French person here, these locks are extremely common in France, for most you don't need to push the handle to turn it. Anyways thanks to you I got to see the mechanism inside them, and I've been wondering about it since I was a kid
im locksmith myself & i can tell u i dont see this type of "overlay lock" often ( i google translated it so correct me if its not called like that in english ) i guess they are rare outside of paris, fyi overlay locks are used in supplement of the regular european barel & there is sometimes 2 of em + the barel in my region overlay locks are made mandatory if u want the assurance to reimburse u after a burglary. Im not parisian so i wont assume its the same everywhere in france =)
hey bud, this was absolutely amazing, and honestly a nice way to demonstrate a tubular lock since they’re usually not (non-destructively) guttable. thanks for sharing it! request! perhaps a video on the most interesting (or just your favorite) keys in your collection? I’d watch the heck out of that!
54 of the now decommissioned Nuclear silos used 2 cheap Chicago double sided locks. They both were 10 ft. apart or so and took 2 people to turn them to activate the missile. You can see this at the Titan Missile Museum near Tucson Arizona south on interstate 19. They sell duplicates from the original keys there. You can probably get them from their web site. They are just Chicago double sided keys.
These keys remind me of the "Changeling" key from "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine". In the episode "Vortex" (S01-E11), an alien shows Odo a special key made out of Changeling material. When the owner wishes to use the key, it morphs into the shape needed to open the lock. The key was cylindrical, with several vanes radiating out - very much like the keys in this episode! Presumably, the Changeling key offered added security by morphing into shape only for its actual owner, but this was not fully explained. This key secured something most precious - the alien's daughter who was locked in a stasis chamber.
@LockPickingLawyer: I have one of these on my front door, fitted about 25 years ago. One drawback is that solitary wasps seek out holes just about the size of the keyway to lay their eggs in. They then seal up the keyway with "paper". Ours was out of commission for a year before I could get it working again, but fortunately we have two locks and the other one is a standard Yale-style.
Honestly though, a bunch of wasps flying out of a lock when you try to pick it has got to be the best deterrent I've ever heard of. That's the stuff of nightmares.
@@namelessminionveinreaver3763 sadly, they'd just be baby wasps, if they've hatched at all. But did give me a fun idea. A person could go collect a large amount of bees and contain them inside of a treasure chest, then leave the treasure chest outside with just a Master lock securing it, then set up a bunch of cameras and wait for someone to get interested in seeing what's inside.... Instant viral video for CZcams!!!
Sadly it's slightly easier than a 25 pin Master Lock because it a 25 pin Master Lock that would actually take forever to pick cuz you have to figure out which pin is binding out of the 25 options you have Master Lock if you read this comment please make this happen it would be sleepy the most pick resistant lock you've ever made
It occurs to me that anyone with a cordless drill and a common screwdriver bit could bypass the lock entirely in seconds. Why are the fasteners that hold the lock assembly in place on the unsecure side of the lock again?
@@TestECull Notice how long the cylinder is? It's designed to be screwed to the door from the inside. Notice when LPL showed the "press-then-turn" button there are four holes for mounting. The extra long cylinder goes through a little hole in the door, where the keyhole will barely jut out of the door's outside surface. So to unscrew the mechanism from the outside, an attacker needs to know precisely where the fasteners are, and drill through a thick door panel to reach them. That will take time and increase the probability a thief will get caught.
I'm in France (bordering Paris), and my grandma has one of these as one of her front door locks, and yeah, it dates back from the 70s. It can be turned up to 3 times fully to open / close the door though ! Also, hers doesn't need to be pushed down on the turning knob side. So well, I guess that one that needs to be picked 18 times combined with 2 other locks would be a pretty long deal for the average burglar :>
Man that’s a beautiful key. I read an article in Locksmith Ledger (years ago) about a custom lock/hardware manufacturer in Paris that’s been making locks for hundreds of years. The hardware was incredible, really medieval surface mount multi point systems that were works of art. They would even make parts out gold and gold plating. Really cool stuff. I like your channel, great stuff.
Reg Rock surface mounted hardware is much easier to replace/repair. Also, if you're going to repaint or even change the door, you can easily remove it. French company Securystar offers lots of varieties. German company Obst GmbH from Berlin makes threepoint locks, they can heavily customize their stuff.
This was pretty common in France as a secondary lock. Especially when the main lock was not a 3-point lock. It was cheaper to fit 1 or 2 of those to add extra locking points than replacing the entire door. With 3-point locks becoming more common over the years, these secondary locks have progressively disappeared. But you can still find them on old houses and apartments, or on secondary wooden buildings (barn, tool shed, etc).
ZaC kWinz except of course you still have more of them than in many other places that don’t have those particular laws. You’re ascribing the wrong motivations to your lack of criminals.
I used to have a lock with a cilinder embedded in the door with a shaft driving the mechanism on the inside of the door on my house as well when I bought it. I got it replaced with the more modern system, which uses a double Euro cylinder.
