Will the Mariners Take Another Crack at Externally Solving Second Base?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Cubs second baseman Nico Hoerner has been a hot topic in the Mariners fandom on Monday, so Ty and Colby why they're intrigued by him as an option to replace Jorge Polanco. Then the two answer some listener questions, once again going over what will fix Seattle's offensive struggles and more.
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In a cubs fan and let me just say, if you land Nico, you’ll be much better for it. He’s fundamentally perfect and the gold glove defense is real. He will never have a bad thing to say about anybody anywhere and is a huge plus in the clubhouse. I’d be very sad to see him go but Nico is very underrated.
I wanna see colby do one of the advertisements on this show
He should do the Fanduel one "when sports ain't sportsing" 😂
At what point do we start to think Julio is not a superstar. Maybe he’s Randy Arozarena. A 120 wrc+ bat with occasional extreme hot streaks
Unfortunately..... I think Julio is who you described. Great defender. Extremely streaky hitter who put up good #'s last couple of years. Right now he is the most painful at bat 2watch on this team! Way 2many Swing & miss @anything (inside or outside) off the plate. Absolutely no plate discipline! We're screwed cuz unless a miracle of all miracles takes place.... Julio's approach will not change!! If he were a SS like Trout, Grif, Gwynn, Bonds.... we might have a chance!! Don't hold ur breath
When he gets to age 29 and is still producing like this. The thing about Julio is that he's had a bunch of Superstar moments and/or stretches, where you can see that the talent is more than what the numbers say. And he's so young that he's got at least another year or two to figure out how to put those all together and make it more than a moment, more than a streak, over the course of a full season. He's 23 years old so he won't hit his prime for another year, in my opinion. He's still maturing and the league has found a different way to attack him each season so far. First year was hard off the plate, out, before he figured that out. Then soft off. Then soft in, (which to me is his favorite to rake against). Now they've worked hard off the plate, in. Once he starts to cover that, there's nowhere else to go.
I wonder if there's a conversation around Hoerner, if there's also potentially mention of someone like Taillon who is also under contract for a couple more years and would be a great #4 pitcher with #3 upside if the concern around Woo grows at all.
Houston is coming after the ALL-star break to take the lead we need a trade asap 2 of them
Agreed, Colby Michael Arroyo is really starting to pop off. I would love to see the M's hold on to him. Do you think he has a chance of sticking in the Org? If so, where would he play with Emerson being the likely 3rd baseman and young at 2nd? Left?
Hoerner and bellinger im in! Lol
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Colby Flagged Luke Raley, Logan Gilbert, Josh Rojas, Bryan Woo, and Dylan Moore.
Ty Flagged Bryce Miller, Jorge Polanco, Luis Urías, Mitch Garver, and Mitch Haniger.
They should do nothing externally!!!! Better odds going with prospects. Maybe not the case for every other org but JD and company need to stop trading if they are not going for the elite.
Seeing a lot of people scoffing at this idea but I think Hoerner would make a ton of sense. This lineup is NOT one superstar away and they need to make improvements all over. Picking a spot and getting better is a great place to start. It also gives a little more certainty while we wait for the kids to climb the minor leagues. I do wonder what it would cost to acquire him though.
Nico would be the perfect fit and we haven’t had a solid 2B since Brett Boone. That being said since it would be a perfect fit you know Jerry won’t go make it happen
@@nathangeorge4201 We had Cano despite his PED usage.
He's in a down year and has guaranteed money (something like 3/$35M). Wouldn't exactly be buying high (unless we do the usual "but they have to eat the money for it to happen").
Im going on Aug28th by then i should know by then if should go or sell my tickets... they 5th row up on the 3rb base side... sec 139
I know people will blame Jerry and Justen but at the end of the day they got players who have a history of being good hitters our at least shown they can be good hitters it’s not their fault they don’t hit it’s the players themselves
OK, I'll bite. Why do so many players come to Seattle and suddenly forget how to hit a baseball? Are all those players just "washed", or could it be something else? 🤔Could it be the coaching/philosophy of saying "we don't care about strikeouts as long as you're doing damage at the plate"?
There have been too many players who have forgotten to hit when they came to Seattle. One or two yes, but Winker, LaStella, Wong, Pollock, Haniger and on and on. The Garver signing is especially intriguing. We didn't re-sign Tom Murphy because although he could hit he was always injured. Instead we dign Garver, a catcher who has a reputation of always being hurt to replace him. Didn't work out so good yesterday.
@@cathymonty6920la Stella and Pollock we’re arguably already washed. Bigger examples are Chone Figgins (shudders), Garver, Polanco, Winker etc.
I would hate playing for the Mariners as a player brought in through trade or farm system.
