Toyota Supra VS Lexus RC F l Driver Battles
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- If you love modern, front engined, rear wheel drive 2 doors, then this episode of Driving Line’s Driver Battles is for you. In it, David Yansens and his Lexus RC F go up against Mike Reyes and his A90 Toyota Supra at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway. Both cars are equipped with 275/35R18 Nitto NT01's so the playing field is as level as it could be.
00:00 Introduction
00:58 David Yansens' Lexus RC F
02:21 Mike Reyes' Toyota Supra
02:51 How They Stack Up
04:17 The Lap
06:36 What Broke?
08:10 The Results
09:33 Outro
Let’s dive into the details of the cars to get a better sense of who might have the edge in this tight battle. The first car up is David's Lexus RC F, a first for us here at Driver Battles. Its 2URGSE 5.L V8 engine is paired with a Lems Titanium intake manifold, RR Racing air oil separator, Antigravity battery, Res titanium exhaust, AFE dry intake filter, and puts out 470 horsepower and 390 pound-feet of torque. Other mods included are a Seibon vented CF hood Advan Racing RS-DF 18x10 +24, Ohlins coilovers, Figs control arms and rear camber arms, Varis CF front lip, side splitters and diffuser. Mike's Toyota Supra has a B58 3.0L I6 Turbo with 450 horsepower and 510 pound-feet of torque. It has an AMS catted downpipe, Armaspeed CF intake, Visconti Tuning flex fuel kit, HKS dual-muffler exhaust and EcuTek engine management. It also features a StudioRSR V1 roll cage, Titan7 T-S5 18x10.7 +38, HDRacing Spec coilovers, SPL Front LCA, SPL tie rod ends, Sayer Designs front lip, CF canards and louvers.
With the consistency of the NT01 tires, both drivers had the opportunity to push their times lower as the day went on. The only question was, who could take advantage, and who would be left wishing they had pushed that little bit more?
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The RCF is really aging well. Also, surprised the RCF did so well despite its huge weight difference. 😮
Is the RCF basically a new 2023 GR 86 V8 swapped?
@@ADADIZZLE I don’t think so lol
@@ADADIZZLE lmao wtf are you on?
@@ADADIZZLE definitely not 💀
someone called it a modern Supra with a Lexus badge, a Lexus V8, and luxury features, and i think i agree with that more.
Goes to show it’s capability despite its handicaps. Everyone gets too caught up in numbers. Don’t be fooled by the brochure. It’s how you set up a car that defines how the car is going to perform. And the more you familiarize yourself with the platform. Master those two and the results of that combination are going to be superb.
I love how smooth David is on the wheel, keeps it nice and steady the entire turn.
That might have more to do with weight in the car and steering feel. A lot of luxury cars give you less feedback. Great for commutes.
@@_SKDK_ David was driving the RCF. The RCF was more smooth through the turns
@@2ZZGE100 correct, the RCF is a luxury car. It would have a lot less force feedback in the wheel than something like a supra or more sport oriented import.
Aston Martin's are like that as well. The steering weight makes it not jiggle in your hands as much.
If you watch track built cars, even at pro levels far above both of these drivers, their wheels shake a TON in comparison. But those vehicles are purpose built so they don't care about the creature comforts.
(not saying they both aren't good drivers)
@@_SKDK_ It also speaks to RCF being more glued down to the pavement in the turns requiring less corrections and that additional mass is near the bottom below the CoG. I own an RCF myself (a carbon fiber/TVD performance edition). I track it once in a while, but nothing like David who does regular track time attacks. The luxury, rear seats and the high-revving V8The steering is tuned a lot heavier and direct in SPORT+ mode. A lot different than my other car, which is an IS350 F-Sport. The steering loads very nicely in the fast turns and gives plenty of feedback for an electrically assisted. It can get twitchy at times when trying to carry a lot of speed where I balance it on throttle with very small steering inputs, but I am on completely stock suspension and PS4S street tires.
