Isiah Thomas: I would pick LeBron James over Michael Jordan | UNDISPUTED
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- Isiah Thomas weighed in on the LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan debate and also talked Game 1 of the 2017 NBA Finals.
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Isiah Thomas: I would pick LeBron James over Michael Jordan | UNDISPUTED
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Jordan or LeBron?
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 king James
Still Jordan
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Jordan. That's not even a question. LBJ should be compared more to Bird or Magic. But in all honesty, he is not better than either of them.
Jordan
LeBron
"Kareem lost one game in high school, Kareem lost one game in college". At that point Skip knew the debate is over. It was fun to watch :D
HOVD nobody cares about highschool or college lol
@Topinka Hatt great point lol, it proves you got no credibility to call anyone unintelligent.
@Topinka Hatt read again what I said before and try to find out why you're being dumb (again).
@Topinka Hatt lol you're just a waste of time
@@guilhermevieira6010 but people bring up worthy and jordan from north Carolina, even when this man mj twice and mj said not to have him on dream team y'all say Isaiah is hating and bitter but he beat mj out twice and highscool and college have hall of fames and retire jersey too, so yeah you know nothing about basketball
Skip got owned. He cant talk back to Isiah like how he rants on others
John Jais i can see the respect Skip has for Isaiah
Michael McMillan
1988 Conference Semifinals
1989 Conference Finals
1990 Conference Finals (which went to a seventh game)
Isaiah would have never pulled this on Stephen A Smith or Max Kellerman. They would have made him a laughing stock for his statement.
Michael McMillan because those pistons boys had to punch and elbow Jordan in the ribs because they couldn’t guard him lol and once the playing fields were even the pistons got smashed lol nice try
@Michael McMillan lol
"How much of Kareem's success came from Magic?"
You'll never catch Skip asking the same about Pippen for Jordan.
Pippen is not top 10 all-time though, so obviously is impact wasn't the same. Also Pippen was never finals MVP.
Your point is still somewhat valid though.
Are you asking how much of Jordans success came from pippen or how much of pippens success came from Jordan?
@@abdicolestudios8899 Both, but with jordan regarded as the goat, of course most people tend to ask themselves the first one
ABDICOLE STUDIOS didn’t get outta the first round without him and one every single one with him they helped each other.
Of course not, it wouldn't fit to his Lebron hate, Kareem disrespect, trolling and continuing of the myth of MJ functional to the slander on Kareem and Lebron.
Love How Isaiah checked the crowd
That Chicago doesn’t go away. 😂
He was smooth, classy and a shade of ratchet at the same time 😂
The man said he would pick LeBron over Mj his opinion, just like I would take Peyton over Brady... It's called CHOICE.... half of you nerds NEVER even watched Mj play
THANK YOU!!!
Kegan Hall little 12 year old nerds have a problem when you don't agree with their opinion.
I think saying Peyton over Brady is insane but you're more than welcome to your opinion. Why you say Peyton is better than Brady?
How about letting Tracy McGrady? He picked LeBron. How about letting a Chicago Bull Scottie Pippen? Before the media backlash he said Jordan's the greatest scorer but LeBron could be the Greatest player Of All Time. How about letting a Celtic Larry Bird? He said LeBron may go down as the best out of all of them.
Jordan Jockriders finally getting exposed because the PLAYERS are picking LeBron.
Alex Spofford Because from watching both their whole Careers Peyton has actually always been better than Brady, better iQ he was the defensive coverage read master, better arm, he carried the Colts. Brady is great too but he most of the time had a great defense, has the best coach EVER, was not causing defenses headaches like Peyton could. Peyton has 4 MVPs if I'm not mistaken, Peyton got injured and his team couldn't win, Brady got injured and Patriots still win games. Peyton could've went undefeated Colts SB year but HC was afraid of injury last gm of season (rightfully so), Peyton has better numbers across the board, the eye test tells me Peyton was better, just like the eye test shows Rodgers is the best now suffering from the same thing Peyton had to endure (as a Colt) no defense to help him. Brady lucky 2 SBs the opposite team had an opportunity to run the ball in a crucial situation to beat Patriots (Seahawks, Falcons) he still a great QB but not better than Peyton to me.
For all you folks that don't like LeBron James just remember his name pays the bills on this show. . That's just facts. The Undisputed show is sitting in the middle of Golden State surrounded by 90% Golden State fans and who are they talking about ??
DWC10377 straight facts.
That was 🔥!
OH LAWD!!!
DWC10377 Factsssssss
haha you burned this curry fans saying jordan is better than lebron. haha
Finally someone who played the game at the highest level sits down and actually talks with sense
Sam might be biased by the guy who ended his championship run and had him eliminated from the Dream Team
@@thomasdematteo2281 exactly😂😂😂 I can’t believe nobody in these comments pointed that out in 5 years. Isaiah and MJ hated each other lmao, of course Isaiah is gonna throw shade any chance he can
@@Chris-2 he beat Mj tho... his opinion is valid...
@@friendsfrenz1944 are you like 16? He beat MJ when the Bulls had 0 supporting cast and the Bad Boy Pistons were in the prime of their team lmao. Also, you do know Jordan swept them in the playoffs and effectively ended their reign as a team, right? AND about a year ago when Lebron called himself the GOAT, Isaiah said that he isn’t and that Michael never needed to call himself the GOAT, to be the GOAT. He said Kareem and MJ both better than Bron soooo
@@friendsfrenz1944 they beat the Bulls 3 times. 1st time, MJ was the only person on the Bulls to average over 13 ppg! The second time, Scottie still wasn’t Scottie yet, it was his second year, and MJ had great numbers. The third year, they lost an amazing series 4-3 and MJ averaged over 32 ppg for the series. How can you take anything away from him for that lmao…?
