How Can Mormons Address Doubts About The LDS Church History?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- How do Latter-Day Saints maintain their faith when faced with challenging perspectives on church history, and church authorities? Is there a church cover up going on? Are we inadvertently accepting falsehoods that diminish our enthusiasm for the gospel? Join me for a book review and exploration of these questions, drawing insights from "Faith Crisis Volume 1.
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I encourage everyone to read the faith-promoting books by @JosephSmithFoundation and understand just how our church history is being rewritten with false information.
Let’s put an end to the faith crisis.
The history of the church is not being rewritten with false information. The church was the one spreading misinformation, but they got caught. Go read your gospel topics essays, sanctioned by the church. Like the Book of Abraham one, where it flat out admits that the papyri did not contain the translation Joseph claimed it did. Or, go look at the Joseph Smith papers and realize that Joseph was arrested for being a disorderly person (His money digging practices were illegal.) and notice that he received some form of guilty verdict. Go read the multiple versions of the first vision, where God may or may not have been there, and gave different conflicting messages. The difference between now and back then is the access to the information, which allows people to be better informed on the matters of the church, including when the church is lying.
Open your eyes
In what way do you mean that?
Friend. You are rewriting history. Leonard Arrington is mostly universally loved. To call him an AntiChrist you lost me and lost all credibility. You can disagree with someone but to pass a judgment like this is really disgusting.
“Universally loved” does not mean what he did wasn’t evil. His popularity amounts to nothing in light of the facts.
Read the book and enlighten yourself.
@@KingsIPodcast Arrington, better than almost anyone, KNEW/FOUND OUT ABOUT, THE TRUTHS AND FACTS ABOUT LDS HISTORY. Joseph Fielding Smith, when he discovered The 1832 First Version of The First Vision RIPPED IT OUT OF JOSEPH SMITH'S LETTERBOOK AND HID IT IN THE VAULT FOR 40+ years.
Just keep going with this concept. You’ll never find your faith strengthened. You’ll never find your heart opened to greater glorious. You’ll always find yourself jaded by a lie that you wholeheartedly embrace.
@@KingsIPodcast The Lie I Embraced was indoctrinated into me after being born into The Church. I was misled on a lot of history for over 50 years. Your are a young kid with how much life experience? You know NOTHING about the way The Church was pre 2010. You and Hannah Stoddard…perfect team. You don’t even realize you are denying what The Church finally started to admit just barely a decade ago.
You’re obviously filled with hurt and bought the lie that Arrington wanted you to believe. See where it got you…
I think the LDS church is an amazing church to study. It is unique to American in origins. The history is very rich. Mormons have an important part in Utah history and its quest for statehood.
I do not like critics who call The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) a cult. It does not even fit the criteria for a cult. It is however a high demand religion. It is a Christian church.
The leadership is also great. I enjoy reading General Conference talks for their insight into such issues like faith, covenants, eternal progression, etc.
The critics are misplacing their anger on the culture of the church with focusing that anger on the actual church.
As for Rough Stone Rolling, it is written by a church member. I liked it because it shows Joseph Smith in his human element. I know bishops who recommend the book to members. Deseret Books still sells the book.
I have no qualms with honest history. If rough stone rolling were honest then I’d appreciate properly.
I think the honest history of Joseph Smith, untarnished, and without covering up things, is good enough. He’s not perfect.
I talk more specifics around the dishonest of that book in the next episode reviewing book 2
You use the word "intellectuals" like it is a bad thing. I have more faith in the thoughts of a group of intellectuals than a young boy hunting for treasures. Or the beliefs based on a tingle in the body. Fact: I got a tingle in my body for 2 years and turned out to be a neurological condition. Thank goodness I didn't create a religion based on that.
This is extremely laughable. I enjoy your straw men. Please, give me more.
I would much prefer trusting a treasure hunter than an intellectual. The intellectuals are constantly being proven wrong as new discoveries are made. Joseph Smith found the greatest "Treasure" out there. Even by worldly standards, the "Hedge Fund" is up over $250 Billion. (the last sentence is tongue in cheek, the first one totally serious)
@@jefferydraper5987 A moneydigger who never found anything???
