[TF2] The Absurd Subclasses of MvM - Part 2
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I love playing huntsman in MVM
You are the only exception to "huntsman is bad in mvm". Your wideness simply negates its weakness
@@z1u512
It's almost like he's using some kind of magic
I for one love playing "damage" scout
F F O K C U F
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“In the same way that the heavy is TF2’s shiny poster child, the fat scout is perhaps the single most well-known subclass of them all”
Demoknight: Are you sure about that?
(an angry Trolldier is rapidly approaching your location)
Hoovy: am I a joke to you?
@@REELWORKS12923 Hoovy is just annoying "oh great. A useless teammate, that's faaaaantaaaastic." Boxing Heavy is a better example and more well known than both.
oh god, I have a feeling this reply section is gonna be a battle field
@@thechazz3230 being a friendly isn't a subclass, it's just a way if playing that is aplicable to any class
The prime mvm squad:
Overweight guy wielding a shotgun.
Minecraft soldier.
A terrorist.
And a man child chugging radiation.
God i love this game.
Great to see you back Mr. Weezer.
😏
whats with these homies dissing my girl
@@Tom-cj5wt racism?
He uploads once a month, this isnt him being back just the norm
*Wrestle with Jimmy intensifies*
What about madmilk medic? His absurdity shows itself when you see half of your team charging mindlessly to their own death and you just "F**k this shit" and cover the entirety of the robots with milk non-stop to make sure you won't run in panic between your suicidal teammates and scream "This is insanity! I can't take it anymore!"
Scout with the largest splash radius on his milk with a slowdown effect and recharge time upgrades: "Fuck off doc, it's my turn*
"Milk"
yeah; i like having it as backup
Considering it's medic, it should be "Mein Gott, zis is insane, Stop das!"
Remember kids, for every sub class you have, there needs to be 2 classes doing their intended role, or else you're 1 team wipe away from a restart.
If there's ever going to be a part 3 somehow, I have another subclass not presented here.
Bison Soldier.
Surprisingly, the Righteous Bison has a use, and a purpose in MVM, since it can hit multiple times with a single shot, it can be effectively used as a tank destroyer, and it's still somewhat useful against regular robots.
P.S Excessive Use of Crit Canteens is advised for best results
We should all strive to be like the Bison soldier
As a Bison soldier, I can confirm, it eats tanks for breakfast. A full upgraded bison gets full use of one krit canteen on a full clip, or most of a Kritz uber if your medic is cool.
You're less effective on regular robots, but it's still enough to get away with.
No joke actually, shooting a bison diagonally through a tank literally fries its insides
In front of or behind the tank?
@ It doesn't really matter, with how slow the Tank goes you can only get one or two more ticks of damage based on positioning. Optimally though yeah, you shoot it diagonally from behind.
That said, shooting from in front of the tank can hit bots stuck behind it, which is a good bonus.
With the pipe demo, replacing your stickybomb launcher with the chargin targe is a great combo, that 30% blast and 50% fire resistance come as a savior in the early waves
it saves a lot of money too ig
Hello people and welcome to the series: Meat men vs gear guys Subspecies, where a funny banana guy explains guns.
Pipe demo: You forgot that switching weapons was an option
Boxing heavy: You are tired of ignoring those tanks but now you are tired of dying
Fat scout: You didnt forgot to switch weapons… unfortunately
Huntsman sniper: You are the type of human who says vegan meat is the same thing as normal meat
Trolldier: “I wonder why soundsmith doesnt upload mvm videos that often?”
Loved this vid 10/10 would eat here again
*Pybro:* Still trying to argue that the Homewrecker should deal more damage against robots
*Pyroshark:* Still trying to argue that robots aren't waterproof
*Pyroland Pyro:* About to be kicked for running stock
That last one with trolldier can be summed up in one sentence
“If it doesn’t make their playstyle viable, people simply won’t play it”
@Chase Tiria same thing-
@@davidhong1934 homewrecker should
whos soundsmith?
imagine if huntsman had that unique projectile penetration and explosive headshot. It'd be an interesting option I'd say.
for trolldier? Market Gardener gets a damage buff and 'crits while midair deal 100% damage to all surrounding targets'
explosive market gardener /:)
i mean, either that or you go full balls to the wall in terms of single target damage, 390 damage per market garden (assuming 4 +25% damage upgrades and guaranteed crits) really isn't that much damage, so perhaps we could have the damage increase based on your fall momentum aswell
I'd also give it a Range extension upgrade.
