They had a good reliable truck that was a fuel hog. Some weight reduction, direct injection, and a 10 speed would have been enough to keep consumers buying.
@@getexposedlmao Carbon builds up on the valves and requires the 'heads' to be removed to clean. Just another maintenance nightmare - as they created a solution to a problem that did not exist. Multi port fuel injection works - direct is non stop problems.
I have the 2022 SR5 it's one awesome truck. I use regular fuel and it moves as fast as I want it to go. I gave my son my 2017 Tundra TRD4X4 it too is a great truck but loved gasoline, only issue with that truck. My 2022 rides so much better than the 2017, with that said the 2017 was built for off road my 2022 isn't it is a 4x4. It just seemed to me you were looking for issues that make little to no difference. The 2022 doesn't get Primus gas numbers, but it gets far better than the 2017. Just my thoughts, have a great week ahead.
I have a 2022 SR5 2x2 Crewmax. The only issue you describe here that could be something you could claim you didn't realize or know after a walk around and a test drive is the power using lower octane fuel. I get more power than I need from my engine on 87 octane gas. It might be better with higher octane but I don't need higher performance than I'm getting and one of the big pluses to me is the fact that I get an average of 21 MPG in this truck around town which saves me money on gas. I don't want to lose that advantage by paying the higher price for higher octane if I don't need it. All the other "issues" you describe would be obvious when you walk around the truck and take it for a test drive. So if they are issues for you, obviously, it's not the truck for you! But I love mine!
I have the 2023 tundra sx px double cab. I love it. yeah the mpg is a bummer but overall it’s working great. Pulls fine. it’s a truck, I don’t have a problem climbing up into the bed just like all my older trucks.
Keep up the honest reviews and that way folks deciding on whether to get the new ‘22 or not will have some things to consider… Luckily for me its: Long live my Gen2 and the V8!!
That with the turning radius is really mind-boggling. TNGA-F is a global platform meaning it needs to perform in places with tiny roads. That was a massive oversight by Toyota.
Yea I own a 22 Tundra and I think a lot of this is preference. When I bought my tundra I’m 6’1 with the seat raised a bit and have enough headroom to where it’s a non factor. The turning radius sucks because of the new platform they designed on the truck. The 3 inches of the bumper sticking out is a non factor when you could get a bed step for like 70 bucks. I thought you were gonna talk about things that a lot of people use in their daily life. Plus let’s be real a majority of people spending 60k+ on their truck isn’t going to take in the woods, or work out of it either. They are going to be daily driven family style trucks. The new trucks are above and beyond the previous in all aspects aside from the nitpicks you listed in the video. I never would’ve bought a tundra if it didn’t have the amount of features and equipment the new ones have. Amazing JBL system, heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheel, pano roof, 14 in screen, wireless car play. All amazing features.
The reason i got the 20 Tundra...i want nothing to do with turbos. I love the V8 and it isn't as bad on fuel as so many claim. I love the box size on the 20 compared to my Tacoma. The lack of a step into the box is hardly a problem...you can get a step that goes into the hitch or i also have a 3 step ladder 🪜 in my box.
I am a huge fan of Toyota. I’ve owned a 4RUNNER, LandCruiser and a Tundra. I was waiting for the new Tundra to come out but after looking at it I’m actually thinking of going to a different brand. Never thought I would ever buy a truck that wasn’t a Toyota.
Michael to even go to another brand is a bad idea. I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the new 2022 Tundra Limited. As an owner for three weeks I can tell you that the small things mentioned in this video is none existent once you drive the truck. It’s amazing! Yes I know the rear bumper should have been designed better and they should have put tow hooks but to switch to Ford , Chevy or Dodge is a Huge mistake. I’ve owned them all and they are garbage. Yes Chevy has a cool tailgate and Ford and Dodge have some cool gadgets but the price you pay for a truck now a days it better be reliable and hold its value. The big three haven’t figured that out yet.
Absolutely love my 2018 1794 edition. All the things he’s saying about the 2022 versus the previous generations is absolutely the truth. Toyota should not have been pressured to make it “better”. The old adage goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
I saw it coming a mile away No tow hooks No way to step into bed tailgate down Beds smaller V6 with shit fuel economy when I’d have been ok with a 10 speed v8 Interior got smaller Tech is bad Seating didn’t get better or more comfortable Cost is outrageous Bad turning radius I got a 2nd year 21 Titan pro4x and love it and didn’t even pay50k
I specifically bought a new Tundra in 2021 to avoid the new generation. The gas mileage is horrible. But I'm more than happy to deal with that in lieu of dealing with all the issues that has come with the new generation.. it strikes me as odd that the new Tundras went from impossible to get, to seeing 22s already on the lot selling as used... who makes a 4 wheel drive pickup without front tow hooks? 🤯
I bought a 2021 also. Traded a 2016 for it. One thing that i noticed right away was the tail gate is much lighter than the 2016. I'm guessing that they used much lighter gauge metal on the 2021. I am seeing 2-3 highway mpg improvement 21 vs. 16 so it seems that they used lighter materials for the entire vehicle. I would like to have the cabin upgrades that the 3rd gen offers but the V8 reliability is more important to me. I'm really glad that I got one of the last 2nd gens.
It's as though the '07 to '21 Tundra was built with an entirely different mission protocol. Sure, they're both pick up trucks, but our Tundras were stout, streamlined, and stronger than they needed to be. This new truck is like a tofu burger. It's answering questions no one is asking, and losing it's core values. It also looks like 2 pallets of building materials dropped off in a parking lot.
@@kedrevs4037 When the 2007 models were introduced they showed the Tundra working on West Texas Ranches pulling Gooseneck trailers full of cattle. On Construction sites pulling trailers with Machinery, Working in Mines and quarries. This 2022 model is aimed at the beach crowd who haul their surfboard to the beach or the person who uses it to commute to the city from their affluent home in the suburbs. TOTAL FAILURE by Toyota on this Hot mess 2022 model
The truck market has changed a lot since 2007, and they think they are catering to Truck buyers with the new redesign. They forgot that people buy Tundras because it is a reliable dinosaur that was still relatively cheaper than the competition. A top trim platinum/trdpro 2021 Tundra is about $54k, which is like a mid-level Ram Laramie/F150 XLT. This truck is 3-4 yrs late, and removed features that made it special, like a big 38-gal fuel tank, large 4.30 rear axle, excellent turn radius, bulletproof drivetrain, and looks that was mean, but modest. Toyota assumes that Truck buyers are similar to regular car/suv buyers. They are successful in those markets because the buyers see the vehicle mostly as transportation and luxury is a bonus, but most Truck buyers see their vehicle as a mobile functional tool
Agreed. It's almost as if Toyota is sending a subliminal message that they are looking to get out of the truck business all together... I work for a Toyota dealership, have driven the new version and in my mind it's a big FAIL.
Have had the 2022 tundra trd off road crew max for 1 week now. It’s the best truck I have owned and best Toyota vehicle to date. I have had multiple Tacoma’s, 2016 tundra, 2020 4runner. Just wait until you test drive one! I am blown away.
I have had my 2022 Tundra Limited crew max for 3 weeks and I love it too! Traded in my 2020 Ford F150. The order wait time was totally worth it, this '22 Tundra is by far the best one (for me).
I’m glad you’re making these videos. I wish TFL and the other big channels would mention these things. I canceled my plans to get one when I saw how horrible this new design was. Toyota really screwed the pooch on this one.
I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the 2022 Tundra Limited a few weeks ago. This is a Great truck. The complaints in this video are minor. Yes not having tow hooks and a place to step on the bumper wasn’t the smartest idea but this is all around a great truck and Far better than a Ford, Dodge or Chevy. Maybe Toyota missed it on a few gadgets but this truck rides amazing, turns just as good as the previous Tundra that I owned and the interior is extremely comfortable and spacious still. Toyotas reliability and resale value is untouchable plus this is a great looking truck with So many more positives than negatives. People need to stop complaining about the small stuff and recognize a great vehicle.
@@100868ful You sound like a salesman. I'm glad you like your truck, but that doesn't change reality. The 2022 is more expensive and has went backwards in many ways compared to the previous generation.
@@100868ful only time will tell about reliability on this one, we all know how made in America truck holds its build quality. Paper specs what sell this 2022.
You guys sound like a bunch of women complaining about their purse pockets. When the first gen T100 came out, great truck but just not for everybody. You spoiled folks can never be satisfied. "I want everything I had and tons more." So typical. I'm still embracing the new powertrain and functional design for it. Ask Ford, they can never satisfy their customers completely either. If toyota still gives you QDR, and that's good for today's time, plus unmatched resale value, plus fuel economy matched with their competitors, then I think their short falls are as bad as others. Remember, they make incremental changes over time to make their trucks better. And they've always been behind the big three cosmetically and functionality, but hold their own. I can excuse their short comings like ford customers do. I'm sure they are aware what people think and like the T100, I don't believe they are trying to steal the truck market but give you a tool you can depend on.
You hit the nail on the head. I’m a Toyota guy, own a 2016 Avalon and 1980 FJ40. I was seriously considering a new Tundra as a tow vehicle for my 40 but I’m disappointed in the Tundra due to a car-like payload rating, lack of flat floor in the back, no bed access, no tow hooks, no V8, and interesting styling decisions. The Tundra might reach its tow capacity without exceeding its payload with a 120lb driver, no cargo, and a bed full of helium. I just ordered a new F250 Tremor with the 7.3L V8. Similar price point and three times the capability. My money went to Ford this time.
Two guys have the 7.3 in the Tremor package at work. Some Nitto Ridge Grapplers and that is a hell of a truck. Bet that 7.3 lasts a long, long time too.
I worked as a tech for Toyota since 1981, on and off to the tune of 32 years total time with them as a master tech. I retired March 2021. I special ordered a new F-150, extra cab, 5.0 in 2018. Ordered the 3.31 rear for mileage, it's got 10 speeds anyways... I have squeaked near 27 mpg's on the highway out of it. Average with normal driving, mostly highway is 20-22. 16-18 around town driving easy. And yes as low as 12 around town putting your foot in it all the time. BUT, overall I love it an at 4 years later am still delighted with my choice of the truck for my needs. I had an 04 F-250 with the 6.0 diesel before it. Never had an issue with it either! YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE YOUR NEW FORD!!!
I hope your SD treats you better than mine. I traded my 17 tundra in on one last year. Power steering leaked at 400 and again around 2000 miles when they finally replaced the pump. Needless to say I traded it in for a 21 tundra before I couldn't get one. I loved that truck though and never would have ditched it if I didn't have any of the aforementioned issues.
Thanks for the video. Yea the dealership will never tell you anything negative, just everything you want to hear. Im happy with my 18 tundra. I will keep it forever and in the future 2-3 years maybe I'll then consider another Tundra and give my 18 one to my Son.
You keep breaking my heart on a new Tundra! But I appreciate these comparisons showing these differences how Toyota went backwards in so many ways! Good videos!
Depends on what your needs are. The 2nd Gen has served me great, wish Toyota had built on it's capability. Improved MPGs might suit some, but there are too many compromises for my needs.
@@kedrevs4037 Great points. The lack of step on the tailgate leaves me scratching my head. Overall the new gen meets my needs moreso than my 18. Great fuel economy, more power, higher payload, greater towing and a truck that blows the 2nd gen away in the driveability dept. Always a few issues with a new gen tho. Worth a test drive imo.
I agree the rear bumper set up is odd. Everyone is integrating steps and Toyota decided to delete them? I also needs recovery hooks for the way I use my truck. I’m going to hold off and see if Toyota can figure this stuff out by ‘23 or ‘24. It’s time for a refresh already. 🤔
@@joseperezpaz9986 I'm not saying it's impossible but it will be a difficult feat, especially the front bumper. If anyone had a solution, I would think it would be Toyota through their TRD division, bcuz the absence of front recovery hooks on the 2022 Tundra is costing Toyota a lot of sales. People in snowy climates need both front and rear recovery points.
They copied all the other brands with cheapish styling and materials..it looks very similar to my pos Sierra. Same body panels and build quality..my new Sierra is the worst truck I've ever owned..these companies should be sued for poor quality products. Forget about all modern pickups, they are playing games right now. Go with a Tacoma or older model tundra..that's your only bet anymore. Maybe a f250 or ram25000 . The whole car market right now is collapsing
@@nocturnalme3549 I wouldn’t buy a car/truck right now but I lost an engine - need a vehicle asap. Trying to score something and then maybe trade in a year from now. The economy is in recession and I can see it collapsing end of year. Good for buyers. As you said, everything seems to be lacking in quality.