3:17 great point LeBron has taken every rookie coach he's had to the finals
and lose all of them lebron old coward
and lost
@@bussheadboss1681 shut it bronsexual. Stop acting like u ain't Bron biggest fan
@@BlackPersonGuy the amount of fuckery u write in one day save some for next wk
@Deacon Durham it dosnt matter,as long as u get the point am trying to tell u
Makes a real good point on Kareem
I don't think Kareem gets enough respect for what he's done in basketball, for me, Top 3 players ever are Kareem, Jordan & Lebron and in no order because there are so many incomparable factors involved. For instance, Lebron & Kareem never played against the Bad Boy Pistons, Lebron & Jordan never played with Magic, Jordan & Kareem haven't played against a 4-Headed Monster Warriors team. When Kareem started playing in the league, it only had 17 teams which purely based off of the number of teams gives you a 5.88% chance of winning at the start of the season that drops by 2.5% with 30 teams as in today's game (there was still only 25 teams by time Kareem retired). Lebron's played through a transitional phase in the game that's gone from dominant big men to small ball death line ups where the 3 is extremely dominant, since he came into the league. The science of athletic development also advanced rapidly after Jordan retired and especially after Kareem retired so more players in the league have been able to form themselves in to better athletes, which has also worked to Lebron's benefit in terms of how he's managed to look after himself. These are all things you can't really put numbers on in terms of how much of an impact it actually has on the overall conversation.
I also loved Isiah's point about where Lebron got his basketball brain from, primarily because it's something that NEVER gets talked about but it is very intriguing.
Kareem is nowhere near MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, and Bird. Those guys LED teams to championships. Stop it.
thsu8 your delusional
@@thsu8 your high kareems resume is more loaded than anybody's including jordan so if his resume still doesnt make him better than those guys than you just killed your own jordan vs lebron argument because if jordan is better regardless of resume then dont bring up jordans resume when comparing to lebron jordan stans are so biased and its easy to tell you cant even give another player credit without them exploding and screaming jordans name
@@coreyreeves3841 facts
Notice the difference between these fans and the bandwagons on the internet? They actually applauded Lebron unlike the others who just hate, the bandwagons giving y'all a bad name
Connor yeah I commend those fans who acknowledged what I.T said.
Raffy Poblacio ngl Isiah did spit some facts
its becauze they are actual warriors fans. lol
Raha Music exactly
Connor people get crazier once the wifi is on
I've come to see his poertry at least 20 times now. Pure sports excellence.
I still come to it from time to time till this day
Best argument for LeBron ever! He is self taught n guided. No great school, no great coach ever! Unprecedented
Man can catch anything on the court like a freak but can’t process his favourites songs lyrics
That is stupid,how is he self taught ,Lebron has been with some good coaches and assistants,the bad thing is he had the luxury of firing coaches and throwing teammates under the bus as the say ,when he failed.
@@johnnycomer first of all your stupid for calling something stupid you disagree with. To the point, all players get assistants etc. Jordan had dean smith and staff for 3 years. Doug collins and then Phil Jackson for goodness sake. Lebron had mike brown and some dudes. Even now he has a dude
@@trunliving4567 Mike Brown ain't no slouch.Lebron just didn't respect him because he didn't let him run him over,You don't have a clue , What he way Lebron gets folks fired ,who dreams of bout coaching a player to can get you fired when ever he wants to pass the blame.Sorry buddy,the truth is the truth.
@@johnnycomer ROBERT HORRY SAID MIKE BROWN WAS RUNNING COACH POP PLAYS AGAINST HIM IN TH 07 FINALS WHICH POP COUNTERED EVERY TIME.. HOW GOOD WAS MIKE BROWN??
Wow, Isiah makes some good points that I never thought about.
Yes. Always do.
@Luis San Jose Isiah won 2 titles and he was the leader of those teams, some of those so called greats never won any titles. Barkley, was my favorite player, and I was hoping he would do it, and when Jordan was out he still choked and couldn't get it done.
@Luis San Jose dude. Jordan played zero real competition
@Luis San Jose Isiah didn't even say that. Rodman said Bird was overrated because he was white and Isiah had to back up his team mate. Isiah and other pistons didn't last long after 90s. A lot of physical plays wore them fast. Jordanized 90s wasn't even as physical as 80s and Jordan had no real competition at late 90s(no celtics, no lakers, no pistons etc). Zeke deserved to be in that dream team. Magic and Jordan both put Stockton behind Zeke.
@@jrsmith1998 he literally defeated the dirtiest defensive team in nba history. And it was Isiah Thomas' Pistons!
i would pick Jordan , but i appreciate him breaking down how he determines his picks - Kareem and LBJ. Everyone has their own opinion. No need to slam someone if they don't agree with the majority.
I agree with you. All these players are top teir and the difference in the totality of their talent is thin. I pick Jordan because of what I saw him accomplish and weigh that to be greater than Kareem or Lebron at this point but I could see how others may disagree.
Thank you. People swear you can't think that there is no other option.
Rook Rude Dumars locked up Jordan
Lebron > Jordan.