I love these videos. I have no idea what you're actually doing to pick these locks but it's fascinating watching. 🙂 The brute force and gallium methods are hilarious tho'!
Basically, you lift the two pins until the point where they are separated hits the shear line of the lock. The shear line is where the lock's core is able to turn in the lock body. Lockpickers take advantage of slight manufacturing defects where some pins bind up before others to defeat the lock. One pin might be bigger than the others or the holes for the pins might be drilled very slightly out of line. If you want more info search for "MIT Guide to Lock Picking" for basic info. And don't pick *any* lock you don't own or have the express permission of the owner to open. A Burglary charge isn't something you want to deal with.
Ha-ha! Living in France, I have this exact model on my door, reminiscent from the previous occupants. Local insurance companies demand (at least) 3 locking points on the front door. Going to replace it ASAP! 😅
Most burglars would opt for destructive entry but when you see how easy a lock is to pick, it doesn’t exactly bring peace of mind to know it’s on your front door.
@@PDeRop I agree with you that he has fantastic skills but I think that anyone could pick this. It looks about as hard as a clear plastic practice lock.
I would love it if you made a two part video. One where you picked it and took it apart. And a part two where you re-assemble the lock. Because I just want to watch you put a lock back together.
Wait, you mean it's possible to take something apart and then put it back together??? I've never been able to do that before. I think you're lying to me.
Very cool picking on an intimidating lock, at least it looked intimidating until you started picking. That key looks like a pocket ripper... thanks for sharing.
The key is perfect, it's very small for a 5-pin key, actually, and it's the other way around: it has no sharp edges like those on brand new standard pins, and it's round-shaped. Actually, I would love having these locks in way more secure versions available. (Note that I'm not in France anymore where these are common.)
@@Jamesnebula They were _obscure_ not _secure_ . They just kept the lazy ones out. Any criminal that wants can amazon these locks and figure them out, improving their skill set. Expensive, but call it an investment. But for us 'ordinary' people trying to make informed choices in our quest to keep the criminal out it is Way too expensive to try all these locks, just not feasible. In any case, these videos have made me more aware of security and locks in my home.
@@FroggyMosh Don't let the apparent ease with which LPL opens most locks worry you too much. The average criminal has nowhere near his level of skill, and isn't working in a well-lit workshop with a full set of tools.
I had an identical lock on my door in Paris, and it was made by POLLUX. I believe “Central” is a “marque déposée” made by Pollux, and while it may indeed be “vintage” they are still made, and extremely commonplace in France today.
I have a vechette in my collection(another similar/same mechanism). I hadn't disassembled it, but thanks to you I don't think I need to 🤔😉😘😘👍 Thanks for sharing a piece of history and something different 👍🍺😘
Interesting! This lock is indeed extremely common in France. They are usually found in low security applications. For instance there are several of them in my building; they are used in the common areas (e.g. for residents to access the parking areas)
Watching this video I can see one thing that locksmith could learn. The reset mechanism that pops back everything while turning the lock really ups the time required. It is not so much about making the lock "Unpick-able" and more about "making it take long enough the burglar/thief/spy risks getting caught". And forcing someone to pick the same lock multiple times is a real neat way of doing that.
As a retired journeyman machinist I have to say that that lock body would be a lot of trouble to manufacture without modern CNC machine tools. Just look at the drilling and slots. That lock is really nuts.
I find your presentations of great interest from a mathematical point of view. How the locks are designed and picked. Also, what amazes me is that you have specific tools for every small task. Very interesting. You must spend a lot of time studying these locks. You can write a book as well. Thanks
These types of locks or other ones that stay in position we mostly have on the backdoor. The frontdoor always has a lock that falls back in place, but might have one of these located at the top of the door as extra.
That is so nice!! I've always wanted to have one of these locks and a few others like the pollux. However, I've never been able to afford one haha. Thank you so much for sharing! Excellent video as always.
Considering that this is a form of tubular lock and all the springs and driver pins are the same, could an impressioning tool be made for this lock? I also like how you had to undo four screws, then three, then two and then one.
Impressioning tools for locks like this DO actually exist... Even though you definitely need to be an "authorized locksmith" or law enforcement or know someone to have access to one. Impossible to get otherwise and BTW I'm French and live in well... France ! Fun fact: These impressioning tools are literally called "umbrellas" in French (Parapluie) !
rack and pinion mechanism, the full lock is two complete 360 revolutions, usually with an additional 180 from the internal knob, if it has a through keyway, you can leave the key in on the inside effectively blocking the outer keyway, and then picking from the outside is stymied because you can't get to the pins. the advantage is that unlike wedge latches that can be forced., the bolt is a solid lump. there are more solid side racked bolts too, this being the current standard in France. it's a shame fitting euro sections is not possible as the design hasn't cganged since about 1900
What a coincidence! Yesterday I noticed a key like that at work and was wondering what it was. Now I know! It was locking an old safe packed with useless tapes from the 70/80's
Merci, seen these around indeed, never got to disassemble one. That's more reminiscent of old houses; everywhere else it's the boring yale kind of key (which is arguably easier to carry too). My old house front gate used to have that old looking key with a single pin at the end. I kind of miss that.
