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- Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes discuss the Kansas City Chiefs ahead of Super Bowl LVIII vs. San Francisco 49ers. The FTF crew react to Mahomes’ comments on chasing Tom Brady, Charvarius Ward’s bulletin board’s material, Travis Kelce getting boo’d and more.
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Maybe Nick has a point about rings culture: Mahomes could collect 7 SB rings and still be second-best to Tom Brady, because Tom Brady had a 20 year career at or near the top of the NFL, and actually won a SB at 75, or however old he was - one year from retiring from the league. Tom won SBs with basically 5 different teams (2 officially), or however you want to divide up his eras, and Mahomes may never have that chance. It's a big set of shoes to fill.
Nick's whole "rings culture" argument actually favors Brady and disfavors Mahomes; Brady was a starting QB for the most dominant dynasty in NFL history for over 20 years. He won SBs at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end of that tenure. Then he went on to win another one the first year with a new team. That's how you statistically prove your GOATness over a very long period of time. By doing it with roster after roster after roster after roster after roster after roster after roster...
Wildes' graphic 😂😂😂😂😂
"Pace" ask Jack Nicklaus about Tiger Woods being "on pace." "Pace" is a genuine statistical thing, but in the end you're still putting speculation up against fact. I.e., Brady doesn't have to ever touch a football again; he's actually completed all his work and turned it in and gotten his degree.
Wright: "if Caleb comes in and wins back to back SBs in his first two years, would it be justified to say he's on pace to bla bla bla...absolutely" First, you're back on Team Ring Culture, Nick. Second, you just put "pace" arguments in their proper place: idle speculation.
Wildes had me cracking up
🤣
The absolute most typical Brady energy I’ve ever seen. Funny af though love Wildes 😂
He needs to trend lately he going get kicked out the kingdom lol
Wildes with the ultimate mic drop 😂😂
I agree with him...brady beat mahomes twice...win 8 rings to become the goat...let's stop moving the goalpost....I don't see a pair of mannings a flacco a brees a rodgers a wilson a ben in the nfl today in mahomes way.... brady went though everyone and won
The championships graphic was a top 5 moment in FTF history 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
I preferred the moment before it when Wildes had Nick hook, line and sinker. Wilde's mentions "like in golf", Nick still doesn't see it coming and then Wildes hits him with the "lowest score wins" line. Only Wildes could have walked Nick into that one. 🤣
“Don’t go eye testing me left and right”, 😂 wildes is a treasure.
😂😂😂 I was in tears when Wildes was doing the ring comparison graphics and he said "don't double it, he'll have more. Turns out we were wrong"
The 3 V 7 was hilarious
Super hilarious especially when Brady beat him at age 45 on a new team recently in the bowl 😂
@@pharcity Brady has had quite a few stacked teams when you look at them. It also depends how Mahomes wins them and how fast. For sure I feel Mahomes is already top 5 which is pretty crazy.
@@pharcity not to mention it was Brady’s first time on the team 😂
Wildes be having me on the floor you hear me 😂😂
Brady did cheat.
Wildes mumbling numbers when comparing 5 and 7 was pretty on point
“Arrowhead West” I’m dead 😂
That was hilarious lol
Wildes’ erks and ticks and murmurs throughout the segment had me rolling😂😂
7 super bowls is INSANELY ridiculous. Doesn’t even sound real. Good luck catching that.
If he wins this that’s 3 already lol and many years to go.
Dudes been to 4 in 6 years…. I wouldn’t bet on him not getting to 7 😂 if he has like a 20 year career especially
Like bill Russell's 11
@@Zarab923when he gets there then we’ll talk
@@Zarab923you act like mobile QB’s last long 😂 dude is gonna be washed by 33
"Turns out we were wrong" 😂😂
I love it when Wildes gets all riled up 😂
Kevin Wildes is the most underrated person on sports TV
That pace argument though. No one thought Brady would go 10yrs between rings. Anything can happen.
Mahomes takes the vet minimum and colludes like LeBron 🤷🏻♂️
Trading $200M of salary now for 3 more Super Bowl rings could result in an additional $1B over the next 40 years for him.