Ryen C JJ Berea locked up lebron
6:09
Isiah Thomas calls Kareem the “greatest basketball player to ever play the game”
He's got a point there.
Yea that’s a pretty solid point. Can’t take anything away from that
Yeah, but he said it was Kareem Abdul-JAMAR 🤣
@@TheKrimeScene so. U an certain you know who he was reffering to. Mister perfect speller
@@TheKrimeScene JAMAR???!?? JAMAL? ⛹️♂️🏀
Isaiah is speaking facts!!
Chris Biba bahahaha ohkay...straight jacket talk
@Nicky Santoro are you stupid or an idiot?
@Nicky Santoro rly my guy lmao the guy who dominated the 90's isnt the greatest of his time
Kareem lost ONE game in High School and ONE game in college.
meanwhile Skip Bayless averaged ONE point FOUR points in High School.
Lmao
LOL so good
Just the fact that Skip was actually playing ball is mindblowing
Lolllll
What surprise he would take LeBron over Jordan.....🙄
NYG Man Joe Jordan only beat him once, he distroyed Mj everytime.
Bernard Brunu and who ended up having better career?
Stillmatic and😂😂
isiah beat the lakers of magic and the celtic of bird in their prime, something jordan never did
Jordan's first championship was beating magic
love watching skip speechless because all of the things that isiah said is true and its really a good point .. ill choose lebron
Lol
yep!!! ... Lebron's the G.O.A.T
Jordan never lost a finals so that ends the debate of who was better
When you compare the numbers that Michael Jordan put up during the Bulls’ threepeat with those of Scottie, you’ll be quite amazed. The swingman tallied more rebounds, assists, blocks and steals than MJ in their 6 Finals runs.
If you actually calculate MJ a d Scottie pippen stats when they played together in their playoffs runs MJ actually led in points, assist, and steals. The only Scottie was ahead was rebounds and blocks
@@larryjames3437bro mj got carried bad , his defense against all the allstars was amazing because Jordan was getting cooked by everyone
Isiah ain't never gonna let that Dream Team snub go.
BIMMOM I wouldn't either hands down 1 on 1 he deserved to be on that team over Stockton
Nope haha.
😂😂😂
He's not salty all he said was LBJ is smarter.
bkmtf like what?? Taking a rookie coach h to the finals?? lol that's the best he can come up with?? 3-4 against western teams.. Jordan 6-0
Isiah shut that heckler down real quick.
james d quick!!!
John Cool
james d factsssss
james d what time
james d nah Zeke was triggered
Skip missed the entire point... this clip shows how much skip doesn't know!!!
Isiah Thomas is a badass and one of the basketball greats, knows what he's talking about
The man just gave clear factual reasons why he'd pick Lebron over Jordan that actually made sense and y'all tryna say he hating 🤦🏽♂️ like he's been retired out of the league for how long? Why would he still be holding a grudge against him smh. Is Michael Jordan really a basketball god out here? Can he really not be surpassed?
I posted earlier that I personally do not mind the opinion itself but I would just take Isaiah's opinion or any of the old piston players opinion with a grain of salt. He has a natural bias against Jordan based on their history.
Skytech Security bc the finals isn't a 1v1 sport. Bro really just said Tim Duncan I'm done 🤦🏽♂️
Ugo why he literally gave Jordan props and know him better than anyone else as an opponent.
Is he not a basketball god ? Who can pass him ? 😂 ion think chokes are erased
LBJ legacy cant compete with Mj.Lbj had to join somebody else team to win.Not sayin Lbj not good, his legacy wont be better than Mj.You can stats & wat ifs all day long bt in 2days society you cant compete with fame & fans
They better shut that man up, he speaking too much truth over there. That's not what our ears are accustomed to hearing. we've been mentally persuaded for the longest. People forget Ali stopped being Champ because of his voice. They snatched his belt for that one reason. People also forget why Kareem wasn't brought up in the greatest discussion nomo. He went pro black so they started persuaded the masses. MJ never was and never will be a leader on that level. That's why he's accepted as the goat. He'll never speak up!!!! Isaiah too real... 👍💯✊💡💯👌
King Dre thank you
That's what I'm talking about!
King Dre Tell'em
Damn that's the truth
Facts !!!
The greatest player ever: Kareem Abdul-Jamaar or Abdul-Jafaar I think he said both at one point.
He did
WTF
This is one of the most astute analyses of basketball by a former player I've seen.
Too bad he didn't use as a GM. He ruined the Knicks.
It was an objective and non-emotional as it gets…that’s what I respected most from this.
Isiah made the Jordan/Lebron argument more realistic. People say that he's salty but he didn't say anything negative. He said that he'll take ''the mind" over the scorer, someone who takes rookie coaches to the finals. I 100% agree with Isiah given the mechanics of basketball. There's more to basketball than just scoring and Isiah being a former point guard he understands how Lebron leads his team. I feel like Lebron was responsible for a lot more and he should get more credit.
Sorry bruh, Jordan was the best TWO WAY player! Who do you want to take the last shot? Hands down Jordan!
After that man just broke down everything y'all really still gonna hate? Wtf lmaoooo, like did y'all listen to him or just post stupid comments cause of the caption????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
BROOKLYN UNBIAS that's what I'm saying bruhh 😂🤣 they stupid af
We listened. His points were filled with inaccuracies and hyperbole.
And giving the fact he always hated Mike makes his opinion bias lpl...
