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Survivor Bias. What about the hunters that shot the bear and became bear food or even worse had a gun but couldn't get to it fast enough. That's what I wanna see vs the successful hunters
The problem here is that the writers have no clue on how bear attacks unfold. I do. I was mauled over twenty years ago on Kodiak, and following that I researched every bear mauling where I could get actual details on the attack itself. I wrote a book on the subject (A Kodiak Bear Mauling - Amazon). Yes, of course you can kill a bear with any respectable handgun while hunting, it's been done many times. In an actual attack you won't have time to draw a handgun, much less place an accurate shot simply because brown/grizzly attacks don't happen the way Hollywood movies portray them. When grizzlies attack it's almost always a case of a hunter or hiker approaching a bear that's lying up along a trail. In most cases they simply glide away and you never even know a bear was there. Sometimes they puff up and give you a terrifying threat display. Threat displays are not a prelude to an attack, in fact just the opposite, he's already decided to scare you off rather than maul you. Simply heed the warning and back off. More rarely, they hear/smell you coming and move downwind (they don't know we can't smell them) in a half circle, creep in to 25 yards or so and sprint in at 25-30 mph. They will be on you in within one to two seconds after that sprint begins. Brown/grizzlies are ambush predators. That's how they operate and that's how at least 95% of brown/grizzly maulings occur. They don't attack you as food, it's simply a space thing. You got too close. Why? My theory is that since every other animal in the wild will smell that a bear has used that same trail and turn away, our approach right through that same scent patch is seen as a challenge. Bears are the dominant species in wild country and when we challenge them (even though we do so unwittingly) they will sometimes take us down as punishment. It's that simple, and it happens so quickly that handguns or even rifles are generally useless. My rifle was in my hands because I was stalking some blacktail along a thick ledge that I had viewed from below. The bear came in so quickly I was unable to fully raise my rifle before the animal was inside it and flattened me. The bear ran me over, the rifle went flying and then it turned around and worked me over, badly. The only effective bear defense against brown/grizzlies is to never go into thick country where they lie up during the day. If you hunt, stay up on the bare ridges and glass from above. The same for hikers, stay in open country. Brown/grizzly bears don't stalk or hunt humans, they only respond to what they think is a challenge by humans. Black bears are different, though they are much less likely to engage a human. When they do it's for food and they'll generally push and test you for a while before coming in. A heavy handgun will easily suffice and you'll almost certainly have time to use it against a predatory black bear. If you are in brown/grizzly country carry a lever .45/70 or a shotgun w/ slugs (if you're not already carrying a hunting rifle). If you are hunting have 1x6 optic and keep it dialed down to 1X until you need higher magnification. The typical 3X9 or 4X12 leaves you blind at close ranges. And again, your best defense is to stay on the bare ridges no matter what you're hunting. Bears are in thickets most of the daylight hours, just stay out of there.
Hey thanks for the comment! That makes a lot of sense too about not much you can do when they come running that fast. I've heard that before. And also a great idea to stay in the open country!
Great comment from real life experience. Thanks for sharing! I completely agree, though I wouldn’t doubt if a few of those short ambushes over the years have been with the intention to eat us when it comes to grizzly. But the territorial scent theory seems to make sense for the vast majority of those attacks. More and more of these type of encounters have me convinced to maintain at least 20-30 yard of visibility around you as you’re walking through the thicker stuff. Sometimes that’s just not possible. For those times it’s not, I’d have a gun in hand at the ready. Even so, you just never know how much time that bear will give you
I have been charged by black bear twice. Yes, they are faster than people think. You may get a couple shots off, and they better be heavy caliber. There will be no 15 round mag dumps. Be aware and careful.
Just this past week there was a fatal bear attack in Prescott Valley, AZ (a very pretty area in between Flagstaff and Phoenix). An adult male black bear attacked, killed, dragged off into the woods, and partially consumed a 63 year old man who was just relaxing in his yard. One of his neighbors heard him screaming and killed this bear with his rifle, but it was too late. Here in southern AZ we have black bears, mountain lions, coyotes, javelinas, plus rattle snakes, gila monsters, venomous spiders, scorpions, etc. We've actually had confirmed sightings, some on video, of jaguar, in the mountains east of Tuscon. I always have my EDC on my person, wherever I am, at home or otherwise. Stay safe.
Having personally been involved in a Grizzly bear charge, I remember VERY CLEARLY one very important detail. The speed at which it happened. Unreal. Mind blowing how time suddenly stands still and everything is happening like its underwater and your body is suddenly more of a threat than the bear because nothing wants to move quickly, nothing is working the way its supposed to. And one more thing I remember clearly now, if your form of protection isnt instantly avalable, and you havnt practised drawing under extreme speed and stress, well, your probably fucked. Train accordingly Gents.
