The Electric Vehicle Charging Problem
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One point missed in the article is that it is assumed that charging stations will automatically be available whenever you need them. I’m sure it will be fun when you drive to a five unit charging station and there are ten cars ahead of you, each requiring a thirty minute charge.
That is an important point. A gasoline powered car can be fully refueled in 5 minutes. Thus, 5 to 6 gasoline cars can fully refuel at the same gas pump in one half hour. In order to refuel the same number of EVs over the same period of time (assuming a recharge time of 30 minutes, which doesn’t fully refuel the vehicle) one would need 5 to 6 as many charging stations as gas pumps.
A solution to that would be hot-swappable batteries. But that would require battery standardization or manufacturer-specific "charging" stations.
Just drive to another station.
And where is high demand, more stations will be installed.
One of those imaginary non problems.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 In car you haven’t looked around, there aren’t charging stations available every five miles. Secondly, most gas stations on highways have at least twelve pumps. Most gas cars have at least twice the range of electric cars. Thirdly, electric cars take six times as long to charge. Do the math.
@@wilman7770 Exactly. Baron isn't using logic in his response.
It would be awesome if you could make an update to this video to see how things are progressing.
im in africa and they cost 2,000$ for a pickup truck
You are right about the whole charging thing, but you forgot to mention Winter Time!! If an EV Car owner doesn't have a garage for their EV, then those cars pretty much turn into a giant brick when it gets cold outside. Check out Chicago and other cold places this Winter season!!
Yup just experienced this on a weekend ski trip. Lost over 60 miles just by being parked outside in the cold. It’s a real problem and gives me anxiety about if I can drive home and reach a charger in time 😢
On the other hand, EVs do fine in Norway. I hear they have a pretty harsh winter.
@@redhat421what? It’s a massive problem. I have a friend from Norway and she literally talked about this exact problem with EV in Scandinavian countries.
@haruhidaso Norway has yhe highest EV adoption rate. These are real numbers and not just personal testimony.
Wouldn't it make sense that folks over there would stop buying if true?
@@breyrey7612 it’s because the gasoline (ICE) cars are taxed ridiculously high in the Scandinavian countries while EVs are getting tax/fee exemptions that it doesn’t make sense financially to buy it over EV. For example, EV do not have to pay 25% VAT along with registration tax, annual ownership tax, and fuel tax. Also toll fee is max 70% of the ICE and ferry fee is 25% of the ICE. If EVs are really that desirable over ICE vehicle, these incentives are not needed. The problem is mostly negated in Norway because the public transportation in superb, so people that lives in city (apartments) can avoid owning a car. Now the problem now is that those who lives in city and also want to own a car cannot (like my friend) because the battery will just die if it sits without protection and heating.
Heads up. The Chevy Volt is an electric hybrid car with an ICE. It's actually Chevy's Bolt that those statistics apply to.
Wouldn't it make more sense the other way around? You know, since a Volt is a unit of measurement for electricity
@@kristapsvalainis1671 I mean, Chevy sucks at marketing EVs
I have noticed that mistake too.
I said day one that naming the fully electric car the Bolt would confuse people.
@@kristapsvalainis1671 the volt predated the bolt and the at the time the volt came out it was their "EV" option as for the simmilar sounding names that was just stupid marketing.
That giant gap of charging stations in Australia is just a massive desert. There's very little infrastructure of any kind in that area at all.
Yeah I was gonna say Perth is kinda an outlier cause it's the only major city in that half of the continent lol, not a whole lot of casual driving back and forth
I'm guessing there's a highway with gas stations along the way, no?
@@serafffffff Barely, even the more popular sections weren't paved until the late 70s, and that was only because they could double as emergency landing strips.
Maybe install solar powered stations along the highway just to bridge a gap?
Australia is insignificant in the large picture of EVs as far as population is concerned. Australia will continue to use petroleum for a long time as well as other markets.
"People are not going to buy EV's without the charging infrastructure." Good point. It's the same reason why many people don't buy unique or exotic cars (like rotary Mazdas) because once they break down it's hard to find parts or mechanics willing to work on it.
Say are the new Rotary Mazda's prone to breaking down ?
Gee, I wonder what happens when its hotter than a bugger outside and most homes turn on their air conditioners ? That sucks some juice from the grid !
A lot has changed in the past 2 years.
Remember that legacy auto is trying to sell you both ICE vehicles (large range of models) and EV (limited range of models). So what are they going to push? ICE obviously, so why would they want to get involved in the charging infrastructure! Tesla is different, Musk knew, no infrastructure, no sales of EV.
Also another thing to consider, if you keep up with JUST general maintenance on a decent vehicle, the mpg will stay the same and you can even get higher mpg by replacing parts for your motor. You can go 300,000 miles on certain vehicles and it will run just like new with general maintenance, how will these batteries in the new electric cars hold up? Or the motors that move the wheels? Plus I recently came across an issue with my truck, my distributor was out of timed and while trying to re time it I kept killing the battery over and over, and now the battery is much much weaker now, if that can happen to me in the span of a week, significantly hurting the cells in the battery, how will these cars hold up in 10 years?
@@rscott2247what the fuck are you talking about
the other big charging problem for batteries, is that the faster you charge them, and the deeper you discharge them, lowers the battery life significantly.
thats why I find level 2 chargers more gentle to the batteries than the fast chargers
So does depleting small amounts and regularly charging (nightly).
@@Mike-fx4nunope, small recharges (L2) are better for the battery Health since less overall change happens in the battery crystal structure
@@niklas8565 "Generally speaking, you shouldn't charge your EV's battery to 100% every night because repeated charging cycles can harm the battery."
@@niklas8565 We have known for decades that cell phone batteries should be run down low charged back up only when needed. The life of a battery of this type is shortened by regularly charging them up nightly. AKA what most people are doing. For example, running it down to 60% and charging up to 100 every night.
With that being said, in nearly every case, EV batteries are inefficient and a waste of money no matter how it is cut.
Small detail: rectifier converts AC to DC while an inverter converts DC to AC.
@@roflchopter11 switching converter is not necessarily inverter. And Sam compares it to commercial inverter, which is clearly a DC/AC converter. That's a technical mistake. Not a big one, but annoying.
BTW the confusion may came from the fact, there IS an inverter in EVs. It is to drive the AC motor from the DC output of the batteries.
Buck converter and boost converter adding to the mjx
@@besenyeim exactly that! And it probably skewed the price. The design of an inverter is waaay more complex than that of a rectifier.
FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER
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CCS is now the standard here in Australia, and all Telsla's sold here have a CCS connector. So it's going to be vastly cheaper for Tesla to just admit defeat in the US and convert to CCS.
Problem there is what if the US gov. decides to finally mandate a standard, and its not CCS ?
@@Noi5ee that would be the american thing to do, right?
@@Noi5ee The US government won't mandate a standard without consulting the car manufacturers. Or more accurately, the car manufacturers won't lobby for a standard unless it's one they want to use.
@@Noi5ee I feel like most in the U.S. government would be smart enough to notice that other countries are making the standard as CCS, and so they would go with that; assuming that they mandate one at all, which is a bit up in the air given their history with this sort of stuff. The government doesn't like mandating these sorts of things unless it has a major incentive to or is lobbied to do so. Which, at the moment, I don't believe either is happening (At least no incentive that is worth it to most in the government).
Most likely, they'll let companies decide this, which will simply draw it out for longer until they eventually land on most likely CCS due to other countries making these mandates.
@@xxgn The thing is that Tesla already manufacture cars and chargers with CCS connectors in large volumes for others markets, so it's clear that's the future, they are just stuck with the early adopter problem in the US with the installed charger base and cars.
Would love to see this updated with current information.
It's crazy how outdated this video became in 3 years which is a good thing
If I owned an electric car, I would want to do overnight charging at home. But I live in an apartment so that’s not an option. I think that limits many people who would otherwise buy an electric vehicle.
no parking option? if you have a space, talk to your landlord.
It's absolutely an option in a lot of scenarios. I live in The Netherlands for example, and every single parking spot in the parking garage below my apartment complex has EV chargers. On top of that, the government is required to place a charger in your street if you cannot charge the car on your driveway.
Since most of China's population lives in apartments, NIO offers battery swap that only takes 3 mins for a full charge.
