The Differences Between Thai Women and Thai Chinese Women
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I'm sorry but this is wrong on so many levels. I'm Thai-Chinese too but I know most Thai are not even looking like that. The picture you used at 1:15 are not even Thai. The left one is Paveena Singh who is Indian obiviously. And the right one looks like Malay people. Frankly, the picture you used at 0:58 as Thai chinese is actually Lanna people who is of Tai ethnic. The real majority of today Thais. Please be more careful and educated more about ethnicities topics in Thailand, since Thai are 'not' an ethnicity, but a newly created word to united 70+ more ethnics in Thailand including Han Chinese and Mon, Khmer, Malay and many more. But majority of us are Tai like those in southern China.
Thank you. 😊 You are wise.
Bai Yue..Ethnic groups who inhabited the regions of Southern China.InThe local minority speaks a Thai language related to northern Thai, a language spoken in Chiang Mai! When I tried to speak with a lady at a ‘Thai’ restaurant south of the Mekong river, I realised they use words in common with central Thai like ‘mai’ (wood), ‘nam’ (liquid) and ‘phak’ (vegetable), but their words for greetings were totally different from central Thai (‘sawasdee krap’), and so was the their word for rice (‘kao’ in central Thai). The touristic concrete architecture is Thai-inspired, but there are old houses with Thai style too, and there are buddhist monks.
If the current hypotheses are true, the Thai population of Thailand emanate from the Shan states in Burma which emanate from southern Yunnan.
I would say not all thai chinese has high socioeconomic background. We have high middle class and low middle class thai chinese family in Thailand.
But in general Chinese and East Asians are racist by nature and materialistic. In San Francisco bay area has to most billionaires and millionaires in the world... They mostly don't buy "brands" and are millionaires. There are Chinese and that just dress rich too. I can't image native Thai wearing knock off brands but I can imagine Chinese wearing knock offs. It's about the face. Look at the lockdown in China. It's all about saving face for dictator Xi that the Chinese way is right. It's sad to see Forest going this direction.
Yo yo, They thought The Thai Chinese is just the Oversea spend out from China when the country revoltion, and the issue of Communise war make Siam force Chinese new commer to have Thais name and Change identity to be main issue, since the time was pass, Chinese and Siam go get melth same in the pass, they didn't knew that's Chinese Teochew came to migration to Siam since middle of Ayuthaya and get big rank to the Siam officer, they still thouht that's The Kong Taaksin is an accdent, That's Siam have a half Chinese King, lolz
And a lot of poor ones, too. But in general, as a group, they over-perform, and have my respect.
Of course with every race/group not everyone is rich or poor as a whole but in general, Chinese are of a higher social economic status in Southeast Asia
@@shaunharn1998because all Chinese as a whole studied too much
Yes the picture at 0:58 are Northern Thai (Lanna) women not “Chinese Thai”. And The left picture at 1:15 is actually Paveena Singh, she’s full blood Indian born and raised in Thailand, she competed in Miss Universe Thailand and was a runner up I believe.
Thai people are a mix of Tai, Mon, Khmer, Malay & Han Chinese depending on the region. Tai people or Dai people are part of the ethnolinguistics group, tai-kradai which originates in Yunan province and are a different ethnic group to the Han Chinese peoples. They migrated south thousands of years ago when the mongols invaded.
The “Chinese Thais” in Bangkok mainly have Teochew ancestry and migrated mainly couple hundreds years ago. “Chinese Thai” in southern Thailand mainly have Hokkian ancestry, similar to Chinese Malaysians.
I’m actually “half Thai half Chinese” myself, my mother is from the North & my father is of Teochew background. I live in the UK now. My ancestry DNA showed ancestry matching: Dai, Vietnamese, Southern Han and South East Asian.
Note: I’m using quote marks for “Chinese Thai” because this term is seldom used in Thailand. Most Thai with Chinese ancestry wouldn’t identify with that and would simply see themselves as Thai. Only if they are pressed on it if asked they would say that they have Chinese ancestry/blood.
1. Tai started to diverge around 1000-1300 AD not thousands of years
2. Chinese Thai was used to refer the 1st gen Chinese who came with ships
Do you call Baukaw and Tony Jaa Thai-kuy ? Why the Chinese here is important?
@@denvor4454 I didn’t say Chinese was important, I’m saying the opposite actually in that in Thailand we would not use the term Chinese Thai and we would simply just refer to ourselves as Thai, that’s why I used quote marks when I used that term.
But my father was born in China so if I do get into deeper conversation with someone about my ancestry and heritage the of corse I will mention my Chinese side, why shouldn’t I? But otherwise I would say I’m from Thailand if anyone asked me.
And I did mention in my original post about Tai migration, it was a mistake I did mean a thousand years ago not thousands of years ago.
I thought they still lack of understand about how acctually melthpot means, ther have many country like as the US thought they are totally melth, but it seem like a Thais-Trib Hill, that's they live and done eveything like as a Thai people but they are not totally melth with us about main Thai.
there are hundreds year that's Siam aka Thai was united from TAI,MON,Khom, dynastry and all of them is not pure as they are blood as well, since the middle of Auyuthaya ear, there are starting of Chinese migration, it was mean it was over hundreds that's Chinese came and mixed with The Thai before The Bangkok was establishment, They thought Chinese Thai is just the generation of Oversea Chinese spread out from China, they dont knew that's before Siam become to Thailand there have Chinese is already one of us "Siamese", They just Focus that's we are speak Thai from a Tai-Kadai base of people are TAI,MON,Khom, Malay, Indian and Chinses, even Japanses and Pakee, they thought Thai is a Tai from south Yuannan or Guangxi Chuang by the base of Tai-kadai group, and the base of Language, there are thousand years tha't Tai people appear arround south Yunnan to Assam india, and another group is Siam, the mixture of Tai and local SEA mainland like MON and Khom.