@@_SKDK_ idk if u ever been in a rcf, the control arms are beefed to shit, car is sturdy as fuck and deff gives as much feedback as a new supra, honestly unless ur comparing older cars rcf steering is about as good as it gets under 100k, dont listen to reviews I work for most of these companies
That Lexus sounds glorious
Those down shifts sound so good
Japanese muscle is the way
I watched them run at the Rolex 24 this year absolutely a pleasure to see and hear, he did get podium too!
@@wglgee1347 yup I was there too and was surprised that the Lexus sounded better than the nsx and the corvette
@@wglgee1347 k⁵⁶6y6⁶
Thank you for having us on! I had a ton of fun and this is surely an experience I'll never forget!
Boss boss boss boss boss boss boss boss
Boss boss 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Great track battle and congrats boss boss for the win!
David jinxed himself with that "reliable" claim. 😂 Great track battle nonetheless!
Dude said he just did 30 laps prior. Lol
Dudes been driving that thing heavily for the past 3 years lol
Thanks for your comment and I expected it to come since the day of the event. I highly maintain my car and never miss any maintenance such as engine/trans/brake/diff fluid/filter/coolant/battery/belts/spark plugs etc. changes, I even provide these services for Toyota/Lexus cars so it’s definitely no stranger to me. The ac compressor clutch going out is something that I cannot foresee since there’s no tell when it’s on its way out, never even cross anyone’s mind and has never seen it failed on any F cars before. I hope you enjoyed the battle regardless.
@@voughn5 thanks, although it might sound serious, I was actually overestimating just for laughs and giggles to make the situation less gloomy. I did however put a good amount of laps, which did feel like 30 laps lol.
@@dyansens bummer it broke down at the wrong time. I think it would've been close between you and the Supra!
Fantastic race despite all the differences. Love my RCF and aiming to keep it forever! 100k miles and still chirps the tires. Trying to nudge my wife to get a Supra so I can have both 😂
Thank you for the great event!
David representing the OC 💪🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is so much better than all the drag races everyone else does
Let’s go DAVID 🔥🔥🔥 nicest guy ever - def inspirational to the rest of us RCF drivers wanting to track. Let’s go David 💪. Rcf for life.
David looked like he's cruisin' on turns. Superb!
Thank you, I strive everyday to be a smoother driver and do the perfect execution on every section/circumstances by generating just the right amount of input as smooth as possible.
@@dyansens Very smooth out there gj
@@MajorAddiction thank you 🙏
As an RCF owner I’ve weighed the Seibon Carbon fiber hood with the stock hood and they weigh exactly the same lol . Looks great but does nothing for weight reduction. The titanium exhaust and aftermarket wheels rotational mass will be more of a help than anything as far as weight . I love both vehicles but as a RCF owner the Lexus has my ❤.
What about the track edition hood?
I'm impressed he was able to shoehorn 18" wheels on that thing. Nothing crazy by definition, but for those searching for a winter tire setup, definitely a way to go.
@@RubberChickenMan007 track edition only sheds 200 lbs. What the RCF driver put on his car is equivalent to the overpriced "Track Edition".
@@michaelvang1902 I remember reading that. These cars would need to be gutted. Having a titanium exhaust would also shed some weight but it's tough to drop more than 400-500lbs.
@@RubberChickenMan007 I believe the owner of the RCF in the video has his rear gutted out, so it might be even lighter than the "Track Edition". The car in general is just heavy, but barely lost to the much lighter Supra. Not bad tbh. Id take the RCF over the BMW any day.
Great video! Was lots of fun watching. I own an RCF as well and the back seats for my two kids, luxury and high-revving V8 make it a winner. Agree with David about how it is extremely reliable. I am subscriber to DYansen's channel and love his battles against GT350R and other cars at the race track. He is an amazing driver. Could not be happier for him.
I was debating trading my car in for an RCF but wasn’t sure how the car seat would fit. This makes me happy!