The key looked so imposing at fist blush... That rudimentary rack and pinion gearing to turn the bolt is very cool though, certainly not a cheaply-made lock!
This is heavy duty lock, often found on garage doors exposed to bad weather. Maybe not really efficient against lockpicking but it would never fail you, frozen in winter, no problem, heat it up, the mecanism can cope it, rusted, dirty... no big deal force a little more, the key won't break. the wooden door is deformed by humidity so the bolt forces in the housing.... no problem. Also, it's a 720° clenching, so you have to double your 5 pickings to open.
As a French person, I can confirm this type of lock is nearly everywhere, although the pushing mechanism, and the movement fashion aren't usual. Normally you have a round thing that you can turn, and it has a fixed rotation, meaning each time you rotate it X degrees to move the "shackle" with a specified length. You can also have some that freely turns like this one, but I've never seen the pushing mechanism
yeah, pretty much all entrance door locks over here are built into these relatively solid blocks, just as solid as the doors we use, so you can't just force the door open from the outside without a tool, that's the main thought behind it. It's rarely such a big, hefty bolt like this, but the lock frame is always solid
I have a Fichet coming that looks similar but it's key is tapered a bit. It probably functions in the same way. That is a very cool lock & key. Would be tricky with security pin's in it.🍺😎
So, the lock is basically surface mounted on the inside of the door with just a relatively small hole drilled through the door for the keyway / cylinder to go through the door. I could see a certain advantage to that in that it does not weaken the door as much by putting a large hole in it like with the deadbolts in most US homes. Another advantage would be that it wouldn't be that difficult to modify it so that it could be located in the center of the door with bars that went to each side of the door, thus acting as a deadbolt on each side OR even multiple deadbolts on a single side. Maybe the lock itself needs a bit of improvement to make it LPL-proof, but since your typical burglar is going to try to kick in the door, it does hold some promise in that aspect since it looks like it could be modified fairly easily to have multiple bars activated at the same time.
Security companies should start playing around with the idea of a lock that needs to be picked a lot, rather than be hard to pick, yea? If someone can get through it anyway, make it have a higher minimum picking time?
Pick-resistant locks do actually exist: Take the Abloy Protec for disk detainer type And the Fichet Sans Souci for lever type There are so many more very pick resistant lever locks... In fact safe/vault locks in Europe are actually lever-type.
Pick resistance is a lock that is difficult to pick. Which again, would be the current model of security in locks. I literally meant a lock that is made in a way you have to pick it multiple times, regardless of how resistant it is to picking. Like the lock in the video. Which has very little pick resistance, yet still took near a minute due to needing to be picked SIX TIMES.
@@finchwaddledog5026 LPL is wrong, most people lock these by turning the key twice, so he would need to pick this 14 times, not just 6. I don't see a thief standing in the open trying to pick this for 8-9 minutes while it's really obvious what they are doing...
I'm sure it's easy to spot wear or witness marks on the pins with a flashlight so each pin can be "sight picked" and and an easy impression or jig can be made to use for a key because it looks easy to see how far the pins need to be pushed in
I had that kind of key for my apartment in Paris. One day I broke it inside the lock and the locksmith just drilled a hole in the key, and used a screw to remove it from the lock. Then I was able to use a spare key to open. Because the key is round it was easy to drill a hole in it.
Took longer to pick than most modern locks this channel covers. Although I bet you could make an impressioning tool if you encountered this style often enough.
Here's a good idea add some serrations to the long pins and turn the shorter ones into spools and see how much the lock improves. I'd imagine this would make it probably one of the most decent tubular locks in existence since the same old designs used over and over.
Very interesting lock and description! Thank you. Also, what was the tiny little light you used inside the lock? Where can they be purchased? Finally, what reference did you say described the lock as hard to tension? Thanks again.
I've recently acquired 2 different models of WB padlocks. One of them looks like it might be from the 1800's. Old as dirt anyway. The older looking one says property of DOUGLAS GUARDIAN WAREHOUSE CORP. Both are 5 standard pin locks. The old one has NO warding in the key way and I still can't pick it. I was able to shim it open and rake it open but I've yet to SPP.
Someone watching this video after the lock was disassembled might think those are parts from a 5 chamber revolver. Interesting design, even though it is not a secure lock.
Particularly nice and great picking. I'm curious if this lock would be susceptible to the plug spinner "attack"? Just sitting here watching all of your tubular lock pick vids. Very exciting!!! But yeah, if you could put this question to the test, that'd be great. Thank you. I appreciate your videos.