Nobody thought Aikman wouldn’t win another after his 3rd.
LeBron didn't win his first championship until the 9th year in the NBA.
@@plagueofjoe Respectfully, pat is way better than Troy lmao.
Pat's won the bowl with mediocre defences. Twice, actually. Troy had top 5 in those SB winning years
@@timocruz510nobody thought Aaron would only have 1 sb anything can happen
5 Superbowls in 10yrs would be F'kg insane...😳
Exactly
Well that would be better than Montana and the Niners at that point.
Everybody counting chickens before they hatch.
@@michaelharrington75 saying something would be insane isn't "counting his chickens" lol 😆 it's saying it would insane.
@@BuddhaMelffyQueenno, but even bringing it up is the insane part. These guys are so eager to crown him that they bring up crazy hypotheticals. How about we let the next 4-5 years play out before saying he’s going to keep winning. There’s also the chance he might lose
Nick wants to use passer rating for Mahomes, but ignores it for Purdy
i’m sorry but this sentiment is apart of the issue. this is a topic about the goat and someone that has the potential to reach goat status in a decade. are you saying purdue is in that conversation?? no i assume not so different conversations have different metrics. everything isn’t black & white, 1 for 1 swaps. let’s use our brain here🙂
@JusCamz stop with the mental gymnastics. Nick wouldn't have any standards without double standards.
@@JusCamzgoalposts being moved. Shocker.
dude yeah ikr. He disregards all of Purdy stats. Nick even said stats and passer rtg isn’t important or tells the full story when comes to Brock but he uses it now to make argument for mahomes. 🤦♂️
@lindavillegas1332 wait... you're saying that you're surprised there are different standards for a debate between 2 of the greatest qbs of all time than one about Mr irrelevant having 1 1/2 good seasons under his belt?
“You spend to much time making your graphics not enough time preparing arguments “ lol
Wildes fanbois don't like that 1 lol
nah nick gagged him on that lmaooo
Remember ried might not be there in 5 years and Kelce might be gone
@josephdunham2628 Kelce is definitely gone in the next 5 yrs lol
@@josephdunham2628 Y’all all said the EXACT same thing when Tyreek left the Chiefs… “let’s see how Mahomes is without his #1 target”, and then he went on to win MVP & the SB the next year lmao.
Andy Reid would obviously be a huge loss, as he’s the offensive mastermind, but think about it like this: Andy Reid is like the music composer of the offense, he creates the framework and directs the performers (those who play the instruments), but at the end of the day the *performers* are who are out there performing. Mahomes is the ultimate performer, as he’s easily the most gifted and talented QB oat. And I strongly believe even after Andy Reid is gone, Mahomes will have developed and retained such a strong framework of experience and wisdom under Andy Reid’s leadership that he’ll be able to remain successful without him (that’s also assuming the Chiefs wouldn’t pick up another elite Offensive mind, which they 100% will).
This was actually the most cogent discussion on how to judge a goat I've seen in any show or podcast. Great work by Brou and Nick
Agree and these comments do not pass the vibe (or IQ) check
Ring culture mostly exists in the NBA. I don't see ring counting in most other sport. But with that said, 7 Super Bowls is an absurd number. Lol. NFL has a 1 and done playoff format and you don't play defence and offence. You play one or the other. So you can be one of the greatest QBs to ever exist, but if you're defence amounts to a bunch of pylons you might never win anything. At least with the NBA you can influence the defensive side and offensive side.
They always do a great job with this topic, making it nuanced and analytical. Then Wildes come in like "hurr durr 7 is more than x". This is why he's a host, not an analyst.
@@kghd2647 most of these comments seem to be on Wildes outlook on the GOAT debate. I’m surprised there’s so many Bill Russell fans following that logic
@@kghd2647that had me rolling in laughter
Wildes blasts these two with humor
Hey Wildes!
I was already tuned in, but when Wildes brought the word "golf" into the convo, I immediately knew something great was coming. Here comes 3
Wildes that was freaking hilarious
As a chiefs fan, I think one of the pieces in the Mahomes goat conversation that doesn’t get mentioned enough is how incredible it is that Brady got better as he got older and he played for SOO long. Part of the reason that Jerry Rice is the GOAT receiver is because he was so good for so long. Mahomes really needs a long career to have a shot at Brady’s title.