"Part of the Ship, part of the Crew"
So your saying we wont have 90 wins?
I am not going to panic with Julio and say he sucks...he doesn't. This might be a down year for him and we will bounce back next year. It will suck because this is the year that we NEED him to be him.
they have got to be overthinking it man.. how can a major league team miss that many fastballs in the middle of the strikezone?
Let’s say go big and get Horner and bellinger/Suzuki for canzone, bliss, polanco and lower tier prospect
It's gonna take a hell of lot more than that. Better add chase, Young, and Evans
That question about foregoing offense and adding pitching is one of the stupidest comments ever and I agree 💯 with you guys. Bro, did you not watch the microcosm of our offense in our only home playoff game where we scored 0 runs in 18 innings? Get a clue.
The funny thing is this team has already repeatedly doubled down on pinching and neglected the offense ya can't quadruple down on pitching and have below average offense
Saying the mariners have the 2nd best farm system after Baltimore is wild… preseason was a little while ago but you can’t find a list with them even in the top 10…
That is objectively wrong.
No smart person should be sleeping on the Astros. Houston's main problem was their pitching in March/April when they were 10-19 with an ERA north of 5.
Their ERA was 3.62 in May. Their ERA is 3.54 in June. That's coupled with one of MLB's best lineups with MLB's highest team batting average and lowest team strikeouts in MLB.
The Mariners have MLB's lowest batting average and lead MLB in strikeouts. The Mariners are in deep shit if they don't somehow miracle their way into learning how to hit the ball as a team, and there isn't one player they can acquire who can save them from that.
All these guys who aren't hitting right now are guys who they traded for because they hit before in other places. What makes anyone with a functioning brain stem think that Hoerner or anyone else they trade for now is going to hit well in Seattle? How many times are we going to be fooled and snakebitten by guys like Polanco, Wong, Frazier, etc.? How many defective 2nd basemen can they put on one team?
That and those idiots STILL don't treat DH like a position. They use it to give guys days off. That obviously (finally) bit them in the ass when they used Cal as the DH and a guy who's perpetually injured as their catcher, leading to Luis Freakin' Castillo stepping to the plate to not even attempt to sacrifice Raley to 3rd. Even healthy, the obvious statement to make is Raleigh and Garver should NEVER be in the lineup at the same time. A good argument can actually made to platoon them based on their numbers, but again, they still need a REAL DH. That's just one of many things.
There's really nothing else you guys can talk about outside that.
It’s crazy we continuously wait on Julio to figure it out when he’s supposed to be HIM. We all thought he was an absolute superstar
Even superstars have seasons like he is having.
Rengifo!!! I know he’s in our conference but the Angels need pieces
Polanco did good this last weekend . Let’s be patient and give Bliss some playing time too. Savala returning from Tacoma?
I think 50+ games played is enough time to “figure it out” for him. He’s striking out at a 32 percent clip and has no power.
@@yuriprater789 I’m all for bringing the Tacoma guys up and rolling the dice if the vets can’t make it happen
@@yuriprater789 Polanco had that two week injury timeout. Can always DH him a game here and there to get Bliss onfield
What probability is there of us actually getting Nico + a Vlad Jr level bat? I have little faith that it's that high 😅
It’ll be Nico and a Bryan De La Cruz type Outfielder most likely
@@Coco-cz2dzpain
@@Coco-cz2dz i mean, i would be pretty happy with that if JP, Julio, Mitch, and Polanco weren't complete ass. We would have to add a whole superstar level talent and like 1.5 allstar level talents AND a regular bat just to get what we're supposed to be getting out of them :( even the Dodger or Yankees wouldn't do that during a season.
Ahoy guys!!! 💙💛
Broken skipping record…we need 6 Nico’s lol
Move people around quit doing the same thing and expecting, something different to happen.
Why go get bats the coaching and the process in this hitting scheme is really bad replace the coach and not your future.
the reason why they cant solve second base is because cole young is taking all the aura there
The mariners have a curse at second base
Bliss has been ok!
@@jonathancracolici536I agree but the mariners don’t play him so he’s really not the second baseman, but he has been pretty good
They need to give the position to Bliss until he proves otherwise.
Will the Marniers win a world Series not with this group.
Seems like you two are taking the Astros lightly. Have you noticed the lineup has been ripping it. Hunter Brown and Ronel Blanco have been nails in June. JV will be back soon. Tucker will be back soon. This run they have been on has been without JV, and Tucker. If the Mariners do not watch out the Astros will pass the Mariners before the All Star break. They were 12 under 500 last month. They are on a run without their key players. It just seems you guys are sleeping on them. Will check in within a few weeks when Mariner fans are in panic mode.