So are you trying to talk about him finding the book of Mormon by Angel of God or his job he was hired for looking for money that he took the time to tell his employer to give up the hunt because it was a waste ?
@@krismurphy7711 Others of your ilk complain that the hedge fund has $250 Billion in investments plus the real estate, 17 Million + in members. We are the beneficiaries. You probably live paycheck to paycheck with no ability to play or even see the long game. As Einstein would put it "You have a problem for every solution"
I happened upon your channel today and am glad I did. I'm on my way to the temple for the first time and I find that I am constantly being bombarded with, "Your church is a cult, or it's all fake, they did this or they did that". I try to stay away from channels that try to discredit the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because as you said, I start to question my own testimony. The ones I did watch were full of lies. All one has to do is read the Book of Mormon and they would realize it is of God. It doesn't contradict the bible and only teaches about Jesus and how to be more like him. I'm thankful that someone is delving into the history of our church, so we can set people straight!
So glad we could give you content that is reaffirming to your testimony and faith promoting. You’re right, just read the book of Mormon and by the Holy Ghost you will know that it is true. And even more, so the history of the churches is very glorious and wonderful. We don’t need to embrace lies or do anything to diminish our fire for the Lord’s kingdom.
I get it! Convert here…. That’s why our testimony is most important
Kings & I Podcast = If I don't like it, it's simply not true.
Sounds like you don’t like the video, so you believe it’s not true.
You can ignore the factual events that took place. Or just read the book and educate yourself. It’s cheap and easy to do.
There is a CZcams channel that interviews LDS members who left and later came back to the church.
Please share.
@@KingsIPodcast It's called the "Come Back Podcast".
Thanks, we will check it out.
Arrington was a Truth Sayer/Writer/Speaker. TRUTH trumps "testimony."
The facts are extremely against your statement. Read this book and educate yourself.
@@KingsIPodcast “extremely against”…??? Truth and Facts do not Trump Testimony?
Other than faith based protests, do YOU have any facts to dispute HIS FACTS???
You obviously didn’t listen to anything in the video and once again, I highly recommend you educate yourself by reading the book.
There are a ton of facts that help you pull your head out of the sand regarding this man.
@@KingsIPodcast Hannah Stoddard is a BIASED SOURCE. Just as biased as she claims ALL non-faith promoting sources of info are incorrect and evil. If you are basing your faith on Hannah Stoddard and her crazy deceased father, you are basing it on a foundation of radical faith only based sources.
If you did even a fraction of the actual studies she has or even I have and were receptive to the Holy Ghost, you would start understanding the truth more clearly
ALL you are “offering” is faith, even when facts prove otherwise. And let’s be specific….NOT faith in Christ but faith in Joseph Smith.
Quite the opposite, I encourage people to hold onto the faith and do study that way they can learn the truth
For example, instead of just being filled with doubt because people make up ideas or literally reinterpret church history using sources that are not credible,lean more upon the testimony that you have and if you eventually get around to it, maybe you’ll read this book or do other studies to discover the lies and manipulations to history. Then you’ll be glad you did not have been in your faith or diminish your faith because of someone who was purposely trying to harm your faith.
@@KingsIPodcast Arrington was The Church HISTORIAN....called to that position by Revelation? Kept in that position by direction from The Lord??? his "problem" was contradicting Church Narratives....letting the FULL, ENTIRE TRUTHS and FACTS come out. He aired the "dirty laundry." Sorry your Faith is shaken by The Truth.
Ive not heard of that job as a calling that is revelatory. It is a paid position for within the church business organization. Let’s be careful not to turn religious those very things that are purely business.
@@KingsIPodcast Fine....but if you use "The Hannah Stoddard/Stoddard Family Standard" YOU HAVE TO THROW OUT ANY AND ALL SOURCES WHICH ARE NOT FAITH PROMOTING. If you don't like the Story, Affidavit, Book, What The Church Says.......THROW IT OUT!!! That is not following ...."The Glory of God is Intelligence"
If you rely on sources that are clearly pure, slander and defamatory and not even remotely credible (imagine someone didn’t like you and 30 years later they make up a terrible story about you and that story doesn’t line up whatsoever with hundreds even thousands of other sources that tell a paint a different picture- what do you do? How credible is it? Are there ulterior motives for their story?)