Which means he has to stay mobile. Unlikely
Montana was better than Mahomie and Brady.
TB method. avocado ice cream. lots of sleep and stretching. and steroids.
@@willzsportscards You forgot the cheating...besides roids.
I think there's a few things that need mentioned when they consider this topic. For 1 the fact that mahomes is a. In the Era of offensive football so naturally his stats per year + when it's all said and done and totalled should be wildly higher compared to bradys and b. Andy Reid is a top 5 offensive minded coach, so he easily outschemes defenses. Combine that with mahomes mobility and his way of keeping plays alive and allowing kelce to find a soft spot. Brady had bill, who was top 5 defensive minded, but the difference between the two is Reid outschemes defenses regularly combined with mahomes playstyle. Belichiks defenses were usually on the better end but when the time came to make a stop more often then not they didn't. It was on brady to get in fg range or score to ice the game. Plus the fact mahomes was drafted in the 1st round with expectations vs brady drafted last all but and no expectations. It all has to play a part. We saw brady win without gronk. We haven't seen mahomes for a stretch without kelce. Bradys 1st half of how career was in a time when you coulr abuse the qb, mahomes is reigning over an era where you can barely touch the qb. No doubt mahomes trajectory is well in line to eclipse brady. But I think those other things have too add alittle weight to it all.
First Things First > Undisputed
This is a given. Undisputed lost that fight a long time ago.
Undisputed was never even in the fight lmao
Wildes bringing out the graphics so us plebes can comprehend his nuanced analysis 😂
I absolutely love that Bru and Nick came together on this segment
Best Sports show out right now
Ayeeee
Just facts!
It's not. I hate to say it but SPEAK is better. Former plays who actually talk facts and not deal in hypotheticals. NEVA Wright is a clown and knows nothing about sports.
miss u hoang bi
@@2008jeffhardyword 😂
Lmao the Big Ben/ Marino debate was the one
Big ben is pure trashhh. That defense and running game helped him tremendously those superbowl years, and I am a steelers fan, although really don't give a fk about them anymore
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143pure trash lol you sure you’re a Steelers fan ?
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 facts! Exactly why rings doesn’t end the debate. Mahomes can have less than Brady but still be way better! Just like Marino is way better than Ben.
Bro I don't like Pittsburgh AT ALL but you saying Ben was "pure trash" is just insane 😂😂 Maybe if you wanna say overrated but pure trash? Cmon man @arsenioseslpodcast3143
Yet he's 5th all time in passing yards, 8th in tds and 5th in completions.
Wildes talking about a quartback relying on their defense in the playoffs has me weak
His not lying. The defense been carrying the offense this year with all them drop passes and close games.
@@felipenunez2058ok and Brady ?
Another wildly accurate take by Wildes 😂 😂 😂
it’s not really accurate
Hey, Wildes
not really
@@cbee__ 2, 3 and 6 and definitely less than 7 🤷♂️
@@Someone_VIP rings isn’t the only factor in determining greatness buddy
People hate winners. I love winners.
That’s why the Taylor swift hate is so funny to me
Like it’s Tom Brady all over again
@@Renegade-kf8fp100%
Losers hate winners
@@kghd2647mahomes hates brady?
Did you switch from being a Pats fan to a Chiefs fan or something? Or were you a Chiefs fan who rooted for the Pats when they owned the AFC? Kinda a bad look either way
Montana played when football was rougher. Cannot hit the QB now. BAck in the day knocking out QBs was normal.
So his defense could also knock out the opposing QB?
@@jayceh yes, hence him saying why playing qb was harder back then.
@@articdoughnut8531 but winning was not, and that's what Montana is known for
@@jayceh sure but due to him getting knocked out the organization kinda gave a ring he would've won to Young. If he stays healthy odds are he finishes his career with 6 rings instead of 4. Obviously just speculation but then again more or less all of these conversations are based in speculation.
@@dominic.rivera we're forgetting how stacked his team was to
The matthew stafford vs Mahomes argument was a horrible move by Wildes
Is it?
