Defensive and Penalty Kill Woes Sink Avs in Loss to Stars. Division Likely Gone
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2024
- On yesterday's episode, we discussed the never-ending goalie situation with the Colorado Avalanche. After the 7-4 loss to the Dallas Stars Sunday night we can add defensive and penalty kill problems to that list.
It's odd to do that with the penalty kill at least. It has been excellent as of late. But it looked dreadful against Dallas. Was it just a blip on the radar or have the Avs been figured out?
The defense on the other had has had it's share of ups and downs all season, and Dallas exploited hole after hole.
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I just want to say I saw this coming a mile away, I saw all the good teams we had to play and thought ohh right in time for our annual end of the regular season no show lol this is Deja vu of the end of 2022.
Gahhhhhbage time!
adin hill never played one nhl game till he was on vegas as a 4th stringer and won the cup , is that not a "rookie" id say so ,turn the juice loose, you only get playoff exp one way thats by playing
Only one way to find out
This is the way
Hill also had a formidable defense in front of him in VGK. Vegas' dcore are all over 6ft and over 200lbs. BIG dudes with attitude AND skill. Avs blue line has skill but they have NO attitude and NO F**K YOU mentality. Kuemper was just find because the Avs had that in '22. A rookie goalie can do just fine when the team in front play defense at the level VGK and COL did in their cup runs.
Hill played about 80 games before going to Vegas. Or do you mean never played an NHL postseason game?
I am a fan of JAnnu, who ever starts in the playoffs will have my back. Its a team effort and nothing else :)
We can talk about Annunen, after he has played against the good teams. He played in Tampa, And that result was terrible. Currently, he will only play when Georgiev is injured. Georgiev played good yesterday, spectacular in the first 10 minutes - I agree 100% with Coach Bednar’s opinion. The coach knows best!
I support whoever it is, I just need to know how big of a bottle of Tums I need to buy
@@shaggyvondoom I recommend the tropical-fruit-flavored ones.
Thought you boys were too harsh yesterday, and not harsh enough today. It averages out to bang on, I guess :^)
Don't know if you can call this 'garbage time' before the playoffs - fighting for home ice is .. well, very serious business.
However. This ship will be righted, no matter how freaking frustrating these last two games were.
Was also disappointed in ESPN not showing *any video whatsoever* to defend/explain a double minor call. Sometimes it seems they shy away from showing anything too...violent.
Oh here's my rendition of the eclipse: (
We like average 😂
I was at the game and they didn’t even show a replay of the high stick there either, super frustrating cause it didn’t look that bad and there was no blood on the ice
Can't stand this team right now. Why is our bottom 6 so bad? We can't count any goals from the bottom 6 on any night. Dallas bottom 6 has like 3 times as many points as ours.
DAL wasting their efforts for a regular season game. Since the Avs are beat up rn, its best to save strength to win playoff contests.
The booty 6 is more like like it *rimshot*…I’ll see myself out lol
@petrpumpkineater - Seems it was important for Dallas to win, otherwise they'd be stuck (entering the playoffs) thinking they couldn't.
@kenmammel7748 Forget the playoffs. Just compare their bottom 6 points to Avs bottom 6 points. I read it somewhere, I'll post if I find it. Avs rely too much on Mac, Mak, or Rant playing out of their minds.
As for the playoffs, lack of depth scoring was how they lost to Seattle in the 1st round. The bottom 6th had no goals in the Kraken series.
play juice the next 3/4 minni ,jets and oilers , everyones always like oh he didnt play good teams thats why he did goood . well lets put that to the test pls
I don’t see why not
Georgiev masterclass
40 needs help with mindset techniques. This defeatist attitude is not good
I feel like we just don’t know what to expect
I don't think Mack is as concerned about the Hart as we are. I'm sure he wants it but I think he's more concerned about being fresh and healthy for the playoffs
It’s in his mind tho
I am actually optimistic for several reasons. 1) this is likely the last run for Cogs, JJ & Parise. Gotta give 110% 2) Guys playing for new contracts in Mitts, Walker, Yak, JD & Doo. 3) NK51 still hiding in the bushes. 4) Nuke redemption. 5) Who's your Goalie? Georgie isn't done by a long shot & Juice is the young hotness. They will bring out the best in each other. 6) Depth! 14 starting F, 8 starting D (w Malinski), 2 starting goalies. The 1996 Avs had similar depth & it made guys play hard to avoid being healthy scratched.