@@rap4james this is so incredibly untrue. Swapping takes 5 min, but you also need to drive there, wait for the car ahead of you to be done, get out of the car and let someone else drive it in, etc. Realistically it's gonna take anywhere between 10 and 20 min, much longer than refueling at a fuel station. And that's assuming there's even a timeslot available when you have time to swap it, and you don't need to drive to another swapping station much further out.
Meanwhile everyone who owns a car needs to park it somewhere, so it makes much more sense to just equip parking lots with chargers.
@@Ehralur Oh gosh I am sooo sorry it takes 5 mins rather than 3 LOL ... And yes, you need to drive there just as you would to a gas station or a charging station. I heard their new swap stations will be fully automated with self parking. Realistically I doubt it'll take 10 or 20 mins but if it does you have the option of charging your car with a cable just like any other electric car. Its nice to have the option to choose between a "5 min" battery swap or a 30 min cable charge.
Also battery swap allows you to choose between a smaller battery vs a larger if youre every going on a roadtrip or in need the extra miles.
As an electric driver in Europe, my biggest gripe is that chargers are unpredictably broken, so you always have to stop at a charger before the last one you could reach, decreasing my already limited range. With more chargers coming available, hopefully this is a temporary problem though :)
what happens when you reach a charger that turns out to be broken but you don't have any power any more?
@@derpferdeflusterer3460 call road service so they can tow you to a charging station, some countries also have mobile chargers that they can bring (just a generator with the right plugs). Luckily I’ve never been in that situation, but I’ve come close multiple times (mostly due to chargers already taken).
@@EER0000 UK here, our biggest roadside assistant companies (AA/RAC) have started to roll out vans with mobile generators to rescue stranded EV cars. However, I bet the number of those repair vans with a jerry can and a fuel card far eclipse the number of repair vans with a generator.
A lot of charging points are also split between different companies (Tesla, ecotricity, etc) meaning you need about 3-4 different cards to get a charge.
I've made over 10 roadtrips with a model 3 in the past 2 years and I've literally never had this issue? Granted the furthest east I've gotten was Serbia
This is not a location issue, the USA is the same with all charging infrastructure except Tesla. We own 3 EVs and take long road trips in our Tesla all the time, never have had an issue. However we would never do it in the others, without access to the Supercharger network. Electrify America, Charge point, Blink are slow, crazy expensive and as you note in Europe often broke.
Great video. As for Australia, I don't think not being able to drive from Perth to Sydney is a problem, as no sane person would want to do that anyway. Could be an issue in some other drivable parts though.
Some people do that to save on airfairs... although I imagine the petrol costs for driving that far might actually end up being more.
Some folks are afraid of flying, therefore they rather drive long distances. Of course statistically flying is still safer, though more expensive with multiple family members.
Can you drive from Perth to Sydney with existing petrol stations in a car with a standard 600 km range gas tank?
Same problem in Africa. When an electric vehicle with a range of 1600 - 1800 Km WITHOUT charging is available, I'd be interested. But until then I'll stick with petrol.
@@carultchyes very easy
One other factor is that charging stations are frequently out of order, and repairs are slow to happen. Additionally, some charging stations do not operate in intensely cold weather.
Never experienced this. Driven my EV now for 4 years, and it still works fine. Used fast chargers in -25 Celsius without any issue.
17:49 you knoww he had to say “airport” somewhere in this video
why is this much more funny than it should be ?>?> ahaa
Lol
@@ZechMadox because he talks about something that flies in almost every single video
There's one more thing to consider. If you go to a gas station and all the pumps are in use one of them will become available in 3-4 minutes. If you go to a charging location and all the chargers are in use you could be waiting for 20-35 minutes waiting for your turn.
This is a very real problem that most folks seem to overlook
Yea but that's only a problem in some cities. The reason the problem is over looked its because most people charge at home and never experience it and chargers in towns outside of cities very rarely experience it. It's mostly just a fear from none ev owners who read sponsored articles from dealership, oil industry, legacy auto and the news stations themselves all have profit to lose from EVs becoming popular.
@@SmashGhost I've owned an electric vehicle for 3 years and have never run into this issue and given that I have to charge each time I drive into work in order to get home, I've charged my car hundreds of times and Oakland isn't exactly the DC Fast Charge center of the universe.
The problem that you imagine isn't one that you'll likely come across.
"a very real problem" @@SmashGhost Given the two comments above by people who actually own an EV, it's a very FAKE problem!
@@foobars3816 It's not a fake problem. it would become a problem as more people adopt the technology. there are only 775,000 evs according to this video. But let's say that jumps up to 5 million within a few years. Unless the amount of chargers stays lock step with the amount of cars sold, eventually you're going to be looking at far more cars per charging station than what you have now. It's a simple scale problem. it may not be an issue now, but it is a possible problem in the future.
The cold problem where batteries dont work as well is also a factor. I live in Canada and people here say evs dont last as long as claimed and after a few years the batteries degrade , also cutting the mileage you get.
In the UK we now need at least 30 chargers per station to be able to cope with what is out there, and most are broken down, so the time limit for recharging is approx 2 to 3 hours, so the infastructure is not working so what happens when double the amount of ev's are on the road lets say in the next two years, it will be utter chaos because with even 5% broken down station will not cope with the demand, and home chargers will be too expensive to charge at home.
It’s entirely unsurprising that the incompetent UK government is incapable of the most basic forward planning or infrastructure maintenance. In Norway, charging an EV is substantially cheaper and simpler than filling a car with petrol.
This is a uk problem, not an ev problem.
Many other countries are managing this just fine.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 You are entirely correct. Ofcourse it’s a UK problem, brought about entirely by incompetent government. In Norway we have none of their problems and have fully embraced electric vehicles as being a replacement for polluting combustion vehicles.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300 yeah, here in the netherlands as well. These things keep popping up everywhere everyday. And chargers nowdays are becomming really small as well.
In eindhoven they just introduced a charger that is just a square pole of like 30 by 30 cm and 2 meters high or something that actually is pleasant to look at. It really doesn't stand out between the street lighting trafic light/sign poles and other stuff that is there to accomodate cars.
And we are still at the start of this emerging technology.
Eventually every parking spot will have a charging unit on it. They will be as common as parking meters and street lights.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716Entirely unlike the English, the Dutch are a progressive nation who find solutions to problems, rather than whinging about difficulties as the English prefer. Our kerbside chargers are less compact than yours but they are hardly eyesores.We have relatively few individual parking meters left, preferring payment machines covering an area of parking spaces. Therefore we already have more chargers than parking meters.
Imagine if you had different petrol stations for Audi, Renault and Ford. Insane!
Imagine a United States with a functioning government that would issue an industry standard for massive infrastructure such as electric charging.
@@TeKaMOTO Yes, because nearly 250 years of existence, many of which as a world superpower, definitely results from a dysfunctional government........
@@TheMohawkNinja. The superpower bit came from a plentiful supply of cheap labour, materials and energy. You know like Russia.
I mean, they do have different stores. Which is also really dumb.
LMAO. but imo, given time, America will eventually be pushed to create standards. after all, global warming and climate change is just around the corner, and even though capitalism reigns, time will eventually come they will have standards
There's another huge charging problem: even if I could manage with only overnight charging, I have nowhere to charge it overnight in most apartment building's shared garages… 🤨
Agreed, lack of charging in multi-family housing is a very real problem that we will need to address. I am lucky in that I have a charger at home, but the tenants in my townhome do not.
@@martyscholes119 If you own the building, you can put one there, can't you?
@@moth.monster I am not sure. I recently bought it and I am trying to get in touch with the HOA to learn what are my options.
@@moth.monster absolutely in CA AB 1236.
Same with having only on street parking.
Please do an update on this topic! I am very interested to know how far we have progressed in these short 3 years
As more electric cars hit the market, charging stations will be more common in apartments public areas. Most charging will occur overnight where people sleep. Fast charging is only needful on long trips which most people take only infrequently. Dallas to Denver is hardly the core of long distance driving. How about Boston to DC or Philadelphia to Chicago?
Problem with charging in apt. complexes, is theft. Would somehow have to make charging cords lock onto car and charging station. But, criminals will still vandalize, just because they are.....
@@pato6672 Huh? Do people that hate EV's spend time to think of ridiculous replies like this?
You think that someone is going to come along and chop a cable with 240V and 50 amps? I don't think so.
