Whats Happening with Crowsworn?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Crowsworn has had a strangely difficult life cycle. From being called a carbon copy of Hollow Knight to the developers themselves being called fake and hacks, so join my on a journey to discover just what on inkwell isle 4 is happening with this game, how they are designing boss lore/fights and why it might be my most anticipated metroidvania ever.
0:00-1:00 Realistic Release Rates
1:00-3:13 The Million Dollar Indie Game
3:13-4:09 Pogo Shows His Privileged Take
4:09-6:17 The Sheer Amount of Crowsworn Boss Fights
6:17-8:17 The Shovel Boss Design Theory
8:17-9:41 Everything Else I Haven't Covered on Crowsworn Yet
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The more I hear about how this game is similar to hollow knight, the more I want to play it lol
silksong got us down bad
@@unquestionableexistance8704 ching chong ding dong
down horrendous even
Down astronomically
Yeah, what a tragedy it is to get more of what you like
Honestly never thought it was like a rip-off or something. It clearly has been inspired by, in a lot of things, but man, that game shines on his own, it looks absolutely badass and I can’t wait to play it.
when i saw it for the first time i was so hyped, even more than for silksong, it was surprising and annoying to see the hk community attack this game for no reason
@@skkadoot9533hollow knight is an amazing game, but goddamnit, team cherry didn’t invent metroidvanias. A lot of the Hollow Knoght community can’t see that though. It’s my favorite game, but people need to see that hollow knight also has inspirations
Hollow Knight was constantly called Ori and the Blind Forest rip-off in the beginning bruh
@@user-po9sd8nq8v by who? They almost has just the side-scrolling in common lmao
@@Xemnask by not so bright people who would call one game a clone of another because they look kinda similar
I’m very excited for Crowsworn. It looks like it is going to be an awesome world to explore. So far the “rule of cool” has been guiding them well
hey Relyea! hope your doing good, cant wait for Silksong!
What is the "rule of cool"?
@@coderaven1107 It's when something might realistically not make sense to happen in our world for, say, a character design, but is carried because it visually looks or mechanically "feels" cool
@@askerror1987basically, hack and slash games in a shellnut.
@@Pogobro Hey Pogobro, can you list all the games in this video? Like at 9:24?
I'm usually pretty critical of hollow knight inspired games. Just can't help but roll my eyes when i see yet another hand-drawn dark moody mysterious metroidvania. But i really see no reason to hate on Crowsworn, because it does more than enough to not be a copy. It feels like the team actually wants to make something unique, not too focused on copying. Seriously, Bloodborne Hollow Knight? Count me the fuck in
Exactly bloodborne hollow knight I second that count me in
WITH GUNS
And Lee plaque doctor
Bloodborne hollow knight? Count me third.
you didnt count the dmc5- inspired elements, but that just makes me even more interested
whenever I hear about a crowdfunded game getting a stupid amount of money I genuinely hope they don't expand their vision based on the money. often times the feature creep that that amount of money brings is what causes so many of these projects to fall flat, instead I hope they keep their vision as is and use the money simply to get some better equipment and make their work schedule a bit more flexible
And they could use the extra $ to develop DLC after release, and give it to backers free if they wanted to. Despite hating comparing everything to Hollow Knight, that’s something they did super well IMO… a good sized game was expanded a fuck ton after the fact and the game as we love it now was created over time not rushed or crammed with bs to appease anyone.
Well luckily they had tier goals so theoretically each extra bit of money would simply go to things they promised like a boss rush mode at 200k, voice acting at 375k, new levels for a few tiers, animated cutscenes at 1 mill & so on. They seem to have it planned out well so as far as kickstarters go I’m not too worried about feature creep
Tbh from what I know (which isn't much) a lot of developers would maybe even start all over again knowing they have more time to make everything better and bigger, I don't see that as a bad thing, that's why that much money is dangerous as he said in the video and could be overwhelming, but people would definitely criticize if it lacks content for the amount of money they gave
I backed this game during the kickstarter BECAUSE it looked so much like Hollow Knight. I have no idea why people always say "don't copy Hollow Knight", like bruh isn't more Hollow Knight exactly what we want tho? Besides, Crowsworn has its own unique flair to it that makes it stand alongside Hollow Knight rather than stand in its shadow.
