Secret German Flying Wing Nearly Changed the War
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Could Germany Have Won WWII with their Secret Stealth Jet Fighter? The Ho 229 Mysteries Revealed.
The year is 1945, and Allied forces in WWII come across a hidden German hangar in the woods, and what they discover would spark controversies that continue to this day.
The Luftwaffe, the German aerial warfare branch, was secretly developing an aircraft that they believed could help them win the war, led by none other than Hermann Göring.
What they find is one of the so-called German Secret Weapons, the Horten Ho 229 V3 prototype, an other-worldly looking jet-powered flying wing aircraft. The Ho229 housed two jet engines, integrated into a sleek flying wing design, and resembled nothing else of the era.
In the late stages of WWII, the Americans initiated Operation Paperclip, an effort to capture advanced German weapons research, and keep it from falling into the hands of the advancing Soviet forces. Through operation SeaHorse, the HO-229 was shipped back to the US in 1945, and the Allies removed yet another chess piece from the board of Germany’s high-tech military arsenal.
But the story doesn’t end there. In fact it raises some fascinating questions:
Was the Ho-229’s sleek design purpose-built to evade radar?
Was the Northrop Grumman B-2 Stealth Bomber influenced or even copied from the Horten Ho 229?
And what if Germany had achieved production of the 229? Could it have turned the tide, and changed the outcome of the war?
The Horten Ho 229 (aka Gotha Go 229) is a very intriguing part of WWII Aviation History, and was a groundbreaking proof of concept, but it was far too early for the aerospace technology of the day, and until flight control computers and fly by wire systems came into their own in the 1970s, it would remain just an unstable dream.
The Ho229 was a remarkable glimpse into what the future of stealth aviation could be, and was an Aircraft decades ahead of its time, despite being a World War II German Airplane
The radical jet turbine powered flying wing design would have many benefits, and once fly by wire computer systems entered the equation, the advantages could finally be realized.
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Smithsonian Paper “Is it Stealth?”:
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David Myhra Interviews with the Horten Brothers:
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National Geographic Documentary on the Ho 229:
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History Channel Documentary Modern Marvels Secret Luftwaffe Aircraft of World War II:
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Hey guy, big fan of aviation, particularly military platforms past and present.
Anyway, I would LOVE to catch a video on the T-38 Talon.
I realize, I'm just one guy...but I am not as familiar with the T-38 as the majority of other popular systems.
I was under the impression the Ho 229 was flyable. Of course, with a new tech. there will be accidents. The 229 was flyable at the speeds it was going. The problems with modern flying wings was their greatly increased speed.
Keith Au: Could you rewrite that a little more comprehensible. The Ho 229 flew several times. The Horton bros. flew a glider version several years earlier. They were brilliant designers. Nothing ''spooky'' about what they did.
I would have liked the video if it where not for the fact that you made it seem like the flying wing design for the Horten 229 was too unstable and difficult to fly. It wasnt the horten had some yaw issues which where then planned to be fixed more by extra airbrakes for rudder on the wing tips. And the reason the Ho 229 crashed was not because of the design. The engines they where using (although they where good engines) where designed without the materials they needed, which caused an Engine Fire. This in combination with the wooden frame, caused the aircraft to loose lift and structural integrity slightly as the engine burned. The plane then as a result of the opposing force of the engine, combined with the fact the side of the aircraft that had an engine fire no longer had thrust and Erwin Ziller attempted whilst there was altitude at 800m to dive and climb to recover speed to restart the engine, may have succumb to the fumes from the burning engine causing him to lose conciousness (just speculation). All resulted in the Plane spiralling to the ground and once it hit the ground at the boundery of a field, Erwin Ziller was thrown from the aircraft and died instantly from his injuries. The aircraft in real life was very good handling wise. The only reason it took pilots time to learn how to fly it was because of the steep learning curve, because a flying wing aircraft behaves much differently to normal aircraft. Another piece of evidence to prove its ability to fly without needing computers for stability, is the fact that a simulated dogfight was done on one of the test flights with the v2 which resulted in it beating an me 262 at the time, it being noted that it outperformed it in nearly every aspect.
FurureFlash: Very well said. The Ho229 was fully functioning flying wing. The Luftwaffe with 100 Ho229 would be formidable indeed.
It looks so futuristic and otherworldly even by 2021 standards. Damn it's a sexy plane !
top of the DAY. AMERICA TOOK THE SCIENTISTS FROM GERMANY TO ADVANCE AMERICA'S MILITARY AS WELL AS START NASA SPACE PROGRAM.
No shit Sherlock
@@fivehundrediq5212 yep they took them scientist when ww2 ended and the cold war came up half of them is in soviet union half of them in america
Why'd you keep all the good stuff from the Russians, YOUR ALLIES?
Needs louder music, I can still hear the commentary.