The cables are attached to the charger and in most cars are locked to the car until the car is either fully charged or past a certain percentage - a feature put into cars so that if someone is charging at a station and they don't come back when the car is fully charged, the session ends and the charger communicates to the car that the lock can be released.
How about the electricity? Where is that coming from? Have you done the math?
@Jake Minnie That's a 350 mile round trip. That's not something that people do all the time.
I do a 100 mile commute "all of the time" meaning many days a week. How many days a week did you do the Seattle to Portland and back drive?
Or was that just a couple of times a year?
*RE: "As more electric cars hit the market, charging stations will be more common in apartments public areas. Most charging will occur overnight where people sleep"*
Have you considered this:
* Wind energy is normally not available at night
* Solar energy is never available at night
* The "woke" Grid will be at its lowest capacity at night
* You either have or will have a "smart meter" that monitors your electrical consumption by the minute
* As the "woke" power grid sags in the evening the utility will find homes that are charging their cars and send a signal to to your "smart" meter to disconnect your power (that's why its so "smart").
* In an effort to discourage EV charging at night your woke utility will begin to bill your usage based on demand depending on availability of the woke grid's dwindling energy supply.
*At $1.00 per KwH for night charging this might kill off all the middle class home EV chargers, they can walk, bike or take the bus (but keep well armed if traveling by bus in a woke Democrat city ) .
* This will preserve the little power there is left to those who deserve it (the elite)
Look on the bright side, as the woke grid sags and then shuts down at night you can buy a converter to drain your $80,000 EV of any of its remaining charge. The EVs battery can keep your refrigerator/freezer running for a little while to save the inflationary fortune you now need to spend on food preserved.
Woke is going to get mighty spendy....Maybe John Kerry , your woke energy -czar- tyrant can loan you some cash at market rates if you have any credit left. He's got lots of money and he gets around on his wife's Grumman Gulfstream V that gets fabulous mileage at only 5000 pounds of jet fuel per hour.
“In the EU and neighboring countries like the UK...”
Yikes, that just hits different nowadays.
Why?
@@tylerw1418 Because most Brits perfectly knew the advantages of being part of the EU. The Brexit is nonsense of Trumpian magnitude.
@@feedingravens interesting. what benefits would that carry?
@@tylerw1418 paying loads of fees and not being able to trade with the rest of the world the UK paid more to be in the EU than it did getting anything out of it. Basicly uk had more imports than exports. So it did not gain anything out of it
@@tylerw1418 To clarify: benefits of what? Of being part of the EU?
As for getting from Sydney to Perth in Australia, LOL, nobody drives from any capital city in Australia to Perth, or vice-versa. That's like pretending the nearest city to Los Angeles (Perth) is Houston (Adelaide) and you'd actually want to drive that through a completely empty New Mexico and Arizona. That's how isolated Perth is.
Lmao i thought the exact same thing. No one would ever drive to Perth from Sydney it's like a 40 hour drive even in a petrol-based vehicle
yeah there's hardly any people living between Adelaide and Perth.
Let's face it: nobody wants to go to Perth full stop
/s
Large families drive long distances all the time - it's way too expensive to fly. As a kid, my parents would load up the 5 kids in the minivan, and the 7 of us would drive from Chicago to Orlando to visit family. My parents would take turns driving and do the entire trip only stopping for fuel - which was about 1150 miles or 1857 km of driving in one day.
Single people or even small families can afford to fly or take the train, but since the cost is per person, that becomes less practical the more kids you have. With a car, the cost is basically the same whether there's one person or seven inside.
I would love to you take apaaart an electric car :)
hybrids are becoming really popular in Australia. The new corolla hybrid is really nice and has really good range for a small fuel tank and battery
i still believe a hybrid is the best way to go for now, the flexibility in just how hybrid they can make it is it's own benefit for the manufacturer. look at the rav4, theres a straight gas option, hybrid and even plug in hybrid. best of all worlds with 1 car
@@bradhaines3142 plug ins are great because if you're doing local driving of about 50km a day then the battery should cover it. And on longer trips you can just use both the electric and ICE engine for max efficiency. Best thing about hybrids is they are accessible for most middle class folk, and you'll save on fuel the premium paid over the pure ICE model. Electric cars are just too expensive, and will get you stuck in more debt than many can handle.
My dad has a hybrid corolla and can get 1000km on the highway, despite its small fuel tank. Great vehicle and I'd love one if I could afford it
The main issue I have is the rapid battery degradation using fast-charging. While fast chargers might initially solve apparent range-based charging issues, they will do so at the cost of battery longevity. As battery life degrades and power retention declines, battery efficiency will reduce effective range. This in turn will increase the number and frequency of rapid charges required and further degrade battery life as effective maximum charge capacity steadily decreases.
The other major issue is random battery fires. When more and more people experience battery fires, I am pretty sure the market for EVs will soften. This in turn will drive up the cost of per car infrastructure. Moreover, sufficient catastrophic failures could easily lead to unknown externalities like strict regulation, unaffordable insurance rates, etc.
Seriously, it costs about $20K to replace Tesla’s battery - and will we continue to have access to abundant amounts of rare earth minerals required?
Good thing is rapid charging, for the vast majority of people, doesn't happen. They live happily charging at level 2 with basically no battery degradation.
Gas cars catch on fire at a higher rate so that's one thinf thing to consider
Yeah, like what happened with gas cars. That's why so many people still use horses.
@@illemonate Battery recycling is also taking off, as it's far cheaper to extract the minerals from existing batteries than to mine it. So there's a market for used tesla batteries to be recyucled and resold. This is another area gov intervention could come in, requiring them to take the used batteries (for a credit on a new one?) and recycle them before they can buy in batteries made from newly mined minerals.
My "Electric Vehicle Charging Problem" is that I don't have a place to charge an EV.
I'm pretty sure most of the other Americans who live in apartment complexes have a similar problem.
Edit: I literally don't have a way to get even 120 V electricity out to my parking spot to run a vacuum cleaner. A lot of people would happily slow charge at home but where they park their car is not in a place where they have access to 120 or 240 V.
Simple solution buy a regular gasoline vehicle. Problem solved🤪
@82snowball What about people who park on the street?
@82snowball Not all apartments have a garage or a parking spot.
Thats really the whole point of this video, if there was an extensive network of DC fast charging stations (like gas stations) you wouldn't need to worry about having to charge at home (just like you don't refuel your gas at home).
I think this is way more of an issue than the road trip problem. How often does the average American drive across multiple states with their personal car for a road trip each year? Less than 10%? I know people say they want a stupid range like 300+ miles but how often do you drive more than 300+ miles in a day? or 600+ miles if you have charging available at work.
My biggest barrier is that almost no multi-unit housing has options for charging. In a home it's much easier to set up charging at home, but in most apartment complexes this is simply not an option. As 80% of people live in cities, and more and more people are moving into multi-unit complexes due to the rising cost of real estate, if you cannot fix THAT issue the adoption rate will take much longer than expected.
While those could be problematic nowadays minor alterations can fix that. To me the problem is going to the bottle neck at the charging stations as well as the duration of a complete charge. Can imagine 20 cars pull into a charging station with only say 5 charging points with each car requiring 4 hrs to charge. After this scenario, now imagine in winter.
@@grandpa5508 Agreed, there is a small charging center where I live with only 4 spaces, sitting around waiting for a spot just isn't feasible. I have a short commute that would never use full range in a single day but without the ability to charge at home at night, I skipped buying an EV a few years ago while in the market and will probably do so again on my next car, and possibly the next after that if fast charging and expanded infrastructure aren't figured out first. There is also the price. I know there is an "ideal" cost that was mentioned, but for much of the population that is still too expensive. Why buy a 35k EV when you can get a used internal combustion for a few grand. When you are on the lower end of income, that makes a big difference, and with the wealth gap growing wider, I don't see a solution to that problem yet either. That used EV market needs to come up, but that will just take time I imagine.
@@christopherpowell6503 While I lived in my apartment I drove with about an hour commute each day, and just needed to stop at a supercharger once a week for thirty minutes, grab lunch, then I was done. Even using the supercharger it was less than 1/3rd what my weekly cost in gas would be.