87 Octane per the owner’s manual page 547 btw. Most people have this mistaken belief turbo engines require premium fuel. Ford EcoBoost engines get the same comments. I’ve owned both and the 2022 is better than the 5.7L off the line. It doesn’t sound like it is which I think it causing the confusion. The bed size is an interesting thought. I’ll have to do a direct comparison with a tape measure.
And Tim, if you add the added functionality that the new Tundra has in the bed, (Multiple cutouts for 2x6, Bed Lighing, Composite material, 400 watt plug) I still think that it is a much better bed and offers more utility than the previous generation. I don't like the decrease in space/size but I'll get over it I think.
@@SSMedic certainly it is a more useful bed than the prior gen. It does slope which I only started to notice after people started talking about it. Interestingly, I found I liked the slope after a recent snow fall. It kept the snow from building up in the corners and is helping it melt faster.
Tim thanks for the update, and I respect your input. But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things. That inconsistency is bothersome. Until someone dynos it, we won't really know.
@@Pickuptrucktalk And Tim to save you some time in the cold Nebraska winter, Toyota list the 2nd gen crewmax bed as 66.7"L x66.4" W and I just measured my depth at 23.75" with the spray in liner. Toyota lists the 2022 shortbed crewmax at 65.6"lx 58.7'W x 20.9"H
@@kedrevs4037 "But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things." I don't think these are different things. Whatever the manufacturer of any brand publishes HP and torque numbers, they base that on the recommended fuel used. For example, Nissan has best in class HP and torque WITH premium fuel and they denote that. The email you got was interesting for sure.
despite the shortcomings you mentioned here, I place a very high value on reliability and safety when I buy a truck. I would still buy this truck all day long over the competition, hands down. The composite bed is such an improvement over a steel bed.
I’ll chip in here I owned a 23 iforce max. I bought it thinking I was getting a reliable truck. It was not. it completely shut down on me at a stop light and not just because it’s a hybrid I mean it shut down like no gauges no lights nothing. It knocked itself out of gear backing out of a parking spot and let me tell you about the rattles omg the rattles. It was the fastest I’ve ever traded a vehicle in with the only good thing I can say being the resale value was decent. I personally went back to ram and will never buy Toyota again. Weird times we live in where a dodge is a higher quality vehicle than Toyota.
It is just mind boggling how Toyota could screw this up this bad after years of hype and anticipation. I have told many people about how great my turning radius is on my 2020, to think that even this is now gone is unbelievable, no tow hooks, marginally better mileage Ugly as hell looks, I am sorry this is a hard NO for me. Love your videos.
@@rolandtariche4602 Turning radius is the Main reason I bought the 2021 tundra (that and the rear window roll down). When your a property manager in a city, turning radius is important
Except for the Camry everything they make has an ugly front. Too many Japanese making the decisions on styling. They want the front to look like Japanese Anime.
We just came out of a pandemic and parts are still in short supply, so are decent engineers worth their weight in gold. Everyone should stop buying anything, car or truck, until these issues can be resolved and things come back to normal, if you go to a supermarket you notice how crappy everything is being packaged? I've seen cereal boxes with the cardboard tabs glued on crooked, not by a little bit, and on a number of kinds of packaging. There's a rush to put out products in the face of high demand and low workers, car manufacturers are no different, all businesses have to make a profit, if they can't put out product they'll have to shut down.
This is the "New Coke" of trucks, for any of you that were around when that took place. Coca-Cola changed the formula back due to CONSUMER Feedback (good for them BTW).
The tundra is probably what it is for its customer base, a commuter truck. I used to have a 2014 limited and never once had to use 4lo ever, needed a locking rear diff, crawl mode, front tow hooks, max out towing or payload. It just got me to the office 5 days a week and tow a boat on some weekends, haul some construction materials from Menards, etc. We traded it for a new 2016 Sequoia platinum as we added another baby to our family. So I drove a Honda Accord to work. There’s a part of me that still misses my truck so I’ve been intrigued by what people are seeing in the third gen. and we’ll see, might spring for the new tundra after a test drive, and if it’s not a good fit, I’ll likely get a sport sedan like a Lexus IS500 to daily.
@@kedrevs4037 right, it’s definitely not as capable if you’re doing weekend rock crawling, off roading, towing skid loaders and farm equipment around, etc. I’d go HD and diesel for towing. Guys are now reporting huge wastegate problems with the turbos in the new tundras that require the cab be removed just to fix it. Dangers of buying first production run. I personally dislike the idea of putting a Turbo gas in a truck, I really like a dependable V8 and wish they kept it as an option, with an 8 or 10 speed and get rid of the 4:30 gears, total overkill for a commuter truck that hurts gas mileage. Here’s a video just posted regarding the wastegate issues. czcams.com/video/wC5QMExIPNI/video.html
The biggest concern I have with the 2cd gen tundra is it’s fuel consumption. it seems like the new tundra geared more towards leisure driving than a working truck.
If you want a working truck get a ford. Toyota had the luxury of not developing anything new for reliability. The moment they try something new, well. Its just ugly and sucks and seems like the enlarged some corolla/camry features for a truck interior
@@zzanatos2001 yup, they might not be super reliable like toyotas are but there's also a reason why Toyota doesn't have the payload or towing numbers to compare
@@wayned3137 it sure is. Where's the Toyota 2500 or 250? Wait?.... LOL OR what happened to the T150?! Wait, copied ford again there! The tundra has copied fords with interior and exterior since the early 2000's. The only one that hasn't is the 08-13. Then they copied the interior after that. Toyota can't even design a v6 that can be worked on with the cab of the truck on still. This new gen needs the cab taken off to do work. They can't compete. The only time I see tundra on the job site is when helpers start and they end up needing to upgrade to a real truck
What makes me frustrated with Toyota is that they had literally forever to come up with the next truck and pretty much dropped the ball. It went from 2007 to 2021 with a refresh and couple other updates…Ford had like 3 generations of f-150’s in that same amount of time. You would think they could have done better…the 2nd gen Tundra will forever be the best…imo
1 - bed depth got smaller 2 - cab got slightly smaller 3 - no bumper space to get into bed 4 - bigger turning radius 5 - smaller rear axle 6 - storage under back seat 7 - best performance comes with 91octane or higher.
I'd say Toyota did a dam good job as long as it still carry the same QDR and resale value, more capability and better ride quality, some of us won't complain.
@@365handle Muh rEsAlE vAlUe and ReLiAbIlItY. Toyotas not that great and you sheep who are brand loyal cause these problems. It's worse in class truck and just copied main features of the big 3 to try and compete while leaving behind everything the tundra was.
@@oliverramclam6009 Toyo dealer buys back used ‘’21-22 Tundras with low mileage - pay seller almost what he paid when new. They re-sell them at or over sticker. They’re the only available trucks on their lots. Enterprise offered me $500 over KBB for my ‘12 with 120k miles. Used market is CRAZY
I agree and this is why i ordered a 2022 TRX. To be fair to Toyota the thing about regular fuel was indeed a misprint. I don’t think that should count as a knock.
My gen 1 has 225,000. And has been on most back roads of Death Valley and never had an issue also haul firewood in the mountains of sierra Nevada mts use about 3/4 at oil every 4,000 miles
The guy is obviously sour on the Tundras which is fine but he takes that bias and latches on to anything negative he can. So he goes into nonsense speculation a out the fuel with nothing to back it up.
I agree. Having owned Tundras for the last 12 years, their business was mine to lose, and they have. No easy way to get in the bed, and I don't mean a tailgate, just bumper steps would be fine. No tow hooks, smaller cab, worse turning radius. They missed so many simple things. Toyota was always top of my list. They are now below GM and Ford. I hope they fix this. If someone from Toyota sees this, people don't care about gimmicky front spoilers that drop down, and a button in the tailight for the bed. Look at the GMC AT4, and build that truck with your quality. It sis functional, has steps in the bumper, much wider bed, tow hooks, great factory tires, factory lift. Only complaint is the fuel tank is 24 gallons. It should be 30 or 32.
Owned three reliable tundras since ‘07. The fact that you have to remove the cab in the ‘22 to service something in the engine is disconcerting. All the gear in the engine bay is packed in there with little room to spare w/videos pointing this out. However, the truck ks amazing via testimony trickling in from owners. *Ford eco boost was an abysmal failure early on with mechanics concurring their dumpsters were full of failed engine blocks. Toyota’s TTV6 will be better.
the 2 speed 4wd transfer case is like 200+lbs. That'll lower your payload by 200+lb, in addition if you have the 38 gallons vs 26 gallons fuel tank they will deduct from payload assuming you are full. Which is roughly 90-100lbs (12 extra gallons of fuel). So if you have the larger fuel tank and the 4wd option, its almost 300 lbs payload difference.
Went from a 2020 SR5 Crew to a 2022 SR5 Crew 2 weeks ago. It's definitely a little tighter on the inside, doesn't feel small though for a 6'4 guy, but the 2020 interior was massive. You're right on the turn radius, I had a new gen Camry before the 2020 and that felt and was more annoying turn radius wise than the 20 Tundra was, the 22 is not as good, but wouldn't say day to day I've felt a huge difference. Overall I love the 22, the look is awesome, there of course are those little things that aren't the same, but the v6 is much more enjoyable than the v8 was, with all respect to the v8, it's an incredible engine, but it guzzles fuel and doesn't have that kick the v6 does.
@@glenarseneau4796 6 months in and I still stand by it! Love the 22, gas mileage has been awesome, getting 19-21 depending how much highway driving I do. It's an awesome truck
I don't like that the tailpipe comes out the drivers side and they use fake engine noise piped in. The fender flares don't even cover the wheel wells and does not provide good protection. They don't look right to me. The front and back bumpers are made from molded plastic like cars and the least tiny bump will destroy them. This truck I feel is more car like and is made for people who don't really use a truck much as a truck. Just some of my thoughts I was hoping for better. This truck lies between the Honda pickup and the current Tundra.
I've gone form a second gen '19 to the '22 and I agree with a couple of the negatives, especially the loss of 1.5" of the rear seat leg room. What easily carried 4 adult males (or 3 good size kids in the back) is now very cramped for 4 adult males (or at least the two suckers in the back). The other issue is the lack of the step into the bed. Yes, even though I would use my rims/tires, it was nice to have that step. I guess I'll have to dole out a few hundred more for the power step. That should have been standard. Haven't noticed the steering radius being an issue, nor the sluggishness (I don't think it exists if you run 87 or better). The load it can cary has gone up by 200+#'s, so you should correct that error in the video. It also tows more. The bed is smaller, but I doubt I'll notice the difference. The only time I would have an issue is with the height. There were a couple times I was right at the top with a bulky item when I had the Gator Trax closed, but I went with a folding tonneau this time. There are a lot of positives though and overall I find it a better overall truck. Is it worth the $$? Probably not, but my '19 was totaled by a tree and I needed a new truck. Didn't even consider the others same in class. I've had a few Toyota trucks over the years and never had a problem. Worst issue was a vibration from my windshield when doing over 75 mph in my '07 Tacoma.
Appreciate the response and hope it continues to serve you well. Payload has gone up on the spec sheet, but not as much on the door stickers that I've seen. Most of the payload change is directly attributable to decreased fuel tank size.
Sometimes I wish that lead engineer and designer, Mike Swears, would do a question and answer session in live tv, so we could ask these specific questions. Typically it would be prestaged, so he could prepare for all the answers, before they were even asked. Thanks for pointing out these issues. Keeping the 2007 SR5 for life.
All those issues that you mentioned are getting fixed now and added on the 2023. I wish Toyota would have kept that as an option 5.7, or at least the 5.0 form the Lexus. Add that Hybrid system to improve the fuel economy. if I’m 6’4 and can seat behind me on the 2020 Extended cab, I tried the same on the 2022 and I couldn’t. I feel that Toyota did that on purpose to get people buy the Crew cab. That rear bumper is going to change quickly, they are getting a lot of negative feedback, make the less resistant to small accidents. In the old Tundra the bumper was modular.
