Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: My Epic Thoughts.
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- I finally got around to seeing Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (better late than never) and wanted to get my thoughts out there. Harrison Ford is my favorite actor, and the Indiana Jones franchise is one of my favorites of all time.
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bummer the thumbnail isnt you with red eyes screamin while hollywood sign burns behind you and indy is crying 😂
I could be wrong about this, but from my understanding this was neither deep fake technology nor was it traditional de-aging. I believe Harrison Ford has said in interviews that this was actual archival video of his face and they used mapping technology to place it in the movie. I thinks it’s basically slightly more advanced technology than deep fake or standard de-aging. Either way, I thought it was one of the best examples of this KIND of general technology, and I agree I don’t get the complaints. Of course it isn’t perfect! Why set expectations to an unachievable height, people?!
I can respect your opinion Dave, even as someone who didn't like the movie as much. I would've like to hear your thoughts on if you thought it made sense that Marion just showed up and forgave Indy and wanted to be with him, I wish they could've had him seek her out so he could have maybe earned that reconciliation, kind of like Rocky does at the end of creed two
Totally agree with you Dave. I think DOD is a good Indy movie (although to me it shows too much the lack of Spielberg at the helm, the lack of Spielberg's sense of wonder you know... but anyway it's ok). I enjoyed it, really. Am I the only one who think Helena punching Indy at the end of DOD is kind of mirroring Marion punching him in Raiders?
Not sure if the technology itself exists when it comes to de-aging voices. I do think they could’ve used dialogue from the previous films and mash them together kinda like how the creators of South Park did when they killed off Chef after Isaac Hayes left the show.
Good points
If you haven't done it yet, you should do a ranking of the Indiana Jones series.
At least Crystal Skull gave Indy A HAPPY ENDING! I think this movie would have been good and or successful if the movie starts out with an adult Short Round, who has become an archaeologist, following in Indy's footsteps. He needs Indy's help. Indy by now has become president of his university and has become wealthy and semi famous due to him writing several books about his adventures, which would have later formed into The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Him and Marion are thriving and are very happy together. Mutt has become more mature by now and him and Indy are getting along. Short Round tracks Indy down and Indy is shocked and surprised to see him after a few decades and is thrilled to see him. Short Round says he needs Indy's help and manages to entice Indy into one more adventure. Maybe Mutt comes along too? Anyway, later in the film, there's a tender moment between Indy and Short Round, where he says he thanks Indy for being his father figure and Indy says he loves him like a second son. At the end, Indy THEN decides to HAPPILY retire. Short Round, after all this time, has been wearing the same baseball cap he was wearing in Temple of Doom, Indy takes off his fedora and puts it on his head, thereby passing the torch. Similar, to the flashback sequence ending at the beginning of Last Crusade. Now THAT would have been a great swansong and would have made money!
I like it more than Temple of Doom
While the movie wasn't as bad as i was expecting the deaging was the best it could be....in retrospect i feel the movie could have been better. Also all the previous movies have been set in years that generally related to Fords real age. Indy 5 doesn't...it should have been set in 1979 not 1969 or alternatively the movie should have been made 10 years ago really.
I'd like to give praise to the poster art. The artwork illustration really is excellent & really captures the essence of the franchise. Plus seeing all the additionally promo material too in the cinema did make me smile....alot.
Sure, Brian Johnson and AC/DC can't hit those notes. I'd never expect them to be at their prime in 2023. But an Indy movie can still do practical FX and just use digital work to erase safety gear or enhance the environment like in Mad Max Fury Road. Yes, it would be a smaller, tighter film. Oh well. I'd be the first in line to see Fast and the Furious if their gimmick was "this one's all practical stunt work". I guess there is a fine line, and I think films like John Wick 2 walked it perfectly. John Wick 3 and 4 not so much. And the sad thing is I know there was a lot of real stunt work and practical sets in Indy Jones 5, but my brain now just defaults to "its all CGI" I'm all in with digital combined with practical on films like Star Wars, Dune or even Last Night in Soho. Not sure how else you replicate the 1960's. But watching the original Raiders knowing that there were real artists and stuntmen creating a masterpiece brings me joy no modern movie could.
This film is the same as Halloween Kills, they do things that bring us back to the old style of the previous film made us wish they done more in that time, but overall with my 2nd viewing I enjoy this quiet well....7.5/10 for me
14:25 lol loved the vid
I watched Dial of Destiny a few days ago and I thought it was okay, but I’d probably put it at the bottom of my ranking. I actually like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and thought that film was a better ending for Indy. Of course, there didn’t need to be any more films after the first three, but if I had to pick between Skull and Dial as a final film, I’d choose Skull. I thought it was more fun and felt like it still had a bit of the spirit of the first three films. I didn’t really get that feeling from Dial. I still enjoyed the film though and I agree that it should’ve been a bit shorter.
