One wrong piston?!? Chevy Stovebolt 216 engine gets put back together | Redline Update #27
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2019
- Davin is on the final push to get our 1950 Chevrolet Stovebolt 216 inline-6 engine back together. This one goes out to those of you asking for longer episodes! Davin gets into some nitty gritty details on the build including checking bearings for oil clearance, gapping rings, assembling pistons, setting valve lash, and more. Fortunately, we only hit one major snag: one of the 6 cast iron pistons was the wrong size...... Oh shizzlesticks!
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I like how ever one of these Redline Rebuilds is a different engine.
Oh boy! I just don't know how many of those old "stove bolts" I've worked on in my day. What I love about 'em is their relative simplicity. Only bad thing was the babbitt bearings they used to use. Otherwise they were pretty bullet proof. IF ya didn't want a racer. Love your video. Brings back a lot of memories. Thanks.
I'm in my mid 60s, love to see these rebuilds, I've done lots of them. Your all about the little details, I'm not, saying that, I've never had a failure, these old engines are tougher then you think. Well do guys, love it.
Thank you for using high quality cameras and not the lousy cell phone videos that most use.
Been following your videos since the beginning. Learned almost as much from y'all as I did in my 20 years as an Auto mechanic/Jet engine tech! Respect from way down in Hawaii!
808 Tait yeah bra I have islanders in my family when we get together we have a lot of fun and a lot of good food just thought I'd mention that from Ramona California🕶"
Old motor manuals had a template for you to make a cardboard "target" for adjusting the oil tubes in the pan. The oil tubes sprayed oil on the wrist pins to lube the bushings in the pistons. You had to use a pressure reducing valve set at 15 psi coupled to the oil manifold in the pan and attach a water hose. You then bent each of six tubes from the manifold so they would squirt water through holes in the Target. If you don't do this you get piston slap in 20 or 30 K miles from worn piston bushings.
I wish I could apprentice with an engine builder with your level of experience with regard to these old engines. They may not be the powerhouses of today but they certainly have a place and use even now. Thanks to Hagerty for keeping this all rolling. Nice job ladies and gentlemen
Good video as always!
Nice to see the Stovebolt taking shape. Looking forward to the Redline Rebuild of this amazing engine.
There is beauty in the simplicity of these engines. I love how they look all freshened up.
Brings back a lot of memories. My first engine build. Had an automotive machinist give tech advisement. Yes pistons are cast iron & they fit tight because they expand at the same rate as the block. On the valve locks: use a better type of spring compressor & installing them is way easier. The type with 2 fingers to depress the spring will make things easier. Oil scraper ring- typical for the day. Fuel pump- again typical for the day. Rod & main bearings: the 216 & early 235 were all babbit beaters & you used rod bearing inserts?? You need to explain that. You didn't explain the connecting rod oil cups. Those little sheet metal cups that capture some oil at each revolution of the crankshaft. There are no oil holes drilled in the crankshaft so that is the only way that the rod bearings get oil. Also there was a template that you could bolt onto the oil pan, apply oil pressure to the oil line in the pan & check the spray pattern to the con rod from the little nozzles in the oil pan. The large freeze plug at the rear of the engine: smack it in the center w/ the ball pein hammer to properly expand it into the bore of the block. Other than all that you did OK, for a beginner. Been building engines all my adult life, retired from American after building aircraft engines for 20 years.
Larryhutchens They used a converted babbit rod to accept the insert bearings and yes they get oild via the dipper, the whole weak point of the engine, I never considered they were worth rebuilding, I swapped the whole 216 for a later 235 with full pressure oil !!!
You say it's boring but I'm pretty sure we're all here to see engines being built. I like seeing all the process and I've been building them for 40 years. It still doesn't bore me.
It is fascinating watching the assembly of the engine!
The thing I love about these old engines are they are so simple so practicle as fuel pump with glass wind a breze to check flow simple mechncal distributor single coil...a single carburator...needs so simple tools to repair ....so relaxing and satisfying to work..
That those sheet metal panels are still available is amazing !! For a special, then expensive car, or 60"'s Mustangs, I would understand, but the low demand for such panels for a 70 year old, common farm workhorse, that's impressive !! Really !
So cool watching these rebuild videos. I wish I had that kind of knowledge and talent.
Oh man!! keep these vids coming!!!
Love your videos. Don't know much about engines but enjoy watching these!
We hope you're learning a bit along the way!
