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What Bear Protection do you Use? Alaskan Gun Channel Roundtable
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I never go to bear country, but when I go I carry a 22 mini revólver and convince my mother in law to come with me.
best bear protection is a slow friend!
Lol
I like to have Jerry Miculek with me in bear country. Caliber and firearm selection would absolutely be at his discretion. I would not bet on me getting the first shot off let alone on target on a charging bear. I trust Jerry and his abilities. If by chance he declines, them I won’t go either, or live there.
I carry a 10mm and my buddy recently switched to a 10mm also. When i asked why he switched he said..... cause you can run faster then me.
😂
SW 629 "6 barrel w/ S&B 44 Remington Magnum 240 Grain JSP for black bears and Buffalo Bore 44 Remington Magnum 305 Grain Lead Long Flat Nose for Brown Bears :D
For a sidearm, may I suggest a Glock model 21 converted to a 460 Roland. All that is required, is a barrel change and stronger springs in mags. The chamber pressure is hugely higher than the .45 acp. The .460 Rowland using a 255 grain HC FN bullet @ 1300 FPS produces 957 Ft. lbs. at the muzzle. This is comparable to a .44 magnum, but with mags holding 13 rounds and in the chamber. And is a lighter weight weapon.
My old spotter has a retreat in Alaska. His bear gun is a Barrett bullpup in .50 BMG. That is the ultimate bear gun in his opinion
Haha that needs to be my bear gun too!
Pull pin, release spoon, throw.
@@m783w followed by duck and cover. Bear gravy gonna smell.
Keith Warren had a video of concussion killing a doe with his .50, bullet never even hit the deer but the massive shockwave from the bullet flying over the deers head was gruesome.
@@m783w lmfao
When I was in PT Barrow the natives all carried Mossberg 500s or 590s with a slug. Had brackets mounted on their 4 wheelers. Use what the locals use.
Nick Serritella
Some surveyors carried bird shot for the first shot for in your face encounters. Blind then bear with the fist shot to the eyes. Follow up shot were slugs.
When I have a 4wheeler, I will 😂
That's for pussies. Might as well just throw sand in your eyes. Don't be a bitch.
@@1stcSOLDIER buckshot?
@@tomhickman1006smart.
Love these roundtable discussions. Everyone seems humble and open to offering different perspectives. Insightful!
+Andrew Smith hey thanks! We are planning more. The other channels have posted other duscussions we have done as well.
Met a guy who claimed to be from Alaska at a Texas gun range a few years ago. I asked him what he used for bear protection(not hunting) & he said an AK. Thirty rounds of 7.62 makes a bear more humble
An AK chambered in 7.62 would be a fairly decent bear defense gun honestly. I’d feel adequately armed with my AK103 as my primary if I had to go into brown bear territory solely due to the higher capacity. I guarantee no bear is going to fair well once it has 10+ rounds of 7.62 put in him. I’d take capacity and being able to get more shots off faster over a higher caliber lever or bolt rifle. Ideally you’d have a semi auto rifle chamber in x51mm over x39mm but 7.62 Soviet would suffice.
I'm an Alaskan. When I lived on Kodiak Island I carried a 12 ga or a 375 weatherby with a 41 mag revolver as backup just about every time i was out. I live in south central now and although I still carry my 41 mag I find that I dont bring a rifle or shotgun as much unless I'm hunting. This year I'm going to upgrade the 41, which I always thought was under powered for big bears. ( but it's what I have so it's what I use) The bigger the better for bears. I say carry the biggest gun you can shoot well. It's better to hit with a 357 than miss with a 500 S&W. I wouldnt count on getting brain shots on a charging bear, it's just too small of a target. That's why you want a powerful gun, powerful enough to shatter large bone, structurally breaking the bear down and reaching vital organs. If 10mm was all I could handle I'd go with that , otherwise go 44mag or bigger.
Hey great comment thanks! I agree!
Shuff's Parkerizing - the owner is the guy that builds 'Mini-Gs,' essentially modified 16.1" M1 Garands - says he builds or converts a dozen or so M1s per year for Alaskan residents chambered in .35 Whelen. The AK folks want .35W Mini-Gs because they're powerful, handy, fast-pointing 'bush guns' for protection against the big bears. The semi-auto ..35Whelen Mini-G runs on the same 30-06 en bloc clips as a normal Garand. They're handier and shoot faster with less felt-recoil than a long-barreled big-bore magnum bolt rifle or a 12ga shotgun. You guys up there might want to look into them: Shuff's Mini-Gs - in 308, 30-06, or .35Whelen. Just FYI ...