I have a 1993 Toyota still rolling, I been investing my money all my life not wasting it on cars and trucks and now I don't have to work to buy junk like this or have to ask anyone or anybody for the time of day. Fishing every day.
The 2022 Toyota Tundra CrewMax comes with 41.6 inches of rear seat leg room compared with 42.3 inches in 2021. Only .7 inches decrease here. Front leg room on the other hand decreased by from 42.5 inches in 2021 to 41.2 inches in 2022. For me and my below 6' family this means nothing but you are correct Toyota slightly shrank the 2022. Just ordered the Platinum last week. I have a 21 Silverado High Country with the pretty chrome front tow hooks...never used them so again that Toyota deletion does not make of break the deal for me. I'm more concerned that I may be disappointed in going from the 6.2 Chevy to the V6? Great video I wish I would have watched it before ordering mine. If I'm not happy with it I'll unload it while the used car prices are through the roof.
I rented a 2022 Trd pro, and they come off the lot here around 94k. It was a disappointment, biggest safety issue with me was the horrible throttle response truck barely moved when I pressed the gas merging into traffic it was scary. Push to start sucks and takes an extra 10 seconds for no reason could just turn a key. Auto high beams half the time don’t work and blind everyone at night, lane assist pushes you into the other lane over correction, and the steering radius is embarrassing… and I had two tundras before and loved them..
I'm only 5'8" and the grab handle was so freaking tight for my hands that the salesperson told me to just use the steering wheel to pull myself in because and I quote, "who even uses the grab handle" The power bed-step should've been standard in limited but instead it's not even available in limited. It's only available in platinum (not standard). Also they told me that if you want a/c power you gotta get the panoramic sunroof.
I just ordered after driving. 22 tundra sr 4x4 $41,839 plus tax, tag and fees. Awesome vehicle. Many of the critics are just opinions. Buy what you like. The mpg are way better. Toyota longevity is still unbelievable compared to all other models.
Great points. I don't like the worst break over and approach and departure angles. You have to spec SR5 to get 18 inch wheels. Tail gate remote sucks for me sometimes I want a locked truck with a unlocked tailgate. I don't like the feeling of a button for the tailgate. Rear shock are venerable to getting hit more than old gen.
I've made my fair share of videos on the issues with this truck. I agree with you 100%. I don't care what anyone says, the cabin is way smaller. People want to argue about it based on numbers, but go sit in the back seat. It lost a ton of room.
Was seriously considering the new Tundra, but had some growing suspicions and observations about it's operations and backward changes. Thanks for the video. Will look elsewhere. Hopefully they can address those issues, cause I really do like Toyota.
Most of the issues he showed will be difficult to address without a complete redesign. The rear bumper issue is probably the easiest to address, and that will probably take a refresh (2-3 yrs) if even. I'm not sure about the tow hooks or lack thereof since the air dam is in the way.
I never buy brand-new designs because you are guaranteed to have to deal with some little defects and recalls. But if you have to get a 2022, I would recommend waiting for a bit and getting the TRD Pro Hybrid.
I have a Toyota Tundra 2022 and I am happy with my truck .much better quality than Ram 1500 Ram 1500 was my worst experience in having a truck in the past
Solid points. Had the opportunity to test drive a 22 Tundra last week, besides cabin interior improvements and MPG, it seemed like a step back as far as utility. Ended up with a 🐏
I had godd experience with one of the very first 2012 Ram Limiteds. Kept in for 6 years and 130k miles. No real mechanical issues. Had perpetual brake squeek, and a leaky sunroof in heavy rains that drove me nuts. But drove great when I traded it in on the Tundra in 2018. Really had a little buyer's remorse on the way home, missed the Ram for a few days, but really appreciated the Tundra after a while.
All I can say is good luck. I'm not going to buy another Ram anytime soon. 2017 Ram 1500 Sport: 4 transmission repairs 3 manifold blow outs, yes the 5th gen still has that going on. I'm also waiting for the Cam roller failure the 5.7L suffered from. 2 backup cameras 1 driverside mirror 1 front passenger window motor 1 map light, they had to replace the whole part, not just the bulb. 1 RF hub 2013 Ram 1500 Laramie: Air ride leaks, I would never recommend an airride suspension in a Ram Truck. 4 air compressors for the air ride 1 new engine due to roller failure 2 Transmission repairs 1 Passenger side mirror 2 RF Hub 1 Coil pack failure over cylinder 7 on the brand new engine at 52,000 mi, that was a fun drive to the dealership. That's why I'm buying a Ford with the 2.7L
I sold my 2018 GMC Sierra for more money than I payed for it. I think Toyota just about nailed it. I’ve heard about all the down gradings, but that won’t make me change my mind at all on purchasing the Tundra.
I know someone at work who bought one of these , not seen him driving lately, Yes the Dealership is waiting for Parts to Change both Turbos, they gave him a 2018 Camry Loaner vehicle, The Truck Lost power on the way to Lake Tahoe, Not a Happy Camper, He is thinking about Lemon Law now
I just rented a 22 tundra sr5 when I was traveling. Pretty decent truck. It felt like a bigger Tacoma. The no steps into the bed was pretty annoying. That one is a head scratcher for me. How do you design a truck without something like that. Amazing how that passed the design stage.
All good points. We were looking at the new 22 Tundra but were disappointed with the payload capacity. We had owned (3) previous model year tundras and really liked the size and relatability. We bumped up to a 1 ton diesel for a tow vehicle and do not have to be concerned about cargo capacity. You made solid points on what Toyota did to cheapen the build on new Tundra. The engineers had (5) years to get it right and sadly missed it by a long country mile. Wishing it was different, but we said good bye to Toyota.
RON 91, which is research octane number. In the US and Canada the pumps report the motor octane number. 87 MON is 91 RON. Premium fuel is not required.
@@kedrevs4037 you’re really bringing some serious considerations to light for us- thank you for that. Many reviewers are only showing the new tech etc but a solid comparison, like yours, is needed and very appreciated
I totally disagree with your assessment. I have owned both (2018 SRA W/TRD OFF Road Package) and just got my new 22 Tundra Limited W/TRD Off Road. My New tundra has just as much head room as the previous generation. Also you are wrong on the Head Room of other trucks. (Ram front 40.9 rear 39.8 GMC front 43.0 rear 40.8). My 6'4 boss got into my new tundra with the Panoramic Sunroof and had no problems. He also owns a 2021 tundra and he says the exact same thing as I did. With the new version you can get a 6.5 Ft bed on a crew max which wasn't available on previous generation. I do agree about the step on the tailgate. Also the turning radius is way better on the new tundra. You would know this if you have driven both on a daily basis instead of going off numbers put down on a sheet of paper. You shouldn't expect a dealership to tell you everything and if you are doing your research then you will be comfortable spending 60k on a truck with certain capabilities like I did when I purchased mine.
@@kedrevs4037 not at all. I used to work for a Toyota dealership and they make the best product in the world. Please tell me what facts I have wrong. Do you own a 22 Tundra? Because I do and I have gone through this truck with a fine tooth comb and it's a thousand times better than the previous generations
turning radius on paper should be more factual than your "feeling" of it. Either way a small change in turning radius is only going to hurt truly poor drivers, nothing wrong with a k turn or three
I'm with you you took the words out of my mouth!!! 2020 Tundra owner, and two 4runners 4th and 5th generations all bought new fully loaded 4x4's and I wish I ordered two Tundras instead of one before the chip shortage. Keeping them forever nothing like a 5.7 V-8 4x4 Tundra. Very roomy and comfortable!!!
I recently sold my 2018 Tundra and bought the New 2022 Tundra Limited. The complaints mentioned in this video for the most part is someone making a mountain out of a ant hill. Yes Toyota should have left the rear number with a place to step on and also tow hooks. There are So Many more positives to this new truck than the few small negatives. This is a Great truck!!! Stop the whining.
Your list depends on what the purchaser is using the truck for. Notwithstanding your findings. Certainly, great information. The Tundra comes in 3 bed sizes. Head room is an issue if you are hauling a couple of NBA players to the game. Toyota makes an accessory for a rear bumper step. Agreed there is a turning radius issue. It's a big truck with a big ass. I am not going to park into a compact stall at the grocery store. Rear axle lbs difference: You might have something there, but again it depends on what the purchaser is using the truck for. 2023 rear seat has storage. IMO you make a good point on the fuel used. I might have see if there is a difference. thank you for posting.
I was really looking forward to this redesign, but the Tundra has come off my shopping list. You actually missed one of the biggest missteps which is Toyota's move to subscription based connected services. This means you have to pay a fee to be able to use remote start and a bunch of other features of the truck. I think Toyota has lost me for good. I will give the refreshed 2022 Chevy Silverado 3.0 diesel a close look. It's the only full size truck I would consider buying at this point because of its excellent capability and fuel economy.
@@michaelgriffith2762 I could give a sh*t about the remote start, really. That's not the big issue with the new Tundra....there are many. The 'connected services' infotainment is nothing more than glorified spyware. The truck doesn't even have tow hooks. Thanks to the stupid rear bumper design, there is no integrated step to access the bed when tailgate is down...you have to buy a $500 accessory step. You can't special order a Tundra (or any Toyota) the way you want it, your only option is to buy a dealer spec truck with a bunch of overpriced accessories... and the list goes on and on. Fck Toyota. I'm done with them.
@@michaelgriffith2762 The dealer can choose to use one of their allocations to order your desired spec, but they don't have to and most of them won't...unless you add some accessories to sweeten the deal for them. In my experience, Toyota and their dealers are the absolute worst to deal with. I have special ordered over a dozen vehicles over the years from various brands exactly the way I wanted them with a small deposit and no questions asked, but Toyota simply doesn't operate that way.
Was planning on purchasing a Tundra this May. After looking at all the changes in 22 , if I do buy I'll be looking into a pre-owned 21 model. A couple changes I can live with but twin turbos, 3 radiators , new Trans, on and on. Will be interesting to see which new components will last and which ones flop
I've seen other reviews and they mention the subscription-based functionality of the software... I hate that.. really, if you're buying the vehicle, _everything_ should be there 100% 24/7, nothing of that subscription model crap.
Finally had a chance to test drive the 2022 yesterday, huge disappointment compared to my 2020 pro. The cab is definitely smaller the seats are uncomfortable, the view out the windshield has been reduced. This new truck is a grocery getter only. I was never so happy to get back in my pro.
I have a 2020 Trd Pro & it’s the complete opposite! Effortless power and tons of upgrades! 3” lift with 35” tires is looking real appealing especially trade in price 😳
My dad is looking for a second truck for his company. His 2020 Tundra has been flawless so far. But this 2022 looks like a disappointment from all directions. Will be looking at a Nissan Titan or a diesel/hemi-V8 Ram 1500 instead. Thank you for the video.
Bought 5 new Tundras and drove Tundras for over a decade. I bought an AT4 Sierra with the 6.2 in late 2020 because Toyota pushed back the refresh again. This new model is a huge disappointment. The big screen is trying to distract from the shortcomings. You are better off buying a Ford EcoBoost if you want the 3.5 TT.
@@edgarmartinez1512 I do. I do not think it will be as reliable as a 2021 and earlier Tundra, but it has far more power, gets better mileage, and is nicer inside.
@@cstgx Right there with you. The GMC is so much nicer. I get an extended warranty on everything so I'm not worried. Love the GMC. I feel like I'm no longer stuck in the 80s.
My 2018 Tundra is boring, but it hasn’t had one single issue at all in 40,000 miles, not one. I actually complain that it need a tail gator step like that of a ford, so this 2022 will totally suck for me. I’m a hunting outfitter so you can just imagine how often I have to get into and out of the bed, I can’t just jump out with these old rebuilt knees. I did buy a slider, it helped a lot, but it did cut down on the amount of cargo I can take. Even my 2018 step bumper is far too dangerous when wet and forget about it if it’s icy. I feel they missed the mark.
Glad I decided not to wait and went ahead with a " late in the year 2021" Tundra build. Maybe after ALL the bugs worked out (few years) I'd consider, but am happy with my 2021 limited TRD Offroad Package 4x4.
All these CZcams Channel reviews fail to mention Toyota has merged Lancruser/ Tundra platforms. Toyota isn't trying to be like the big 3 American companies thank God. Toyota is the only manufacture that modestly rates payload/towing.