Thank you so much for doing this video it took me right back to the days when I was working right next to dad on his vehicles I love those air cleaners back then they were very cool very interesting on how things were engineered back then and how they are today great job building net engine
A 30 minute video, yes siiiiiiir
We aim to please.
Hell yeah...my line manager is not happy :)) I watched it from start to finish
Vids like this have replaced my tv.
For a couple years now.
This is my favorite video so far! Thank you for your efforts, you make me feel 16 again. I wanted to be a mechanic when I was younger and i still enjoy learning these things.
Almost everyday my boss/mechanic tells me what you watching I said Hagerty.. Who that? a bad ass mechanic that knows what he doing...now he told me the other day he watched your videos and was quite impressed with your work.
I like that not EVERY build has to be maximum horsepower. Sometimes it's cool just to go authentic.
While I don't mind authentic, it does bother me that there are so many missed opportunities to improve performance and efficiency that are completely invisible and don't even require new parts or include parts that should be changed if it's a driver. Because there is nothing worse than a garage queen. All the ports should have been cleaned up and matched. All the oil passages and drainbacks deburred. There's no legit reason to keep it 6v, there are then completely invisible 12v electronic ignitions which would fit inside the cap and never leave you trying to find a condenser screw in the gravel on the roadside at night. A Rochester 2bbl would have so much better driveability and would look just fine to 99.9% of people. He said it's a driver, not a museum piece, so it should be nice to drive; these aren't Max hp super hot rod things, just easy stuff that doesn't add much cost or time to the build, but makes every minute driving it a ton better. It bothers me more than it should that none of this stuff was done while they were in there, why bother to rebuild it if you aren't going to make it better.
@@gasfiltered I agree 100%!
@@gasfiltered Because not everyone is enamored with performance upgrades. I grew up with these engines, we cared about fuel mileage & reliability. Performance? Get a bigger engine. Get a crate engine, whatever. I have a mid 70s 292 in my 81 squarebody & could care less about the upgrades. I have a 327 on the stand if I were interested. Sometimes we just like old school cool.
@@gasfiltered I also agree with doing the mods you mentioned. One thing I didn't like about this build was the use of plain cast iron piston rings. They just aren't as good as moly rings., and the price for moly rings isn't that much higher.
Having a stock cam may be great, but some modern cams have more "Area under the curve" which means they get more HP, more usable RPM, and still have good idle and vacuum.
I don't know what kind of oil filtration these engines came with, but everything should have a full flow system with a modern filter. I can't think of many things that extend classic engine life as much as a modern full flow filtration setup. If the car won't look right with a spin on filter, there are companies that make classic looking canisters that accept modern filter media.
@@gasfiltered I built a 6 volt electronic ignition just to annoy people who like 12 volt. No other reason. Just to make '12 volt is a must' crowd cry.
Edit: Programmable too. For extra tears for the masses.
charming old engines are fun to watch you rebuild
Yes long video so good, thanks for great content keep it up guys. Love hearing the knowledge that this channel gives
Wow. I almost know how internal combustion engines work now! These videos are making me want to give up music and become an auto mechanic! I wonder how many people originally manufactured and assembled this motor and how much each person knew about how the whole engine worked. Amazing job!
3:30, "STICKTION"
I like it, and going to steal it....
New word yea
@@kyleforeman4543 Not a new word...been using it for decades in the IT industry to describe hard drives that won't spin up due to internal friction
Also used often in the suspension industry
I think the official word is “adhesion”, but only “stiction” will work for me anymore.
Used all the time in the diesel world
love your work!
Finally a video longer than 3 mins 🙌🏾
This ain't Motor Trend!
Back in the 50's my grandpa has a 35 Chevy 3 window coupe and he had a 235 that was his race motor. I love the stories surrounding these old hunks of American Iron.
as I remember from my childhood when opening engine to rebuild or just to change rings .or to clean it ...each piston connecting rod bearings crankbering were marked to their respective clynder ....same in case of head valves ...springs..shims ...exlent aunthetic work
Amazing and something so simple an engine can last for a longgg time ..thank you for something so great
Right off the start I could see that one of the pistons looked different than the rest, good sign to check them right away.
I love coming in from my shop doing my 68 GMC build and have a couple adult beverages and watch you guys getting it done.👍
Paul MacDonald yes sir cup of cold wins does the trick you retain more knowledge I find it works well.🕶"
@Paul Macdonald I recognized your picture. Greetings from Langley🍻
I love the color on the engine. It looks really awesome.