@@christopherpowell6503 problem with used evs is that battery range degrades and a replacement is 10k+, essentially totaling used ev. This is not really a problem with normal cars since it's not like their fuel tank shrinks with age while the engine also lasts a long time
@@mojo331 If you look into this it is not much of a concern if you choose an EV from a manufacturer that knows what they are doing (Tesla's are showing ~90% battery retention @ 200k miles for some models) and if this is still a main concern than choose a car with LFP battery chemistry which should last around a million miles. Gas cars do not have a shrinking fuel tank, but do become less efficient with age and use. Agreed it is an expensive item now, although costs are decreasing rapidly and may cost the same as an engine swap in only a few years. I would also encourage you to factor in true cost of ownership - fuel savings, nearly no mechanical maintenance - as most reports I've seen show it is less expensive over the lifetime of the vehicle.
I'm watching this Salina, KS right now and that totally tripped me up.
Would be nice to see an updated video mentioning what's happening in China given how they'll likely play a larger role if not THE largest role in EV adoption in the coming years. The sheer # of vehicles sold, # of stations, and also their unified standard means they're solving some of the core problems mentioned in the video.
Yes! This video is outdated now. Model 3 is under 37K with incentives. Tesla outselling many auto makers, more profits and the Chinese are crushing the market.
In cities in china, communities have lots of charging stations, some people installed their own near the apartment building if possible, and near roads, you also find a lots of charging stations...
Norway has a significant percentage of EV adopted now, they have switched from ICE.
did you mean the *Bolt* in this video? The *Volt* is a PHEV, not a true EV. The Volt only has about a 60 mile electric only range.
I was thinking the same thing. It’s easy to get them confused.
There's also no Volt 2021.
And there is a 300 mile club for Bolt drivers
Yea... kind of an embarrassing mistake.
Back in the day it took me a while to understand those are different cars. Why tf couldn't they name it a bit more differently?
The problem is that people view the “charging problem” by basing it on their ICE experience. The real problem is how to make at-home charging available for urban and apartment dwellers. Those of us lucky enough to own a home know that waking up to a “full tank” every day is one of the joys of owning an EV. We have 3 electric vehicles and even in a typical year only visit a commercial charger maybe 10 times per year on the few longer road trips.
Exactly. With gas/diesel one drives around for days/weeks and then takes a 5min detour to/from work one day to start the cycle over again. With an EV, you drive for a week [+/-], and then plug it in over night. Or if you drive a lot every day, plug it in every night. (it doesn't have to be at 100% charge all the time. Just like your gas tank doesn't have to be "full" all the time.) What *does* worry people -- with some justification -- is how long it takes to charge once it's significantly drained. And yes, without access to a DC "fast" charging system, it will take many _hours_ to recharge. Even at a 100kW+ charging station, it will take close to an hour. Which is _a lot_ longer than the 3-5min at the gas pump.
(Plus, as mentioned, the significantly lesser range of EVs. 300mi is huge for an EV, but f'ing laughable for ICE. [unless you're a Nissan van with a squirrel's bladder for a gas tank, giving about a 200mi range.] Most ICE cars go 500+ miles before the light comes on -- could go another 50-100mi before actually running out. Even our horrible Winnebago (80gal tank) can go over 600mi without stopping -- 'tho it is an expensive, 15min stop to fill it back up.)
the problem is that ppl who have never owned an EV still have the idea that you have to go somewhere to charge your car.
@@jgr7487 Some will, if they have no access to power on the street. Others will balk at the cost of a "charger" (J1772 outlet, or Tesla's version) -- that box with an Arduino and a relay is pretty expensive. (the contactor alone is ~150$)
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@@jfbeam - the $1,500 to $2000 install is a pittance compared to the relative annual saving of elec at home vs fast charging $ / kWh rates (and better still than pumped gas)
Shortcomings of EVs beside what is mentioned in the video:
1) Over half of US residents are renters, therefore lack the ability to charge at home.
2) The resale value of used EVs are very low.
3) Estimated battery life is five years.
4) The replacement cost of the battery with labor, in some cases exceed the cost of the car.
Aint hindsight wonderful?
“Estimated battery life is five years” you got a source for that? In Aus, most EV batteries are warranted for at least 8 years (or 160,000 km.) From empirical data, modern EV batteries last for 10-20 years.
What if each car comes with a spare or two battery that can be inserted like plug n play and can be charged while the car travels with other battery thus having zero downtime or wait - also there can be spare fully charged batteries available at your nearest eCharging station can replace the empty battery with fully charged at a nominal fee - would that be economical for the overall sector - both eV car owner and the eCharging infra owner??
These batteries are far too large heavy and expensive to carry spares.
The problem with that though is that you are having to pay the cost to install and maintain as well as pay the carge to haul around huge amounts of dead weight.
You can see this with a moped in Asian countries. Can swap battery packs. But for a car…. You’d have to have dozens of batteries waiting that are still thousands of dollars. And which car? Every car uses different parts there’s no standard. So you dozens of batteries of each car leading to hundreds of batteries needed in all thousands of stations
Every person who will point out all the problems with this is right, unfortunately. The batteries are too expensive, too heavy, too internal, and too specialized to just swap out quickly and conveniently. A number of years ago when EVs weren't really as much of a thing I thought about a station that would have spot you would drive over and stop your car. A specialized articulated arm would grab, unlock, and then remove the standard shielded battery from the bottom of your car and then slide it away to an available charging slot (also below ground level) while another arm already carrying a standard battery that had been charged to full would move into position underneath your car, install the battery, and reengage the lock. And then you would drive away. The whole process could take less time than filling a tank of gas, and since it's automated (it would absolutely have to be) payment could also be automated. The whole thing could be done in less than 30 seconds and you wouldn't even have to get out of your car.
It would require some things that are difficult for a number of reasons:
- Robot arms are expensive. And anything built under ground level is expensive. Even if you make an installation that only has 1 of these mechanisms the cost is probably still more than 50 DC fast chargers. Not to mention dangerous if someone had a part of their body under the car when batteries were being swapped. Not to mention a nightmare to maintain.
- Companies would have an extremely hard time standardizing these batteries. This actually might be the most realistic aspect of my little dream, but making a battery that is tough enough to be installed in a vehicle's undercarriage, and large enough to provide decent range (it wouldn't have to be as good range if this whole idea ever really got off the ground since getting a charged battery would be so easy, but it would still have to be at least 100 miles range).
- A bunch of other little things I probably haven't thought of. Honestly, this might be a better idea for a work of speculative fiction. It's probably unworkable in the real world.
7:11 That is the price of an inverter, an inverter transforms DC in AC, to charge a car you rather need a rectifier (wich may be a bit simpler electrically), used to transform AC in DC.
Good point. It's even made clear by the description in the screenshot "Input DC", "Output AC"
@@winkcla this video is riddled with mistakes. Saying Volt when taking about the Bolt, the mismatch between the voice-over and the numbers when comparing states at 15:56
I’m glad someone else noticed
I know for a fact Wendover would have a heart attack if he had an electric plane
Electric planes already exist but are only prop driven.
@@TheLiamster Check out ThunderFoot to learn, why battery aircraft will probably (you can never say anything with absolute certainty, but I am pretty sure) never be mainstream.
@@TheLiamster Electric planes are probably not gonna be a huge thing. Planes in the future are probably going to run on hydrogen or fuel recycled from the atmosphere.
@@frederikjrgensen252 Solar powered planes also have worked. Only problem is they can’t fly at night.
@@ultraviolet7838 there was at least 1 solar powered plane that could fly through the night.
Excellent video, however, the massive problem that wasn’t mentioned is grid capacity both in terms of power generation and the poles and wires. Here in Australia government incompetence has resulted in a power generation and grid stability crisis that is only going to get worse. The existing poles and wires do not have the required capacity to support widespread adoption of electric vehicles.
This video was made three years ago and the advancement of vehicle charging technology has made leaps and bounds.
Never thought my small german hometown would be mentioned in a Wendover video, but here we are.
Dito ..
And he didn't even mislabel it as being in Canada like the one time he mentioned my closest local airport!
Winterberg or Marburg?
Felt the same when there was an entire video on Poynton in England
I'm sure Wendover makes sure to highlight the cities that are only half as interesting as the big ones.
6:07 Inverters convert DC to AC, not the other way round. The word you were looking for is "Rectifier" This video has used the word "Inverters" instead of "rectifier" in a lot of places. 7:10 That off grid inverter is to get Line power from battery banks. Typically in storage solar plants.
