BMW E90 M3 vs. Lexus IS-F | Driver Battles
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2020
- We're back at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway for another episode of Driver Battles, this time featuring Scott Dukeshire and his 2011 BMW E90 M3 going head to head against Willem Drees and his 2009 Lexus IS-F. This isn’t Scott’s first time on Driver Battles. In 2018, he raced his Porsche 996 turbo to victory against an R32 Skyline GT-R. However, his competitor currently holds the naturally-aspirated front-wheel drive record at Chuckwalla in another vehicle. Both know how to get the most out of their cars, but who has the edge?
Starting with Scott, his M3 has seen a few small but impactful modifications. To help the 4.0L V8 engine breathe better is a Macht Schnell intake, along with a Megan Racing muffler. For stopping and cornering, he added Swift lowering springs and Project MU Club racer pads. Of course, it has new wheels and tires, as well, with Volk Racing ZE40 wheels and Nitto NT01 tires.
Willem’s IS-F is overall similarly upgraded to Scott’s M3, but with a few differences thrown in. Instead of an intake and exhaust, the IS-F has been given a Koyorad 48mm radiator to keep its V8 engine cool. His car has also seen upgrades to the suspension and brakes, with KW V3 coilovers, RR Racing lower control arm bushings and Project MW HC+ brake pads. On top of having Advan TC4 wheels, Willem is also running NT01s, so this should be a fair fight. The main difference between the two cars comes down to aero, with Willem having an Alpheyga GT4 carbon lip.
While the horsepower numbers between the cars are similar, with Scott’s M3 having 414 and Willem’s IS-F putting out 416, Willem has a decided advantage in torque, with the IS-F’s 317 lb-ft comparing to the M3’s 295. This one very well might come down to driver skill and cornering ability.
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The isf is too heavy but it’s still my favorite car. A v8 that can go 200k miles no problem is my type of balance
Ethan Benson the one in the ISF is called the 2UR-GSE
took an e90 m3 220k no problem either both are nice!!
Look at the E39 M5 with the S62. Pretty bulletproof engines.
@@gitaarmovies2003 Better than s65 but known flaws just like s65 and costly engines to maintain and build (also rare and expensive coz sought after) . Isf motor is not cheap either but pound for pound, way more reliable and easy on the wallet. S62 sure is one of if not the most loved bmw engine ever. My fave is the S38 with S62 a close 2nd place.
Yep isf it is.
ISF driver with the attitude of a BMW driver... BMW driver with the attitude of an angel.
I can’t believe the host said that Japan doesn’t normally have V8 cars and that BMW doesn’t normally build rev happy V8’s. Can we get actual car guys to host this show for once?
@@moustachio334 yeah why tf are these guys
@@moustachio334If he said in the M3, he’d be right. But he did not, so he’s wrong. With regards to Japan, they’re known for their 4 bangers but they build some great V8’s and V10’s.
@@moustachio334 Japan has nice V8 cars but they aren't all that common. Also, BMW doesn't usually build high revving N/A V8s.
@@aaronvector4750no one can beat the Americans when it comes to V8s, they make the best V8 engines
I would still pick the IS-F, those things are super reliable and last a whole lot longer
Yet the BMW is racing it and whooping it's ass lmao that BMW isn't new
lmao based on what? E90/E92 have very few issues. Throttle actuators and bearings are all that MAY go wrong and not that expensive to take care of. IS-F interiors have been known to melt (mine did ) and the cost to replace all interior panels and labor was more expensive than replacing 2 throttle actuators and bearings in my M3.
@@trebm3 May? They will go out and it's a 2-4k job. ISF won't have any of those issues and have been know to hit over 300k without any major transmission or engine work
But I will say the E90 is a much funnier super sedan.
@@trebm3 Based on facts from shops BMW after -07 has one of the most unreliable engines in the world!
@@GokuTheHusky BMW competes in 24H of Lemans. I trust BMW M series reliability. I only hear of odd electrical gremlins with BMW’s. Nothing mechanically catastrophic.
Love how well the m3 guy took the roast. Everyone loves to hate on bmw's, dope that he knows how to shoot the shit but let the drive do the talking
I had zero problems with my E92 when I owned it....but I bought it new and sold it 4 years later for a F82.
thats how everyone should react to all the different hazing with cars and trucks. if someone is legitimately upset and super brand loyal to the point where they take the joking personally, then that guy is a tool bag.