Super excited for this game to release!
I backed it for the same reason!
same, the first twitter footage I ever saw had me hooked, and I had already played Unworthy so I was so down for it haha
@@Pogobrothey also actually keep their fanbase in communication unlike TC
@@serraramayfield9230 That's a low blow lmao
@@serraramayfield9230 yeah but to be fair Mongoose Rodeo HAS to market cause they arnt a proven team yet. Team Cherry can be as silent as long as they want, cause once they decide to release Silksong will still make crazy numbers
You wanna know something at first I wasn’t feeling crowsworn but after I watch the trailers, watch some videos and analysis videos, especially from pogobro it open my eyes, and I am pretty much excited for this game once it comes out
hey Blackprism always happy to see you in the comments :)
As a hollow knight fan I never understood the hate for crowsworn. I personally very excited for it.
they dunk on the devs yet they seem to ignore teamcherry had similar issues but didnt handle it well like how the crowsworn devs did
Because it copies too much from HK, see 0:33 dive and 3:18 godhome looking room, it's good to take inspiration from games but things like this just cross the line, even if the gameplay is unique the style of the game is waaay to similar which is something each game should have on it's own
The art style is almost identical
@@Loderyod yeah but so are other games like enter gungeon and death road to Canada, but yet you don't see people dunking on them. even though they are also the same game genre I just think that if people are going to be overly critical towards crowsworn they should also be the same towards other games where a similar thing happens. but I just seems like people can't handle the fact that hollow knight isn't the only metroidvania allowed to exist.
@@superbeta1716 so dose this mean that hollow knight can be considered a ripoff of games like Mario odyssey because that game has a dive pound move and an area with vaugely Greek/roman architecture
I absolutely love hollow knight and I think it’ll be one of my favorite games forever, but I actually like the fact that they’re doing something similar without completely copying hollow knight, it just gives me more games to play that are similar to the game I love so much, I see it all as an absolute W
the combat is so good in just the boss demo alone
Love your takes. People who accuse things of being ripoffs generally don’t know what the ripped-off thing “ripped off.”There is nothing truly new in the world of game mechanics, aesthetics, story, music, or sound. If you’re looking for similarities, you’ll always find them.
Seems overly reductionist. Games share parts all the time, what makes something a rip-off is how similar it is holistically to other things.
It's kinda silly to imply that people are specifically looking for reasons to call this a ripoff when plenty of people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between this and hk
I don't care if the game is a hollow knight clone or not, I care if the game is good.
As crazy as this is, I think I'm equally excited for Crowsworn and Hollow Knight Silksong. This game looked incredible from the first trailer, and it continues to impress with every new video or artwork that we get to see! Great video, hopefully they can continue to deal with the pressure of having so much support and deliver a fantastic end product.
between this, Nine Sols, and Silksong the next couple years are covered in the metroidvania department for me haha
not sure how I’ve never heard of this game until now, but it looks sooo cool. people will really call any up coming metroidvania game a hollow knight rip off despite it just being a genre, and that makes me so sad.
it plays even cooler
0:33 dive 3:18 godhome looking ass room 3:31 spikes. This is no genre thing, this is straight up Hollow Knight looking things.
We all know the gameplay and combat is unique but the game has to separate that art style and design from HK, trying to defend the game while showing those scenes looks really bad, the rest (at least 99%) of the inspired from HK games have unique art style and designs, this game sadly sometimes looks like a reskin HK and it really doesn't deserve it
@@superbeta1716 I didn't know a new game couldn't have spikes just because a popular one has it.
@@superbeta1716 I think you do not understand how a 2d game works. Creating 2D backgrounds requires them to not pop out too much, have no clutter and still be atmospheric and fitting in a gothic world. Having a dark lit room with yellow colours is not a hollow knight thing. It is how you create the gothic church atmosphere.