Don't they also do DC-DC And DC to AC and AC to DC. Because of the inverter of three phase power as you can charge other cars or homes etc. But most homes lack three phase
@@TheMagicJIZZ AC to DC is a RECTIFIER. DC-DC is a buck/boost converter.
3phase or single phase has nothing to do with this.
@@anonymousarmadillo6589 thank you for doing my homework. I was hoping you'd give me the answer without googling. Lmao for my project. I don't know what any of these words are
Thank you for commenting this was about to make the same comment. As stated most AC to DC conversion uses a rectifier in combination with a switching converter like a buck or boost converter
Sincerely
A student electrical and electronics engineer
nice one boys taught me something new. we all have our own specialist subjects haha
Great analysis, thanks
This video was super informative and educational. Thanks a ton!
You've left out another big hurdle: Generating capacity. Here in California we can't even keep the lights on reliably with existing generating capacity plus power purchased from outside the state. Where is the power going to come from to supply hundreds of millions of EVs once ICEs are banned?
Maybe all the drilling and refining facilities could turned into power generating stations?
Or...install solar and a powerwall and charge off-grid. Done.
@@willburk or, like, remember that nuclear power exists and makes more power then renewables and actually doesn't actively fuck the planet if done well
@@thenerfkid9228 people are dumb. They hear nuclear they go crazy. Even when they don't mind coal power.
@@shadmansudipto7287 Well If we could get thorium MSR up and running. Maybe than ppl wouldn't freak out over nuclear power.
That's not true. The power is on just fine. I live in Cal where day temps reach triple digits regularly at this time of year and the lights are not going off. Power generation will also increase. Many many green energy generation projects are being built and will be built. There is no lack. Hey the sun shines every day.
Chevrolet's EV is called the Bolt not the no longer produced hybrid the Volt.
Different name, but still pos.
Video was total garbage, just another misinformation propaganda piece, doesn't matter what these people say do or think, EVs WILL replace ICEVs very quickly over the next 10yrs. I love both my EVs and would never go back.
Hydrogen cells are a better technology for cars. This channel is pimping the wrong technology. Woke-dystopia strikes again.
@@hardworker5588 being tied to a pump again for a fuel that requires using electricity to make it, to then store it, then FF or electricity to transport it, then electricity to pump it, then convert it back to electricity, Is inefficient. You can get the same electrons right to your garage and straight into your battery without all the losses. AND you don't have to waste time stand at some station filling up. Hydrogen is a great technology, but BEVs are easier to implement with less losses. It's a better technology than FFs, but i see it as inferior to just feeding the electricity right where it needs to be.
@@hardworker5588 you're so wrong it's not even funny
Great video - thanks!
It is disappointing to hear that humans have again failed to agree on a single standard for what's essentially a single job, in this case charging an EV.
Standardization's not the issue though
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme It's a huge issue, especially for long-distance driving. If you charge your EV at home then daily drives won't cause a problem but on the highway you're critically dependent on knowing what is available to you since (in my experience) most stops don't have charging stations that would work with all EVs.
The good news is, the US has pretty much settled on CCS being the standard for DC fast charging. All the new non-Tesla EVs coming out use CCS, and Tesla recently released a CCS adapter for their cars. So standardization is fine now. We just need more charging stations, and we need those stations to be online and operational. Currently, Electrify America owns the largest non-Tesla DC fast charging network in the US. Their station reliability is terrible. I hear horror stories every day from people that drove to a 4-stall charging station, only to find all 4 chargers were out of order. Their only option was to call for a tow truck. So we still have an infrastructure problem, it's just now it's shifted to being a reliability problem more than anything else.
Right. It's called your house.
Humanity did agree on a standard. Only the americans again feel special.
The biggest barrier keeping me from purchasing an EV is lack of charging stations. It's fine if you own your home and can have a charging station in your home, but if you are like a great many people, you rent. Where I live, you can't find an apartment complex with charging stations. In fact, where I live, I am not aware of any public charging stations.
And let's be honest, even if charging stations were as common as gas stations, it's still not a perfect solution. Getting gas takes, what, 5 minutes? 10 minutes max? Charging at a station takes a good 20 minutes or more. That would get annoying quickly. I love electric cars but this is a big problem still. Charging is only more convenient if you can plug in at home
there are chargers on every major highway except in two states. Tennessee and Kentucky. Every other state I can drive in
@@weaponkid1121 how often are you driving 300 miles in a day tho? It’s a daily commuter not a cross country vehicle.
@@mannycat8906 Right, I'm just saying: if you can charge at home, charging in a huge convenience over gas. If you can't, gas is much more convenient.
I am a planner designing the charging station network in a midsized Midwest city. 1. You do not need a "charging station" in your home. They plug in to something like your washer or dryer. You would need a level 1 or 2 charger. A level 3 or DCFC is $100k+. 2. Think about it. Cars spend most of their time parked, either at home or at work. There is WAY too much emphasis placed on the fast charge when in reality unless you are an Uber driver, and just want a clean quiet car to get around town, you don't need this. 3. DCFCs also wear out batteries much faster. The push for DCFC is clearly planned obsolescence to sell more batteries. 4. While the govt should be investing heavily in this kind of infrastructure, it varies wildly by state. CA fundamentally installed the network prior to the Governator taking over. Watch "Who Killed the Electric Car" for a super interesting history lesson. This is why CA accounts for 75% of all charging stations for the entire US today. It wasn't that difficult to update and activate the old stations. However in OH, not a lot of people have any idea what they are doing at the State level. In the mean time, all I can do as a planner is see where existing EV vehicle and charger densities are in the city and build off of that.
Don't you mean the Chevy Bolt? The Volt has been out of production since 2019
Yeah, he even showed a picture of it (bolt) like 10 seconds before.
Yeah, there's no such thing as a "2021 Volt" :(
The Volt isn't even an EV, its a hybrid. SMH.
@@cortburris9526 the shilouette? That was a '17 Volt
This EV video needs clarification,
if not correction.
It makes me worried about other information I see when I watch this channel
I think the best way to approach this is to make a car that has 100 miles range battery and 400 range hybrid gas. A plug in hybrid so people's fear of stranded with dead battery do not happen. My Toyota RAV4 Prime has 42 miles on pure battery and 450 miles on hybrid gas mode. So far I have driven this car a 8 thousand miles and refill the gas tank three times. The mall, grocery store, Bank, movie theater everything falls under 20 miles. When I went for an oil change I remember the mechanic telling me that I still have not breaking my engine yet because I have not used the gas engine yet. He told me to stop charging the car and use gas for the first 10k miles so they can diagnose and see if there's any issue with the brand new engine. I have solar panel so I'm not paying for the electricity when charging my car. It kind of feel weird to burn gas at this point. I don't think I can ever go back to a gas car.
It depends on use case. If you are a city dweller who don't like driving (like my daughter), then there's no reason to drive ICE, because EV is more than enough to get you around town. However, in your case, you did enjoy the convenience of an ICE charging your battery when it's low. I think hybrid is the way to go. It's like you have a charger built in. Charging pure EV from the outlet in your house is pretty much the same, because the electricity you use in your house is generated by using fossil fuel anyway. Even if you have solar panels, the manufacturing of these panels requires the use of electricity generated from fossil fuel.
YEs, and The chevy volt (in this video) used a gas engine to power the electric car after about 50 miles. So the Volt was operating in a 50 mile electric range until the gas motor kicked in to power the car on electric. The volt was more like a hybrid car.When the battery's energy is depleted, a gasoline-fueled engine generates electricity to power the electric drive unit while simultaneously sustaining the charge of the battery. This extends the range of the Volt to more than 500 kilometers and eliminates the range anxiety commonly associated with electric vehicles. So the Volt didn't have the problems full EV cars have with range.
@@tomsd8656 Converting energy from one form to another comes at great loss of efficiency. Porting that power to an outlet causes massive transmission losses. I don't think the EV is really saving much, except it's moving the fossil fuel consumption away from the vehicle, which is good for city air, but not moving the needle for the planet.
I agree that hybrid tech is VERY promising. Good power and ridiculously good gas mileage, plus, if you keep your driving to a minimum as I do, you can do a lot of good with a pretty cheap solar panel.