I've got several of these on my house. Always wondered what sort of locks they were. Now I know.. THANK YOU! I had it in my head that due to the complex look of the key, these locks would be a REAL challenge for even seasoned pickers. You've just shown me how wrong I was. There again, most locks first defense is more of deterrent I guess so looking at the keyway, an amateur would panic and think twice.
They would be a deterrent if you turn the key twice, so he would need to pick this 14 times, not just 6. I don't see a thief standing in the open trying to pick this for 8-9 minutes while it's really obvious what they are doing...
At 2:19 you mention "Pulford treatise". I tried Googling it but didn't really find anything (maybe my spelling is off). So, what is a "Pulford treatise" ?
Man, I hate that kind of screws. These were also used in old furniture. When I had to get rid of the cupboard I preferred to demolish it instead of using screwdriver.
I had keys like that for my appartement in Paris, super common, so common that when I came to the US and got a set of keys for my house I was like WTF are these flat super light weight keys?? Are these for my mail box?? lol
You could almost wear one of those keys as a necklace pendant. It would be fun to machine some pin in pin pins for this with a couple of trees and spools thrown in
Hi Harry, Interesting lock and pick, could possibly be made by the same company that makes locks for the French safe Co. Fichet. or Fichet Bauche I think. The locks are called Monopole, and there are variations, but certain similarities to your lock. Would love to see the key machine that produces these keys! Regards, Brian.
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French person here, these locks are extremely common in France, for most you don't need to push the handle to turn it. Anyways thanks to you I got to see the mechanism inside them, and I've been wondering about it since I was a kid
Common ?! I’ve never see one in my entire life... xD
@@FelicitationHumain the only person I know who uses this is my grandmother
Had one of those on the chambre de bonne i was renting
@@FelicitationHumain : They are more common in Paris, I assume.
im locksmith myself & i can tell u i dont see this type of "overlay lock" often ( i google translated it so correct me if its not called like that in english )
i guess they are rare outside of paris, fyi overlay locks are used in supplement of the regular european barel & there is sometimes 2 of em + the barel
in my region overlay locks are made mandatory if u want the assurance to reimburse u after a burglary.
Im not parisian so i wont assume its the same everywhere in france =)
hey bud, this was absolutely amazing, and honestly a nice way to demonstrate a tubular lock since they’re usually not (non-destructively) guttable. thanks for sharing it!
request! perhaps a video on the most interesting (or just your favorite) keys in your collection? I’d watch the heck out of that!
That’s for the suggestion. I like it.
The key looks like something you would launch a nuclear weapon with
Agreed. All bark, no bite.
54 of the now decommissioned Nuclear silos used 2 cheap Chicago double sided locks. They both were 10 ft. apart or so and took 2 people to turn them to activate the missile. You can see this at the Titan Missile Museum near Tucson Arizona south on interstate 19. They sell duplicates from the original keys there. You can probably get them from their web site. They are just Chicago double sided keys.
Looks secure
But has the security of Saran Wrap
Everyone knows that the security code was 0000000
@@maxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmax1 Don't be ridiculous it was 11111111, so it wasn't that unsafe 😉😃
These keys remind me of the "Changeling" key from "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine". In the episode "Vortex" (S01-E11), an alien shows Odo a special key made out of Changeling material. When the owner wishes to use the key, it morphs into the shape needed to open the lock. The key was cylindrical, with several vanes radiating out - very much like the keys in this episode!
Presumably, the Changeling key offered added security by morphing into shape only for its actual owner, but this was not fully explained. This key secured something most precious - the alien's daughter who was locked in a stasis chamber.
@LockPickingLawyer: I have one of these on my front door, fitted about 25 years ago. One drawback is that solitary wasps seek out holes just about the size of the keyway to lay their eggs in. They then seal up the keyway with "paper". Ours was out of commission for a year before I could get it working again, but fortunately we have two locks and the other one is a standard Yale-style.
Maybe come up with some kind of plug to keep out the wasps.
spiff2268
Or just add a swing cover.
Honestly though, a bunch of wasps flying out of a lock when you try to pick it has got to be the best deterrent I've ever heard of. That's the stuff of nightmares.
@@namelessminionveinreaver3763 sadly, they'd just be baby wasps, if they've hatched at all. But did give me a fun idea. A person could go collect a large amount of bees and contain them inside of a treasure chest, then leave the treasure chest outside with just a Master lock securing it, then set up a bunch of cameras and wait for someone to get interested in seeing what's inside.... Instant viral video for CZcams!!!
So, like a 25 pin Master Lock?
Lol. Yes.
With the same horrible bitting duplicated 5 times in a row, yes
Sadly it's slightly easier than a 25 pin Master Lock because it a 25 pin Master Lock that would actually take forever to pick cuz you have to figure out which pin is binding out of the 25 options you have Master Lock if you read this comment please make this happen it would be sleepy the most pick resistant lock you've ever made
What if someone creates this lock but with springs behind the spring so you have to pick all at 1 time😳
@@noahswindler7461 Thats a Spiffing avatar mate
“That’s a driver pin. You can tell it’s a driver pin because of the way it is”
_Cue Banjo Chord playing volume_
was just thinking that, like what exactly is giving it away as opposed to the other pins of random sizes xD
I'm gonna guess because it fell out immediately after a spring. It was at the top of the pin stack.