@@Peanutdenver stop laying lol
What drive the 50k mile drive before it breaks down and is not a usable car anymore!
@@chief6369 my e92 335i has honestly been the most reliable car i've ever owned believe it or not. just gotta be smart and do all the preventative maintenance required BEFORE performance upgrades and its all set. you just have to do everything yourself. just the waterpump and thermostat alone would have been at least a 1500 dollar job, i did it for like 350 bucks everything included. my favorite thing has got to be the massive community behind bmw. so many forums and youtube channels dedicated to teaching you absolutely everything you need to know to learn and tackle projects in your own garage.
Fellow ISF owner here and I also track my ISF. As others have noted, it should have been a 2010+ ISF with a Torsen diff instead of open. You can see how loose the F is vs the more planted M. Props to both drivers...fun competition. I've got an 08 with the open diff and it is tough to put power down on corner exit. So I'm putting in an OS Giken diff during the off season. Been following Willem's build too - awesome dude!
Giken superlock is the way to roll... I have a 10+ so no giken for me... Hahaha
I honestly think the F wouldve taken it if it were equipped with an lsd. Both drivers did well, but it wasnt necessarily a “fair” comparison.
@@asiahispanico why doesn’t the IS-F come standard with LSD?
These are all excuses. Look at the power to weight ratio of each car. IS-F is a luxury car with a sports exhaust. The M3 is a sports car with decades of lineage.
@@moustachio334 because the 08 ISF was lexus’s first stab at a sports car. That was a huge factor in its initial “meh” impressions. I really wish they had released it how they did in 2010. Would’ve put up a better fight all around
Hi from Australia guys.
Really enjoyed that. I currently own both cars. The ISF is my daily, it has headers etc, really transforms the car. Absolutely love it, it’s a beast. The M3 has track pipes ( primary car delete) Remus exhaust tune etc, dct trans. The M3 is actually like a race car , the way it bangs gears and the way the car handles, it’s a screamer and feels amazing. Love them both but I think the M3 has the edge over all . I think the ISF on the street would put the power down better in a drag race from light to light and probably come away the win, M3 is the better drivers car and faster on the track in general.
Hello to the land down under! Greetings from the U.S. my friend and enjoy those wonderful cars!
overall Lexus us headed in the right direction. this was a 2009 vs 2011 though
Agree with this statement. I owned a 2010 isf and my partner has a 13 comp m3 and feel the same way. Also if you set up the m3 with coils and bushings etc...it is an animal on the twisties.
@@PrivilegeYT Nope, Lexus heading toward the Grand Touring direction . No direct competition with the M2, M3 or M4. They even use the RCF for their track school. I have driven the RCF at Xcross for a few lap. It is a pig.
I’ve only recently become a fan of Lexus, first with an IS350 and now the ISF.
I don’t think too many people would be surprised that the M3 is better, but the ISF comes so close and yet is considerably cheaper to own and maintain. For me that is a huge factor in the overall enjoyment…no longer do I drive with anxiety 😆
08-09 IS-Fs were lackluster on the track with its open diff and understeer prone stock suspension setup. While the 10+MY included a Torsen LSD, the 11+MY had the biggest improvement in lap times with its retuned suspension and steering calibration which has been validated on the Car and Driver's Lighting lap times at VIR (9 second improvement) and at other tracks.
With an LSD the understeer goes away completely. In this case I'm completely baffled as to why a track enthusiast left out the LSD. My street car is an 08 with a torsen and the difference it makes is massive.
@@d1sturb3d119 Yup, my IS350 has an OS Giken TCD LSD and the difference it makes around the corners is massive
E90 M3 still would beat 2011 ISF. It's a better car overall with better chassis and lighter weight. BMW is well ahead of Lexus in handling
@@thomasone1108 heard that from plenty of folks about x,y,z brands. Bottom line is if the drive can't push their car, there is no way they're getting close to advertised performance. The M3 is great in capable hands. In the hands of most average drivers, I have yet to come across an M3 that's actually been able to get past me. Razor sharp handling is great when a driver has razor sharp skills. I haven't come across a razor sharp driver in a while. Last m3 I ran spun on an on ramp getting onto the freeway.
@Arthur WallDo you think every manufacturer has an LSD as part of the package? Look at the C63, E, S, you have to run the vin to make sure they actually are equipped with one. Most brands use brake actuated systems to achieve the same. Pretty much standard in the industry. Merc, Audi, BMW all do the same. Its cost cutting. Then they throw it on as an option. At least they made it standard in the years following.
