Should You Get a Compensator? 4 Considerations
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I think comps and weapon lights go hand in hand. If you’re going to put something like a TLR1HL or X300 on an MR920/G19 size handgun and end up with the light extending the OAL, might as well add a comp since the length is already there. Add a red dot to the package, and it’s conceptually a Roland special. Try going from a bare pistol to one with both a light and comp. The extra weight at the muzzle end plus the comp effect work in conjunction to really minimize muzzle rise.
Great confirmation of similar findings we had with different size Wilsons that were ported vs not. Also similar findings for NHC Bob Marvel in 10mm which felt and shot like a 9mm when ported vs not. The bigger the gun and caliber, the more the ports reduced muzzle rise. These were all measured with the MantisX recoilmeter so we had both qualitative and quantitative results. Thanks for this well done!
PSA has made a micro dagger slide called the MC-1 that integrates a comp into the 48 slide with a 43x barrel. I have put 1200 rounds through it so far and I love it in comparison to a stock 48 slide and barrel.
Awesome sound on the video: clear voice audio with toned down shots. Thank you much!
Cr920p war poet is my next purchase. In fact I'll be selling my p365x macro for it.
I have had my Hellcat RDP for over 2 years and its been great. Tool less removal and came with 5 mags! Just picked up my 1st DR920 and looking at the CD920P when the War Poet drops.
Thanks for this video guys, I’ve been wondering about a comp for my P320 RX Carry. Informative and entertaining as always!
My EDC is a Hellcat RDP. I ❤ it! Yes the comp does help it shoot flatter.
Glad you addressed this. I explain to people all the time, a compensator will not fix bad shooting techniques.
God bless.
I saw this video, and happy that I did! Thank you for sharing!
One of my favorite little details in these videos is Paul's ear pro. I know it says PMP for his initials, but I always read it PIMP and I find that hilarious to think of a battle gnome pimp.
i do it as well. this is the way!
It's for Project Management Professional 😂
@@dakinesc09 that's really why i want to get that certification, so i can put: PMP on my email signature.
#metoo Also, which is scarier - Being attacked by a battle gnome or being attacked by a battle pimp?
@@dakinesc09 Project/Program Manager spotted.
I have the comp for MR920. And you are absolutely correct on the grip issue. I used the same grip with the comp and notice a big difference
Also C&G makes a great holster for the shadow systems with the comp because they all have open bottoms and are extended a little bit. So the comp doesn’t stick out the end and is fully covered. They also make some holsters for some hard to find models like, CZ. There are priced at about $80. I carry OWB so the comp on the MR920 doesn’t bother me.
Thank You John for sharing your knowledge and most of all Thank You for your service 👍🇺🇸
I carry a G43 with a comp and it's the only possible way to shoot 124 grain HST flat on a small gun like that. Still super comfortable and concealable, and shoots great. I even shoot matches with it and normally place in the top 15%
Just orderd the Shadow systems DR920 War Poet, going to mate a EPS on it. Thanks to you and Shadow systems for making a great product at a great price. You guys and PSA are setting the bar for the fire arms industry. Thanks for putting a great pistol in my price range.
The nice thing about a comp, is that the more powerful the load, the more effect the comp has. It makes the recoil of your expensive, high-powered defensive loads feel more like the cheap, target loads most people take to the range.
I've had the CR920P for 3 weeks now. My previous carry gun was a G19. I was expecting some recoil reduction with the 920P but when I shot it the first time, I literally started laughing out loud. This thing is absolutely amazing. The recoil and muzzle rise is about 1/2. Crazy.
Did you not try the 19 with a comp I have the mr920e
It basically brings a Glock almost down to a steel framed 2011 without a comp in terms of felt recoil
Like Paul I have never been big on comps, but I like the idea of the integral comp since Sig came out with theirs. I am not a Sig person, but when PSA released their integral comp slide for the Glock 43 I jumped on it. I am a big fan of it.
Good point about being able to pick up a gun and shoot with it. I personally carry a full size Warpoet DR920 so I've never had issues with muzzle rise or fast and accurate shots.
I think you should add a ballistic comparison; comp vs longer barrel with the same ammo.
Ranger Rick needs to be less bone headed
10/10 Dad joke
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Best Dad joke of the week!
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Hey man, throw the guy a bone. Sounds like you have a bone to pick with him, tibia honest...... but it was quite a humerus joke......
Keep this type of videos coming. Comic relief and actual shooting.