Mad Jack I never heard of that but it's worth checking out, thanks.
What about the FN Para?very handy and a lot of ammo in the magazine,not for a main protection gun just in place of a revolver. Now for the handguns if I was in a bear country the minimum cal I would carry is the 44mag.
Yeah, Skinny, check out Shuff's Mini-Gs brother. He's really got the transformation down. It's not cheap, but if you can supply a 'donor' M1 to him for conversion, you're money ahead. In talking to him, he says the 35 Whelen conversion is popular with his AK clients over just using the '06 G.I. barrel because they want the additional punch of the heavier, larger diameter 35-cal bullet - 225gns & 250gns. I have an '06 Mini for which I handload 200gn & 220gn bullets for the short-range hunting of hogs and deer. But if I lived anywhere in AK, I'd definitely have Shuff upgrade that Mini to .35W. He uses Criterion barrels which are VERY accurate. Again, if you want a reliable short-range, semi-auto 'carbine-size' bush weapon with a lot of punch, check out the Mini-Gs. Good luck!
In a stressful situation, seems that w/ the right rounds, a 10mm is worth consideration as it provides high round capacity, minimal recoil & easy to carry w/ decent penetration.
Old reloader trick! Drip hot wax over the crimp of your shotshells for waterproofing.
I tried that...in Texas. It gummed up my magazine tube. First and last time EVER using wax around my gunz!
That might work in cold or mild climates, but not in Texas.
The shotguns themselves are a bit allergic to water mostly
I remember watching this video a year ago thinking man 10mm sounds unreal. Now a year later I have a about 6 glocks and my fav is my Glock 21 10mm conversion with a 6 inch Wolf 🐺.
Very proud of you chukes getting Alaskan channels to have cool discussion s on guns
Mad respect for what all of you do and how you get ‘er done. More props for your ability to share with us here in Kommunist Kanada (that’s why I bring out a 1895 GSBL, and 870 12 gauge in Black bear country). I appreciate all you guys do, and here’s hoping a bucket list trip / hunt/adventure may one day happen to support you all! Peace Be To Journey!
12 gauge is the way to go. Carry it in your hands - not over your shoulder. If you think your rounds won't work wet, test them ahead of time. There are lots of military grade shotshells out there that are made to be exposed to water.
saskcop
Agree. Another option is to use a primer water sealant and put a layer of soft hot glue, even paraffin over the crimp area of the shell. This should make the shell quite water resistant except for prolonged immersion.
Guy in the blue shirt knows his stuff for sure
Bear spray in the hand, 500mag on the chest, glock 17 on the hip (not specifically for bear, but everything else.) A rifle is ideal, but not really feasible for some recreational outdoorsmen that really aren’t hunting or are on public land. 500 is my go to for hiking.
What exactly is"everything else"???
Very good intellectual argument. Much respect
An old Alaskan guide ask me if I knew why the folks around there filed the front sight off their 44 mags first thing? I didn't know? He said, "So when the bear takes it from you, it doesn't hurt as bad when he shoves it up your a$$!!" 😳🤣😥 Nuff said!
kentucky windage222 HAHA WELL SAID We don’t carry handguns up here just as well too. I just avoid them. In 50 plus yrs l had to shoot only two. With a rifle! I would have to be damn hungry to eat a bear🇨🇦🤠
I always carry when in bear country Bear Spray, a M&P 40 on my hip with additional 30 rds, an my Rem 870 Tac with 11 PDX 1 Defender rds
Nice man! Its always good to see 907 youtubers especially on gun topics.
I think I have it covered.. 6.5" bbl X Frame S&W revolver in 500 S&W Mag, and a Big Horn Armory Model 89 Spike Driver in 500 S&W Mag...
In Florida what I carry for black bear is a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44mag with 35/8 barrel . Y’all take care and be safe. God Bless
12 ga pump, 20" barrel. ... 3" mag.... solid slugs
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO!! 1 444 Marlin 2 44mag 3 45 Super!!
12 gage shotgun with any quality 3" slug works wonders plus it's cheep and reliable.
Make it a semi-auto for ease of use.
@Rara Neagra what do you recommend?