If anything this place looks more like forest of bones
“ThEy CoPiEd ThE DeSoLaTe DiVe”
Shut up, it’s a ground pound ability
And style of the ability matches the character. So shut up
I could make a whole ass list of games with ground pounds just to humble ur ass, so shut up about the dive ability
I like pretty much every take in this video. Crowsworn doesn't seem like a clone at all because it takes inspiration from multiple different places. Devs should take as long as they need when making a game in order to make it good because frankly there is no shortage of great indie games right now so they should try to make it stand out or people won't play it. Boss fights being a representation of their environment is a cool concept but I get how it can get stale after a few bosses or even if the boss is too much like the enemies in that area like the mossy charger boss in greenpath.
I hate pretty much every take in this video. Crowsworn does seem like a clone because it does not take inspiration from multiple different places. Devs should not take as long as they need when making a game in order to make it good because frankly, there is a shortage of great indie games right now so they should not try to make it stand out or people will play it. Boss fights being a representation of their environment is not a cool concept and I don't get how it can get stale after a few bosses or even if the boss is too much like the enemies in that area unlike the mossy charger boss in greenpath.
@@Zyckrothat's what I'm saying
0:33 dive 3:18 godhome looking ass room ( you could literally edit the image and put the Knight on it and no one would notice) 3:31 spikes. That is not inspiration, that is straight up copying the art style and desing of HK, this game should really go into a different art style. the combat is good and unique but the art draws too much from HK
@@superbeta1716 It is a different art style tho
@@superbeta1716 yes hollow knight invented golden pillars, walls and spikes
I don’t understand how people can hate this when they love Hollow Knight. It’s clearly a very polished game and looks super fun to play. If I ever saw one of my favourite games get a clone / copy, I’d happily buy it given it looks fun, interesting and well polished
I think people are mostly upset by the fact this game has clearly copied HK's art style. Just because you are talented enough to copy somebody else's style, it doesn't make it
okay to profit from that style, because developing an art style is a very complex task that requires time and money. The devs are effectively sparing money and time by not developing their own art style and taking the one from HK, without Team Cherry consenting to it (as far as I understand).
The fact that this game might be effectively fun to play is irrelevant to the point.
I was ecstatic to find out about Crowsworn, I am a bitch for the spooky plague doctor aesthetics and I was so mad I couldn’t back it on Kickstarter because I didn’t have an account at the time. I can’t wait for it to come out I’m so excited :D
wise mossbag once said: If it's sucks, it's a rip-off. If it's badass, it's "inspired from"
Talking about upcoming metroidvanias, i would like to have an update by the devs of The Last Faith, It IS one of the games i am more hyped about. Crowsworn seems to be much more alive.
And i wanted to ask you: do yo think Meifumado IS a scam?
Funny blasphemous snek guy
to my understanding, Meifumado devs had a large disagreement and the project is pretty much dead at this point. Which sucks it looked like an awesome project
It’s so true that taking your time is better, because as Miyamoto once said: “Game late good for short good long time, not delayed bad bad forever long time”
congratz you gave me a stroke
I just heard about this game, as someone who is a hollow knight fan I am surprised this was called a rip off at all, the moves you presumably learn all look and act differently than the moves in HK and the movement system reminds me of Ori more than anything else. I am interested in getting this game now and hopefully it can tie me over until silksong (hopefully) releases.
Silksong will most likely release before this
@@Pogobro depends wether they don't delay this for roughly 4 years like they did with hollow knight because they kept adding more stuff
@@Pogobro At this point we're closer to a nuclear winter than Silksong release
@@ScrugglyEldritchBeing I guess Im just basing this off of the fact that the playtesters and xbox all said it would be out by around june this year
@@Pogobro playtesters and xbox hide the truth from us, this is for the safety of both Team Cherry and mankind as a whole
This was the first game I've ever backed- From the moment I saw the first trailer I knew we had something special on our hands. And as a diehard hk fan? It's like a bloodborne/hollow knight/dark souls crossover c'mon!!! What more do you need?? Thank you for putting more eyes on this! For now I await my copy with great anticipation, and read all the backer updates lovingly.
Im ultra hyped for TotK
This is my first intro to Crowsworn, and honestly? This looks sick as fuck. Can't wait for a chance to play it now! :D
its gonna be so good!
