I Cross-Bred Shrimp for a Year, This Happened
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Bro pretty much all scientific endeavours start with “I wonder what happens when I…”
100 percent true
Or "huh, that's funny"
Yep, pretty much hahahah
Yes, and will add that the last step in the scientific method is to communicate/share results, which you are doing with this video. Well done. I enjoyed watching.
Also children
"Fucking no clue" Now you're speaking my language
Lmaoooo facts! Chuckled when he said that
I noticed he started leaving in cuss words now 😂
I swear in real life, so I might as well so in these videos lol
@@KeepingFishSimplesorry but I found it distasteful I’m no prude and occasionally swear in extreme situations but not casually on a public platform, just my opinion but still a huge fan 🙃
@@petpot1962swearing is entertaining in my opinion
I've done this same experiment, and yes, the warm colored shrimp don't create wild types when cross-bred, they stay colorful. I started my orange and red colony with one orange female and a handful or red males, and I've noticed that only females in that colony can be orange. I'm not sure what that means genetically, but it's very interesting.
In other animals that would suggest a sex-linked gene, meaning that the gene is on the sex chromosome. Think tortoiseshell in cats, or balding in humans. IDK if shrimp even have sex chromosomes, not my area.
@@SabethRavenwing I don't know if there is any coloration associated with sex genes in shrimp. Or if there's a trigger on them of some kind. Or if they have sex genes at all. It could also just be a coincidence.
seems like a shrimple experiment to me
Shrimp use zz/zw sex chromosomes. Zz male and zw female. If only females can be orange then orange is a dominant trait on the w and red is recessive, if females can be red then it is present in both z and w
This likely means the red trait is carried on the Y chromosome
Maybe next put the rili shrimp in a tank together and see if you can improve the quality of the striping.
That could be a really cool idea
I’ve actually recently acquired some orange rili with REALLY broken stripes, and I’m pretty sure it’s possible to selectively breed for patterns to the point you can make almost marbled variants with those (I’ve seen one almost completely colorless rili shrimp). I’m trying to capitalize on the milky white stripe in the middle to attempt making a false “snowball” with the cherry shrimp instead of just buying the actual snowball, which are the palmata.
Yes, I’m lazy, yes, a little crazy, but in theory, it’ll work.
@@Nemesis0513 good luck I hope it does
@@markfranklin8831 yeah, I’ve also been working with a blue mutant of a yellow line, it’s got a slightly greenish tinge and I think we both know damn well where this is going.
Green cherries. Sounds a lot worse when I say it out loud, but you heard me.
If you cross red rilli with blue diamond(Light blue) You get red rillies with a blue center.
Over a couple years, I've added jade green, black rose, cherry, bloody Mary, gold, and orange to my tanks. A lot of my shrimp have retained this unique copper stripe down their backs that seems to have originated from my original jade green batch. But now its on beautifully orange brown shrimp, clear shrimp, cherry shrimp, and some crazy patterned wild types too. I find all of them equally beautiful in their own ways and they seem to know where they're hidden the best as I have observed that they tend to stay on objects/plants that match their camouflage. I have anubias for the greens, red lava rock for the ones that retained red based colors, drift wood for the browns, and black gravel that hides the clear and wild types well. These observations intrigue me and will entertain my detail oriented mind for hours. I will never understand thinking any one pattern of shrimp is ugly.
Have you ever cooked any up and what did they taste like
3:16 that shrimp just went to another dimension
LOL
i saw that too wtf😭
Interesting
3:18 in.... uhm, did anyone else see that shrimp swim straight through the flower pot like it wasn't even there?
Yes. They call that a, "ghost shrimp." (BBOOOO)
yes 😭
i had to play it back a few times just to be sure i wasn't tripping 😂
Bruh wth?
I think it's because of the pot having a dark shadow under the rim and the shrimp being red doesn't help so it looks like it disappeared, but you can still see the dark silhouette of it swimming.
Shadows
3:18 Shrimp phases through potted plant into Agartha.
we're being frauded
oh good catch, took me a few rewatches. why would someone fake shrimp videos??
@@qdexdaz If you use the "" keys you can browse frame by frame
Ok, good, im glad i wasn't the only one that saw that. I rewatched it a dozen times.... it definitely swam straight through it as if the pot was not even there.
for everyone struggling to spot it (it's very blink and you'll miss it): the red shrimp at the bottom right 'corner' of the pot
From a genetic pov (I'm an amateur, take this with a grain of salt): Looks like the red/blue gene is a dominant gene (bigger chance of being visible on the offsprings) and a yellow/orange is a recesive gene (lower chance of being visible on the offsprings).
