Google ''Book of Abraham pt 6 (LDS critics lied to you) youtube'', see the video from the 30:35 to the 30:45 min mark. This is a demonstration that Joseph Smith translates back to what it was supposed to mean originally. Proper interpretation, in other words. This ALONE debunks your anti-Book of Abraham video. As your anti-Book of Abraham video is based on that the translation from Joseph Smith was supposed to concur with that of the Egyptologists. Actually you'd have to be pretty seriously stupid to have actually have believed that. That video from the 30:35 to the 30:45 min mark demonstrates the proper way to have interpreted.
@John Sluder You know the Trinity is no where found in the Bible, we believe in the Biblical Godhead. Romans 1:20 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse: The Godhead is in the Bible, the Trinity is NOT. Baptizing the dead. 1 Peter 4:6 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. Once the great apostasy occurred and God omitted the priesthood keys no baptisms were performed by the authority of God so they didn't count. John the Revelator was in exile receiving the word of God while Linus was assumed president. If Linus was the authorised president and possessed apostolic power the word of God would of been revealed through Linus. Since John was the only one with the priesthood still alive, when he died in exile the priesthood was gone from the earth. That's why the last scripture in the Bible was recorded by John. All those unauthorised baptisms are performed so the dead can be released from spirit prison and Christ and his angels preach the gospel to the dead.
@@danielmoore4024 My friend , How can you teach the Gospel to a person that is physically dead ? You can't. Peter is talking about People that are Spiritually Dead. You have to understand where Peter was coming from. He's talking about the Jews who denied that Yeshua was the Messiah They are dead in Spirit
I loved the Family values I grew up with LDS, but I've accepted that for 200 years we've been living a fraud. I'm gonna get baptized in a Local Lutheran Church ⛪️ 🙏
NO OFFENSE to Latter Day Saints. We are not enemies. I have someone close to me who is a LDS The book of mormon originated from an angel, right? Whether or not Joseph Smith said the truth, Galatians 1:8-9 is clear that anything that comes from angel or any man, cannot be trusted. THE BOOK OF MORMON'S COVER DID SAY "ANOTHER TESTAMENT" when the Bible is only the 66 books from Genesis to Revelation. Its impossible for God to have multiple truths. It's impossible. We can't believe in the book of mormon and the Bible at the same time. And btw, the Bible was already done waaay before Joseph Smith was born Proverbs 30:5-6 (King James Version) 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Joseph Smith said "Take away the book of Mormon and where is our religion? We have none" And btw, about what we are called, The book of MORMON. Latter Day Saints are called "mormons". That's the name of an angel. While Christians, it came from the name CHRIST. Which is Jesus Christ. God the Son, the world's Savior, the image of God The Father, etc. Christians are the followers of Christ. We are saved by grace through faith. Not by works, it's a free gift of God. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS. EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. THE BIBLE APPLIES TO EVERYONE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN. And again, no offense to the latter day saints. We are not enemies. God said that we should love one another
This still doesn't make sense. I'm not a Mormon, but I'm inter-denominational. My theory, is that it's speaking about the Gospels and books of the New Testament. How would another book be contrary unless it directly modifies the Gospels of Christ. The Gospels in the NT are the same ones Mormons follow. And even if you're right, doesn't that mean we should all go back to being Jewish by practice? Since everything past Deuteronomy is changing the words? Deuteronomy 4:2 (NRSV) You must neither add anything to what I command you nor take away anything from it, but keep the commandments of the Lord your God with which I am charging you. Deuteronomy 12:32 (NRSV) You must diligently observe everything that I command you; do not add to it or take anything from it. Proverbs 30:5-6 (NRSV) Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or else he will rebuke you, and you will be found a liar. Ecclesiastes 3:14 (NRSV) I know that whatever God does endures forever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; God has done this, so that all should stand in awe before him. Galatians 1:8 (NRSV) But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed! Revelation 1:10-11 (NRSV) I was in the spirit[a] on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet Revelation 22:18-19 (NRSV) I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book; if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
@@knightlykin1499 Actually, your assertion is incorrect that, "The Gospels in the NT are the same ones Mormons follow" The LDS Gospel is completely different from the Biblical gospel. So, they cannot both be right. Christians are going to stick with the eyewitness testimony of those that walked with Jesus rather than a young man in the 18oo's that had a subjective experience that no one can verify.
If the book of Mormon was true, and Jesus had actually come and preached to the natives, then wouldn't the natives had have those stories about Jesus taught to their children and passed down from generation to generation?
@@HIMYMTR , Why would Christ only be exclusive to the Jewish Nation? He, wouldn't be at all. Even if I or any showed proof? You would deny the truthfulness of it anyway. Because the book of Mormon says you don't think , you need anymore Bible. Found in 2 Nephi 29. Obviously it's His Gospel, His books. And, He can have as many books as he desires to have. John 21:25
Smith referred to the "Book of Mormon" as "the most correct book of any on earth". Considering that thousands of changes have been made to the book in the last ~200 years, including even its title, maybe it should be called "the most corrected book of any on Earth". That might be more truthful.
Except, the "thousands of changes" are punctuation points, commas and chapters added in. The original manuscript didn't have any of that. The church has made a very strong effort in keeping historical records of all this. If you add those as "changes" you also have an issue with the bible, whose original manuscripts, while in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, still didn't have either, the chapter division we now know and love, or any kind of punctuation, since those ancient languages didn't have it. So, when you read the comments of some anti-mormon claiming the thousands of changes the book went through, try to zoom in a little closer. Not all of it, but plenty of criticism against the religion can be easily debunked that way.
@@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 sure! This kind of shallow criticism is often leveyed at the Bible, and is rather silly. However, every other point in this video is spot on. Mormons are often good, God-fearing, and zealous people- you should join the Catholic faith, and accept the fullness of the truth.
@@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 copyist errors and punctuation are not the problem and as you pointed out they are also found among biblical transcripts as well. The difference between the two is something that may or may not have crossed your mind and while it may not sound like much but, when you research the difference between methods of transmission and actually understand them, it makes a huge difference. The four standard works of the LDS church and things like the Quran are what are called controlled text, meaning the Church or religious leaders completely controlled what was saved or taught. This would absolutely make it difficult to notice if someone made changes. The Bible, on the other hand, is what is considered a free transmission of text which means that it was copied and spread so quickly and so far that if someone made a change we would see it in the about 6000 manuscripts that have been found.
@@Fred-mp1vf In the original version of the text, Joe had the typical trinitarian view of God. In later versions, as Joe's view changed, it becomes the current 3 separate and independent version. There are places in the original version where the god-head is referred to in the singular, he, but in later versions it is replaced by the plural, they. There are podcasts on the inconsistencies. You should listen to them. There is also the issue regarding punctuation. In the original manuscript there was none. The BOM has been referred to as the world's longest run-on sentence. The punctuation was supplied by the printer. Punctuation can greatly alter the meaning of sentences. So was the publisher inspired by god?
@John Coppers I'm sure there's some of those. I'll agree. But just like anything else, you have some on the other side of the fence. I will say that I find happier Mormons than I do Jehovah's witnesses...
@John Coppers it's that wierd psychological thing..like when women fall in love with a serial killer or like you know, that Jim Jones, David Koresh thing. That charismatic thing. Some woman probably learn about joe Smith and say "I'd be his best wife". Feel competitive maybe, and fall for him. It's really screwed up. Especially the beliefs they have. Like wow..."Kolob?"
@John Coppers I hear what you're saying. I always found the mormon religion fascinating not because I believe it..its actually all bull crap. But just the idea that people believe it. That alone is so mind boggling. It's so wierd. Such a far cry from the New Testament. To have the balls to say their book is another testament of Jesus blows my mind. In fact one time I was given a book of mormon...I felt so dirty. i threw it in a dumpster as soon as I could.
I am currently dating a Mormon girl and come from a Christian background. I have struggled with the Mormon ideas and religion as a whole through talking to Mormons about it and talking to my father who has fairly well studied the Bible. This video has sort of further opened my eyes and is encouraging me to dive into the scripture and understand it more. Thank you! And this video is very well out and your arguments are backed by counter arguments and still proven by you. Very well put together. I applaud you
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) you tube'', then view video #2 Egyptologists back Smith. Two videos debunking the Egyptologists by presenting proper interpretation. Proper interpretation is Joseph Smith translated in reverse back to a biblical text, the original. I have informed the above dishonest Jordan Cooper of this I have just typed. Jordan Cooper, just like all of the other anti-Mormons, just ignores it.
To accept the supposed bahai dispensation, one must first accept that Mohammed is actually a dispensation that came from God and is better than Jesus' dispensation.
Galatians 1:8-9 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Joseph Smith debunked.
"And I saw another angel..." who preached the same Gospel. BTW - If you want to give a credible Bible critique at least learn the names of the Books. It's "Revelation" -- singular.
David the Prince This is simply an attempt of the Biblical Fraud Christians to claim a monopoly on the writings of prophets and apostles. They use this passage by Paul as if they are Paul, or as if they are the Galation Saints. But they are neither, and their message is not Paul’s message nor is it like anything the apostles ever preached.
@@berkeyfamily9828 Actually it is the same message, and Peter even writes about how Paul's writings are so advanced that they are difficult to understand. Especially for the spiritually bankrupt.
The strangest part to me about mormonism is the emphasis on proper "translation" when we actually have the Greek and Hebrew scriptures. I've read verses to mormon missionaries in Greek with my interlinear Bible and they were a bit dumbfounded. What they're really trying to argue for is transcription, not translation. In which case why the need for extra revelation? Why not just a recovery of the original texts if what's been preserved for thousands of years is "flawed"?
@Studio ALA Thanks, but they were more rhetorical questions meant to point out the errors in the LDS teachings. :) I'm a born-again Christian. I like learning about Mormonism from an academic perspective, but I will in no way embrace the faith.
@@jessicaottis6127 I love studying the evolution of mainstream Evangelical Christianity from a faith promoting perspective and will take the good from it as it all brings you closer to Christ
@@ChristisLord2023 Not the trinitarian one that Tertualian propagated and then the councils refined in the 4th century. That’s almost three generations after the death of the last apostle. It’s very clear from the Greek philosopher Plato that “trinitas” eventually creeped into Christian theology through Greek mythology.
@@mormonguru5984 what you don't understand, only the bible can show you, God won't share His glory with Joseph Smith so you'll need to separate his teaching from the Word of God found in the scripture of the Bible. I pray that you will find the truth.
You know what's interesting? You cannot find a single Mormon video sponsored by the Mormon church that has any contrary comments. They simply won't post them. If you do leave a post, you will see it under your own account, but if you have a friend log in and go to the same video link, your comment will not be visible. What are they afraid of? This is, of course, a rhetorical question: They are afraid of the truth. Now that we are living in the information age and can now find definitive proof--with a few mouse clicks--that none of the Book of Mormon events actually happened, the Mormon church has kicked their propaganda machine into high gear. I wonder if it is having any impact.
David King I’m Catholic and my dad is Mormon. He never provides any truth from the Bible, he quotes from the Book of Mormon. If people want to believe what they want that’s okay but I think it just makes them ignorant.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints channel will flush out all sinful comments, we know the enemy, we know you only come along to mislead and cause trouble.
@@Forestgump12able "Iur Lord and Savior said, let the dead bury the dead, about what others said of John the Baptist." I'm not sure why you posted Matthew 8:22 so maybe you could help me understand what you're trying to say. Also, what does this verse say to you?
If Mormons believed in the Bible, they would believe in Galatians 1:6-9. If Mormons believed in Jesus Christ, they would believe that because He died on the Cross, we do not earn our salvation from works whatsoever, according to Romans 3:10-12. If Mormons believed in the Trinity, they would believe that God is three persons* in one, not as three separate persons. If Mormons believed in Jesus Christ, then they should not be earning their salvation by works, that which Ephesians 2:8-9 clearly states. If Mormons say they are Christian, believe in Jesus Christ, say they have the only truth and the Gospel, they would have tested Joseph Smith’s prophecy from an angel(like 1 John 4:1 says). Now if any Mormon is reading this, I don’t want any misconceptions about what I’m for, and that is this: I believe that God created the heavens and the earth, and that he made Angels-some that have even turned away-and humans. Those humans, Adam and Eve, were created to marvel at God and talk with him and live perfectly in the Garden of Eden; however, Satan had turned Adam’s and Eve’s heart to eat the Apple of Knowledge, and committed a sin, thus began the fall of man. This fall had broken God’s heart, and the relationship between God and Man was blotted by Sin. However, God has sent a prophecy and will help overcome the barrier between God and Man, and that prophecy is Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross and bore every sin onto himself as if he committed every single one of them. Later, he rose again, and has went up back to heaven to rule heaven once again. This is so that any, and I mean *any*, person that believes that this is true will truly have eternal life!
Simon, If you are a mormon, you don't believe in a lunatic god.(3personality 1being) And because you are not mormon, you believe that you will be save even with out repenting of your sins or restoring any damage you give in your fellow men. (because mormon believe that repentance is one of the principles of the gospel.) If you say, those mormons are not christians, i would say, YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN MIMIC!!!!
@@Forestgump12able "does James 2:17-26 exist, in your own bible"? , "Does Ephesians 2:8-10 exist, in your bible"?," Does Philippines 2:12 not, exist in your bible"? Saints must work out their salvation. This Gospel is a works based Salvation, & enduring to the end- Matthew 24:13; Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13;
@@bcg3166 our works is to build a relationship with him, not unto salvation. Not to kills goats and cows or uneccessary rituals to be saved or exalted, works with our hearts will eventually lead to good deeds that's what these scriptures are saying. Most Christians believe in the actions that Jesus told us to do in the bible. Baptism and sacrament which all points to Jesus.
img 73, You see them as problems because you want to, let me reveal that one of the things people says contradicts actually doesn't contradict. We say we can't be forgiven for murder. Alma 24:9-10 9 And behold, I also thank my God, that by opening this correspondence we have been convinced of our sins, and of the many murders which we have committed. 10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son. That's not a contradiction if you study it as a whole. Alma 24:13 13 Behold, I say unto you, Nay, let us retain our swords that they be not stained with the blood of our brethren; for perhaps, if we should stain our swords again they can no more be washed bright through the blood of the Son of our great God, which shall be shed for the atonement of our sins. Verse 9 &10 are talking about the time they were following the wicked traditions of their fathers not knowing anything about the word of God. Then once they heard the word of God they would not be forgiven for murder anymore. "they can no more be washed bright" God is more merciful and tolerant towards those who don't know his word and ways because how can they follow ways they've never been taught? Those who do know his ways know because he has revealed that knowledge to them and he won't suffer them to treat that knowledge too lightly.
@HEAVEN IS 4 REAL um really. How no ties between American Indians and jews, how about the animals listed never existed in the bom times. How about the 1776 translation errors. How about no skeletons of millions of deaths. The list goes on.
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL Just stop. The whole premise of the Book of Mormon has been proved false by dna tests showing natives from america are not from the Middle East. They’re from Asia. The lies need to stop. Research your crappy church more and stop being so ignorant
@@leeleviner8159 What's your point? I'm well aware of the different editions of The Book of Mormon just like the different editions of the Bible, the version you've shared doesn't give a different message, it gives the same message I've written above. It's the teachings that matter, some parts were edited to make it easier to understand for modern readers, probably one of the reasons the Bible has different editions. Again, what's your problem? Or like others I come across, are you just a hateful trouble causer?
Have you read the whole Book of Mormon? Tell me please, just this simple question, what is the over arching theme of “The Book of Mormon” (The Stick of Joseph)?
Whats that Ezekiel 37, 15 Stick of Joseph and of Judah. The Book of Mormon, another Testifier of Jesus the Christ. And of The Holy Bible the Stick of words Judah of the Jewish Prophets. We did get the Holy Bible from the Jewish Prophets, but yet claim as americans, it is our Book.
@@Forestgump12ableIt is obvious you have not read. Ezeiel chapter 37 in exegesis a critical study of that chapter in Hebrew and Greek it is only a stick , not a scroll God is telling Ezekiel to bring the two Kingdoms together and make than one Kingdom The sticks represented two kingdoms not books Basically you've been lied to.