Trolldier should get "Armour Piercing" upgrade
Exactly like Spies knife, **MASSIVE** Damage against Giants.
@@fortnitesexman yeah that’s another option. But we leave the damage boost as a base increase, and the momentum boost as a multiplier, then the explosive can pass damage around but not the momentum boost. Up to 300% off the momentum sound good? (That’d make the single target strike deal 390 minimum, 1440 max)
an upgrade that makes it crit when airborne for any reason, not just explosives
Hell, we’re forgetting the goomba stomp. It’s calculation is ‘fall damage increased by 10, then multiplied by 3’ last I checked.
So, a four stage booster that doubles that damage multiplier each stack (so 6x, 12x, 24x, 48x). So a strong goomba stomp could deal somewhere close to 2000 damage on a basic stomp, and close to 5000 on a super one. (Fall damage is about 15-50% max health based on momentum, so for soldier it’s 30-100, but the damage for the stomp would calculate 40-110)
There’s ways to make it viable with the right buffs.
Give it Multishot or something, every upgrade adds an arrow to it with accuracy variation like a Pistol.... fully upgraded it's like a Shotgun styled arrow launcher
With it's massive hitbox on the projectile it could be very strong, but would force you to be closer for focused single target damage
Demo being more than a little busted in MVM is to be expected considering he’s also more than a little busted in pretty much every other scenario.
Sniper being the overwhelmingly broken class of MvM is expected considering he's also overwhelmingly overpowered in every other gamemode.
@@muddashucka9743 how is it that every reply you have on this video is an overwhelmingly bad take
soldier is just as busted as demo here so yeah
@@slightlyaltruistic9470 You have to be either sniper main or blind to not notice how broken Sniper is
@@exploertm8738 Sniper is kinda op, but he is not THAT op
I wouldn't sweat the fact it took a bit longer to get this video out, Weezy - sometimes, Real Life(TM) just likes to kick our asses. Looking forward to seeing more from you!
One thing I will always give the Huntsman Sniper playstyle that I'm surprised you didn't mention is Jarate.
With a normal Rifle, You have to usually abandon your post and get close to the front lines to douse a boss or a bunch of robots at once and then retreat back to your post. Which can often times be not worth it.
With the Huntsman however, You're always gonna be a lot closer to the front lines. Allowing for possible the Huntsman Snipers greatest strength, Near constant support with Jarate.
Mini Crits + Slow can be deceptively powerful and rolled into One Weapon its great. Sadly outclassed by Scout. But can be useful if your friend group doesn't wanna play Scout. (Tho it does let the Scout invest in damage upgrades without worrying about Support too)
I can't believe Weezer didn't think about the battle medic as a subclass.
Yeah that actually exists. Needless (heh) to say, having a max firing speed with proper resistances and critical hits on the blutsauger spells absolute insanity on the final wave. Oh, and the small bonus of mad milk syringes building ubercharge is pretty nice too >:)
actually with mad milk syringes its smarter to use the stock syringe gun, or even the overdose if you want to trade off a little damage for movement speed
@@coobk373 I won't even say little damage, it's basically no damage
maybe part 3 material?
@@nickrustyson8124 true 1 damage at long distance, and like 4 at max rampup
Needle medic is surprisingly good, true raid tanker who can hug almost every wave and replace scout for money collecting.
I remember playing with him in a public game, he was such a chill and nice guys.
"An arrow to that knee jerk reaction"
You sir should be awarded
Im using a sub class of the boxing heavy i call "bodyblocking heavy".
Basically i just get all of the def & health regen upgrades & go melee the bots while wearing fists of steel.
The only things i havent been able to block were giant heavys with miniguns, giant pyros with flamethrowers & anything with melee.
Honestly kinda fun to block a giant crit soldier while calling them a spy.
you madman, tell me more
Ah yes, Reinhardt from Overwatch.