That's pretty *NEAT*
I suppose that, in 2018, the one advantage of this key format is that you can't replicate it from a photo.
Great video and expedient work!
Probably defeat-able with a short video clip and 3D printing though
Coming to the channel for the first time **pfft what's cool about a guy picking locks**
...3 hous later (damn) :|
You fell down the rabbit hole too?
I guarantee at least 2.3 million of the subs on this channel never cared about lockpicking before the algorithm brought them here.
Yeah this is everyone's life that finds LPL.....
I'm here because it was mentioned in the comments of a car video 🤣
Deter intruders with the power of: ***monotony***
After the third picking, the thief just gives up and go to a different house 😆
It occurs to me that anyone with a cordless drill and a common screwdriver bit could bypass the lock entirely in seconds. Why are the fasteners that hold the lock assembly in place on the unsecure side of the lock again?
@@TestECull Notice how long the cylinder is? It's designed to be screwed to the door from the inside. Notice when LPL showed the "press-then-turn" button there are four holes for mounting.
The extra long cylinder goes through a little hole in the door, where the keyhole will barely jut out of the door's outside surface.
So to unscrew the mechanism from the outside, an attacker needs to know precisely where the fasteners are, and drill through a thick door panel to reach them. That will take time and increase the probability a thief will get caught.
I'm in France (bordering Paris), and my grandma has one of these as one of her front door locks, and yeah, it dates back from the 70s.
It can be turned up to 3 times fully to open / close the door though !
Also, hers doesn't need to be pushed down on the turning knob side.
So well, I guess that one that needs to be picked 18 times combined with 2 other locks would be a pretty long deal for the average burglar :>
I remember being annoyed at those when being a child, for having to turn, turn and turn again😠 for no good reason I could see...
Man that’s a beautiful key. I read an article in Locksmith Ledger (years ago) about a custom lock/hardware manufacturer in Paris that’s been making locks for hundreds of years. The hardware was incredible, really medieval surface mount multi point systems that were works of art. They would even make parts out gold and gold plating. Really cool stuff. I like your channel, great stuff.
Reg Rock surface mounted hardware is much easier to replace/repair. Also, if you're going to repaint or even change the door, you can easily remove it. French company Securystar offers lots of varieties. German company Obst GmbH from Berlin makes threepoint locks, they can heavily customize their stuff.
This was pretty common in France as a secondary lock. Especially when the main lock was not a 3-point lock. It was cheaper to fit 1 or 2 of those to add extra locking points than replacing the entire door.
With 3-point locks becoming more common over the years, these secondary locks have progressively disappeared. But you can still find them on old houses and apartments, or on secondary wooden buildings (barn, tool shed, etc).
It's common in France , not in the rest of Europe
Very common in Italy also. 👍
Wolf The "bolt on the inside, cylinder in hole in door" concept is also common in Denmark (with ASSA/RUKO pin tumbler locks).
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 Poland also
ZaC kWinz except of course you still have more of them than in many other places that don’t have those particular laws. You’re ascribing the wrong motivations to your lack of criminals.
I used to have a lock with a cilinder embedded in the door with a shaft driving the mechanism on the inside of the door on my house as well when I bought it. I got it replaced with the more modern system, which uses a double Euro cylinder.
I love these videos. I have no idea what you're actually doing to pick these locks but it's fascinating watching. 🙂 The brute force and gallium methods are hilarious tho'!
Basically, you lift the two pins until the point where they are separated hits the shear line of the lock. The shear line is where the lock's core is able to turn in the lock body. Lockpickers take advantage of slight manufacturing defects where some pins bind up before others to defeat the lock. One pin might be bigger than the others or the holes for the pins might be drilled very slightly out of line.
If you want more info search for "MIT Guide to Lock Picking" for basic info. And don't pick *any* lock you don't own or have the express permission of the owner to open. A Burglary charge isn't something you want to deal with.
CO Jones Thanks! I'm not planning on starting a criminal career at my age so I think my neighbours are safe! 🙂
Nice nostalgia moment. My granma had one like this on her door. Such sweet memories that old flat of hers holds... Thanks a lot for that :)
Ha-ha! Living in France, I have this exact model on my door, reminiscent from the previous occupants. Local insurance companies demand (at least) 3 locking points on the front door.
Going to replace it ASAP! 😅
A lock like this on your front door seems fine. Burglars don't pick locks. And remember.. the lockpicking lawyer makes this look easy.
Have this as well as a new lock. It's very cool
Most burglars would opt for destructive entry but when you see how easy a lock is to pick, it doesn’t exactly bring peace of mind to know it’s on your front door.