@Rara Neagra I have a hard time understanding what you're saying. I'm not a gun guy, and I'm a French speaker. But without going into crazy precise detail, what you're saying is the most reliable against a brown bear is a strong ass rifle?
@Rara Neagra I'm Canadian, but thanks for the info! We have tons of brown bears over here in the West. But moron Prime Minister Trudeau banned most semi auto rifles and most 10 gauge and 12 gauge, and you can't carry a handgun in Canada. So I guess we're all fucked!
@Rara Neagra Yup new from like 2 weeks ago. He pretty much did that illegally, but he has been acting like a damn dictator driving the country into the ground, and taking our rights away one by one really quickly. People who want to vote Blue in the US don't have a clue what they wish for. You'd get the same treatment gradually.
I have a 10mm and 44 mag here in NW Montana. 10mm is easier to carry, 44 magnum is more reassuring. The extreme penetrator line from underwood is awesome for both of these calibers and is what i carry in grizzly country regardless of the pistol i decided to pack for the day.
On my other hip is ALWAYS a can of bear spray.
45 acp? Brass balls imo.
one thing that i have seen first-hand... semi-auto pistol, rifle, & shotgun sometimes do not work below 10 degrees farinheight.
Revolvers (other than Colt) will cycle and function even at -10 degrees F. Colt has tighter cylinder gap and may not be reliable in very low temperature conditions.
My Ruger 41 Mag Redhawk or my Taurus 66 357mag, both with Buffalo bore or Underwood semi-wadcutter rounds in 180 to 230 grains hardcast lead rounds will do what i need.
In Wisconsin when I'm bow hunting I take 357 magnum revolver model 66 4" 7 round, ammunition is Underwood extreme penetrator 140 grain or American Eagle 158 grain jsp for protection against black bear, cougars, bobcats, wolves, coyotes and most importantly crazy 4 legged freaks LOL
To avoid wet ammo seal your defense ammo with finger nail Polish. Primers and bullet.
these retards need to be eaten
Where do you put the polish?
@@katana258 Lots of Alaskans do this.
@@deansmith6118 Across the crimp and primer
For those slugs, melt some wax and fill the front. Or glue
Not sure why people think bear spray is somehow not going to work. It has been thouroly researched and shown to be extremely effective in stopping bear charges in the vast majority of accounts. I trust the spray to work alot more than I trust myself to draw and land accurate fire out of a large revolver with a short barrel under extreme stress. I do carry a spray and a 10mm but my go to if a bear charges is going to be the spray. It's fast, easy to use and requires very little "accuracy"
I use bear spray as well, but agree that both sidearm and spray is the way to go. Lots of situations where the bear is up wind (if it was downwind it would have scented you and walked off most likely), or you are in a tent and the bear is right outside. Bear spray is effective in the right scenarios. A hunting buddy of mine deployed it on a black bear and it was upwind and he got enough back in his face that it rendered him helpless. Thankfully the bear got scared and ran off. He never carry’s bear spray anymore.
Yeah , all I will need to carry is Hickock 45 !!!
sheriff longmire I’d believe that man really could grin a bear out of a tree
Killing a bear in a hunting scenario is vastly different than killing one that's charging. In my opinion some of these smaller caliber rounds maybe fine with a well-placed shot during hunting but an angry bear charging or mauling you is altogether a different story.
So what do you suggest? Shotgun with slugs?
@@bibigreen6533 For sure! Or any heavy rifle caliber, especially on large bear. 375 and up!
@@bibigreen6533a barret m107
I carry a Mossberg Shockwave 12gage. I laod 00buck,slug,00buck,slug,00buck,slug.. also I like a 16"45/70 Marlin or Henry.
Mr. Bennett now i like this idea
very nice! I'm hoping to get a Black Aces Tactical Shockwave this summer!
you are a smart man , these folks with the hand guns are not long for this world.
why do you load in that pattern?
Shooting a bear once with 00 buck is like shooting one 9 times with a .380 ACP. Meaning not effective. Stick to slugs.
If you coat the primer and crimp on your shot shells with a little nail polish or wax ( dip shell ends in melted wax).
The shotty will go boom every time, even when wet. Just don't shoot with a barrel full of water.
EXACTLY !!!