@@SpaceboundJoker lol yes. Brou and nick tore him up on that.
Love watching you guys. The friendship, intelligence and friendly teasing/ballbusting is awesome. Entertaining and engaging.
Surely Purdy beating Mahomes is just literally poetic justice to end the season right ?? And IF that happens Monday morning, maybe the best sports show moment ever .. at least since thw Clippers blewing that 3-1 lead to Denver with Unc and Skip
Better moment: KC wins and we see more comical shenanigans that make everyone laugh out loud
@@raspberry7571 yeah let me guess you’re a bandwagon chiefs fan! Just shut up. Y’all are delusional.
I doubt it, but good luck
Nobody wants Purdy to win except Niners fan and Chiefs haters. People who appreciate greatness is trying to see the birth of a new dynasty
@@KevonDaDon LOL Just stop. People who love great stories want Purdy to win. They see a wholesome kid that is extremely humble. Mahomes could lose this game and he is still the best QB in the NFL BY FAR! Losing this year does not hurt their dynasty chances at all.
I knew Wildes was cooking something up just by how he was making little comments into the middle of the conversation. Acting dumb in a way lol 😂 I love it. Never change Wildes
Brady fans flexing that Rams superbowl is hilarious
The chemistry and banter make this a entertaining show
Montana! He won every Super Bowl he was in! 4-0. Three time Super Bowl mvp. In a league that allowed the quarterback to get hit. Not,like now, when you can’t put a finger near them!
Brady arguably passed Montana as soon as he won his fourth and definitively passed after his fifth. The argument that Montana is 4-0 also means he was only good enough to make it to the Superbowl 4 times.
You mean he only made it to 4 Super Bowls. Meaning he did worse by not getting there.
7-3 > 4-0 any day of the week
"Make me an Old Fashioned", lmao
I love these three guys, and love this show.
I swear these guys are the best.🤣🤣
Brady played 23 years and Mahomes is on his 7th year. Let that sink in.
That should tell you everything we need to know
And plus there was the whole deflate gate thing. There’s no telling how long that was going on….
Mahomes is not playing 23 years though
Do you think that with his style of play Mahomes will play even 15 years?
Brady handed mahomes his first regular season, postseason, and super bowl losses. Let that sink in.
they killed Wildes this segment lol😂
Wildes was told to play devils advocate
@@jplaya2023 oh, hey Wildes
“I made Josh run the numbers again” it’s so funny because it’s grade 1 math 😆 “six is still less than seven” lol
First it was stephen A and Skip, then sportsnation, now you guys take my top spot! Show is hilarious.
Mahomes could be playing for his 4th or 5th this weekend if not for Dee Ford and his O-line getting decimated before the Bucs Super Bowl is the crazy thing.
It’s a team sport
TY 👍 wildes 🎉
When I look at Nick Wright, I always think of Bishop Waleran Bigod from Ken Follett's The Cathedral🤣🤣🤣
I have issues with Nick comparing the PPG allowed by defences from eras with very different scoring but in principle this was a very good discussion on how we should determine greatness.
You could just take the +/- to the avg in the league and it still holds true. Chiefs were above avg and pats were typical well below avg.
Nick definitely said depository. Don't let him gaslight you or the audience Wildes
Calling Out Nick Wright With a TRIPLE Dog Dare to Throw up a Graph of SB Stats Between Mahomes and Montana
I'm a huge Joe Montana fan, but in the playoffs, Mahomes has been even better.
Mahomes 15W-3L
Montana 16W-7L
Mahomes 41 TD passes - 8 interceptions
Montana 45 TD passes - 21 interceptions
Mahomes passer rating - 105.8
Montana passer rating - 95.6
Ring counting in football is legit the worst. It’s the ultimate team sport so no one player gets the credit in football more than any other sport
Apsolutely great show today.😁
Wildes cooking both of them 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not really. His point is weak. Is Bill Russel (11 rings)better than MJ (only6 rings)? Rings aren't the only thing that matter.