this is the reason why when The Oversea Chinese spread out from China, Why Teochiew people going direct to Bangkok, at the first moment wehn the people cannot consolidate, there have ton of issue especailly when the Communist was came, other group thought that's Thailand are so force Chinese people to be a Thai, and do missing conception till today especailly the US Chinese cannot be 100% melt with US, the Malay struck on Pumibutra policy and thought that's Thai Chinese are get force and lose identity. yeah they lose the language and the chinese name, they dont have 1 onf Chinese and another of western like Andy, Jacky, Michale or what, just only Thainame to be represent and proud of a Thai-Chinese, not Oversea Chinese from XXXCountry, since 1997 I gone to state and i met many people asking me
Why you are Thai You are look so east asia, Chinese or Japanses( yean my decent have Japanese and Protuguese as well) This is make me confuse for years till I understand about the oversea Chinese is not the same vision as Thai-Chinese
Do Thai Chinese lose Their idendity? Can I ask back that's what is identity that's you mean? Name? Mother tongue? if you identify like that's yeah most of us already lose it! but if you are identifly by the ethic,culture,tradition, I can said that's there are never lose, and it seem like so anciant than other country that Chinese oversea living, Yeah I'm multi-blood mixing but I still represent of first child on my generation, who are still respond with tradition leader of my family, and I'm 9th gen of my family.
Thanks for taking the time to give us such a detailed illustration of the Thai ethnic breakdown. Indeed most visitors to Thailand, the owner of this channel included, can't tell northern Thais from Thais with Chinese ancestry. Most of the Thai Lue ladies whom I've had the privilge to talk to in Thailand over the years have much faired skin than my mainland Chinese wife.
Northern 6M Tai lao
Isan 23M Mon-khmer - lao
cantral 30M Mon-khmer - lao Chinese
southern 10M malayu Mon-khmer karen tamil Chinese
i think thailand DNA Mon-khmer most
Hey dude,
Since I can read, write and speak Thai I want to give you more stories (history/background) that you may not know about Thailand according to this clip.
My mom and dad family background are (old) Thai family, the old time believer among (old/ordinary) Thais (in the past) in term of a dreaming career was not in "business". The Thai dreaming career were a career in government (or work for the King) or serve in military and this is their mindset. So if you couldn't become one in those careers then most likely you will end up in agriculture career. We didn't have much experience (in the past) in business plus we have never been in a hard life situation like others. Thailand always has plenty of food to eat and survived in our own ways of life that is why we lack of hard work attitude and ambition to make more money. When life is easy there is no reason to try harder, I am talking about old time thinking here OK?
As you can see there is no successful millionaire/billionaire worked for government (except the corrupt officials) and I will refer this reason below.
The Chinese immigrants (mostly from Guangdong came to Thailand before and after Chiang Kai Shek era) these people were looking for a better life since in China at that time were in war time, unstable government, bad economy (poverty) and starvation. When these immigrants arrived Thailand they have almost nothing with them (according to my parents, grand parents told me) but in their mind they wanted to start a new life and willing to work hard soThailand welcome them completely.
When these Chinese immigrants immigrated to Thailand they don't have much choice in career mainly because they don't speak the language and they have to learn new culture, environment and so on. So to survive in a new country the only choice they have is to do "business", they started to do anything to earn money like labor work, food vendors and any odd jobs that they can do to earn money and to survive. As I mentioned above Thais (in the past ) had no idea about doing business so there is no competition it only among Chinese immigrants. When you used to have a hard life and you don't want to be in that situation again the ambition, hard work and opportunities will be factors for these Chinese immigrants to become successful until today and that is the reason why Thai-Chinese are well-off than ordinary Thais. However from my observation I can see Thai-Chinese adapted Thai culture very well and among Thais we also accepted each other very well.
It kind of funny to think about it that until now no one in my family is doing business except 1 or 2 are in entertainment business and the rest are in military, police and government officials.
It doesn't matter to me you prefer Thai-Chinese girl than (ordinary) Thai girl as long as you have high respect to them and it doesn't matter where you are coming from. I grew up outside Thailand and more than half of my lifetime I lived outside Thailand, I understand both eastern and western culture.
I love both --> my motherland (Thailand) and the country that I grew up and lived in for long time.
Do me a favor dude, stop bragging/talking about your race, it doesn't matter what race or origin you are from. In Thailand we are all the same, one race is not better than another.
Oh really? Isn't that the fact that 99% of the Thai population wants to be white and chinese look?
Im Thai living in europe my self, when I came back to Thailand all I see is whitening skin and chinese beauty :)
@@AboveBellow Did you read my comments? What it has to do with "whitening skin and chinese beauty? I have no idea what are you trying to prove?
Let me write in Thai (in case if you are Thai).
ไม่ทราบว่าคุณอ่านความเห็นของผมที่เขียนไว้ทั้งหมดหรือเปล่า?
มันไปเกี่ยวอะไรกับเรื่องผิวพรรณ (ความมขาวความดำ)?
คุณต้องการจะพิสูจน์อะไรครับ?
สิ่งที่ออกความเห็นไปในเรื่องนี้คือความเป็นมาของคนอพยพที่เข้ามาอยู่ในประเทศไทย คนไทยที่อยู่มาก่อน ความเชื่อในสังคม เศรษฐกิจ ครอบครัวและวัฒนธรรมในสยามและประเทศไทย
ยินดีรับฟังความเห็นต่างเสมอแต่ต้องเป็นไปแบบผู้ที่สุภาพและมีการศึกษา การเห็นต่างเป็นเรื่องปกติและควรเถียงกันด้วยเหตุด้วยผล
@@Andrew-ry6qw have you watch his video?
He is mentioning Thai Chinese have different standards then Thai Thai women. The ones you see in Phuket, pattaya and all those sex Tourist places. Let me tell you that those are close to 99% Thai Thai women, and specially the one that are walking with an Farang old or young. And let me Tell you, as a Thai it makes me sad to see my own country attract more Tourist people that are more interested in the sexual experiences in Thailand then the people that would like to see our country or culture.
Beside That the Chinese Thai has a more of a different perspective, not because she has to be rich or classy or anything. No just their mindset and a way of thinking you could tell the difference, ofcourse not all of them. When I date a Thai Thai women in this generation. Believe me 99% it comes out of my pocket.
(Some not ofcourse, but most are)
Out of my expierience it was way lesser with the Thai Chinese women, which are more willing offer to split the bill or share the cost.
"Again not all of them but majority of them are
And not because Im Thai chinese mix. Im 100% Thai from the issan Region. Just sharing my experience.