Give me ISF all day 🔥🏎️
2009 ISF vs. 2011 M3. Re-match with a 2011 ISF to be fair. ISF got a diff added in 2010+ MY with newer suspension updates. Added diff is a game changer. 2010+ is like 6 seconds faster than 08-09 models at the VIR lightening lap.
Same generation and tech in e90 from way before 2011 so not rlly valid excuse
@@chicken-0072 IS-F not having a LSD is a pretty big deal. Lexus made the mistake in the first place and rectified it later on.
He is correct, if it has the factory LSD it would have been much faster.
@@chicken-0072 wrong. The lack of a factory diff equates to several lost seconds on track. A rematch would bring a tighter race.
@@FSX239 A LSD is very important for all sports cars (RWD, AWD, FWD) but I don't think a LSD in the Lexus brings 2.8s on this track test. Both cars are amazing, the BMW is always faster on track in all the tests, even in Best Motoring.
It's the same way whith RCF and M3/M4, the gap on track is even bigger. Lexus is heavier.
Jared Scott yeah my point is e90 had dif from very start and didnt had improvements so it doesnt matter 2009 M3 vs 2009 Lexus would still be same result, and yes not putting LSD is just kinda shame of Lexus not problem of the competition, and this hoax info about 6sec improvment is not valid for me main thing why is m3 faster is weight distribution and weight all lone, suspension and just bmw having ability to build fast cars on track.. 1 LSD will not change that
I would of liked to see them drive each other's car and compare the times . I would love to own any of these cars . Love them both !
The isf is amazing i love mine
Exactly this. It would make for a better comparison. I imagine the M3 is still faster but the sound from that ISF is just pure sex.
@@xwarped83 that 5.0 sound just sends shivers down your spine doesn't it ! I love them !
@@Droppdeadxx I bet you do! I wanted one but they're hard to find, so I am rocking with the is350 until I find one lol
@@PResmejor I have a 2010 is350 that I drift with and a 1994 sc400 that I drive to car shows , I love lexus super reliable
As always, you guys are consistently underrated. Good stuff.
Much appreciated!
The E9X chassis is amazing
Just being a car enthusiast i knew for a fact the E90 M3 would win because i used to watch videos as a kid back in 08 comparing the two the M3 always came on top
M3 is slower in a straight line, if you compare it to the 4 door, and the 2012+ models had a 6 second gain over the 08 on certain tracks mostly attributed to the LSD the car's came equipped with. 08's are a lot better when they're driving both wheels instead of one.
lol corny
"Just being a car enthusiast i knew for a fact the E90 M3 would win" - One of the dumbest comments I've heard in a while.
@@EJ257IHI Hey, he was a kid "back" in 2008... 😂😂
@@ActionHeinz Alright, I will give him a pass on that. LOL
I’ll take the one that will still be running on original engine and transmission 500k miles later
It's a tough call, on one hand, the BMW has that race care engine and faster but rod bearing maintenance and replacing throttle actuators is $$$. ISFs also have more of a cool factor since they're rarer
Powaup exactly. If you feel like spending a shit ton of money keeping the m3 going then go ahead. But tbh you could just buy a more expensive car and spend the same amount in the end as a e92 m3 lol
@@isfrozen3103 - you ever driven an m3? I have driven back to back m3 vs. lexus IS-F and there's no comparison, not even close. But if you like the lexus squooshy ride, then more power to you.
so you want a reliable race car for a daily what world you living in?
@@147NITRO world without headaches
Loving the content !!! I had to subscribe!! Keep up the great work with your team!!
Love seeing another E90 at the track! Looks so good with those Volks and 275’s all around 🙌
The ISF guy seems like a cool dude but common man... You gotta be up in the rpms coming out of those corners! I also wish this was a 2010+ ISF... The Handling on the later year ISFs was improved a lot over the 08-09 models. Props the the M3 driver though. His run looked almost flawless.
Zelo plus the 10+ models had LSD’s.
Most Lexus owners aren't really into performance driving.
@@jaekimchi The "F" crowd is however...just like how generally Mercedes owners aren't into performance driving but the AMG crowd sure is
The later year model wouldn't have altered the handling much other than the LSD. Given the car in the video was on KW V3's.