BROOKLYN UNBIAS well with saying Kareem is the goat he sound dumb. We don't combine college and high school
Nathan Hayes and of course silence after 😂 it’s youtube, people just splurge whatever hating nonsense they think first and hope that its legible
i have to agreed i have never met someone that make that much sense about basketball !! just a great joy to listening to him!!
I got educated!!! Smart man
If I wanted to make It to the finals: LeBron
If I wanted to Win the finals:
MJ
Harden GOAT you make it seem like Lebron doesn't have 3 championships
QBeezzy11 in 7 tries......
QBeezzy11 LBJ is on his way to 5 Finals losses bruh.
QBeezzy11 he is make it seem like LeBron has a negative record in the finals. MJ has 6 from 6
QBeezzy11 mj has 6
Whenever I see isiah and hear him talk it's hard to believe the guy was on that "bad boys" team. The guys so well spoken and cheerful
LMAO Skip looked like he wanted to cry during this segment...."Damn Isiah is KILLING my narrative"....
😂 Yep
5:44 “come on over here and talk about it” is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's hilarious to me when someone who played against Jordan says LeBron is better, people go "Oh, well he's just salty." But when Paul Pierce, who lost to LeBron multiple times, says Jordan is better, we never say "Oh, he's just mad he lost to LeBron." Fact of the matter is, Zeke is up here spitting straight FACTS. And no, he's not salty, cause he and the Pistons ran through Jordan on their way to 3 Finals and back to back championships.
Aquil S It's like they don't even hear the sound reasoning coming from Zeke. All they heard was he wouldn't choose Jordan. Smh.
Nylle23 Yup. People already have it made up in their minds that Jordan was the only player ever to never lose, never go through adversity, never miss big shots, and never need help. They don't wanna have actual basketball conversation. They wanna make jokes and hope to get laughs.
Aquil S he explained why and didn't just come with the 6 rings argument.
Aquil S Kobe knows who's better. He's the mediator, he's played against both of them.
with all due respect he's not stating facts. Those are his opinions
I love how Isiah breaks the game down. He beat Jordan 3 times in the playoffs and won 2 titles. He has earned the right to have his opinion.
iampioneer81 HE beat Jordan ?
MJ swept Isaiah in East Finals and won 6 rings. What's your point?
he beat jordan thrice and won 2 rings..and Jordan passed them when theymgot old and Pippen came with better teammates..thats when Jordan era started..
iampioneer81 when Jordan had no one and had that short season coming off ankle injury so
30 is not in the end doorstep of ur career?those days they had enough winning 2 rings they dont even fear jordan until Pippen came and had a better roster..
Imagine how many titles LBJ would have with Scottie Pippin and Phil Jackson.
Jordan was the one that turn Phil Jackson into a HOF coach... everyone acting like Phil was winning games before Jordan...
@@demetriclarke4194 but phil jackson is the person who came up with the scheme for jordan to make him more dominant
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Wtf did Phil did before Jordan or won???
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2:46 Holy cow! I’ve heard this debate for years and I’ve never considered or even thought about this. He explained this so well. Thank you Isiah for the enlightenment 🤯🤯🤯
for all those saying Isaiah is salty. search for other videos where he praised Jordan and called him GOAT. why would he be salty? he beat Jordan in a series twice. I'm a Jordan fan but it took two series before Jordan beat the Pistons. He needed Pippen showing up and embrace the triangle offense before beating the Pistons. to his point recognize the fact that Lebron is going down as one of the greats that never had a great veteran coach. he took a rookie coach Spoelstra to the Finals and 3 times after that. he took rookie NBA coach Blatt to the Finals once. and now Ty Lue twice. A guy who didn't have tutelage of a great coach from college or in the NBA took a mediocre team to the Finals when he was only 22 with Mike brown as a coach.
gennoboy finals don't mean as much as Lebron fans will say. That just means you beat your conference. Championships are where you beat everyone
gennoboy great pt. Kobe is still better
Millicente right
Alton Howard lol as soon as he got Scottie whether or not if there were flagrant fouls he would've beat the pistons. He almost beat the pistons b4 there were flagrant fouls Scottie missed game 7 with a migraine nice try your beloved king got locked up by JJ Berea and old man Kidd
gennoboy well he beat him twice cs he had the better team also pippen missed game 7
He called him Kareem Abdul Jamar 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I caught that too :)
I thought I wasn’t tripping
He still had Michael Jordan on his mind.
The best analysis and comparison I have ever heard. All in refutable facts. Eloquently spoken. Thank you Isiah Thomas.
Getting to the Finals and winning it is two very SEPARATE things ..
Yeah but being the best out of multiple teams in a conference, played best out of 7 isn’t something to overlook. Don’t talk like finals appear out of thin air you bum I know this comment was 3 years ago but maybe you still a bum.
@@logarius2178 When u win the finals the same amount as GOATS, then he is better than jordan
Zeek stop m j from getting to the final three time, m j would probably have 9 rings if it was for ZeeK !