@@PDeRop I agree with you that he has fantastic skills but I think that anyone could pick this. It looks about as hard as a clear plastic practice lock.
Douglas E Knapp do you pick locks?
I would love to see you put a lock back together after you dissect it!
I would love it if you made a two part video. One where you picked it and took it apart. And a part two where you re-assemble the lock. Because I just want to watch you put a lock back together.
LPL ASMR
Wait, you mean it's possible to take something apart and then put it back together??? I've never been able to do that before. I think you're lying to me.
@@since1876 IKR
Everything I've ever touched has disintgrated on contact! I've had a trained professional type this comment for me.
Very cool picking on an intimidating lock, at least it looked intimidating until you started picking. That key looks like a pocket ripper... thanks for sharing.
The key is perfect, it's very small for a 5-pin key, actually, and it's the other way around: it has no sharp edges like those on brand new standard pins, and it's round-shaped. Actually, I would love having these locks in way more secure versions available. (Note that I'm not in France anymore where these are common.)
Tom Hejda You could snag a old one on eBay and repin it yourself with some custom security pins
Before this guy, many intimidating locks were secure but I guess criminals of have to feed their families as well.
@@Jamesnebula They were _obscure_ not _secure_ . They just kept the lazy ones out.
Any criminal that wants can amazon these locks and figure them out, improving their skill set. Expensive, but call it an investment.
But for us 'ordinary' people trying to make informed choices in our quest to keep the criminal out it is Way too expensive to try all these locks, just not feasible.
In any case, these videos have made me more aware of security and locks in my home.
@@FroggyMosh Don't let the apparent ease with which LPL opens most locks worry you too much. The average criminal has nowhere near his level of skill, and isn't working in a well-lit workshop with a full set of tools.
I had an identical lock on my door in Paris, and it was made by POLLUX. I believe “Central” is a “marque déposée” made by Pollux, and while it may indeed be “vintage” they are still made, and extremely commonplace in France today.
I have a vechette in my collection(another similar/same mechanism).
I hadn't disassembled it, but thanks to you I don't think I need to 🤔😉😘😘👍
Thanks for sharing a piece of history and something different 👍🍺😘
Interesting! This lock is indeed extremely common in France. They are usually found in low security applications. For instance there are several of them in my building; they are used in the common areas (e.g. for residents to access the parking areas)
It’s actually commonly used for flats in Paris ... I’m going to change mine right now 😂
Watching this video I can see one thing that locksmith could learn.
The reset mechanism that pops back everything while turning the lock really ups the time required.
It is not so much about making the lock "Unpick-able" and more about "making it take long enough the burglar/thief/spy risks getting caught".
And forcing someone to pick the same lock multiple times is a real neat way of doing that.
I love these vintage lock videos.
My virtual collection!
That's one funky key. Thanks for sharing, never seen one of these before.
As a retired journeyman machinist I have to say that that lock body would be a lot of trouble to manufacture without modern CNC machine tools. Just look at the drilling and slots. That lock is really nuts.
I find your presentations of great interest from a mathematical point of view. How the locks are designed and picked. Also, what amazes me is that you have specific tools for every small task. Very interesting. You must spend a lot of time studying these locks. You can write a book as well. Thanks
Amazing. Love the box in the box, in the box, in the box deal with the screws!!! Cool vid...
Briarberrycove I wonder if removing that extremely exposed big screw would be enough to repin it. (Note that this screw is normally inside the door).
Simple yet fascinating. Thanks for showing it off!
Extremely cool looking keys. Strange design behind it. Love it! Thanks for sharing.
These types of locks or other ones that stay in position we mostly have on the backdoor. The frontdoor always has a lock that falls back in place, but might have one of these located at the top of the door as extra.
You should start a museum!!! At least a digital one!!
I LOVE THAT LITTLE LOCK YES IT'S A GREAT BUT SIMPLE PICK, THANK YOU. Robbie from Huyton UK
That is so nice!! I've always wanted to have one of these locks and a few others like the pollux. However, I've never been able to afford one haha. Thank you so much for sharing! Excellent video as always.
Thanks.
Considering that this is a form of tubular lock and all the springs and driver pins are the same, could an impressioning tool be made for this lock?
I also like how you had to undo four screws, then three, then two and then one.
Yes... an impressioning tool could be made, but not worth the effort at all.
Impressioning tools for locks like this DO actually exist...
Even though you definitely need to be an "authorized locksmith" or law enforcement or know someone to have access to one.
Impossible to get otherwise and BTW I'm French and live in well... France !
Fun fact: These impressioning tools are literally called "umbrellas" in French (Parapluie) !
its almost like the bar moving, is like a lock-picking progress bar ;D 2:55
rack and pinion mechanism, the full lock is two complete 360 revolutions, usually with an additional 180 from the internal knob, if it has a through keyway, you can leave the key in on the inside effectively blocking the outer keyway, and then picking from the outside is stymied because you can't get to the pins.
the advantage is that unlike wedge latches that can be forced., the bolt is a solid lump.
there are more solid side racked bolts too, this being the current standard in France.
it's a shame fitting euro sections is not possible as the design hasn't cganged since about 1900
Great video brother a. What a cool lock. Thanks for sharing it with us
Repetitive deterrents can be a good addition.