I'm excited to see which of these underdog storylines comes true & who takes it personally & takes it out on Winnipeg to begin! This group is focused on the ultimate goal & can't wait to get the post season started. I stand by my Game 1 prediction of a blowout 7-2 style!
I like your thinking and will hop on here lol
Bednar was actually quite complimentary of Gorgy's game against Dallas. Giving up 6 goals is hardly something to write home about but, in fairness, that 4 minute penalty is what killed us. Hard to blame the goalie for that but Dallas sure made us pay.
That double minor changed the game for sure
Georgi-Sieve is a known commodity at this point. As someone mentioned - Aidan Hill won it as a rookie last year. The only way you get playoff experience is playoff experiences. Let it ride with Juice. Worst case is he has some Georgiev-like performances but he gets some playoff seasoning.
I've seen a couple comments on this and I don't know where this Adin Hill rookie narrative is coming from. He's been in the league since 2017 and had about 80 games under his belt prior to the Vegas cup team. Plus, Hill didn't start playing in the playoffs until Brossoit got injured in the 2nd round. In that regard it would be similar to when and where I would like to see Justus play in the playoffs. If Gerogiev is failing, then bring him in.
Fourgiev's issues are easily fixable, but he does need the correct mentorship. 1) be better 1v1. He is too passive on these types of chances & needs to pressure the shooter into a bad choice. This will help him get that extra Big Save per game. 2) Mimdset! Take a deep breath: this works! Don't piss off teammates: yell into the air or something but dnot disrespect your guy physically. Affirmations, visualization, manifesting, meditation, letting go. He needs to stay grounded & focused. Bednar will let him ride after 4-5 goals & with the Avs offense they can come back, but he needs to quit breaking down in a snowball rolling downhill. This is wherr a good psychologist or mentor can lift him up. He can do it, but the quesrion is: will he??
That's a real interesting theory about trust between the goalies and the d. It's not uncommon for teams to play better in front of their backup but maybe the d just has a better read on where Justus is weak and it's easier to defend that weakness. Georgie seems impossible in that area because it's often the soft ones that he can't handle so how the hell can the d fix that?
The lack of consistency reaps these side effects at this point in the season in regards to trust
This team has no D, period. The defense, including Makar and Toews - is atrocious.
It’s been rough for sure
I criticized the GM on a fan page for not addressing the goaltending issue and got absolutely freakin' howled down by dozens of angry fans. I haven't seen a shred of evidence on the ice to suggest I spoke out of turn, and nothing to change my mind.
Welcome to your happy place lol
I am so sad that Frankie is not in the position to take over #1 from Georgie this year. He was always there for us when we needed him (well, when he was healthy) and could step up beyond what most backup's can do. He went undefeated for us in the 2022 cup run for cryin' out loud! He was between the pipes as we closed out 2 series.
I was at this game, the Avs got handily outplayed in the 1st but after that I really think they were the better team 5 on 5, especially in the 3rd, but those penalties in the second absolutely killed them and they didn’t play much 5-5 because of that. As you mentioned Chris I don’t understand why that was a double minor, there was nobody scraping blood off the ice at all and the high stick didn’t look egregious enough to be a double minor with no blood. and again I will state that there was no blood at all, no people with the big shovel scraping it up like what happened with toews last night
That being said the penalty kill and defense as a whole, especially defending net front, was atrocious. IMO It’s the worst they’ve looked on the backend all season, they cleaned it up slightly in MN last night but I have some major concerns about the defense and general effort right now. Feels like whoever we’re playing is winning every puck battle along the boards and you absolutely need to win those in the playoffs.
Really interested to see what happens when we play the jets on Friday as that’s our most likely first round matchup and they’ve also been having some struggles lately
Bednar SAYS positive things about Georgiev because he HAS to; he has no choice. Georgiev is not a mentally strong guy. It’s not a knock, it’s just a fact. My wife lets things roll off her back more easily than me. We are different people. The FACT is that Georgiev does not have confidence. He gets down and gets angry. Much of this is on him. Allowing the first goal in so many games is a pattern, not happenstance.