Real talk by Isiah Thomas in this clip. I'm glad he confronted that Jordan lover in the audience who said, "Sour grapes". I'm so f**king tired of Jordan lovers attacking people's character if you choose someone over MJ. That's their default setting, and it's asinine. Isiah Thomas is an All-Time great player who is a 2-time champion, and he battled against Kareem, Julius Erving, MJ, Magic Johnson, Bird, etc. Isiah ended up making very solid cases in this segment for why he would choose Lebron over MJ to start a franchise, and why he believes Kareem is the GOAT. But before he could even share those reasons, an MJ lover yelled "Sour grapes" at him That's how it is with MJ lovers. If you don't choose MJ, there is something fundamentally wrong with you. Either you're a millennial who never saw MJ play..... or you're an irrational fanboy..... or you don't know the game of basketball..... or you're just a MJ hater..... or it's a case of jealousy/sour grapes etc etc etc. MJ lovers are unable/unwilling to accept different opinions about the GOAT. And the most maddening thing is that MJ lovers accuse people with different opinions of being "biased". Are you f**king kidding me?!? They are out of their MJ-loving minds!
I agree with you man. I totally agree with you.
Ernesto Castro - You're free to have whatever opinion you want, but don't tell me how f**king old I am, and don't tell me what the f**k I saw. At 48 years old, I'm probably older than you. I've been a NBA fan since I was 10 years old, so I've been watching for 38 years. If you do the math, it should tell you that I saw the entire careers MJ, Bird, Magic, Isiah, Hakeem, Pippen, Ewing, Stockton, Malone, Wilkins, Drexler, Barkley, Worthy, McHale, etc. I saw most of the NBA careers of Julius Erving (my favorite player of all-time) and Moses Malone. Disagree all you want. But don't tell me how old I am, and don't tell me who didn't see play.
Your response shows your maturity level. Have a wonderful day and enjoy the NBA Finals.
Ernesto Castro - Isiah said nothing that was disrespectful or demeaning toward MJ. Kareem has a legit case for GOAT. And Lebron has a legit case for being the 1st choice to start a franchise. It is irresponsible to say that Isiah's opinion is just sour grapes. That accusation comes from a DESIRE to discredit his opinion because you don't agree with it. And that desire is rooted in the MJ lovers' refusal to accept that anyone but MJ could be the GOAT. It doesn't matter what "beef" they had back in the day. What matters is whether or not his opinion has merit. And the answer to that question is definitely YES.
Ernesto Castro - Actually, my first response was warranted. The immaturity was on your part. You don't know me. So don't presume to tell me my age or what I didn't see. I'll give you that same respect. If you want to debate a subject, let's debate a subject. Make your points. Tell me why you think I'm wrong. Just don't make false allegations against me. If your argument is strong enough, you shouldn't need to make up stuff about me.
6:16 "Kareem Abdul Jamar" 😂😂
@elisa goislard Nguyen you spelled his name wrong
Tommy Cavanaugh, she’s quoting what he said. He said Jamar.
I LOVE that Isaiah put that clown in check! Isaiah is the real deal and has the right to speak on this as someone who really knows what he's talking about.
I see why MJ & others didn’t want Isiah around. Sometimes a person’s energy just isn’t healthy to be around. No matter how talented they are.
Isiah Just Mad MJ Rose Up Against His Fallen Piston’s, People Are Really UnderEstimating Michel Jordan Doe’s AnyBody Not Realize The Killer He Is And Was AnyMore ☠️💯
kidjay mack Are u high hes not mad at anything and everyone knows the killer Mj was
E BO That’s fax
E BO that’s just extra. Worship is what occurs these days. Via witnesses & The Chosen One. The “beef” between them two had to do with bad sportsmanship, among other things prolly. But isiah being left off that team in my opinion was rooted more in the racial makeup of that team. & that had nothing to do w Jordan as far as a decision. If it were up to MJ as people like to say, he wouldn’t have allowed Christian Laettner to be on the squad.
The most sense ever of why he'd take LeBron over Jordan. He didn't say LeBron is better, he said if he had to pick one player. I totally agree with him, LeBron is going to give you maximum return on your dollars. He never retired to go play baseball, he's a great ambassador to the sport (versus alleged gambling problems), infidelity etc. Jordan can ball, be he did one of the top two basketball coaches in college. 1. John Wooden 2. Dean Smith and one of the top two coaches of all time in the NBA 1. Phil Jackson 2. Red Auerbach Plus Jordan played with a top 50 player of all time Scottie Pippen. Case closed......
Simba Durio exactly wade was trash 😂😂😂
Lebron played with more all stars in his career than jordan did. Look it up. Lebron played his whole career in the LEASTern conference....yea what difficulty that must have been to reach the finals each year lol. And jordan played baseball cuz his daddy died. Goes to show he wasn't chasing stats in his career. Not like lebron.
@@dcalzini Jordan had 3 careers and spent them all in the East because he was too afraid of the West. LeBron is going out West with a young Lakers squad that didn't even make the playoffs because unlike MJ he isn't scared at all
Case closed? Lol you already lost because you said "he didnt say he was better" lmao
@@shavons5331 he was too afraid to go to the west??? Are u like 12? When mj played....the east WAS the west. The best teams were in the east lol. Stop dude. We ain't gonna count when mj played at 40 yrs old....we ain't gonna count the two seasons he played 18 and 17 gms. The man really played only 11 seasons.....and dudes still chasing his stats? So sad.
And Jordan chose laettner Christian over Thomas
J Nix Actually Laettner got picked over Shaq. The Dream Team had to choose 1 college player.
Nope they chose Mullen and laetner over Thomas
J Nix they picked John Stockton over Isiah Thomas since they play the same position.
J Nix You mean Christian Laettner?