Lmao
bruh
Why do people try to torment us with repetitively boring background cacophony of sounds. Without doubt without Hitler they could have won the war. He was a nut job, a firecracker emotionally unstable with no long term planning ability.
@@JohnSmith-gy4qj without Hitler, there would have been no war - a much less insane action. All wars are run by maniacs.
🥍 hilarious
The Hortens had been making gliders in the flying wing design prior to the war. They started to continue to improve their designs while being in the German airforce. One of the brothers was in a special position to allow them to continue, under the nose of Goering. When the 3 x 1000 program was started, they came clean to win the prize money. Then they really got working on the design, and even got some of the first jet engine prototypes.
They should have stuck to gliders, their design was taken over by Gotha a real aircraft manufacturer who even had an experimental version fly but never finished the next experimental version.
Albert Eistein came from Germany and begged the us to build the atom bomb before Germany completed theirs.
Germany lost interest in it after the British and Norwegians stopped the heavy water supplies and the RAF bombed Peenemunde, USA got a head start from British and Canadian research.
Inspire by 10000 B.C. Australia boomerang
Nice.
Somewhere must be a hurling device :P
so why didn't it fly like a boomerang by rotating? FAIL
Nice reach lol
Proud to be German 💪. We were a great people at one point in time. Technology guru's
Shan Brown: About 6 months before the German formal declaration of war Roosevelts "neutrality patrols" were escorting British Convoys almost to the west coast of Ireland. The US was already waging a defacto war against Germany, Hitler did all he could to avoid war. For instance ordering U-boat commanders to not shoot torpedos at US escorts unless directly attacked and in a dire situation. Propaganda in the US, then as now, is biased to Britain and Israel. Perhaps Hitler could have tolerated neutrality patrols for a few months longer.
You still are! Tell Frau Merkel stop destroying your Country! From a concerned American Friend.
@Shan Bowen Japan got America involved
No.
Japan brought the United States of America to war. Germany did not dare set foot in America, it was Japan (Imperial) and its damn excessive pride.
@@itrail5763 no. They attacked the USA because they feared they would grow too powerful and enter the war, so they wanted to finish them off before they could grow powerful
I like it. But damn your music is loud and hype throughout the video. Like honestly calm down this a ten minute video, you can insert the hype music at the end. Nice pictures and story overall though
[CHRIS] Thanks for the feedback. We will be doing a re-edit of the video in the coming weeks, and will reduce the background audio while we are at it.
Wow, it's refreshing to see a creator actually care about comments.
Subbed :D
@@ProjectDaVinci Is this "re-edit" a fake news? Couldn't find it :-o
The plane is hype.
This is the highest quality video I've seen in a relatively new channel great video keep up the good work
[CHRIS] Thanks for the encouragement. We also published a video on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, and have many great videos coming in 2018.
Two Bit Aviation yeah I saw it and commented on it it was also great
The first completely accurate video on this subject. Cudos for that!
Really? Opening scenes of truck and jeep travelling through jungle...
Asks three rhetorical questions on the Horten 9 design, the answer to all of which is 'No'...
"First version of Horten flying wing was an unpowered glider"- showing the prototype version 5 with two pusher propellers ...
"Horten brothers shifted their attention to the next evolution...the Amerika bomber". No they didn't. The next step was the Horten 10, run by the Gotha designers. The Hortens went back to avoiding the war by messing around with the Ho9 v3,4,5,6... The 'Amerika' bomber is two pencil sketches.
"Was it stealth?" No, it wasn't. The design had low reflectivity is all, as it's all curves and wood. (Shape, shape, shape, material?) The Hortens added carbon to their glue so they could see where it was as they glued the plywood layers to the wings. Gotta get it all even.
Did these guys not even read Wikipaedia on the history?
Yeah, the Horton HO-229 is disturbingly amazing.
A portion of why I remember the damned plane is-
In the PS2 game _Medal of Honor_ your character steals one! lol!
I remember that!
as someone who grew up watching WINGS on the discovery channel, i dig your content and production value.
@0:15 seconds into this video I realized why the German engineers failed to effect the war with this aircraft.. They couldn't get it out of the hanger...
Thanks, you just answered my doubts about Ho229 for all these years.
20% is a heafty reduction , that's excellent
And 150 mph faster than conventional fighters.It would have been a nigtmare for the british..
Excellent is a bit hyperbolic
@@neillgockelen4823 And an even worse nightmare for German fuel consumption.
The “prototypes” that were captured were actually Ho IX Test Beds for the Ho 229. The actual Ho 229 would have been about 10% bigger in area to get greater wing fineness ratio around engine area to raise Mach limit. This was due to an accessories gearbox of the Jumo 004 being bigger than the Hortens had been told. The Ho 229 would have had semiconducting charcoal filler called “formholz” made of carbon black, sawdust and glue about an inch thick between two sheets of multiply wood. The Germans didn’t have the kind of ecuadorian balsa dehaviland used on the mosquito so they used this plastic wood instead. Its well known and this video gets it wrong.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
The Horten's never got past gliders, since the proposed Ho 229 was years away it is irrelevant and would be obsolete.