Luckily, you’re not a prophet and not required to do the hard things that proper has to do, therefore your detractors, and your enemies will never be anywhere near as vicious nor pernicious nor ongoing decade after decade century after century.
When you study what Joseph Smith said about polygamy while alive, on record, and are then told to believe the narrative pushed by Brigham and the modern church, then yes, Joseph would be considered one of the greatest liars in religious history, along with his brother Hyrum. Or... we can believe what they taught while alive and on record and realize they were better men. There are over two dozen records of the day (while alive) where polygamy and spiritual wifery were condemned.
Can you get more specific with your criticisms of rough stone rolling? All of this seems quite vague compared the depth the book goes into. Have you looked at the original sources? Can you compile a list of the sources that you say are lies and the many sources you say contradict them?
I’d love to give you a more specific video critique of Rough Stone Rolling. I’ll have to do that in the near future, because there are specific criticisms. Some of those specific criticisms will come up in the next video when I review volume two of these books.
@@KingsIPodcastI’d be curious to see some real arguments. To me you don’t come across as objective and open minded. I wonder if you are guilty of what you accuse the “intellectuals” of. Accepting anything that proves your conclusions correct and ignoring the rest.
I don’t think it’s possible to get entirely away from that as any human being
but the information found this book was quite transformative because I’ve spent my entire life consuming the falsities given by progressive intellectuals from Church history department. So to see this information come out and illuminate to me the deception it was a enlightening. It seemed to line up with what I have understood about the true gloriousness of Church history.
If you don’t know, then you don’t know. But when you do, you know, it’s fascinating to learn.
I could’ve read many many more passages in the book, but I also didn’t want to get in trouble for reading too much from someone’s own work and I wasn’t sure if that would be conducive my current video format.
The Church is the one who NEVER discussed Joseph Smith's moneydigging....OR The Rock in a Hat translation method....OR that he married Young Girls....on and on and on .
This is why I made this video. Because people like you have come to believe these lies because of Arrington-ites like who published Rough Stone Rolling and other dishonest works.
I encourage you to read this book and its second volume and you’ll realize you’ve been lied to.
@@KingsIPodcast See above about the lunatic Stoddard Dad & Daughter team.
@@KingsIPodcastdo you acknowledge Joseph Smith possessed seer stones throughout his life?
Why do you leave out that Church Leaders respond and ACCEPT "The White Salamander Letter"??? Speak of it in Conference.
How about you read the book. Yes the church leaders relied upon individuals. Who had Alteria motors to verify the documents are real. It’s unfortunate. They were lied to. But it does look really good on the church. The fact that they want to embrace openly any factual things.
It’s just too unfortunate that so often the evidences that promote these tangent dark narratives on church leaders and history are believed and accepted when they are false
@@KingsIPodcast we don’t want to pay for or support a whack book. My issue is not whether church leaders were lied to or not but there is a clear pattern of lack of discernment among leadership all the way down and up the chain for as long as the church has existed. Basically no one speaks for or hears god and that is why humans continue to make poor judgments.
@@KingsIPodcast THE FBI VERIFIED THE DOCUMENTS. Everyone said they were legit UNTIL Throckmorton's Work. The Issue is HOW COULD THE PROPHET, COUNSELORS, Q12 and 70 BE DECEIVED??? Power of Discernment? Jesus runs The Church, but let this pass???
It’s an interesting observation and I think it lacks insight. If you manage a giant church with a public image and you sense something is not right but all evidences say otherwise and it’s super public, how do you approach that? You do want to remain transparent and open, and don’t want to make it seem like you’re panicking.
It’s so easy to judge and assume.
But if you read the books you’ll learn that Elder McConkie called it out in Conference and prophesied that the whole thing would prove wrong.