Few things I noticed:
1) blue shrimps probably have a wild-colourpattern genes
2) the orange shrimp have very interesting pedigree (might get interesting colours and variations if you bred them a bit more)
3:15 to 3:18 Holy crap!!! The red one just dematerialized from reality!!!
From what I remember, the tree of cherry shrimp is derived from three or four major lines.
The first is the cherry lineage, which spawns all the red shrimp. The rilis have a potential to develop a bluish stripe over the clear one, while another spawns the oranges. The oranges oddly enough spawns a green variant, though I’m not sure how (maybe crossbreeding, I haven’t explored too deeply myself).
The second is the black lineage, which spawns the blue and brown (shoko) lines. Blue makes the blues,carbons, and blacks, the shokos develop convergently with the reds and form the chocolate and Bloody Mary lines (though I’m not so sure the Bloody Mary needs to be bred for in that specific way since some cherry lines have similar coloration).
The yellow lineage is pretty self-explanatory, it develops yellow and can mutate some darker colors to converge with the blue lines to form green.
Between all of these lineages, there are generally four main patterns of color: the cherry (speckled), solid, back-striped, and rili.
I suspect that the rilis’ colors could be bred for a more broken marbled pattern or even bred out entirely for a translucent whitish variety (aptly named the false snowball). Purples have yet to be set in stone as a variety, but I’ve seen some culls that look fascinatingly close stemming from the brown and blue lines, as well as some oddly maroon reds. Maybe try working toward those if you’re bored enough?
fascinating
3:17 non corporeal shrimp swims through pot plant
yo, what is that?
@@CSR462 Its coloring allowed it to "disappear" in the shadow.
@jouaienttoi no way. Watch it again, it swims directly into the pot as if it wasn't even there. The shrimp looks like cgi too as it's swimming before it goes through the pot.
I had blue and red mixed together and I was expecting Purple but instead i got bright Orange Shrimps, honestly Orange Shrimps looks kinda cool lol.
I still have a few cherry shrimp in my 40 gallon jungle tank that were originally bought 7-8 years ago and have managed to survive various rescapes and predation.
They are now wild type in color for the most part and are stunted. I don't see them much but the largest are less than an inch and most are maybe a half inch.
You gotta add new ones after that time bc it’s like game of thrones in there lol they’re all related
@@stevennguyen7421Alabama simulator
The Habsburgh shrimp dynasty
This was really interesting! I always wondered what would happen if you mixed them. Here in the states you can buy a mix of colors. They are called Skittles after the candy.
Nick, please keep this experiment going. Please!
I'd love to see how this is all going in another 6 months. Cheers.
Best colors to try to mix based on similar genetics to get cool crosses are as follows. Blue dreams and bloody Mary. Fire Red's and blue jelly's. Orange and greens and orange and yellows. those are the p[airs most closely related genetically so slightly less chance of throwing wilds and you can get color combinations. The only ones I have personally done is a tank of fire reds and blue jellys, I also threw a few red rili's in there also to get the rili genetics. Its been about a year and a half and most of the shrimp have now turned to Red blue jelly rili's. Meaning they are red rili's but instead f the clear color in the middle they have the blue jelly color there. Pretty awesome shrimp! I hear you can also make bloody Mary blue rili's(bloody Mary rili's with the deep blue of the blue dream in the middle) by combining blue dreams and bloody Mary's. I am definitely going to try to make those guys next.
blue velvets and red rilis are a safe cross- blue velvet affects the tissue color and red rili affects shell color and pattern, so they don't have a negative interaction. Had mixes of those running for years without the wild type emerging. Been meaning to do blue velvet and orange rili, but now I might be more interested in bloody mary with carbon rili
..) exactly what I'm going for royal rilis just another aka. Bloody Mary's x Blue Dreams. Hyped
@@rayalvarez8581 Awesome, Royal Rili's is an awesome name. Blue blooded and all that, I give that name a 10!
This wonderful, I just started breeding project for neocaridina this month and then you upload this report, thanks so much
"i have no clue whats going to happen" is the rawest, purest form of scienitific discovery
write down *exactly* what happens at every stage and youre gonna be doing some serious science, it might not be useful science, but youll be learning alot and produce tons of data that other people likely would love to read over
I mixed blue red and a red white. They are mostly black and blue now. I select them sometimes and put the ones that i don't like into the big tank where the fish eat them.
I have a 2 gallon caridina and neo tank. I haven't done water changes in months. I have shrimp soil and plants, and that's it. The caridina have started to breed, and I don't even know how. I don't add elements or anything. No heater or flow. Just light, plants and soil.