@@MD-uu5nt And your old ALFA wasn't an IS-F. I've had both models of IS-F, the LSD wasn't that big a difference once stock suspension was changed...
That m3 is so clean
Glad this guy won, honestly feel like I saw some justice when he won, after the other guy was so cocky all the time.
If that's what you call cocky you need to get out the house more sissy
this is such a specific recommendation. ive been considering the e90 and isf the last couple weeks. sick video though my dudes
I wanted this to be closer but deep down I knew the Lexus would loose this one, the ISF is still such a cool proposition
The ISF only lost because it’s not the updated 2014 model. Motor trend tested the 2014 ISF against the V8 competition M3 and they both set down the same lap time. The ISF can win it just has to be the later years they are updated NOT the 2008 0r 2009 models
That's why you need to skip out on getting a base C6, my friend... I am just kidding, love your build, and sorry to hear about your z06.. probably picking up a c5z here soon myself.
@@Toyota4Life appreciate you shedding some light
@@thutch866 😂😂😂 youtube is a small place you know the base ls3 c6 is a crazy value , congrats on the c5z purchase!
@@Beezy_Builds Right? You don't think you'll miss having a "z"? the name behind it and whatnot?
Needed to test a 2010+ IS-F for the LSD.
snipergene - Wouldn’t have made any difference the chassis M3 is better look at the old 5th Gear toast when they raced the e90 M3 against the C63 AMG Merc and the BM killed it. BMW know ow to match all the key elements that make them work in M cars.
If you think an LSD makes no difference in a track test, you've got very little driving experience.
Devon Turner - That’s not what I said. Chassis is the big difference.
@@johnpaull135 LSD makes a HUGE difference. Especially around a track. There was a track where they tested an e90/92 M3 and an ISF with LSD. Both had the exact same time but with one difference. The M3 was on Michelin Cup tires while the ISF was on street tires.
xuntopx - Diffs do make a difference but it is also very track dependent. That track is open and flat with quite flowing corners, little or no elevation change so no real advantage to be lost not having an LSD. The IS is like the C63 AMG, relies on cubic inches. There will always be people who say how there car beat some competitor in a similar or competitive car. In my experience the moment you go to the track and run your car once is the last time it remains stock.
Great work on this video!
That was fun to watch.
Both cars are awesome.
I ended up with a GSF but initially wanted the ISF. I’ve seen an ISF with 325,000 miles on the odo. That sold me on Lexus V8s.
GSF is a much much better car.
GS F is pretty heavy, and I thought my rc f was heavy 😂
Nice battle. Thanks, guys🤘. I do believe the e90 6mt will be my next m car😆
Both auto trans FTW!! The ISF is a great car. Don't sleep on it.
Even before the track battle, This video had me Laughing!!!!! Great video...
I drove the ISF in the video here. Few things.
- Yes, this ISF did NOT have LSD. That's for sure why it was so loose- for sure would have gone faster with one- but faster than the M? prob not.
- Yes, I also drove the BMW and did a low 2:03 it was the faster car in the heat for sure.
- I actually ran 2:05 first session but timing loop was off, F still woulda lost but it would have been closer.
- I've also driven my stock ISF here and did a 2:02, so chuckwalla track conditions make times vary wildly.
Video of the session here for the bench racers, dying to get more driving tips if you guys can get the time off from your f1 careers.
czcams.com/video/G-r54aqvHcs/video.html
iLLWiLLeM 2010-2014 ISF has a standard Torsen LSD.
@@h4ru_d3su k, your point?
Both are super dope cars.
I'd take the IS F as my daily, lightly mod the M3 for track days.
This is a really cool concept. I love seeing these cars duke it out. I could never afford them new but now they are getting more affordable in the used market. Only problem is they don’t make new videos on them anymore. This is great!
I love the positivity displayed throughout the episode, most importantly at the end by the winner. Nice head to head race. Honestly the Lexus with a better suspension setup would prove to shave off some time off the lap rime recorded in this race. Keeping the car flat in the corners with a V8 isn't easy for sure. Lovely carbon fiber hood on the IS-F. That BMW is truly a beast. For me it was watching how flat it was in the bends. Keep it up guys!
I saw the name Will and the tattoos and was looking forward to seeing the illWillem $125 ISF! That was disappointing but I can see why though, it wouldn't be a fair fight.