Perhaps you haven't realized the average Tundra consumer wants a truck with all the amenities of an SUV... For those of us that are Landcruiser enthusiasts though... 🔥
Tow ratings are recommendations, In 2007 when the Tundra came out with its tow ratings a certain manufacturer 3 months later revamped theirs to make it better than the Tundra without changing anything mechanically on their truck.In 2011 Toyota started to follow the J2807 Towing rating scale which the big 3 wrote. The funny thing is the big 3 didnt start following the J2807 ratings until 2018 .Manufacturers can set their tow ratings to whatever they want.The Tundra could easily tow 12,000lbs or more on their previous generation Tundra. The only thing that kept them doing that was a 5 bolt hub pattern.
My general feel from this video is that these points are somewhat picky criticisms that look more valid on paper than they do in practice. I say that objectively- no underlying negativity there (as internet comments may often read). As a guy that is 6'3 I can tell you that the headroom in one of these seems fine- I think it just means the seat wasn't properly adjusted. Stepping on the side of your tire to get into the bed, I mean I think that's what a lot of guys do for trucks to begin with, especially when you're strapping things down on either side that you can't climb over. Even when I had side steps on my last pickup, I never used them. They get sticky over time and can be a pain to pull out and stepping on your tire is quicker. I don't know what you mean about scratching up the side of you truck while doing so- I mean if you're complacent, sure... but I don't think that's a real issue. I do think that the Tundra has too few tiedown locations and the ones they have look pretty cheap. The F150 can have a shorter turn radius than the prev. gen Tundra, so I think that might be an inequivalent build comparison there. I've driven supercrews with the 6' bed for 10 years in and out of Philadelphia and I've never once been in a situation where I couldn't back into a parking space. I'm not sure what unlikely scenario you're referencing about being needing to nose it in anywhere. I didn't realize, and totally agree, that not having a fold flat storage under the back seats is a big miss on Toyota's behalf. That said, I don't think it's a dealbreaker for the overwhelming majority of people. It's a slight inconvenience at best for a one off scenario where you didn't want to use your bed (or tonneau cover) to transport something large enough to need the full floor of the back seat. The '22 Tundra is 1 inch smaller in the front for legroom and .7 smaller in the rear, which is a valid decrease to raise. Personally I still think it's so huge inside these trucks regardless; they're effectively full size SUVs in the front and back seats. The performance difference between 87 and 91 octane on one of this exists in people's minds only- that's the truth. The Tundra is a great pickup, but it's always been more of a follower rather than an innovator since Toyota only sells them in the US.
Appreciate your thoughts ans a lot have accused me of only addressing my needs in these videos. Of course it comes from my point of view, but. I always try to imagine others. Apparently you've never parked at New Orleans during Mardi Gras, or in a deck or college campus that requires you to park front end in so your license plate can be scanned. It is real I assure you.
This is a really good video. The increased turning radius was one big factor in me getting my deposit back. Even though we love the old tundra Axles, the ratings on the new ones are still pretty competitive ballpark wise with others, but the payload is still nothing to write home about
That's definitely worse than I get in my 5.7 Tundra. I get 15 town 17-20 highway. The increase in price from last year's model is going to negate your savings at the pump. By the time you break even the unknown reliability will become a factor.
They killed an iconic vehicle in the name of CAFE standards..my 15 is ready for replacement...sadly as a very long time Toyota Tundra owner the 22 will not be my next new truck. The major 3 are way ahead of this turd.. Christ, even Nissan is looking good. Thanks for this.
Under powered V6 engine, that needs twin turbos to get enough power….. a lot of buyers will have trouble with their lack of religious oil changes…re: turbo killer
was planning to buy the new Toyota tundra, but I just traded for a gmc sierra denali 6.2 now I'm getting more mpg and definitely feel the extra power of the 6.2 10 spd.
Toyota flopped with this truck. Co worker bought one and he is very unhappy, mostly with the transmission shifting terrible. Dealer said their was nothing they could do. And the rear window leaks. He is going to try to trade it on a Chevy or Ford.
None of this will affect Toyota fanboys. They’re up there with Subaru folks. Diehard no matter what. Toyota makes great vehicles but they’re a bit overrated imo.
Agree 100% after reading all the hype on tundras i bought a new 2019, its an "ok" truck, not sure why people and toyota salesman act like they are made of gold
I'll stick with my 2001 Tundra. I'm not a fan at all of these twin turbo smaller V6s there definitely going to be problems down the road as the miles and years build up. Why there's no option for a V8 is baffling. Oh, let's not even get into the looks of this truck it's hideous, that grill is horrible. The comment about backing into your driveway is true unless you live in the city and there's only street parking. backing in makes your exit much easier and safer as well as in my opinion shows forward thinking and not complacency. I drive a fire truck for a living and everything gets backed into it's spot, ready to go. Keep up the great reviews, I'm now a subscriber. 👍
As a long time Toyota owner for both business and personal (going back to the early 80s), I have to unfortunately AGREE with ALL your points and would add another from my son, who worked as a mechanic for our local Toyota dealership up until last November, and that is they shrank the brakes considerably as the previous gen brakes were more comparable to 3/4 ton brakes, but not now. Honestly, I do not know what Toyota was thinking here. Yes the mileage for the 2nd gen was poor, but that is not why I bought a truck (I ride my bike around town for errands and use the truck when I need a truck). In fact, one of the reason the 2nd gen got poor mileage was the rear end was 4.3 which provide more pulling power than many 3/4 tons, but at the cost of lower mpg. The new Tundra has gone backwards here too IMHO as the rear end is less capable. I will also add that the rear seat leg room is a real shocker, considering my T100 had much better leg room. I like/need the longer bed, so the crew cab is a no starter for me, but this new back seat leg room rules out the new double cab. As for Toyota in general, we just bought a newer vehicle for my wife, but past over shopping Toyota just because our local Toyota dealership has gone downhill since they were bought out a few years ago. They now stress quantity over quality in their service department and the service manager and general manager are "real pieces of work" IMO, which in part why my son left, even though his dream was to work for Toyota The next closest dealership is 28 miles away, so while I may still someday purchase another Toyota if only for the reliability I have achieved over the years, it is much less likely now. Sad because I've had some really great trucks in particular a 1986 Toyota 1 ton (small truck) and a 1996 T-100 which was the forerunner of the Tundra, with basically the same amount of room inside as my 2nd generation Tundra (not the towing capacity though, but at the time I was using a Ford 350 that was quite unreliable and often less capable than my current Tundra).
excellent information!! .. glad i saw this!.. i love my 2010 , very sad to see this, i was going to buy a new one . After seeing these steps backwards, with what I would consider very big design flaws, I've absolutely changed my mind!! Why in gods name did they do such a shit job in it's redesign!! Mine has been an absolute JOY to own, with rock solid reliability! haven't even needed to replace a bulb , still using the original serpentine belt! 125,000 miles. Breaks my heart... guess I'm just gonna keep mine and drive it till the wheels fall off!
They had a good reliable truck that was a fuel hog. Some weight reduction, direct injection, and a 10 speed would have been enough to keep consumers buying.
Direct injection sucks
@@gregkeller80 ok dual injection then.
@@gregkeller80 Can you elaborate why it sucks? Its a standard for any cars nowadays
@@getexposedlmao Carbon builds up on the valves and requires the 'heads' to be removed to clean. Just another maintenance nightmare - as they created a solution to a problem that did not exist. Multi port fuel injection works - direct is non stop problems.
1st gen tundra just can't be beat. 285k and drives amazing
I have the 2022 SR5 it's one awesome truck. I use regular fuel and it moves as fast as I want it to go. I gave my son my 2017 Tundra TRD4X4 it too is a great truck but loved gasoline, only issue with that truck. My 2022 rides so much better than the 2017, with that said the 2017 was built for off road my 2022 isn't it is a 4x4. It just seemed to me you were looking for issues that make little to no difference. The 2022 doesn't get Primus gas numbers, but it gets far better than the 2017. Just my thoughts, have a great week ahead.
I love my new tundra so far. Everything seems to be small issues everyone's talking about.
I agree...
I have a 2022 SR5 2x2 Crewmax. The only issue you describe here that could be something you could claim you didn't realize or know after a walk around and a test drive is the power using lower octane fuel. I get more power than I need from my engine on 87 octane gas. It might be better with higher octane but I don't need higher performance than I'm getting and one of the big pluses to me is the fact that I get an average of 21 MPG in this truck around town which saves me money on gas. I don't want to lose that advantage by paying the higher price for higher octane if I don't need it. All the other "issues" you describe would be obvious when you walk around the truck and take it for a test drive. So if they are issues for you, obviously, it's not the truck for you! But I love mine!
Glad to hear it works for you.
I have the 2023 tundra sx px double cab. I love it. yeah the mpg is a bummer but overall it’s working great. Pulls fine. it’s a truck, I don’t have a problem climbing up into the bed just like all my older trucks.
Hope it keeps serving you well.
Keep up the honest reviews and that way folks deciding on whether to get the new ‘22 or not will have some things to consider…
Luckily for me its: Long live my Gen2 and the V8!!
Hear you brother.
I’ll pass on the direction injection, but a 3.5L diesel engine would have been great for me.
My biggest problem with the new Tundra is I don't have one in my garage 🤨😁
That with the turning radius is really mind-boggling. TNGA-F is a global platform meaning it needs to perform in places with tiny roads. That was a massive oversight by Toyota.
Best comment. The TNGA platform that Toyota uses reduced space across the board because of the global necessity that Toyota used.
Yea I own a 22 Tundra and I think a lot of this is preference. When I bought my tundra I’m 6’1 with the seat raised a bit and have enough headroom to where it’s a non factor. The turning radius sucks because of the new platform they designed on the truck. The 3 inches of the bumper sticking out is a non factor when you could get a bed step for like 70 bucks. I thought you were gonna talk about things that a lot of people use in their daily life. Plus let’s be real a majority of people spending 60k+ on their truck isn’t going to take in the woods, or work out of it either. They are going to be daily driven family style trucks. The new trucks are above and beyond the previous in all aspects aside from the nitpicks you listed in the video. I never would’ve bought a tundra if it didn’t have the amount of features and equipment the new ones have. Amazing JBL system, heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheel, pano roof, 14 in screen, wireless car play. All amazing features.
Very good. Problem is my ‘18 has all those things and better seats. Just took an aftermarket head-unit.
I've had my 2022 tundra for 2 months and it is amazing truck. I love it and would recommend to anyone.
Appreciate the comment, but I wonder how the guys with turbo issues would interpret that.
@@kedrevs4037 overall it sounds like an extremely small percentage of trucks that are doing it and they're getting fixed quickly as well.
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I don't think we know how many, and have not heard of any being fixed yet.
@@kedrevs4037 was watching a video about it and the youtuber was reaching out directly to toyota and that's what he was saying.
It’s taking people 4-8 weeks to get it fixed not that quick IMO lol
The reason i got the 20 Tundra...i want nothing to do with turbos. I love the V8 and it isn't as bad on fuel as so many claim. I love the box size on the 20 compared to my Tacoma. The lack of a step into the box is hardly a problem...you can get a step that goes into the hitch or i also have a 3 step ladder 🪜 in my box.
I'm with ya on that 5.7 ltr motor and honestly I don't expect great gas milage from a v8 I expect it to be a bit noisy and pull all my toys.
@@jessehenry3751 Is why I got it...tow our RV. Tacoma was working hard towing. Tundra is no slouch.
People who complain about fuel mileage on a truck should have bought a Prius instead
I am a huge fan of Toyota. I’ve owned a 4RUNNER, LandCruiser and a Tundra. I was waiting for the new Tundra to come out but after looking at it I’m actually thinking of going to a different brand. Never thought I would ever buy a truck that wasn’t a Toyota.
Hopefully Toyota gets some of the messaging and has left themselves some room to make improvements.
Go to Ram.
Michael to even go to another brand is a bad idea. I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the new 2022 Tundra Limited. As an owner for three weeks I can tell you that the small things mentioned in this video is none existent once you drive the truck. It’s amazing! Yes I know the rear bumper should have been designed better and they should have put tow hooks but to switch to Ford , Chevy or Dodge is a Huge mistake. I’ve owned them all and they are garbage. Yes Chevy has a cool tailgate and Ford and Dodge have some cool gadgets but the price you pay for a truck now a days it better be reliable and hold its value. The big three haven’t figured that out yet.