Got the G43x with PMM comp. Works great and shoots awesome. Definitely enjoy the comp on my EDC. It works better with spicy ammo.
Awesome vid! Love the clip overlay part I need to do that next time I compare. Just did a series on the vp9 tactical with the pmm comp. Def feel a difference but really only when running hot ammo honestly.
Of course as soon as I bought my cr920 war poet I seen you guys 2 days later talking about the comp version at shot show. I was like OF COURSE! I buy the best version of this gun there is and then they come out with a better one... lol
I run the SS comp on my MR920 in a T1 holster for a CZ P01 open bottom. Yes there is some warmth with an appendix carry. Same results as yours.
Great video need to see more
I like a compensator but I learned how to shoot without a Comp and over several years went in this direction have a Faxon Comp and barrel on a 43x and it’s been a good performance upgrade for me personally
Consider the noise difference with a compensator or ported barrel as well. The dB level won't change, but where the sound goes matters. I shot a P365 and P365 SAS back-to-back at an indoor range. Through 2 layers of hearing protection, the sound increase was substantial. The benefits of the porting didn't outweigh the con of possibly-disorienting levels of sound if it had to be used indoors, at least for me and the SAS's owner.
I could agree, the shorter barrel with the compensator would definitely help with the "snappier" habits of shorter barrels, and make it more pleasant to shoot on the regular.
John did a great video with Craig on retention shooting. That game changes with a comp. Gas can blast under your eye pro.
You mentioned brands of ammunition, but I didn't hear anything about bullet weight, subsonic, or +P ammunition. Comps work best with higher pressure ammunition, which is where they're really needed versus range blaster 115gr stuff you used to be able to buy at Walmart.
Yeah, pushing some hot +P+ outta my Comped G17 will get her working nicely. I swear the thing will shoot flatter with some 115gr +P+ Underwood Ammo than it does shooting some standard pressure 115gr Gold Dots because of how much gas is being moved through the ports with the hotter Underwood Ammo.
Comps do give you an advantage. A really good one is the radian ramjet and afterburner barrel and comp. I have that on an mr920 and it makes the total length G17 length. Big difference, love shooting with a comp.
While you are correct They will not fix poor technique. I see a lot of people who spend a lot of money only to continue shooting poorly and wondering why.
Good luck finding one for a gen 5 though
Which gen did you get for your mr920?
@@ClearColorCloudwhat are you talking about? There’s a ramjet for Gen 3, 4, and 5
@@ulfhednar5592i can’t remember but it’s 3 or 4. quick google search you can confirm
Great video Guys!! I personally have never shot a comped pistol so your review helps me make a choice on whether I will get one!! Have a good week Brothers & shoot on!!
John, I just put 200rnds thru my new CR920P War Poet. 1st, beautiful pistol (admittedly, I'm a Shadow Systems fan...they've addressed all my issues w/ Glock); 2nd, she shoots & handles NICE! Although I have 3 other Shadows, this is my first War Poet. The trigger on this pistol is INCREDIBLE!!! Even better than my MR Elite. I only had 1 malfunction (during break-in), right around 100rnd mark. I threw in a box of my duty HP ammo (Fed HST 124grn). Ist HP mag inserted & would NOT feed the 1st round correctly (locked right up on the nose of the bullet, against the feed ramp). Couldn't tap that puppy in (tapping rear slide multiple times). Forced to Type 2 clear the pistol. W/ that 1st round now cleared/stripped (Factory Extended mag), I loaded & shot the remaining 12rnds just fine. Loaded it up the same way again, HP's, & ran fine. In all, 200rnds 123grn NATO Ball & 50rnds 124grn HST & all ran well minus the aforementioned one hiccup (yes, did place said mentioned round back into a mag somewhere w/o further issue). I'm probs going another 200rnds of mixed ammo before replacing my Glock 48 as fair-weather EDC. CR920P fits in all my G48 holsters, grip prints less than my 48 (Appendix), Comp does make a positive difference. This is my 1st Comp pistol, I actually expected more of a difference but it is noticeable.
I'll mention, ref. Shadow Syst QC/Service. I had my 1st catastrophic ammo event in 38yrs of shooting (about 2 months ago). Factory ball (I only shoot Factory ammo in my pistols; revolvers, different story), I had a major case blow-out at about 1200rnd point in my MR920 Elite. That pistol surely saved my hands (stinging like heck!) but alas resulted in a cracked frame. Rare, Factory ammo issue (BUT in my mind solely falls on the ammo manufacturer!!!). Shadow took care of my pistol; checked it out, new frame & internals, without an issue (short turn around as well). THANK YOU SHADOW! Thus another reason why this new War Poet now makes 4, w/ more to come.