You single handey brought me back into mvm and I cant thank you enough for it
When you said Huntsman, I immediately knew what was coming after
“Let me take an arrow to that kneejerk reaction” actually brilliant wordplay
You forgot the most important part about the huntsman video. Soundsmith makes videos about meme weapons all the time and he was expecting the huntsman to be bad but by the end of the video he found out his was top damaging. Now this could be a statistical inconsistency like maybe his co-op was hanging back to let him get footage but still it sent home the message to people who didn't understand mvm that this was the greatest possible pick.
He also says multiple times "DO NOT do this in Mann up mode" it's not his fault some idiots went and did it anyway.
My Opinon on each of the subclasses:
Pipe Demo is EXTREMELY Underrated, it's my way to play in Wave 666 since you get loads of credits to start. Max out all the upgrades & Explosive resistance with the stock stickybomb launcher. You can then build your own teleporter with 3-4 stickies to get to the front lines & shred every bot in your site with 180 damage pipes.
Boxing Heavy would be better if there were some more KGB-exclusive upgrades like stunning bots on critical hits or speed boost on kill, but still pretty goos when it works
Fat Scout is not good. Just not good. Just use miniguns.
Huntsman sniper is....kinda alright? I guess? With the bleed and penetration, it can kinda compete with some of the low tier snipers, but still kinda a meme weapon, regardless of what funny shovel man says.
Trolldier is dogshit.
I feel like the steak should be given more buffs, not the gloves. That way, the subclass has expanded use to all melees.
I'd absolutely love boxing heavy to be able to gib robots with an upgrade now that I think of it
Soundsmith did straight up say multiple times to not use this in Mann up mode, but I guess people don't listen
Quick question for fellow MvM players and funny man Weez.
I got in my first toxic MvM lobby some time ago after playing the game for such a long time. People were saying shit like "I shoot niggas" (but hard R instead). You know, the "authentic" TF2 experience.
I had Beggar's Bazooka on me with the Manthreads, which should've been Buff Banner but I forgot to switch back. But Beggar's Bazooka + Buff Banner is a solid loadout. One of the best, if I'm not mistaken.
I got asked by one of my teammates why I'm using a Refill canteen. I explained that BB has an ammo issue, and that it needs Refill until I have enough points put in Ammo Cap, to just switch it out for something else.
And the dude saying all that racist stuff told me these EXACT words:
"Wrong answer. *buzzer noise* Just stand next to a Dispenser and unequip the weapon. Enjoy your last 8 seconds here." and they then vote kicked me.
I'm left thinking that I did something wrong. When I'm pretty sure I didn't. I am more than certain that Refill is a blessing for BB in early and even late stages of MvM. With bigger clip size, and faster reload speed upgrades, it fills up your Buff Banner meter almost instantly consistently.
And to take that Dispenser comment into note here, I'm not always gonna be near a Dispenser and the Dispenser is not always going to be near me. There are going to be multiple situation where I have to restock on ammo in the midst of actively trying to be on offense against the bots, and I'm going to be nowhere a Dispenser.
So my question is:
Am I stupid and am I missing something or are they the stupid ones? Next to the slurs and stuff ofc.
Assholes. Ammo Canteens are perfectly fine, hell even more so WITH Ammo Capacity Upgrades. Just report them and move on.
Nah, according to the Beggar's Bazooka video, you're supposed to stand near a dispenser and blow your horn when you need ammo
When you're the only one on a server not dropping racial slurs, you're going to be kicked no matter what
Gonna use these all in my first tour soon! Thanks!
Loving this wordplay
"The money pile is more of a money puddle."
"I'll swallow that pill if it means mine are stronger."
So satisfying 👌
Imagine getting multiple Explosive Headshots with one arrow. That would be amazing and it's a crying shame that Huntsman lacks the upgrade. It's already riskier than rifles, throw it a bone!
Rifles also have a Penetration upgrade and can get multiple Explosive Headshots at once, so it wouldn't even be unique.
I really like to play MvM, this channel is for me! Keep up the good work
Watching your vids really makes me to test MvM since I really was never too interested, and even for me who dont play the gamemode your vids are funny and entertraiment. Good job on doing vids weezy!