First time here
Title : I cross bred shrimp for a year
Video : “I have no f*ckin clue how shrimp genetics work but..”
This is the content I’m here for.
i cross bred red yellow orange and blue shrimps many years back in a fully planted tank. i rarely trimmed the plants and the tank was an eco system of its own that didnt need a filter or air pump. i checked on the shrimps when my tank started leaking to relocate them and i found the result to be mostly wild type brown-ish shrimps
edit to add orange
I really love all those colours they have!!!! Specially the blue ones and more transparent ones
Hahahah I did same about 6months ago with red an blue
Found some stunning ones of late.
Black body with gold razor back an gold eyes
So surprised an rewarding
love how shrimp always seem to be like the gateway drug to science/being really interested in shrimp
This is the heart of what CZcams is all about… try cool shit out, and share it with as many random strangers (and bots) as humanly possible
Well damn. This is shrimply amazing.
I love this experiment and I've followed from the start. It's a great way to keep yourself into the hobby if you're feeling burnout or boredom. So interesting to see what pops up from different lines and colors.
I remember your first tests and love the follow up. Now a subscriber. Thank you for letting us share your journey.
This was a cool little experiment, Thanks for sharing Potty mouth 🤣
They’ll mostly go wild type but will occasionally produce a vivid bright one. I had a few of each common color in my 75 gallon planted tank and it’s almost exclusively wild type with some more colorful occasionally I’ll get some pitch black ones and some really beautiful greens.
This video is Shrimply unbelievable!
At the video on 3:18... Where did that red shrimp disapear?????
It just went into the shadow of the pot.
started with clear and yellow ones nearly two years ago. We have gotten everything but black and blue. We got green, orange, clear, yellow, red, wildtype and everything in between. even got some funky stripes.
Never thought I'd watch a video about shrimp like this. But here I am. Awesome video bro.
Honestly, I kind of prefer the wild look, they look a lot cooler with the stripes than just solid color.
This is the exact experiment the aliens are doing on earth.
Then they have horrible taste, because they hit the reset meteor button on Friggin' DINOSAURS
@@Bird-wz7nx All the dinosaurs are doing are roaring and killing and eating each other... there is nothing unique about the experience.. *yawns* *resets*
*humans are the new default* oh god, these things are awful... imma keep it.. this is interesting.
This is the quality content I come to CZcams for
I have 5 red cherries and a single blue shrimp in a 3 gallon tank and they just hatched about 20-30 lil babies out this week. I’m so excited to see how they turn out I know most will be red but the blue shrimp did have eggs so I’m hoping to get something neat
congratulations! ive got a bunch of red cherry babies and some of them look kinda transparent while others are more red, hoping to get some cool genes as well 🤞🤞
@@halfyou they are a few days old now and still clear I’m hoping they color up soon. This is my first time having them breed so either way I’m happy
Did anyone notice the red shrimp at 3:15 went through the pot, ghost?
I did!
Yes, maybe camera trick?
It didn't, it went into the shadow of the pot.
@@jouaienttoi did it, I think it went into the pot like some kind of glitch
@@isolateddream8084 Glitches don't exist. It went into the shadows.
I had 2 red and 2 yellow in my fish tank. They made mostly the wild type but there's a blue/black one in there too! My shrimp bowl has always been red only, and so far all the babies have been red (with a couple of pale red/clear)
- 6:53 There is an orange shrimpie on the bottom !. 😊❤
- Actually there are 2.
Thanks for the update!! I'm so sad I can't keep them anymore since moving to Tasmania. I miss my reds and blues. Great to see yours though 🥳
It might be fun to try to think of a way to add selection pressure to the system. What I am thinking of is some sort of system that kills any drab shrimp. Over time, the non-drab ones would be the only ones so something likely would happen to make the crosses never lead to a drab one because the selection would be reducing the breeding success of those with genes that mix to make drab ones. It is likely you would get a few mutations along the way
Many a shrimp keeper have attempted to create their own colours or strains. The reality is that it is pretty scientific and it takes a very long time to get a hybrid neo shrimp to breed true. You could have split the colours between males and females, and then once all the females were berried you could have removed the males. Then once the babies are large enough to accurately sex, then you take the males and put them back in with the females. And to keep enough genetic diversity in your line you'd probably want to run three variants of the same experiment concurrently.
I was in the shop a few weeks ago and saw these tanks. I bought some of your sinking food. I'm only in Moorooka, so yell out if you ever want to talk all things shrimp.