Excellent job driving by the M3 owner, smooth and fast. The M3 looks very neutral and amazing on the track. The ISF pushing, then being loose was killing the corner exits and you could see it gradually falling behind.
They always run these races with the first year model ISF never with the updated suspension and LSD model THAT came out later
This is 🔥🔥🔥
Great battle
Damn i love e9x m3s. My next car is gonna be that!
That M3 is gorgeous
great video and comparison
great video
2011+ IS'F would have been equal. The LSD diff and a improved camber sway angle improved the Lexus tremendously. They are both great cars to be sure. The amount of affordable mods that are available for both also make the cars very sought after for enthusiasts of all ages. A smart buyer that finds that rare diamond in the world will have a fun car for sure. BMW owners understand and accept it's limitations. Lexus owners will do the same based on slightly different reason's.
Isf is a reliable car , but I don't think people understand how reliable that BMW is for what it is if you address couple of things right when you buy it
Looks like a fun track and great matchup! Gotta love the bmw V8 and driver looked smooth as!
anyone know if LCA bushings / rear sway bars were upgraded on the ISF?
CHASSIS, no numbers or stats can say how good BMW M chassis are but that was the edge here imo
ISF driver ran a questionable line. Looks like he missed a few apexes too, didn’t use the whole track etc.
Lots of understeer as well
Open diff...
He's probably a more competent driver than most people watching this video. The car also has an open diff.
@@kipp4805 What exactly does that have to do with anything? Also a peg leg has shit all to do with your line.
@@TheTmshuman aite check out his Instagram @illwillem and tell him how to drive on a track
Great video. Will what is Your currently set up ISF running at that track???
1:56.1
Was a great video, fun to watch for sure and entertaining. The competitive side of me though wanted a more even race with a similar year ISF, as so many updates improved the car and I feel it would’ve been even closer . Still honestly great race and both are beautiful cars. I own a F , have always been interested in the m3 also .
Both great cars! I myself have got an '08 ISF as a daily and its excellent for what it is. Don't have an LSD on it but for everyday driving, but its a hell of a lot of fun as-is. I'd rather take my '02 is300 5mt to the track, it's got the factory Torsen and overall is a much more responsive car. Or the M3 of course, no denying it'll be better for setting lap times. As far as a daily thought, the ISF makes for a much more reliable and economical choice for a fun daily!
I hate when they keep using the 08 ISF
Issa F cant hurt any feelings man 😂
Why the e92 is a mid-late 2000’s car also
Griffin_Kith because the 08-09 F’s came with open diffs. The 10+ models came equipped with Torsen LSD’s and finer tuned suspension. The lsd made the new model years about 6 seconds faster around the track. Wouldve been a better comparison to pit an updated ISF vs this M3
@@asiahispanico So you need to use a newer model year ISF to heat an older car?😂
Sounds pathetic
White Fox no its the same generation just a few updates, same hp-tq.
You sound like a pinecone
What's the name of the track at the start?
Thank you for posting the wheel and tire specs! Im one of those nerds who always checks out a cars wheels and tries to guess what setup haha. Both cars looks so good on their respective wheels.
Also ISF guy’s vanos joke was a little dated, vanos was a major issue on the previous gen E46 M3, the E9x’s S65 is actually one of the most reliable M engines. Only weakpoint was the mentioned rod bearings (do them once and forget about it for peace of mind, or regular oil analysis) and throttle actuators (which the later isn’t even that serious, wont cause engine failure just a low power limp mode).
They need to match up with the ‘10+ ISF which has an LSD.
that car has an open diff? oof
@@simonbarbarasch7169 yeah, '08 and 09' had open diff. First two years of production. It was really the very first "performance" car Lexus every built.
Simon Barbarasch yeap, the lsd-equipped ISF’s have proven to be significantly quicker around a track than non-lsd ISF’s.
For sure. I have a friend with an ISF at like 235k miles and still running strong. That’s just Lexus style. They tune more conservatively and develop their engines for a long time. Not as much horsepower and tech as the German rivals but absolutely bullet proof.
Yep!!! We need the LSD
Bow to the king. BMW M
What's the wheels off set for both cars?
I’m new to this channel, so I’m not sure if you guys already made one.