Cmon, you're not going to hit a bear with a handgun when you're shaking and shitting.
great video guys. wanted to make a suggestion. i built a 10 inch 458 socom upper with a stockless lower and it works great with pointed or ballistic tipped ammo. i cant use soft or flat points. so just make sure your feeding is hpw you want it with what ammo you use. i dont mind running the rounds i do so im not gana mess with it. bit i sling it on my chest to my left. and ive never had an issue its weight or with brush snagging it and ive gone through some thick brush. just keep the dust cover closed and its a pretty well sealed system . dont use carbon fiber lowers. their too fragile and probably wouldnt handle the 458 socom well at all. stay safe out there ,love the show!
Everybody on the 10mm bandwagon, the 44mag is the superior round on the couch!!!
Agreed...
Everyone knows 44mag has superior power/penetration. But a semi-auto 10mm with 3x the ammo is superior in rapid succession of fire. 99% of the time you'll have to protect yourself when you're most vulnerable. tired, cooking food, taking a shit, sleeping. Almost everyone will be faster with semi auto, and more effective with more ammo
Capacity difference between 6 shots and 15 is irrelevant when it comes to protection agains large animals. I am yet to find a case when someone died because lack of capacity of their weapon. You are not getting in a shootout with a bear and if bear ot cougar do attack, it happens really fast. You would be lucky if there is enough time to fire 3 rounds. That is why experienced old timers stick to their 44. Mag revolvers or above. Maximizing chance of 1 shot stop . Also, 1 malfunction in semi auto will get you killed and if jumped by an animal, you can't press semi auto on animal and fire while you can with revolver. Because of tacticool reasons and mall ninja mentality, 10mm will grow in popularity for woods carry, but it is comprised like any other semi auto. Those living in bear country for years carry high power revolvers for a reason.
@@thedriver5462 : agree 100%
@@thedriver5462 Truth
Mossberg cruiser 12 gauge on a sling around my neck with a 71/2 inch Ruger 44 on the hip.
Good choice!
.45 hard cast flat nose +p buffalo bore. With MULTIPLE mags out of a sw m&p. As my backup to my mossberg ati 12 gauge with war wolf double megaball. War wolf ordinance.....good juju.
Am I good in black bear country backpacking with an sp 101 with 180 gr. rounds ? Was thinking of carrying a 44 or 454 Ruger Alaskan.
45-70 rifle load is legit.
.416 Rigby. 400 Grain Swift A frame.
Glock 20SF. Buffalo Bore +P+ Hard cast.
Benelli M4 I forgot what I have. My only drawback is the
Rigby rounds set me back about $160 a box.
When I do hunting and trout fishing with family in the mountains I carry mt every day carry my smith and wesson model v 40 gen one with a 14 round mag woth the R.I.P round with full mag and one in the chamber also carry a 25 round mag just in case of pack of wolf's or just if I need more ammo and then I keep a single shot 410 pocket pistol for my back up with my knife .
From what I read, before the 44 magnum came out, people in Alaska was using the 357 magnum for bear protection. Think if I lived or worked or camped in those area's think I would be carrying the Marlin guide gun 45-70 or bigger, or a shotgun.
WEIGHT! THE DETERMINING FACTOR for a 74 year old!
MARLIN 45-70 & GLOCK 10 MM.
I have a 475 linebaugh also, it's HEAVY but its a great revolver!
Rarely carry that FREEDOM ARMS!
Just a fact there is the corotid artery in the armpit. I’ve heard ab a dude stabbing another guy in prison and sliced that artery. Guy was dead in minutes. The guy who stabbed did that on purpose bc he did his homework. Not sure where you thought there was no meaningful artery in the armpit. It’s much in fact the opposite.
ALWAYS spray your slugs with silicone or dip them in wax. I thought everyone did that in bear country. Do NOT dip them below the brass. This has been tried and true for over 100 years.
Get to the second guy “uhh... .45 1911, 200gr bullets” ok I think I’ve heard enough
I was a little surprised by that... Those rounds are subsonic? right?
Yes
I'm not sure I would trust a subsonic 200gr .45 to stop an angry bear to be honest.
Outland I’ve heard plenty of stories of .45 slugs ricocheting off of bear’s heads
He also bragged about getting rid of an HK45. That was his third strike....
The big bore handguns are nice in Hollywood, but I will stay with my Glock 20 sixteen 10 mills are hard to beat.
Dave Alexander I think you get your feelings hurt too easy. You probably shouldn’t own a gun. Dumb fuck.