@@AboveBellow I think you have to a skewed view slightly being from Essarn region.
Women from Essarn area are overwhelming more likely to marry foreigners. I live in the UK and I’d say 90% of Thai women married to British men are from Essarn region. There’s nothing wrong with this of course and I think you are somewhat right in saying it is mindset but I also think it has to do with culture, religion and education. People in Essarn tend to put less emphasis on education and generally have a more relaxed outlook on life.
I think Buddhism plays a big role in shaping Thai peoples mindset too. One core teaching is to let go of materialistic things and be content, so it’s not in Thai cultures psyche to be industrialists. Just from observation I think Essarn people are the most religious and least industrialist. But they are also some of the most humble, down to earth, warm, kind and friendly people in Thailand too, all these traits do not equal material wealth and some would even argue they are more happy than people working 9-5 in London, Seoul, New York or any big city around the world.
This is just my analysis and opinion based on my experience and observations and I am overgeneralising a lot too so of course there are exceptions to this and this does not apply to everyone.
@@AMLVPUK "I can't agree with you more" Khun Nopphadon
You sounded so american. thai women, huh? thai is just a nationality not ethnicity. They can be thai-chinese, thai-malay, thai of tai descendant, thai-mon and more and we typically do not call ourselves anything other than "thai" here
True. Should be.
Acknowledging culture and history are a plus!
As a Thai, we don't care about ethnicity as long as they are Thai 😂 The Westerners like to break it down in details.
If you ask a Han Thai or even a Tai Thai (whose ancestry from Yunnan is within 4 generations), they'll tell you they have ancestry from Yunnan or Guangxi or Guizhou or Sichuan.
Forrest Lee, the photo that you showed us are NOT ethnic Han Chinese but ethnic Tai. There are four main ethnic groups in Thailand 1) Tai 2) Han 3) Mon-Khmer 4) Malay. They are all Thai citizens but look differently. Both ethnic Han Chinese and ethnic Tai have fair skin so it's difficult to tell them apart except to look at the culture that they practise.
The two girls in traditional Thai costumes in one of the photos presented in the video can pass for some Malays or Indonesians, I don't think they look like Chinese (they could be part Chinese). But in general, if u compare Chinese and Thai side by side -- Thais tend to have stronger Southeast Asian features. So in that sense, I don't think Tai and Chinese are indistinguishable, the general visual difference is pretty conspicuous to me.
Even many Vietnamese can be mistaken for Malays or Filipinos.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 its diffrent bro im from indonesian actually
@@ghifarymahmudi6883 I think u are Chinese Indonesian lol.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 yeah im chinese indonesian LOL
Dude, Not all Thai-Chinese family are from high society and intelligent. I know plenty of poor Thai-Chinese folks as well. It's like saying all black people are poor and commit crime. And all white people are super rich and NOT homeless.
Most good looking Thai girls seems to be mixed. I think u are one example here.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 True, looks at Thai actor, Thai actress, Thai celebrities and Thai model. They are mixed with something. Thailand is diversity and a melting pot with many ethnicity.
@@503zzach Generally speaking, Thais seems to have stronger features compare to like Chinese.
He is American, that’s why he brings a lot of bad American stereotypes into his videos. In US, they call some Asian Americans banana which is yellow outside, white inside.
Is it true that most Thai - Chinese have incredibly long last names? Because when they moved from China they needed to add 3-5 Thai words to their original Chinese name?
I'm southeast Asian and Chinese people have have been with us since olden days. I'm sorry to agree but, yes, Chinese culture is more materialistic than Thai culture or any southeast Asian culture.
主要还是因为你们穷……
Every time Thai sells something they wipe all their goods with the cash they received for good luck
That has a long history that begins with Mongols, Manchurians or even earlier who attacked northern China, some of the Chinese were loyal to the formal dynasty so they migrated to SE countries becoming people without countries, only money could bring them a sense of security.
0:58 they are Tais (Thai people in the northern or north of the north-eastern parts) 1:15 left picture one can be southerner (Thai-Malay people) or half indian. Beside,Thai is not race,There are atleast 70 tribes mixed together.
1:15 is actually an Indian descent.
Correct. The photo that he showed was actually ethnic Tai and not ethnic Chinese. There are 4 main groups in Thailand .eastasiaorigin.blogspot.com/2017/07/main-ethnicities-in-thailand.html
She's Paveena Singh mixed with Indian.
@@namibir1215 She is pure Indian.
Bai Yue..Ethnic groups who inhabited the regions of Southern China.InThe local minority speaks a Thai language related to northern Thai, a language spoken in Chiang Mai! When I tried to speak with a lady at a ‘Thai’ restaurant south of the Mekong river, I realised they use words in common with central Thai like ‘mai’ (wood), ‘nam’ (liquid) and ‘phak’ (vegetable), but their words for greetings were totally different from central Thai (‘sawasdee krap’), and so was the their word for rice (‘kao’ in central Thai). The touristic concrete architecture is Thai-inspired, but there are old houses with Thai style too, and there are buddhist monks.
If the current hypotheses are true, the Thai population of Thailand emanate from the Shan states in Burma which emanate from southern Yunnan.
Even with a Chinese background, the guy is American. And as such, this video is such a typical American generalization and lacking knowledge beyond the surface. It was also a weird flex to say that he's dated Thai Chinese (which to most is not a flex or anything worth mentioning). Good content usually but getting to the point where the guy who has spent a year in Thailand thinks he knows it all.
Well, it's quite stereotipical as well to assume that most of the americans act like that. Your statement somehow assume that chinese are not lacking knowledge beyond the surface, which is not true. Don't get me wrong, i'm chinese indonesian and i can tell you that there are many of us who act exactly like the "american".
I grew up in Bangkok and am Chinese. I have a zchinese Thai sister. This guy needs more money.
Women dating women ?
He look more Vietnamese than Chinese
@@hayabusa1329 Plus he needs to look in the mirror!
How much chinese DNA to consider being thai chinese, or local thai?