The simple over arching message of the Book of Mormon another Testament of Jesus Christ is at the beginning of the Book. It is called Title Page. It was Written to/for the Convincing of the Jews, Gentiles and the Lamanites that the Bible is true. That God has/is Merciful to man kind. That the Church that espouses the Book is the Church, restored previous to the second coming of Jesus Christ. That because of this, you ought to believe the Prophesy of Daniel in Chapter 2 of the bible. That God is going to set up his Kingdom on earth in the Latter Days. That is going to grow and consume other religions because it is true and ok f God. Thank you for you interest kind sir.
@@Forestgump12able Re: Daniel chapter 2 I don't know who your teachers are , but Daniel 2 has nothing to with Mormonism. Daniel. Chapter 2 is talking about. Babylon Medes and Persia, Greek and Rome. and the Great Tribulation You seriously have to study the context in exegesis. The Holy Bible has nothing to do with Smith's book and that's because the BoM is Religious Fiction. I've read it The Holy Bible has two testaments 66 books and 40 authors. That is the completion of God's Word. Which are Divinely Written The true Church is God's Kingdom and all can come unto him that believe in the Creator of all things It's not the Mormon , Catholic or Protestant churches It's HaShem the only requirement repent and come unto the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords Creator of the Universe. Peace
Faye Lewis how was the Book of Mormon plagiarized? What’s your source? What evidence do you have Joseph suffered from any mental illness? Both of those are simply not true.
@@rogalskyj there are whole sections of the BoM that are exactly like sections in "The Book of Napoleon"..also sections that are exactly like the KJV bible in which the 'errors" of the KJV are in the BoM. the KJV is a TRANSLATION of the scriptures, so if the BoM were divinely inspired and joseph was the prophet who wrote it down, surely god wouldve made sure the same mistakes from the KJV woudnt appear in the BoM, since it wasnt translated by ordinary men.. the BoM has been "revised" several times from the edition published in the 1830's. a simple google search will show this. heres a link to a video done by a guy who left the mormon church. it is long and sometimes hard to follow because he is a "tech" kinda guy, but he has great info and has researched this for years. get some popcorn, sit down and watch czcams.com/video/GAGasQ7j_ZI/video.html
ur kidding right? theres thousands of great books written in a shorter time than 3 months. it isnt hard to do when a story is made up. however it is hard to do when something is factual. even if the BoM were true, it contradicts the teaching of the mormon church and vice versa. a simple google search will turn all this up for u. just google "book of mormon contradictions"....surely u have enough education to do that much.
@@caman171 I notice that these pathetic internet sources are useless, type the opposite and you'll get results as well. It's plain foolish to base decisions on truth on what you see on the internet. Sites and videos you share are based on interpretations of flawed thinking humans trusting their own understanding even though the Bible says we shouldn't lean on our own understanding. According to my interpretation of the scriptures they don't contradict. The interpretations of people contradict, not the scriptures themselves. Some people think Luke 16:16 proves there's never to be true prophets again, when you look at the rest of the scriptures that's obviously a false interpretation. God always revealed his Word through prophets, God was still revealing his Word after Christ's time on earth. Peter was a prophet, Acts 6:7 says "And the word of God increased;" If you do agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, you must believe God can increase his word today and forever just like he could yesterday. You all deny that truth just as the Pharisees did.
There is scientific and cultural evidence of precolmbian horses in the Americas. Horses article title “Yes world, there were horses in Native culture before the settlers came” “Collin also drew from interviews with American Indian study participants from seven different Nations. Every indigenous community that was interviewed reported having horses prior to European arrival, and each community had a traditional creation story explaining the sacred place of the horse within their societies.”
I tried to read the book of mormon, impossible, it makes no sense. It reads, like a guy with his face in his hat, wrote it. Maybe a couple rocks were in the hat too.
I'm glad that you are sharing your views without being insulting to LDS beliefs. But you probably need to do more research if you want to speak on another religion. There is really good scholarly work out there that answers the five matters you've raised. Seems like you have a very surface level view of the history and facts.
Danielle Strafford perhaps if you’re not aware on the work being done by both LDS and non LDS scholars you shouldn’t be posting about this topic. You could start with Fair Mormon.
@@johnsonmckay8820 You made the claim of "really good scholarly work" and so should have posted references. Just replying "if you’re not aware on the work being done by both LDS and non LDS scholars you shouldn’t be posting" is a very closed-minded and illogical way to answer a justifiable question about your claim of scholarly work. The only things I have found even weakly supporting the BoM come from LDS apologists and church funded researchers/professors. Cite me an archaeologist not trying to prove some link to the BoM but simply doing research in any part of South/Central/North America that stumbled upon some peer-reviewed evidence of the BoM.
Hugh Nibley. The original, still the best years after his passing. “Lehi in the Desert/There were Jaredites”; “An Approach to the Book of Mormon”; “Mormonism and Early Christianity”; “The World and the Prophets”. That will keep any real scholar busy for about, say, three years.
I'm part of the x club, thank you I am a born again Christian and I'm very grateful I came to learn the truth about the call that I was born into and was apart of for the first 29 years of my life, Iremember hearing in the early seventies and singing songs about the Native Americans unfortunately some of the members of our church who are native American bought into it also oh, I remember one of them caught up and describe how they were very happy to learn that they were descendants of the lamanites oh, of course they taught that in our Sunday School classes and songs that we sang until the 1980s when did Mormons had to put a spin on everything to cover their historical onconsistencies have a glass for me that is spewed out by its leadership, even to this day they don't want to give up their high positions just as the Pharisees didn't want to admit their old mistakes during the time of Jesus Christ was walking and teaching his ministry on the Earth, no human being should have to jump through a bunch of hoops to know who Jesus Christ is just as Christ said to the Pharisees they were all going to hell, those who mislead the children of God who just so happened to be uninformed Mormons into jeopardy with the word of Christ are also called false prophets, they are the worst, they shall stand before God and his judgement and I pray today beg for forgiveness from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ before it's too late
@@edluisrivera3317 There were 40 authors. Agreed men.most were righteous men who penned while in the Spirit of God or God Breath. Throughout the Holy Bible there have been prophecy that has come true. And there has been prophecy lately that came true.. And still more prophecy to come. Although 40 men pen the words but they are God Breath Peace
I just saw a video on the BOM but the video summary mentioned ishmael in 600 BC, so i came from trying to see if it was true to looking up, "debunking the book of mormon." And i found this video.
My Mormon (now ex) boyfriend broke up with me because of his religion on Christmas Eve. He played me for a fool saying he didn't know why we got together in the first place. Now, I'm looking at all these videos just to feel better lol
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You did not need to be with him anyways because the Mormons brainwashed people they are a cult! You need to find yourself a true Christian Bible believe in man.
krish Symphonic... Nothing can justify the lie that the Mormon religion embraces and teaches. Unfortunately for the Mormon religion it is fraught with contradictions, obfuscations and blatant lies. Research will reveal to you that what I say is true.
zen 101 its depends upon what kinda of mind and heart that we have. Are we a empty vessel or full! Are we hunger or are we thrust! Our desire to follow the Lord can Justyfy to us and everyone. NO one who claim to be perfect is not. If somebody see its lie let him/her to be tested first and see the fruits from God. They may be edified to prepare for the true.
zen 101 The lasting joy of the Saints that starts with a testimony from God, that the Book of Mormon is the testament of the Prophet Joseph Smith in this last dispensation, justifies it all. All the persecution and defaming can be endured because of the power of the witness of the Holy Ghost. Doubt is replaced with hope, which you are sorely lacking, *zen 101.*
Berkey Family... Mormonism teaches good moral principles, it has given people hope and for some a life that they like living. But it's all false. The Book of Mormon was supposedly a testament of Jesus Christ, not Joseph Smith. If the Smith story falls apart then so does the entire foundation of the church. Moroni 10:4 is used to boost a pre-conceived idea. Smith didn't even use the gold plates for translating the B.O.M. He used a peepstone in a hat. (the factual story which missionaries are taught at the MTC to completely avoid). Church records of history are evidence that prove Smith to be a charlatan, an con man and a pedophile. The history of Joseph Smith speaks for itself. He married 14 year old children, behind Emma's back!!. If it were for an honorable cause, then why so secret?. Why was it necessary for Smith to have to warn Emma to accept polygamy in D&C 132, lest she would be "damned"?. He always had revelations whenever he was in the shit to justify his evil behaviour. When the church employed academic researchers who dug up the factual past of Smith what was discovered was very disturbing, and after 2010 the church suffered a flood of people to leave. The hemorrhaging hasn't stopped. Then the church went into damage control and got Daniel Petersen to lead F.A.R.M.S, which later failed to stop the stem of the exodus of it's members., Petersen was fired. Thus the church disbanded FARMS and another pack of self apologetic clowns formed FairMormon and lds.org. The church has been into damage control for decades now and the internet has revealed the facts that we were never taught and revealed the massive fraud the Mormon Church has always been. The church leaders emphasize honesty and integrity but they all preach from a hypocritical pulpit. Smith was a fraud, and the Holy Ghost testifies that the Church is NOT true.
zen 101 How can “it all” be false and yet inspire and motivate people to live “good lives?” Aren’t you being over zealous with you claim against the Latter-day Saints? If the fruits of the Latter-say Saints is “good morals,” from whence do these fruits come? A bad tree?
I have a couple more for you: The chronology is all messed up. Examples: Nephi, son of Helaman the Second was elected Chief Judge by the people at the age of 5. This is doesn't appear to be intentional, as the tale reads that he was a good judge, strong in the faith, but a few pages earlier his birth date is given to be just 5 years prior. Apparently Joseph forgot his own timeline. (Helaman, chapter 3) Later a speech is recorded, which Helaman gave his twin sons, Nephi and Lehi, but they had to have been 4 years old or less, yet the talk reads as if given to young adults. Later, toward the end of the book, Ammaron, brother of Amos the record keeper, if you follow the time line, had to had lived about 290 years. There are probably plenty more time mistakes but those are two that stand out.
You are misreading the scripture. Helaman had two sons, and in the 46th year of the reign of the judges "And they began to grow up unto the Lord." They weren't born and grown up all in one year.
@@johnmainwaring6556 Every individual must follow their own journey of belief or disbelief. I can't convince anyone, they have to discover themselves the truth to make it life-changing.
Also, the book in which Ammaron is mentioned covers the span of 200+ years in about two pages or less. I think it egregious to think that chronologically, in a book that mentions many names in the span of 200+ years you claim to say that this man lived 200 years. Also, maybe check your logic out the door. Abraham lived 180 (and many others much more) according to the Bible.
L Ron Hubbard couldn't hold a candle to Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was President of the church, Prophet and Seer, Architect, General, Mayor, Magazine Editor, Banker, Hotelier, and expert on Egyptian. He healed the sick, and cast out devils, and prophesied of things to come. He was the hand of the Lord.
Robert Rosskopf he was definitely not an expert on Egyptology everything you described were things Joseph Smith called and gave himself. Things you forgot were that Joseph Smith was a criminal, a murderer, a conspirator, a conman, a pedophile, a polygamist, a false prophet, and a polytheist bigamist.
russell nichols it’s a pretty easy comparison it’s the 20th century version of Mormonism. Not much different when you get down to it except Joseph Smith copied rituals from Freemasons and L Ron Hubbard created all his own rituals.
Doctor so can we read that book of Mormon as a Christian fiction because their videos on CZcams are awesome but I don't like some of their doctrines because they are so dumb I only believe in Bible and everything it says but when I see their videos some of their quotes are awesome for a Christian fiction stories.
Yea I just watched on Mormon site that they believe Jesus appeared after his resurrection to his disciples in the Holy land to the ppl's in the ancient Americas and preached the gospel and they wrote it down and passed it thru generations until the tablets were dug up by Joseph and translated n it was almost the same as original and they used his scripture from the bible about having other sheep in other lands. So from the start your belief is different from what the Mormon site I just watched said was their belief about the book of Mormon and religion.
Thank you for this, Mormonism needs to be exposed. No historian or archeologist has validated the B of M, not one artifact has been found, not a weapon, utensil's, etc. No one has seen God; Mormonism is not a Christian religion. This is all true, excellent video.
I grew up in the Catholic Church but also attended the Mormon Church. Even as a young kid red flags were raised by the book of Mormon. It’s incredible what people are willing to dismiss or turn a blind eye to for salvation.
Have you actually studied The Book of Mormon - Another Testament of Jesus Christ, and prayed to know if it's true? I have. And I bear solemn witness that it is true. See Ecclesiastes 1 :13 😊
I've just started reading the book of Mormon and I pick up on point #4 right away... I immediately thought the writing style was not like the ancient Hebrew writing style the we see consistently in the Old Testament, but seem more modern.
yes thats because joe smith plagerised bible readings even the words of jesus are placed in a timeline of 600BC the book of mormon is plagerised bullshit
Right? The very first thing that jumped out at me when I read some of it for research was the writing style. It reads like a sad imitation of scripture. Not at all inspired by God, but really on the contrary...
My whole issue is the whole “skin color “ where if you have darker skin you soul must be bad. I’ve asked this to many Mormons and they all tell me that elders misinterpreted it and now that they are back on the right track anyone can join. They would refuse people of color from entering the temple. I’m sorry but weren’t the very first Christians the Chaldeans and Africans?
It’s a very easy cover up to say that the elders misinterpreted the words of Joseph Smith when it came to race. That shows how inconsistent their religion is. How can a prophet contradict a previous prophet?
Joseph smith ordained black converts to the priesthood, fyi. It was later, due to common Christian teachings that Cain was cursed and his skin became black as a sign of his curse that led to Brigham young following the perceived teaching and then denying priesthood advancement until the church leaders finally refuted that teaching. The Book of Mormon nor the church teach racism. Most members are outside the US and are not white. God loves all races. Don’t fool yourself that Mormons teach otherwise.
i think one of the most damning anachronisms you didn't mention is the Isaiah chapters quoted that wouldn't have possibly been in Nephi's plates he took from Laban because they would have been written after Lehi left Jerusalem ( look up Deutero-isaiah in the book of mormon). great summation though!
Too Legit To Quit . Jesus said it many times. Why was he crucified, hello? Because he referred to himself as son of God, which in the Hebrew language means “God”. It is found in Mathew 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. He referred to himself as the I am. Joseph Smith was found to be a polygamist, was found to be a drunk, was committing scrying which is witchcraft, which the Bible condemns. How did Joseph Smith die? Spreading the gospel of love? no. He died in a gun battle in prison, with men he had swindled and betrayed. Please leave the cult and come to Christ. All that I mentioned, you can review yourself. Why would God call a person that was into scrying to call with a special vision.
@Too Legit To Quit . Oh really, if those supposed discrepancies of the Bible will not allow you to believe, the whole Bible story, then you are not opening your mind, to the many prophecies foretold about Jesus birth and ministry, betrayal, and resurrection. My friend you need faith to believe in the Bible, like you need, and more to believe that the elements of life sprung on its own, millions of years ago by some mystic power. I believe, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. It was planned and designed.
@Too Legit To Quit . Well, unfortunately, you were fed only religion when you were growing up. Salvation, is a relationship with the creator through his son Jesus Christ, which was prophesied to be Emmanuel, or God with us. Just to point something out, of all accounts of special people in history, the accounts of the life of Jesus were the most accurate. Some were written very close to his death and resurrection. As close as 30 years, from those that were around Jesus himself. It was documented that more than 500 witnesses saw him alive after his resurrection. Many of the original manuscripts can still be found. The key evidence that he is God, he arose from the dead like he said he would. His body was never found, to disprove the resurrection. Choose to not believe if you want, but there is a lot of evidence He is the truth, like his Word. Jesus loves you, and he is still at the door of your heart knocking, if you will open, he will come in and have a relationship with you, but if you don't, you will find out the hard way.