Although never designed for stealth, the RAF's Vulcan bombers confused US radar operators during joint exercises by appearing to be a fighter in size.
I think the question "Is it stealth" is such a bad one. Stealth is something that keeps progressing, not a binary "yes or no" thing. As radar, or even other methods, get better at detecting these sorts of things, new stealth methods will need to be made to counter those.
Thats a good point. It's really about how small or big your radar signature(s) are, and other types of signatures.
I agree. The fact that the stealth engineers at Northrup (arguably the best on the planet) concluded a 20% reduction in RCS, the 229 was by definition a more inherently 'stealthy' design than what was currently in any country's inventory. As to the discussion regarding the intent by the Horten brothers to make their design 'stealthy' (AKA, 'more' stealthy) ... keep in mind that their other brother, Wolfgang, was killed while laying mines in the English Channel from the Heinkel 111 he was flying. The British Chain Home system detected the flight and sent fighters to investigate/intercept. Walter and Reimar were very aware that their brother's death was a direct result of ... wait for it ... ... RADAR. Considering this, I don't see that their desire to counter the main cause of their brothers death, via a more 'stealthy' aircraft, to be a huge leap of faith. Skal, ^v^
@@taproom113 The fact that the Horten brothers didn't know anything about stealth and that it was not stealthy in any way, being made out of wood meant a slightly reduced radar return but still more than a DH Mosquito.
Providing a catalogue of sources, however briefly you mention the content, is an admirable commitment to quality of research.
Here's hoping for many more two bit subscribers :)
Way ahead of its time. Fascinating stuff.
I would really like to see a program on the A1-Skyraider. It's still my favorite plane of all time! Over the course of it's life, it did it all as a war plane.
We will consider that for a future video. Thank you for the suggestion!
I searched "dorito plane" and this came up
Good video, nice animations and damn the narration is on point
[CHRIS] Thanks for the kind comments. We have an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter video coming soon.
The stability issues with all of the flying wings could have eventually been overcome with engineering and time and the related costs. The drawback, including with the extremely successful B-2 stealth bomber, is that they are limited to subsonic speeds and could be easily intercepted in the jet era. Without the special stealth coating, which needs to be reapplied regularly even the B-2 would be susceptible to interceptions.
I like your voice here.. its very engaging.
It took a very skilled pilot to fly these. And Germany was lacking experienced pilots at the end of the war
They lost one experienced pilot trying to fly the experimental version.
@@barrierodliffe4155 yep
great vid! nice one
Add to this the fact Nazi Germany had failed to produce safe and reliable jet engines. The Junker Jumo-004 was ALWAYS a disaster waiting to happen --weak metal alloys being a critical part of the problem. The BMW-003 (from what I read) fared somewhat better... but was in extremely short supply.
Germany 💪❤🇩🇪
people on the ground "Hey look its a boomerang!" People on the plane: "Wow tiny people"
You mean tiny targets?
yep
*y o u m e a n t i n y i v a n s ?*
An aspect of "Operation Paperclip" that many forget is that the german technology captured by allied troops and transferred to the U.S. was then kept in full american control cutting access to what were former allies by then.
Not an issue for Reimar Horten. The poor sod couldn't get arrested.
Now i want this skin for WarThunder XD
Would it have made them win the war: no
Does it look cool: I guess
@Mustafa Iraq Most people will have stupid profile pictures. Like mine, a Nazi dude awkward face after getting his butt slapped by Hitler. Doesnt mean i support Nazism or homosexuality.
@TigerClaw! What fuel were they going to use to fly these extremely fuel hungry machines? They would've lost the war much faster had they somehow miraculously put these into mass production, imagine barbarossa but the Germans are lacking even more fuel than in our timeline because they decided to mass produce jets, yeah not gonna work out too well. How about the later battles, how fast do you think North Africa, Italy or the land beyond the Rhine would've been lost to the unrelenting Allied advance?
@TigerClaw! they needed fuel anyway. An aircraft that could fly higher, farther and faster could make better use of that fuel.
A school bus uses a ton of diesel but it delivers a bunch of kids in one trip.
Individual cars can do the same job with much less fuel but collectively use more gas than the bus does...
@TigerClaw! Nope, Germany would have been better off slowing jet development for more high performance high alt piston engines. Germany's development and use of these weapons was too early and ultimately cost them too much in resources, long story shot Germany lost a war in logistics.
@Mustafa Iraq long live Putinism. the future of all mankind
Not that it matters but the design of the fuselage reminds me more or the Navy A6 Intruder especially from the front.
Look at that texturing :)
Very nice
I love the horten
[CHRIS] I love WWII stuff, and we do have plans of including some WWII-era aircraft videos in the future. But even better are the prototypes from Germany, Japan, and even the US.