@@100868ful this guys a hater. He dedicates his whole life to bashing the new truck just so he can feel good about his 2nd gen.
@@Bosha92 ONLY an HD Ram. Avoid the 1500 series rams. The 2500 power wagon is phenomenal
Absolutely love my 2018 1794 edition. All the things he’s saying about the 2022 versus the previous generations is absolutely the truth. Toyota should not have been pressured to make it “better”. The old adage goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
The poor payload and less interior room killed it for me! I guess I’ll drive my 18 to the graveyard!
That’s My Plan as well!!
But,I’ve Barely Broken Mine in,with Only 15.5 K Miles!
I saw it coming a mile away
No tow hooks
No way to step into bed tailgate down
Beds smaller
V6 with shit fuel economy when I’d have been ok with a 10 speed v8
Interior got smaller
Tech is bad
Seating didn’t get better or more comfortable
Cost is outrageous
Bad turning radius
I got a 2nd year 21 Titan pro4x and love it and didn’t even pay50k
I have only owned Toyota since 1993. I couldn't agree with you more. Mpg is horrible
I specifically bought a new Tundra in 2021 to avoid the new generation. The gas mileage is horrible. But I'm more than happy to deal with that in lieu of dealing with all the issues that has come with the new generation.. it strikes me as odd that the new Tundras went from impossible to get, to seeing 22s already on the lot selling as used... who makes a 4 wheel drive pickup without front tow hooks? 🤯
Very well said.
I bought a 2021 also. Traded a 2016 for it. One thing that i noticed right away was the tail gate is much lighter than the 2016. I'm guessing that they used much lighter gauge metal on the 2021. I am seeing 2-3 highway mpg improvement 21 vs. 16 so it seems that they used lighter materials for the entire vehicle. I would like to have the cabin upgrades that the 3rd gen offers but the V8 reliability is more important to me. I'm really glad that I got one of the last 2nd gens.
It's as though the '07 to '21 Tundra was built with an entirely different mission protocol. Sure, they're both pick up trucks, but our Tundras were stout, streamlined, and stronger than they needed to be. This new truck is like a tofu burger. It's answering questions no one is asking, and losing it's core values. It also looks like 2 pallets of building materials dropped off in a parking lot.
Man, that says it perfectly. I like "new and improved". Problem is the new Tundra is just new.
@@kedrevs4037 When the 2007 models were introduced they showed the Tundra working on West Texas Ranches pulling Gooseneck trailers full of cattle. On Construction sites pulling trailers with Machinery, Working in Mines and quarries. This 2022 model is aimed at the beach crowd who haul their surfboard to the beach or the person who uses it to commute to the city from their affluent home in the suburbs. TOTAL FAILURE by Toyota on this Hot mess 2022 model
The truck market has changed a lot since 2007, and they think they are catering to Truck buyers with the new redesign. They forgot that people buy Tundras because it is a reliable dinosaur that was still relatively cheaper than the competition. A top trim platinum/trdpro 2021 Tundra is about $54k, which is like a mid-level Ram Laramie/F150 XLT. This truck is 3-4 yrs late, and removed features that made it special, like a big 38-gal fuel tank, large 4.30 rear axle, excellent turn radius, bulletproof drivetrain, and looks that was mean, but modest.
Toyota assumes that Truck buyers are similar to regular car/suv buyers. They are successful in those markets because the buyers see the vehicle mostly as transportation and luxury is a bonus, but most Truck buyers see their vehicle as a mobile functional tool
@@fongvang935 impressive comment!
Agreed.
It's almost as if Toyota is sending a subliminal message that they are looking to get out of the truck business all together...
I work for a Toyota dealership, have driven the new version and in my mind it's a big FAIL.
Have had the 2022 tundra trd off road crew max for 1 week now. It’s the best truck I have owned and best Toyota vehicle to date. I have had multiple Tacoma’s, 2016 tundra, 2020 4runner. Just wait until you test drive one! I am blown away.
It's only been out a month and lots of haters which is expected. No one mentions the Silverado being the number 1 least reliable truck for 2021.
I have had my 2022 Tundra Limited crew max for 3 weeks and I love it too! Traded in my 2020 Ford F150. The order wait time was totally worth it, this '22 Tundra is by far the best one (for me).
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I’m glad you’re making these videos. I wish TFL and the other big channels would mention these things. I canceled my plans to get one when I saw how horrible this new design was. Toyota really screwed the pooch on this one.
Maybe they'll make some improvements in the update.
I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the 2022 Tundra Limited a few weeks ago.
This is a Great truck. The complaints in this video are minor. Yes not having tow hooks and a place to step on the bumper wasn’t the smartest idea but this is all around a great truck and Far better than a Ford, Dodge or Chevy. Maybe Toyota missed it on a few gadgets but this truck rides amazing, turns just as good as the previous Tundra that I owned and the interior is extremely comfortable and spacious still. Toyotas reliability and resale value is untouchable plus this is a great looking truck with So many more positives than negatives. People need to stop complaining about the small stuff and recognize a great vehicle.
@@100868ful You sound like a salesman. I'm glad you like your truck, but that doesn't change reality. The 2022 is more expensive and has went backwards in many ways compared to the previous generation.
@@100868ful only time will tell about reliability on this one, we all know how made in America truck holds its build quality.
Paper specs what sell this 2022.
You guys sound like a bunch of women complaining about their purse pockets. When the first gen T100 came out, great truck but just not for everybody. You spoiled folks can never be satisfied. "I want everything I had and tons more." So typical. I'm still embracing the new powertrain and functional design for it. Ask Ford, they can never satisfy their customers completely either. If toyota still gives you QDR, and that's good for today's time, plus unmatched resale value, plus fuel economy matched with their competitors, then I think their short falls are as bad as others. Remember, they make incremental changes over time to make their trucks better. And they've always been behind the big three cosmetically and functionality, but hold their own. I can excuse their short comings like ford customers do. I'm sure they are aware what people think and like the T100, I don't believe they are trying to steal the truck market but give you a tool you can depend on.
You hit the nail on the head. I’m a Toyota guy, own a 2016 Avalon and 1980 FJ40. I was seriously considering a new Tundra as a tow vehicle for my 40 but I’m disappointed in the Tundra due to a car-like payload rating, lack of flat floor in the back, no bed access, no tow hooks, no V8, and interesting styling decisions. The Tundra might reach its tow capacity without exceeding its payload with a 120lb driver, no cargo, and a bed full of helium. I just ordered a new F250 Tremor with the 7.3L V8. Similar price point and three times the capability. My money went to Ford this time.
Love that Tremor setup.
You are gonna love the 22’ tremor
Two guys have the 7.3 in the Tremor package at work. Some Nitto Ridge Grapplers and that is a hell of a truck. Bet that 7.3 lasts a long, long time too.
I worked as a tech for Toyota since 1981, on and off to the tune of 32 years total time with them as a master tech. I retired March 2021. I special ordered a new F-150, extra cab, 5.0 in 2018. Ordered the 3.31 rear for mileage, it's got 10 speeds anyways... I have squeaked near 27 mpg's on the highway out of it. Average with normal driving, mostly highway is 20-22. 16-18 around town driving easy. And yes as low as 12 around town putting your foot in it all the time. BUT, overall I love it an at 4 years later am still delighted with my choice of the truck for my needs. I had an 04 F-250 with the 6.0 diesel before it. Never had an issue with it either! YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE YOUR NEW FORD!!!
I hope your SD treats you better than mine. I traded my 17 tundra in on one last year. Power steering leaked at 400 and again around 2000 miles when they finally replaced the pump. Needless to say I traded it in for a 21 tundra before I couldn't get one. I loved that truck though and never would have ditched it if I didn't have any of the aforementioned issues.
Thanks for the video. Yea the dealership will never tell you anything negative, just everything you want to hear. Im happy with my 18 tundra. I will keep it forever and in the future 2-3 years maybe I'll then consider another Tundra and give my 18 one to my Son.
You keep breaking my heart on a new Tundra! But I appreciate these comparisons showing these differences how Toyota went backwards in so many ways! Good videos!
Depends on what your needs are. The 2nd Gen has served me great, wish Toyota had built on it's capability. Improved MPGs might suit some, but there are too many compromises for my needs.
@@kedrevs4037 Great points. The lack of step on the tailgate leaves me scratching my head. Overall the new gen meets my needs moreso than my 18. Great fuel economy, more power, higher payload, greater towing and a truck that blows the 2nd gen away in the driveability dept. Always a few issues with a new gen tho. Worth a test drive imo.
Your heart is going to shatter when you see what Toyota does to the 4Runner next year. I've been hearing rumors of a 4-cylinder turbo.
I agree the rear bumper set up is odd. Everyone is integrating steps and Toyota decided to delete them? I also needs recovery hooks for the way I use my truck. I’m going to hold off and see if Toyota can figure this stuff out by ‘23 or ‘24. It’s time for a refresh already. 🤔
I can't travel off grid and camp in places I like to go without recovery hooks, it can make a relatively small predicament become a catastrophe.
I’m sure they will be making aftermarket recovery hooks
@@joseperezpaz9986 No chance. The frame horns are too recessed with that large overhung front fascia. It will be nearly impossible.
@@rebelcitysports1outlook747 was thinking aftermarket bumpers with recovery hooks
@@joseperezpaz9986 I'm not saying it's impossible but it will be a difficult feat, especially the front bumper. If anyone had a solution, I would think it would be Toyota through their TRD division, bcuz the absence of front recovery hooks on the 2022 Tundra is costing Toyota a lot of sales. People in snowy climates need both front and rear recovery points.
I’m a Toyota fan and owner.
So disappointed with the new tundra. The engineers were smoking crack when designing this one.
They copied all the other brands with cheapish styling and materials..it looks very similar to my pos Sierra. Same body panels and build quality..my new Sierra is the worst truck I've ever owned..these companies should be sued for poor quality products. Forget about all modern pickups, they are playing games right now. Go with a Tacoma or older model tundra..that's your only bet anymore. Maybe a f250 or ram25000 . The whole car market right now is collapsing
@@nocturnalme3549 I wouldn’t buy a car/truck right now but I lost an engine - need a vehicle asap. Trying to score something and then maybe trade in a year from now. The economy is in recession and I can see it collapsing end of year. Good for buyers. As you said, everything seems to be lacking in quality.
87 Octane per the owner’s manual page 547 btw. Most people have this mistaken belief turbo engines require premium fuel. Ford EcoBoost engines get the same comments.
I’ve owned both and the 2022 is better than the 5.7L off the line. It doesn’t sound like it is which I think it causing the confusion.
The bed size is an interesting thought. I’ll have to do a direct comparison with a tape measure.
And Tim, if you add the added functionality that the new Tundra has in the bed, (Multiple cutouts for 2x6, Bed Lighing, Composite material, 400 watt plug) I still think that it is a much better bed and offers more utility than the previous generation. I don't like the decrease in space/size but I'll get over it I think.
@@SSMedic certainly it is a more useful bed than the prior gen. It does slope which I only started to notice after people started talking about it. Interestingly, I found I liked the slope after a recent snow fall. It kept the snow from building up in the corners and is helping it melt faster.
Tim thanks for the update, and I respect your input. But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things. That inconsistency is bothersome. Until someone dynos it, we won't really know.
@@Pickuptrucktalk And Tim to save you some time in the cold Nebraska winter, Toyota list the 2nd gen crewmax bed as 66.7"L x66.4" W and I just measured my depth at 23.75" with the spray in liner. Toyota lists the 2022 shortbed crewmax at 65.6"lx 58.7'W x 20.9"H
@@kedrevs4037 "But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things." I don't think these are different things. Whatever the manufacturer of any brand publishes HP and torque numbers, they base that on the recommended fuel used. For example, Nissan has best in class HP and torque WITH premium fuel and they denote that. The email you got was interesting for sure.
despite the shortcomings you mentioned here, I place a very high value on reliability and safety when I buy a truck. I would still buy this truck all day long over the competition, hands down. The composite bed is such an improvement over a steel bed.
perhaps you should check out some of the posts on fit and finish problems, not to mention the turbo wastegate
Let us know how that turbo holds up for you.