@@KingsIPodcast You are wrong. McConkie DIED the week before The Church released The Letter. HAHAHA
The Church is true. God confirms that so no story can persuade otherwise when God answers our prayers.
Amen
Maybe you WANTED it to be TRUE so much that you weren't listening to God's answer (that it wasn't); and only heard what you wanted to hear... Maybe someone in the next life responded with answers that you'd accept, that you WANTED to hear, someone that had no qualms about lying, speaking for "God"... A Simon and Garfunkle song says: "Man hears what he WANTS to hear and disregards the rest"...
Very true we often are only capable of hearing what we want to hear until we humble ourselves enough to listen to the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost, I know it’s true. It takes humility and honesty in our hearts to receive that answer.
Sorry folks, When you know you know and I know. I have had my own road to Damascus experience. And initially I tried to ignore it, fight it, but God would not let me find happiness with out Jesus. I found comfort studying with born again Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses who at different times were answers to my prayers and I think I met some great people. But ultimately I found the strength to fully give my life to God. And He has not disappointed with over 40 years of undeniable personal revelations. Yes that road to Damascus changed my life I prayed to find the true church and devote my life to Jesus and He answered. Nobody can take that away. You don't know what you don't know.
@@thomasbroderick9101 You said, "I have had my own road to Damascus experience." Is there "a road to Damascus" in the BoM?...
And, "God would not let me find happiness with out Jesus"... A little insight: The Jesus of the BIBLE is NOT the same as the "Jesus" of the BoM+...
The BIBLE assures over and over that there is only ONE God (Ex20:3, Deut6:4, 2Kings19:15&19, Isa44:6&8&24, 45:5&6&21&22, 46:9&10, 48:12&13, Joel2:27, Zech14:9, Mark12:29, John5:44, James2:19, Rev1:8&17&18, 21:6)... In a first vision account in the BoM+, JSJ claimed to have seen TWO "Gods"... By choosing to believe the BoM+, you choose to believe the BIBLE gives false witness... gives it over and over...
The "Jesus" from the BoM+ (D&C132:24) threatens to DESTROY those who won't submit to polygamy (D&C132:54&64)... The Jesus from the BIBLE, assures He didn't come to destroy ppl's lives, but to SAVE them (Luke9:56)...
By choosing to believe the BoM+, you've chosen to believe you need a prophet, and can't trust what you read for yourself in the BIBLE... Malachi3:6 of the Bible says, "For I am the LORD, I do not change, therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob." Hebrews13:8, emphasizes that same point, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.” IOW, why have a prophet when you can go to your Bible, and read from it yourself the answer to the question: What would Jesus do?
Impossible to claim belief in both books: the Bible and BoM+... especially with JSJ's account of the first vision. The books give different/irreconcilable messages.
You're convinced that "you know what you know" and are no longer open to instruction/guidance from a source that would tell you otherwise... I'm sure the Bible keeps knocking, but you won't open the door to parts that disagree with what you've decided you know better than... Please stay open and HEAR the counsel that Jesus gives through it (the Bible)...
All churches lie
Interesting opinion.
Moroni had a thing or two to say about the religious climate of our day: "36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts."
We love the LDS church. I think we all must remember that our church’s have done some disturbing things in the past. Even the Anglican Church.
This video isn’t to say mistakes have not been made in the past. This is to point out some very pernicious lies that create trials of faith, when the factual events can be trials enough.
@@KingsIPodcast WHAT "MISTAKES"???? moneydigging? Marrying young girls? Bank Fraud? Land Speculation and Profiteering? False prophecies?
Keep going I enjoy this spotting off of strawman arguments. There’s so much wrong with everything you said, and you know it you don’t care.
@@KingsIPodcast What "mistakes"????????????????
It’s hard to handle strawman arguments as they come out so quickly and so naturally to some.
Joseph Smith was a man above reproach. I stand by that, no matter how much you revel in false accusations.
Arrington is so proud of his accomplishments in individuals like you.
This is I gigantic, nothing burger ad hom video.
because you already knew all this? (If so, I applaud you.)