The main "benefit" of pure EV is it restricts the mobility of common people.
I did a quick check on google maps and Winterberg actually has 8 charging points in the town center alone and additionally more than that spread out across the rest of the communal territory.
Well don’t forget this video is 2 years old haha. I’m sure the information was accurate at the time. And that’s part of it, we just need to wait for infrastructure to catch up, while incentivizing it to happen.
10:13 I think this is an underestimate of the required fast charging stations. It's not just the distance between each fueling / charging station, it's also the wait for vehicles in front of me to finish fueling / charging. Consider how many gas stations and pumps are available, yet we often have to wait for an empty pump. What would that wait be like if it took 15 or more minutes for every vehicle to pump half a tank of gas?
it would be negated somewhat because you'd be able to charge your car at home, so the only people sitting at the charging stations would be those that are travelling. There would be way less traffic at the charging stations compared to gas stations. Still though, that's a good point and research into that definitely needs to be done.
More then that! On a busy day of recharging I'd say your looking at an hour minimum of waiting to even get to the plug...let alone waiting for the car to charge.
@@Scott_Salmon Except most EVs would require expensive, special hookups to really charge at a home.
And most homes dont have the electrical infrastructure to support that. So you are looking at a special hook up, including separate circuit breaker box, which need to be installed by a licensed electrician.
My neighbor just bought a Tesla and was bragging that it cost him 18k total to get his garage set up to charge it in accordance with the manufacturer specs.
I was laughing my ever-living ass off when he tried to go to work the other day and after charging all night in the single digit temps, his car barely had a 1/4 charge, and he ended up being towed home because his batter failed due to the cold.
Bingo
If you live in an apartment, you can't install a charger, even if you want to. Most people live in an apartment, so you won't be reducing the number of stations needed. And considering the lines we already wait in on a work day before rush hour to fill gas, which takes 3 minutes, if it takes 30 minutes, you'll need ten times as many at a minimum. Possibly more. That makes it vastly more expensive infrastructure because you have to have so much excess capacity for peak demand to prevent multi hours waiting lines. Such waiting lines will definitely push people away from EVs if they happen, and you could see a weird swing back to gasoline cars right when it looks like EVs won.
This charging problem is the biggest issue, and really, I don't think it has any hope of being truly solved this decade. We might see the final solution before the decade is out, but I'll wager that 2030 will come and go before everyone is within 4 minutes of charging their car to 300 miles in 30 minutes.
I physically rolled my eyes when you mentioned the different standards and gave a sigh of relief at the EU/CCS part. Who knew a documentary could be such a rollercoaster
To be fair the only standards left are CCS and Tesla... Cetmo stopped being a thing and the other one is just the low power form of CCS.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough And Tesla won't do anything about it if not forced to, as they were in Europe
You can argue Tesla are still developing the technology. Standards become standards by volume and convenience. It's a natural market force to evolve and these connections to there best utility. Look at how awesome USB-C plugs are - so obvious in retrospect, but it took decades of design iteration and factories, and manufacturing scale to get to this point. Just need a slightly long timeline on this - standards emerge based on evidence, they're not set and perfect from day 1.
@@Corloi They weren't forced to in many other countries which are not Europe including Jordan, UAE, Hong Kong, Macau, Kazakhstan, Australia, New Zealand - all of these use CCS2 standard, same as Europe.
Shout-out for my local Dublin, CA Tesla Service Center used as B roll in the video. I also happened to have grown up in Salina, KS, and I've used that very Supercharger when visiting relatives there.
Just to point out (sorry as an electronics engineer it really bugged me!) - an inverter is not just another name for a 'converter'. An inverter specifically converts DC into AC. A rectifier converts AC into DC. The 250kW unit you showed in the video is completely unsuitable for charging a car from the power grid. You'd need either a 250kW rectifier to convert to DC (for DC fast charging), or just a transformer to supply AC, which will be rectified by the internal rectifier on the car. And while EVs do have an on-board inverter (that's partly what makes the 'whining' sound characteristic of some EVs), it's for driving the AC motor from the DC battery.
You made a mistake with the names of the Chevy cars.
The Chevy *Volt* with a "V", is a plug-in hybrid, and is discontinued, so you can no longer buy a new one.
The Chevy *Bolt* EV with a "B", is their fully electric vehicle, and is still in production.
The new Bolt EV's EPA range is exactly 259 miles, so it seems pretty clear that he meant the Bolt EV, not the Volt, not to mention he put the Bolt EV's MSRP.
LOL GM marketing. Absolutely nobody knows the difference between the two vehicles.
@@samsaxe-taller8333 are you fucking kidding me. The narrator pronounced "Volt" and not "Bolt." The name of the model is spelled out in 2 different illustrations - both times V and not B. You think Wendover productions can't spell? In fact, the more I think of this, I am dismayed that Wendover hasn't addressed the issue here. I rely on their expertise. Mistakes can be made. They can be fixed. Notice of errata, corrections, etc. Nobody wants to spend who knows how many hours on a video just so people can watch it and say, well that might be right for the research might be slipshod or proofreading so poor that at best you can say, but who knows for sure. Sycophants attempting to divine meaning in the face of unambiguous statements do not help anyone.
Why are we fighting over this? if its not tesla, does it even matter? haha. I mean, just like i wont buy a kangaztan made internal combustion car, i wont buy a non-tesla...
Actually the volt is an electric car. The whole car system is electric. It just uses the engine to recharge the battery. It's more of a electric car with a generator back up if anything.. The only reason why it's "considered" a plug in hybrid is because there are situations where it uses the engine at high speeds because it's economically more efficient that way. It's a complicated and hard to understand car though.
The “problem” of being able to charge in 31 minutes is not actually the problem. The real problem is that people don’t realise that they don’t need to charge in 31 minutes. It will be very rare that you need a 100% charge.
The problem is cost, range anxiety is portrayed as the issue because to try and blame 'people' for not buying EV's
This. If you charge at home you almost never need to use public charging so speed higher than level 2 is not needed. Wide spread level 2 charging is all that is really needed to ensure everyone's vehicle is topped off every single day. Additionally the 291 miles of range that people think they need is crazy as the vast majority of people travel
Are you saying people and their idiotic attitudes and misconceptions are a barrier to progress, especially when it comes top green technology and climate change??
Honestly people seem to be the big problem. If only there was some global scale disaster to knock back their population and teach them a lesson in respect.
@@jumpingspider7105 Climate change will in fact solve it's self. Equilibrium is always achieved, often without those species that are unable to adapt.
@@jumpingspider7105 wait what
Very detailed information!
Informative video! But everytime you said inverter, you were referring to a rectifier. They are opposite devices in function
There’s an error in this video at 6:02. What is being described in the video should be a rectifier, not an inverter. Inverters only convert DC to AC. The device that converts AC to DC is called a rectifier.
Also at 7:01 it shows an inverter (literrally written on the scene "DC to AC Power"), nevertheless not recognised by the video maker that it is not what he talking about and made price estimation based on that irrelevant thing.
bridge rectifier to be exact.
@@animaze86 double wave bridge rectifier. You had to get that precise...well you didn't say if it was double or single wave rectifier
@@kistosable lol indeed :)
The precise nazi
Damn, Wendover must have felt real adventurous to go out of his comfort zone of aircrafts. You are seriously rolling the dice here my friend...
Your profile pic goes well with this comment.
Planes mentioned and shown towards the end of the video.
@@junrosamura645 ah, he never fails to satisfy
If you think about it cars are just planes that never got past the takeoff phase.
It’s why there are so many errors in the video.
Thing is you only need to visit a charging station 10% of the time when you charge at home only if you really need to on longer trips. And most Ev‘s on the market now do 400km+ of distance before needing to stop for anywhere between 30 min to 90 min for another 400km depending on model. I can’t drive for more than 4 hours without pissing or stopping to eat anyway. So it isn’t really a problem for most users. The rest of the time I charge at home once a week on Friday evenings on the 30amp for a fully charged battery. The rest of the time I can charge on the 8amp power outlet next to the garage and it’s more than enough to get to work and back every day. The idea is to charge whenever it’s parked. There is no need to supercharge every single time. That’s just wasteful.
An excellent and informative episode
The Chevrolet Volt was discontinued, these facts apply to the Bolt. Great content as always!