There are a few interesting developments of experimentals along those lines today, but that's still about all which can be said for this all-wing tail-less high aspect ratio plane.
An ultralight or glider would be great.
Man I love this channel . I wish I found it earlier
Very cool. I'm a big Horton fan.
Nice use of the battlefield music
Hanger in the woods? It was a bloody barn my dude.
Girl: Where should we meet up tn? 😋
Me: *Trying to sound like a pilot* The hangar in the woods. 😏
Girl: Nigga the BaRn? 🤨
You have to love German technology. Sometime when I learn about something the Germans did. I'm always amazed.
gotta luv those horse drawn wagons the wehrmacht depended on to move then. The poor german army used more horses in ww2 than the kaiser did in ww1.
Faszinierend..
I think that is fascinating.
Testing this against modern RADARs? Seriously.
Modern radar is basically still the same concept . just fine tuned and digital now.
The Germans were thinking if your fast enough the radar net would have time to launch a strike against them. Face it a jet against the fastest Spitfire or Mustang would be laughable.
Modern radars set to be similar to British chain home in 1940
Francis Friesen radar backwards is radar
There was a special where they tested a replica, but with inaccurate construstion. That being said it did show some promise but someone needs to test an accurate replica. I'm willing to bet that it would show some promise. Control however has always been problematic for flying wings.
A. Clark 1. RADAR has changed a bit especially with anti stealth RADAR.
Sounds like wolfenstein or The Man in The High Castle
Randy Cheow They appeared in Wolfenstein since the New Order.
I look at it for a second, omg it's a startling!!!
"Went to the Moon", oh no.
It might be to simplefied, we Germans lost the War when we started it, or more likely when we attacked Mother Russia :.(
It was lost after the attack on Poland, germany was not able to win against GB that's about it. It would have taken maybe 10 years or so but there is no way Germany wins against GB.
-Industry advantage
-Insane manpower advantage (India and all the other colonies)
-Naval advantage
+Kekel Man
"-Industry advantage
-Insane manpower advantage (India and all the other colonies)
-Naval advantage"
-The deadliest joke in the world
No argument? ok... no argument
All of them are 100% correct.
well germany could invade the uk.
one they can easily bomb their airforce into submission, then start attacking the home fleet while its still in port, forcing them to either take extreme casualties or risk going out into german infested waters... pick your poison.
then launch a sea and air invasion through the north of britian and the south, forcing british defenses into a two sided battle. all while being attacked by an ever growing German airforce and a complete lack of supplies or reinforcements.
like it wouldnt be easy but it for sure could've been a possibility. and the germans can easily keep its territories out of the game by "giving their freedoms" for neutrality. then you got the USSR to deal with.
which if the panzer 3 was upgraded with its 50mm in time, could've easily crush the t34 and kv1 push's when those things first saw combat.
+Thekilleroftanks
First of all, Germany needed air superiority, which they never achieved
Secondly, home fleet was never in its entirety in port
Thirdly, the Dieppe Raid showed what was necessary for a successful invasion, which Germany was severely lacking for Fall Seelöwe
Lastly, wargames after the war showed that Germany would not have been capable of mounting a successful invasion, any attempt would have resulted in a major loss
with only severe (but not debilitating) damage to the British Navy as best result
Landed on the moon lol 😂
I'm very much into this topic and I've found some inconsistencies here:
1. It is very likely that they had a reduced radar signature in mind, even as a hard requirement. Radar and stealth was not very well understood in the early 40's and this design has been the best at the time. Also the jet engines are enclosed in the body and the turbine outlet is on top, which is important. You can see that this is important, as they had to come up with a very complicated way, to cover up the turbine outlet on the F22 Raptor.
(The radar reflectancy is also a squared value, so 20% is much more than it sounds, constructionwise)
2. There has been a simulated dogfight between the HO229 and the Me262 (the most advanced jet fighter of it's time) it came out, that the manouverability of the HO229 was superior to the Me262, no mentioning of instability. Also it was more stable, if a turbine cut out (this happened often).
3. The aircraft was not lost due to bad stability, it happened during a landing, because the test pilot deployed the airbrakes too early, causing a stall, damageing the undercarriage.
Read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
4. Why am I just seeing your video just now? You guys are awesome! Subbed!
1. The radar return would have been about the same as a DH Mosquito..
2. There was no dogfight with an me 262, the Me 262 could not dogfight and the experimental aircraft hardly flew.
3. The second attempted flight the undercarriage was damaged, the next flight the aircraft completely destroyed.
There is nothing to support the claim of a simulated dogfight. The only thing the Reimer Horten mentions is a comparison with 262 figures in a telephone report by Ziller. The simplest thing to do is ask yourself, if it was stealth why didn't Argentina have a stealth fighter in 1950?
Late to the party i know, but nice vid! Thanks for sharing.