@Too Legit To Quit . OK, I know I am saved and will enter heaven and how do I know this? because I know the Father, through his son Jesus Christ. The answer is in John 3:16. See man was separated from God because of sin. For the wages of sin is death (Rom 3:23) but Jesus, being perfect, took our place upon the cross, so if by faith we believe in that sacrifice, it brings true forgiveness and by it salvation. It does not mean you will be perfect, but the Lord will make a way to help you be more like him. God's desire is that you will be and know you are saved. I can give you more information if you are interested. my desire is to not win an argument, but for you to have salvation and know the joy and peace it will bring.
An excellent brief introduction to the topic. Worth showing to LDS Missionaries and asking what they think about it. The Mormon religion rests on two pillars : Joseph Smith and he Book of Mormon. When examined critically, they collapse quicker than a pack of cards.
And if an atheists puts out his top 5 generic criticisms of Christ and the Bible in an 11 minute video, would you also say he is justified in saying that "When examined critically, they collapse quicker than a pack of cards"? Or would you say that the atheist did a vast oversimplification of the topics at hand and cherry picked points to prove his preconceived notions?
@@fayelewis5476 And by that same logic, does every Christian know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's restored Church on the earth today? That would be cool if it were the case, but I don't think either is true to life.
@@OntheOtherHandVideos Every true Christian knows that the LDS church is not God's restored church. (Simple logic tells you otherwise.) More importantly, the BOM fits nowhere into the timeline of the Old Testament.
The three accounts of Paul's conversion in just the Book of Acts all say different things. The first says the men with Paul heard a voice, then in Acts 22 he says the men with him didn't hear a voice and then in Chapter 26 what Jesus tells him after he tells him to get up is totally different. In the first two accounts, he is told to go to Ananias. In the last he is told he will be going to the Gentiles. But his contradicting account is in the Bible, so he'll get a pass hmmmm
This is funny.. I've heard the same. My buddy just had a transformative experience with psilocybin... He said he spoke to God and saw colors that didn't have names...... He said there was no doubt, after his experience, that JS had the same.... Interesting.
And if they are humble and sincere, they will find it if they let the Holy Spirit guide them. At least read The Book of Mormon - Another Testament of Jesus Christ, before dismissing it because of what others have said. 😊
look up “how the book of mormon was written” there’s a lot of theories. most of them conclude that smith got inspiration from his version of the KJV aswell as a book called The View Of Hebrews.
Amazing how Mormon theology changes with the wind. When US. Congress refused to allow Utah statehood, due to polygamy & pedophilia, God came to the Mormon church and told them to give up multiple wives & sex with children... In1978, Jessie Jackson led a planned Salt Lake City protest of Blacks non admission to the priesthood & the temple. 100,000 Black men were organizing a protest in Utah of racist Mormon church teachings; Then, that same year, God then came to the Mormon church and told them black people were now okay. For 180 years, Mormon church taught hateful things towards Gays. Now in 2023, after bad press, God has told the Mormon church to back off the condemnation of Gays...Interesting timing of God's revelations & heat the Mormon Church was feeling.
@@filminginportland1654 yes ive read it and the words so it came to pass are mentioned a lot it may have been old joe could not think of anything to write, o and by the way where are the golden plates surely these should be in a museum at that particular time there was a lot of fictional ancient history novels published so he most likely plagerised some other book
The reason I personally don't believe that Joseph Smith was visited by the Lord God and Jesus Christ. Because that's not normal, even the disciples never had this type of visitation. Paul.had visitation but it was Jesus Christ directly confronted him, with a very clear and specific message. Paul didn't bring any different messages but continued with same theme, thats why other disciples had no problems to accept him. Secondly, Joseph Smith was told to dug the earth to find the tablet with message. I personally think it is mockery of our God who gave 10 commandments on the mountain with all that Holiness and reverence to God. Moses was called on the mountain, then why Joseph Smith was asked to dug the earth to find this tablet. The book he wrote has no connections with the already given bible. Lastly, the bible in Hebrew 1,1,2 says in Sundry times God spoke to our forefathers through prophets but in these last days He has spoken to us through His son. Very clearly that the Lord Jesus Christ was the last voice sent at the end of the age. We know the period of prophets came to conclusion 400 yrs before the first arrival of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came with the message of salvation. Then he died to destroy the power of sin and death which caused people to be disobedient to the voice of God. Jews utterly failed to please the Lord God almighty and take His name to the uttermost part of the world therefore they are out of picture. Prophets time ceased. Therefore I personally believe those who came after Jesus Christ were not accepted by the Jew's nor by the christians. Therfore they remained antichrist. Who is antichrist but who deny the divinity of Christ, His crucifixion, burial and the resurrection. Just think about the following Islam came 650 yrs after Christianity Mohammad claimed that he was visited by Gabriel. Obviously there is lots of controversy on that, because he didn't know what actually was happening to him. He was acting like he is demon possessed, like he was having seizures etc. His wife khadija who.was 15 years older a Catholic nun told him that its Gabriel that has visited him. Anyhow, he claimed that Gabriel told him that Jew's and the christians have got it all wrong Therefore he must bring the truth. Result Jew's and the christians rejected the claim because nothing sounded biblical to test this spirit. And we know the rest of the Islamic story. Then comes Russell Taze who founded jehovah witness He also claimed that Jew's, christians, and now Islam added in the claim got it wrong. No Jew's or the christians accepted the claim. They deny the divinity of Christ and don't believe that the Holy Spirit is a person and God. Then comes LDS Again claimed the same thing Jews, christians, Islam, JWs, got it wrong and he must bring the truth. Now we only have to decide who is right among themor all of them got it wrong because they didn't believe the finished work of the Cross. Didn't believe that Jesus Christ came redeemed His people and went up after empowering them.with Holy spirit to carry on the great commission until He returns again. I will leave this to the readers. If you want to live with Jesus Christ forever then simply embrace Jesus Christ and be busy in sharing the gospel and soon Jesus Will return and gather us to Himself. God bless
There is also one more problem regarding Book of Mormon, which is that there is not one Native American Indian language in the same language family as Hebrew, or Aramaic, or even ancient Egyptian( all Native American Indian languages have language families of their own)!
Check out Brian Stubbs work showing the similarities between the Uto-Aztecan language family with ancient Semitic languages. The similarities are statistically significant and quite amazing.
josaph smith was only a boy when he was met with the question which is the true church he gets on his knees and bows his head and prays he was only a 14 year old when this all happen
8:57 Clarification, I think you mis-spoke. It was claimed that the people of the _BoM_ were the American Indian's ancestors. It was the introduction of the BoM published in 1981 that said the BoM people were "the principle ancestors of the American Indians." It was revised in 2006 to say "among the ancestors of the American Indians". As for the Mezo-American setting for the BoM, as far as I'm concerned, anachronisms don't matter, geographical correlations don't matter, even finding settlements don't matter. This is the red herring Mormon apologists _want_ you to be concerned with. They would _love_ for people to buy into the BoM being in a small, limited setting on the western hemisphere somewhere. Ether 13:2-8 The Book of Mormon relies on the flood of Noah being a _global_ event. The reference above talks about the flood affecting the western hemisphere. Any living things or people who would have been there would have been killed in the flood. The book _necessitates_ that _all_ Native Americans came from the Book of Mormon people. The claim is too specific to be reconciled with the science. If the out-of-Africa model for human migration is correct, then the Book of Mormon _can't_ be true.
Thomas Davis even as a Latter Day Saint, I would disagree that the Lehites were the only Native Americans post-flood. Simply because their record is the only one we really have does not preclude there being other peoples coming to the Americas anciently that we do not have records of.
@@martinreid2352 Hi. Lehites? Is that a current LDS term? Never heard it. Believe what makes sense to you and live by it. I was totally Mormon from 1955-1983 and Nobody in church or Conference, Nobody I read and I read hundreds, and Nobody anywhere around me thought Lamanites were only some small part of Native American ancestors. I listened to Hugh Nibley at least 30 times and even he never put this "well, maybe it's only part of them" forward. That's a recent idea, not Joseph's. The Lamanite survivors were the Indians. End of story. Do you believe they had submarines 2500 years ago, as Ether tells us?
@@martinreid2352 evidence is clear that humans have continuously lived throughout the Americas for many thousands of years, before and after the mythological global flood, for which there is no evidence of impacting the America’s. Yet one more nail in the BoM’s coffin. Sorry bro.
Saints unscripted explains a lot of things, I suggest watching them. There are a lot of biblical places that no one knows where they are. The Bible is missing books and texts, and before being compiled exchanged so many hands.
The Book of Mormon also has italicized words from Bibles made at the time to allow it to be read more easily. A book from the past would not include this.
@@DrJordanBCooper There's a lot more verses giving the teaching to ask God. Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door will be opened. When you want knowledge of God who do you ask? Where do you look? And who's door do you knock on? You probably just knock on a pastor's door while we knock on God's door.
Well, I was considering to give this book a try but when you mentioned that it refers to black people as cursed and if a person was Holy became white. I'm gonna pass. Thank you for this informative video
The concept of black people being a curse in scripture is the basis European Christians, Semitic North Africans, and Islamic Arabs used are varying points over 1800 years to justify enslaving black Africans. It's not unique to Mormonism. Jehovah's Witnesses preached that blacks wouldn't enter Paradise, until the WTS later changed their minds in the early 1970s. Their earlier literature spoke of white superiority and Aryan strengths. The Mormons are not alone in their teachings, proving their thoughts were those of men. Still, the sentiment of blacks as cursed by God is one these religions were founded on through upbringings by other Abrahamic faiths over the centuries.
Responding to the five problems: 1. There's copious amounts of evidence, you just haven't looked. And just because there's disagreement among mormons doesn't mean there isn't merit to the theories put forth. You also have to take into account that there isn't all much we know about ancient mesoamerica period. So, just because the book of mormon talks about things we haven't found yet, doesn't mean they didn't actually exist. And while there is a good number of things we haven't found yet, there are also things we have found which would be astronomical coincidences for Joseph Smith to just make up statistically speaking. As a quick example, what's your secular explanation for Nahom, pray tell? 2. Practically the same as my response to the first, so I'll address some of your more specific points here instead. Sheep, goats, and cattle do natively exist in the Americas. Ever heard of bighorn sheep, or llamas, or buffalo? As for horses, horses actually evolved in the Americas, but were hunted to extinction by native populations so that they didn't exist in the new world any longer by the time Columbus arrived. However, we have discovered evidence of horses existing in the Americas far predating Columbus, and even evidence of horses existing in the time period after the book of mormon, but before Columbus. (400-1400 AD) However it is true that we haven't found evidence of horses that dates to the book of mormon era (600 BC - 400 AD) but we've found evidence of horses both before and after that period, so it's only really a matter of time. However, judging by how the book of mormon describes horses (ruminant animals used only as beasts of burden and never as mounts or war horses, the way Joseph Smith thought of horses) it's likely that "horses" were just what the Nephites called them, and they weren't actually horses. Ever heard of a river horse? That's what the greeks called hippos (and in fact is what hippopotamus translates to) cultures often name new species after animals they are more familiar with instead of giving them new names. Sea horses for example, look nothing like horses. American indians when they saw horses for the first time, called them deer, because that's what they reminded them of. So book of mormon horses were probably either llamas or tapirs. (tapirs can get to be about the size of a donkey, and actually don't look that far off. At least more similar than hippos are to horses.) Moving on, there is evidence of metal work in the americas. And while you probably won't find what us modern people call steel, there very well could be something an ancient people call steel, because the word "steel" is far older than the material it describes in the modern day, which really didn't come into prominence until the last few hundred years. So all mention of steel found in the bible would also have to be discounted. You mention chariots, and this is where you expose yourself as someone who hasn't actually examined the book of mormon, and has instead just skimmed or googled talking points. Because the only time chariots are ever mentioned in the book of mormon, is when Nephi is directly quoting from the book of Isaiah in the bible. It is never said that chariots existed in the new world. And even if it did, the word chariot in Hebrew doesn't necessarily refer to the Ben Hurr chariots we think of it, and instead just roughly means vehicle, something you ride for transport or to carry things. I was also going to mention how we've found native domesticated cultivars of barley in the americas, but you actually mentioned that yourself, so good on you. 3. This point is also incredibly flawed, but the amount of historical evidence I would have to cite in order to properly push back on this point would take far too long, so I will simply have to ask you to do a bit of your own research on the other side of the issue, if you want more detail on how Joseph was trustworthy in this regard. Now, Joseph was human, just like all of us, and made a lot of mistakes. There are entire sections of the D&C dedicated to reprimanding him, however that does not impact the truthfullness of his testimony, as well as the testimonies of dozens of other very trustworthy men that would necessarily have to be lying as well in order to maintain the very consistent narrative surrounding the gold plates and other things, such as the 11 witnesses. However, what I think is very important to note is that there is no good alternative explanation for how the book of mormon came to exist, every secular explanation falls apart. We're talking about a farmboy with 3 years of elementary school education, who can't even spell the word "chirch" (church), orally dictating about 530 pages of a historical epic with incredible amounts of intricate details, all internally consistent, in just over a month, essentially with their eyes closed. Far from whether or not you think he's trustworthy, you have to explain to me how he's not the greatest literary genius in the history of the world. I can't even think of anyone that could quote several whole chapters of Isaiah with their eyes closed, and that would be the "easy" part of writing the book of mormon. So until you give me a good alternative explanation for the book of mormon's existence, I'm going to stick with what all the historical documentation points towards. 4. I don't know about Joseph Smith Sr.'s dream, but otherwise, this also doesn't hold up. The book of mormon is chalk full of Hebraisms (things that make more sense in Hebrew than english) if you want an example, look no further than chiasmus, a form of hebrew poetry that mormons didn't find out about until over a hundred years after Joseph Smith's death. And some of the greatest examples of Chiasmus we have, are in the book of mormon, there are entire chapters written in this form of poetry, and it's simply incredible. No way something like that could just be made up on a first draft they way it would have to be if Joseph wasn't translating it. And that's just scratching the surface. As for the whole race thing, it's important to note that Joseph Smith didn't believe in all the racist ideas of his day. He ran for president on an anti-slavery platform, he ordained black people to the priesthood, etc. It's also important to note that almost every time the words black and white are mentioned they're usually used in phrases like "white and pure" and "black and loathsome" so it's very likely the words are to be taken symbolically, and not referring to people's skin color. However, there are anthropological explanations as to why the Lamanites would suddenly become darker skinned while the Nephites remained Jewish looking (at least at the start anyway) was because the Nephites would still be keeping the law of Moses that says to marry within the covenant, whereas the Lamanites wouldn't care and would intermarry with the darker skinned native populations. Which would make it all the more scathing when Jacob remarks a few decades later that the Nephites are becoming less chaste than the Lamanites because the Nephites have started adulterating, while the Lamanites quote: "loves their wives, and their wives love their husbands" (I don't have the verse in front of me, so that may be a misquote.) 5. To bring up DNA is utterly intellectually dishonest in this case. We are talking about really only five Jewish people from over 2,600 years ago (Lehi, Sariah, Zoram, Ishmael, and his wife) among 100s of thousands of other native peoples. The DNA of their descendants would be just about impossible to find, even if you included the Mulekites. To say it's disproven, when we've found exactly what we would expect to find assuming the null hypothesis of the book of mormon being true, is incredibly presumptuous. This is a video that gives more information on the topic: Ugo Perego - Book of Mormon and DNA Studies - CZcams Also, Joseph Smith never claims that he received revelation from God that the indians from his area of the US were descendants from the lamanites, although you could make the argument that perhaps they were very distantly related after thousands of years of intermingling. The statement that the lamanites were the "principle ancestors" is not from the gold plates, it's part of the preface, added in by non prophets giving a summary of the book, such a statement in no way holds any authority on the subject. The person who wrote that statement was simply mistaken, as were the many members of the church who believed the statement because they didn't read into the book of mormon very deeply, as the book does make numerous inferences to there being other native populations already existing. Really the only credible statement we really have on who the descendants of the book of mormon people are, was when one of the more modern general authorities mentioned that he thought that the native Hawaiians were the descendants of Hagoth, a rather obscure background character in the book of mormon.