Just knowing it will take 4 times longer could make you reach for a much faster, if destructive, option.
Hammer it in. It probably was attached into the wooden door with just wood screws.
Destruktion means noise, and detectabilty
What a coincidence! Yesterday I noticed a key like that at work and was wondering what it was. Now I know! It was locking an old safe packed with useless tapes from the 70/80's
Merci, seen these around indeed, never got to disassemble one.
That's more reminiscent of old houses; everywhere else it's the boring yale kind of key (which is arguably easier to carry too).
My old house front gate used to have that old looking key with a single pin at the end. I kind of miss that.
Those keys would make for a cool necklace!!!
The key looked so imposing at fist blush...
That rudimentary rack and pinion gearing to turn the bolt is very cool though, certainly not a cheaply-made lock!
That is actually a beautiful looking key. Almost a work of art in itself.
That was a really fun lock, LPL, thanks for sharing.
I wish i could give this video more than 1 like. Love it.
I grew up in a 1930s home in the mid 80s that had one of these on both doors keyed alike. Fun to see one taken apart
The key hole looks like a chocolate starfish! LMADO!🤣🙉🙈🙊
This is heavy duty lock, often found on garage doors exposed to bad weather. Maybe not really efficient against lockpicking but it would never fail you, frozen in winter, no problem, heat it up, the mecanism can cope it, rusted, dirty... no big deal force a little more, the key won't break. the wooden door is deformed by humidity so the bolt forces in the housing.... no problem.
Also, it's a 720° clenching, so you have to double your 5 pickings to open.
What I thought was interesting was that the ends of most of the driver pins were hammered over from use.
5:12 That's a cage gear on a rack.
Like a short throw rack and pinion to move the bolt. Neato!
Your shows are great, but I’d like to learn more about your frontiers - what challenges you? All I see is your triumphs
You do some amazing work
I like that lock!
As a French person, I can confirm this type of lock is nearly everywhere, although the pushing mechanism, and the movement fashion aren't usual. Normally you have a round thing that you can turn, and it has a fixed rotation, meaning each time you rotate it X degrees to move the "shackle" with a specified length. You can also have some that freely turns like this one, but I've never seen the pushing mechanism
Très joli mécanisme!
yeah, pretty much all entrance door locks over here are built into these relatively solid blocks, just as solid as the doors we use, so you can't just force the door open from the outside without a tool, that's the main thought behind it. It's rarely such a big, hefty bolt like this, but the lock frame is always solid
Your alien probe light brought back memories... of my abduction. 👽
I have a Fichet coming that looks similar but it's key is tapered a bit. It probably functions in the same way. That is a very cool lock & key. Would be tricky with security pin's in it.🍺😎
That fichet is very nice. Good purchase.
cool key. I used to collect keys. Not so much anymore. Never seen a key like that. Thanks for the education. :)
Love this odd locks!!
So, the lock is basically surface mounted on the inside of the door with just a relatively small hole drilled through the door for the keyway / cylinder to go through the door. I could see a certain advantage to that in that it does not weaken the door as much by putting a large hole in it like with the deadbolts in most US homes. Another advantage would be that it wouldn't be that difficult to modify it so that it could be located in the center of the door with bars that went to each side of the door, thus acting as a deadbolt on each side OR even multiple deadbolts on a single side. Maybe the lock itself needs a bit of improvement to make it LPL-proof, but since your typical burglar is going to try to kick in the door, it does hold some promise in that aspect since it looks like it could be modified fairly easily to have multiple bars activated at the same time.
The keyhole shape reminds me of the Star Wars' Death Star insignia
1 min and 35 sec.... longest pick on camera. Great job!
Security companies should start playing around with the idea of a lock that needs to be picked a lot, rather than be hard to pick, yea? If someone can get through it anyway, make it have a higher minimum picking time?
Pick-resistant locks do actually exist:
Take the Abloy Protec for disk detainer type
And the Fichet Sans Souci for lever type
There are so many more very pick resistant lever locks...
In fact safe/vault locks in Europe are actually lever-type.
Pick resistance is a lock that is difficult to pick. Which again, would be the current model of security in locks. I literally meant a lock that is made in a way you have to pick it multiple times, regardless of how resistant it is to picking.
Like the lock in the video. Which has very little pick resistance, yet still took near a minute due to needing to be picked SIX TIMES.
So before you try to look smart, be smart. Thanks. Fuckwad.
@@finchwaddledog5026 LPL is wrong, most people lock these by turning the key twice, so he would need to pick this 14 times, not just 6. I don't see a thief standing in the open trying to pick this for 8-9 minutes while it's really obvious what they are doing...