J Nix That wasn't Jordan that did that.
love hearing these kind of words out of the mouth of someone who actually played ball, was in locker rooms, was in play-offs, was in finals, was in these situations, IT dropping knowledge
Jordan never won anything before Scottie Pippen. He won a total of one playoff game in his career without having Pippen on his team. The greatest player ever won one playoff game? He also had Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley and sedale threat on those three playoff years without Pippen. The last year of his first three peat the bulls went 57-25 in the regular season. He then retired and they replaced him with Pete Myers of the CBA. So what did they do that year? They went 55-27 and lost to the knicks in the playoffs on the worst foul call in NBA history. The knicks barely lost to the rockets in 7 games in the finals. So all you Jordan loons are telling me. That you can replace the greatest ever with a CBA player and come within a horrible foul call of Winning the tittle. All this while only dropping 2 regular season games in the standings. So Michael Jordan is only worth 2 more regular season wins over Pete Myers. And how many playoff series did he ever win without Pippen? The answer is zero. In fact he only won one playoff game in his career without Pippen. That doesn’t sound like the greatest player of all time to me. Jordan is the most overrated athlete in the history of sports. Period!!!!!
And that's how you know people don't know basketball when they bring up the pippen led bulls that literally just won 3 championships in a row. A championship team still led by Phil jackson or a lottery team with bums? Hmm thats hard to decide. 🙄🙄🙄
Underated comment!!!!! 🏀 🏆
Everyone caught up in the LBJ vs MJ nonsense, I'm just glad he gave KAREEM his just due! the true GOAT
Alvin Hill I Been saying that all my life
As accomplishments goes, yes, KAJ is the most accomplished bball player ever, this is not even debatable. Now, as talent and level of competition goes, the discussion becomes much more complicated, lol For example, Olajuwon is easily more talented than Jabbar, the level of competition they faced is not even comparable. But Olajuwon as the GOAT center, is he the better player overall? Well, no. There's so much variables involved.
maybe the greatest big man of all time
Alvin magic said Jordan is the Goat ..stop lien Isaiah
Only thing is , is so hard to say the greatest player when a center can’t really be compared with a guard , let alone a small forward
How can you ask him that lol of course he's not gonna say Jordan lol
what you mean sour grapes he dominated Jordan his whole prime?
My dude was preaching! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
5:40 was my favorite part 😂😂😂😂😂🔥🔥
This is perhaps one of the best speeches i have ever seen a sports announcer give. In fact he literally shut down Skip and Shannon to the point to where they had to respect him. WoW
why are we always comparing why can't we just appreciate both legends
23 and 23. 🏀 🏆
I've never really watched Isiah plays but from all the interviews and his arguments and how he brings himself, he becomes one of my favorite NBA legends.
*they really played isiah thomas with that panel "nba tv analyst isiah thomas joins undisputed" LMFAOOO*
Not saying i agree with him in taking Lebron over Jordan, BUT this man is talking straight facts. Opened my eyes about a few things
why can't you say you agree with him on taking lebron over jordan? lebron is approaching the top #s of all those stats as well
And that's real. He did the same for me.
facts ye? MJ beat him ruthlessly, period
I would too, common sense!
"Hold on...come over here and talk about it.." Lol...
@Andre Harvey yeah that was epic. I love how he handled that
I don't understand how Isiah Thomas could be "salty" at Jordan ending the Bad Boys. They beat him 3 straight times to his 1. It's not like they had much to be mad at Jordan about.
Hmm let’s see...
Jordan turned his own city against him✔️
Jordan ended his little bad boy dynasty✔️
Jordan kept him off the dream team✔️
Jordan went on to win 6 titles to his 2✔️
Tommywood magic kept him off the dream team num nuts
Avery Bradley because Jordan is the goat he's not....simple
Wehere323 not just Magic Larry Bird he hated Isiah Thomas
Avery Bradley Its about Jordan leaving him of the Dream Team not about wins team wise. Isiah has always hated Jordan and Pipen thats a fact
I can see all the comments saying; "he hates MJ, that's why"...
and you ain't lying 😂
The Wallstar I think that James is a better player than Michael, he plays the game better he doesn't have a better career like MJ but as far as abilities I do think he's better...now the Curry thing you mention, now that would be crazy...lol...
Irving Campos Lugo KEYSI
MICHAEL ACCOMPLISHED MORE
LEBRON IS BETTER
furry elf lol no. y'all are dumb
Yea LeFlop is BETTER than MJ AT LOSING! NOTHING MORE!!!
zeke is a HOFer , champion , basketball analyst! being a journalist NEVER makes you an analyst.. covering the game vs being in the game is the difference! anyone of us as fans can do skips job on tv being a good journalist takes skill i don’t know if he’s even that. but when it comes to sports or anything else listen to the person with the actual experience never the on looker !
Gotta give it to IT solid Kareem argument
ISIAH THOMAS MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT LEBRON HAVING A GREAT "BASKETBALL BRAIN" BUT NO ONE HAS JORDAN "BASKETBALL HEART"
NewEarth Son weak statement lol. Hold this L
Anthony Ruffin not weak at all lol when you jump ship from the city that literally and figuratively created you, you have no heart. Period.
+Flex Master Tony
You're comment was weak.
Are you going to act like he didn't "jump" back to the that city who created him and won them their first chip as well as a few more future chips?
Are you going to act like he didn't return and rebuild his high school's Gym?