Idc to watch this movie, personally. However, if it's released on D+ before November comes around, I'll consider checking it out. Thanks for your perspective, Dave. I don't agree with everything you say, but I respect everything you say👍
I was reading up on the voice thing and maybe somebody has said this below but I think Harrison Ford didn’t like the idea.
I really wanted to love it! I don't hate it and I don't love it! It's in the middle for me.
Am I the only one who thought we were getting back to the future ending.
When Helena knocked Indy out, I thought he would wake up with his son alive. It seemed like they were setting it up for that, lol!
I thought the deaging was pretty good for the most part.
I don't think this is woke either. I am not a fan of Helena as it felt like Indy was getting disrespected , even though I know it's part of her character.
I think bringing Short round back and him dragging Indy on one last adventure would have been a great way to go, especially since Indy lost his son and short round being like a son to Indy!!
Great discussion, Dave!!
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I loved it, sorry. I wasn’t expecting very much after Crystal Skull, Cannes Film Festival and Disney’s typical work.
I thought it was great. I found it kinda emotional and really fun. It was just a good time.
I will comment once I have a chance to go see the movie for myself. I do trust your thoughts and opinions on movies but I will need to see it to properly judge it.
And that's how it always should be!
@@DaveMcRaeOfficial Absolutely agree!
I am SO happy you liked the movie, Dave! I felt exactly the same way.
I really enjoyed it. My expectations were low after the 4th film and I tried not comparing it to the first three. It had a fantastic final act!
I enjoyed it a lot but they made a really crappy mistake not bringing back Short Round at all as an adult. The guy is an Oscar winning actor today. We never even found out what became of him.
@@rockybalboa4593 Yes, that's true.
Why can't we just go enjoy a movie anymore why do some people always think there's some hidden agenda I mean for gosh sakes you taking away the joy of seeing Harrison Ford in one last movie I wish we could go back to the days where we could just go to a movie eat some popcorn for 2 hours and remember the magic of movies
They outright say they have an agenda...what are we supposed to think?
Because most of the movies released these days push an agenda. Every movie Kathleen Kennedy makes has some sort of agenda. That is why movies these days keep failing. Yeah, I would love to go back to the 80's when I was a kid, and simply sit down and watch a great movie. One that focused on the story, not putting the agenda before the story.When there was a strong female character, they were not forced on u. Strong female characters were just badass on their own. People were rooting for her to survive and defeat whatever was in their way. Movies these days suck. Plain and simple.
It's made by a trash scummy company, just because you're a normie and don't know what's going on, it doesn't mean others don't.
Saw this opening weekend and had a blast. Harrison Ford punched Nazis, cracked a whip and explored various regions. Thats all I wanted.
to cut to the point..i left the theater happy enough with this movie just like i did part 4. Funny the movies that seem so popular and getting rave reviews by the masses are more garbage..The expectations for movies like this are off the charts. Bring it down people..
I agree with the frustration of these people trashing it based on they’re expectations. Especially frustrating because I feel like they missed a good movie. I really enjoyed it. I thought Ford was terrific. Made me emotional few times throughout
I enjoyed it a lot but they made a really crappy mistake not bringing back Short Round at all as an adult. The guy is an Oscar winning actor today. We never even found out what became of him.
I am not saying the people saying the ending was reshot because Helena took Indy's hat because he dies is true, but I am pretty sure I read an article in Screen Junkies. That quoted an interview with John William's that he said the ending was being refilm and he was brought back to re-score it. I could be wrong, but even so, That doesnt mean that it was because the ending was like some where saying. I might watch it once it comes out to stream, but I am not really interested in watching an 75 to 80 years old Indy. I like to think it ended with "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"
Loved your thoughts on indy 5 dave. I knew you would give a fair analysis of the film, im a big indy fan. 1st indy movie i ever saw was temple of doom at the cinema when i was 8. Loved dr jones ever since. All the online hate really put a downer on my looking forward to dial of destiny. But when i saw it i loved it and realised how full of crap these people are. Thanks again for a great review. I felt exactly the same as you.
Still interested in your thoughts on this film Dave. Thank you. This franchise was a staple in my brothers and I childhood. This film met my expectations, which were low by the way. I knew going in this was a send off with a very old Harrison Ford. Could it have been better, hell yeah. But this wasn't going to feel like it did when I was a kid. I knew that.
I enjoyed it a lot but they made a really crappy mistake not bringing back Short Round at all as an adult. The guy is an Oscar winning actor today. We never even found out what became of him.
@@rockybalboa4593 My brother said the same thing to me as we left the theater. But yeah it would have been amazing.