I'm impressed, admittedly. There are tons of weird YT-clips speculating about this plane and I usually refuse to comment on those. This is the first video to name the sources of the provided information so far, so thumbs up for this!
But please do us the favour to stay away from the useless "What, if the germans..."-questions. Since all answers are pure speculation, it will lead to nowhere.
I wonder where you got the information about the flying instability issues you mentioned with the Ho 229. The animations you show are typical for a cheap RC-foamie flying wing model, but they have nothing to do with highly elaborated flying wings like Ho IV and the later types. So I doubt this very much.
Always keep in mind that the remaining V3 was only a prototype. Don't draw too much conlusions out of it. If you have ever seen pictures of the first flying FW190 prototype, you'll know what I mean...
It's clearly stated in the 1983 Horten book that the intended stealth features weren't ready to use for the prototypes, so the V3 doesn't have the charcoal sandwich cover and it doesn't have the wooden fuel tank wings (Meaning the wing itself is used as a fuel tank, put together with fuel resistant glue. Sorry for my english, I'm german...)
The lies in the 1983 book. The Horten brothers did not know what stealth was. Charcoal is just a myth. Britain made paper drop tanks for the USAAF and they did work but not for long, just imagine this thing after a few hours leaking like a sieve.
Northrop was building and testing flying wings as far back as 1932
Also the Horten brothers with the H1.
The difference was that Northrop didn't get access to jet propulsion until '46/'47, and jet engines greatly improve flying-wings stability over propellers.
Northrop Flying Wings were Prop Engine jobs not Jet Engines Flying Wing like the Horten HO229.
@@666theninja do your homework the first we're infact internal combustion aircraft but there was a production run of fifty jet variants
@@sidwalters7455 lol Jet Engines in the Horten HO 299 :)
I love your videos.
Thank you. We have more coming! A-10 Warthog is next.
Your article requires correction. Reimar & Walter Horten worked for the Gotha Waggonfabrik company. They designed their flying wing, BUT the first 2 prototypes were the Ho IX V1 and Ho IX V2. The V1 became a glider, but the V2 flew, getting up to 500mph. There is actual film of the flights of the V2 somewhere - I've seen it. Officially, the final aircraft type was being built when the factory was over-run by U.S. troops. This type was OFFICIALLY designated the Gotha Go229, NOT the Ho229.
+Darth Florist I don't think they were able to get speed measurements on the V2, just estimates. The V2 crashed on the very flight to measure speed data.
Darth Florist: Horten V2 795km/h - 494mph Horten V3 977 km/h - 608mph
@@mariannepompa4152 Estimations only. The V2 was on the flight to measure speed data when the fatal crash occurred.
you have me as an subscriber.
very interesting video
[CHRIS] Thanks for the kind comments, and glad to have you as a subscriber. We also just put out a video on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, and are working on our next video as we speak.
I'm watching it right now :D
[Ricky] Yes thanks so much for the kind words! We're new but we're so happy to have you aboard :) more great stuff on its way!
What was the most popular car in berlin in 1945,
T-34 komrad
A car is not a tank.
@Hell Boy Idiot!
Yeah, the bombers like B-2 - ahead of their time. The engines are close to a cabin and near the wings without back feathering
Fuel. Jet fuel is essentially kerosene. Requires less refining than gasoline, so that may not have been as much of an issue. That said, all sorts of supplies were becoming scarce as Germany lost ground as the war went on. Food, raw materials, fuel... But they obviously had fuel up to the end and would have prioritized its use in the best equipment.
+Winters Battle of Bands If I recall there were about seven fuel specifications for the Me-262 that could be mixed from what was on-hand in the field. Kerosene, avgas and oil, etc.
The B-2 has an ancestry going back through the B-49 and the B-35 Flying Wings. Northrop has a long history with flying wings dating back long before the Ho-229.
@Teddles Peddles not relevant. Jack Northrup had been working on flying wing designs back in the 1930s, he was obsessed with the idea. The design of the B-2 is derived from Jack Northrup's design ideas, not the design ideas of the Horton brothers and the Ho-229 never made it to the production line, the first prototype was discovered by American troops while still under construction
It was a case of simultaneous invention. The German and American flying wings worked completely differently. Northrop used wing sweep with a lot of 4 degrees wing twist at tips. The tips were given slats. The Hortens used only a little wing twist but used instead auto stable reflexed airfoil but no slats. Lippisch in the Me 163 used auto stable airfoil with slots. Completely different tech.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
The Horten's designs failed as did the Me 163
Northrop was building flying wings in the late 30s its demise was politically influenced that's a fact the Horton's were building flying wings in perial it happens like Goddard and von brawn
The Horten HO229 was the First Jet Engine Flying Wing, the Northrop Flying Wing was a Prop Engine job.
Yes! We def need a video on the Amerika Bomber! Please make it so... Liked and already subed...
Awesome! We have a back log for the next few videos but we’ll keep going and hope not to disappoint!