I know a guy that killed a 400 lb black bear with a .22 lr. Certainly not ideal in the least but, it got the job done. He heard his rottie going off one night because it had cornered the bear on his deck. While the bear was distracted by the dog, he slid his door open and put the .22 to the back of the bears head and it dropped like a bag of hammers (the way his deck is, all he had to do was extend his arm, he didnt have to exit the house). Has the bear in his living room now. BTW, he only grabbed the .22 because it was the first thing in sight and he was worried about his dog. He even said it was a dumb thing to do but, you work with what you got I guess.
handgun?
@@sawyermounce1927 Yes. Ruger MKIII
I’m from pa. Have a house in the Poconos. I see black bear all the time. Had one on my deck. I opened up the curtains on my sliding door and there he was lol. I just use .357 and / or shotgun
Small world, I watch Do It Rite videos for long time now. Great company! Regard's from Poland!
Im fool :-) I just like these guys. Ive been in place where we sleep for long time in tent in area where, maybe small but still bears, was at home and I can have only spear, bow, machete and pepper spray. I got regular city/war guns. But if I will go in to the bears country where I can have guns I will make deep research on that, but now. Im just a fool.
Im not calling research now nothing. Im calling this entertainment, like for some are clowns who running around bulls. Im not going to Alaska soon, I wish. But if I will im gonna listen to You and everyone who can show me some knowledge. It is good so You have something to say. Then just say it and we all can learn something. Becouse they make that movies we can meet here. And that is good thing.
Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun (16” Barrel).
Marlin 1895 GSBL for me....Life is Good!! Peace Be To Journey!
Wishing Smith & Wesson would release a 10MM M&P version at Shot Show next week.
AlabamaPilgrim333 agreed!! Would love one of those
Not quite the same, but the s&w 1006 is one hell of a 10mm.
Check into 45 super or 460 roland you will forget about that 10mm when you look at 45 super or even that 460 rowland is up there with 44 mag check it out .
Could you afford it?
I shoot 900 lbs charging brown bear
With my smith and wesson 629 4 inch 44 magnum 310 grain hard cast flat nose bullet it takes 4 shot to get the job done
I really enjoyed you video and view points.
Thank you for sharing.
Get a AR pistol, buy a 11.5" .300 HAM'R barrel for it, that would be perfect for black bears and brown bears in Alaska. A friend of mine who lives in Montana killed a 430lb male grizzly bear last year that charged him while he was on the river fishing, he killed the Bear with an AR pistol that he had installed a 8" 300 HAM'R barrel in, the AR pistol had a primary arms SLX MD ACSS Red dot on it. He fired three shots, hitting the bear in the head with two of them, My friend showed me pictures, those two rounds split the bear's skull wide open. I saw Bill Wilson's videos of him testing the .300 HAM'R cartridge, the terminal ballistics performance is phenomenal, He uses the
300 HAM'R for hunting wild boar, Bull Elk. I also have an AR pistol with a 8" - 300 HAM'R barrel but mine is for home defense, the 300 HAM'R is a Great cartridge for a bunch of different applications so I think it would serve someone in Alaska really well if they're looking for a lightweight small package rifle for backpacking, hiking, fishing, hunting for protection.
If capacity wasn’t an issue. Which caliber would you prefer to carry a 44mag or a 10mm. Like I said. Capacity not an issue
10mm for two legged savages and .44 magnum is the bare minimum for dangerous four legged beasts.
Jason Schmidt bear minimum**
I totally agree with you that 10 mm is to light for brown bear. Shot placement with any round is critical. I carried a 44 for many years in Alaska with Garrett hard cast and I love that gun and round. About 10 years ago I switched to 50 cal. Smith. I feel much more comfortable carrying this pistol which has twice the energy of a 44. In my opinion in certain situations your only going to get one round possibly two off on a charging brown or grizzly bear. I want to put as much energy on that animal that is reasonably possible.
9 for the hoods and 10 for the woods
How would you guys feel about a 45 ACP 230 grain FMJ for defense against bears.. no one else has a good video on it
Northern New Mexico/Southern Colorado. Ruger Redhawk 44mag with Buffalo Bore +P+. I wear padded bicycle gloves.
Pulls out double rifle in .500 NE.
Bears scare the shit out of me.
Thanks guys, good discussion. I've always carried my Ruger Redhawk .44 and having shot it a lot I trust it. Knew I could go with a S&W 500, but was thinking Tanfoglio 10mm, or Redhawk .41.