@@KnuttyEntertainment It's goal isn't to be impressive. And the CES letter isn't to blame for the choices you make to resolve your cognitive dissonance.
@@Ghithe97 I don't recall mentioning the CES letter, and I don't see what you're trying to say. Mind telling me what an actual instance of cognitive dissonance I committed?
Interesting video! I really enjoyed listening. However, I don't think it's quite fair to use science and historical record to attempt to dispute one religion when you can do the same thing with all Catholicism/Christianity in general. I mean, I understand that you believe what you believe. Just be a good person, always try to be humble and disciplined, yet maintain values and formal standards at the same time.
It's already been done countless times even atheist scholars believe Jesus existed. Also if you count on ur goodness then u won't keep a record of what wrong things n thoughts u have each day. In ur eyes u maybe good but still not enough for the standard of goodness required. That's where I require grace, imagine ur child passing away, no goodness will save him until grace b mercy is shown
May I point out your tactics, common to all these sites that I have found in this presentation? 1. As a minister, don't rely on personal revelation or the Holy Spirit, but on the learning of men. 2. Be sure and state your doubts that the Book of Mormon came from God. Ignore James 1:5-6 that says if you lack wisdom to ask of God. In particular ignore you must ask with faith or you are like a storm-tossed wave of the sea. (You can find the same admonition in the Book of Mormon to ask in faith, oddly enough.) 3. Use sinister words- the Book of Mormon plates were not holy or sacred, they were “secret.” 4. Ignore half of the truth to cause division. The Bible is also a foundational text for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but be sure to only mention the Book of Mormon. 5. Don’t check facts. Lump the Doctrine and Covenants in with “ancient documents” which it is not. 6. Make archaeology your god of truth for the Book of Mormon, forgetting that while you have an authentic setting for the Bible and the names of mostly kings, you have no evidence of the spiritual leaders- Abraham, Joseph in Egypt, Moses, Peter or even Jesus Christ. Ignore the unique Book of Mormon names that have been discovered as authentic Hebrew or Egyptian since the death of Joseph Smith. Don’t talk about, Hebraic poetic and grammatical structures Joseph wouldn't have known much about, let alone known how to use properly, and the fact that archaeology is an ever changing field- see the discovery of Etzanoa, or the “Stonehenge” found in Lake Michigan. Ignore also that IF the Book of Mormon took place in northeastern America that the destruction that went on with European settlers has disturbed about 90% of the locations. 7. Make sure to point out that Mormons can’t agree where the Book of Mormon took place, thus allowing the watcher to assume that goes for their testimony of the book as divine. 8. Don’t consider that the Book of Mormon essentially ends at 400 AD and nothing is known about the fate of the people who were left, other than they were at war among themselves. Don’t consider other groups that may have come into the area before or after who mixed or fought with them in the 1,000 intervening years. 9. Use the fun word “cult” while ignoring that cults are generally small, suspicious and reclusive groups with one leader, while the LDS faith has about 17 million members, is a worldwide church, and is led by a group of successive leaders who build interfaith relations and encourage love and service. 10. Be sure to cast aspersions about the personal integrity of Joseph Smith. Do not mention that he might have been reluctant to speak of the vision he had because of the reaction of ministers like you. Leave out documented sources that show who said such things about Joseph Smith, since they were from detractors or were hearsay statements. Interpret Lucy Mack Smith’s statement about how much Joseph knew of the Book of Mormon culture as “storytelling.” 11. State that the accounts of the First Vision contradict rather than add different details. Since you have not had a vision of God, assume that the experience was not overwhelming and multi faceted. Ignore psychological knowledge today that has found liars tell the same thing over and over in perfect chronological order. Also ignore that we only assume when Emma knew about polygamy and what Joseph did or did not tell her. 12. Make the insinuation that since Joseph Smith’s father had the same dream found in the Book of Mormon that Joseph somehow stole it, ignoring that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 13. Try to get traction with racial issues. Bring up race and the mark of Cain, which was opinion- don’t realize that you are judging the past by the cultural values of today. Ignore 1 Nephi 17:35-“Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God.” Don’t look at the “bigotry” and violence of the children of Israel, who slaughtered the women and children of other tribes. Don’t consider that the “skin of blackness” was to prevent intermarriage with unbelievers- that unrighteousness was the curse, not dark skin. 14. Assume we know all there is to know about the relatively new science of genetics and where DNA is disbursed, as well as the DNA of the Book of Mormon groups.
I am concerned now about your information here... I am not a Mormon but was doing some studies on the religion that is why I viewed your video. My concern is that you have stressed that native Americans did not have any Jewish background. While visiting a North Carolina Cherokee area the State of North Carolina had a brochure that stated that the Cherokees were found to have the same DNA as the Jews. So by your own statement if there is falsehoods found in one area then how can we trust anything that is said. So, how can we trust anything you are teaching? Please, help me understand...
@@carlroberts7563 I agree there is no such thing as a specific jewish gene many middle eastern people share the same genes maybe the members of the cherokees who had middle eastern had married into a jewish/arab anscestor during the modern era
The Introduction to the book of Mormon claims Joseph Smith translated it fro gold plates. Another LDS site admits it was dictated when Smith had his head in a hat with a seer stone. How silly is that?
Many evangelicals and not all here think you are a cult for being in the Catholic church David. You of all people shouldn't use the word "silly" when knocking down the LDS church. Most evangelicals thinks praying to Mary is silly, or having the water or grape juice literally turning into the blood of Jesus.
System is the problem. Slavery! 🏡 Our Lives Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. 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The CZcams channels: Book of Mormon Central, Scripture Plus, and the Saints Unscripted Channel, specifically their Faith and Beliefs playlists cover these topics, debunk the arguments, clarify history, and provide evidence and more which are brought up. You might say we’re biased, but those who are against us are too. The history and context and full array of information matters.
Rebuttals to all this, perhaps, well meanings guys arguments ,can be found with a a CZcams or Google search. There have been volumes written on the antiquites of North America. You can still visit the mound cities found throughout North America, exactly as described in The Book of Mormon. They've found swords, etc., etc., etc.
But are they ACTUALLY good rebuttals?? And it's very "classic Mormon" of you to cherry pick which points you want to argue on. The character of Joseph Smith, Lehi's dream, the cultural assumptions from Joseph's time found in the BoM. NONE of that can be rebutted with an appeal to ancient American history.
@@Ghithe97 I think they are. I think all of the things you seem to have issues with are things you have heard but not investigated yourself. Maybe try to come and see? Maybe it's best to ask a faith's believers about issues you think their faith has rather than relying on detractor's statements as 100% factual or that they provide all context? I'm just saying, one would be foolish to solely believe a Pharisee's description of Christ, or a Catholic's description of a protestant.
The problem is in the “etc, etc, etc” part. There really is not any solid evidence for the Book of Mormon. No domesticated horses, sheep, goats, cattle’s, pigs, or elephants. No steel armor and swords. No chariots, no wheat. No written records on metal plates, no coins. Etc, etc, etc.
@@ChaChaDancin So by 'solid evidence' you mean no archeological evidence? Or no literary evidence within the Book of Mormon itself? Or are you referring to witness testimony of the plates/translation? Also, what would the threshold you would need to change your mind on evidence of the Book of Mormon? If one thing could be corroborated? Two? Ten? I ask because it seems like you are saying a lack of evidence is evidence of untruth, but since that is a fallacy, I wonder how many things would need to be shown as evidence to be 'solid' in your mind.
@@OntheOtherHandVideos let me turn that around. How many anachronisms would it take before you finally said, “huh, you know what… maybe there is a problem here that I should look at a bit more critically.”
Problem #6 is that the Book of Mormon is a literary orphan. It doesn't have a family of other books that we can see are related to it. Virtually all books occur in literary families. Despite this, it contains a lot of spiritually powerful passages.
Get out your Bible. Where is that Ark of the Covenant again? Where is the evidence that Israelites were ever in Egypt...let alone for 400 years? Evidence of a global flood? Where are Christ's writings...we know he was literate. Yet all we have is second and third hand accounts of what happened decades earlier. Proof? Not there. There is little evidence of many things in both books. These are books of faith to be accepted only on that basis.
@@mr.benedict7671 Still not dealt with the disparate standards of proof you require of the Book of Mormon but not the Bible. Hmmmm...hypocrite? You decide.
@@johnlee1352 I mentioned nothing of the Bible. I'm talking about the Book of Moron, written by a greedy man living in an era when American Christians wanted answers and Smith took advantage of them.
Very well done. An excellent summary and presentation. I attended Roman Catholic Schools for 16 years primarily during the 1960’s and early 1970’s. The students challenged every church teaching. To their credit the religious orders that were our teachers encouraged skepticism and debate. All organized religions ask their members to have faith. Very little, if anything, can be proved. We believe Jesus Christ was God. Certainly, we don’t know. I don’t really think we have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the concept of creator and God. There is such beauty in the beatitudes and the core teachings of Christ that religious practices utilized by Mormons or other denominations seem unimportant and trivial.
First of all, do we don't have direct evidence of Noah's ark or it's location either. There isn't much location based evidence but there is plenty of other kinds like chaismus and ancient semitic naming. Many anachronisms have been shown true as time has gone on.
firstly: Noah’s ark landed at the Ararat mountain range: Genesis 8:1. There is absolutely zero evidence for these advanced civilizations described in the Book of Mormon, not to mention the numerous anachronisms, such as horses in America at the time it was supposedly written.
when he translated the book of mormon aka the golden plates onto paper there was words that didnt exist during his time and these words he was told he never even heard of it so he was given names to put down as place holders
Yes, they are bad. When you worship a god that was once a man and came from another planet you are an idolater. God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333). THE BI BLE The true and living God has said that He is not a man. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent I Samuel 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. Hosea 11:9 for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: Job 9:32 “In truth I know that this is so; But how can a man be in the right [b]before God? “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, That we may go to court together. "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24 "A spirit does not have flesh and bones" - Luke 24:39 I Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. ***** When you deny Jesus Christ and say he is a created being, you are committing blasphemy, a very serious sin. JESUS IS GOD Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.” John 10:33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Col. 2:9 For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Even God called Jesus, God. Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. As a man, Jesus ate, thirsted, slept, wept, prayed to God and died. As God, Jesus rebuked Satan, forgave sin, performed miracles, accepted worship from the people, raised the dead and even raised himself from the dead. John 2:19 It is called the hypostatic union. Jesus said your sins would not be forgiven if you did not believe He was God. John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.” 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Good people do not go to heaven. Jesus said no one is good. You need to be perfect to get into heaven.
The God of the universe is worthy of being worshipped & glorified. Taking part in a fake religion & focusing on yourself instead doesn't seem very wise. God = Truth
Pre Columbian Horses found, same with wheat and barley. Cement buildings as well, hebrew found in Native American symbols and languages. Critics used to expound about 100 anachronisms, now the list is a third of what is once was. Nahom found. Lush earth in Saudi Arabia found as described in Lehis' Journey. Chiasmus. Bat Creek Stone. Hebrew lamps in ground engraved in Fayetteville, Illinois.
If you haven't, check out a follow up video on the Book of Abraham: czcams.com/video/ZgQ5jmAAQzg/video.html
You're not a very honest at heart person are you?
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 6 (LDS critics lied to you) youtube'', see the video from the 30:35 to the 30:45 min mark. This is a demonstration that Joseph Smith translates back to what it was supposed to mean originally. Proper interpretation, in other words. This ALONE debunks your anti-Book of Abraham video. As your anti-Book of Abraham video is based on that the translation from Joseph Smith was supposed to concur with that of the Egyptologists. Actually you'd have to be pretty seriously stupid to have actually have believed that. That video from the 30:35 to the 30:45 min mark demonstrates the proper way to have interpreted.
@John Sluder
You know the Trinity is no where found in the Bible, we believe in the Biblical Godhead.
Romans 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse:
The Godhead is in the Bible, the Trinity is NOT.
Baptizing the dead.
1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Once the great apostasy occurred and God omitted the priesthood keys no baptisms were performed by the authority of God so they didn't count.
John the Revelator was in exile receiving the word of God while Linus was assumed president. If Linus was the authorised president and possessed apostolic power the word of God would of been revealed through Linus. Since John was the only one with the priesthood still alive, when he died in exile the priesthood was gone from the earth. That's why the last scripture in the Bible was recorded by John.
All those unauthorised baptisms are performed so the dead can be released from spirit prison and Christ and his angels preach the gospel to the dead.
John Sluder your a idiot do Catholics see hell do Lutheran see hell do jehovah witness see hell hmm how many are there yea ok
@@danielmoore4024 My friend , How can you teach the Gospel to a person that is physically dead ? You can't.
Peter is talking about People that are Spiritually Dead.
You have to understand where Peter was coming from. He's talking about the Jews who denied that Yeshua was the Messiah
They are dead in Spirit
I loved the Family values I grew up with LDS, but I've accepted that for 200 years we've been living a fraud. I'm gonna get baptized in a Local Lutheran Church ⛪️ 🙏
Better to change to a 2000 year fraud.
May our LORD continue to bless and guide you.
Good. If I were you, I would avoid ELCA churches.
Extremely based
@@calebneff5777 I had to look up “based” in the urban dictionary. Seems so.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
If the church is true it's "the same gospel"
Remember it's the restored church
EricSmyth14 The same restored church that denied priesthood to blacks until 1978.
NO OFFENSE to Latter Day Saints. We are not enemies. I have someone close to me who is a LDS
The book of mormon originated from an angel, right? Whether or not Joseph Smith said the truth, Galatians 1:8-9 is clear that anything that comes from angel or any man, cannot be trusted. THE BOOK OF MORMON'S COVER DID SAY "ANOTHER TESTAMENT" when the Bible is only the 66 books from Genesis to Revelation. Its impossible for God to have multiple truths. It's impossible. We can't believe in the book of mormon and the Bible at the same time. And btw, the Bible was already done waaay before Joseph Smith was born
Proverbs 30:5-6
(King James Version)
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Joseph Smith said "Take away the book of Mormon and where is our religion? We have none"
And btw, about what we are called,
The book of MORMON. Latter Day Saints are called "mormons". That's the name of an angel.
While Christians, it came from the name CHRIST. Which is Jesus Christ. God the Son, the world's Savior, the image of God The Father, etc. Christians are the followers of Christ. We are saved by grace through faith. Not by works, it's a free gift of God. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS. EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. THE BIBLE APPLIES TO EVERYONE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN.
And again, no offense to the latter day saints. We are not enemies. God said that we should love one another
This still doesn't make sense. I'm not a Mormon, but I'm inter-denominational. My theory, is that it's speaking about the Gospels and books of the New Testament. How would another book be contrary unless it directly modifies the Gospels of Christ. The Gospels in the NT are the same ones Mormons follow. And even if you're right, doesn't that mean we should all go back to being Jewish by practice? Since everything past Deuteronomy is changing the words?
Deuteronomy 4:2 (NRSV) You must neither add anything to what I command you nor take away anything from it, but keep the commandments of the Lord your God with which I am charging you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 (NRSV) You must diligently observe everything that I command you; do not add to it or take anything from it.
Proverbs 30:5-6 (NRSV) Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or else he will rebuke you, and you will be found a liar.
Ecclesiastes 3:14 (NRSV) I know that whatever God does endures forever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; God has done this, so that all should stand in awe before him.
Galatians 1:8 (NRSV) But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!
Revelation 1:10-11 (NRSV) I was in the spirit[a] on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
Revelation 22:18-19 (NRSV) I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book; if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
@@knightlykin1499 Actually, your assertion is incorrect that, "The Gospels in the NT are the same ones Mormons follow" The LDS Gospel is completely different from the Biblical gospel. So, they cannot both be right. Christians are going to stick with the eyewitness testimony of those that walked with Jesus rather than a young man in the 18oo's that had a subjective experience that no one can verify.
If the book of Mormon was true, and Jesus had actually come and preached to the natives, then wouldn't the natives had have those stories about Jesus taught to their children and passed down from generation to generation?