Amerika Bomber is basically like this
A project for a bomber to reach US soil and drop the payload. It has to be 3x1000:
-1000 km/h in speed
-Carrying 1000 kg of explosives
-1000 km range
Also, these numbers are hyperbolic. It's just the Führer's fascination with big numbers.
@@darnit1944
That was the requirement for the Ho 229 not the Amerika bomber.
1000 kms is the total range so it would reach Britain but would have to get past the RAF.
The Amerika bomber would have to fly over 3,000 kms to just go one way, it was a pipedream and never existed.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Oh, right. Thanks for the correction
Be sure to mention the Ho-8 derivative of the bomber. Projected post-war all-wing transport, 6 contra-rotating trailing-edge props. The payload of the transport was ~ the all-up weight of the bomber, nearly 3x the size.
Rather like Northrop's huge all-wing liner designs.
See also the '60s Reimar Horten, Argentine, "Naranjero" fruit transport all-wing, the IA-38. Derived from all of these and actually built a& test flown, though handicapped by political decision to use inferior domestic engines instead of P&W radials.
Please do the ME 163!
cool looking plane. I think we all can agree on that.
Makes one wonder how many ideas from the 20's ,30's and 40's are being reexamine to see if today's tech could make the principle work?
The Hortons made some beautiful designs. They were the Jack Northrop of Germany.
Ho 229: “what’d you call me?!”
While still hard to obtain in the later days of the war, I’m pretty sure the junker jumo engines primarily ran on diesel.
Germans: make jet powered fighters
Tuskegee airmen: I’m about to end this war
*Laughs in russian bias*
The B-2 was an extension of research by Jack Northop which started in the late 1930's.
do one of these on the Avro Arrow
The northdrop corporation developed some prototype test flown flying wing bombers after the end of the war but these were not production aircraft with only 3 built...and program cancelled in 1949
Ho 229 an Amazing machine considering the time it was built 50y ahead of its time.
Of course Northrup would say it signature was not good (it would make them look bad), but with the charkoal in the body, and probably later refined with other materials graphite based "hint hint" it would have been the first stealth easy. It would not have taken long for the germans to refine it to evade radar Max 2-3 years. Alas they have lost the war so no cigar there.
It definitely was ahead of it's time, though Jack Northrop had some interesting flying wing designs many years earlier (at least on record). As to the stealth capabilities of the Ho 229, it depends on whether you believe Reimar Horten's claims years later.
"Ho 229 an Amazing machine considering the time it was built 50y ahead of its time."
There is so much wrong with this comment I really do not know where to start.
Flying wings were known and built at that time by other nations than germany.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_N-1M
The only semi "revolutionary" thing about it are the engines, it truly is a 40s aircraft in every way and is NOT the father of the B-2.
This bullshit gets spread way to much by people that have 0 knowledge on the subject.
"but with the charkoal in the body, and probably later refined with other materials graphite based "
What?
Without fly by wire and computer fly controls ,(the things that finely made the B2 bomber practical to fly)
It still would have cratered more pilots the it would drop bombs.
"Without fly by wire and computer fly controls ,(the things that finely made the B2 bomber practical to fly)"
Wrong the B2 was DESIGNED to be instable there are a lot of flying wings that are actually pretty easy to fly.... most of modern jet fighters and bombers are designed to be unstable to allow them more aggressive maneuvers the B2 was desigend with this knowledge in mind.
It's not like they had the B2 design in a folder and waited for fly by wire, they designed it to be like that it's not a weird mistake that is being corrected by fly by wire.
@@clausejoke1985 no, your thinking of the stealth fighter. If you actually read about the first flying wing that first had prop engines. Then later up graded to jets, both had issues with stability. You may want some stability issues with a fighter as it gives an edge in agility. That is something you don't want in a bomber.
Since bombers need a more stable fly to make an efficient platform.
Ps. The first flying wing by the US flew in the 50s. So yes, the design did get put in a folder until computers and the later fly by wire made the airframe workable and reliable aircraft.
Wait, wha? Hang on, lemme turn this background music down so I can hear you.
Yeah, we know. We need to re-edit this video to take down the volume and some make the visuals better. It was our first video on aviation, and have learned a lot. Hope you can stick with us.
@@ProjectDaVinci subscribed. It was still a good video about a subject I'd never heard of.
Reimar Horten continued designing aircraft with the same shape in Córdoba, Argentina. He died in Villa General Belgrano, Calamuchita, Córdoba in 1994. Villa General Belgrano is an almost German town inside Córdoba.
*_The Flatspin Master_*
"Couldn't be a stable aircraft without a computer" Ya'll do know that the wing planform is almost identical to a lot of hang gliders, right?
Hang gliders do not fly at 600 mph.
@@barrierodliffe4155, Hang gliders don't fly at 600 mph because of the materials they are made of, not their shape. That's actually *why* hang gliders use this shape; It is inherently stable as long as the CG is within the correct range.