I want him to find that next gear in confidence
By all accounts, Middlestadt can’t drive a line, and is a doubtful “Kadri”replacement. Dallas’ draft class of ‘17 and ‘21 have solidified their lineup and supplemented Benn, Pavalski, and Saguin. Dallas has Eight 20 goal scorers on their roster. Our only hope is Oettinger coming apart in the playoffs, b/c the Avs still lack effective/productive depth.
Admittedly im not sure what we expect from a team who doesn't show up half way through the game. As dallas had what, 16-17 shots by the end of the first to avs 6...they need to start showing up on time or at least earlier than half way through the second.
And secondly one reason why i don't like being hard on georgiev is because im willing to bet that when he signed they told him he just needs to sit pretty and stop 20-25 shots a night...because the Avs offense were the ones who were supposed to be on the other end of the ice popping 40 shots. By all means georgiev imo is doing what hes supposed to do and thats being quote on quote "good enough" not great not bad just good enough.
And yet to me it seemed like he was the only one who really showed up on time against dallas and the team infront of him let him out to dry. Not saying it wasn't his fault at all for the loss. some goals he let in i thought he could've stopped liked the first one, if he didnt bite probably would have stopped it imo. But i digress those are my thoughts.
The effort is my big concern top to bottom
It has been tough to watch. The team that won the cup, played a tougher style of game, pressure the puck and grind. We can’t pass the puck and don’t know how to spell defense.
This ain’t that team
ya the double minor replays were sus , i barly caught it but it looked like walker lifted the guys stuck and his stick hit his own face not walkers ,another reason why i hate the broadcast crap , were at home and we dont get our feed like come on , all year on sportsnet ive got like maybe 10 feeds of altitude
The stripes be striping
No no im so sick of the this is how the 2022 season endded conversation, 2022 ended the way it did because we clinched the WEST not the central the whole WEST like 10 games early , we rested our top guys against teams playing for a playoff spot which lead to that god awful end to that season, this year we only clinched the playoffs, we lost the division, and were still in a dig fight against Winnipeg for home ice and this is how were playing, i hate to be the doomer but realistically they have 4 games to get into gear and thats not a lot of time
Ya and Boston won 67 freaking games last year then promptly lost to a 42 win team, nothing that happens in the regular season tells you anything about the playoffs. That's why I never get worked up about the regular season because nothing actually matters
@@RIPJimmyA7X I'm just kind of sick of people trying to compare this team to the 2022 team it's just not idc even if we win the cup were not going 16-4 again 2022 was 2 seasons ago it's time to focus on 2024 not the past
@@rtvtictaczac727 oh OK for sure, plus we will never be that stacked again, that was the best salary cap team ever. I mention the end of 2022 to people simply to remind them that good teams can absolutely just flip a switch outta nowhere, we are not anywhere as good this year though
@@RIPJimmyA7X oh I believe we can too I mean look at that 9 game wins streak after the trade deadline we were struggling pretty bad prior to that too I just hope we can do that in the playoffs and after a loss bounce back, during that cup run Rudo on DNVR kept saying to treat every game like it was game 1, play with the intensity like as if it's game 1 of they playoffs all over again and I think they can flip the switch and go on a run but they have to be the ones to do it, the depth has to do it,the defense has to, the stars absolutely will do it, and most importantly Georgiev needs to do it
This is not the 22 team and I won’t buy that convo lol
The avs D-men are to small to remove opposing players from in front of Georgi. Manson and johnson are certainly capable of removal but makar, toews and Walker are all very talented players but on the smaller side and not able to handle big forwards that set up camp in front of the net. Girard seems like the odd man out here as his offense isn't really needed and he is very small for a D-man.
The Avs were coming back but again our goalie let that marchment goal through his body and from there the cone back was dead,,, in games like this when nothings working he could of stopped the boarding at the right time and given your team a chance to win,,, that’s his job all he has to be is good , make the right saves at the right time,,, we don’t need a vezina goalie all we need is steady
I have a bad feeling about this.