Love ya work mate. You're the reason I got shrimp and know how to get them breeding
thats an update I was looking foreward to
thanks man
excited to see what comes of my tank that started with 8 cherries 2 bloody Marie's 5 blue rilis 1 blue diamond 1 black rose and a yellow back goes. currently around 100 babies 5 months in, only a few are colored proper, most look like wild type or a weird mix of a blue rilis and wild type
Yes those are the same results I’ve gotten, but beautiful hybrid colors!! Those surprise Rili shrimp are so fun! But I am disappointed I haven’t gotten any greens- those shrimp are so awesome!!😀
I got a 4-5 yr old red yellow orange blue mix tank and it's just orange yellows and wilds now with some occasional random color mixes
Genetics of shrimps is fascinating.
I had a dark blue variant and the dark and the light jade greens.
I separated all the individuals which got a brown stripe on the back and threw them all together in a tank. This ended in all the males being brown/black/blue while some females fell which were brown with a yellow stripe on the back. But only the females would look like this. Tried to breed them and they seemed to be infertile, ain’t got a single baby from them.
Had a friend that tried something similar with wild type ones. He created a really nice strongly patterned typus which merely had any color.
Shrimps are just wild.
Oh and for what I know about their genetics. It depends (as with every breeding) on what you already have in the genepool. Like if you took yellow and red shrimps that were very well selected - they could have lost all “nature colored” genes over time.
I have selected bloody marys over the years and there wont ever exist one discoloured neocaridina in the tank.
This will drastically shrink the genepool over time and with that new problems occur, like them getting pretty sensible or deformed. But if you manage to put in new well selected individuals you can make the genepool bigger again.
I can also confirm that if you wait long enough with poorly selected mixes, they will mostly get brown and nature colored but they nevertheless will look fantastic.
Why my shrimps aren't breeding?
I have 11 shrimps in my tank with guppies, the tank has plants, drift wood, and aerator.
I have them for about 8-9 months
Your female guppies is the reason and answer
@@Cleeon why
@@ABC_DEF_ as long as the female guppies feel hunger, they will non stop hunting for baby shrimps and even disturbing adults shrimp, and after your female guppies in full (have enough food) and the temperature is warm enough for them, they'll be hyperactive 😅, then what they're doing if not harrased by male guppies? They'll go schooling with same females and make a group and just like kids, trying to Intimidate any other creatures which they can intimidate them.
For male guppies, when they're kids, they're harmless to shrimps, even to baby shrimps, then when the male guppies can start to mating, and as long as they're not hunger and temperature not dropped/cold for them, they'll non stop chasing females.
Some females can be stressed if they cannot fight back, then to satisfy their frustration, female guppies can attack anything which moving around them.
I strongly suggest to have dedicated aquariums for males only and females guppies, that how they live in nature, the males only coming at mating season and females group accept them.
In fact, guppy fish is strong and they can become territorial
@@Cleeon thankyou!! I'll do that
I dont know much about shrimp but its possible that tabk conditions could make reds more likely to thrive in general for some reason or another. It woupd be interesting to repeat the experiment where each tank has the same two colors but the tank conditions are different for each one (different ph levels, different amounts of sunlight, types of filters, differnt hides and plants) you should eventually see slight differences in the genetics.
His disclaimer in the beginning is so me. I got blue and yellow shrimps way back (like, years ago) and some months ago, suddenly there were 3 red ones. Shrimp genetics ig
Excellent video! I loved this experiment and now you've given me some inspiration to try this as well.
I have a tank that had cherries, sapphires and Sunkist. Its all just pitch black shrimp now. They're actually very pretty :)
looks super shrimple i bet i could do this
interresting outcome to this cool experiment! would be very interresting to discuss the outcome of the various breeds and possible mixes with the graden of eder people, with possible knowledge about the different lines... love your work mate
Some of my favorite experiments and outcomes are from when I just randomly went for it. Never really make it scientific, just how I think it'll work out. Granted, mine weren't breeding or fish or anything, just random stuff like gardening, art, cooking, and chicken enrichment 😅
Mr Potter that’s some beautiful magic!
Just watched your other video of heading out to catch the rainbow fish, now i get this little treat! Keep up the good work
Can’t believe he added a pot plant to each tank
Potted* lol
5:00 ahhh I see what you did there, “Rili” neat
3:16 Red is sus
Umm did anybody else notice that red shrimp swim THROUGH the flower pot at like 3:18 in? 🤨🤔
Interesting Vid Nick this is something I will try at some point but I wouldn't have if it weren't for seeing your experiment. Also I can't wait to receive my tiger hillstream loaches tomorrow I'm really pleased I got them and the last 9 too woohoo.