I’ll chip in here I owned a 23 iforce max. I bought it thinking I was getting a reliable truck. It was not. it completely shut down on me at a stop light and not just because it’s a hybrid I mean it shut down like no gauges no lights nothing. It knocked itself out of gear backing out of a parking spot and let me tell you about the rattles omg the rattles. It was the fastest I’ve ever traded a vehicle in with the only good thing I can say being the resale value was decent. I personally went back to ram and will never buy Toyota again. Weird times we live in where a dodge is a higher quality vehicle than Toyota.
It is just mind boggling how Toyota could screw this up this bad after years of hype and anticipation. I have told many people about how great my turning radius is on my 2020, to think that even this is now gone is unbelievable, no tow hooks, marginally better mileage Ugly as hell looks, I am sorry this is a hard NO for me. Love your videos.
You don't buy a truck for it's turning radius. If you don't like the truck buy the competition instead of nitpicking.
@@rolandtariche4602
Turning radius is the Main reason I bought the 2021 tundra (that and the rear window roll down).
When your a property manager in a city, turning radius is important
Except for the Camry everything they make has an ugly front. Too many Japanese making the decisions on styling. They want the front to look like Japanese Anime.
We just came out of a pandemic and parts are still in short supply, so are decent engineers worth their weight in gold. Everyone should stop buying anything, car or truck, until these issues can be resolved and things come back to normal, if you go to a supermarket you notice how crappy everything is being packaged? I've seen cereal boxes with the cardboard tabs glued on crooked, not by a little bit, and on a number of kinds of packaging. There's a rush to put out products in the face of high demand and low workers, car manufacturers are no different, all businesses have to make a profit, if they can't put out product they'll have to shut down.
This is the "New Coke" of trucks, for any of you that were around when that took place. Coca-Cola changed the formula back due to CONSUMER Feedback (good for them BTW).
Great Analogy. I hope that means Toyota has plans to bring back the 5.7 in 10 months....do like a 3.92 10 speed with a hybridization.
The tundra is probably what it is for its customer base, a commuter truck. I used to have a 2014 limited and never once had to use 4lo ever, needed a locking rear diff, crawl mode, front tow hooks, max out towing or payload. It just got me to the office 5 days a week and tow a boat on some weekends, haul some construction materials from Menards, etc. We traded it for a new 2016 Sequoia platinum as we added another baby to our family. So I drove a Honda Accord to work. There’s a part of me that still misses my truck so I’ve been intrigued by what people are seeing in the third gen. and we’ll see, might spring for the new tundra after a test drive, and if it’s not a good fit, I’ll likely get a sport sedan like a Lexus IS500 to daily.
@@refineme if it suits your needs that is fine, doesn't make it more capable,
@@kedrevs4037 right, it’s definitely not as capable if you’re doing weekend rock crawling, off roading, towing skid loaders and farm equipment around, etc. I’d go HD and diesel for towing. Guys are now reporting huge wastegate problems with the turbos in the new tundras that require the cab be removed just to fix it. Dangers of buying first production run. I personally dislike the idea of putting a Turbo gas in a truck, I really like a dependable V8 and wish they kept it as an option, with an 8 or 10 speed and get rid of the 4:30 gears, total overkill for a commuter truck that hurts gas mileage. Here’s a video just posted regarding the wastegate issues. czcams.com/video/wC5QMExIPNI/video.html
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I was around for that one
The biggest concern I have with the 2cd gen tundra is it’s fuel consumption. it seems like the new tundra geared more towards leisure driving than a working truck.
If you want a working truck get a ford. Toyota had the luxury of not developing anything new for reliability. The moment they try something new, well. Its just ugly and sucks and seems like the enlarged some corolla/camry features for a truck interior
@@fsb_-bf3th I'm a Toyota guy, but my next door neighbor just got a new F-250 Tremor, and it's amazing.
@@zzanatos2001 yup, they might not be super reliable like toyotas are but there's also a reason why Toyota doesn't have the payload or towing numbers to compare
@@fsb_-bf3th that’s funny.
@@wayned3137 it sure is. Where's the Toyota 2500 or 250? Wait?.... LOL OR what happened to the T150?! Wait, copied ford again there! The tundra has copied fords with interior and exterior since the early 2000's. The only one that hasn't is the 08-13. Then they copied the interior after that. Toyota can't even design a v6 that can be worked on with the cab of the truck on still. This new gen needs the cab taken off to do work. They can't compete. The only time I see tundra on the job site is when helpers start and they end up needing to upgrade to a real truck
What makes me frustrated with Toyota is that they had literally forever to come up with the next truck and pretty much dropped the ball. It went from 2007 to 2021 with a refresh and couple other updates…Ford had like 3 generations of f-150’s in that same amount of time. You would think they could have done better…the 2nd gen Tundra will forever be the best…imo
1 - bed depth got smaller
2 - cab got slightly smaller
3 - no bumper space to get into bed
4 - bigger turning radius
5 - smaller rear axle
6 - storage under back seat
7 - best performance comes with 91octane or higher.
+no V8 option !!
I'd say Toyota did a dam good job as long as it still carry the same QDR and resale value, more capability and better ride quality, some of us won't complain.
@@365handle Doesn't take much to impress you does it. You're the exact type of person Toyota had in mind to buy this junk when they went and ruined it
@@365handle Muh rEsAlE vAlUe and ReLiAbIlItY. Toyotas not that great and you sheep who are brand loyal cause these problems. It's worse in class truck and just copied main features of the big 3 to try and compete while leaving behind everything the tundra was.
@@jacobstrutner8232 there resale value is high because they feel sorry that people got suckered into buying the pile of junk
Im just glad I bought a 21 in September 21. Love the v8 and how simple everything is
Smart move.
SAME! I just bought a 2021 PLATINUM an I LOVE IT! V8 FTW!
@@Wtfmanlol And you got a good deal. The ‘22 MSRP is being gouged all over the place.
@@georgiafan6618 yeah these dealerships are crazy with the mark ups
@@oliverramclam6009 Toyo dealer buys back used ‘’21-22 Tundras with low mileage - pay seller almost what he paid when new. They re-sell them at or over sticker. They’re the only available trucks on their lots. Enterprise offered me $500 over KBB for my ‘12 with 120k miles. Used market is CRAZY
#8 NO transmission cooler #9 NO V8 #10 Subscriptions Good video . I'll keep my near mint lo mile 2012.
I would too.
I agree and this is why i ordered a 2022 TRX.
To be fair to Toyota the thing about regular fuel was indeed a misprint. I don’t think that should count as a knock.
I’m so happy for you that TRX is going to be one beautiful truck. That is my dream truck also.
My gen 1 has 225,000. And has been on most back roads of Death Valley and never had an issue also haul firewood in the mountains of sierra Nevada mts use about 3/4 at oil every 4,000 miles
@@gringoreno sounds like you have a fantastic truck. Keep it until the wheels fall off.
The guy is obviously sour on the Tundras which is fine but he takes that bias and latches on to anything negative he can. So he goes into nonsense speculation a out the fuel with nothing to back it up.
Wow, is that all? Just 10 minutes? Must be a decent truck. Good video dude.
Totally agree! Bottom line - This new Tundra is a major step backwards.
I agree. Having owned Tundras for the last 12 years, their business was mine to lose, and they have. No easy way to get in the bed, and I don't mean a tailgate, just bumper steps would be fine. No tow hooks, smaller cab, worse turning radius. They missed so many simple things. Toyota was always top of my list. They are now below GM and Ford. I hope they fix this.
If someone from Toyota sees this, people don't care about gimmicky front spoilers that drop down, and a button in the tailight for the bed. Look at the GMC AT4, and build that truck with your quality. It sis functional, has steps in the bumper, much wider bed, tow hooks, great factory tires, factory lift. Only complaint is the fuel tank is 24 gallons. It should be 30 or 32.
Owned three reliable tundras since ‘07. The fact that you have to remove the cab in the ‘22 to service something in the engine is disconcerting. All the gear in the engine bay is packed in there with little room to spare w/videos pointing this out. However, the truck ks amazing via testimony trickling in from owners. *Ford eco boost was an abysmal failure early on with mechanics concurring their dumpsters were full of failed engine blocks. Toyota’s TTV6 will be better.
So glad I picked up a 21 this last November. It's sad to see Toyota go this direction. Hang on to them 5.7L boys...
My 15 trd ain't going anywhere
Same here. I was thinking about trading in but the saying is more electronics, more problems
@@macariosaldana180 facts
@@panicswitcharmy3754 I got the same truck !! Love it..how much miles u got on urs so far?
@@UAkovalchuk mines still a baby. I have 132000 kms. So like 90000 miles?
the 2 speed 4wd transfer case is like 200+lbs. That'll lower your payload by 200+lb, in addition if you have the 38 gallons vs 26 gallons fuel tank they will deduct from payload assuming you are full. Which is roughly 90-100lbs (12 extra gallons of fuel). So if you have the larger fuel tank and the 4wd option, its almost 300 lbs payload difference.
I can get an f150 full size crew cab, short bed, 4x4 2.7 Ecoboost with payload package and 2200lb of payload.
Went from a 2020 SR5 Crew to a 2022 SR5 Crew 2 weeks ago. It's definitely a little tighter on the inside, doesn't feel small though for a 6'4 guy, but the 2020 interior was massive. You're right on the turn radius, I had a new gen Camry before the 2020 and that felt and was more annoying turn radius wise than the 20 Tundra was, the 22 is not as good, but wouldn't say day to day I've felt a huge difference. Overall I love the 22, the look is awesome, there of course are those little things that aren't the same, but the v6 is much more enjoyable than the v8 was, with all respect to the v8, it's an incredible engine, but it guzzles fuel and doesn't have that kick the v6 does.
I just ordered an sr5 crew offroad. I'm super excited. The fuel mileage will be a real relief considering the cost of fuel now.
Finally a guy that actually has had both vs a guy that just took it out for a quick ride and look around
@@glenarseneau4796 6 months in and I still stand by it! Love the 22, gas mileage has been awesome, getting 19-21 depending how much highway driving I do. It's an awesome truck
@@alanmccaulley7847 I totally agree I love mine as well
I don't like that the tailpipe comes out the drivers side and they use fake engine noise piped in. The fender flares don't even cover the wheel wells and does not provide good protection. They don't look right to me. The front and back bumpers are made from molded plastic like cars and the least tiny bump will destroy them. This truck I feel is more car like and is made for people who don't really use a truck much as a truck. Just some of my thoughts I was hoping for better. This truck lies between the Honda pickup and the current Tundra.
That is an excellent comment with great points. I can't disagree thank you for contributing.
Appreciate your video. Sometimes we need to hear the things dealers and won’t tell you!
I've gone form a second gen '19 to the '22 and I agree with a couple of the negatives, especially the loss of 1.5" of the rear seat leg room. What easily carried 4 adult males (or 3 good size kids in the back) is now very cramped for 4 adult males (or at least the two suckers in the back). The other issue is the lack of the step into the bed. Yes, even though I would use my rims/tires, it was nice to have that step. I guess I'll have to dole out a few hundred more for the power step. That should have been standard. Haven't noticed the steering radius being an issue, nor the sluggishness (I don't think it exists if you run 87 or better). The load it can cary has gone up by 200+#'s, so you should correct that error in the video. It also tows more. The bed is smaller, but I doubt I'll notice the difference. The only time I would have an issue is with the height. There were a couple times I was right at the top with a bulky item when I had the Gator Trax closed, but I went with a folding tonneau this time.
There are a lot of positives though and overall I find it a better overall truck. Is it worth the $$? Probably not, but my '19 was totaled by a tree and I needed a new truck. Didn't even consider the others same in class. I've had a few Toyota trucks over the years and never had a problem. Worst issue was a vibration from my windshield when doing over 75 mph in my '07 Tacoma.
Appreciate the response and hope it continues to serve you well. Payload has gone up on the spec sheet, but not as much on the door stickers that I've seen. Most of the payload change is directly attributable to decreased fuel tank size.
Also don't forget this new model has SUBSCRIPTION ONLY REMOTE START! Thats right, monthly payments for life.
Subscription only HEATED SEATS ALSO!
Sometimes I wish that lead engineer and designer, Mike Swears, would do a question and answer session in live tv, so we could ask these specific questions. Typically it would be prestaged, so he could prepare for all the answers, before they were even asked. Thanks for pointing out these issues. Keeping the 2007 SR5 for life.