Got cooked by both of them* fixed it for you😂
Hey, Wildes
@@dylanroyer7602Brady holds nearly every quarterback record most touchdowns, most yards, most wins, most 4th quarter comebacks, most game winning drives don’t know what more you need from him, he’s the goat
Who would have thought kansas city would be such a topic 10 years ago? Lifelong fan, GOOOOO CHIEFS!!!!!
It’s the 90’s bulls all over again
Thank you Wildes.
This show is great!
mahomes being “way ahead of pace” assumes he plays for over 20 years like brady
People don’t realize this yet, but Mahomes numbers won’t stay high like this, he’s figured out how to play like Brady (ball control/complimentary football) he will win SBs playing this way but he will not break Brady’s numbers. The only question is will he win enough to get to 7 and still have to deal with losing twice to Brady in championships, he ain’t catching him.
@michaelbeltran7414 he lost to him in his 1st and 3rd year. One was in OT where he didn't get ball back after a field goal before the rule was changed. I don't think that's a knock against him.
@@jagboola exactly, he lost to him 2x. object of the game is to win, u win you become champion, you win enough championships, you become the GOAT. You cant really be considered GOAT if there’s a guy out there that has you in rings and beat you h2h twice title games in his forties on his way out. Sorry but PM has zero chance.
@@michaelbeltran7414 bro Peyton Manning has a 3-1 record vs Brady in the AFC Championship he must be the GOAT.
According to Nick if a QB Wins a SB in His 1st Year He is The Projected GOAT With About 12 Rings
5 is enough for me.
I love how wildes put his glasses on to read 6
Nick has a lot of logic with his takes, even when you don’t agree his arguments are generally sound.
Let’s get 5 first Nick.. 😅
Wildes is the glue.
Hey, Wildes
Wildes keeps this show goin 😂😂😂
The chemistry is perfect
Beautiful jazz and Will Farrel with a cow bell for sure!
ppg game in the playoffs is the most obscure stat to judge the defense. That can be as little as 3 games worth. Not a very high sample size
Its just a statistical way to show that the chiefs defense in mahomes first 5 years was never as good as the pats worst defenses were during their runs, which is true regardless of how you try to show it
@@dab4587Exactly!
@@dab4587stats are hard for a lot of people 😂
It still shows how good your defense performed.. this isn’t basketball.. the qb doesn’t go defend for his team.. if as a qb I only have to put up 21 points vs 26 that’s a big difference that’s an entire touch down or 2 fg..
@dab4587 they should show for the whole season, my point is its very misleading since the chiefs n 49ers were like 2 n 3 through out the regular season in points allowed but for this very small stretch in the playoffs the niners have allowed way more points then they did the regular season. it's cherry picked data
Nick 100% called how this show was gonna go lmao I love this show
Chris Wildes is a national treasure 😂😂😂
I also don’t feel that he would need 7 to be in the goat convo. He has done a lot of things so far that have proven him to be one of the greats. There were plenty of amazing qbs that have never gotten one, but that doesn’t mean you take away how great they were just because they never got a ring.
Dan Marino is considered the greatest pure passer to ever play the game of football and didn't win a single ring. Just for example.
Much love to the Chiefs
Yes
I went to the opening night. There were probably 2:3 or more SF fans in the building
Just a friendly reminder that "Never a Doubt" was regarding the Chiefs going 20-0 this season, and not for the Chiefs to simply make the super bowl.
Killing you the Chiefs made it back to the Superbowl isn't it kid...😂
Raider fans? I thought they were having trouble getting home fans in that stadium since they moved from Oakland?
Why people hate the chiefs: They are dominant. People are just getting over the Pats dynasty and would kind of like to see NFL parity. They are (Kelce mostly) everywhere on a media blitzkrieg (SNL, commercials, Taylor Swift). It’s a little how people felt about Liz Taylor in the 60s. Too much. That being said, they are an incredible football team.
Just forward through when Nick talks
Brady is the goat. In 15 years we will reavaluate Mahomes to see if he surpasses Tom
Truth. And I'm a KC fan. And no matter where Mahomes ends up with rings and stats, the fact that Brady beat him in a conference championship and a Super Bowl will always weigh in his favor.