I carry one of several guns from 44mag to 454 for Brown or polar bears. I don't carry a 357 or less. My tombstone won't read "a 10mm vs a Grizzley got me here, shoulda taken my 44mag." 10mm is fine for Blackies, but not Brownies or Polar bear.
I personally take 12 gauge slug 9.3x62 mauser and 44 magnum
I never try 10 mm but I don't think its not enough for big 800 lb or more brown bear neither 357 magnum too
Thanks for the insight on the shotgun shells. People need to hear that.
Shotgun 3" or 3 1/2" shells slugs and buckshot.
Handgun 44mag, 45 Win. Mag. , 454, 460, 500 S&W nothing smaller than the 44mag.
These guys are clueless...
24 model Glock with a 9 inch 357 sig Lone Wolf barrel or a similar setup in 10mm Glock with a 9 inch 9×25 Dillan barrel.
.44 I’d prefer the .454 c, .475 Lin, 480 Ruger all will do the job but for weight do prefer 10mm when you got weight issues. The 10mm will penetrate
Question..? Does everyone carry a 12 gauge because its cheap firepower..? Because there seems a limitless amount of rifle calibers that leave it for dead..?
Bigger diameter bigger hole. Great bear stopper
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures Really..? But Shotgun slugs are too slow to mushroom. Any 30cal rifle round is going to double in size in wound canel. And a expanding mono solid will out penetrate a 12 bore any time. I just wonder why the larger African type calibers aren't more prevalent..?
You guys are nerds. Awesome.
Marlin 45-70 with big bear loads, back up Rowland 460 modified Glock 21SF......
5" 629 44 Magnum 300 hardcast. Bare minimum. 300 hardcast will transverse a bear, bones and all. You get one more try before it ghosts you. Fire all 6 and try to reload for good measure
458 socom and the 50bowulf cant go wrong with one of the other
The long and short if it is that handgun calibers are not your best choice for bears. Yes, rifles and shotguns have more weight and bulk but it's worth it to me.
This was a discussion worth watching. No pissing match.
I got a Glock 20 10mm on lawaway. I'm in northern Michigan and live around black bears, big cats, and wolves
If using a 12 gauge...slugs only, how big of a slug? Or double or triple buckshot also? Alternate buck and slugs?
Here in Alberta Canada, since we can't carry handguns, I carry my Ruger Guide Gun in 338 win mag, short and handy 20" barrel, 225gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws put down enough energy 3700+ ft lbs of energy out of the muzzle and good trajectory for hunting, also great penetration and weight retention. It's the perfect caliber for deer, elk, moose, bear on so on. One gun, one load, to deal with most situations. I also use my Ruger African 338wm with a 23" barrel. Both guns and quick and handy, very reliable Mauser style actions, 3 pos safety. Great set of open sights, Warne quick detach ring mounts. Leupold VX-R Firedot scopes. Can't find much of a better setup and i've tried most.
gixxer006 , Try a 45/70 w Mauser ramp sights. In a close griz attack you wont have time to "sight". Just look down the bbl & SHOOT!!
True I can agree with that, i do take off my scope soon as i harvest an animal and walk around iron sights. But yes in the case of an attack, there wont be much time to sight, although i do like the ruger African sights, very shallow V and easy to mount as soon as you come up its lined up. I do have a Marlin guide gun in 45-70 just with the factory irons, really do like it, I shoot the 435gr hsm bear loads out of it. 45-70 is great
I want to see a video of you four guys debating bigfoot. Explaining why you believe or why you don't believe.
45 long colt with hsm bear load 325gr +p
375 h&h is all you need. 300 and 350 gr bullets for choice. The first shot counts more than the follow ups, so put in a good and accurate first shot , for this will deter any bear.
.458 Socom. 405gr buffalo bore, or a 350 high velocity
460sw with 44mag backup or 10mm. I prefer my 416 Rigby as a main gun with handgun as backup or 12 ga with 2 3/4-3in slugs(wax sealed)!
The gun you have and CARRY is better than no gun at all. Now it is nice to have a powerful handgun but for Brown/ Grizzly Bear a rifle is best. The 10 MM is an excellent anti-personnel pistol, great for self defense against people, against Brown/ Grizzly Bear I would say it, along with the .357 Magnum, is the minimum you should have. It's nice to have the amount of ammunition you can get in a 10MM, the Rock Island Double stack 10MM will give you 17 shots, not too shabby but the more powerful the better against a bear. I prefer Autoloaders to Revolvers so my woods gun is the Desert Eagle in .50AE which is a good bit more powerful than the .44 magnum. I still carry my 10 MM with me anyway as that is my regular carry gun. The only difference is I carry different ammunition in it when I'm in the woods.