And how do u know that if that certain person u see is pure thai or pure chinese while there are many ethicity in thailand and people here are all consider thai and we have the same sharing culture that already mix with all the culture. Don’t u think is it a little bit rude that u are outsider come to other country and pointing out this one Thai this one is not. I know american culture is the biggest in the world but atleast have some respect to other culture. Why people go to japan and don’t call the light skin japanese a chinese and call the dark skin japanese an Ainu ? How long could Thai that have some chinese blood could be considered as a Thai in the eye of foreigner? Some western attitude are toxic and unnaturally, sometime just keep it in your country please
Thank you stating this I think this guy has so much American mindset .
+1
@@leona9315 yeah as indonesian who had chinese background too, i though this guy is pretty much acting like american.
@@ghifarymahmudi6883 well he is american lol , many asian americans think like typical americans they only asians in name
He may not be using the "correct" ethic/racial term for these Thai women with Chinese blood, but his point is that they act and carry themselves a little differently than other Thai women.
this is so disrespectful. in our culture, we do not stereotype people by race. if you were born, grew up, or have some Thai blood then you are Thai. and in this generation, most of your 'Thai-Chinese' are not 100% Chinese blood. it's not about the race but it's about where you get to know that woman. you just haven't had a chance to date a thai-thai rich woman.
I don't think this guy dare to do in American by separate American-English or American-Indian LOL
เเค่รูปปกก็มั่วเเล้ว เลือกรูปคนอินเดียทางซ้ายเเต่ว่าเป็นไทยเเท้
There’s no full blood thai, Thai is invented term not so long ago.Thai people maybe of Lao, Khmer, Malay ancestry. I would say Real Thai are those who are mixed of Tai, Mon, Chinese ancestry. These people are the founder of modern Thailand.
Love the video man
As a Malaysian American Chinese, all xxx-Chinese are family, education, and status focused. xxx-Chinese of any kind will generally have better education and wealth level than the native population around them. The natives could be Thai, Pilipino, or even American, doesn't matter.
Low performing guys should stay away, you aren't good enough. However, if you come from an affluent family and have good education and morals, you got a decent shot. Chinese highly value educated candidates of good character.
The question going through her family member's mind is, "Will this candidate be a valuable addition to our family?" Chinese are the least resistant to marrying out if the candidate is up to par. This is different from Koreans and Japanese who tend to be more insular. China was a multiethnic empire throughout its history while Korea and Japan were ethno kingdoms.
So didn’t your school teach you that thai, and American are not ethnicity.?The native of Thailand are the nigrito. No wonder you Chinese are disliked by the Malays I can clearly see the ignorance it’s so funny in Thailand we consider all ethnicities as Thai hence thai is a nationality. There is no xxx Chinese Chinese isn’t special here.
Nice info vlog Forrest. Thanks.
Hearing from a Malaysian Chinese Christian living in Australia. You handle this topic pretty spot on. The culture, language, value system, belief, family traditional value is all "linked." The Chinese Thais are no different from the Chinese Malaysian & Indonesian etc...
This is not true at all. East asians won't date thai women period, whether they are genetically chinese or not. The culture and environment makes them low class. 99% of east asians wont touch a thai national.. well not for more than an hour. And the thai chnese aren't rich, they are what we call FAKE rich.
Hello , Forrest Lee
I am Thai-Chinese 4th generation from Southern Thailand.
My family background is from Zhangzhou Fujian. Of course, at first, I was a bit appalled by this kind of analysis of Thai girls. But anyway, I want to tell you that Not all Thai and Chinese girls are rich. We are like other Thai people. But our face and skin color may look whiter than Pure Thais :))))))))
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Hey Forrest thanks for the upload. I can fully understand your point of view. such is happening among the Chinese in Sg, Indonesia , Malaysia ......etc.
I dated an Akha woman. She is very fair skinned, but she looks Chinese, but was brought up with both Akha and Thai culture... ethnically, she is Chinese, because the Akha people were from Yunnan province in China and speak their own language and have roamed across to Myanmar, Laos and Thailand as they are a migratory hill tribe people. However, if some Thai people know this, they treat them as lower class citizens; especially the Thai people in Chiang Rai since there are more Akha people there. She had been brought up a few years in her teens by an independent Thai woman whom she calls her second mother and has a lot of respect for her. And, because of this upbringing, she carries herself very well and puts people in their place if they talk down to her. Although we broke up a while back we are friends and chat once in a while. Her father is a very hard worker raising and selling pigs (the black ones) to mainly Akha people as this is their prefernce. Although they are not rich people, they are very giving with what little they have. I have a deep admiration for my ex's family and have visited with them a few years after I broke up with her. I am half Chinese, Hawaiian, and White mix. I can pass for many south east asian people. Once, my ex and I were shopping in the mall and the guy helping us spoke English to her and Thai to me 555. I always treat everyone with respect wherever I go and have an affinity to Thai culture because it is laid back like Hawaiian culture. I believe we have different cultures, ethnic and blood backgrounds, but there is only one race, human. And perhaps, if we all think like this, we could get along a lot better. -Peace, Love and Harmony everyone!
You are Chinese and white mixed. Not a true native Hawaiian roots. LOL
@@503zzach I am 1/4 native Hawaiian. My dad was half Hawaiian 1/4 English and 1/4 Portuguese. I am kanaka maoli, an aboriginal Hawaiian.
@@jhawaiian I have met a lot fake mixed Hawaiian in Hawaii. I can tell the real native and the wannabe Hawiian. Let just be honest. Asian, Arab, Middle eastern, Mexican/Latino, African American/black and European/White folks are NOT a true native to Hawaii.
@@503zzach you don't know me. I have Hawaiian blood and not faking it. But I don't have anything to prove to you. My sisters and I went to the Kamehameha Schools. I am of mixed blood. Chinese Hawaiian and White ethnicities. My mom is pure Chinese born in Hawaii. I don't know what gave you the impression that I'm not Hawaiian, but I feel sorry for you that you have met so many people faking Hawaiian. Aloha, J
@@jhawaiian Your mom is pure Chinese and dad is pure white, right?. Nope! You are NOT a true full blood native Hawaiian. ;)
Another good observation Forrest.
Good insights. Great Video@
🐐 get this man to 100K already
Interesting Forest. One thing I wonder about is what differences there are in the extended family's influence on the couple while dating, when engaged, when married.