I'm sure it's easy to spot wear or witness marks on the pins with a flashlight so each pin can be "sight picked" and and an easy impression or jig can be made to use for a key because it looks easy to see how far the pins need to be pushed in
We saw you dismantling locks many a time but never mantling one. I hope you do remantle them afterwards.
I had that kind of key for my apartment in Paris. One day I broke it inside the lock and the locksmith just drilled a hole in the key, and used a screw to remove it from the lock. Then I was able to use a spare key to open. Because the key is round it was easy to drill a hole in it.
Took longer to pick than most modern locks this channel covers. Although I bet you could make an impressioning tool if you encountered this style often enough.
Looks like a rack and pinion. Pretty neat.
A fascinating lock mechanism, I wonder why they have disappeared.
Really cool lock and unique key.
Here's a good idea add some serrations to the long pins and turn the shorter ones into spools and see how much the lock improves. I'd imagine this would make it probably one of the most decent tubular locks in existence since the same old designs used over and over.
Very interesting lock and description! Thank you. Also, what was the tiny little light you used inside the lock? Where can they be purchased? Finally, what reference did you say described the lock as hard to tension? Thanks again.
The light is similar to this... banggood.app.link/dzvDMofpzL can’t find the exact one. The book is graham pulfords high security mechanical locks.
It looks really easy to install, with just one smallish hole to drill through the door.
I've recently acquired 2 different models of WB padlocks. One of them looks like it might be from the 1800's.
Old as dirt anyway. The older looking one says property of DOUGLAS GUARDIAN WAREHOUSE CORP. Both are 5 standard pin locks. The old one has NO warding in the key way and I still can't pick it. I was able to shim it open and rake it open but I've yet to SPP.
Beautiful lock well explained. If I ever run in to one its nice to know how to get it open nice spp'd.great lol thanks for sharing buddy. 🌟⭐🌟⭐🌟😎
Someone watching this video after the lock was disassembled might think those are parts from a 5 chamber revolver. Interesting design, even though it is not a secure lock.
That actually took longer to pick open than an Master Lock :)
Particularly nice and great picking. I'm curious if this lock would be susceptible to the plug spinner "attack"? Just sitting here watching all of your tubular lock pick vids. Very exciting!!! But yeah, if you could put this question to the test, that'd be great. Thank you. I appreciate your videos.
That key way reminds of the Star Wars Empire logo ;-)
I've got several of these on my house. Always wondered what sort of locks they were. Now I know.. THANK YOU! I had it in my head that due to the complex look of the key, these locks would be a REAL challenge for even seasoned pickers. You've just shown me how wrong I was. There again, most locks first defense is more of deterrent I guess so looking at the keyway, an amateur would panic and think twice.
They would be a deterrent if you turn the key twice, so he would need to pick this 14 times, not just 6. I don't see a thief standing in the open trying to pick this for 8-9 minutes while it's really obvious what they are doing...
At 2:19 you mention "Pulford treatise". I tried Googling it but didn't really find anything (maybe my spelling is off). So, what is a "Pulford treatise" ?
“High security mechanical locks: an encyclopedic reference” by Graham Pulford.
'Treatise' means commentary, theory or descriptive doccument
Hi! You should try out French Pollux Lock, they have really intricate design in the more recents models.
Great job and video like always
At 4:06, I'm surprised it uses flat-blade screws rather than something like "torx" (star) head screws to hold the front plate on.
Kevin Fegan Age.
Torx was just invented in 1967... not to long before this lock was made. But point taken. Slots suck.
i think generally speaking, you'd call that a scottish yoke, though it's a slightly different application than I've ordinarily seen. good videos LPL.
Man, I hate that kind of screws. These were also used in old furniture. When I had to get rid of the cupboard I preferred to demolish it instead of using screwdriver.
I had keys like that for my appartement in Paris, super common, so common that when I came to the US and got a set of keys for my house I was like WTF are these flat super light weight keys?? Are these for my mail box?? lol
I thought it was going to be a normal-looking key except imagine a bunch of normal-looking keys stuck together at 45 degree angles
Great video as always. Grammar nazi says : " not ''''less pins""" , but '''fewer pins""" to be precise .
One of ur biggest fans in the Bronx.
You could almost wear one of those keys as a necklace pendant. It would be fun to machine some pin in pin pins for this with a couple of trees and spools thrown in
i like this lock just for the security of all the screws
This reminds me my early life when my parents had this French lock near Paris. Unfortunately, we've been burgled.
How cool ! I still have a lock like that on my basement door (im in France ;) )
Mad scientist! Love it!
Hi Harry, Interesting lock and pick, could possibly be made by the same company that makes locks for the French safe Co. Fichet. or Fichet Bauche I think. The locks are called Monopole, and there are variations, but certain similarities to your lock. Would love to see the key machine that produces these keys! Regards, Brian.
I’ve just been reading up on these... lots of variants. A few look very secure.