@@shelbyarmstrong2681 Yep. Two front facing seats fit easily no problem. I have two in the back. Certain rear facing seats made by Recaro fit as well.
@@shelbyarmstrong2681 GSF or is500 is always an option if you need more practicality
The Lexus RCF is massively underrated
Not really. It’s just not as good as the competition for its price.
I think Lexus marketed the RCF wrong, it suits to be a GT car more than a sports/track car. As a track car, it basically losses to everything it was up against at the time, the M4 was much more of a track monster comparatively. But as a GT car, it undercuts everything at its price point. (Kinda like the LC500)
Lol nah
RCF is pos overpriced
@@victorkenarsy3024 someone whose never owned, driven or rode in one spitting out the same garbage as the rest of the people. Numbers tell a story but also personal experience is even more valid
The sound of that RCF and the Supra turbo noises is just 😊
What I noticed the most was driver inputs. The Rcf seems a lot more stable , most likely the weight and 3 years of driving it fast has the driver fully adapted to cars attributes
No. RCF was developed at Fuji speedway, with lots of long curves. Also, the engineer making it, wanted a more gentle car.
Supra has already Akio Toyoda's signature on it, with more violent body motion and an ability to drift rather easily. It's a constant for cars that where developed under his overwatch.
Had an RCF with an aftermarket exhaust roll past me in a parking lot a couple weeks ago, thing sounded absolutely insane.
Hope people don’t pull another “LFA” and realize how great the RC-F is only after it’s discontinued which in turn hikes up resell value to insane prices.
I have an IS F with upgraded LSD that I have owned since 08. I also own a 21 Supra that has been modified. You can't touch the Supra for what it is, it's a weapon. I do love jumping in the IS F for daily driving and the sound of the v8 and you will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
So can you make the isf faster than the supra with only fbo?
@@DjXXS3RL no
It’s been too long since the last battle! Love these
The RCF did really well despite being heavier and likely making less power than the Supra. The RCF does pretty well in the corners. He really needed a tune to make the most of the intake/exhaust. I really like this comparison, I was on the fence 2 different times about buying a Supra or RCF. I'm on my second RCF :P they are a solid 7 across the board. If you want another RCF give me a shout (RR Racing intake, RR Racing tune, RR Racing steering response bushings, Invidia Q300 exhaust, RR Racing 2 piece rotors F&R, Ohlin's TXX coilovers with swift springs plus a few other minor looks items)
Please bring the battles back 😢. They are inspiring.
Loved it. The concept of two drivers with mods going head to head is great! Wouldn't mind if this type of events went PPV.
Seconded, for PPV
Third, let’s start paying for stuff that’s free. Also, I would just love a tip function for everyone involved.
Hell yea.. Its been waaaay too long since the last battle.
Thanks! @DrivingLine
I own a RCF and my brother owns a mkv supra so I've always wondered which would be a better car on track. Great video!
I've been waiting for this!!
RCF looked so smooth. The Supra driver was chopping at the steering wheel the whole race. I wonder how long he could keep that up?
Team F putting on! I’ll take that loss all day. Really enjoyed the video.
I own a GRSupra, but I love the RCF. The engine growl. ❤
Thank you, A90 Supra is a highly capable car and it’s one of (if not) the best choice for track cars nowadays for sure.
That RCF sounds great
Both cars look great and looked very fast. Great setups guys.
Thank you, I really appreciate it and I take pride in my work/garage built RC F.
Great cars. That RC-F looks fantastic! Not sure which sounds better though 🤔🤔
100 percent the rcf lol
RC F...
Is this even a question?
great battle!
You can see the Supra had the advantage coming out of the corners. The RCF made up in power and it sounds amazing.
Great race Fosho 🏁
Great video and race! Cannot go wrong with either. I've never tracked my RCF before but itching to sign up for beginner course here in the PNW.
You should. It's a hell of a lot of fun. Just make sure you have good tires and brake pads. Other than that it'll handle the punishment.