Majority of Thai extended families( both Thai Chinese or Thai) have a lot of influence on their dating, engaged, and even married life. I think it is more with Thai Chinese family. It may have changed some in the last decade.
your primary focus in a relationship or marriage shoud not be background, race, or status.. but two characters match.. when two characters match all issues can easily be resolved...many divorces and break ups happen because two different characters crash...if you can find in your own race.. thats a cheery on the cake... good luck...
Excellent topic.
Hi Forrest, Good to know and awesome tips on the subject of this video. You summed it well " Date what the f... makes happy " 😅
As an American guy who's lived in Asia for over 20 years and who is married to a Thai girl, I thought you summarized the scene here pretty well. However, it's important to point out that not all Thai or Thai-Chinese girls fall into the same categories.
It's a generalisation which is mostly true
Not ALL of anybody or anything falls into the same category.
Thais are obsessed with money
Hi Forrest, Loving your channel! Just curious, what income bracket does it take to be considered Hi-So in Thailand? How about net worth bracket? Cheers!
$5,000 a month according to Thaiger.
@@masajo928 5000 a month is nowhere near the level of HiSo in Thailand. And being HiSo is way more than income bracket, you need to have a very high net worth, about 1 billion baht in net worth and you need to have a great connection with famous and important people. You also need to have a taste in fashion and have graduated from a good university. Your last name should be at least popular, and your lifestyle has to be top notch. Driving porsche/mercedes, live in a fancy gated community, and have conduct business or are famous celebrities. Not just 5000 dollars a month that's peanuts for HiSo. With that income, you would still be classified as middle class, leaning towards upper middle class, but nowhere near the upper class (or HiSo in Thai)
@@tawansrithrachaikul4573 Just saying what the news Thaiger says... They said it starts from there. If it's after tax I think it's possible in a low cost of living in Thailand. Even in San Francisco (which has one of the most highest cost of living in the world, average home is about $1.5 million). When I used to make $5,000 after tax I could live ok in SF but not great with enough money to save... If I spend how Asians spend I have enough to buy "brand" without taking debt (maybe only for car loan or home loan). But I live within my means and still do. I always look for deals and invest my savings. But unlike Asia US half of millionaires don't "bling" like how Asians does it. But now I understand what you mean. My Thai wife's Thai boss drives a Mercedes and I drive Toyota Prius but her net worth is way lower then me. I guess culture difference. In San Francisco almost anyone can buy a Mercedes if they want. Elon Musk doesn't even have a home. Lol. I say maybe 80% of people here buy Japanese cars because of quality not to "bling". My experience in living in Japan for 5 years. Asians can work hard to immitate not innovate.
@@masajo928 Making 5000 USD after tax is nowhere near upple class level, even in Thailand. Thailand has a very wide range of middle class people. You can make 600 USD per month and be middle class. Or you can make 10k per month and still not out of middle class. Managers in big companies can easily make 100k baht ($3k) per month and still feel broke.
Upper-class people in Thailand don't take salaries, they have big businesses where they can easily make billions of dollars per year. For example, CP Group made 82 billion USD last year. These people sent their kids to top schools in the US & UK, like Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge, etc. They all come back to Thailand to take over their parent's business.
Another group is celebrities (the top ones), these people spend on average 1 million baht per day (or 30k USD). They are known for their opulent lifestyles. You have to know that many people in Thailand pretend to be "HiSo" but they are not. The real HiSo's are not withing foreigner's reach. They only marry the top guys in the society and they prefer thais due to cultural similarity and understanding.
Mercedes in the US cost like one third the price here. Camry in Thailand cost as much as mercedes in USA lol. And btw your Elon Musk is mainly paper rich due to stock bubble which is about to burst. You better take Bill Gates or prince of Saudi Arabia as an example, next time.
@@tawansrithrachaikul4573 A lot of the wealthy diversify. Stocks are fine as long as that is a part of your portfolio. Holding cash you loose money due to inflation that is why I continue to invest. It's only 1/3 of my income source. Yes, it is doing bad even for me but I do have other different types income sources too. Musk is smart so as you can tell he is diversifying also. Also the true wealthy only lives in debt in the US. Paying interest on loans is cheaper the paying income tax. Banks will lend as as long can you have a high net worth. You can use debt for good and bad. Yes I know cars and imports are expensive in a lot of parts of Asia due to tarff. But honestly it's a disadvantage for Thai people. Because it drives away competition. If everyone can afford like the iPhone. It drives prices overall down and forces innovation. Like I said the Asia culture prevents in many ways innovation.
In China over 650 million people making $100 per month I don’t why all Chinese has high social economic back ground haha
Yep, more poor folks than rich in China.
@@majorkadeForrest just a little Chinese robot. Believe that dude could never pull hot chicks in the US whether their Hispanic, Anglo, Indian, Asian. This guy is a cliche nerd techie boy.
Some people really don’t get the point he’s not saying ALL thai Chinese women come from higher economic backgrounds compared to thai women, this is just a generalization which is purely from anecdotal evidence which I agree with. Most people don’t understand this because these “high-so” Thai Chinese women aren’t hanging out in walking street telling these broke farangs that didn’t have success dating back home how handsome they are
Very interesting to get your perspective on these cultural differences!! Very well articulated!!
Well, it’s wired you go around asking Thai girls Do you have Chinese in you? 😆
My Thai spouse is a full-blood Thai lady and she is more down to earth, not demanding, and focuses more on love and the relationship. No wonder we've been together for 30 years.
There’s no full blood thai, they maybe of Lao, Khmer, Malay ancestry.
@@tqlol3959 I guess you missed the point between Thai-Chinese vs. Thai women cultural style differences outlined in Lee's good video.
@@martyh4777 Thai Chinese have Thai cultural styles like other Thai. They just have Chinese ancestry. Some from hi socioeconomic background, many don’t. some full chinese, many don’t. If you talk about particular Esan and central Thai are different culture. Esan people are different because their mindset different from other Thai like they like to Mary white people more than other Thai. If you follow Mr Lee mindset you will get lost only you can find them from a very very very rich family who may have or have no Chinese ancestry.