Thanks for a sweet little pistol Shadow & John. $50 difference at LGS...EXTREMELY PLEASED!
I have a G19C and it’s a really slight difference from a standard G19, but you can feel it. I also just picked up a CR920P elite.
So true about being spoiled. It's important to pay attention when shooting your Gucci guns. I was shooting my 2011 the other day and realized my grip was garbage. I was able to get away with shots that normally would be off.
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I have done some testing on coms and they CAN effect reliability so before just throwing it on and sending it you want to make sure it is going to run clean. Similar to the video I have noticed a reduction in muzzle rise that is noticeable, but not huge. Holsters can be a pain. Bullet velocities and therefor penetration/expansion seem un-effected in my tests. Also comps make it a little harder to fieldstrip and clean your firearm. Over all I like them, but you have to try it out and see.
Another great video
Would love to see a video on ported barrels! Maybe the lucky 7s by monsoon tactical? Keep up the good work brother!
Perfect timing I was literally just looking at a comp
I work private security snd trying to find a level 3 holster that fits a comp was difficult to say the least, my preference is Safariland. I also prefer full size pistols. Enter the M&P 2.0 5 inch Performance center. Fits readily available safariland holsters, i snagged an ALS for edc and an ALS/SLS for duty, ported for some recoil mitigation. Also may snag the 4.25 inch performance center for EDC.
Just walked out with mines to show my support John.
I carry with a TLR1-HL and the SS comp is flush with the light. It functions and looks amazing.
Comps are nice but I see them as range toys on certain pistols. I currently only have one on my G17 build. It's extremely picky with ammo. Reliability is the biggest issue with that one. It will always go bang though...as long as it successfully loads a round. I wouldn't tell people not to get a comp, but I'd definitely recommend they test as many ammo brands and types as they can to see what the thing runs well and what it does not.
Like everything else. If your fundamentals are good the comp will simply enhance your shooting. But, if you let the fundamentals falter, it's a bandaid on your bad habits. Same could be said for just about every do-dad that we can hang onto a firearm.
Me personally I'm currently putting together a Sig P320 with a comp for a range/competition oriented set up. However the fire control unit I'm using is the one in my P320 compact, and I will be retaining all the original parts, so if I wish to go back to stock condition, I can.
Been carrying 365 Macro comp for a few months and loving it. Just ordered another w/o comp to compare the two. Running EPS Carry dot and thats a big win IMO.
I know it is a decently expensive option but I've been shooting a gen 3 Glock 19 with a radian ramjet and afterburner and its an amazing comp especially if you live in a state that doesn't allow threaded barrels like I do so if you live inn a restricted state I cant recommend this setup enough jus make sure you buy their compressor spring to tune it with the ammo you use
I put a comp on my sig365. Is not running well with 115 grain perfect with 147 grain. I'm loving it.
I have a compensator on my range gun. The muzzle rise wasn't as notable until I went to faster firing. Then it was at least a 30% reduction. Caveat, this compensator is large, from Wasatch Arms, and adds to the front weight balance of the gun. Now to get a thumbrest.
Compressors make a huge difference… I prefer none integrated comps but I do like the specter comp 320 and 365
A War Poet never misses even when he misses... Love you guys. Thanks again!!! TRN HRD TRN SMT...
Love you guys, lots of laughter but also great info. But like you started with, if you can't handle the basic pistol, the Guiccio stuff doesn't solve the problem.
My wife definitely likes her 365 x-macro, which has the comped slide.
I plan on buying the shadow systems comp for my mr920. I'm a pretty decent shooter and I think it would be fun to try out , especially considering how flat it already shoots.
I own both the M&P Performance Center .40 Full Size which is my EDC. & .40 Shield. Extremely happy with Both. Let the hate mail begin. I will not Comply. Dont waste your Time 😕
I've never shot with a compensator, for the reasons given, but this makes me want to try one.
I bought a comp for a Springfield Armory XDM Tactical Elite. The comp was DESIGNED for the gun and it screwed up the action, regardless of replacing the recoil springs with various strength springs. It was a waste of $200 bucks...