@@RubberChickenMan007 Thanks! My pads need changing here soon but tires have plenty of life :)
@@ywsaechao ebc yellow are good if you're tracking
Both great drivers!
Great video!
Vid was badass. I was in between both of these when upgrading from a speed3, but ended up going w the Supra. What I would would like to see is the hood cam in the corner throughout the video. From a track enthusiast perspective, it’s cool to see the driver pov during their lap to see their lines, breaking points, apex etc. nonetheless earned a new subscriber
Lexus V8 Sound is something else
they sound so beautiful
Clean driver David is. Massive respect g!
Man, good battle for sure, David if you can boost the rcf it will be a complete different beast. Stock set up and you’re doing the best all there is for the car out of the box.
That would only compromise the cars reliability. But I can see David benefiting great from a aftermarket manifold and a tune
Thank you, I am considering upping up the power and torque by going with aftermarket headers and tuning while staying as reliable as possible. I would love to boost it and have considered it from time to time, unfortunately the aftermarket forced induction support for these F cars are very limited and not reliable (yet) such as the current market super charger kit. The Supra on the other hand has TONS of aftermarket support while still maintaining friendly cost, unlike the F tax.
RC-F is my current obsession, hopefully I can afford 1 one day
Loved watching the POV and seeing each driver steer around corners. I can’t tell if the Supra’s steering just wasn’t direct or if the setup wasn’t as good which is why the driver was constantly having to make adjustments, or if the RCF’s steering and its mods just held up much better.
Regardless, it was close, if the RCF shaves off more pounds, it’d be even closer
I heard that the 2021 MY the suspension was tweaked to make it more refined than the 2020 MY
Great run by both drivers 🎉 get cars 🚗🔥 hope to see that RCF fixed and back on the track
Insanely smooth steering inputs.
Breaking a belt has to be the most "Toyota" breakdown ever. The look on his face made me think he blew his motor; then he's like..my belt serpentine belt broke.
Man this is so awesome! How have I not seen these? Pick me!!! I haven't seen an SS 1LE yet. Haha.
GReat race , track and competitors!
Wasn’t a surprise . On paper the Supra should have won alone by power to weight ratio .
The RCF sounds glorious though .
Neither one of those are bad cars at all .
Nice job to both of you
Thank you and I hope you enjoyed the battle despite of the unfortunate event with my car.
RCF for life, this man has set some crazy lap times on his instragram with the RCF shutting up everyone who says otherwise. I love to see it. Love to drive it and love love love the exposure the completely slept on RCF is gettinf
David cars looks so comfortable to drive on the track I need to take mine 🤙🏻 Lexus team
Loce Chuckwalla! Keep it up guys!
I like this show. Fun watch
David is a beast!
I appreciate it alot, I strive to be a better driver everyday. thank you 🙏
Both awesome cars, I thought of getting the GR Supra but needed 4 seats. Love the RCF and the sound is amazing.
Great try for the RCF, come back and get the win next time.
Love both of em to death, but there is something magical about those RCFs to me. NA, V8, luxury boat, still handles well though, it just seems like everything I want in a future daily driver that I can still absolutely rip often. And the thing is just sharp, absolutely handsome. It just brings everything fun about cars back to life to me
Thank you, it is in a better condition and more capable than ever right now and ready for another challenge at any given time and looking forward to more battles such as this.
there is always a GS F
@@ATLballer love mine
Now We would like to have Supercharged RCF Vs Supra.
Not a track pack RCF it seems. This RCF doesn't have the carbon roof or Torque Vectoring rear differential.
wouldn't even matter. Again, it all comes down to the weight difference
TVD is just an option for any RCF. Mine had one and I didn’t have the Track Edition. It also weighs like 80 extra lbs.
@@Reflex702 If it didn't matter, why would any manufacturer even bother with a TVD Diff?