@@tqlol3959 To a certain extend I am aware of what you're saying and I don't disagree. I appreciate the Thai culture and just prefer my wife's down to earth style. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. For some folks placing more importance on their socio-economic background, they'll prefer a different life partner, true. So, no need to further argue that point.
@@martyh4777 Thai culture is not exactly Esan culture. Please be aware of this.
Overall, your observation is correct. Chinese descents hold much power in terms of economics since most of their ancestors are Teochew Chinese (one may have heard the term "Jews of the East"). These Chinese are highly respected by Thai people because of their hard-working, family culture, and ethics (Sorry, today mainlanders, you are not counted here). Even though Thai Chinese are richer than the pure Thais, believe it or not, we don't have a racial conflict here because we don't have a distinction between Thai-Chinese and Native-Thai people. They are all Thais from our point of view (This sentiment is very different if you look at the situations of Chinese in Malaysia or Indonesia). No one will say "Oh! Chinese own everything in Thailand nowadays", because we don't think Thai-Chinese are Chinese.
"Races play no role in Thailand" If Thai people see you speak Thai and most importantly accept and practice Thai cultures, they will be very happy to recognize you as a Thai regardless of your race or where you come from. (This makes it very different from the context in the US)
for people criticising forrest, hey, this is a youtube video not a university thesis - lol
Good point, Elvis.
Great video Forest! Can you do one on the key difference between dating kathoeys and thai women?
Hahaha to all your farang teachers!
Great video btw!
in our culture.. in Chinese culture, wealth and status plays significant role😂 Forrest ol chap, so it does in all cultures. If you paid attention, you would have noticed it in US UK and allover the globe! Even in Communist Cuba, I was stunned to discover a rich enclave in Havana
But the level of greed in Thailand is like nowhere else.
You're great! Love your videos ... very interesting about the difference in women.
You're correct, love is fine but if there is no bank, it can easily go out the window.
Hope you find your girl & she treats you like a King! Blessings
I like this video and understand where you coming from. I don't know about historical ethnic migrations, demographics studies or racial divisions. All I know my preference is for lighter skin Asian women and when I go to Thailand, that's what I'll hope to meet. I'm of North Asian blood and my North Asia born gf is the same as me. That's the type I'm attracted to. Not looking for any long term relationship, just a vacation in Thailand. I'm looking into what cities or provinces have the most Thai's of Chinese descendants to visit, along with BKK.
That said I believe most Asian countries have the similar customs, beliefs regardless of skin color. Don't stick chopsticks in the ricebowl, don't whistle at night, don't hammer at night, no shoes indoors etc. Need to show respect for all people especially in their own country, regardless of skin tone.
Money gives you more options. I would not say money solves 90% of one’s problem.
Somebody forgot to tell Elvis that. 😎
THANK YOU my FRIEND for this HONEST opinion.....................Cheers
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Many Chinese fled to Thailand to escape war or communism. Most didn't come to Thailand because they were rich.
Yep, poor when they got there.
@@majorkade Well, not all of them were poor. At least, my great grandfather wasn’t poor. He owned his junk ship and sailed with his men from China to Thailand. He was also a noble in the Thai royal court during King Rama V’s reign. There were already many Chinese in Bangkok back then.
@@Nivimary Didn't say all. I agreed with the original commenter. Most.
So glad I found your channel. I was looking for a rental in BKK and your Airbnb with Sophie popped up. By the way, you nailed it about Thai women. I am far far beyond dating chapter, but hope all the best to everyone who in that moment of life. Just be who you are, kind, sincere, work hard, have a purpose and you will attract the same kind of human beings.
Planning your sentimental life like it was a business...
I wonder if the most squalidly pragmatic in this aspect is tUS or Chinese culture :)
Hey man, are you a programmer?
sigh...
status? Surprised we are still doing this.
Love and knowing you'll make each other happy and together handle what the world has to throw at you was always my baseline.
Peace
Can u do a video about visas? What visa do u have that allows u to rent and stay in Thailand ?
I don’t understand why it’s a such hard thing for farangs to learn that Thai isn’t an ethnicity. Thais from northern to southern these are two separate people/ regions their genetic markups and cultures are different so how could you say Thai versus Chinese Thai as such the rest of Thailand are the same people who have the same mindset.
I was adopted from Thailand. Do I look fully Thai or Thai Chinese please? I don't know my full ethnic background
you look like half or some ethnicity from Northern thai.
@@tagorix5543 thanks I'll take a DNA test. They're between £50-80
@@evaa-w5399 So where in Thailand were you adopted?
@@tagorix5543 I was adopted from Bangkok in 1976, the end of the Vietnamese war with American GIs still being in Bangkok and they were white, native Americans and black. My biological mum's name was Wathana Toomnok and my dad's name was Jeema Tonesuwan, however kids were kidnapped and many of my adopted friends found it difficult to search their roots
Bai Yue..Ethnic groups who inhabited the regions of Southern China.InThe local minority speaks a Thai language related to northern Thai, a language spoken in Chiang Mai! When I tried to speak with a lady at a ‘Thai’ restaurant south of the Mekong river, I realised they use words in common with central Thai like ‘mai’ (wood), ‘nam’ (liquid) and ‘phak’ (vegetable), but their words for greetings were totally different from central Thai (‘sawasdee krap’), and so was the their word for rice (‘kao’ in central Thai). The touristic concrete architecture is Thai-inspired, but there are old houses with Thai style too, and there are buddhist monks.
If the current hypotheses are true, the Thai population of Thailand emanate from the Shan states in Burma which emanate from southern Yunnan.
I don’t know how you got all of these tainted information from, but the “Thai” culture is really complex and mixes with so many layer of both socio economical factor and also ethnical factor. To be able to fully grasp the whole complexity of this required a very good command of Thai, which I believe, hardly possessed by “ignorant” foreigners. The pure Thai concept is not even a thing before the propagandist, Phiboon promoted such a thing during the height of autocracy regime just before WW2. I won’t try to elaborate on every topic to make you understand all the nuances since it would be too long and impossible for such a medium like “CZcams comment section”. Nevertheless, one thing that to keep in mind is that every regions in Thailand (can be branched into 4 big regions) has their own uniqueness and history which thereby become the distinction in their cultures. The so-called “Pure Thai” as you said, with an appearance of “cruder” and not so “sophisticated” in nature, is the results of their cultural proximity rather than their ethnicity. For instance, in the northern part of Thailand (which can be roughly represented the pure “Tai” ethnic since they don’t mix with other ethnicities that much) people tends to be more preserve and traditional. Even for the Thai-Chinese in the north is significantly different from Thai-Chinese from, let say, Bangkok or Phuket. The regional cultural characteristics play a much bigger roll to how to see a true distinction not from the ethnicity.