Idk why people from HK fandom are crying about this game, i would be glad that i get more of the same type of game as the one i love
I still follow the devs on twitter , I think the game looks great, the inspirations are literally my top 3 games and I think it will be great and I'm going to play it
Off topic but I can’t wait to see my Seth theory from silksong be true about his fight being something you just have to survive or run past
yeah it will be a test of skill or something, I wonder if we will fight seth multiple times or maybe a larger quest or something
@@Pogobro good idea I would love that
I love how a lot of games come out that are inspired by Hollow Knight and FromSoft Titles 😍 We have some great times ahead of us 🤩
I was excited for and still am for crowsworn. I also never thought it was a clone or ripoff but instead just a super inspired and interesting game.
May play this game when it comes out, been interested in it since it was announced
Pogo the bro is back bay-bee, some wrist pain could never defeat such a chad
heyo!
Lots of optional bosses makes me think there are probably multiple endings
I hate people that screech about ripoff games, 90% of the time it isn't warranted. The game looks fun.
Haters: "Ugh, it's just like Hollow Knight, just a different setting."
Me: "Wait, it's like Hollow Knight but has a different setting with different lore and stuff? Hell yeah!"
I love metroidvanias. Them and roguelikes are my favorite genres of game. I know I'll enjoy this as much as I enjoyed Hollow Knight and Ender Lilies.
9:23 gameplay syncing PERFECTLY with the music there
wow you are the first person to catch that :)
i really hope the devs are doing well and making good progress, the sooner this game comes out the better obviously but the more time spent the better the game gets
Low key forgot about crowsworn until I saw the thumbnail and now I’m exited again lol, I await patiently for them to know they’ve got it right because it does look sick
Hey Pogobro I love the new thumbmail and for some reason I didn't get a notification that you made a new video!!!
thanks! and glad you were able to find the video! not sure about notifications they can be finnicky
@@Pogobro Yeah!!! I loved the video
Small point, but Hornet Sentinel isn't technically a required fight if you just want to get to an ending.
I saw one of, if not the first trailer and wishlisted it. Kinda forgot about it until this video was recommended, It still looks awesome :D
Can't wait.
I just love when haters use the "it has a pogo jump in it so its a HK rip off !" card like its Hollow Knight who invented it although it was already present in DuckTales on NES in 1989. Just the "its a rip off" makes no sense, it has its own personality, mechanics and art style. Its a metroidvania not a "Hollowknightvania" lol
But anyway great video !
Congrats, you just gave me another game to wait for.
after surviving the Elden Ring Hollowing, I can wait for anything now haha
Killer video @Pogobro! Looking forward to Crowsworn and Silksong. Curious what the other games in this video are (besides Gleamlight…lol) Specifically the one that says “Ying Zhao”…would love to check it out.
thats Nine Sols! making a video on it pretty soon :)
@@Pogobro awesome, thanks!
5:48 Not even Hornet 2. If you aren't going for true ending and just want to finish the base story you only need to fight like, what, between 5 to 7 bosses before the "final boss"?
oh damn you are right wow. Ive never skipped that fight before so I guess I just thought it was on the path
@@Pogobro never fought Hornet 2, never even found it. Same with the hive or the traitor lord. It’s not part of the main story.
@@redking36 I reccomend checking both the hive and hornet 2 out. Hive is probably my favorite area and Hornet 2 is a GREAT boss. You...you can skip traitor lord lol
I knew that hollow knight had a bunch of optional bosses but not much else when I bought it. To me, they were not optional, and the first time I completed the game I had 109% of the possible total 112%. Needless to say, Crowsworn will have no optional bosses in my eyes
basically how I play as well
There's a kind of powerful energy in seeing a popular game and going, "yeah that's good, but I can do it just as well if not better."
The main reason why people are saying it’s a ripoff is because of all the lighting, art design, the way the layers are set up for the background, is directly from hollow night or at least way too heavy of inspiration for it to be called original art design. I still think it’s going to be original as in fights and boss design as well as story hopefully, but the art is definitely something that was taken straight from hollow knight.