- Wow, *some of those shrimp* came out so pretty. 🦐🦐🦐
3:52 “eventually they’ll all become brown” this is called, in genetics terms and I’m talking what I remember from yr 12 biology, ‘regression towards the mean’. The average colour, their wild natural camo colour, will be dominant and the average or mean colour. It’s like gold fish, they’ll all become brown with enough generations. The big surprise for me is that they seem to express their colours as mostly 100% one or 100% another colour, I haven’t seen half blue/half yellow shrimp for example, there is the banded grey/black ones of course so there are genes mixing. I dig what you set out to achieve here, very interesting and that you’re colour blind is even more amazing.
Could you try this with Caridinas? The different mixing with Caridinas would be sooo cool to see
Keeping fish shrimple 🦐
I remember reading on a Reddit post or something that mixing colours would just result in clear and brown shrimp too but that didn't happen with mine. I was breeding blues and would cull shrimp that either weren't vibrant enough, didn't have solid colour, or had stripes/patterns that I didn't want. I put all of the blue culls in a seperate tank, and of course they started breeding in there, and somehow I ended up with blues of all sorts of shades and different patterns, solid reds, a few clear and browns. Months later I started breeding yellow shrimp and would put the yellow culls in with the blue culls. The cull tank now has every possible pattern and shade of blue, a few reds, clears, yellows of different shades and patterns, and green. There was also a singular shrimp with a bright red head and a light blue body which was probably my favourite random colour to come from this. Most of them have really cool colours and patterns, only a small amount of them are clear or brown.
I don't know anything about shrimp genetics but I am pretty certain that if you left the tank for a really long time it would not become all wild type. Certainly there would be more wild types if the shrimp carried those genes, but not all.
The colors could only be bred out if they were disadvantageous. Without any interference, no predators, and no pressures, the genes will not go "extinct". There may be more hidden (Recessive) gene shrimp that look wild type, but they will be able to produce colorful babies eventually.
It's the same reason "red hair" won't disappear from the human population- my parents carry the red hair genes so I have reddish hair, my siblings dont have red hair but they have a chance of carrying it on. even if you can't see it, its there.
6:04 Bloody Marys?
Man, the industry missed an opportunity here to call them "Sherries"
I remember when you first set up these shrimp tanks and after seeing your results I might try it aswell since I do have a few spare tanks I could set back up lol
Started writing up a paper in my head and "it crashed and went to shit" is hilarious
The orange and red tank has two shrimps that I would consider sunset orange
You do know that red is like the default just like the black speckled in no light, that's why they use infrared cameras in the deep
I think you should change tank color background to desired shrimp color then predict the shrimp color and run your experiment scientific enough and a little less random
Understanding genetics and how certain genes are prominent allows us to understand why some breeding creates monocolor offspring while others create the striped shrimp.
I've put orange, red and green all together, so far I've got some wild type offsprings but it's a bit soon to tell in the long run.
Yeah I think that tank has a portal to another dimension and they shrimp are slipping through 😂
Note: "Pot plant" means something different in the States.
Science isn’t an index of immutable facts. It is this process in the video. Start with an observation that leads to a question you want to test. Usually that’s a hypothesis. Model an experiment. Record observations and come to a conclusion. Share results for peer review.
Perfectly scientific.
Could you please do a automatic water change in-depth video.
I’m in the middle of doing this at the moment and would love some ideas
Thanks mate
3:17 what just happened there?
It just went into the shadow of the pot.
@@jouaienttoi Oh ok it looked pretty weird the first time I saw it.
This guy deserves more views and subs!
They're really cute. Must be fun!
Time stamp 3.18, what did I just see!!? #PhaseShiftingShrimp
🎶Let's Do The Time-warp again🎶
Exactly what I was about to comment on! 😮
3:18
It’s a ghost shrimp
Some glitch in matrix
3:17 is that shrimp a ghost? It swims directly through a solid object
So cool!! Tysm!!
The results don't surprise me : By mixing a lot of shrimps, you obtained the average of their color (very basically)
Can you also do a brackish tank? I find them soo interesting :)
3:18 that red shrimp jumped dimensions
😂
Well making Bloodymary quality shrimp is a good outcome if not the exciting outcome you were after
The orange and reds, there are a lot of nice colored orange shrimp in there not so many yellow ;😊
Where does that red shrimp go at 3:17
It just went into the shadow of the pot.
3:16 cgi looking shrimp vanishes into the pot😂
3:16 pay attention to the red shrimp
Do you keep a stat sheet with all the data. This could help a lot