He has a heart. Period :)
Bird and Kobe are arguably on the same level of Jordan regarding heart and clutch ability. The guy is not the leader at everything.
NewEarth Son Allen Iverson, biggest heart in NBA history
Damn isiah out here spitting faxxx
about social issues...
Yea he put the history of basketball in its proper perspective.
Watching this video just reminded me of how bad for the game KD joining the Warriors was. It robbed everyone of a competitive rivalry between the Cavs and Warriors. It also negatively affected Lebron's legacy by having the deck stacked against him to an insurmountable amount that was just unfair and went against the competitive essence of sports.
wait did Skip get a chance to speak cause I wanna hear my greatness
Isaiah Thomas has wisdom that's why he still looks so young.
@6:13 Isiah Thomas: "The greatest player to ever play this game is KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR". Proceeds to list crushing evidence.
Kareem Abdul-Jamaar loool
Competition matters and as far as competition goes, Jordan played in primarily a Man-to-Man watered-down expansion era where the best talent was almost never at his own position. Jordan played in a big man era. The best players were in the front court. Jordan had the benefit of being able to shine against lesser competition, 2nd, and 3rd tier players. LeBron plays in a position-less era where Zone Defense is legal where the best talents are at all of his positions (To name a few: KD, PG13, Kawhi, Giannis, Butler, Kobe, Carmelo, Tracy McGrady, etc) and he directly goes against the best players in the league. LeBron has to score against the best defenders and defend against the best scorers. Jordan never had that level of competition. Yet LBJ still does more than Jordan despite having much greater challenges. Jordan can score like no one else. But I cannot imagine Jordan trying to score and defend the best scorers and run his teams offense as Point Guard and take the task of being the leading Rebounder all at the same time like LeBron has done for multiple championship runs. It could never happen. Jordan just didn't have that level of ability. If I have to decide between a player who can do everything and a player who can't, I'm selecting the player who can do everything. Jordan has never had his body go thru 8 straight full post-seasons worth of games without break. Jordan has always retired and taken a break between runs. Jordan never had to carry anything approaching LeBron's workload for his teams. Jordan always had Pippen to run his Championship team's offense and be the designated defender, and had Horace/Rodman to work the boards for him. Jordan primarily just had to handle the scoring. LeBron has AT TIMES been his teams primary Scorer, best Playmaker, top Rebounder, most active Defender (leading them in both Blocks and Steals)... simultaneously...for an entire championship playoff run. Jordan has never faced that level of energy expenditure and physical tax. LeBron is a better basketball player (team-based) than Jordan.
Well said 👌
"Jordan never had that level of competition" hahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
wait
hahahahahahhahahhaahahhaahahahahahaha
@@alpha-cf2oi Am I right or wrong? 😬
@@MistahUnknown the fact u cant even tell tells so much about u hahahahhahahahaaha
@@alpha-cf2oi Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Love how he called out the fan
Kareem is the greatest in my opinion. On and off the court
When i was in the 5th grade in early 70's, Kareem was my basketball idol ( he still is ) that i emulated his unstoppable ' sky hook '. I actually did so well that i was able to it do from the free throw line regularly that my coach was always in awe....Kareem was truly inspirational to me...Oh, on a side note, i actually learn to shoot basketball via sky hook before i even learn to shoot em the '' regular ' jump shot way. lol
mustafa musleh “in my opinion” = bias
mustafa musleh no he's not
mustafa musleh totally agree! LBJ is second to Kareem
Kareem has gone to at least the Conference Finals and won MVPs without either Oscar or Magic. How many Conference Finals did Jordan make and how many MVPs did Jordan win without Pippen? Zero and zero.
Never ask a Detroit Piston to give their opinion on Michael Jordan.
Except Rodman and Salley
Exactly lmao it's automatically discrediting.
Thank you
Lol..Because you will get the truth..!! The Bad Boys dominated the Bulls from 1984-1990..!! Fact.. TheMJ led Bulls werea nonMF@# factor.
It was the Larry Bird Celtics who kicking thePistons aszz year after year till1988..
How about letting Tracy McGrady? He picked LeBron. How about letting a Chicago Bull Scottie Pippen? Before the media backlash he said Jordan's the greatest scorer but LeBron could be the Greatest player Of All Time. How about letting a Celtic Larry Bird? He said LeBron may go down as the best out of all of them.
Jordan Jockriders finally getting exposed because the PLAYERS are picking LeBron.
Oh, how I love the knowledge. If you ain't play basketball, be quiet. Thanks, IT.
ISAIH THOMAS WAS RIGHT. LEBRON IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE AND SURPASSED THE 6 YEARS DOMINANCE OF JORDAN IN THE 90's. WHEN LEBRON TOOK THE SCORING LEADERSHIP OF JABBAR, HE HAD PUT HIMSELF ON TOP IN THE NBA EVER. IF ANY PLAYER BREAKS THIS RECORD HE WOULD BE THE BEST AMONGST THE BEST, IF EVER.
One of the best basketball knowledge interviews i have ever watched...Isaiah was waxing eloquently!
he is still salty from not being on that Olympic team when he did deserve it.
Y'all sound salty, actually. It's his damn opinion.
Christian McCaffrey yo everybody hated him, Larry Bird said he would've physically fought him
Isiah is right on the money. Inside and/or outside the NBA world LeBron is the goat. And LeBron has the greatest mind I have seen in basketball with none of the great coaches to have learned from. Keep on preaching it, Isiah. And, hey, Isiah your basketball mind is also ranked among the top and best. Would love to see you back in the league in management or coaching.
can somebody please explain to me the "paint cans, squeegees, and a nail file" comment at 4:47? what did Shannon mean by this?