@@Cee64E
Stable at low speed but it is not good at high speed which is why no one adopted the shape apart from hang gliders.
@@barrierodliffe4155, after wracking my brain to think of an example that would prove otherwise, I must admit defeat. The few aircraft that share this wing planform, or even variants of it, either have a vertical fin, or are in fact computer stabilized. Doing some quick and dirty research it looks like the design is subject to some accelerating dutch roll at high speeds. I concede the point.
@@Cee64E Well, to some degree the space shuttle can be considered a glider. Gliding pretty fast. Then again it's not entirely a single wing design.
20% can be alot.
“Hey Jeff, why is a large goose flying towards us at 1000km/h?”
-I don’t know Martin, probably the radar is faulty.
Even a large Goose does not have a 45 foot wingspan. I trust you realize the 1,000 kmh was the top speed it would not do that for long.
aerodynamic principles were there, engine development and technology not so much
For a moment I thought the video ended at 1:35
Everyone: The Nazis are so mean they killed innocent people.
Me: They made pretty rad planws though.
What the fyck is the usa doing today besides killing.
@@gulfy09 doing politics
@@d33znutz52 killing
@@gulfy09 killing Japanese Innocent Citizen ,and Vietnamese Farmer
@Gustav Vatsug you got it right!! You're awesome
Im just too impressed by German engineers. They were doing shit nobody was doing at that time which is still impressive today.
@@peterson7082 why do you say that
@@peterson7082 I guess but they did put out the concepts for them. Like this one. And the shape for the F117 was also theorised by a German engineer, the moon mission was also directed by the German who actually made the first missile that could go out of some level (I forgot which one) of atmosphere and come down again. And there are rumours of other crazy experiments and possibility that they made come crazy tech back then
@@fieryspy6414
The reason no one else was doing many of the things some German's tried to do is they did not work.
There are none of these flying today, because they are quite unstable without computer controlled adjustments. Like some of the other wartime ideas there would have been a lot of crashes.
I often wonder what would have the effect of these very advanced aircraft were put into production, Like the Horten and the Me 262, instead of the Me 109 and the Focke Wulfe 190 .What would have been the effect on the bomber fleets ,particularly with the weapons they were supposed to carry
"The Horten Ho229 resembled nothing else of the era"
Jack Northrop became interested in the concept of the flying wing in the 1930s, and had a flying wing program which long predated the Horten. See the XB-35, YB-35 (both powered by piston engines) and YB-49 (jet powered). The latter got cancelled in 1950, in favour of the Convair B-36. Eventually the Northrop project resurfaced as the Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber
1) "Chain Home" was anything but advanced, at 15-20MHz. But it got the job done. The Nazi engineers already had 50MHz radars with steerable dishes. They scoured British radio signals with their dirigibles, but searched above 50MHz. Thought the Brits were smarter than that. :-(
THe British were smarter, Germany had no idea how the British radar worked.
It would be better without that loud noise, in fact I skipped most of the parts oft his thing just to make it finish earlier. I don't know why the speakers has to hide behind a wall of noise (that some would call - "music.")
The CZcams algorithm did a good job
Awesome... welcome !
I guess when they weren’t busy getting dueling scares they actually really learned something. Their scientists were beyond their years. Too bad their leader was a crack head. Actually, not too bad, good thing he was.
Most of the German scientists were Jews, the rest no more able than other countries scientists.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Are you saying Jewish scientists in general are all more able than other, non-Jewish scientists? What a racist thing to say! All countries have good scientists and bad ones. Some force them to work harder others reward them to entice them to work harder and yet others steal them using operation paperclip. Whatever helps them with their cause, whether it's an atomic bomb, a V2 rocket or winning the space race. Mostly it's politicians calling the shots.
I can't imagine what it must have been like for some German jewish scientists who fled to America before the war and worked for the USA, to then have to work side by side with the scientists or even military personnell brought over through project paper clip, some of which they likely fled from in the first place.
@@johnny5wd567
Germany lost many of their best scientists who were Jewish, that is not racist but true. German scientists who were not Jewish either had to work for the Nazi's or go and fight on the Eastern front, that is why Germany had lot of odd so called wonder weapons which failed.
@@johnny5wd567 "...yet others steal them using operation paperclip." Steal them? You think von braun put up a fight?
US copied those high tech and now they are in the top! But I love German technology + Japan Technology.
IJN Yamato!
Lol no. The US already had the xb35 and yb35 development in progress.
@@sensei-lr4cj I think I saw some video of Yakovlev Yak-36. Vertical take off experimanted in 1956-USSR?!
8dzenja6 Thats such a biased statement when you say the US can’t defeat Germany and I can tell.
@@DaanPyrography
I doubt it the first experimental version did not fly until 1963 and unlike the British Harrier was a failure.