All those issues that you mentioned are getting fixed now and added on the 2023. I wish Toyota would have kept that as an option 5.7, or at least the 5.0 form the Lexus. Add that Hybrid system to improve the fuel economy. if I’m 6’4 and can seat behind me on the 2020 Extended cab, I tried the same on the 2022 and I couldn’t. I feel that Toyota did that on purpose to get people buy the Crew cab. That rear bumper is going to change quickly, they are getting a lot of negative feedback, make the less resistant to small accidents. In the old Tundra the bumper was modular.
I have a 1993 Toyota still rolling, I been investing my money all my life not wasting it on cars and trucks and now I don't have to work to buy junk like this or have to ask anyone or anybody for the time of day. Fishing every day.
The 2022 Toyota Tundra CrewMax comes with 41.6 inches of rear seat leg room compared with 42.3 inches in 2021. Only .7 inches decrease here. Front leg room on the other hand decreased by from 42.5 inches in 2021 to 41.2 inches in 2022. For me and my below 6' family this means nothing but you are correct Toyota slightly shrank the 2022. Just ordered the Platinum last week. I have a 21 Silverado High Country with the pretty chrome front tow hooks...never used them so again that Toyota deletion does not make of break the deal for me. I'm more concerned that I may be disappointed in going from the 6.2 Chevy to the V6? Great video I wish I would have watched it before ordering mine. If I'm not happy with it I'll unload it while the used car prices are through the roof.
Makes me appreciate my first gen way more now
Love the first gen. Been such a great truck,
First gen is best gen IMO. Love them so much.
I rented a 2022 Trd pro, and they come off the lot here around 94k. It was a disappointment, biggest safety issue with me was the horrible throttle response truck barely moved when I pressed the gas merging into traffic it was scary. Push to start sucks and takes an extra 10 seconds for no reason could just turn a key. Auto high beams half the time don’t work and blind everyone at night, lane assist pushes you into the other lane over correction, and the steering radius is embarrassing… and I had two tundras before and loved them..
Haven't been in a pro yet, but that sounds terrible.
I'm only 5'8" and the grab handle was so freaking tight for my hands that the salesperson told me to just use the steering wheel to pull myself in because and I quote, "who even uses the grab handle"
The power bed-step should've been standard in limited but instead it's not even available in limited. It's only available in platinum (not standard). Also they told me that if you want a/c power you gotta get the panoramic sunroof.
Thank you for that.
I just ordered after driving. 22 tundra sr 4x4 $41,839 plus tax, tag and fees. Awesome vehicle. Many of the critics are just opinions. Buy what you like. The mpg are way better. Toyota longevity is still unbelievable compared to all other models.
Well hopefully you don't have the turbo failure issue with others are getting good luck
Great points. I don't like the worst break over and approach and departure angles. You have to spec SR5 to get 18 inch wheels. Tail gate remote sucks for me sometimes I want a locked truck with a unlocked tailgate. I don't like the feeling of a button for the tailgate. Rear shock are venerable to getting hit more than old gen.
Great Points, hopefully Toyota gets some of these things addressed.
I've never had a problem turning into tight spots with mine again nitpicking or not knowing how to drive a truck
I've made my fair share of videos on the issues with this truck. I agree with you 100%. I don't care what anyone says, the cabin is way smaller. People want to argue about it based on numbers, but go sit in the back seat. It lost a ton of room.
Appreciate it. You've got the best owner review that I've seen.
@@kedrevs4037 thanks man. It’s a nice truck but it definitely didn’t live up to the hype.
I’ll be keeping my 21 TRD Pro lunar rock tundra over this
Was seriously considering the new Tundra, but had some growing suspicions and observations about it's operations and backward changes. Thanks for the video. Will look elsewhere. Hopefully they can address those issues, cause I really do like Toyota.
Most of the issues he showed will be difficult to address without a complete redesign. The rear bumper issue is probably the easiest to address, and that will probably take a refresh (2-3 yrs) if even. I'm not sure about the tow hooks or lack thereof since the air dam is in the way.
I never buy brand-new designs because you are guaranteed to have to deal with some little defects and recalls. But if you have to get a 2022, I would recommend waiting for a bit and getting the TRD Pro Hybrid.
That’s gonna be even more fd up
@@zzanatos2001 WHY? How is the Pro Hybrid going to solve anything this reviewer claims as a downside?
I have a Toyota Tundra 2022 and I am happy with my truck .much better quality than Ram 1500
Ram 1500 was my worst experience in having a truck in the past
Hope it continues to serve you well.
Solid points. Had the opportunity to test drive a 22 Tundra last week, besides cabin interior improvements and MPG, it seemed like a step back as far as utility. Ended up with a 🐏
Rams are known for electrical issues & bad transmissions
I had godd experience with one of the very first 2012 Ram Limiteds. Kept in for 6 years and 130k miles. No real mechanical issues. Had perpetual brake squeek, and a leaky sunroof in heavy rains that drove me nuts. But drove great when I traded it in on the Tundra in 2018. Really had a little buyer's remorse on the way home, missed the Ram for a few days, but really appreciated the Tundra after a while.
All I can say is good luck. I'm not going to buy another Ram anytime soon.
2017 Ram 1500 Sport:
4 transmission repairs
3 manifold blow outs, yes the 5th gen still has that going on. I'm also waiting for the Cam roller failure the 5.7L suffered from.
2 backup cameras
1 driverside mirror
1 front passenger window motor
1 map light, they had to replace the whole part, not just the bulb.
1 RF hub
2013 Ram 1500 Laramie:
Air ride leaks, I would never recommend an airride suspension in a Ram Truck.
4 air compressors for the air ride
1 new engine due to roller failure
2 Transmission repairs
1 Passenger side mirror
2 RF Hub
1 Coil pack failure over cylinder 7 on the brand new engine at 52,000 mi, that was a fun drive to the dealership.
That's why I'm buying a Ford with the 2.7L
Yep, some of you guys be expecting a rocket ship instead of a pickup truck so we can understand your feelings.
New tundra cabs are also much smaller
I sold my 2018 GMC Sierra for more money than I payed for it. I think Toyota just about nailed it. I’ve heard about all the down gradings, but that won’t make me change my mind at all on purchasing the Tundra.
If it suits your needs...
I agree with Jules. I'm getting one too. 1794 4x4
Brainwashed sheep to the slaughter
@@jacobstrutner8232 that's what you think bubba
@@johnrambo4082 just wait till the engine fails and fail it will
I know someone at work who bought one of these , not seen him driving lately, Yes the Dealership is waiting for Parts to Change both Turbos, they gave him a 2018 Camry Loaner vehicle, The Truck Lost power on the way to Lake Tahoe, Not a Happy Camper, He is thinking about Lemon Law now
ouch
I just rented a 22 tundra sr5 when I was traveling. Pretty decent truck. It felt like a bigger Tacoma. The no steps into the bed was pretty annoying. That one is a head scratcher for me. How do you design a truck without something like that. Amazing how that passed the design stage.
The 2022 Tundra is Hideous. Not one thing I like about that truck. Last gen was such a sharp truck.
All good points. We were looking at the new 22 Tundra but were disappointed with the payload capacity. We had owned (3) previous model year tundras and really liked the size and relatability.
We bumped up to a 1 ton diesel for a tow vehicle and do not have to be concerned about cargo capacity. You made solid points on what Toyota did to cheapen the build on new Tundra. The engineers had (5) years to get it right and sadly missed it by a long country mile. Wishing it was different, but we said good bye to Toyota.
if you want disappointment in payload capacity look at a Gen2 tundra!
RON 91, which is research octane number. In the US and Canada the pumps report the motor octane number. 87 MON is 91 RON. Premium fuel is not required.
I hear you. but that promo email didn't say anything about research octane number.
I think I'll keep my gen 1's.
Simple, reliable workhorses.
They were the best Tundra they made.
I've had 3 1st gens. Get one with a good frame; do regular maintenance and they last forever.
The integrated rear bumper to rear quarter panel looks to be a delicate and expensive repair on any small bump in the rear
LOL. Delicate is never a word you want used to describe your truck.
Bro, you are doing the lord’s work right now. Thank you for this 🙌🏻 I’ll be sticking with my 2018 T4R TRD OR
Just having fun my friend.
@@kedrevs4037 you’re really bringing some serious considerations to light for us- thank you for that. Many reviewers are only showing the new tech etc but a solid comparison, like yours, is needed and very appreciated
I totally disagree with your assessment. I have owned both (2018 SRA W/TRD OFF Road Package) and just got my new 22 Tundra Limited W/TRD Off Road. My New tundra has just as much head room as the previous generation. Also you are wrong on the Head Room of other trucks. (Ram front 40.9 rear 39.8 GMC front 43.0 rear 40.8). My 6'4 boss got into my new tundra with the Panoramic Sunroof and had no problems. He also owns a 2021 tundra and he says the exact same thing as I did. With the new version you can get a 6.5 Ft bed on a crew max which wasn't available on previous generation. I do agree about the step on the tailgate. Also the turning radius is way better on the new tundra. You would know this if you have driven both on a daily basis instead of going off numbers put down on a sheet of paper. You shouldn't expect a dealership to tell you everything and if you are doing your research then you will be comfortable spending 60k on a truck with certain capabilities like I did when I purchased mine.
Are you a Toyota hired influencer? Nothing you have written about the facts are accurate.
BTW, what is GAWR for the rear on the inside of your driver door? Waiting to see some.
@@kedrevs4037 not at all. I used to work for a Toyota dealership and they make the best product in the world. Please tell me what facts I have wrong. Do you own a 22 Tundra? Because I do and I have gone through this truck with a fine tooth comb and it's a thousand times better than the previous generations
turning radius on paper should be more factual than your "feeling" of it. Either way a small change in turning radius is only going to hurt truly poor drivers, nothing wrong with a k turn or three
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The legendary 5.7 v8 that could be taken pass 500k easily has been replaced with an v6 twin turbo that was first manufactured in 2017 what a shame
And the TTv6 is a mechanics worst nightmare they burn oil at 50k-60k
You're review was 100% honest and helped me make up my mind.. Great vid
Appreciate it thank you. I thought it was honest as well. A lot ofToyota fan boys took issue with it.
Great job the truck sucks it’s weak I’m a Toyota man and I own a 2020 tundra pro if I had to buy another truck it would no longer be Toyota
I'm with you you took the words out of my mouth!!! 2020 Tundra owner, and two 4runners 4th and 5th generations all bought new fully loaded 4x4's and I wish I ordered two Tundras instead of one before the chip shortage. Keeping them forever nothing like a 5.7 V-8 4x4 Tundra. Very roomy and comfortable!!!
Good points, hopelly everyone will cancel teiri orders so i can get one now instead wait 6 months and not pay msrp. Need more videos like these.
I recently sold my 2018 Tundra and bought the New 2022 Tundra Limited.
The complaints mentioned in this video for the most part is someone making a mountain out of a ant hill. Yes Toyota should have left the rear number with a place to step on and also tow hooks.
There are So Many more positives to this new truck than the few small negatives. This is a Great truck!!! Stop the whining.
If it suits you that is great, but it doesn't suit a lot of other people. Not whining, just objective observation.
Your list depends on what the purchaser is using the truck for. Notwithstanding your findings. Certainly, great information. The Tundra comes in 3 bed sizes. Head room is an issue if you are hauling a couple of NBA players to the game. Toyota makes an accessory for a rear bumper step. Agreed there is a turning radius issue. It's a big truck with a big ass. I am not going to park into a compact stall at the grocery store. Rear axle lbs difference: You might have something there, but again it depends on what the purchaser is using the truck for. 2023 rear seat has storage. IMO you make a good point on the fuel used. I might have see if there is a difference. thank you for posting.
I was really looking forward to this redesign, but the Tundra has come off my shopping list. You actually missed one of the biggest missteps which is Toyota's move to subscription based connected services. This means you have to pay a fee to be able to use remote start and a bunch of other features of the truck. I think Toyota has lost me for good. I will give the refreshed 2022 Chevy Silverado 3.0 diesel a close look. It's the only full size truck I would consider buying at this point because of its excellent capability and fuel economy.
Good luck!