Exactly sir! I have personally been charged by a black bear and you are right about the speed at which it happens. Mine ended up close enough to touch with the barrel of my rifle. I had a hard time sleeping that night.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct. All this jawing about this and that firearm. Bear goes from 0-30 in about two seconds and your brain just can't get it together quick enough.
Warning shots are hard for me to justify...if I get in a situation where I need that last round...that guy that fired 6 warning shots with an 8 round magazine is a crazy SOB
They didn't ask me, 2017 California, xd40 4", bear charged at kids in camp, I had split second to respond, shot a brown bear, 4 shots at 45 yards, bear was done 3 feet away from a 9 year old girl. 3 out of 4 hits broadside from bears left. Game wardens said lung and heart hit, also a front left paw. Kids were put to their cabins for the rest of the day.
Not bears, but alligators where I am. It happens like this: you are walking an overgrown levee or high ground near the water’s edge, maybe 7-8 feet away. The marsh grass is way taller than you, but you are on a 4-5 foot wide trail. You can clearly see where the gators climb in and out of the water on their favorite paths. You come up on a pile of vegetation and immediately recognize it as a nest. You hear the charge and in 1/2 a second catch the movement. It comes at you blindingly fast closing that 6-7 foot distance in less than a second. It has closed on you before you can even get your hand down to your side. You are out of reaction time. Your adrenal gland has squeezed every bit of juice into your bloodstream to give you the ape like reflex to jump back, hopefully find your footing, and RUN, sheer panic terror run. You know it will stop after only ten feet, but that means nothing in this moment. You survive, you stop. Your neck and temples are pounding matching your heartbeat. You know you’re a hardened combat vet. You know how fast and deadly you are with your pistol. It means nothing in that moment. You are merely prey that escaped, and you know it.
Gators are no joke, but unless they can immediately drag you into water after the bite, I suspect you have more opportunity to do SOMETHING with a weapon than if a bear charges you. Even black bears can flatten a person on a charge no problem, in a way where you may not be capable of using either arm. Gators and crocs are still very dangerous though. Even humans can be very dangerous when rushing with a knife inside 20 yards. Bears are larger, comically stronger, and faster in that run-up. And when they hit, they're bringing more force than professional NFL linemen in addition to the means to tear you apart. Definitely preferable to not have that running up on you.
Having grown up in Montana, I would be skeptical about venturing out with anything less than my .357 but I think this highlights that any gun is better than no gun at all.
Agreed. Have only lived in MT for about 15 years, but I live in bear country, as in the neighbors have to chase bears away from their dumpster. I wear a gun everywhere, at least a 22. No sense in bringing non-lethal weapons to a fight to the death.
It's equally important as is bullet construction. Hollow points are a no-no against bears. It doesn't penetrate deep enough to get to the vital organs or penetrate the thick bones of the bear skulls and rib cages.
Unfortunately from what I've seen in most cases, precise shot placement (with the head being the absolute best bet) is next to impossible, due to not only short distance attacks ... but bears often move very quickly and sporadically when attacking. That and the fear/adrenaline rush seem to really take a toll on aim - hence why many of these reports involve numerous shots.
I was one of the clients for the #11 story. SEP 2016. We were bow hunting for Elk in Ennis, MT, and were headed back to our truck after hunting most of the day a few miles in. We were on horseback, and thankfully, the guide was leading my dad and brother and I. We were very aware it was bear country and remained cognizant of our surroundings. However, when we ran into the Sow and cub, we were only 5-10 min hike to our truck, so I kinda let my guard down and was simply enjoying the scenery from the horseback. I was the last in line. Thankfully, the guide was in front and saw the grizzly sow about 100 yards away- she and the cub were right off the trail we were on. Thank God he was paying attention - kept us from potentially getting ambushed! He motioned for us to stop and get off our horses, which i believe was the right move - no telling how dangerous it would have been if the horses freaked out, it's not like my dad, brother or myself are experienced horseman. So we got off our horse, the guide yelled out, "Hey Bear!" - trying to scare it off. Afterall, there were 4 of us and 4 horses. That bear couldn't have given two licks how many of us there were. She stood up for a few seconds, dropped down and raced towards us. The guide stated shooting when she was about 70 yards away. She was running so fast that i could see the dust kick up behind her from the bullet. 3 shots i saw like this. Finally, the 4th shot - from about 20-30 yards away, she stopped in her tracks and shook for a second. She then made a hard 90° turn and ran up a hill with her yearling cub following closely behind. The guide reloaded his 44, we got back on our horses and made it back to the trailhead. Called it in to the game warden as soon as we had service. They never found blood. The amazing thing is that the horses never spooked. They were trained right and were used to gunfire, but by the grace of God, they never saw the bear changing strait for us. That could have been just, if not more dangerous for my dad and i, who would have been trampled haha. A couple weeks later, the gentleman Todd Orr was scouting in that area and was mauled a couple of times hy a grizzly sow. I've never met Todd, but I have always wanted to tell him that it was probably the same pissed off bear with a 44 slug lodged in her chest lol! Chuke, immediately after this incident, i purchased a Glock 20 and got some spicy underwood ammo! Got the wife the G29.