You didn’t name Sharpened Volcano Fragment, the best class and sub-class ever
Putting crits on kill for the bottle is great for standard demoman, you can get a crit Scottish resistance by hitting a low health robots 1-2 times.
"I'll swallow that pill if it means mine are stronger." Nice wordplay throughout this video tbh!
thanks for the new subclass video, very cool!
Part 3 please. These subclass videos are so much fun to watch. Got a new sub
How to make the Market Gardener viable:
Jumping Crits
If you land a critical hit, it automatically sends out a stock rocket in your direction that doesn't hurt you.
This accomplishes 2 things. First, it gives you a slight AoE damage. Second, and more importantly, it allows you to chain together gardens.
I think this could work. Any thoughts?
I thought something kinda stupid for the mantreads: upgrade the stomp damage for x2 for every tick(max be x9 or x11) and/ or if get successful with a boot kill you an 5-6 seconds of being crit boost and upgrading to 15-18 seconds. That might sound broken, but given you have to kill a robot with the mantreads, you should get a powerful reward like that
The Market Gardener should have either a stun/slow mechanic or increased melee range
The Manntreads should create an explosion upon landing, exactly like the PhD Flopper
The thing about rocket jumper gardens is that they're more meant as a skillful and flashy way to kill other human players, it's not really meant to be incredibly lethal, which is what you need in man vs machine
@@theshermantanker7043 You're right, but Trolldier is such a common subclass in the main game, so I think they should count in MvM.
@@starmaker75 i was thinking of a manntreads upgrade that increases air speed. give the trolldier more control over where he goes. if the upgrade it good enough, it could even be a viable alternative to buff banner in normal soldier play
Aye I played with you while you were making this video lol. Glad to see it’s out, great vid!
Your mvm content always amazes me
9:34 If I remember correctly, Rescue Ranger bolts also have the penetration upgrade.
Crusader's Crossbow's needles too
Hey Weezy, I was wondering if you could maybe in the future do a guide of how to complete Mecha Engine? I’ve noticed there isn’t any sort of guide at all and who better to cover it, then the king of MVM, himself!
Edit: I’m looking for something hopefully in depth as opposed to: “Just make sure you have a sniper” but I know you’re not going to make it that simple because you’re good with guides!
Good job, it’s great to see you again!
thank you for yet another insightful masterpiece. I'd be really interested to hear more talk about how to go about fixing or rebalancing weapons and classes in MvM, kinda like you emphasized the lack of explosive headshots for huntsman. Would you introduce new upgrades to other weapons? like an explosion/splash upgrade for mantreads? Game balancing or design might not be your strong suit, but stirring some "visible" discourse would be nice. Or if there's balance mods for MvM, going over that type of content? I'm sure you have plenty of video ideas already though and I'll gladly watch whatever you pump out at this quality.
I love Soundsmith's videos to death but it's always painful when someone takes his videos that seriously
Like Yeah it's
Surprisingly good compared to what you would expect, not better than normal sniper
Quality over quantity. Its always a joy watching your videos!
Another mvm video, love to see it!
“Have you ever thrown rocks at segulls?”
-WeezyTF2 2023
"Every day, my hatred towards the term 'influencer' grows ever more strongly," said the influencer
Soundsmith never said everyone should use the Huntsman. He just pointed out how impressed he was with his results with it.
That was a bit on the rough side from Weezy, he's got a point, but come on now.
@@FilipV88yep. It's surprisingly good compared to what you would expect, not better than normal sniper
Really high quality. Great stuff
I have had myself some fun with huntsman sniper on mvm. Nice video, makes me miss the old days.
The frequent use of the Kid Icarus Uprising OST is class
Agreed
Excellent video
I wonder who made some of them popular again
That was Fun Playing Fat Scout and I remember that Guy saying that "Fat Scout is not what I expecting but I respect that" lol
Great work as always man
Pipe Demo on Wave 666 is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE
I subbed to this channel, because it’s very poggers 👍
Finally thank you I am literally playing mvm right now
Always nice hearing Kid Icarus Uprising Ost in unexpected places.
Another subclass: Scorch Shot Spammer = You don't want pyros bringing their gas passer? Meet its twin brother.