The force is strong with this one
Dang it’s toxic in this comments section today, LOL
Here’s my take. They’re definitely sputtering to get to the finish line and it’s been tough to watch recently. However, they also just went on a 9 game heater and looked great for most of it. This team knows how to get it done in the playoffs and I think/hope we’ll see a much better version of the Avs once the playoffs do start. Lots of folks think they know exactly what’s going to happen (spoiler: none of you do) and the only thing I know with certainty is that I have no idea what’s going to happen. Every team in the west has looked great and has looked like crap at points throughout the season. Flip a coin. Heads they show up and go on a run. Tails, they get bounced in round 1 or 2 🤷🏼♂️
Kyle, your logic really shocks me: If the Avs get more than 4 goals it is ALWAYS Georgiev’s fault! Without Georgiev, they would have been 0-4 behind after 10 minutes. They lost yesterday because 4 defensemen sucked: Manson and Toews were horrific and Girard, I am not wasting my time any longer, even Makar was far off his best. When Walker and Johnson are your best d pair, you know what the problem is. I can only agree with Coach Bednar: Georgiev played well and wasn’t at fault for any OF THE DALLAS GOALS! And the coach should know it better than you, Kyle. There is only one option for the playoffs: Georgiev is the goalie as long as he is healthy period. No discussions!
MacFarland could have gotten Quick last season as a backup, this season Allen - both times he did not act.
The broadcast said there was blood on the ice but you want them to shove a camera in Benn’s face to really get a good look at all that blood…wtf? lol
We'll you're going to the extreme level. But some visual proof for the viewer would have been nice
I NEED TO KNOW THE BLOODTYPE AND HEMOGLOBIN LEVELS …STAT!
@@LockedOnAvalanche that’s the opposite of “nice” for most casual viewers lol Altitude might not care but most hockey broadcast will cut away when someone is bleeding all over the ice. It’s typically seen as being in bad taste to show that on tv. Also, some viewers can have a bad reaction to just the site of blood. Benn got stuck pretty hard by Walker. If they had to scrape his blood off of the ice, I’m going take their word for it on this one. It’s not a conspiracy to lie to you. 😆
@@Joe_Ma99 oh I'm not claiming they were lying. And I don't think people wanted to see any graphic detail up close. But u can show enough for the viewer to have their own conclusions on if it was a bad call or not. We didn't get that. We just words. And this country loves violence. They can handle a little blood. Not like the dude was bleeding out on the ice.
@@LockedOnAvalanche personally, I don’t mind them showing blood to an extent (Adam Johnson type events excluded) but it’s not abnormal at all for a national broadcast to cut away from it. Like I said, Walker stuck Benn pretty hard so I don’t think that’s a ridiculous ask from the broadcast to take their word for it.
Chris and Kyle love to talk stats when it comes to Mackinnon and the Hart trophy. But hockey is a team sport so let’s talk about the last three starts by Georgiev who has allowed 16 goals in those 3 games. Right now, Annunen has let in less goals than Georgiev. I say Bednar will play Annunen tonight and Georgiev on Saturday against the Jets. We will see Annunen play against Vegas. Sean Walker is a bad defender compare to Bo Byram. The defenders of this team is half the reason why the AVS record is 1-3 this month of April. Exciting games seen by these eyes this month of April. AVS only going to play 11 more games this 2023-24 season. You can take that to the Bank. Awesome Sauce
Unpopular opinion but it's true...Cale Makar has been playing like an absolute pu**y. And going into playoffs he BETTER score out of his mind because he's not defending for shit. Barely makes any hits all season. Half ass-ing it lately on the PK (WHY are our best guys taking chance of being on the PK??). I harp on Girard all the time but THE TOP PAIR is the ones who are untrustworthy right now. Very limited confidence in this team going into the biggest part of the year.
Kyle, get glasses because you did not see what Coach Bednar and all the people in the arena saw: The defense screwed up and NOTHING on Georgiev. Oettinger or any other top goalie would have had the same result. It is disgusting to hear you blabbering the same shit over and over again. Why don't you go and do it better? Let Annunen play against Dallas and we will see, like in Tampa, horrific! Thank God, Coach Bednar is not listening to your nonsense!