Ps. As others have noted, the Thai with darker complexion doesn’t mean they are pure “Thai”. And if one wants to argue that pure “Tai” is the pure “Thai”. The Tai is actually pale and has the skin tone of the same complexion like any Han Chinese people.
Please do some research on Xishuangbanna and Zhaung people of southern China
Bai Yue..Ethnic groups who inhabited the regions of Southern China.InThe local minority speaks a Thai language related to northern Thai, a language spoken in Chiang Mai! When I tried to speak with a lady at a ‘Thai’ restaurant south of the Mekong river, I realised they use words in common with central Thai like ‘mai’ (wood), ‘nam’ (liquid) and ‘phak’ (vegetable), but their words for greetings were totally different from central Thai (‘sawasdee krap’), and so was the their word for rice (‘kao’ in central Thai). The touristic concrete architecture is Thai-inspired, but there are old houses with Thai style too, and there are buddhist monks.
If the current hypotheses are true, the Thai population of Thailand emanate from the Shan states in Burma which emanate from southern Yunnan.
Sounds like the movie, "Crazy, Rich Asians" but I think that was S'pore. Great video. I like aspirational people.
Forrest Lee I just left Thailand and you look like a muah thai boxer from Thailand lol , I agree thia women with Chinese mix background are more appealing to my eyes it’s comes downs to personal preference tho,
Thank you Forrest for your insights. I am currently chasing/pursuing a Thai mixed Chinese girl and it seems quite similar to your stories. Her dad gave her $2k to spend (USD I'm assuming) and she bought TWO bras. I'm absolutely shocked and speechless.
Good luck with that man, you'll be the one paying for those bras if that works out.
@@picadosinferno hahaha oh man, that might be true innit.
my parents gave me 500 usd for finishing college i bought a weed bong, i cant judge lmfao
That is what we call men like you in China----diors(hair next to the penis)
Just offer to take them off for her. 😆 🤣
What you said is generally true.
as a chinese american, im digging this video... along with my yellow fever brothers... keep em coming
This dude is kind of a dork about women. I would NOT take this guys advice.
Forest is a protégé of David Bond. He knows what he's taking about.
what is your experience dating Latinas? Is there certain expectation from them or from you? interesting keep exploring for us! 🌞
Interesting observations.
Sounds like you’re a serial dater in Thailand lol. I’m heading out there this summer for a few months, what’s the best dating app these days?
Thanks.
I asked about where he meets some of these ladies but he never replied. Maybe he said it on another video but I didn’t see it. Hopefully he shares that this time.
tinder, but lots of bots and fake profiles in there these days so be aware..
He's just a pound shop David Bond who is his hero. Which tells you everything you need to know
It's a very materialism society around world now. Wealth is a man's guts, without it very hard.
Very Anglo-American point of analysis at the beginning.
I really enjoy this kind of videos from you and your perspective. I can always relate to that and it's so insightful. You feel like my big brother haha
Well done Lee - keep up the good work! And please issue more content - more frequently when you can 👍👍 Stay strong! 💪
Being born and raised in multicultural Toronto Canada, I share your observations about Chinese women's preoccupation with other people's money. Several male Chinese IT co-workers have made similar comments to me, and cited this as the reason *they would never marry a Chinese woman*. I have repeatedly been told the Chinese woman's primary goal of "marrying into money" stems from the supposed tradition of the Chinese father usually leaving his estate to his son(s) only -- not his daughters. Is there any truth to this, or has this ever been true?
Yes, it was definitely true before. But this may have changed with the times.
You're the last person I would look to for dating advice. There are so many awesome women in Thailand that are not bar girls and are great girlfriends. But you seem to be stumbling over yourself and talking about having trouble finding dates on Tinder. I think you should really try to come back down to earth and stop trying to act like you are so far above all the other expats that live in Thailand because you're not.
You obviously don’t like him. So why bother wasting your time watching his videos you weirdo. Are you a lonely sad internet troll???
As a Thai girl, 💯% agree !.
Money buys power, lust and social status but you cannot buy love or respect!
Money can buy honey too!
Yeah for the ones I knew, that observation is spot on. I would not date a Thai chinese women though, I grew up with that facade of wealth around me and I strongly reject it and would not want to get myself into a relationship where this is the core of it.
No money no honey
@@monozheng6370 how much are you willing to pay for honey though... sometimes only sugar would do it.
Agree!
Forrest what a great video. please do more videos like this . dating and women there
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1:14 the first girl girl is thai-Indian it very hard to find 100% thai they away mix like thai-lao or thai-Chinese but it just example
Exactly right; if you are a foreigner, you won't most likely be dating upper crust women due to all the reasons you spoke to. Because you are Asian American you have the inside track. Rock your privilege Forrest, I would if I were in your position we all would . It's just a natural as most Socio-Economic realities all over the world.
You will be dating them if you have the money. if you go to Singapore and most other Asian countries Western men are most in demand, where they are distinctly above average socio economically. But Thailand tends to attract the broke expats who are here to lower their living expenses...
all I dated in Thailand was high-so Thai girls Thai Chinese girls lol
LOL.. the discussion on these types of things are always too funny! It's just a stupid thing to focus on...
Are you friends with David Bound?
Can you please make a video about emigrate to thailand. What things need to be done. What is necessary to open a bank acount types of visas ect. Taxes of stocks and dividends gains...
Even in the Philippines, the Chinese family are the wealthy wealthy families in the Philippines. The chinese/philippino families own everything and go to the best schools. The philippino only family are the lower level.
White people are still on top of the food chain.
Yes, and the Filipinos who mixed with the Spanish Europeans are considered more beautiful 😍
Same in Malaysia and Indonesia.