@@sdlausen1 might help with a few tenths. David needs to get headers already lol
Nope that car is all hype. A well built RCF like David’s is superior to the track and Fuji edition cars. Biggest upgrades those cars get is the carbon ceramic brakes but not worth the 100k price tag
Love my RC 350 as a daily, can't wait for one day huh an RCF
Love these vids and love the series. I'm NC based but would love the opportunity to battle! '07 Corvette (base) stock powertrain, HPDE 2 driver.
Choppy Steering: As a GR Supra owner I am familiar with the choppy steering as you start to get on it around town. It actually starts when you’re on a straightaway, and as it starts to bend a little and you’re going fast it’s hard to keep it in your lane. If that makes any sense. It’s almost like the Supra’s
wheelbase is too short.
It's a beast of a car to keep straight, expecially with power. I'm definitely working on smoother inputs, but it's funny when people compare driving characteristics between a twitchy short wheel base Supra and a large, heavy Lexus that is made to ride smooth.
I’ll be out there soon 👀
The Supra looked like a handful to drive. The RCF looked buttery smooth
Too bad David had a car trouble, great job Mike! More friendly competition continues!
It’s amazing the difference in driving styles. The Lexus driver was a world smoother with steering inputs. It would be really interesting to see data logging as I would believe his throttle inputs are likely more metered as well b
These are the two cars I’m currently debating on!
I love both & idk which one to buy…
Damn. I compared the supra against the RCF pretty hard when I was gonna buy mine. Ultimately I settled on the Supra...but the RCF was my first and will always be my poster car.
You chose right. The RC F is a great car with a glorious v8 but besides RR Racing the aftermarket is just not there compared the b58 and the Supra. The newer RC Fs as I understand it are now not able to be even tuned due to Bosch encryption (like the later supras).
I'm just waiting for the 2020 RC-F to depreciate any moment now
@@MisterSkizzels
You can always swap ECUs
@@MisterSkizzelsAll model years of RC F can be tuned.
@@goldswimmerbj Interesting. That is not what I read on the forums. They had to swap an old ECU into a 2021 rc f to tune via rr racing
one of these guys needs to push the acura tlx type s to the absolute limit. strip down all the weight; show us how it stacks
this is given because of soo much weight! but man that lexus sounds soo good!
RCF is sounds bloody amazing
I'de be down to go up against someone with a similar set up car as mine. Just subbed to the channel too
Focussing on weight reduction, titanium intake elbow...😂
Amazing
He forgot to mention load of interior what was removed as well but I’m sure once the camera is in your face you’ll slip on certain things
Thank you, I actually mentioned more such as trunk interior pieces removed as well as the backseat but that seems to be edited out of the video perhaps for time/duration purposes.
My Lexus had the same mechanical at 120k. New clutch bearing and belt, good to go.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I’ve wondered since that day if anyone with F cars have experienced the same issue and I see now that it’s becoming a common problem.
Dope!!!
Well executed show. The supra seems to struggle to keep stability in the corners.. was very evident.
I’ve seen that Supra in Raul life. It looks absolutely awesome. I think it’s his daily also
The thrilling, unique roar of the NA V8, stylish looks, comfort, and luxury features of the RC F make it a standout choice for those looking for an unforgettable driving experience. The 5th generation Supra may be a winner in terms of performance, with a power-to-weight ratio and handling that are sure to make an impression. Both great cars, but I would rather have and drive the RC F all day.
Sorta ominous about how the Lexus is the "reliable" car but broke down. Not making fun, it sucks to see that. But great overall content, love this series!
I drive a 2020 Supra, and it's funny I ran across this vid because a RCF likes to park next to me at work ✌️
Can we do a 3 way? My base civic vs my coworker ae86 and another coworkers miata 😂
I love the sound of a Lexus NA v8, always wanted an ISF just wanted one with a manual….
No need the auto is a total menace
@@Sessions1 Total bore is more like it.
@@coldvaper sure what ever you say cold vapor
David won in my book just by driving style 😎
Need a rematch
This is how I drive when I’m late for work.