It's always a great day when you upload.
0:30 DemoPiper
3:20 Heavyboxingguy
5:27 Fat Scout (yea you know this subclass)
7:54 Bothunter
10:34 Trolldier (you also know him too)
renamed some of these subclasses
Haven't touched MvM in years, but always bring a smile to know it's still alive. (:
"Arrow to the knee-jerk reaction" was very appreciated
Love seeing these
Weezy: "The Fat Scout is perhaps the single most well-known subclass of them all."
Hoovy: *KATOZKY KICK JOYOUSLY*
Arrow to the knee jerk reaction, I'm onto you weezy
Great video!
Great video
Great video bro
The script in this video is so well written.
always excited when he uploads
I'm so glad Adam from YourMovieSucks started making TF2 content
Explosive market garden thank you and good night
I love the conclusions on Trolldier, vibechecking a server is as vital as buying crit canteens to deal with tanks
Cool video continuation mate. You should try doing MvM content on modded community servers because most have super cool mechanics or added twists.
Finally, the banana boy has returned, great video
Splendid content!
Great so see you comrade
Finnaly man took you long enough.
such a good video
11:48 that demo felt your pain
2:45 "but i'll swallow that pill if that means mine are stronger" ✍✍🔥🔥🔥
Good job!
Always fun to see the subclasses interactions with MvM, Valve would never do it but it'd be great if Trolldier got a specific aerial damage boost so he could garden tank-bust
Good looks. Cool vid.
“GRINDSET”
Love that word! 🤣🤣
As soon as I heard "...attach a shovel to his shovel..." I had an idea for so many trolldier upgrades. I got 4 for right now.
Explosive Shovel: 3 upgrade ticks, 250 for each. Acts like explosive headshot, but for the shovel.
Rebound: 1 upgrade tick, 300 for each. Lifts you back up in the air each time you market garden.
Bounceback: 1 upgrade tick, 100 for each. Sends you back the direction you jumped from, dealing no fall damage.
*Canteen* \ Earthquake: 300 Credits for a charge. Sends a ton of robots in the air, dealing 500 damage.
Oh yea, add a damage upgrade for the Market Gardener.
Dude I love how you write your scripts. Banger word play.
Thank you banana man for this fantastic video l.
One time when I was playing MVM Wave 666 with my friends and we were doing random loadouts and I got the loch-n-load, sticky jumper, and eyelander. Originally I thought that it was going to be a bad loadout but the more I played with it, the more I realized how great pipe demo actually was.
Valve should add explosive crits to the Market Garden and explosive stomps to the Mantreads
Sweet vid
Trolldier bouncing on a mantread or causing an explosion on successful rocket jump melee would make it incredibly fun
Thank you papa for the snack
Would love to see the money heavy in the next one
Holy crap, another person who actually throws rocks at seagulls, I thought me and my elementary class were the only ones
Will say, it's funny how, in PVP
The beast set for Heavy is considered the worst, most clunky set of weapons, and the fact they're in a set together is insanity because of poor synergy
But
In MVM
It's probably a very strong contender
You have the Brass Beast, good for clearing robots, both big and small, and the reduced speed isn't a drawback.
Then the steak. You either use it to give Med packs to your allies, or, you can activate it to go sicko mode on the tank
The steak/spirit combo gets to work because the robots can't hurt you if you position the tank between you and them, meaning all the vulnerability is nonexistent
Meaning we have a Heavy that is versatile and flexible in swapping game plans of either Being a strong frontliner, or a Tank DPS machine
I vaguely remember a comunity server with custom upgrades that i played on a few years back.
In that server, equipping the rocket-jumper would unlock flat damage upgrades alongside an "Explosive Garden" upgrade (4 nodes and 100 credits each), which was basically explosive headshot when you landed a garden.
That same server also gave the man-treads a "Stunning Stomp" upgrade (1 node for 800 credits) where stomping on a bot with the man-treads would stun it.
Now all you need to do is tell the masses about the holy light of Bison purging the heretical robots!
Damn, an actually funny arrow to the knee joke in 2022, ur crazy
thank you weezo
Thanks for the video
This video pretty epic