Beautiful engine restoration 😍
Probably one of the most detailed videos I've seen anywhere of one of these old motors. I'm currently working on a '37 Chevy Master which has essentially the exact same engine and having this video makes everything so much more clear. Thanks for the great video y'all!
By the way, love the shop Oster oven. I have the same one that does all kinds of heating for me when I need hot parts.
Beautiful love it thanks for taking the time :)
Fantastic video with whole bunch of educational information. Thank you.
Looking forward lovely video. Cheers Davin and all other guys
I have always been fond of these Motors. They run so smooth and really are pretty strong. Back when I was a kid you could pick an old Chevy on the cheap with one of these in it, everybody was looking for the V8's. One of these with a Three on the Tree could really cook!
Man I just love the look of those old fuel pumps with the glass bowl. You can see for yourself the quality of your gas.
The 1950s and 60s gasoline did not have alcohol added like it is now. I remember my '59 Plymouth sometimes it would sputter and you would check the filter bowl for water. If you saw some just take it loose. Dump the gas and tap the screen to knock the sediment off. Then put it back together.
That engine looks like an early version of the "Blue Flame" Six that Chevy used in later years
So much auntheic so antiquated i love it n lock it I will steel it...wow original piston n rings in original paper pack ...fuel pump that is alike i rebuild some years ago ....best part is iron priming as I have seen that opening old engines ...some real original work seen after a long long time ...thank u sir....👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😁
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Thanks Davin , great video and very informative , I enjoy and learn at the same time !
I rebuilt a 216 six in a 52 Chevy in 1966 in automotive shop. Mine was a Babbitt bearing engine not a insert bearing, had a motor manual for that year. I was awarded a scholarship in automotive engineering to Weber State University because of it. I was the only guy that had ever rebuilt an engine and transmission sense the school had opened in the early sixties. The shop teacher was so impressed that a 17 year old would take his only transportation and tear it down and walk to school for a few months that he personally petitioned the university for me. My social life suffered but I had a blast with that old car. Best of memories.
Wish I could find a video replacing Babbit rods with inserts.
Is very excellent what you do video I can't wait to get the whole truck 👍😁
Thank you for the keeper and grease tip. 👍
Thank you, I learned a lot.
Nice. I like to see a rebuild of an old school engine instead of someone that just drops in a crate motor. Lets see more old school engine rebuilds.
I recently got a crate motor for my truck. Pretty much had to after the one that was in it decided to send a rod through the side. Going from a lame 4.7l dodge motor to a 5.7 l hemi. Got a few parts to replace on my truck so the motor will work properly.
Dirt Road that old 216 with the dipper oil system is NOT worth the effort and cost to rebuild !!! Should have put a later 235 in with the full pressure oil system !!!
@Lassi Kinnunen When did I say anything about the video or what they were doing?? I did not. All I said is what I had to do to get my truck back running that was it. Go take your own advice and stop harassing others.
Yes! I am so sick of LS swaps. Keep it honest.
Even cooler was the use of all those nos parts.
Nicely done guys....
Do not add bolts to the end of the exhaust manifold. If you add bolts it can cause the exhaust manifold to crack. The shiny side of the exhaust manifold gasket needs to face the exhaust manifold so the manifold can grow length wise when it gets hot. I spent 40 years learning about, repairing, improving and hot rodding pre 1963 Chevy six cylinder engines.
Nice Job !!! Enjoying Your Videos !!!
!Great work as always!, interesting, professional and yet fun.... I would like you to go further on explaining about piston rods static and dynamic balancing. Again, GREAT JOB!
As well shot, and good as the time-lapse videos are, I really appreciate longer videos like this one. Get to learn more about the rebuilding process on engines you do not see a lot of people rebuilding. Subbed to to the channel, hoping I will get to see more videos in this format.
Super clean looking engine. Nice effort!
That engine is beautiful!
Good to see a Car Video where it’s all about The complete process in which it takes to do projects like this. All of that little information most people overlook or don’t think it’s worth showing yet everything you do you try to explain and give information about the pros and cons. Can’t wait to hear that Engine Start especially after the brake in is done ✅ . Then you can give it a little Throttle..
Dang, I wish I knew a 10th of what he knows, thanks so much for posting!
Another great episode
Love those NOS rings (and the packaging!)
Awesome outstanding job have a great time thanks
I love your work! Brilliant!!!