You do know you can get an aftermarket remote start that works WAY better than the OEM key fob, right? For not much money either…
@@michaelgriffith2762 I could give a sh*t about the remote start, really. That's not the big issue with the new Tundra....there are many. The 'connected services' infotainment is nothing more than glorified spyware. The truck doesn't even have tow hooks. Thanks to the stupid rear bumper design, there is no integrated step to access the bed when tailgate is down...you have to buy a $500 accessory step. You can't special order a Tundra (or any Toyota) the way you want it, your only option is to buy a dealer spec truck with a bunch of overpriced accessories... and the list goes on and on. Fck Toyota. I'm done with them.
@@dlg5485 interesting. My dealer told me I can build a new tundra and they’d order it to my spec. It been a few weeks so maybe something has changed?
@@michaelgriffith2762 The dealer can choose to use one of their allocations to order your desired spec, but they don't have to and most of them won't...unless you add some accessories to sweeten the deal for them. In my experience, Toyota and their dealers are the absolute worst to deal with. I have special ordered over a dozen vehicles over the years from various brands exactly the way I wanted them with a small deposit and no questions asked, but Toyota simply doesn't operate that way.
Was planning on purchasing a Tundra this May. After looking at all the changes in 22 , if I do buy I'll be looking into a pre-owned 21 model.
A couple changes I can live with but twin turbos, 3 radiators , new Trans, on and on. Will be interesting to see which new components will last and which ones flop
I agree
Wow. Lots of great FACTUAL information on differences between the 22 and 21 Tundras. Thanks! Stocking with my 2020 SR5 4x4 for now.
Just bought a 2020 SR5 instead of a 2022 and don't regret a thing.
I've seen other reviews and they mention the subscription-based functionality of the software... I hate that.. really, if you're buying the vehicle, _everything_ should be there 100% 24/7, nothing of that subscription model crap.
Finally had a chance to test drive the 2022 yesterday, huge disappointment compared to my 2020 pro. The cab is definitely smaller the seats are uncomfortable, the view out the windshield has been reduced. This new truck is a grocery getter only. I was never so happy to get back in my pro.
Good to know my 2020 pro is still gonna be a keeper
Yes! That was exactly my impression. Love the 5.7 with 4.30.
I have a 2020 Trd Pro & it’s the complete opposite! Effortless power and tons of upgrades! 3” lift with 35” tires is looking real appealing especially trade in price 😳
Why don't you try out the 1794
So you compared your Pro to a non-pro?
My dad is looking for a second truck for his company. His 2020 Tundra has been flawless so far. But this 2022 looks like a disappointment from all directions. Will be looking at a Nissan Titan or a diesel/hemi-V8 Ram 1500 instead. Thank you for the video.
Thank you for watching
Bought 5 new Tundras and drove Tundras for over a decade. I bought an AT4 Sierra with the 6.2 in late 2020 because Toyota pushed back the refresh again. This new model is a huge disappointment. The big screen is trying to distract from the shortcomings. You are better off buying a Ford EcoBoost if you want the 3.5 TT.
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I have a 2021 pro, do you like better your AT4 Sierra then the Tundra?
@@edgarmartinez1512 I do. I do not think it will be as reliable as a 2021 and earlier Tundra, but it has far more power, gets better mileage, and is nicer inside.
@@cstgx Right there with you. The GMC is so much nicer. I get an extended warranty on everything so I'm not worried. Love the GMC. I feel like I'm no longer stuck in the 80s.
My 2018 Tundra is boring, but it hasn’t had one single issue at all in 40,000 miles, not one.
I actually complain that it need a tail gator step like that of a ford, so this 2022 will totally suck for me. I’m a hunting outfitter so you can just imagine how often I have to get into and out of the bed, I can’t just jump out with these old rebuilt knees. I did buy a slider, it helped a lot, but it did cut down on the amount of cargo I can take. Even my 2018 step bumper is far too dangerous when wet and forget about it if it’s icy. I feel they missed the mark.
Glad I decided not to wait and went ahead with a " late in the year 2021" Tundra build. Maybe after ALL the bugs worked out (few years) I'd consider, but am happy with my 2021 limited TRD Offroad Package 4x4.
Wish I could have gotten TRD offroad on the Platinum
thanks for the heads up. a game changer for sure. i own a 2011 and was considering buying a 22... ill check out the GMC for sure
You won’t be disappointed with the GMC. They have really stepped it up and are luxurious and spacious and way more capable.
All these CZcams Channel reviews fail to mention Toyota has merged Lancruser/ Tundra platforms. Toyota isn't trying to be like the big 3 American companies thank God.
Toyota is the only manufacture that modestly rates payload/towing.
I have mentioned TNGA-F several times as have others. It is not a good thing if you want a truck, it is if you want an SUV with Truck skin.
Perhaps you haven't realized the average Tundra consumer wants a truck with all the amenities of an SUV... For those of us that are Landcruiser enthusiasts though... 🔥
Tow ratings are recommendations, In 2007 when the Tundra came out with its tow ratings a certain manufacturer 3 months later revamped theirs to make it better than the Tundra without changing anything mechanically on their truck.In 2011 Toyota started to follow the J2807 Towing rating scale which the big 3 wrote. The funny thing is the big 3 didnt start following the J2807 ratings until 2018 .Manufacturers can set their tow ratings to whatever they want.The Tundra could easily tow 12,000lbs or more on their previous generation Tundra. The only thing that kept them doing that was a 5 bolt hub pattern.
"Manufacturer".
My general feel from this video is that these points are somewhat picky criticisms that look more valid on paper than they do in practice. I say that objectively- no underlying negativity there (as internet comments may often read).
As a guy that is 6'3 I can tell you that the headroom in one of these seems fine- I think it just means the seat wasn't properly adjusted. Stepping on the side of your tire to get into the bed, I mean I think that's what a lot of guys do for trucks to begin with, especially when you're strapping things down on either side that you can't climb over. Even when I had side steps on my last pickup, I never used them. They get sticky over time and can be a pain to pull out and stepping on your tire is quicker. I don't know what you mean about scratching up the side of you truck while doing so- I mean if you're complacent, sure... but I don't think that's a real issue. I do think that the Tundra has too few tiedown locations and the ones they have look pretty cheap. The F150 can have a shorter turn radius than the prev. gen Tundra, so I think that might be an inequivalent build comparison there. I've driven supercrews with the 6' bed for 10 years in and out of Philadelphia and I've never once been in a situation where I couldn't back into a parking space. I'm not sure what unlikely scenario you're referencing about being needing to nose it in anywhere.
I didn't realize, and totally agree, that not having a fold flat storage under the back seats is a big miss on Toyota's behalf. That said, I don't think it's a dealbreaker for the overwhelming majority of people. It's a slight inconvenience at best for a one off scenario where you didn't want to use your bed (or tonneau cover) to transport something large enough to need the full floor of the back seat. The '22 Tundra is 1 inch smaller in the front for legroom and .7 smaller in the rear, which is a valid decrease to raise. Personally I still think it's so huge inside these trucks regardless; they're effectively full size SUVs in the front and back seats. The performance difference between 87 and 91 octane on one of this exists in people's minds only- that's the truth. The Tundra is a great pickup, but it's always been more of a follower rather than an innovator since Toyota only sells them in the US.
Appreciate your thoughts ans a lot have accused me of only addressing my needs in these videos. Of course it comes from my point of view, but. I always try to imagine others. Apparently you've never parked at New Orleans during Mardi Gras, or in a deck or college campus that requires you to park front end in so your license plate can be scanned. It is real I assure you.
This is a really good video. The increased turning radius was one big factor in me getting my deposit back.
Even though we love the old tundra Axles, the ratings on the new ones are still pretty competitive ballpark wise with others, but the payload is still nothing to write home about
Totally agree with bumper step!!!
At 13 miles per gallon I would much prefer the 2022 model any day.
That's definitely worse than I get in my 5.7 Tundra. I get 15 town 17-20 highway. The increase in price from last year's model is going to negate your savings at the pump. By the time you break even the unknown reliability will become a factor.
Ford has the maverick if you want fuel savings..
They killed an iconic vehicle in the name of CAFE standards..my 15 is ready for replacement...sadly as a very long time Toyota Tundra owner the 22 will not be my next new truck. The major 3 are way ahead of this turd.. Christ, even Nissan is looking good. Thanks for this.
Under powered V6 engine, that needs twin turbos to get enough power….. a lot of buyers will have trouble with their lack of religious oil changes…re: turbo killer
was planning to buy the new Toyota tundra, but I just traded for a gmc sierra denali 6.2 now I'm getting more mpg and definitely feel the extra power of the 6.2 10 spd.
Gorgeous truck! Congrats........
Solid truck!!! 👍🏽👍🏽
Toyota flopped with this truck. Co worker bought one and he is very unhappy, mostly with the transmission shifting terrible. Dealer said their was nothing they could do. And the rear window leaks. He is going to try to trade it on a Chevy or Ford.
Seriously contemplating canceling my order. Thank for the vid
None of this will affect Toyota fanboys. They’re up there with Subaru folks. Diehard no matter what. Toyota makes great vehicles but they’re a bit overrated imo.
The fanboys crack me up when they brag about the sound of the new engine. No one told them it was the scoming through the speakers like a BMW.
🤫 don’t tell them haha
Agree 100% after reading all the hype on tundras i bought a new 2019, its an "ok" truck, not sure why people and toyota salesman act like they are made of gold
I'll stick with my 2001 Tundra. I'm not a fan at all of these twin turbo smaller V6s there definitely going to be problems down the road as the miles and years build up. Why there's no option for a V8 is baffling. Oh, let's not even get into the looks of this truck it's hideous, that grill is horrible. The comment about backing into your driveway is true unless you live in the city and there's only street parking. backing in makes your exit much easier and safer as well as in my opinion shows forward thinking and not complacency. I drive a fire truck for a living and everything gets backed into it's spot, ready to go. Keep up the great reviews, I'm now a subscriber. 👍
If I had a car company, my trucks would come with the slogan: "To serve purpose". And that is to be a truck, not a pavement princess.
Unless you can only have 1 vehicle and you want it to be both like the RAM 1500 is
As a long time Toyota owner for both business and personal (going back to the early 80s), I have to unfortunately AGREE with ALL your points and would add another from my son, who worked as a mechanic for our local Toyota dealership up until last November, and that is they shrank the brakes considerably as the previous gen brakes were more comparable to 3/4 ton brakes, but not now.
Honestly, I do not know what Toyota was thinking here. Yes the mileage for the 2nd gen was poor, but that is not why I bought a truck (I ride my bike around town for errands and use the truck when I need a truck). In fact, one of the reason the 2nd gen got poor mileage was the rear end was 4.3 which provide more pulling power than many 3/4 tons, but at the cost of lower mpg. The new Tundra has gone backwards here too IMHO as the rear end is less capable.
I will also add that the rear seat leg room is a real shocker, considering my T100 had much better leg room. I like/need the longer bed, so the crew cab is a no starter for me, but this new back seat leg room rules out the new double cab.
As for Toyota in general, we just bought a newer vehicle for my wife, but past over shopping Toyota just because our local Toyota dealership has gone downhill since they were bought out a few years ago. They now stress quantity over quality in their service department and the service manager and general manager are "real pieces of work" IMO, which in part why my son left, even though his dream was to work for Toyota
The next closest dealership is 28 miles away, so while I may still someday purchase another Toyota if only for the reliability I have achieved over the years, it is much less likely now.
Sad because I've had some really great trucks in particular a 1986 Toyota 1 ton (small truck) and a 1996 T-100 which was the forerunner of the Tundra, with basically the same amount of room inside as my 2nd generation Tundra (not the towing capacity though, but at the time I was using a Ford 350 that was quite unreliable and often less capable than my current Tundra).
excellent information!! .. glad i saw this!.. i love my 2010 , very sad to see this, i was going to buy a new one . After seeing these steps backwards, with what I would consider very big design flaws, I've absolutely changed my mind!! Why in gods name did they do such a shit job in it's redesign!! Mine has been an absolute JOY to own, with rock solid reliability! haven't even needed to replace a bulb , still using the original serpentine belt! 125,000 miles. Breaks my heart... guess I'm just gonna keep mine and drive it till the wheels fall off!
22 Tundra hittin’ the market like a Pontiac Aztec.
I can't believe how far out the back tail light lens comes out so far. Are going to keep it or not? good video.