Had a SS mr920 that was stovepiping every few rounds with the comp. I changed recoil springs, cleaned, etc and couldn't fix it. It wasn't the first issue with the gun so I eneded up selling it and going with the 509tac with a PMM comp. Haven't put enough through the gun yet to see if it's reliable.
The Radian Ramjet causes malfunctions in 115 grain ammo
Sure. Muzzle rise is less with a comp. But if we hold accuracy constant, how much does a comp reduce split times? I'd argue for defensive use, not enough to matter. Competition? Sure. But ActiveSelfProtection channel has hundreds of videos where draw time to first shot, for example, is much more important.
I would think out of a 9 mm the difference isn't worth it if you got it for conceal. For a 10mm the comp would be a great option even if your attempting to conceal as a 10 mm is already going to be a thinker gun 1.2" the least I've seen (my xdm elite) whereas a hellcat and a Masada 9s are 1" thick.
One of the ways I look at it with low light is in a civilian context odds are you’re gonna flip on a light of some kind just so you don’t end up in as much legal hot water. So as a result you’ll have a bigger thing giving you away than the flash from your comp
Comps are great for shooting faster and more accurate at the range. The issue for carry comes in when you may not have the opportunity to fully extend your firearm. You may find yourself getting hit with hit gasses and possibly metal fragments. You also don't get any additional fps for the added length of the barrel. Honestly, adding a nice heavy light under the barrel and that will also help with muzzle rise. Just my .02
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Have comps on all my pistols Glock 19x and Glock 43x mos. Both have Parker mountain machine comps and they work great!! Awesome video.
Shot my buddies g19 with a pmm on it a few weeks ago and holy crap it was so flat shooting.
Put a pmm comp on my 19x too and it shoots so flat
I remember when I added the comp to a g19 awhile back. It now forces the shooter to have both a good grip, and it demands that the ammunition be of good quality, and capable of delivering enough intertia to drive the system (124gr nato loading) but man it shoots great.
I run a Harrington Arms comp on a Sig P320 X-Carry. The slide is a bit shorter than the full size model but since it has a threaded barrel the comp doesn’t extend the overall length. Shoots flat as Kansas. 🤓
I get it. They don’t sell many comps on their site & the ones they do are for their pistols. I like the pistols. I would buy the Foundation Series for the price alone. For the money I would get the Radian Afterburner instead. I like their proprietary lock better.
I would like to add yet another consideration: in a place with a good chance of the shooting starting while you are sitting in your car (like my country, Brazil, with around 30 to 40% of shootings happening this way)... Well, just imagine you sitting at the driver's seat and having to shoot through your window. Most of you, like me, have trained for that. But how many of us have trained for that with a compensator, and all that hot gas and residues flying right at our eyes, without glasses or another protection?
This is why I wouldn’t ever put one on my carry gun. Competition gun, sure. Not a gun I’m carrying as a self defense object.
I believe the gases and debris is less of a factor in comparison to a ported barrel. There’s plenty of footage showing people sitting from retention with a comp on an it not being such a factor
It will be louder for sure. How much not sure I run a macro. Everyone that shoots it says it’s a bit louder but really not much. Also haven’t had any issues even shooting from retention.
IMO glass from the window is going to be more of a concern. I do have a S&W J frame factory comp in .327 federal magnum and it does spit (hot gasses/burning powder) so there is that.
I carry a CR920P and it’s not gassy at all. Besides I wear prescription glasses and train in them so it wouldn’t matter either way. And if you’re concern is training for a situation, I doubt you’ve shot through a windshield with or without a comp and the glass shattering and shit is gonna be a much bigger problem than a little extra gas
I personally love comps. I still run my Rollin Special. I’ve also gotten the DR 920P and I’ll tell you that is one soft shooting fast bitch. It’s my go to for competitions. I’ve just recently picked up the CR 920 without the comp and I don’t see a reason to carry a comp. Now I’ve shot my comped Glock in a more then a few drills and when then comp is facing up in an up close scenario you feel that blast coming up so just something to be aware of when training to cant that comp away from you. Great vid sir.
All my EDCs are comped. I Now carry the DR920P and the CR920P. Besides some mag n ported large bore revolvers through the years, comped carry guns were never a thing for me. After trying the DR920P….its little brother came home with me as well a week later ! Lol. Great guns.
