier together.
You’ve gained another fan and subscriber, she loves the way you present information and tear down bullshit.
She also loves your hair and will be very sad if you cut it :(
I think your mum has excellent taste!
thats adorable haha
Yay for mom
Your videos make me so happy, young man. You remind me SO MUCH of my youngest son. The fact that there are young people like you in the world, working for truth and critical thinking and excellent scientific method gives me hope for the future. Thank you.
I know this comment was aimed at Milo, but it's just so sweet I had to say something! As part of the younger generation, many of us care deeply about science! There's still hope, I promise!
I'm so glad I fell in love with Graham Hancock's theory enough to want to do research on it and find you.
I thank Graham Hancock for bringing me to you.
The way you present this information is exactly how I like to absorb it.
Social experiment idea: erase Hancock's memory then teach him "mainstream" archeology until he's an expert but don't expose him to his own theories (pre memory erase).
Then have him argue against those arguments without telling him it's him.
Then reveal it was him all along.
lol I love the docuseries, and am enjoying your counter arguments. You’re a funny man with your jokes.
Me and my husband were just in Malta this Jan. They have an amazing history and you can find tours of everything from churches, caves, ancient structures. Mdina is beyond stunning. They take their history very seriously and the insinuation that they're intentionally missing or ignoring stuff because of Big-Archeology ™ or something is insane. If there were anything to his claims the Maltese would be on that so fast you'd get whiplash watching.
Some of the original archaeological work on Monster was destroyed by early archaeologist who didn't know what they're doing
Most European countries are like that, which is probably why these conspiracy theories mostly focus on things outside of Europe because they don't always have the same overwhelming amount of evidence and decades of research. Like they'll include the odd European site occasionally, mostly the really famous ones like Stone Henge or some obscure ones but it's definitely a pattern that they mostly focus on sites outside of Europe and that's obviously strategic. Like you don't see any of these people claiming that burial mounds in Scandinavia were made by Atlantis or whatever because Scandinavian countries have all had intense archeological research for almost two centuries.
They are also really really Catholic with all the belief that that entails regarding archaeology. Just saying.
They clearly don't take it that seriously. Not sure why you would think they do..
@@hedgehog3180 All you need to include is the walls polygonal walls of Greece and Rome and it's a closed case that archeologists aren't trying to research things that break the paradigm. Strategic? Europe is probably the best example of building on top of buildings. Pair that with the burning of libraries and the crusades and it's quite clear we're missing pages out of the book in more recent times. Now we're going to say that these people who can't get 500 years ago right, can explain the monoliths?
Wheel ruts are crazy intense and mind blowing. In the Roman forum, just south of the Curia Julia, there are wheel ruts more than a foot deep on the curve in the road.
They are serious tripping hazard, and they blew my mind to see them. It gives you a sense of scale of how much activity there was: wooden wheeled, maybe iron rimmed, wheels had to pass that exact spot at least hundreds of thousands of times.
If I remember correctly (having been to Malta many times and visited the temples there) the consensus is that they're not actually cart ruts - they are actually a mystery and would make an amazing video
I'd guess that they didn't actually get that deep during the time where they were used, but over the centuries through erosion
I've seen those, and I'm almost entirely certain that those cuts were not entirely made by wheels. Cuts that deep would've destroyed wheels and made the roads unusable in effect. If wheel ruts got anywhere near that depth, the romans would've fixed it.
I think what must've happened is that pretty deep wheel ruts in that spots got continuously deeper through erosion over hundreds and thousands of years of exposure.
I love how people are almost always kings or queens or major historical figures in their past lives. You never hear about a guy that saw their past life where they loved a terrible life and died of dysentery or cholera.
Assassin's Creed, of ALL things, did that more or less decently, you sometimes meet (and kill) famous historical figures but your ancestor/whoever's memories you visit is almost never some royalty, but a rando who is mostly only important in a sense they know where an artifact you're trying to recover lies (otherwise there'd be no point jumping into their memory).
Otherwise, even Darren Aronofsky had that issue where his sick gf's past life alter ego is totally a Spanish Queen.
I love the way you talk about history, it reminds me of the way a really cool teacher would talk about it, AKA having it make sense to a class of crazy teenagers.
As a fellow archaeologist I just want to say thank you. If anybody asks me about that series again I’ll just send them to your vids and save myself the pain of explaining that over and over again.
Thanks to all involved in the production! Also, hiring researchers after making a single small mistake really highlights your integrity. Bravo!
Graham Handcock is really out here trying to get us to believe that assassin's creed was right all along 😂😂😂😂😂
Your vids are very fun to watch and informative
Please continue to do what you are doing, as your videos are so educational.
the big room echo is kinda charming at this point, ngl. tho if you wanted to cut down on it just a bit it's really as simple as hanging up a moving blanket or thick comforter just behind your camera. you can use 2 tripods, C-stands, or even like a coatrack. I've used it in a gymnasium so I can attest to the echo reduction, it's really surprising how well this method works
someone is bound to send him like 15 pieces of acoustic foam through the fan mail eventually lol
@@craniumtea5137 honestly I love the echo in the videos, makes it feel more like being in a classroom learning
I use the "just have a metric shitload of stuffed animals in the recording space" technique
@@MommyKhaos Lecture hall moment
Man, you were talking about how much this channel has grown, and I just wanted to take this time to put myself in the archeological record, so to speak. I've been here since like the second "awful archeology" video! And when you've got 10 million subs, I'll still be watching!
I'm not even an archeology person, I just find this all so fascinating haha.
I wouldn't say you're not an archeology person. You definitely are, you probably just find traditional methods of information delivery boring. It's all about packaging information in a way that engages you :)
@@hellborn2012 that's a good way to look at it, thanks!
I watched his first episode when it came out, saw the channel only had one video and then forgot about it. Now I’m back, subscribed and binge watching everything I missed
@@matthewjohnson3656 he has a lot more videos. Just hidden within the short ones. I'm new and so glad there is more to see!
@@JenksCraft don't forget he had a lot of content on tiktok before starting on youtube.
I found your channel a couple days ago, and I'm loving the education I'm receiving. Picking up what you're putting down and all that!
But I am a little bummed that I can no longer imagine our cyclical history and a lost chapter of our story! 😅
"No one just wakes up and decides to build this."
...does Graham Hancock think that people just wake up and decide to build skyscrapers? 🤨
Even more frustrating to me is that actual submerged habitation sites (Doggerland, FFS) could get so much research with the money they're spending on this crap.
What gets me as a student of ancient Near Eastern history, which is something that one of the Maltese archaelogists touched on, is that real history is so much more interesting than the made up bs that people like Graham Hancock try to push. The evidence we have of things that actually happened tell some beautiful stories, and it gets ignored in place of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Not only is it disrespectful and blatantly racist, it's also a huge shame that some of these stories aren't being told
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100% agree! Conspiracies just aren't as interesting as the actual human lives and stories that get buried beneath these stupid falsities.
Bravo!!!!
Thank you Milo and editors for these videos