Thank you so much, Forrest Lee. It was very informative and I learn so much about Thai-Chinese and Ordinary Thais. You are so knowledgeable.
Yooo your the maaan bruh
I tried 2 thai Chinese women
1- my Dr
2- my gf
So beautiful, good behavior, mercy me more than anyone thought
Take care me a lot ❤
Greetings from Dubai 🙋
How frequently do Han people in Thailand 🇹🇭 still speak in a Han dialect and have a fully Han name?
True southeast asian mixed with chinese is all about status my mix chinese friend told me this also the losing face
It's ORIGIN-CURRENT RESIDENCY(or nationality) order. What little Forrest is referring as Thai-Chinese are actually Chinese-Thais. Little Forrest will introduce himself to anyone as Chinese-American not American-Chinese. Do you see the difference???
"money solves 90 percent of problems"
I guess the wives of Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Will Smith, and Jonnie Depp didn't get the memo.
there are two things i’d want to point out. first of all, the idea of separating thais and thais of chinese descent into two different groups is quite old fashion. that’s 50-60+ year old people’s mindset tbh. people here don’t really care about being what or what else anymore regardless of their background. i’ve been exposed to so called “hiso” society, even though i’m not one of them, i can say that there are so many thai thais that are in the group and it’s nothing to do with racial background at all. second of all, not all of thais of chinese descent have light skin and not all thai thais have dark skin. thai people simply are a mixed of vary ethnicities. some have light skin, some don’t (and vise versa for thais of chinese descent as well)
and i’m saying this from a perspective of a young half thai-chinese who has dark skin and has been exposed to both upper class and lower class people myself
You are wise, and speaking truth.
0:57 You showed the photo of Northern Thai women , lol.
In a country like Thailand, you certainly don't want to be poor.
Actually Wealth n Status play a significant role in all cultures world wide
People who grew up in nice confines n had a relatively better quality of life would obviously want that quality of living to be maintained in matrimony for themselves n their offspring.
This would naturally make them more demanding n discerning when choosing a life partner.
In a nutshell, the average Thai Chinese parents would want their daughter to look for dudes with proper jobs n stable-progressive careers (not youtubers n freelancers with uncertain income) n have fixed assets like cars n houses. Folks living in rented apartments will be last in the queue.
The demands will lessen for women above 35 as she is considered "beyond marriage-able age" in local terms at this stage.
It's a known fact that Thai Chinese guys will pile up their assets to increase their market eligibility as most of them prefer young educated females of the same race n socio-economic mix
The same thing occurs for Chinese guys in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, HK, South Korea , Taiwan, Japan n China n is one of the factors that create demand for property .
Folks with lesser means will have to lower their demands by going for older women or those who are lower down the socio-economic ladder or to head to poorer countries to increase their relative eligibility ..
I think Northern Thais who don't look much like Chinese or Brown Skin Thais Either, So Thailand seems to have two types of native sort of Thais?
The brown mostly Thai-Khmer.
I watched crazy rich asians, I know whats up 😆
Your right I married A Hong Kong Chinese and your 100 percent right on! I’m Asian American so it’s a lot easier to share our lives. No money issues here got plenty!
It surprised me a lot.When we found out and also ancient Thai people had DNA associated with northern Chinese people. (Thai ancient people are half Chinese). The latest information on ancient DNA ... Prof. Dr. Viphu also took a sample of ancient DNA in Pangmapha District, Mae Hong Son Province, 1600-1800 years old found that Pangmapha DNA has a 50% genetic ratio from northern China. This information goes into Thaipbs' CZcams's topic of DNA, ancient people, cave-in.
Where is the link?
@@DanielYi-cl8scแม่ฮ่องสอนnorthern thailandczcams.com/video/3As6fg48nC4/video.htmlsi=D9NgQcYS_1z-shVV
The cave in pangmapha district mae hong son province.THAILAND
Great vid. Definitely different in the Philippines, most HiSo women here won't date a foreigner even if they have money, similar to Korea which is probably the most closed society to foreign men.
Most foreigners who date Asian women are losers in their own countries so the ladies they attract are of low economic strata, not HiSo.
HiSo Filipinos marry HiSo foreigners. Jaime Zobel de Ayala's wife is a HiSo Colombian
Chinese has a saying "date and marry a person of equal social and economic background, unless you are exceptional ", 門當户對
Smart
Always look forward to your videos, it inspires me, makes me laugh & smile, and always thought provoking.
Warren Buffet said, that the number one thing he looks for in a woman is low expectation, that way, it’s all upside! I guess, there’s some truth to that. But to me, it’s whether that person is willing to accept you for who you are - warts & all, even if it means rejecting her family norms. That there is true love, none of that BS Hollywood crock.
I'm thai Chinese person
But i declared myself as a thai person
i was a tourist a Thailand. A Chinese Thai owner in the tourist area discriminated against Thais. I don't know if she was a new immigrant or born in Thaiand. I didn't buy anything from her because of that.
I blame prime minister Plaek Phibunsongkhram for changing the name of the country from Siam to Thai 70+ years ago that confuse not only the foreigner but also many new Thai generations who don't do research on the history and just rely on the teaching in school.
First of all, Tai and Thai are the same things same ethnicity. But to be fair, in our modern time, we Thai people are quite all aware and agree that the people who live in this country "Thailand" in the present time are from many roots and ethnicities which is not only from "Thai or Tai ethnicity". "Thai people" in the modern days especially among the young generation seem to promote equality among each ethnicity, seeing every Thai citizen as the same Thai. That is why I can see some people comment here and seem to be piss-off when you try to discriminate between each Thai citizen.
Money is not very thing , but the girl 99.9% choose guy with money.
It looks like suggestion for gold digger. You guys have a chance if you are rich, young and looking good. Forget about it if you guys are just average expat. Another qualification for gold diggers, you guys have to be white skin or pale skin like Korean, Japanese or Chinese.
Not average . He literally said broke ass dude lol
Rich, young, white, good-looking, 6 feet tall, money in bank...unlimited options.
If you are rich enough, ugly or not, you will always win over a ton of girls, end of story. No need to be Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. ‘Cause if these men are broke, almost no girl will stay, period. And this applies to the majority of women across the globe.