So many reviews i see on CZcams trashing this film and its just mind blowing to me. I absolutely loved it. It respected the character, great arc and 2 extremely emotional scenes as well. Great performance by harrison
I loved the movie. I can’t expect an old Indy to do things a young Indy was capable of doing. As far as the ending it was hard not to get choked up. It all started with raiders and it ended with a recreation of a scene from raiders. To me this was the perfect send off and a good way to end the story. The fact sullah is still there by Indy’s side was good as well.
I never expected this to be as great as the first 3 movies or Ford to be 40 again but this is a pretty bad movie and I think it's not hard to see why this bombed. I think most people are sick of what KK and LucasFilm are doing to these iconic male characters, Indy, Luke, Han, Obi-Wan and Willow became these old miserable broken-down men and they've female characters telling them how much they suck. It's pretty predictable and boring at this point.
I was overall quite satisfied with the movie & Indy’s character arc throughout. There’s some great emotional beats that permeate throughout the story. I think that the Teddy character could have been minimised though & perhaps cut after they left Tangier. I appreciated that this film was a little more aggressive in terms of its violence & more in line with Raiders & Temple in that regard. I also particularly love just how bonkers the ending gets & watching Voller & his minions freak out when they realise how badly they messed up. At the moment having only watched it once this movie ranks ahead of Crystal Skull - however in time I could actually see myself even putting this even ahead of The Last Crusade; but Raiders & Temple will always reign supreme.
Legit going to watch this with alcohol lol
I really liked it. 8/10 Your Final Shot of the movie would have been GREAT
They’re doing the same thing with Barbie now lol “FemINist PropAgAnDa”
would be a weird take for something like BARBIE haha a girl movie ..
"IT'S BARBIE!!!" 🤦♂️
i mean it has feminist stuff in it
Is this gaslighting?...because they've gone out of they're way to say that it is.
@@waynedowney7869 guest starring.. the exclamation points huh xD
From what I’ve heard, it seems like Kathleen Kennedy has a thing with replacing the main hero with a British brunette woman and making them one up the original hero. I don’t know how true this is for Indians Jones 5
Don't listen to what the internet tells you about Kathleen Kennedy 😆 they just can't be trusted sadly
@@Vault420overseerwell I did go and see the Sequel trilogy so the internet is not entirely wrong
It's true thou
@@Vault420overseero, why should u be trusted? Why should anyone that defends this shit show be trusted? Kennedy is a cancer, destroying everything her greedy Hands touch. But, no matter what this hack does, there will always be someone that defends the bs decisions she makes. It is crazy how she hasn't been fired yet. She has cost Disney so much money, she nearly bankrupt the company. Eventually, Disney will go bankrupt, and it will be all her fault.
@@simonmills3417 no it’s not. That’s nonsense. Indiana Jones movies have always had a strong female co star since the series began.
So many points i can counter you on dave but i run out of space lol this film made Harrison ford a loser in this like force awakens, one of the best counter points is why didnt they have short round in it and you're wrong on pwb, kk said herself about her taking over in a recent interview look it up
See, this is part of the problem. you're lacking nuance in your accusations. Kathleen Kennedy didn't say that Phoebe Waller bridge was going to take over as the new Indiana Jones. she suggested that it was entirely possible that there could be a spin-off film with her character. she wouldn't be Indiana Jones, she would be the current character she is in a possible spin-off, that has nothing to do with Indiana Jones, and everything to do with her character.
Dial of destiny isn't woke.
Did you hear anything Dave said?
Asking why short round was not in Dial of Destiny isn't a counter argument lol.
@@kevindustin396 she didn't have short round cause she wanted her own self insert so it's a counter point, and the ending was re shot it was going to have her take over, the movie is one of the biggest box office flops of all time stop defending trash
@simonmills3417 There is no evidence whatsoever that that was going to be the original ending. Just because there were reshoots, doesn't mean they were replacing that ending. James Mangold said no such ending was ever shot or written. Stop listening to unverified rumors. A buddy of mine saw an early test screening in the UK wnd said that ending never existed. The reshoots were for other things.
Short round was never on the table so he was never replaced lol.
Dave gave his thoughts. You don't have to agree with him. But it doesn't make him "wrong" lol
Never said dave was wrong just I can give conter points to his thoughts, you know like proper movie discussions, and James is a liar cause we have this information from people that worked on the set doomcock was ✅️
I agree with what u said, but you're just wasting your time. People are going to defend this movie and every movie that comes out from Disney.
I enjoyed it a lot but they made a really crappy mistake not bringing back Short Round at all as an adult. The guy is an Oscar winning actor today. We never even found out what became of him.
Haters will always tell you you're wrong for liking something they don't. As if there's some universal opinion that you have to have. In contrast someone who gives a measured critique that leans favorable like Dave will always say that it's okay to disagree.