Choice would be a 12 gauge shotgun pump with 7+1 of Remington accu tip 385 grain 2 3/4 slugs hand gun 44 magnum but a high capacity 10mm has more firepower but not as effective of a round of course a 454 ,460,500 will work great also but also has low round count and expensive to feed but a 450 bushmaster rifle is also a good choice if you can aford it and to feed it
This dude next to Chuke talking about his dislike of Lehigh extreme penetrators is off his rocker. I see his points about deviation, but his references to the military and soldiers getting shot by 7.62x39 I’m assuming, is not necessarily relevant to hunting and the extreme penetrator bullet itself. Soldiers are getting shot by fmj spitzer rifle rounds, whereas hunters use jacketed soft point, hardcast, and then the extreme penetrators....the Phillips head looking shape of the EP’s causes damage similar to a hollowpoint, while having the ability to penetrate further because it doesn’t have the need to expand. Any coastal brown or mountain grizzly shot by a .45-70, .44 mag, 10mm, etc extreme penetrator or hardcast is going to have an extremely bad day, just saying. I also definitely would not carry a 9mm pistol into bear country as my primary backup unless that was for whatever reason my only option. 9mm is great, but for an animal as tough & resilient as a vengeful mountain grizzly, something significantly more powerful like a S&W or Ruger .44 mag, a S&W or Coonan.357 mag, or a Glock 20, 40, or 1911 chambered in 10mm would carry its weight and possibly save your life should a bear decide to charge you, knocking your rifle or shotgun out of your hands. That and a good sharp Bowie knife, Ka-Bar, trench knife, or fixed blade tanto grind.....if it comes down to your knife though you’re most likely going to be a meal unless you’re Leo DiCaprio in the Revenant lol 😆🐻
300 blk out an 45/70 are no where near the same.
I’d Take a 45/70 over 300. Only thing I like about the 300 is a big clip.
I carry 454 casull in grizz country
@@jaredwhite489 that’s to much recoil for me.
Taurus model 66 in .357magnum with Buffalo Bore 800lbs/ft energy... or Ruger Redhawk in .41magnum with 210 to 230grain ammo in 1040-1155lbs/ft energy. Shotgun is useless when the bear is on me. Need a pistol with serious ballistics.
Now you fellows are into what you are doing for bear.. A wealth of information that's for sure .. .44 mag and as far as how low would i go , it would be .357 mag.. 10mm is a powerful round , i can say i have only ever fired one when S&W brought out the ctg in one of their revolvers .. Good job and well presented .. Gives me more to think about .. I agree with 12 gauge with the correct load .. I'm not a great fan of packing a shotgun around all day... Beyond any doubt they will work fine..
You also have to consider that even a 30-06 180 core lock bullet can be deviated by spinal bones.
A bullet through the eye socket or mouth a close quarters should put the bears lights out. And yes bears are fast,
I've used most of the guns you've talked about the AR 15 pistol in 300 blackout would work as will the AK 47 Sam7 pistol with the Sig brace with Hornady ammo or the 154 gr Herters load.
My favorite is a 454 Casull shooting hard cast bullets
From a stainless steel Winchester model 92 legacy lever action
Holds 10 rounds and is still easy to carry in my hand.
Tom Hickman all good points! I have been gravitating to both the 454 and lever actions...
Tom hickman have you shot a bear charging you?
@@hemidart7 no, had the 180 core lock bullet deviated when I shot a mule deer, it hit the spine.
All the bears I've run into take off running the other way, with the exception of one that was up a tree.
Although I appreciate the time and effort of these four, this is a low confidence video. None of them have actual bear charge takedown experience using these weapons. Lots of sort of parallel experience. They all present theoretical potential. I'll give it a thumbs up for effort.
Glock 20 , 6 in Alpha Wolf barrel and Underwood 200gr hardcast carried in a Paradise Valley Leather chest rig and I’m not fearing man nor beast here in NW Montana.
Longbow. And knife and 500 all time
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Good point on shotgun slugs. Never thought of that s an issuse.
I had a bisen at meat packer and he shot 3 point blank .357 rounds in skull. None penetrated and when skinned 1 bullet was stuck in the hide!
What kind of ammo though?
What barrel length?