They did.
www.amazon.com/He-Walked-Americas-Taylor-Hansen/dp/0964499703
@@Forestgump12able lol
@@HIMYMTR , Why would Christ only be exclusive to the Jewish Nation? He, wouldn't be at all. Even if I or any showed proof? You would deny the truthfulness of it anyway.
Because the book of Mormon says you don't think , you need anymore Bible. Found in 2 Nephi 29.
Obviously it's His Gospel, His books. And, He can have as many books as he desires to have.
John 21:25
Indeed they did
Smith referred to the "Book of Mormon" as "the most correct book of any on earth". Considering that thousands of changes have been made to the book in the last ~200 years, including even its title, maybe it should be called "the most corrected book of any on Earth". That might be more truthful.
Except, the "thousands of changes" are punctuation points, commas and chapters added in. The original manuscript didn't have any of that. The church has made a very strong effort in keeping historical records of all this. If you add those as "changes" you also have an issue with the bible, whose original manuscripts, while in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, still didn't have either, the chapter division we now know and love, or any kind of punctuation, since those ancient languages didn't have it.
So, when you read the comments of some anti-mormon claiming the thousands of changes the book went through, try to zoom in a little closer. Not all of it, but plenty of criticism against the religion can be easily debunked that way.
@@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 sure! This kind of shallow criticism is often leveyed at the Bible, and is rather silly. However, every other point in this video is spot on. Mormons are often good, God-fearing, and zealous people- you should join the Catholic faith, and accept the fullness of the truth.
@@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 copyist errors and punctuation are not the problem and as you pointed out they are also found among biblical transcripts as well. The difference between the two is something that may or may not have crossed your mind and while it may not sound like much but, when you research the difference between methods of transmission and actually understand them, it makes a huge difference.
The four standard works of the LDS church and things like the Quran are what are called controlled text, meaning the Church or religious leaders completely controlled what was saved or taught. This would absolutely make it difficult to notice if someone made changes. The Bible, on the other hand, is what is considered a free transmission of text which means that it was copied and spread so quickly and so far that if someone made a change we would see it in the about 6000 manuscripts that have been found.
I have a copy of the original text from 1830, and there are very few changes at all - other than punctuation and spelling, grammar and format.
@@Fred-mp1vf In the original version of the text, Joe had the typical trinitarian view of God. In later versions, as Joe's view changed, it becomes the current 3 separate and independent version. There are places in the original version where the god-head is referred to in the singular, he, but in later versions it is replaced by the plural, they. There are podcasts on the inconsistencies. You should listen to them. There is also the issue regarding punctuation. In the original manuscript there was none. The BOM has been referred to as the world's longest run-on sentence. The punctuation was supplied by the printer. Punctuation can greatly alter the meaning of sentences. So was the publisher inspired by god?
Joseph's Myth.
joe b wow
@John Coppers man that whole scene is crazy.
@John Coppers I'm sure there's some of those. I'll agree. But just like anything else, you have some on the other side of the fence. I will say that I find happier Mormons than I do Jehovah's witnesses...
@John Coppers it's that wierd psychological thing..like when women fall in love with a serial killer or like you know, that Jim Jones, David Koresh thing. That charismatic thing. Some woman probably learn about joe Smith and say "I'd be his best wife". Feel competitive maybe, and fall for him. It's really screwed up. Especially the beliefs they have. Like wow..."Kolob?"
@John Coppers I hear what you're saying. I always found the mormon religion fascinating not because I believe it..its actually all bull crap. But just the idea that people believe it. That alone is so mind boggling. It's so wierd. Such a far cry from the New Testament. To have the balls to say their book is another testament of Jesus blows my mind. In fact one time I was given a book of mormon...I felt so dirty. i threw it in a dumpster as soon as I could.
I am currently dating a Mormon girl and come from a Christian background. I have struggled with the Mormon ideas and religion as a whole through talking to Mormons about it and talking to my father who has fairly well studied the Bible. This video has sort of further opened my eyes and is encouraging me to dive into the scripture and understand it more. Thank you! And this video is very well out and your arguments are backed by counter arguments and still proven by you. Very well put together. I applaud you
www.achoiceland.com/articles
Run quick
He's dishonest.
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) you tube'', then view video #2 Egyptologists back Smith. Two videos debunking the Egyptologists by presenting proper interpretation. Proper interpretation is Joseph Smith translated in reverse back to a biblical text, the original. I have informed the above dishonest Jordan Cooper of this I have just typed. Jordan Cooper, just like all of the other anti-Mormons, just ignores it.
Dont believe his lies, the book of mormon is true
Please do a video on the Baha’i Faith. Interested about your perspective.
To accept the supposed bahai dispensation, one must first accept that Mohammed is actually a dispensation that came from God and is better than Jesus' dispensation.
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Joseph Smith debunked.
King James
Boom boom bang pow. Good job!
"And I saw another angel..." who preached the same Gospel. BTW - If you want to give a credible Bible critique at least learn the names of the Books. It's "Revelation" -- singular.
David the Prince
This is simply an attempt of the Biblical Fraud Christians to claim a monopoly on the writings of prophets and apostles. They use this passage by Paul as if they are Paul, or as if they are the Galation Saints. But they are neither, and their message is not Paul’s message nor is it like anything the apostles ever preached.
@@berkeyfamily9828 Wasnt preachin a different gospel
@@berkeyfamily9828 Actually it is the same message, and Peter even writes about how Paul's writings are so advanced that they are difficult to understand. Especially for the spiritually bankrupt.
Why am I her-OH.
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andretheinernaut AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE MOST AMAZING BOOK. (ding-dong)
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Do you want to read a book written by Jesus?! 😂
The strangest part to me about mormonism is the emphasis on proper "translation" when we actually have the Greek and Hebrew scriptures. I've read verses to mormon missionaries in Greek with my interlinear Bible and they were a bit dumbfounded. What they're really trying to argue for is transcription, not translation. In which case why the need for extra revelation? Why not just a recovery of the original texts if what's been preserved for thousands of years is "flawed"?
@Studio ALA Thanks, but they were more rhetorical questions meant to point out the errors in the LDS teachings. :) I'm a born-again Christian. I like learning about Mormonism from an academic perspective, but I will in no way embrace the faith.
@@jessicaottis6127 I love studying the evolution of mainstream Evangelical Christianity from a faith promoting perspective and will take the good from it as it all brings you closer to Christ
@@mormonguru5984 which Christ?
@@ChristisLord2023 Not the trinitarian one that Tertualian propagated and then the councils refined in the 4th century. That’s almost three generations after the death of the last apostle. It’s very clear from the Greek philosopher Plato that “trinitas” eventually creeped into Christian theology through Greek mythology.
@@mormonguru5984 what you don't understand, only the bible can show you, God won't share His glory with Joseph Smith so you'll need to separate his teaching from the Word of God found in the scripture of the Bible. I pray that you will find the truth.
The one vegetable that is essential to the natives in the America's is corn which is not mentioned in the BOM
Absence of evidence isn’t the evidence of absence.
corn was not used in North America until post AD. thus it is a witness for the Book of Mormon.
You know what's interesting? You cannot find a single Mormon video sponsored by the Mormon church that has any contrary comments. They simply won't post them. If you do leave a post, you will see it under your own account, but if you have a friend log in and go to the same video link, your comment will not be visible. What are they afraid of? This is, of course, a rhetorical question: They are afraid of the truth. Now that we are living in the information age and can now find definitive proof--with a few mouse clicks--that none of the Book of Mormon events actually happened, the Mormon church has kicked their propaganda machine into high gear. I wonder if it is having any impact.
David King I’m Catholic and my dad is Mormon. He never provides any truth from the Bible, he quotes from the Book of Mormon. If people want to believe what they want that’s okay but I think it just makes them ignorant.
That is interesting fiction. Do honest homework before assssssuming.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints channel will flush out all sinful comments, we know the enemy, we know you only come along to mislead and cause trouble.
Iur Lord and Savior said, let the dead bury the dead, about what others said of John the Baptist.
@@Forestgump12able
"Iur Lord and Savior said, let the dead bury the dead, about what others said of John the Baptist."
I'm not sure why you posted Matthew 8:22 so maybe you could help me understand what you're trying to say. Also, what does this verse say to you?
If Mormons believed in the Bible, they would believe in Galatians 1:6-9.
If Mormons believed in Jesus Christ, they would believe that because He died on the Cross, we do not earn our salvation from works whatsoever, according to Romans 3:10-12.
If Mormons believed in the Trinity, they would believe that God is three persons* in one, not as three separate persons.
If Mormons believed in Jesus Christ, then they should not be earning their salvation by works, that which Ephesians 2:8-9 clearly states.
If Mormons say they are Christian, believe in Jesus Christ, say they have the only truth and the Gospel, they would have tested Joseph Smith’s prophecy from an angel(like 1 John 4:1 says).
Now if any Mormon is reading this, I don’t want any misconceptions about what I’m for, and that is this:
I believe that God created the heavens and the earth, and that he made Angels-some that have even turned away-and humans. Those humans, Adam and Eve, were created to marvel at God and talk with him and live perfectly in the Garden of Eden; however, Satan had turned Adam’s and Eve’s heart to eat the Apple of Knowledge, and committed a sin, thus began the fall of man. This fall had broken God’s heart, and the relationship between God and Man was blotted by Sin. However, God has sent a prophecy and will help overcome the barrier between God and Man, and that prophecy is Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross and bore every sin onto himself as if he committed every single one of them. Later, he rose again, and has went up back to heaven to rule heaven once again. This is so that any, and I mean *any*, person that believes that this is true will truly have eternal life!
Simon,
If you are a mormon, you don't believe in a lunatic god.(3personality 1being)
And because you are not mormon, you believe that you will be save even with out repenting of your sins or restoring any damage you give in your fellow men. (because mormon believe that repentance is one of the principles of the gospel.)
If you say, those mormons are not christians, i would say, YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN MIMIC!!!!
Your are correct. We work out of the Faith. Acronym Following act in trusting Hope
No Faith, no works
Thats it.
@@Forestgump12able "does James 2:17-26 exist, in your own bible"? , "Does Ephesians 2:8-10 exist, in your bible"?," Does Philippines 2:12 not, exist in your bible"?
Saints must work out their salvation.
This Gospel is a works based Salvation, & enduring to the end- Matthew 24:13; Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13;
@@bcg3166 our works is to build a relationship with him, not unto salvation. Not to kills goats and cows or uneccessary rituals to be saved or exalted, works with our hearts will eventually lead to good deeds that's what these scriptures are saying. Most Christians believe in the actions that Jesus told us to do in the bible. Baptism and sacrament which all points to Jesus.
@@Ilovenature872 God exalted his own Son in Philippines.
Great video! Except the end.
Wtf the end was the best part lmao
Good job. Now give us the 5 problems with the New Testament.
Five problems with the BoM? Come on!! Just name all 10,000 of them!!!!
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You see them as problems because you want to, let me reveal that one of the things people says contradicts actually doesn't contradict.
We say we can't be forgiven for murder.
Alma 24:9-10
9 And behold, I also thank my God, that by opening this correspondence we have been convinced of our sins, and of the many murders which we have committed.
10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son.
That's not a contradiction if you study it as a whole.
Alma 24:13
13 Behold, I say unto you, Nay, let us retain our swords that they be not stained with the blood of our brethren; for perhaps, if we should stain our swords again they can no more be washed bright through the blood of the Son of our great God, which shall be shed for the atonement of our sins.
Verse 9 &10 are talking about the time they were following the wicked traditions of their fathers not knowing anything about the word of God.
Then once they heard the word of God they would not be forgiven for murder anymore.
"they can no more be washed bright"
God is more merciful and tolerant towards those who don't know his word and ways because how can they follow ways they've never been taught?
Those who do know his ways know because he has revealed that knowledge to them and he won't suffer them to treat that knowledge too lightly.
@HEAVEN IS 4 REAL um really. How no ties between American Indians and jews, how about the animals listed never existed in the bom times. How about the 1776 translation errors. How about no skeletons of millions of deaths. The list goes on.
If the Mormon church was the true church they would have 1.2 billion members like the Catholic Church
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL Just stop. The whole premise of the Book of Mormon has been proved false by dna tests showing natives from america are not from the Middle East. They’re from Asia. The lies need to stop. Research your crappy church more and stop being so ignorant
@@leeleviner8159
What's your point?
I'm well aware of the different editions of The Book of Mormon just like the different editions of the Bible, the version you've shared doesn't give a different message, it gives the same message I've written above.
It's the teachings that matter, some parts were edited to make it easier to understand for modern readers, probably one of the reasons the Bible has different editions.
Again, what's your problem? Or like others I come across, are you just a hateful trouble causer?
Have you read the whole Book of Mormon? Tell me please, just this simple question, what is the over arching theme of “The Book of Mormon” (The Stick of Joseph)?
Whats that Ezekiel 37, 15
Stick of Joseph and of Judah.
The Book of Mormon, another Testifier of Jesus the Christ. And of The Holy Bible the Stick of words Judah of the Jewish Prophets. We did get the Holy Bible from the Jewish Prophets, but yet claim as americans, it is our Book.
@@Forestgump12ableIt is obvious you have not read. Ezeiel chapter 37 in exegesis a critical study of that chapter in Hebrew and Greek it is only a stick , not a scroll
God is telling Ezekiel to bring the two Kingdoms together and make than one Kingdom
The sticks represented two kingdoms not books
Basically you've been lied to.
The simple over arching message of the Book of Mormon another Testament of Jesus Christ is at the beginning of the Book. It is called Title Page. It was Written to/for the Convincing of the Jews, Gentiles and the Lamanites that the Bible is true. That God has/is Merciful to man kind. That the Church that espouses the Book is the Church, restored previous to the second coming of Jesus Christ. That because of this, you ought to believe the Prophesy of Daniel in Chapter 2 of the bible. That God is going to set up his Kingdom on earth in the Latter Days. That is going to grow and consume other religions because it is true and ok f God. Thank you for you interest kind sir.
@@Forestgump12able Re: Daniel chapter 2
I don't know who your teachers are , but Daniel 2 has nothing to with Mormonism. Daniel. Chapter 2 is talking about. Babylon Medes and Persia, Greek and Rome. and the Great Tribulation
You seriously have to study the context in exegesis.
The Holy Bible has nothing to do with Smith's book and that's because the BoM is Religious Fiction. I've read it
The Holy Bible has two testaments
66 books and 40 authors.
That is the completion of God's Word. Which are Divinely Written
The true Church is God's Kingdom and all can come unto him that believe in the Creator of all things
It's not the Mormon , Catholic or Protestant churches It's HaShem the only requirement repent and come unto the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords Creator of the Universe.
Peace
@@binren3984 I love you
A priest debunking a religious text as being made up seems ironic.
Do A general overview of the bom
glad to see you making more content on CZcams
If you could do a video on Seventh Day Adventist that would be greatly appreciated!
There are many videos on SDA s on CZcams from well-known teachers .
Sam shamoun is one of them
YOU have much more education that Joseph Smith... SHOW the world that you can write such a book in 3 months
Joseph Smith plagiarized.
He was also mentally ill.
Faye Lewis how was the Book of Mormon plagiarized? What’s your source? What evidence do you have Joseph suffered from any mental illness? Both of those are simply not true.
@@rogalskyj there are whole sections of the BoM that are exactly like sections in "The Book of Napoleon"..also sections that are exactly like the KJV bible in which the 'errors" of the KJV are in the BoM. the KJV is a TRANSLATION of the scriptures, so if the BoM were divinely inspired and joseph was the prophet who wrote it down, surely god wouldve made sure the same mistakes from the KJV woudnt appear in the BoM, since it wasnt translated by ordinary men.. the BoM has been "revised" several times from the edition published in the 1830's. a simple google search will show this. heres a link to a video done by a guy who left the mormon church. it is long and sometimes hard to follow because he is a "tech" kinda guy, but he has great info and has researched this for years. get some popcorn, sit down and watch
czcams.com/video/GAGasQ7j_ZI/video.html
ur kidding right? theres thousands of great books written in a shorter time than 3 months. it isnt hard to do when a story is made up. however it is hard to do when something is factual. even if the BoM were true, it contradicts the teaching of the mormon church and vice versa. a simple google search will turn all this up for u. just google "book of mormon contradictions"....surely u have enough education to do that much.