Great mental gymnastics by our little Nick
Wrong, he used facts. Brady’s ridiculous defenses, cheating, game manager stuff is a real thing. Mahomes is a better QB and so are some others. Sorry, facts.
He could possibly get 10 rings at this pace
Watching this show makes me smile n laugh n have so many mix feelings. I mean the other ones like speak 🗣️ and Stephen A etc, they do the same but this just hits more at home.
Let’s go chiefs!!!!! 49 makes me really nervous
"Passer rating rewards you for efficiency"
- Nick Wrong
"You're just bringing up useless stats about him"
- also Nick Wrong when Brou brought up Purdy's passer rating
most embarrassing person on a sports show, even more than Joy
While Nick does take the Purdy doubt to a high level, his take was consistent in the Goat debate. Purdy has the stats, but no jewelry and certainly doesn’t match the eye test of the All Time Greats he’s being compared to. Of course statistically he’s been great so far, but Nick personally believes Purdy lacks the eye tests and thus won’t get the hardware (we’ll see about that this weekend)
@@kalvin. that is strawmanning and doesn't change a thing. he brings it up when he thinks it benefits his argument butcries instantly when it exposes him
@@bepohal when has he said “you’re bringing up useless stats”? He says the stats can’t be your only reason to say someone is great.
Regardless, this conversation was not about Purdy and so his debate strategy does not even have to be the same between the two different takes. Nothing about what I said is a straw man. From what Nick and Brou have said, to measure a player’s greatness, whether a 2 year player or the goat, you have to take into consideration their statistics, accomplishments, and eye test of talent/ability. Purdy passes the stats with flying colors, and eye test wise he’s certainly not a bad qb by any means. He lacks the accomplishments of the players he’s compared to, and the debate of the show lies where they decide he ranks as far as eye test goes, encapsulated in the argument of picking him or Justin Herbert, whether you’re SF or LAC.
Regardless, most of the debate flaws in this show I attribute to the limited time they have and keeping ratings in mind, and it’s a debate about a game played by guys who dress up, so I’m not gonna cry that someone is at least trying to defend their points cogently beyond “3
That was the most objective discussion about Tom that I've ever heard...right up until Wilds put that graphic up, which was hilarious. We crunched the numbers 😂
How is it the most objective when it was filled with FALSE information. Brou said brady was not a probowler during his first three superbowls while in fact he was a probowler TWO times
Not a Chiefs fan or Patriots/Bucs but facts are facts, Mahomes pace is blistering and we've never seen anything like it, like him or not, he's at least on Brady's level and many could argue even a notch above and he's only just begun in comparison to Brady's lengthy career. Just the eye test confirms Mahomes is more dangerous forget about his accolades that are unarguable.
Me when I can’t hear someone.
“I got it perfectly”
Now Nick NEVER Wright is hating on Joe Montana?? OMG!!
He’s right on almost every take..
@@LegacyFlash15you really believe this don't you
Ask Nick to Throw up a Graph of SB Stats Between Mahomes and Montana.....Lets See How That Looks
@@jackwoods9604 he couldn't because it would show he's Never Wright again! You know why he hates on Purdy, he campaigned for Trey "No Chance" to be the starter and Purdy proved him wrong all season!
I love this sports show
"Lay back in tha cut"-Wildes💯
If anything Mahomes winning like this elevates his legacy. He's not a one trick pony only winning with stacked offense. To relegate himself to "game manager" and still win is awesome imo.
He has a stacked offense this year - GOATish TE, Rice, Pacheco, great O line. Just still missing Tyreek. The difference is he has the best defense in the NFL this year.
Brady wins with terrible offenses much worse then this years Chiefs oh it’s all the defense and Belichick
Mahomes dink and dunks gm manages while his defense carry’s him the media he can win so many different ways it’s amazing
Brady hate is crazy
Wildes is the best part of this show. Then Brou.
7:21 Here comes Wildes, just clanging on that cow bell!
Nick's repertoire keeps growing: If, Could've, Should've, Would've... And now we've got to throw in "On pace". This man is the biggest Chiefs Fanboy. I think Nick Wright is the biggest reason for wanting the Chiefs to lose.