Fun fact that all the hollow knight “protectors” seems to miss, one of my all time favorite games Salt and Sanctuary, came out BEFORE Hollow Knight and shares quite a few similarities. However having played both games you don’t see me screeching about how they copied S&S (To clarify, they didn’t). I respect and love both games and I think new games like Crowsworn, (Which also seems to be taking some inspiration from S&S) deserve a fair shot. I also feel the need to clarify I’m not saying Hollow Knight copied S&S, just that if we really look into it, people forming baseless accusations while turning a blind eye towards something their own logic says is the case is super hypocritical and they could tone it down a bit.
This video just reminded me and reignited my hype for this game I’m so excited for it I can’t believe I forgot it existed lol
I've never heard of this game and now want to play it.
It's chillin in my steam wishlist
I've been looking forever for a game to give the same feeling as Hollow Knight if it could surpass it that would make my world.
I've been hyped for crowsworn for a while now and from the looks of it, in terms of gameplay and bosses, it looks like it'll surpass HK. However, in terms of the level design and pacing, I'm unsure if Crowsworn will match HK but I'm super excited to play it
I kind of forgot about this game... Kind of bad considering I'm one of the backers. Was actually scared the video was describing how the project imploded or something, but good to know that's not the case.
as a hollow knight fan
i have to say, i love how this game looks, hope it turns out well
Nice to see your back
thanks loaf
2:52 Foresppoken being a triple A game. thats great
That's crazy that mantis lords were optional lol, on my casual play it was one of the first bosses i ended up at in the entire game and opened up Deepnest
i havent heard of crowsworn until i came across this video, so here are my thoughts on the game, im gonna use only the footage provided in this video. Crowsworn looks like a great game, i especially like the what looks like upgrading your weapon which appears to be a gun, the biggest problem i have is that some the locations look very similar to hollow knight to the point where i would count it as copying it from hollow knight, one example is what looks like a spiders nest (youll never guess which area i think it looks like) which appears on 3:21, it looks very similar to everyones favorite place, deepnest ,especially near the beasts den, although i do see alot of original areas. despite the little amount of issues i have with it, it looks great, and ill definitely buy it, i also like that there looks like there will be more abilities or atleast more movement focused abilities, and the "grafting" system looks interesting!
Pogobro, luv u, but Crowsworn isn't a HK clone, but inspired by it. Leth (TC marketing guy) is also on Crowsworn's team.
Don't have time to watch the vid rn, but I'm sure you mentioned that somewhere. Keep up the good work!
hey taco! yeah the title is a bait and switch I am totally pro Crowsworn lol
@@Pogobro figured as much haha
The animations and art style are so good and the movement looks like tons of fun! The amount of love and hard work put into this is what makes the game not a rip off. If it was sloppy and looks like it was made in 3 days, that’s different, but this game looks amazing and has been in development for 2 years now, which is what separates it from those ripoffs.
Just a note, but the guy on the right at 0:57 is Matthew Griffin - not a dev! He does Marketing and Publishing for Crowsworn -and- Hollow Knight (where he's known in the community as Leth)
Which always made the outcry hilarious to me - like folks don't realise there isn't a need to defend Team Cherry, they're working together.
He is part of the team tho…
Haven't heard of this game! It's on my radar now. The other one with the tiny cats looks really fun as well.
Most HK fans are actually happy to see similar but not ripoffy games. We're hyped af for Crowsworn.
im really excited for this game
Thanks for making this video! I had no idea this game existed. Looks like a lot of fun. And as to why people would hate on it, just makes no sense to me. Hollow knight and Silksong are still going to be great games. Now we just get MORE great games hopefully.
It is dumb, but it makes sense in a twisted way. I’ve never seen a more obsessive fan base than for HK. They make being in love with HK their whole personality.
@@MrTaylork1 I absolutely love HK, but it certainly isnt my personality. Nor would I want other games to never be made because they are "similar". By that same logic no game would have been made because most if not all have been built on previous designs themselves.
glad I can help more people discover Crowsworn, one of my most anticipated games ever lol
Pretty excited for the game
Why would hollow fans hate on this!? This game looks badass! pardon my French. This games mechanics and design look amazing and you play as an dapper crimson plague doctor with a scythe and guns! What is there not to love? With all do respect, what is wrong with the hollow fandom right now?
of course the last frame of this video included the massive rump of the cook enemy in silksong
Good to hear, was almost worried
I've been dying to play this, nearly on the same level as SilkSong, because of I love Bloodborne and this is a cross of two of my favorite games. Hopefully that big Kickstarter helps the game flourish lmao.