@@caman171
I notice that these pathetic internet sources are useless, type the opposite and you'll get results as well. It's plain foolish to base decisions on truth on what you see on the internet.
Sites and videos you share are based on interpretations of flawed thinking humans trusting their own understanding even though the Bible says we shouldn't lean on our own understanding.
According to my interpretation of the scriptures they don't contradict. The interpretations of people contradict, not the scriptures themselves.
Some people think Luke 16:16 proves there's never to be true prophets again, when you look at the rest of the scriptures that's obviously a false interpretation.
God always revealed his Word through prophets, God was still revealing his Word after Christ's time on earth.
Peter was a prophet, Acts 6:7 says "And the word of God increased;"
If you do agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, you must believe God can increase his word today and forever just like he could yesterday.
You all deny that truth just as the Pharisees did.
There is scientific and cultural evidence of precolmbian horses in the Americas. Horses article title “Yes world, there were horses in Native culture before the settlers came” “Collin also drew from interviews with American Indian study participants from seven different Nations. Every indigenous community that was interviewed reported having horses prior to European arrival, and each community had a traditional creation story explaining the sacred place of the horse within their societies.”
I tried to read the book of mormon, impossible, it makes no sense. It reads, like a guy with his face in his hat, wrote it. Maybe a couple rocks were in the hat too.
I'm glad that you are sharing your views without being insulting to LDS beliefs. But you probably need to do more research if you want to speak on another religion. There is really good scholarly work out there that answers the five matters you've raised. Seems like you have a very surface level view of the history and facts.
what is the scholarly work
Danielle Strafford perhaps if you’re not aware on the work being done by both LDS and non LDS scholars you shouldn’t be posting about this topic. You could start with Fair Mormon.
@@johnsonmckay8820 You made the claim of "really good scholarly work" and so should have posted references. Just replying "if you’re not aware on the work being done by both LDS and non LDS scholars you shouldn’t be posting" is a very closed-minded and illogical way to answer a justifiable question about your claim of scholarly work. The only things I have found even weakly supporting the BoM come from LDS apologists and church funded researchers/professors. Cite me an archaeologist not trying to prove some link to the BoM but simply doing research in any part of South/Central/North America that stumbled upon some peer-reviewed evidence of the BoM.
@@johnsonmckay8820 Explain this: czcams.com/video/hZIptfaNWO8/video.html
Hugh Nibley. The original, still the best years after his passing. “Lehi in the Desert/There were Jaredites”; “An Approach to the Book of Mormon”; “Mormonism and Early Christianity”; “The World and the Prophets”. That will keep any real scholar busy for about, say, three years.
Seth Rogen out here teaching about the Book of Mormon 😂
gold.
Great video! Really helpful.
I'm part of the x club, thank you I am a born again Christian and I'm very grateful I came to learn the truth about the call that I was born into and was apart of for the first 29 years of my life, Iremember hearing in the early seventies and singing songs about the Native Americans unfortunately some of the members of our church who are native American bought into it also oh, I remember one of them caught up and describe how they were very happy to learn that they were descendants of the lamanites oh, of course they taught that in our Sunday School classes and songs that we sang until the 1980s when did Mormons had to put a spin on everything to cover their historical onconsistencies have a glass for me that is spewed out by its leadership, even to this day they don't want to give up their high positions just as the Pharisees didn't want to admit their old mistakes during the time of Jesus Christ was walking and teaching his ministry on the Earth, no human being should have to jump through a bunch of hoops to know who Jesus Christ is just as Christ said to the Pharisees they were all going to hell, those who mislead the children of God who just so happened to be uninformed Mormons into jeopardy with the word of Christ are also called false prophets, they are the worst, they shall stand before God and his judgement and I pray today beg for forgiveness from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ before it's too late
If you believe god will punish ppl for being tricked and raised into mormonism then you worship a monster.
They have a song called Praise the man. They praise Joseph Smith.
But God says: "Don´t rely on men's knowledge."
That's right Joseph Smith was a man. A corrupt man
Says a God who does not have the decncy to show himself to me.
The Bible is written by man the fucking irony
@@MiltonRosso
Why should God come to your beck and call ? You claim to be an Atheist
@@edluisrivera3317 There were 40 authors. Agreed men.most were righteous men who penned while in the Spirit of God or God Breath.
Throughout the Holy Bible there have been prophecy that has come true. And there has been prophecy lately that came true.. And still more prophecy to come.
Although 40 men pen the words but they are God Breath
Peace
I saw something recently that said ancient ruins resembling Egyptian ruins had been discovered in tennesee.
Cap
I saw something recently that said the moon is made of green cheese.
I just saw a video on the BOM but the video summary mentioned ishmael in 600 BC, so i came from trying to see if it was true to looking up, "debunking the book of mormon." And i found this video.
My Mormon (now ex) boyfriend broke up with me because of his religion on Christmas Eve. He played me for a fool saying he didn't know why we got together in the first place.
Now, I'm looking at all these videos just to feel better lol
Psychosomatic- Ecstasy haha good riddance.
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Not sure what your title implies?
You did not need to be with him anyways because the Mormons brainwashed people they are a cult! You need to find yourself a true Christian Bible believe in man.
well that a good reason, Joseph everyone for a fool
All things about life is not only in our appearance but the more significance is hidden. We only find it if we are spiritually uplifted.
krish Symphonic...
Nothing can justify the lie that the Mormon religion embraces and teaches. Unfortunately for the Mormon religion it is fraught with contradictions, obfuscations and blatant lies. Research will reveal to you that what I say is true.
zen 101 its depends upon what kinda of mind and heart that we have. Are we a empty vessel or full! Are we hunger or are we thrust! Our desire to follow the Lord can Justyfy to us and everyone. NO one who claim to be perfect is not. If somebody see its lie let him/her to be tested first and see the fruits from God. They may be edified to prepare for the true.
zen 101
The lasting joy of the Saints that starts with a testimony from God, that the Book of Mormon is the testament of the Prophet Joseph Smith in this last dispensation, justifies it all. All the persecution and defaming can be endured because of the power of the witness of the Holy Ghost. Doubt is replaced with hope, which you are sorely lacking, *zen 101.*
Berkey Family...
Mormonism teaches good moral principles, it has given people hope and for some a life that they like living. But it's all false.
The Book of Mormon was supposedly a testament of Jesus Christ, not Joseph Smith. If the Smith story falls apart then so does the entire foundation of the church. Moroni 10:4 is used to boost a pre-conceived idea.
Smith didn't even use the gold plates for translating the B.O.M. He used a peepstone in a hat. (the factual story which missionaries are taught at the MTC to completely avoid).
Church records of history are evidence that prove Smith to be a charlatan, an con man and a pedophile. The history of Joseph Smith speaks for itself. He married 14 year old children, behind Emma's back!!. If it were for an honorable cause, then why so secret?. Why was it necessary for Smith to have to warn Emma to accept polygamy in D&C 132, lest she would be "damned"?.
He always had revelations whenever he was in the shit to justify his evil behaviour.
When the church employed academic researchers who dug up the factual past of Smith what was discovered was very disturbing, and after 2010 the church suffered a flood of people to leave. The hemorrhaging hasn't stopped.
Then the church went into damage control and got Daniel Petersen to lead F.A.R.M.S, which later failed to stop the stem of the exodus of it's members., Petersen was fired. Thus the church disbanded FARMS and another pack of self apologetic clowns formed FairMormon and lds.org.
The church has been into damage control for decades now and the internet has revealed the facts that we were never taught and revealed the massive fraud the Mormon Church has always been.
The church leaders emphasize honesty and integrity but they all preach from a hypocritical pulpit.
Smith was a fraud, and the Holy Ghost testifies that the Church is NOT true.
zen 101
How can “it all” be false and yet inspire and motivate people to live “good lives?” Aren’t you being over zealous with you claim against the Latter-day Saints? If the fruits of the Latter-say Saints is “good morals,” from whence do these fruits come? A bad tree?
I have a couple more for you: The chronology is all messed up. Examples:
Nephi, son of Helaman the Second was elected Chief Judge by the people at the age of 5. This is doesn't appear to be intentional, as the tale reads that he was a good judge, strong in the faith, but a few pages earlier his birth date is given to be just 5 years prior. Apparently Joseph forgot his own timeline. (Helaman, chapter 3)
Later a speech is recorded, which Helaman gave his twin sons, Nephi and Lehi, but they had to have been 4 years old or less, yet the talk reads as if given to young adults.
Later, toward the end of the book, Ammaron, brother of Amos the record keeper, if you follow the time line, had to had lived about 290 years.
There are probably plenty more time mistakes but those are two that stand out.
You are misreading the scripture. Helaman had two sons, and in the 46th year of the reign of the judges "And they began to grow up unto the Lord." They weren't born and grown up all in one year.
@@johnmainwaring6556 Every individual must follow their own journey of belief or disbelief. I can't convince anyone, they have to discover themselves the truth to make it life-changing.
Also, the book in which Ammaron is mentioned covers the span of 200+ years in about two pages or less. I think it egregious to think that chronologically, in a book that mentions many names in the span of 200+ years you claim to say that this man lived 200 years.
Also, maybe check your logic out the door. Abraham lived 180 (and many others much more) according to the Bible.
The best biography of Joseph Smith is "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brodie. I believe it is out of print but copies are available online.
I love how people talk like they know what they are talking about and Joseph Smith was 13
Joseph smith was the L ron Hubbard of his day .
L Ron Hubbard couldn't hold a candle to Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was President of the church, Prophet and Seer, Architect, General, Mayor, Magazine Editor, Banker, Hotelier, and expert on Egyptian. He healed the sick, and cast out devils, and prophesied of things to come. He was the hand of the Lord.
Robert Rosskopf he was definitely not an expert on Egyptology everything you described were things Joseph Smith called and gave himself. Things you forgot were that Joseph Smith was a criminal, a murderer, a conspirator, a conman, a pedophile, a polygamist, a false prophet, and a polytheist bigamist.
comparison to scientology?... That is funny, What a joke...
russell nichols it’s a pretty easy comparison it’s the 20th century version of Mormonism. Not much different when you get down to it except Joseph Smith copied rituals from Freemasons and L Ron Hubbard created all his own rituals.
He was the Muhammad of his day.
Only 5?
A good place to start.
Actually issue with topic #5... 2006 not the 1980’s was the change to the introduction page for the BoM
Doctor so can we read that book of Mormon as a Christian fiction because their videos on CZcams are awesome but I don't like some of their doctrines because they are so dumb I only believe in Bible and everything it says but when I see their videos some of their quotes are awesome for a Christian fiction stories.
We should not read anything that has antichrist spirit
this is a great video! very informative. thanks for posting hope you post more!!
Yea I just watched on Mormon site that they believe Jesus appeared after his resurrection to his disciples in the Holy land to the ppl's in the ancient Americas and preached the gospel and they wrote it down and passed it thru generations until the tablets were dug up by Joseph and translated n it was almost the same as original and they used his scripture from the bible about having other sheep in other lands. So from the start your belief is different from what the Mormon site I just watched said was their belief about the book of Mormon and religion.
ALMOST thye same???
Thank you for this, Mormonism needs to be exposed. No historian or archeologist has validated the B of M, not one artifact has been found, not a weapon, utensil's, etc.
No one has seen God; Mormonism is not a Christian religion. This is all true, excellent video.
I grew up in the Catholic Church but also attended the Mormon Church. Even as a young kid red flags were raised by the book of Mormon. It’s incredible what people are willing to dismiss or turn a blind eye to for salvation.
Have you actually studied The Book of Mormon - Another Testament of Jesus Christ, and prayed to know if it's true? I have. And I bear solemn witness that it is true. See Ecclesiastes 1 :13 😊
@@Fred-mp1vfyes and I came to the conclusion that it isn't true , but I respect your decision
@@Fred-mp1vfhave you done the same for the sealed portion?
Didn’t the JW’s start in New York also?
Yes! In Brooklyn New York.
I've just started reading the book of Mormon and I pick up on point #4 right away... I immediately thought the writing style was not like the ancient Hebrew writing style the we see consistently in the Old Testament, but seem more modern.
yes thats because joe smith plagerised bible readings even the words of jesus are placed in a timeline of 600BC the book of mormon is plagerised bullshit
Right? The very first thing that jumped out at me when I read some of it for research was the writing style. It reads like a sad imitation of scripture. Not at all inspired by God, but really on the contrary...
Yeah more like the Gnostics than Jesus
We’re you expecting a direct word for word translation like Spanish to English?
That would make no sense to the person reading it
@@jessicaottis6127 A direct word for word translation like Spanish to English would be really hard to read and comprehend. Are you bilingual?
I am reading it right now and I am so tired of reading the phrase "and it came to pass"
Where are the sources on Joseph Smith's life?
My whole issue is the whole “skin color “ where if you have darker skin you soul must be bad. I’ve asked this to many Mormons and they all tell me that elders misinterpreted it and now that they are back on the right track anyone can join. They would refuse people of color from entering the temple. I’m sorry but weren’t the very first Christians the Chaldeans and Africans?
Exactly. The call Mormonism the "Restoration." Well what did they restore except racism and misogynistic polygamy?
It’s a very easy cover up to say that the elders misinterpreted the words of Joseph Smith when it came to race. That shows how inconsistent their religion is. How can a prophet contradict a previous prophet?
Joseph smith ordained black converts to the priesthood, fyi. It was later, due to common Christian teachings that Cain was cursed and his skin became black as a sign of his curse that led to Brigham young following the perceived teaching and then denying priesthood advancement until the church leaders finally refuted that teaching. The Book of Mormon nor the church teach racism. Most members are outside the US and are not white. God loves all races. Don’t fool yourself that Mormons teach otherwise.
i think one of the most damning anachronisms you didn't mention is the Isaiah chapters quoted that wouldn't have possibly been in Nephi's plates he took from Laban because they would have been written after Lehi left Jerusalem ( look up Deutero-isaiah in the book of mormon). great summation though!
Isaiah was born between 800-700 BCE
yes ive seen it, im non mormon
You cannot possibly investigate the Mormon persuasion thoroughly, then turn around and say that the church isn't true.
One doesn't have to try very hard to find "no evidence" for something.
Jesus stands alone the Prince of peace.. Father, Son Holy Spirit.. The creator and lover of our souls
Jesus is the son of God. Part of the deity. The apostles taught about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Too Legit To Quit . Jesus said it many times. Why was he crucified, hello? Because he referred to himself as son of God, which in the Hebrew language means “God”. It is found in Mathew 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. He referred to himself as the I am. Joseph Smith was found to be a polygamist, was found to be a drunk, was committing scrying which is witchcraft, which the Bible condemns. How did Joseph Smith die? Spreading the gospel of love? no. He died in a gun battle in prison, with men he had swindled and betrayed. Please leave the cult and come to Christ. All that I mentioned, you can review yourself. Why would God call a person that was into scrying to call with a special vision.
@Too Legit To Quit . Oh really, if those supposed discrepancies of the Bible will not allow you to believe, the whole Bible story, then you are not opening your mind, to the many prophecies foretold about Jesus birth and ministry, betrayal, and resurrection. My friend you need faith to believe in the Bible, like you need, and more to believe that the elements of life sprung on its own, millions of years ago by some mystic power. I believe, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. It was planned and designed.