If you can find it, read about the trouble the XB-49 had. And I'm not talking about flying nor bombing. On its' transcontinental flight, it made it to California where it refueled. At the time, jet engines burned oil as well as jet fuel. The oil was to help lubricate the engine. Now here's where it gets interesting. The FLIGHT ENGINEER was responsible for ensuring t5hat all the oil bladders were filled during the refueling. He signed off on it saying they were full. Then got permission to take another way back to the East Coast. However, on the flight back they got engine fire warnings from several engines and had to shut them down. Upon landing it turned that NONE of the bladders were refilled. Shortly after that, the flight engineer was killed in a car accident before he could be questioned about why the oil bladders weren't filled yet he signed off on it. This one one of the reasons sighted for not going with the Flying Wing. There were others. Like it wasn't a stable bombing platform. IBM solved that with an early model autopilot. From what I've heard, it all came down to dirty politics and money.
@2:49 Anikan Skywalkers pod
Could germany have won WW II with their secret stealth fighter?
1 The Ho 229 never got off the drawing board.
2 The Ho 229 had no stealth.
3 The Ho 229 was meant to be a bomber, the requirement was to take a 1,000 kg bomb load, 1,000 kms and a top speed of 1,000 kmh
Horten 229 flew as prototype in 1944... stealth capabilities of Horten design was tested by US american military doing a replica (for exhibition, what they of course usually do on their own projects as top secret) not long ago.
And yes, it is pretty much stealth in context of reducing radar detection quite a lot...
It's rather that germans only noticed the "Nurfluegler" design to be hard to detect using radar by accident - it's not like the concept of taking this form was started with this purpose.
@@Vickzq
What the Hortens flew were gliders, Gotha took over and flew an experimental aircraft which was not a prototype, it had no provision for any weapons or the ability to carry weapons, the very slightly less visible on radar would not have made much difference, in fact it would have been about the same as most other aircraft.
@@peterson7082 And the V1, V2, and V3 were all different designs. The V3 that was captured was not even finished with construction. The Hortens only got about two test flight hours from the smaller V2 and didn't have the chance to get any performance metrics. The program was not as mature as what is being portrayed in quasi-documentaries today.
@@Vickzq There wasn't a 229 to fly, just the third iteration prototype that wasn't even complete. The V2 prototype was just the first to get in the air with jet engines and crashed after two hours. And any stealth qualities were by accident and not design. The Horten brothers were building the flying wing for speed and fuel efficiency and that is how they proposed their idea to Goering to get money in 1943. The modern radar experiment was done with a mock-up model shaped like the Horten design.
@@peterson7082
Yes, true - but it doesn't matter much if they worked for the museum, as they used real radar equipment for the test.
Damn Germany was eons ahead in technology back then!
@J Calhoun add a couple of zeros and boom, eons ahead!
@J Calhoun No duh there. I might've been unclear, but my response was meant to be taken as a joke.
So far ahead they lost the war. Germany was behind on aerodynamics, behind on jet engines and even behind on stealth.
@@barrierodliffe4155
I'm not sure about stealth but with jet engines and aerodynamics germany was definitely ahead of everyone else by far (hence why they were the pioneers of the jet engine, the rocket engine, and all that other fancy technology).
They just simply didn't have the same abundance of resources that the allies had.
@@FretAndForget
Jet engines? is that why the German jet engines were so unreliable while three seperate British companies were making jet engines including the best jet engines available anywhere and these were given to USA and Russia. Aerodynamics? is that why Germany was trying to make 600 mph aircraft and Britain was looking at 1,000 mph aircraft from 1943. All the fancy technology? Much of which was far behind Britain.
Interesting video. Could you do a video on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBB_Lampyridae ?
I've heard several rumours around that development as well.
howard stark be like: i am limited by the technology of my time
and then the germans be like: hold my beer
and yet he had a flying car.
USA : Pioneer fly by Wright brother
Germany : Pioneer ho29
USA : copy paste B 2 ?
If nazis still existed, i guess they would make time machines too
More likely make super efficient gas chambers and crematoria.
Today the usa call it "we have build it"
Jack Northrup at the Northrup Aviation Company was more of advanced in the flying wings then the Horton brothers flying wing. Jack Northrup has started developing the flying wink back in the late 1920s put it on hold and to the U.S. Army Air Corps was looking for a long-range bomber to bomb Germany from the United States. Northrup Aviation Company won the contract to develop the flying wing. During the early 1940’s to the cancellation in 1949, there was a total of five different versions of the following week.
Northrop N-1M
US Propeller Experimental 1940 Prototype
Northrop N-9M
US Propeller Experimental 1942 Prototype 4 flown. The last one was refurbished and is still flying.
Northrop XP-79
US Jet Fighter 1945 Prototype
Northrop XB-35 & YB-35
US Propeller Bomber 1945 Prototype
Northrop YB-49
US Jet Bomber 1947 Prototype
But they were Prop Engine Jobs lol, unlike the Horten HO229 that was Jet Engines Flying Wing.