Gt3 vs Gt4
In the Market for an IS F. This is the exact match up I needed to see
Just make sure you go for the 2010 and up models
Or swap in a limited slip diff. Personally I like the stiff suspension.
d1sturb3d yup that’s also another option. The 08-09 suspension was stiff, but actually tolerable for daily driving
Should have done this with the 2010+ isf with the new LSD
2011+ isf should've been here with its lsd, revised suspension, steering and ecu from factory... still awesome to see
Props to both of you for going on the show. To the BMW guy, working a clutch pedal and stick shift IS driving (and no, I'm not a dual clutch hater). And to the Lexus guy, drive an FK8 Type R on track; it's a Honda that doesn't lack power.
Manual still slower 🤷🏻
Great video! I'm surprised nobody mentioned anything about the difference in model years though. If that had been a 2011 ISF against the 2011 M3, the ISF would probably have gone at least 3 second faster due to the Torsen LSD added to the ISF in 2010 and the major suspension changes for 2011. Those two changes made a 7 second (!!!) difference in the 2008 vs 2011 ISF's lap time around VIR. That's why you could see the 2009 ISF in the video had trouble putting power down out of the corners with its open rear diff and less than optimal 2008-2010 ISF suspension. Regardless, this was a fun video to watch and I thoroughly enjoyed it...love both of those cars.
Gee Jay - Ah yes but the BMW driver was 20lbs heavier than Lexus driver so would still be the same result. 🤟🤟🤟🤟🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
So what you're saying is the ISF should have been a better model from 2011 even though the M3 was the same car from 07 through 2013?
Maybe they should have put an F82 M3 in instead because that's a faster car.
@@matthewnicholas6365 Yes, BMW has a whole lot more experience than Lexus at building that type of car and the E90 was good right from the start. The ISF was their first attempt and had a few flaws, beyond being portly, that hurt track times for the first few model years.
@@geejay5653 What I'm saying is it's not unfair to put the 2 most basic versions of each car against eachother. If you up the ante with the ISF, why not up the ante with the M3 too and stick the GTS model in the race? Swings and round abouts really.
@@matthewnicholas6365 The ISF has always just had the base model... never a higher performance variant like BMW did with the M3. Why would an ISF vs M3 GTS head to head make more sense? All I was pointing out from the beginning is that Lexus made a few changes in 2010 and 2011 that fixed some flaws that made it less competitive. Put a 2008 ISF against a 2008 M3 on the track and the M3 is quicker...put a 2011 ISF against a 2011 M3 on the track and it's a toss up.
I'm a lexus man, but the bimmer definitely revs higher.
@Administrator that's why I chose the is300 🤣
@Administrator Damn an SRT killer👍love it.
2 of my dream projects
So dual clutch automatic to focus on driving? I though driving manual was driving
Same here. My E90 M3 has the DCT auto. If there’s a trans that’ll convert a manual shift guy, it’s that one. It really is a great trans and that’s coming from a stick guy.
BMW powa baby!!!! Great job Scott and Will!
Anita Ayon BMW still had over 100k, and pretty much stock suspension.
Love the 4 door m3 😍
Love those
I’m curious to know if I can beat the 2.06 in my Stock F.
I like the Isf more shit it’s reliable and the engine notes are addicting. Plus the interior is comfy af
3 seconds a lap faster. Jesus, that's an eternity.
The 2011+ IS-F is 7 seconds faster than the older models at VIR. The mechanical diff in the later IS-F improved it's lap times.
'Track enthusiast" buys car and leaves it with an open diff. Unfortunately that's whats gonna happen
Thought the same thing... Even with an LSD I don't think that makes up the 3 second gap on this track but hey at least he's having fun
I would like to see the same power and them switch drivers to see overall results between the cars and drivers
What "cooling mods" does the lexus need?
Still rather have the ISF and plan on getting one next year . I prefer the look and engine sound and it’s still a pretty quick car. Plus them BMW maintenance cost... whew😅
FaCts I hope to get one also I just sold my 07 is350 good car but I want a ISF or a GSF
Wow I love that red m3
So this is the second video where a Lexus ISF gets squirrelly when they were already done cornering. It's this common for the ISF? Is it too much torque (never the answer) for the vehicle? Or is that just rwd,high specs and not knowing the track?
This IS-F looks so sick and sharp
BMWs are the ultimate driving machines.. even their base models are amazing.
nobody gives a shit about 328i's with their shitty stock seats.
@@mfgunit Tru. Only the top trims are goated.