I enjoyed it a lot but they made a really crappy mistake not bringing back Short Round at all as an adult. The guy is an Oscar winning actor today. We never even found out what became of him.
@rockybalboa4593 Dude, stop spamming people's comments with this comment. Just say this as your own comment and let people come to you.
BTW they were already shooting Indy 5 long before his comeback in EEAAO. They didn't make a mistake, he wasn't acting at the time.
Made by a scummy pos company, the film was utter garbage compared to the original 3.
Dave did label people that didn't like the movie, I never expected this to be as great as the original trilogy or Ford to be like he was at 40 or even 65 like he was in Crystal Skull but it's still a pretty bad movie.
The film definitely got way more of a negative reaction than it deserved. After seeing the new M:I film, I do wish they'd utilized practical effects more like they did in that film, but I understand hardly any films do that anymore. I saw this film with my parents who are in their upper 60s and are only casual fans of the original films. They both enjoyed it a lot. I had already warned them it was going to probably be terrible based on what I'd heard online and elsewhere. Honestly, for me, the most disappointing thing in the whole film was the lack of a clever way to fade in from the Paramount mountain logo. They did actually have the Paramount logo, which I was shocked by...
If I have to describe Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny in one word then it would be: *soulless*
Glad it bombed at the Box Office.
You got that by watching your culture war channels lol. Can you come up with your own thoughts without being told what to think?
@kevindustin396 Well, I'm not watching nor subscribing to those "culture war" channels you mentioned. Those are my own thoughts and I thought Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny sucked.
Thankfully I wached Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1 two weeks later and that's how you make an actual GOOD Sequel. Have a nice day 👍🏻
I also enjoyed the movie, but my expectations were realistic: Dial of Destiny WAS NEVER GOING TO TOUCH THE ORIGINALS. Anyone that walked in with that mindset is an absolute moron. 2023 is a completely different era from 1981, 1984, and 1989 respectively. (Hell, it might even be a different era from 2008.) And I gotta say, now that I’ve seen the movie, knowing what the online discourse is like (and will always be going forward), especially from groups and CZcams Channels that hate everything and call everything “woke”… Y’all look like a bunch of @#&%ing idiots.
Look, folks: I’m aware of the fact that Kathleen Kennedy should’ve been fired after Rise of Skywalker, because she’s terrible and incompetent. But at the same time, there was a lot riding on this movie, and all it had to do was stick the landing and be better than Crystal Skull. And for me, I thought that it did both those things. Dial of Destiny is better than Crystal Skull, and it did stick the landing (in my opinion anyway). Job well-done, James Mangold!
So what happens now/next? Where do we go from here? Well, the Original Trilogy has already cemented itself in movie history no matter what at this point. Those movies are legendary, and in general, yes, they should’ve ended it at Last Crusade. But given where we are with movies right now, and living in a post-Crystal Skull universe, Dial of Destiny should be the final Indiana Jones movie, once and for all. And looking at the box office numbers as of right now, it’s seeming more and more likely that that’s going to be the case. And I’m fine with that. We don’t need another Indiana Jones movie after this. No reboots, no recasting, none of that. Let Dial of Destiny be the true end to this franchise, because I do worry that having an Indiana Jones movie without Harrison Ford in it will look more like a parody of itself than a legit movie. Take notes, Hollywood!
And as for Crystal Skull, well… I think we can all look back on it and just laugh our #&%@! off. Because assuming that that movie was the end of the franchise and there was no Dial of Destiny, it would be so much more frustrating. But now, it’s not anymore and because of that, the flaws of that movie become much more tolerable (even though they still exist and they will always exist until the end of time). And that’s okay, because it’s one of those definitions of a turn-your-brain-off background TV movie. (Which you need to do, by the way. Because once you turn that brain on, especially by the time you get to the third act, that’s when everything falls apart.) I’ve said it before, so I’ll say it again: People are in a safe position to either enjoy Crystal Skull for what it is, or they can just skip it entirely. And now they can do any of those two options, so there’s no right or wrong answer there.
So yeah… that’s where we are now with Indiana Jones. Dial of Destiny stuck the landing, Crystal Skull is the true odd-one-out, and the Original Trilogy will live on forever in cinema history. This franchise can now truly ride off into the sunset (for real). Thank you for everything Harrison Ford, and hats off to ya! (Or should I say… “Fedoras off to ya”?)
Having some standards isn't a bad thing and nobody was saying that this should be better than Raiders or match it. I also never heard anyone saying it's one of the worst movies ever made. I'm not sure why you're labeling people and going so over the top to defend it. Dial is a bad movie and you shouldn't blame the fans for having standards.
LOVED IT