@Too Legit To Quit . Well, unfortunately, you were fed only religion when you were growing up. Salvation, is a relationship with the creator through his son Jesus Christ, which was prophesied to be Emmanuel, or God with us. Just to point something out, of all accounts of special people in history, the accounts of the life of Jesus were the most accurate. Some were written very close to his death and resurrection. As close as 30 years, from those that were around Jesus himself. It was documented that more than 500 witnesses saw him alive after his resurrection. Many of the original manuscripts can still be found. The key evidence that he is God, he arose from the dead like he said he would. His body was never found, to disprove the resurrection. Choose to not believe if you want, but there is a lot of evidence He is the truth, like his Word. Jesus loves you, and he is still at the door of your heart knocking, if you will open, he will come in and have a relationship with you, but if you don't, you will find out the hard way.
@Too Legit To Quit . OK, I know I am saved and will enter heaven and how do I know this? because I know the Father, through his son Jesus Christ. The answer is in John 3:16. See man was separated from God because of sin. For the wages of sin is death (Rom 3:23) but Jesus, being perfect, took our place upon the cross, so if by faith we believe in that sacrifice, it brings true forgiveness and by it salvation. It does not mean you will be perfect, but the Lord will make a way to help you be more like him. God's desire is that you will be and know you are saved. I can give you more information if you are interested. my desire is to not win an argument, but for you to have salvation and know the joy and peace it will bring.
An excellent brief introduction to the topic. Worth showing to LDS Missionaries and asking what they think about it. The Mormon religion rests on two pillars : Joseph Smith and he Book of Mormon. When examined critically, they collapse quicker than a pack of cards.
And if an atheists puts out his top 5 generic criticisms of Christ and the Bible in an 11 minute video, would you also say he is justified in saying that "When examined critically, they collapse quicker than a pack of cards"? Or would you say that the atheist did a vast oversimplification of the topics at hand and cherry picked points to prove his preconceived notions?
@@OntheOtherHandVideos Every atheist knows that God exists.
@@fayelewis5476 And by that same logic, does every Christian know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's restored Church on the earth today?
That would be cool if it were the case, but I don't think either is true to life.
@@OntheOtherHandVideos Every true Christian knows that the LDS church is not God's restored church. (Simple logic tells you otherwise.)
More importantly, the BOM fits nowhere into the timeline of the Old Testament.
@@fayelewis5476 Haha, have you read it just to make sure? I'd highly recommend it. :D
Isnt it easier just to skip all the commentaries, an go straight to the video of JOESPH SMITH IN HELL, which basically sums it up
The three accounts of Paul's conversion in just the Book of Acts all say different things. The first says the men with Paul heard a voice, then in Acts 22 he says the men with him didn't hear a voice and then in Chapter 26 what Jesus tells him after he tells him to get up is totally different. In the first two accounts, he is told to go to Ananias. In the last he is told he will be going to the Gentiles.
But his contradicting account is in the Bible, so he'll get a pass hmmmm
Or did Joseph Smith accidentally eat psilocybin?
Maybe
Didn't you know? His favorite foods were rotten meat and feces! His friends would tell him DUDE STAND SOMEWHERE ELSE AND QUIT BREATHING!
This is funny.. I've heard the same. My buddy just had a transformative experience with psilocybin... He said he spoke to God and saw colors that didn't have names...... He said there was no doubt, after his experience, that JS had the same.... Interesting.
Hope people will wake up and try to find the truth.
And if they are humble and sincere, they will find it if they let the Holy Spirit guide them. At least read The Book of Mormon - Another Testament of Jesus Christ, before dismissing it because of what others have said. 😊
Who wrote the Book of Mormon?
Who wrote the Book of Mormon, Dr. Cooper? Enquiring minds want to know.
look up “how the book of mormon was written” there’s a lot of theories. most of them conclude that smith got inspiration from his version of the KJV aswell as a book called The View Of Hebrews.
Joseph Smith wrote the book. Most of the contents was plagiarized from several different sources.
Amazing how Mormon theology changes with the wind. When US. Congress refused to allow Utah statehood, due to polygamy & pedophilia, God came to the Mormon church and told them to give up multiple wives & sex with children... In1978, Jessie Jackson led a planned Salt Lake City protest of Blacks non admission to the priesthood & the temple. 100,000 Black men were organizing a protest in Utah of racist Mormon church teachings; Then, that same year, God then came to the Mormon church and told them black people were now okay. For 180 years, Mormon church taught hateful things towards Gays. Now in 2023, after bad press, God has told the Mormon church to back off the condemnation of Gays...Interesting timing of God's revelations & heat the Mormon Church was feeling.
I love the book of Mormon with the fiction stories in it :)
PUPPIES LIVE FEED it's fun to play BoM drinking games. Take a shot each time it says "and it came to pass.." !
PUPPIES LIVE FEED You can do shots of espresso if you're not a drinker. That's fun too.
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And it came to pass that I took 100,000 shots of espresso, and died.
I guess you're all talking about the musical then lol
@@filminginportland1654 yes ive read it and the words so it came to pass are mentioned a lot it may have been old joe could not think of anything to write, o and by the way where are the golden plates surely these should be in a museum at that particular time there was a lot of fictional ancient history novels published so he most likely plagerised some other book
The reason I personally don't believe that Joseph Smith was visited by the Lord God and Jesus Christ. Because that's not normal, even the disciples never had this type of visitation.
Paul.had visitation but it was Jesus Christ directly confronted him, with a very clear and specific message. Paul didn't bring any different messages but continued with same theme, thats why other disciples had no problems to accept him.
Secondly, Joseph Smith was told to dug the earth to find the tablet with message. I personally think it is mockery of our God who gave 10 commandments on the mountain with all that Holiness and reverence to God. Moses was called on the mountain, then why Joseph Smith was asked to dug the earth to find this tablet.
The book he wrote has no connections with the already given bible.
Lastly, the bible in Hebrew 1,1,2 says in Sundry times God spoke to our forefathers through prophets but in these last days He has spoken to us through His son.
Very clearly that the Lord Jesus Christ was the last voice sent at the end of the age.
We know the period of prophets came to conclusion 400 yrs before the first arrival of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ came with the message of salvation.
Then he died to destroy the power of sin and death which caused people to be disobedient to the voice of God.
Jews utterly failed to please the Lord God almighty and take His name to the uttermost part of the world therefore they are out of picture. Prophets time ceased.
Therefore I personally believe those who came after Jesus Christ were not accepted by the Jew's nor by the christians. Therfore they remained antichrist.
Who is antichrist but who deny the divinity of Christ, His crucifixion, burial and the resurrection.
Just think about the following
Islam came 650 yrs after Christianity
Mohammad claimed that he was visited by Gabriel. Obviously there is lots of controversy on that, because he didn't know what actually was happening to him. He was acting like he is demon possessed, like he was having seizures etc. His wife khadija who.was 15 years older a Catholic nun told him that its Gabriel that has visited him.
Anyhow, he claimed that Gabriel told him that Jew's and the christians have got it all wrong Therefore he must bring the truth.
Result Jew's and the christians rejected the claim because nothing sounded biblical to test this spirit. And we know the rest of the Islamic story.
Then comes Russell Taze who founded jehovah witness
He also claimed that Jew's, christians, and now Islam added in the claim got it wrong. No Jew's or the christians accepted the claim. They deny the divinity of Christ and don't believe that the Holy Spirit is a person and God.
Then comes LDS
Again claimed the same thing
Jews, christians, Islam, JWs, got it wrong and he must bring the truth.
Now we only have to decide who is right among themor all of them got it wrong because they didn't believe the finished work of the Cross.
Didn't believe that Jesus Christ came redeemed His people and went up after empowering them.with Holy spirit to carry on the great commission until He returns again.
I will leave this to the readers.
If you want to live with Jesus Christ forever then simply embrace Jesus Christ and be busy in sharing the gospel and soon Jesus Will return and gather us to Himself.
God bless
I'm not mormon but you can find dirt on all the prophets. Anybody actually weather its fabricated or just norms of the era.. Just saying.🤷♂️
There is also one more problem regarding Book of Mormon, which is that there is not one Native American
Indian language in the same language family as Hebrew, or Aramaic, or even ancient Egyptian( all Native
American Indian languages have language families of their own)!
That is true, nephi literally says they speak and write a different language and that changed and adapted over 1500 years
Check out Brian Stubbs work showing the similarities between the Uto-Aztecan language family with ancient Semitic languages. The similarities are statistically significant and quite amazing.
All I can say to this is, Amen.
josaph smith was only a boy when he was met with the question which is the true church he gets on his knees and bows his head and prays he was only a 14 year old when this all happen
Do you not understand that before the great flood, that all that earth was one until God broke it up?
8:57 Clarification, I think you mis-spoke. It was claimed that the people of the _BoM_ were the American Indian's ancestors.
It was the introduction of the BoM published in 1981 that said the BoM people were "the principle ancestors of the American Indians." It was revised in 2006 to say "among the ancestors of the American Indians".
As for the Mezo-American setting for the BoM, as far as I'm concerned, anachronisms don't matter, geographical correlations don't matter, even finding settlements don't matter. This is the red herring Mormon apologists _want_ you to be concerned with. They would _love_ for people to buy into the BoM being in a small, limited setting on the western hemisphere somewhere.
Ether 13:2-8
The Book of Mormon relies on the flood of Noah being a _global_ event. The reference above talks about the flood affecting the western hemisphere. Any living things or people who would have been there would have been killed in the flood. The book _necessitates_ that _all_ Native Americans came from the Book of Mormon people.
The claim is too specific to be reconciled with the science. If the out-of-Africa model for human migration is correct, then the Book of Mormon _can't_ be true.
Thomas Davis even as a Latter Day Saint, I would disagree that the Lehites were the only Native Americans post-flood. Simply because their record is the only one we really have does not preclude there being other peoples coming to the Americas anciently that we do not have records of.
for my idea i think u should finished reading this book before u said
@@martinreid2352 Hi. Lehites? Is that a current LDS term? Never heard it. Believe what makes sense to you and live by it. I was totally Mormon from 1955-1983 and Nobody in church or Conference, Nobody I read and I read hundreds, and Nobody anywhere around me thought Lamanites were only some small part of Native American ancestors. I listened to Hugh Nibley at least 30 times and even he never put this "well, maybe it's only part of them" forward. That's a recent idea, not Joseph's. The Lamanite survivors were the Indians. End of story. Do you believe they had submarines 2500 years ago, as Ether tells us?
@@martinreid2352 evidence is clear that humans have continuously lived throughout the Americas for many thousands of years, before and after the mythological global flood, for which there is no evidence of impacting the America’s. Yet one more nail in the BoM’s coffin. Sorry bro.
Very well explained.. I wish i could have that talent... Till now nothings happen to me😢
Saints unscripted explains a lot of things, I suggest watching them.
There are a lot of biblical places that no one knows where they are.
The Bible is missing books and texts, and before being compiled exchanged so many hands.
2:00 mud flood ?
No… please no… Tartaria is a myth
I thought this was about the musical ~
It is.
The Book of Mormon also has italicized words from Bibles made at the time to allow it to be read more easily. A book from the past would not include this.
Can someone tell me where in the bible does it teach us to pray to see if something is true
The text Mormons use is James 1:5.
thanks. read the whole passage. still don't make sense to me why they would use that verse.
@@DrJordanBCooper
There's a lot more verses giving the teaching to ask God.
Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door will be opened.
When you want knowledge of God who do you ask? Where do you look? And who's door do you knock on?
You probably just knock on a pastor's door while we knock on God's door.
That's what you think!
Well, I was considering to give this book a try but when you mentioned that it refers to black people as cursed and if a person was Holy became white. I'm gonna pass. Thank you for this informative video
The concept of black people being a curse in scripture is the basis European Christians, Semitic North Africans, and Islamic Arabs used are varying points over 1800 years to justify enslaving black Africans. It's not unique to Mormonism. Jehovah's Witnesses preached that blacks wouldn't enter Paradise, until the WTS later changed their minds in the early 1970s. Their earlier literature spoke of white superiority and Aryan strengths. The Mormons are not alone in their teachings, proving their thoughts were those of men. Still, the sentiment of blacks as cursed by God is one these religions were founded on through upbringings by other Abrahamic faiths over the centuries.
@@arkoisagoodboy Well, I'm Christian, and I'm black, I'm yet to find where the scriptures/Bible says black people where cursed by God
So you are going to pass something because of another person's opinion on something, not because you want to form your own opinion? How weak.
@@activelifetransformation8414
Deuteronomy chapter 28 read the whole chapter
@@arkoisagoodboy the bible wasn't written by whites
Responding to the five problems:
1. There's copious amounts of evidence, you just haven't looked. And just because there's disagreement among mormons doesn't mean there isn't merit to the theories put forth. You also have to take into account that there isn't all much we know about ancient mesoamerica period. So, just because the book of mormon talks about things we haven't found yet, doesn't mean they didn't actually exist. And while there is a good number of things we haven't found yet, there are also things we have found which would be astronomical coincidences for Joseph Smith to just make up statistically speaking. As a quick example, what's your secular explanation for Nahom, pray tell?
2. Practically the same as my response to the first, so I'll address some of your more specific points here instead. Sheep, goats, and cattle do natively exist in the Americas. Ever heard of bighorn sheep, or llamas, or buffalo? As for horses, horses actually evolved in the Americas, but were hunted to extinction by native populations so that they didn't exist in the new world any longer by the time Columbus arrived. However, we have discovered evidence of horses existing in the Americas far predating Columbus, and even evidence of horses existing in the time period after the book of mormon, but before Columbus. (400-1400 AD) However it is true that we haven't found evidence of horses that dates to the book of mormon era (600 BC - 400 AD) but we've found evidence of horses both before and after that period, so it's only really a matter of time. However, judging by how the book of mormon describes horses (ruminant animals used only as beasts of burden and never as mounts or war horses, the way Joseph Smith thought of horses) it's likely that "horses" were just what the Nephites called them, and they weren't actually horses. Ever heard of a river horse? That's what the greeks called hippos (and in fact is what hippopotamus translates to) cultures often name new species after animals they are more familiar with instead of giving them new names. Sea horses for example, look nothing like horses. American indians when they saw horses for the first time, called them deer, because that's what they reminded them of. So book of mormon horses were probably either llamas or tapirs. (tapirs can get to be about the size of a donkey, and actually don't look that far off. At least more similar than hippos are to horses.) Moving on, there is evidence of metal work in the americas. And while you probably won't find what us modern people call steel, there very well could be something an ancient people call steel, because the word "steel" is far older than the material it describes in the modern day, which really didn't come into prominence until the last few hundred years. So all mention of steel found in the bible would also have to be discounted. You mention chariots, and this is where you expose yourself as someone who hasn't actually examined the book of mormon, and has instead just skimmed or googled talking points. Because the only time chariots are ever mentioned in the book of mormon, is when Nephi is directly quoting from the book of Isaiah in the bible. It is never said that chariots existed in the new world. And even if it did, the word chariot in Hebrew doesn't necessarily refer to the Ben Hurr chariots we think of it, and instead just roughly means vehicle, something you ride for transport or to carry things. I was also going to mention how we've found native domesticated cultivars of barley in the americas, but you actually mentioned that yourself, so good on you.
3. This point is also incredibly flawed, but the amount of historical evidence I would have to cite in order to properly push back on this point would take far too long, so I will simply have to ask you to do a bit of your own research on the other side of the issue, if you want more detail on how Joseph was trustworthy in this regard. Now, Joseph was human, just like all of us, and made a lot of mistakes. There are entire sections of the D&C dedicated to reprimanding him, however that does not impact the truthfullness of his testimony, as well as the testimonies of dozens of other very trustworthy men that would necessarily have to be lying as well in order to maintain the very consistent narrative surrounding the gold plates and other things, such as the 11 witnesses. However, what I think is very important to note is that there is no good alternative explanation for how the book of mormon came to exist, every secular explanation falls apart. We're talking about a farmboy with 3 years of elementary school education, who can't even spell the word "chirch" (church), orally dictating about 530 pages of a historical epic with incredible amounts of intricate details, all internally consistent, in just over a month, essentially with their eyes closed. Far from whether or not you think he's trustworthy, you have to explain to me how he's not the greatest literary genius in the history of the world. I can't even think of anyone that could quote several whole chapters of Isaiah with their eyes closed, and that would be the "easy" part of writing the book of mormon. So until you give me a good alternative explanation for the book of mormon's existence, I'm going to stick with what all the historical documentation points towards.