That title had me for a second
I backed Crowsworn with a decent chunk of cash, and my only concern is that the screen is going to get overwhelming. Cool shit is only cool if my brain can process it haha. Im super pumped for the game. Its going to be great.
Was literally just thinking about this last week. Even googled it to see if there was any news
İ am looking foward to buy this as soon as it comes out i ak a hollow knight fan but this is fire
Game looks incredible. Super excited!
I honestly cant wait, especially after the beta demo!
Holy didnt know this was a thing, get on my wishlist
This game looks great, it better not disappear!
I really hope it comes out at all, I'm just happy to maybe be playing another fantastic game!
You're finally back
hey Nightwatch! long time no see :)
I know it’s been out for a while, in fact I’ve owned it for a while but I’ve only recently started playing Hollow Knight (was never a Metroidvania guy but now I’m loving them) and I didn’t realize HK had become one of my favorite games until about halfway through this video…
Side note; I saw a very short trailer for crowsworn a long time ago, didn’t remember the name and have been looking for it ever since because it looked like DMC.
Since I saw Crowsworn I fell in love. It looks awesome
Their twitter constantly showing stuff has always kept me feeling good about it tbh
Song of storms is such a classic
I think it's dumb that you have to wait a certain period of time for something to be considered "inspired" rather than a knock off
If people think these developers are rip offs of metroidvania games. They clearly dont know the history of metroidvania games. These types of games have existed since the 90s. I think evenate 80s.
I am glad that people actually do not condone the usage of the term "clone" but for the radiance's sake watch the video before you leave an angry comment.
its nice to see more people out in defense of the game finally!
Ayy pogbro you're back 🎉
heyo OG!
Crowsworn is gonna be so fricking good bro, I CAN wait
I want to add to the shovel knight boss design theory, a boss fight could also be a counter to the enemies in the area. So like if the enemies are focused on range, the boss could the about closing the gap. Basically, a boss that is designed to be able to kill the enemies before it. So maybe it can be like a boss fight about not only the tactics you learned before hand, but also on how to counter counters?? I don’t know how to properly explain this, maybe it did make sense? Idk.
yeah like a total subversion of the area!
I really felt like the Kickstarter backer demo played very different to HK, the game feel is quite unique despite the obvious inspirations and this game is actually super promising, I can't wait for this game
the game on 1:41 is called nine sols and another cool one used earlier was called Ender lilies
My faith is still high! Let my Boss be shown to strike them down. PS: The boss you showed was one from the bakers.
yeah I know, Ive talked to the devs about sharing backer posts and they said they dont really mind. I am making sure I dont overshare anything, there have already been bosses etc show that I havent featured. But to be fair the more I show hopefully the more hype for the game that generates!
@@Pogobro Jup. I really hope many will find a great Community through this game.
By hearing that this game wil lbe similar to HK, i would love to play it. Thou if i could change the slashes a bit (by for example changing the weapon) i would gladly do it, to get some new fresh combat. The only one thing that always bugged me in HK that you can't change your weapon. Like when my friend told me about a nailsmith when i started playing, i thought about changing my weapon into a spear. But it doesn't stopped me from enjoying the game
This game has Schnoz from Berk? It's gotta be good!
I can’t wait to play this
I saw a gameplay demo of crowsworn, it has its clear influences but I think it’s unique enough to stand on its own
I JUST NOTICED YOUR PROFILE PIC IS BROKEN VESSEL
Nobody even thinks it's a clone at this point, it's just the game to look forward to after silksong
well said. Didn't really think about the pressure of high budgets. Not that I know what constitutes high or low.
I'm hella down for Crowsworn though.
A game inspired by my 2 favorite games. Cant wait to play it
this is the first time i've heard of crowsworn and, as someone very bad at hollow knight, i kinda want this. looks like such a cool plague doc/steampunk metroidvania for me to be bad at