Well done, GM Marketing Department! Oh, and the Volt was a plug-in hybrid, with only 50 miles of all-electric range at its peak. Still, it was an excellent transition technology.
Plug in hybrids are probably the best bet until the infrastructure is adequate.
@@ewmlloyd They really did screw the pooch with those names.
@@monteclark1115 Think about how many times you drive more than ~200 miles in a day. For most people it's not that often. During the transition you can rent an ICE car if you're making a road trip. You're saving a lot in fuel costs so having the added expense isn't that bad.
Had a volt for four years. Almost no one knew it could run on gas...GM get messaging and marketing all wrong.
"George Westinghouse and his alternating current system."
Nikola Tesla: what the hell
Westinghouse actually made products.
Westinghouse Electric was the company that made AC power the standard in the US, Tesla was just a guy that they licensed some AC motor patents from. AC was already becoming popular in Europe at the time, and Westinghouse also looked at another set of AC motor patents that predated Tesla's before deciding that Tesla's patents were more useful.
I was looking for this comment
It was Westinghouse who gave Edison a run for his money as a businessman, but considering the link to electric cars, a mention of Tesla would have been appropriate.
The war of currents still continues, but on a new battle field....
Hey. Now this is some proper information. Thank you.
This video was super informative and educational. Thanks a ton!. I hate giving you compliments, but this was great..
The car you're calling a "Volt" is actually a "Bolt". The Volt was a plug-in hybrid that was discontinued a few years ago.
Also at 5:30 they say "AC to DC inverter" correct me, but I think inverters convert DC to AC and a transformer rectifier converts AC to DC.
@@daviddennis5789 Correct. Though it's more of a DC to AC converter because it uses a switch mode power supply and not a big iron transformer like a power grid might use.
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you be hungry but not be able to eat
you will be thirsty but wont be able to drink
you will be tired but cant sleep
you will have no hope
you will have no rest
you will feel pure hatred towards you (satan and the fallen
angels/demons hate you and want to drag you to hell)
“For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal
life in Christ Jesus our Lord” -Romans 6:23
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me." -John 14:6
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my
Father which is in heaven." -Matthew 10:33
The Bolt has also been recalled stay away from GM. they only kill Evs.
@@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN And people say atheists never shut up.
That bush at 17:30 is like what did I even do to you man...
In Germany 70% of EV owners state they would not buy them anymore.
why though?
Source please.
where is this news from?
@@tristahui573 I responded recently.
I'd like a source for that.
I litterally know nobody who regrets their ev purchase.
I have an EV and I think the biggest challenge is to educate the consumers about EVs. The first thing that confused me was the charge "adapters" like CCS, J1772, Chademo etc. they all sound so technical that a common person would find them intimidating. The EV business has a definite target audience that's why it's hard to make it mainstream.
I am not political, but oftentimes I mention my interest in buying an EV to people and all of sudden they become hostile.
The strength of EVs is that you charge at night every day. You’re not going to a refueling station (fast charger) on a regular basis like a ICE-car. It’s a new way to think. Fast charging is ONLY for large distance trips. Most people have a short enough commute to be able to charge at night.
And apartment people can charge at the grocery store!!!!!!!!!
@@Travis0palzae Or throw a plug from the balcony to the car and hope nobody unplugs it overnight XD
Absolutely. And you can stick charges in spots that you can't stick gas stations. For example, a lot of colleges have EV charging spots, so you go to class, and by the time you get out you have dozens of miles of range. Or a lot of workplaces also have EV charging spots right in the parking lot, so you get off work completely filled without even thinking about it. And all of these cases, you can go months and months without ever explicitly stopping at a place to fill your car
Then the government should require all condos and apartments with parking lots to install AC charges for every stall. Then in places with only street parking install charges on the sidewalks. That is the solution.
If the pandemic has taught use anything, it is I will not go to a store for 30 minutes so I can use my car.
Yep. I always see FUD spreaders saying crap like "I want my charge in 5 minutes like the gas station!" and I'm thinking that 5 minutes is too long to spend interacting with the fueling process of my vehicle. I want to plug it in and walk away. Come out the next morning, unplug it and drive away. And never have to stop or go out of my way like I do for a gas station. I can't wait to never go to a gas station and stand outside in the cold squeezing a gas pump nozzle again.
"in the EU and neighbouring countries like the UK"
*clutches chest in pain at the reminder of [redacted]*
L'UE et la banlieue.
A UE e arredores.
La UE e las redondezas.
Die EU und die Vororte.
L'UE e le periferie.
BREXIT
Brexit was good though...
@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit not for people like me that buys everything off aliexpress when any UK business doesn't want to import it at all, or for anything less than a 100% markup.
why clutching your chest? have you seen the difference between British & European Covid vaccination? have you seen that the UK bought the AstraZeneka vaccine in March, while the EU waited until August to buy it? have you seen that the UK has funded AstraZeneka's vaccine development, while the EU & Germany offered the 0€ to BioNTech, which had to work alongside Trump-funded Pfizer?
that's why Germany, France, Italy, & the EU are attacking AstraZeneka's efficacy.
Those numbers are kinda wild. I wouldnt buy ine till its range is over 400 miles, its cost is under 30k, and its charge time was under 5 minutes. Cause my 23 elantra hits all of those.
This was so good!
17:48 I had to wait far too long for this Wendover video to mention planes or airports.
Two things I wish the video addressed are 1. charging from home 2. The average American daily drive distance
Exactly. You don't need nearly as many DC fast chargers as the video tries to imply. Those are only needed for long distance travel. For the majority of daily driving scenarios a cheap AC charger at your parking spot is all that is needed.
The issue is that people don't actually buy based on their normal use case. They buy aspirationally, or based on what they consider they might possibly need to do occasionally. If 99% of my trips are between home, work, and the shops, but 1% of my trips might maybe take me across the Nullarbor, I'm not going to buy a car that can't cross the Nullarbor.
@@SwoopWoW My parents both rarely drove enough in a day for their job to exhaust a full charge, so overnight charging would be enough for that. However, we did take one or two holidays to France every year, and if you need to drive 1200 km in a day you want to be able to fill up quickly instead of having to wait almost an hour several times. Why would you take a car that works the majority of the time instead of all the time?
@@JimCullen You're missing the point. The problem isn't the 1% it's the density. There's no need to have public car charges at the same density as gas stations because only a small fraction of car charges will be on public charging stations.
@@JimCullen wouldn't that depend on factors such as cost? Here in Norway gasoline is crazy expensive, while electricity.. well, slightly less so.
My 2017 Leaf only gets about 210km (130mi) of range, tops, but with cost/mile at less than 1/10th that of a comparable ICE vehicle and a much lower TCO, it would save me money even if I had to lease an ICE car 4-5 times a year.
And there are enough fast charges here that finding one is trivial, and the Leaf charges a useful amount in the time it takes to take a leak and maybe enjoy some ice-cream or a hot-dog.
I just bought a new car, and I had already decided to not even look at EVs because of the problem of not just charger availability, but the time it takes to charge a battery vs fill a tank of gas.
Didn’t even take a year for this video to come true
“The predecessor is the internal combustion car that you, yourself almost certainly use” *Laughs in public transportation*
But is that public transport fitted with an ICE? ;)
@@jarleskogly8388 they can use electric public transportation, those are even more common.
No it isn't, I've got a Japanese import EV kei van.😝
laughs in covid-19
@@jarleskogly8388 not always.
Next video on Wendover:
The logistics of flying Teslas
I could cry when looking at my like dislike ratio. I have so many jealous people that my videos always get way more dislikes than likes. Please don't be jealous, dear fh
@@AxxLAfriku you get dislikes because you ask people to subscribe on other videos
It wont happen.. sorry
Actually, Tesla is planning to make electric planes in the future.
The chevy volt used a gas engine to power the electric car after about 50 miles. So the Volt was operating in a 50 mile range until the gas motor kicked in to power the car on electric. The volt was more like a hybrid car.When the battery's energy is depleted, a gasoline-fueled engine generates electricity to power the electric drive unit while simultaneously sustaining the charge of the battery. This extends the range of the Volt to more than 500 kilometers and eliminates the range anxiety commonly associated with electric vehicles. So the Volt didnt have the problems full EV cars have with range.
so 2 years on and this has now been assigned to the waste bin.
I work in the EV Charger industry, and this is extremely well-researched video, kudos.