He makes great points doe isiah has a great basketball mind
ILOVEBASKETBALL 💯💯
The point that Michael Jordan's coach was a great coach has to be evaluated. Phil Jackson was not a big coach when he went to Chicago bulls. I watched Phil's documentary, he said with Michael Jackson ,it was a partnership role because Michael was made and he couldn't not impose plays on Michael but with Kobe ,he was like a son. Michael and Phil m
ade themselves great
yeah people act like Pippen came into the league a super hyped up future HOFer and Phil came in as a HOF coach already. They became who we know them as alongside MJ who was already doing amazing individual things before them.
Ernesto Castro Yup "individual" meaning statistically but dont translate to winning while Lebron like isiah pointed out his brains on and off the court that make his team better and at the same time having a successful "individual" stat himself, you cant take that scrub cavs team anywhere if you think about if talentwise all of the team in the east that they've face are better than them NETS,WIZARDS,DETROIT,HAWKS are all better teams than what Lebron had.
Phil Jackson has 13 Championships Sir. He was an NBA Champion before MJ. His BBall IQ was well respected as a player and through the coaching ranks. Just FYI.
It's all personal opinions there is nothing that's in black white that says
"Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time"
Majority of the stars from the 80s feel the way Isiah feels about Jordan
trevion sewell Only because they couldn't swallow the bitter pill of Jordan's domination following the 80s era into the 90s.
Joe Gil I just look at it like this 50 years from now no one is going to be arguing for Lebron or MJ because all the people who seen them
Play will be much older or won't be alive anymore to argue there case for the Goat just like you don't hear people arguing for bill Russell or Elgin Baylor or Wilt
Most of them are still upset because Jordan ended their careers lmao. Isiah's 2x defending champion Pistons got swept by MJ in 1991
Thomas was destroying Jordan in the playoffs lmao Jordan couldn't handle him
Johnny Smith
Lol yeah when Jordan was in his early 20s and didnt have a team while Isiah had a mini dynasty. Once Jordan got into his prime he abused Isiah LOL
Very well put Isiah. beautiful and the truth. I don't give a dam. Isiah is a true champion.
Isaiah Thomas great mind the way he just articulated that was amazing with him sayin that mj still the goat
My lord this man can hold a grudge
Floyd steel He swept mj in the fist round
Bernard Brunu and when Jordan swept him he didn't shake their hands and walked off the court
^ so funny hearing these Lebron fans repeat the same things they THINK THEY KNOW about MJs "failures"
1) Pistons never played the Bulls in the 1st round
2) Pistons never swept the Bulls in ANY round
Ethiopian Pride I mean they beat the Bulls 4-1 in the ECSF, and 4-2 and 4-3 in the ECF. It's not wrong to say that for 3 straight years the Pistons owned the Bulls.
There is no grudge bro, he beat MJ several times.
This cat brought a Master's education to the table. Damn that was off the charts straight and real!
The guys in the back shaking their heads when he said he'd pick LBJ over MJ lol. Even if he didn't say that HE'D PICK HIM and instead says he was objectively better, who tf are those guys to shake their heads at what Isiah, a top 25 player of all time has to say smh
Yep, I'm all about the conversation for goat being between Russell and Kareem
I'm not a LBJ fan but I totally respect this point of view from Isiah. I didn't think of this that way.
Michael Jordan: I would pick John Stockton over Isiah Thomas
Kristaps Silins I would too.
MJ: I would pick Lonzo Ball over Isiah Thomas
"Paint cans, squeegees, and a nail file. That's what he took to the finals." 😂😂😂
This debate proves how childish Skip's arguments are, and the amount of immaturity riddled throughout his critiques of LeBron.
it's funny too me how when people bring up the greatest of all time " lets leave the most dominant forces ever to play off the list". people start choosing the guy who's the coolest, looks the best flying thru the air, handles or media creation. i want the guy who hasn't played in 20 years that you still couldn't stop in the post.
dennis scott lebrob is the goat
dennis scott you don't understand the legacy of Michael Jordan if you think thsts why he was considered the best. Couple things you forgot 6-0, 5 time MVP, one of 6 players to score 30,000 pts. DPOY, 6 times final MVP, played with 2 all stars on the Bulls. LeBron played with 6 and Jordan is one of the if not the greatest perimeter defenders of all time and was one of the best in the paint. Jordan is best not just because of Popularity but because of Dominance statistically and Championship wise. Not because he looked cool
Samuel Hsu he's talking about kareem who's stats are in my opinion better than jordans
YoxxSHIxx oh ok
@@YoxxSHIxx in your opinion? In anyone's opinion who can read and understand numbers..
he spitin straight facts!
ser charles he really not
Anthony Harper What did he say that wasn't factual?
dude, it's called opinion
Jordan is beyond overrated... LeBron can do EVERYTHING BETTER than Jordan (except Maybe score?) even with scoring, LeBron can average 35 if he wanted.. so how can anyone say Jordan is better?
@streetsmart1984 cause Jordan had the will and was clutch something lebron will never have!!!!!
Ppl in the background nodding every 10 seconds
Isaiah is a very intelligent man. Hate the fact that they say so many lies about him.
Like the way he put them right in their place.