You must be depressed because all KC has done is win since Mahomes arrived. Nothing less than the AFC championship every year he’s been starting. Sounds like Nick has been correct. 🤷🏻♂️
@@shawnchristianson324 I recognise that what Andy Reid and Mahomes and Co. are doing is phenomenal, but that doesn't conceal the fact that Nauseating Nick is just that, Nauseating Nick. I usually go with the NFC team, except a couple of years ago, when I wanted Burrow and the Bengals to win it.
Can someone tell nick that comparing the offense of bradys teams in a defensive era with a defensive coach against mahomes in a passing Era with an offensive coach who uses short passes and screens to boost passes rating etc
Mahomes needs 5 rings to even be in the conversation for the GOAT. Anything below that is absurd. You can’t be the GOAT if you aren’t one of the most dominant QBs in league history.
Define dominant? Was Dan Marino not dominant? Is SB rings the ONLY deciding factor? If so, Charles Haley is the greatest defensive player of all time.
Well Mahomes' dominance isn't at issue. I'd say the biggest issue is that we watched Brady 1) dominate and 2) win with different coaching, different supporting casts, and different levels of talent around him. Mahomes has only done one of those things.
@@ckmoore101 Dominant as in you win a lot for an extended period of time. If Mahomes gets 5 rings that’s not enough to automatically be the GOAT, he would have to dominate Brady in career statistics by a significant margin to be the GOAT.
What if Mahomes ends his career with 5 SBs and 5 MVPs compared to Brady’s 7 SBs and 3 MVPs
@@the_cogito5170 No dominance IS an issue. I feel like people don’t have enough perspective here. The GOAT isnt just the best player in the league, he’s the best player of ALL time. He’s been dominant enough to be the best QB currently playing but he needs a far longer resume of wins to be a candidate for the best QB ever. If you think Mahomes will one day be that dominant then fine, but he has not gotten there yet.
Why does no one bring up the head to head argument? the playoff head to head
Why do you not show the clips? I would like to know what these people said.
Old Brady beat Mahomes in the playoffs . If Mahomes had to deal with a prime Belichick and Brady he wouldn’t have any rings.
Prime Brady lost to Eli twice, once with Randy Moss 😢.. Prime Brady and Bill also lost to NICK FOLES 🚮🚮… yea I think chiefs could’ve handled them in their prime 😭
@dpistons149, Good joke. Mahomes and Chiefs beat Brady and Bellichik in regular season. Don't forget that. It's not like Brady and Bellichik won every game.
Joe Burrow also beat him
WELL SAID !!!!!!!!
Prime Brady and Bill were great cheaters 🤭
The almost matter-of-fact retort in these debates that Brady isn’t as talented as some of the other legends (Manning, Mahomes, Rodgers) is wrong.
He’s almost 6’5, extremely accurate, had a very strong arm (not quite Mahomes, but still very strong with great zip) incredible pocket awareness, and was a great pre and post-snap processor. Is “talent” just arm strength and speed?
How about the psychological talent to be so competitive that you win 7 SBs over 20-odd years with 2 different teams (officially - unofficially, it's debatable how many teams he played with - 5? 6? 7?), several of them at the END of that career. That's a rather unique trait that I seriously doubt Mahomes will ever begin to approach matching.
Facts. And that’s exactly
The problem with people who criticize Purdy. Talent goes beyond just arm strength
Those highest points allowed can be caused by bad QB turnarounds etc. so it's too simplistic to say the qd doesn't influence the other side of the field... . They certainly do ....
Similarly a great defense will.give the offense more opportunities and better field positions
Mahomes gets the least turnovers per game among QBs with 10+ playoff starts, so that only makes his defense look worse because he doesn’t put them in bad field positions.
Montana is the best. Montana's Super Bowl Stats. 4-0, Passer rating average 127! 11 Touchdowns, No picks, and 1,142. Montana was best in the big games. Plus QBS were not protected as much. You could hit them hard.
Jerry rice tax
Well I guess if you only count Superbowls as big games and not conference championships or other playoff games, then yeah sure. Montana was only able to help his teams reach the Superbowl four times. . . Brady did it ten times.