216 were all splash lubed conrod bearings. The oil pump supplied the main, camshaft journals and rocker arms. The conrods had dippers with a hole and oil passage to the conrod bearings. The oil pan had troughs the dippers ran in that collected oil. On this assembly I see no dippers so a drilled crankshaft is required. A '54 or later 235 crankshaft and oil pump could be used. Of note, the early 216's only had 3 main bearings so cranks are not interchangeable. The 235 crank has a longer stroke.
Good tip about using grease to hold in the keepers. I will have to remember that next time.
That gold paint was amazing. Never seen it before. Looks great once it's heated to grey.
awesome job as always!!
Beautiful engine!!! Very nice job.
Great video.
Just an Idea about centering those wrist pins in the piston, you could possibly hold the piston inna wood clamp. Make the pin flush with one edge of the piston, measure the depth with a depth gauge, divide the measurement by half and set the pin at that half measure. Just an idea.
*Great video!*
great work
Awesome! Really get into these vids! 👍👍
Great video
I love how the original fuel pump has a leather diaphragm. The new one is neoprene rubber.
My, the engine is beautiful and I do remember the glass part of the carburetor (mainly on fords trying to cool down a vapor lock) oh the hot days of summer in the south...a very long time ago..
Da gusto ver como trabaja en los motores antiguos y lo deja como salido de fabrica !
i love the color you are using on the engine
I love this man 💞💞
You sure know your stuff love watching and learning
Man, those push rods are as long as pool cues...
Excellent vid bro.
I do the grease trick also, and I also like to give the tip of the valve stem a light rap with a plastic hammer to verify the keepers are well seated.
I love ur work shop !!!
I love the slow and fast pitched sounds lol
As always, a great video - nice work! Given that the crank is not pressurized, it would have been nice for you to spend a few minutes explaining how the bottom end does get lubricated. I know that it's an adventure to be sure. There are some old GM period films on CZcams that show this in action, but they are hard to find.
It's a VERY BEAUTIFUL MOTOR too
Gotta love the simplicity of old school.
The "Flapper" on the Exhaust/Intake helped to Atomize the Fuel.
Good old stomach hand to the rescue helped me many times.
Ricky Collins, it’s hard on white t-shirts!
I've got a Hastings ring box, keeping it since it's my last name. Didnt even know Hastings rings existed until the box shows up
AspearRanch are use those rings on my pistons in a performance engine we're great🕶"
Many replacement rings sold at Autozone are Hastings. I would often seep people use them when they do an in frame re-ring job. They seem to do the job every time. I used to have a Saturn, and those cars would have problems with the factory oil control ring and piston ring land. The fix was to take all pistons out, drill more holes in the oil ring groove, and fit whatever major brand of piston ring they could get at the local parts store. If they didn't have Hastings, they probably had Sealed Power or Mahle/Clevite. Those worked equally well.
Often I see these jobs fail because the owner won't measure the bore taper and out of round. No piston ring can compensate for an engine that is out of specification, requiring an overbore and oversize pistons.
This is why you have to be extremely cautious among cheap used cars that say "Recent engine rebuild." They probably mean that they fit new standard rings and bearings in an engine that needs hundreds or thousands of dollars in machining and other new parts.
Man, I need me a toaster oven! Great video and music!
Say "relative to" again 🤣
Great video series though. I'm working on a 1950 chevy and these have been helpful for sure
Nice camera works guys.
You need to save the packaging, original stock that is awesome , oh yeah Davin 😘
We did! Too cool to throw away!
I was going to say send me one of those ring envelopes to add to my packaging collection instead of throwing them out but it looks like you've taken steps to save them. Great graphics!
Maybe when you show photos of your shop, you can show a variety of old school packages.
Great tip for the keepers. Grease is the word.
Where can I find Davin on social media? I want to watch more videos with him in it. He is brilliant and does an amazing job explaining whats going on and why.
Nice build, it's good to see someone take the time and do it right, looking forward to seeing as well as hearing it run, witch side does the connecting rod wrist pin hardware face the manifolds or pushrods
Also you can rub the keepers on a magnet. works well.
George Parker yes sir I use a magnet myself when working on a engine don't want to drop one inside I put rags everywhere and keep an eye on the screws nuts and washers.
Хорошая работа!)
Когда увидел впускной и выпускной коллектор, вспомнил двигатель от ЗиЛ-157 )
love the video , don't forget to install the cam plug .