It true that it’s well researched however the basis is overall misleading. There is no problem with charging. Over a year with my car now and two long trips. No issues. This coming year I get solar and power walls. After that 95% of my driving will be free
There are a number of mistakes, though.
1. He mistakenly referred to the Bolt as the Volt, which are 2 different cars
2. He referred to rectifiers as inverters, and showed the price of an inverter.
3. The chevy volt uses a J-1772, not CCS. This is a minor mistake but is important
4. He said something positive about the "state" of oklahoma
5. Salina was mispronounced
It's a decent video, but he didn't really touch on the fact that for people who own homes, don't need to go more than 200 miles in a day and don't need to take their car on a road trip, charging has been solved. When I talk to friends and family about EV's, they always bring up the point of "Where the hell am I supposed to charge it?!", and when I bring up if they have electricity in their home they can charge it there they often have a moment of realization. Also, if you get stuck anywhere, you can always plug it in a standard wall outlet, so I always carry around a 50' extension cable just in case.
"Invertor" converts DC to AC. The correct term for AC to DC is "rectification".
Inside and EV, it's a "charger".
That's definitely not the only mistake in this video.
Yeah I dont want to be a d*ck but its not the best video out there for this topic. Far too much simplification, its too dumbed down.
@@chaist94 Americans _INVENTED_ electric cars, and NO it wasn't Elon Musk.
@@chaist94 He's a US citizen for several years now. Try to keep up.
EVs *do* drive from Perth to Sydney and vice versa. It does take a while though. It is, after all, 3935km or 2445 miles.
There are some charging options in the gap. They can also be carried by trucks and trains across that gap.
There's not much of any sort of facility in that gap. But efforts are being made to electrify the place.
Incidentally: Tesla does CCS in Australia too.
Thanks!
He keeps mentioning the Chevy “Volt”, which is a hybrid. I think he means the Chevy “Bolt” which is their EV.
It is a hybrid - but an electric dominant hybrid. Own one myself nothing like a prius at all and rarely ever use gasoline. It's just a backup.
Yes he mentioned the range for the Bolt as 240. Volt range is much shorter
@@kp5803 Yup, Volts are series hybrids (full time electric motor) while a Prius is a parallel hybrid.
@@markallen8022 Yup! BoltEV rated at 259; I believe the best a Volt ever got for AER was about 53 miles.
He was referring to the Bolt.
Even if there were as many charging stations as gas pumps, at 15-30 mins per charge…The lines and wait to get “plugged-in” would be incredible!
This is why the transition to EV will take way longer than GND advocates would like. I'm beginning to think they don't actually care. They want everyone in EVs and they want that now. All the better that it hinders extended trips. After all, the Marxists WANT there to be a breakdown in the nuclear family. Nothing more corrosive to familial relations than separating family members across distances that would be nearly impossible to travel by EV.
Most EV's will be charged at home and only rarely need a DC fast charge. That drastically decreases the need for fast charging stations. You won't need as many DC fast charging stations as gas stations. On top of that new battery types will charge even faster.
Yeah, it may be cool now to get an EV when you're the only person at the "pump" or there is one other car, but what happens when you have to wait in line like customers at gas stations? It won't be as cool at that point.
@@buzz4633 aside from our homes, places like workplaces or malls or superstores where people park for long periods anyways are already starting to provide ev charging.
@@IMCcanTWEESTED If you think about it....it is good for gas stations...you will eat there and drink...so consumption is going to increase and they make more money from it.
It would be interesting to look at this with today's knowledge
Charger stations that are used less frequently could swap the large inverter for an internal battery. No idea whether that would lower the price tag much, but certainly a bit. They could also sell their storage capacity for grid stabilisation
They would still need an inverter to charge the large batter though
At the risk of being :that guy:, an inverter converts from DC to AC (inverts the voltage at 60hz), whereas a a rectifier converts from AC to DC (rectifies the voltage wave to DC).
A rectifier is a "dumb" component, usually the first part of a converter, as it makes the buck or boost conversion process more stable. Converters will smartly control their output voltage, which allows for droop control or current limitations.
@@AuxiliaryPanther Agree 100%.
You're not "being that guy". That's a very important distinction. Inverters and rectifiers are designed completely differently, and rectifiers in general are a lot cheaper than inverters, so that price comparison he showed was completely wrong.
Honestly, if he couldn't get this basic piece of information correct, then I doubt the legitimacy of anything else in the video.
Was annoying me, as well. When they get things like that wrong, what else is there that's inaccurate?
@@altersami9660 he has to answer to this comment
BTW: There are two types of CCS connectors, CCS1 and CCS2. The one show in the video is CCS2 which is used in Europe. CCS1 is used in North America
There's even stock footage of a Type-1 CCS connector almost directly after the diagrams showing a Type-2 CCS!
CSS Type 2 is not only used for Europe, the whole world (except China and North America) uses it.
That's because most of the world is on a 240/400V electrical system, versus the US on 120/240V
@@mark123655 its not a voltage issue. CCS (both types) is an AC connector plus two DC connectors, using the comms channel of the AC connector. J1772 (the AC connector on CCS1) is a single phase connector (american 220v is actually a single phase that hasn't been center tapped to produce 2 "phases"). the type 2 connector (the AC connector on CCS2) is a three phase connector. "400v" is generally 3 phase, with 220v between any one phase and ground, which gives 400v between any two phases.
Excellent video 2 years after you’re still right
Of course the real solution is to just not use cars for long distance travel in the first place. You don't need that much range just to go to work or the store, and can charge while parking or overnight for that. The range only becomes an issue if you want to use a car for long-range trips; which you should really just be able to take a train for.
Been installing fast chargers for 10 years now for a few different company's and huge amount of the funding has always been government funds. A lot of grants and subsidies.
The bigger problem is finding contractors that want to do the jobs. There small jobs that have several different trades. It's hard to find sub contractors to do the work because the part of the job you need them to do is so minor and when you do find them the bids are very high to make it worth doing the job. This means you have to find small contractors that can do the whole job themselves or at least most of it. Although there small jobs they can be pretty complex. There are a lot of obstacles such as working in a parking lot that has a lot of auto and foot traffic, saw cutting and excavating around existing utilities, running conduit to the stores existing electrical panel which in many cases is on the opposite side of the store, adding ADA ramps and sometimes removing and repaving the parking stalls to meet the max slope requirements for ADA stalls and many other obstacle's. And your have to do all this in a space of about 5 parking stalls that have to be fenced off the entire time. It's not easy to fit all the material, construction equipment and charging equipment in a space that small and still have room to work. And then you throw in the fact that you have to have good coordinating with the store manager, city inspectors and in a lot of cases utility company's to get the electrical powered up. There just aren't a lot of small contractors that can or want to deal with it. Which is part of the reason charging stations aren't be installed at a faster pace. Last time I looked there were 85 jobs (charging stations) ready for bids and installation just in our area. Well, this was a lot longer than I meant for it to be but just wanted to give people a little insight.
Thanks for the info. That is really interesting and I never would have known it otherwise.
I’m an electrician, which area ? Send me a message I’ll do them
Why is Government using My Tax Money to Subsidize Private E.V...Companies.....That's Bullshit....!!!!
@@marcruby5844 theyre using it for a lot worse than that haha
@@marcruby5844
Why is Government using My Tax Money to Subsidize Private Oil...Companies.....That's Bullshit....!!!!
Hey Wendover, when you display data as fact like "The average person in the US is 4 minutes away from a gas station", could you pop just a little link at the bottom of the picture stating the source? I think it's super important for such a bitesized video.
Especially as "average" is SUPER misleading when cities house massive numbers of people in a few city blocks. I live on a farm...40 miles from a town
+1
Notice the numbers in brackets in the lower left corner? Those are references to sources linked in the description. Check references 6 and 7 for your sources.
@@unknown-ql1fk it's not really misleading he said "average" that includes rural and urban so it won't be correct for everyone.
@@unknown-ql1fk Thats how mean(s) work, as outliers like city folks skew it quite heavily towards one end or another
EV may not need oil change approximately every 6 monhs. But its charging time is almost as long a changing oil done at least once a day.
You have totally missed the behavior change in consumers. Your gas station is now your home, not so with combustion. That means every day you start at 100 and the need for fast charging is generally limited to long road trips.