@@mfgunit in Europe the most popular bmw’s are 116i/118i and 318i’s
base I3 no thanks 😂
@@jogabneymar4994 oh wow, I don't think we even have those in US. We definitely don't have diesel sedans here. The 335i 535i are coveted here. And of course the M's.
Why not pit a 2011 vs 2011? The 2009 ISF’s dont come with LSD (which has proven to make a huge difference around the track). Besides a drivers race, this 2009 ISF never stood a chance with an open diff
Truth
BreakerOhio so tired of these damn lopsided comparisons 😂
2010+ isf’s are pretty rare it would be harder to find, tbh any isf is rare but especially the 2010+
USB_IS500 maybe because they couldn’t just pull a 2011 IS-F out of their ass, and used two cars with two owners willing to put them to the test on track
@@asiahispanico yet the m3 has stock suspension while the isf had kw v3 coils and still Lost by 3 seconds, quit making excuses
Nice vid and match up. Both cars are nice, though I do own an 2012 E92 M3. It would have been interesting to see both drivers do three laps in each car and compare results.
Which car has the raspy sound? I’m guessing e90?
E90 M3 all day!!
Its only half a day, the other half belongs to mechanics
M3
The guy with the IS HAS RACE SHOES ON! You can tell just by that he knows what he's doing.
Funny vidéo 3 cool guy tanks love and respect from Québec Canada
Nothing more rare than a v8 in a sports compact sedan. Definitely a dying breed. Or dead.
The e90 is far from compact. It’s the same size as the e39 m5!
sjpro1 its still a sub compact sports sedan. Whats your point?
30minforasn subcompact is the size of a fiat 500. The e90 is a mid size sedan. My point is bmws are getting too large. The e90 dwarfs the e36
sjpro1 no dur!! Cars get larger as newer model year come out. Thats just how automakers do it now.
30minforasn again, not a compact sedan, and it’s way too heavy
Defeated by his own arrogance
He owns a ISF that does 1’40s at button willow, the LSD versions of the ISF is as fast as a M3. They even stated during the shoot but that got cut out.
They're buddies and friends before this video, guess you never banter with your friends
Song please
Considering how much heavier the IS-F is and how bulletproof they are, its damn close! Exceptional car.
Saw will’s CRX on this track when it was white, flying isn’t enough to describe it.
Should have used a 2010+ isf they handle better with the limited slip differential.
I hope they bring the IS-F back. Guess won't be coming anytime soon with redesign of IS on the way even. Especially since they canceled development on the LC-F. If anything I prefer to see the IS-F being developed again.
Woul be cool to see a rematch with the diff. Oh, and with KW V3 on the M3 too ;)
I like lexus and all but it doesnt have a chance, now a reliability run coast to coast the lexus will win easy
It’s an 09.. 08/09 always loose, and are always, for some reason, the ones to go up against m’s on review. They don’t even have a diff. 10+ is the opposite. Sub 2.
@Figgy• •• haha...it will man....stop believing the internet
M3 is a better car and just as reliable at the Lexus
Intelligent Car Reviews lol really? My dads old 528i was a PIECE OF SHIT
Dude. Motor trend tested the last year ISF 2014 model and it’s set down the same exact last time as the M3 competition so please this lexus lost because it was the first model year before any updates.
the torque is backwards on the IS F in the description it's "317" when it should be *371 lb ft.
but did it actually matter :)
@@DVDGMSLS you answered your own question bruH.
@@MultiMindRape it was a rhetoric question, bruh.
E9x chassis (and I mean chassis not suspension) is one of a kind. It is one of the best balanced, earth planted chassis ever made, even on a stock suspension. So with a decent coil-over setup it can be impossible to compete it even with a faster car from the same segment.
They dont live Long i northern Europe, they simply rust to fast under, especially in the back area, where the driveline and suspension are mounted... So chassi may be balanced, but when the backwheels end up in the bumper, then it's going to the scrap yard, in 2022 was a 2009, a 2011 and one 2013 are demolished caused corrosion under in the back area. And that was Just in my local area, i Norway, Scandinavia. I choose Bmw, and they are totaly balanced, usually 50%/50%....✅👍😃
If u want to be quick as the m3 or faster in an Isf u gotta get the newer ones with the updated limited slip differential.
So you guys already knew the E90 has a much better balanced chassis !?!?
Exactly..... SEE HOW IT WAS CORNERING THE BENDS
Lexus still got my heart 😭
I love those lexus!!! This is a great race
ISF man! Those M3s are super nice though