4. I don't know about Joseph Smith Sr.'s dream, but otherwise, this also doesn't hold up. The book of mormon is chalk full of Hebraisms (things that make more sense in Hebrew than english) if you want an example, look no further than chiasmus, a form of hebrew poetry that mormons didn't find out about until over a hundred years after Joseph Smith's death. And some of the greatest examples of Chiasmus we have, are in the book of mormon, there are entire chapters written in this form of poetry, and it's simply incredible. No way something like that could just be made up on a first draft they way it would have to be if Joseph wasn't translating it. And that's just scratching the surface. As for the whole race thing, it's important to note that Joseph Smith didn't believe in all the racist ideas of his day. He ran for president on an anti-slavery platform, he ordained black people to the priesthood, etc. It's also important to note that almost every time the words black and white are mentioned they're usually used in phrases like "white and pure" and "black and loathsome" so it's very likely the words are to be taken symbolically, and not referring to people's skin color. However, there are anthropological explanations as to why the Lamanites would suddenly become darker skinned while the Nephites remained Jewish looking (at least at the start anyway) was because the Nephites would still be keeping the law of Moses that says to marry within the covenant, whereas the Lamanites wouldn't care and would intermarry with the darker skinned native populations. Which would make it all the more scathing when Jacob remarks a few decades later that the Nephites are becoming less chaste than the Lamanites because the Nephites have started adulterating, while the Lamanites quote: "loves their wives, and their wives love their husbands" (I don't have the verse in front of me, so that may be a misquote.)
5. To bring up DNA is utterly intellectually dishonest in this case. We are talking about really only five Jewish people from over 2,600 years ago (Lehi, Sariah, Zoram, Ishmael, and his wife) among 100s of thousands of other native peoples. The DNA of their descendants would be just about impossible to find, even if you included the Mulekites. To say it's disproven, when we've found exactly what we would expect to find assuming the null hypothesis of the book of mormon being true, is incredibly presumptuous. This is a video that gives more information on the topic: Ugo Perego - Book of Mormon and DNA Studies - CZcams
Also, Joseph Smith never claims that he received revelation from God that the indians from his area of the US were descendants from the lamanites, although you could make the argument that perhaps they were very distantly related after thousands of years of intermingling. The statement that the lamanites were the "principle ancestors" is not from the gold plates, it's part of the preface, added in by non prophets giving a summary of the book, such a statement in no way holds any authority on the subject. The person who wrote that statement was simply mistaken, as were the many members of the church who believed the statement because they didn't read into the book of mormon very deeply, as the book does make numerous inferences to there being other native populations already existing. Really the only credible statement we really have on who the descendants of the book of mormon people are, was when one of the more modern general authorities mentioned that he thought that the native Hawaiians were the descendants of Hagoth, a rather obscure background character in the book of mormon.
Spoken like a true apologist. You should read the CES letter and pray about it.
@@Ghithe97 I'm quite familiar and far from impressed with the CES letter.
@@KnuttyEntertainment It's goal isn't to be impressive. And the CES letter isn't to blame for the choices you make to resolve your cognitive dissonance.
@@Ghithe97 I don't recall mentioning the CES letter, and I don't see what you're trying to say.
Mind telling me what an actual instance of cognitive dissonance I committed?
@@KnuttyEntertainment no historicist holds the BoM as anything but fairtales
Does it matter???
Interesting video! I really enjoyed listening.
However, I don't think it's quite fair to use science and historical record to attempt to dispute one religion when you can do the same thing with all Catholicism/Christianity in general.
I mean, I understand that you believe what you believe.
Just be a good person, always try to be humble and disciplined, yet maintain values and formal standards at the same time.
Couldn't have said it better and I'm not even Mormon
It's already been done countless times even atheist scholars believe Jesus existed.
Also if you count on ur goodness then u won't keep a record of what wrong things n thoughts u have each day. In ur eyes u maybe good but still not enough for the standard of goodness required. That's where I require grace, imagine ur child passing away, no goodness will save him until grace b mercy is shown
5? How bout 5×5×5×5×10
I want to talk to you
May I point out your tactics, common to all these sites that I have found in this presentation?
1. As a minister, don't rely on personal revelation or the Holy Spirit, but on the learning of men.
2. Be sure and state your doubts that the Book of Mormon came from God. Ignore James 1:5-6 that says if you lack wisdom to ask of God. In particular ignore you must ask with faith or you are like a storm-tossed wave of the sea. (You can find the same admonition in the Book of Mormon to ask in faith, oddly enough.)
3. Use sinister words- the Book of Mormon plates were not holy or sacred, they were “secret.”
4. Ignore half of the truth to cause division. The Bible is also a foundational text for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but be sure to only mention the Book of Mormon.
5. Don’t check facts. Lump the Doctrine and Covenants in with “ancient documents” which it is not.
6. Make archaeology your god of truth for the Book of Mormon, forgetting that while you have an authentic setting for the Bible and the names of mostly kings, you have no evidence of the spiritual leaders- Abraham, Joseph in Egypt, Moses, Peter or even Jesus Christ. Ignore the unique Book of Mormon names that have been discovered as authentic Hebrew or Egyptian since the death of Joseph Smith. Don’t talk about, Hebraic poetic and grammatical structures Joseph wouldn't have known much about, let alone known how to use properly, and the fact that archaeology is an ever changing field- see the discovery of Etzanoa, or the “Stonehenge” found in Lake Michigan. Ignore also that IF the Book of Mormon took place in northeastern America that the destruction that went on with European settlers has disturbed about 90% of the locations.
7. Make sure to point out that Mormons can’t agree where the Book of Mormon took place, thus allowing the watcher to assume that goes for their testimony of the book as divine.
8. Don’t consider that the Book of Mormon essentially ends at 400 AD and nothing is known about the fate of the people who were left, other than they were at war among themselves. Don’t consider other groups that may have come into the area before or after who mixed or fought with them in the 1,000 intervening years.
9. Use the fun word “cult” while ignoring that cults are generally small, suspicious and reclusive groups with one leader, while the LDS faith has about 17 million members, is a worldwide church, and is led by a group of successive leaders who build interfaith relations and encourage love and service.
10. Be sure to cast aspersions about the personal integrity of Joseph Smith. Do not mention that he might have been reluctant to speak of the vision he had because of the reaction of ministers like you. Leave out documented sources that show who said such things about Joseph Smith, since they were from detractors or were hearsay statements. Interpret Lucy Mack Smith’s statement about how much Joseph knew of the Book of Mormon culture as “storytelling.”
11. State that the accounts of the First Vision contradict rather than add different details. Since you have not had a vision of God, assume that the experience was not overwhelming and multi faceted. Ignore psychological knowledge today that has found liars tell the same thing over and over in perfect chronological order. Also ignore that we only assume when Emma knew about polygamy and what Joseph did or did not tell her.
12. Make the insinuation that since Joseph Smith’s father had the same dream found in the Book of Mormon that Joseph somehow stole it, ignoring that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
13. Try to get traction with racial issues. Bring up race and the mark of Cain, which was opinion- don’t realize that you are judging the past by the cultural values of today. Ignore 1 Nephi 17:35-“Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God.” Don’t look at the “bigotry” and violence of the children of Israel, who slaughtered the women and children of other tribes. Don’t consider that the “skin of blackness” was to prevent intermarriage with unbelievers- that unrighteousness was the curse, not dark skin.
14. Assume we know all there is to know about the relatively new science of genetics and where DNA is disbursed, as well as the DNA of the Book of Mormon groups.
I am concerned now about your information here... I am not a Mormon but was doing some studies on the religion that is why I viewed your video. My concern is that you have stressed that native Americans did not have any Jewish background. While visiting a North Carolina Cherokee area the State of North Carolina had a brochure that stated that the Cherokees were found to have the same DNA as the Jews.
So by your own statement if there is falsehoods found in one area then how can we trust anything that is said. So, how can we trust anything you are teaching?
Please, help me understand...
NO American indians have DNA from Eastern China Mongolia
@@carlroberts7563 I agree there is no such thing as a specific jewish gene many middle eastern people share the same genes maybe the members of the cherokees who had middle eastern had married into a jewish/arab anscestor during the modern era
No way the jews and Indians are related, these two races couldn't be more different
The Introduction to the book of Mormon claims Joseph Smith translated it fro gold plates. Another LDS site admits it was dictated when Smith had his head in a hat with a seer stone.
How silly is that?
You could say he literally pulled it all out of a hat.
Many evangelicals and not all here think you are a cult for being in the Catholic church David. You of all people shouldn't use the word "silly" when knocking down the LDS church. Most evangelicals thinks praying to Mary is silly, or having the water or grape juice literally turning into the blood of Jesus.
JWJ BROS The Catholic Church is the true church. The LDS church was founded in 1830. Catholic Church was started in year 33.
Brandon Huggins Catholic Church is worse than Mormons.. sorry, I’m not Mormon but your church is the worst and most corrupt
that's actually true. comparatively, the Catholic Church is alot more corrupt in its past.
I just joined this church..
System is the problem. Slavery! 🏡 Our Lives Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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The CZcams channels: Book of Mormon Central, Scripture Plus, and the Saints Unscripted Channel, specifically their Faith and Beliefs playlists cover these topics, debunk the arguments, clarify history, and provide evidence and more which are brought up.
You might say we’re biased, but those who are against us are too.
The history and context and full array of information matters.
Religion is very real to the people selling it. As long as you tell people what they want to hear and the money is coming in, then everyone is happy.
Thats absolute truth. Especially when the Gift if the Host Ghost. Concurs.
Rebuttals to all this, perhaps, well meanings guys arguments ,can be found with a a CZcams or Google search. There have been volumes written on the antiquites of North America. You can still visit the mound cities found throughout North America, exactly as described in The Book of Mormon. They've found swords, etc., etc., etc.
But are they ACTUALLY good rebuttals?? And it's very "classic Mormon" of you to cherry pick which points you want to argue on. The character of Joseph Smith, Lehi's dream, the cultural assumptions from Joseph's time found in the BoM. NONE of that can be rebutted with an appeal to ancient American history.
@@Ghithe97 I think they are. I think all of the things you seem to have issues with are things you have heard but not investigated yourself. Maybe try to come and see? Maybe it's best to ask a faith's believers about issues you think their faith has rather than relying on detractor's statements as 100% factual or that they provide all context?
I'm just saying, one would be foolish to solely believe a Pharisee's description of Christ, or a Catholic's description of a protestant.
The problem is in the “etc, etc, etc” part. There really is not any solid evidence for the Book of Mormon. No domesticated horses, sheep, goats, cattle’s, pigs, or elephants. No steel armor and swords. No chariots, no wheat. No written records on metal plates, no coins. Etc, etc, etc.
@@ChaChaDancin So by 'solid evidence' you mean no archeological evidence? Or no literary evidence within the Book of Mormon itself? Or are you referring to witness testimony of the plates/translation?
Also, what would the threshold you would need to change your mind on evidence of the Book of Mormon? If one thing could be corroborated? Two? Ten? I ask because it seems like you are saying a lack of evidence is evidence of untruth, but since that is a fallacy, I wonder how many things would need to be shown as evidence to be 'solid' in your mind.
@@OntheOtherHandVideos let me turn that around. How many anachronisms would it take before you finally said, “huh, you know what… maybe there is a problem here that I should look at a bit more critically.”
Problem #6 is that the Book of Mormon is a literary orphan. It doesn't have a family of other books that we can see are related to it. Virtually all books occur in literary families. Despite this, it contains a lot of spiritually powerful passages.
Amen
I'm still waiting for proof of Lehi, Nephi, Laman, Lemuel, Sam, Moroni, Mormon, Mosiah, Enos, etc.
Get out your Bible. Where is that Ark of the Covenant again? Where is the evidence that Israelites were ever in Egypt...let alone for 400 years? Evidence of a global flood? Where are Christ's writings...we know he was literate. Yet all we have is second and third hand accounts of what happened decades earlier. Proof? Not there. There is little evidence of many things in both books. These are books of faith to be accepted only on that basis.
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Still waiting for proof of Lehi, Nephi, and the events of the BoM.
@@mr.benedict7671 Still not dealt with the disparate standards of proof you require of the Book of Mormon but not the Bible. Hmmmm...hypocrite? You decide.
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I mentioned nothing of the Bible. I'm talking about the Book of Moron, written by a greedy man living in an era when American Christians wanted answers and Smith took advantage of them.
@@mr.benedict7671 But I mentioned the Bible. Are you not a Christian?
Very well done. An excellent summary and presentation. I attended Roman Catholic Schools for 16 years primarily during the 1960’s and early
1970’s. The students challenged every church teaching. To their credit the religious orders that were our teachers encouraged skepticism and debate. All organized religions ask their members to have faith. Very little, if anything, can be proved. We believe Jesus Christ was God. Certainly, we don’t know. I don’t really think we have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the concept of creator and God. There is such beauty in the beatitudes and the core teachings of Christ that religious practices utilized by Mormons or other denominations seem unimportant and trivial.
Yes christians believe that christianity is the one and only thing in this world all other beiliefs r nonsense
First of all, do we don't have direct evidence of Noah's ark or it's location either. There isn't much location based evidence but there is plenty of other kinds like chaismus and ancient semitic naming. Many anachronisms have been shown true as time has gone on.
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firstly: Noah’s ark landed at the Ararat mountain range: Genesis 8:1. There is absolutely zero evidence for these advanced civilizations described in the Book of Mormon, not to mention the numerous anachronisms, such as horses in America at the time it was supposedly written.
when he translated the book of mormon aka the golden plates onto paper there was words that didnt exist during his time and these words he was told he never even heard of it so he was given names to put down as place holders
Who’s here because of the musical......oh just me...ok
Even if it is fake, are the things that we teach bad? Love your family, love everyone, be kind, take care of your body and there are many more?
Yes, they are bad.
When you worship a god that was once a man and came from another planet you are an idolater.
God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
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The true and living God has said that He is not a man.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent
I Samuel 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Hosea 11:9 for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee:
Job 9:32 “In truth I know that this is so; But how can a man be in the right [b]before God? “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, That we may go to court together.
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24
"A spirit does not have flesh and bones" - Luke 24:39
I Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
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When you deny Jesus Christ and say he is a created being, you are committing blasphemy, a very serious sin.
JESUS IS GOD
Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Col. 2:9 For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Even God called Jesus, God.
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. As a man, Jesus ate, thirsted, slept, wept, prayed to God and died. As God, Jesus rebuked Satan, forgave sin, performed miracles, accepted worship from the people, raised the dead and even raised himself from the dead. John 2:19 It is called the hypostatic union.
Jesus said your sins would not be forgiven if you did not believe He was God.
John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.”
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Good people do not go to heaven. Jesus said no one is good.
You need to be perfect to get into heaven.
MOBSLAYER that’s not the problem. Nor is it a good enough reason
These Mormon teachings are plain evil: czcams.com/video/hZIptfaNWO8/video.html
The God of the universe is worthy of being worshipped & glorified. Taking part in a fake religion & focusing on yourself instead doesn't seem very wise. God = Truth
You forgot the anachronisms, lack of artifacts from events in the BM, and historicity of things like bees, wheat, barley, and horses in America.
Pre Columbian Horses found, same with wheat and barley.
Cement buildings as well, hebrew found in Native American symbols and languages.
Critics used to expound about 100 anachronisms, now the list is a third of what is once was.
Nahom found.
Lush earth in Saudi Arabia found as described in Lehis' Journey.
Chiasmus.
Bat Creek Stone.
Hebrew lamps in ground engraved in Fayetteville, Illinois.
The Book of Mormon is the most correct book on Earth.
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MOST CORRECT BOOK ON EARTH?!? JOE SEZ THAT...JOE MOMMA!!! LOLOLOLOL
So correct that the original print had a canonical discrepancy that had to be corrected by the church later.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 Its like the other guy said: 'Josephs Myth' Lololol!