Planning on getting the griffin micro comp that goes on the camlok adapter one for the comp and two to protect the adapter for my suppressor
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I had a PMM comp on my M&P 2.0 with red dot and WML and yeah it was a bit beefy for appendix but OWB was no problem and to me the extra size was a small trade off for the flattest shooting gun I have ever shot
My T.Rex Ranga...whatever it's called holster can take threaded or comp on my DR920 Elite. Just added the comp this week but have yet to shoot it. Obviously it's one of my OWB guns due to it's size so not worried about IWB appendix fit. It does add 1/4"+ to OAL of the gun from threaded like the CR920 and MR920 but T. Rex is open bottom and threaded didn't protrude but comp does
I'm not a compensator guy. But from what I hear, size matters. 🤪
Seriously though, I think a compensator on a match gun makes perfect sense.
It definitely hurts concealibility for a carry gun. But as you guys show, it's a more accurate gun, or at least has less recoil.
Nice camera work on the muzzle rise comparisons. Especially the colored lines and then the shadow overlays of each gun. Very nice.
John I have the ramjet after burner comp from Radian .
I honestly believe if you are shooting +P ammo the comp is definitely beneficial.
Standard ammo, not so much ..
on top of that the ramjet is a complete barrel , and the feed ramp sucks with hollow points…
Just stating the facts …. Thanks
Noticed that comps especially on micro compacts makes for faster follow ups shots
My holster graveyard is so big I had to build little roads all through it, and put a sign at the road, and a big flag in the middle.
I have a competition dual port comp from PMM on a 509T for my CC and it makes a huge difference, also depends what grain ammo you are shooting. Some don't help much for 115gr maybe 20% but for 147gr 50%+ reduction.
any experience with the single port comp to compare single vs dual?
Only potential missed consideration I could think of is when stripping and cleaning the guns. If you want to fully break it down, the comp can be a pain in the butt.
I run a Samson Manufacturing Pocket Compensator on my Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm. It makes follow ups so much easier. I did have to get a new holster made, but Dara Holsters had exactly what I needed.
One major flaw with comps not mentioned is that they often have the set screws walk out with blue loctite and you can’t use red if you want to remove it to clean the barrel.
When the screws loosen and the comp starts to rotate the rod gets hung up on it and the gun malfunctions - sometimes in a way that is changing to sort out.
I see this problem often at the range from casual shooters bragging about their awesome comp when they arrive and asking for help by the end of their session.
Having something permanently affixed like on the Staccato XC is fine but I’d never put one temporarily affixed on a self defense weapon.
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Sure would like a XR920/XR920P Warpoet!!
I don't have an issue with comps. I don't find they significantly compromise my grip with non-comped guns, and I find that they give you a noteable edge in competitive settings. As for with carry, you can set up some of these smaller carry guns with a comp, and get performance on par with a larger gun and THAT is a big deal for me.
Great smile Rick
Ported and or compensated guns are an excellent retention Aid.
Been banging steel a lot lately with FN 509 tactical with a compensator. Alone, it doesnt feel different than shooting a 9m without comp. But the results are better for ME with a comp
I just put the shadow system comp on my mr920. I love it!
Can’t find a holster that it fits in.
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Lol the CZcams cracks were awesome
LMAO the holster grave yard, yes have one! LOL
I had a flashback when he started talking about the hot lava down the pants to when I was rapid firing my mr920 elite with the threaded barrel and immediately reholstered in my iwb holster and burnt the side of my butt cheek on the threaded barrel lol glad I don't carry appendix
Any thoughts on comps in relation to fighting up close, in terms of helping reduce stoppages due to slides getting caught up in clothing? A bit like longer weapon lights?
It's a non-issue for me, living in the UK, I just find it an interesting thought experiment.
I’ve found it can be slightly jarring to go from a comped pistol to a non comped pistol as a beginner. Luckily, I’ve burned through a few thousand rounds and don’t need to adjustment time when switching between variations now.
Watch Honest Outlaw's recoil control - he's shot nearly everything. Performance is about selecting the best pistol for yourself and practicing. It is not about gadget add-ons.
I have the war poet 920 and the 920p. The p is definitely more enjoyable to shoot. Waiting on the war poet cr920p and my war poet collection will be compolete.
Is there a timeline when the war poet cr920p will release?
@@nickyates6262 I noticed that it is listed on the Shadow Systems website now (it wasn't a week or so ago), so I assume it will be soon.
This video is also a good comparison between John and Paul's left hand grip.
I never thought about putting a comp on a sub compact