Interesting watching them, both different styles. The Supra is 500lbs lighter and over 100ft/lbs more torque. kind of a no brainer right? The RCF driver was much better, but in a slower car.
Kinda crazy that a 8-9 year old platform is keeping up with something much much newer.
Say it louder for the ones in the back
Thank you, 2014 vs 2020 tech.
Drove both back to back. The lexus feels really dated compared to the Supra but it does sound so much better with the V8.
what is the brand of the orange specs ?? been looking for one lol
I wanna see that v8 engine on a gr86.
I would take RCF any day over that Supra. Both are fun and fast but Lexus is a masterpiece with that engine.
I'm down to go on the show with my 2019 camaro ss 1le. I live in socal
Love how smooth the RCF is! But glad the supra won, then again im biased since I have a supra!
Thank you. A90 Supra is an amazingly capable car out of the box for sure, I hope you’re enjoying yours as much as my good friends do such as Mike in this video.
I'm curious whether that was an OEM belt. I'm working very hard to hopefully soon start my dream garage with twin RC-F and RC-350, followed by a whole bunch more Toyotas.
Yes it was OEM until the ac compressor clutch went out, making the pulley wobbled, and sheared off the belt. My good friend Brian went on a rescue mission going distances all the way to Blythe’s autozone (nearest from Chuckwalla Valley Raceway) hoping that the belt would stay in place but ended up getting sheared again obviously.
@@dyansens So the aftermarket belt couldn't take a fraction of the abuse the Lexus belt has taken for how many miles? I have a minor obsession with Lexus sturdiness and a weird dream of leaving instructions in my will on how to sell my Toyota collection as unmodified, dealer-maintained, and lovingly owned. My whole life revolves around getting a new RC-F before they are discontinued, and restoring my old Solara Sport to also keep forever and park next to it. I've heard that my 07 Solara was designed as a Lexus and given to Toyota at the last minute before production. It looks like that generation ES and nothing like the Camry, and certainly feels like a Lexus to me. Thanks for responding.
@@andydufresne8034 I meant it doesn’t matter oem or aftermarket, they will be sheared off no matter what since the ac compressor pulley is wobbling hard especially on idle speed (low rpm). I ended up replacing the pulley, belt, and new ac compressor unit which costed quite alot.
@@dyansens So the threshold between land yacht and race car is the air conditioning. I expect that's what the GT3 is for. I'm happy you guys are out there pushing these cars to their limits cause I envision driving my RC-F like an old man in a grand tourer. The GR Corolla will be my race car. Cheers.
That's such a fun track. Shame about the Lexus.
I’d drive that course 142 all day long. Neither guy pushed their cars to the limit
If the RC-F had a stick shift I’d prefer it. Funny tho….the 3 outta the 4 performance cars Toyota makes (Supra/RCF/GR86) have outsourced powerplants 😂😂😂😂 the “4th” performance car would be the new AWD Corolla w/ the turbo 3banger (I THINK Toyota makes that engine lol)
Guy sounds sooo surprised they’re both running NT01s as if it was their choice lol. More like “this show is sponsored by Nitto, and if you wanna be on here, you’ll both be running NT-01s.”
He was surprised of the tire size. Not the tire brand.
@@Sessions1 yes, this is what Mike S (the presenter) meant to say, thanks for pointing that out.
Guy on the supra can be "faster", but David's driving technique will make him save a lot more of his tires and fuel, SO SMOOTH!!!
Unusual choice the RCF for a track car
Look up the IMSA RCF GT3
For the typical car person it’s unusual. Anyone with true experience understand the F platform have some serious track potential.
@@lambr0063 gt3 is totally different
I meant club racing
Barely anyone uses them
Exactly why I love it. I like uncommon track cars.
The weight and trans are the biggest problem with the rcf unfortunately
Transmission is great
@@Slurm818 great in reliability but in shifting speed not so much.
The Lexus should have gained a few extra horsepowers when the belt came off.