It's the user bias. People have been told for decades that they need a 44 magnum for bear, so that's what they use. And when 95% of people are using 44 magnum for bear defense, it is no wonder that most cases involve the use of the 44 magnum. It's kind of like saying "people who swim are more likely to drown than people who don't swim." Well duh.
@@reachvictoria3386 Yes it is. I'm not saying the 44 isn't effective. I am more talking to the people that would listen to all of this and say "See? 44 magnum has 35 successful defenses and X caliber only has 7! Therefor the 44magnum is 5x more effective!" Because there absolutely are people who do that.
I was one of the 3 hunters in # 11, with my 2 sons and our guide when we came upon the grizzly sow and cub, we had time to dismount the horses, we all had bear spray but a strong wind in our face rendered the spray useless. Thankfully our guide was carrying his 44. Our friend was 3 minutes behind us with another guide who didn't believe in carrying a pistol. It's fortunate we came upon the bear first. The sow covered 100 yards faster than you could imagine once she saw us. Great story we have to remember but never care to experience it again. We carry glock 10mm now every time we'll in the outdoors.
Whoever that other " guide" was, he was an idiot. Bears are ALWAYS armed, people should be too. Unfortunately theres many so called guides who have NO business being " guides". And a guy w only a rifle is also not the sharpest tack in the box. Rifles get laid down or just out of reach & might as well be on the moon. A HANDGUN ON YOU ALL the time is instantly accessable.
@@tristantimothy1004 Sound comment about "guides". From a different country, where many are qualified by their organisation and little more than pompous booking agents. Who require fenced animals or seriously overpopulated wild populations, introduced invasive pests that they vigorously lobby to protect. Robust data records apparently show bear spray to be clearly more effective even when the human victim gets an own goal when up close. Which is little consolation if in the situation an ineffective handgun actually would confound statistics & be the most useful tool. Comparison with a good knife would be interested, odds on plenty of bears get handgunned that would never have got in range of a knife.
If you practice your draw, you’ll have more time than if you don’t. Any fight survivor knows you will likely get brutally injured while fighting for your life. Better to have the tools available to better your chances than to be fatalistic and give up. Russian river, AK early 2000’s: My brother was charged by massive griz, he ran, he survived. All the “ex-spurts” claim that will get you killed. Next week, same area, dude got charged, dropped down to play dead and got his face ripped off. You are in charge of your emergency. No one is coming to rescue you. First responders are second responders in reality. YOU are the first responder. Take action and do your very best to live thru it. Every single situation is different.
The guy who shot 6 times to scare off the bear, leaving him only 2 shots remaining. This guy sounds like he may be tittering on stupid. I may fire 2 warning shots, with 6 remaining, but vise versa?
I would also like to hear more about the ammunition used for the successful and unsuccessful defense usage against bears and also what type of bear was involved. In particular, I am curious about a manufacturer named G9. G9 uses lighter bullets so it has higher velocity, but these bullets are solid copper with spiraling flutes milled into them which creates massive permanent wound cavities and much deeper penetration than hollow points, FMJ or wadcutters.
@@sethtenreck9m42 and lessmith1409 offered suitable advice regarding this video's subject. A keyboard warrior is someone who insults others from the safety of their keyboard. You are the keyboard warrior here.
I do take bear encounters very serious. So far in about 14 encounters over 40 years, or so, I’ve been exceptionally lucky. I’ve kept calm, kept my thoughts neutral by pretending to be a rock, very cautiously backed out of the situation, never turned my back, and as soon as it was possible, I gave the bears a very wide path around me. These encounters were from 50 yards to over 400. But I took all serious. What I was always afraid of was a 1,800 lb. hungry, bear that just didn’t like my red hair, had recently had an idiot shoot it in the butt with an arrow that went in just far enough to make it mad, had lost a fight with another grizzly, and had found some cocaine a smuggler threw out of a plane, then the extremely mad bear that was high and myself came face to face . . ..
I can’t stand people who put animal life equal to or above human life. Those people disgust me. We have the right to go anywhere on the planet. This planet was made for us to explore and thrive. We should treat animals right and be wise when it comes to hunting, fishing and everything else…But any animal that becomes rogue or gets a taste for humans needs to be dealt with promptly. Human life is totally different and more important than animals. If you disagree… you are the kind of individual that I stay clear of.
Also I hate the people who say “it’s the animals territory” no it’s fucking not. It’s ours too. We have been in the wild since the fucking bears have too. It doesn’t just belong to the animals.
1972, North Eastern Wisconsin, Black bear begins tearing insulation from bottom of a cabin. Owner exits cabin and begins yelling at bear, Bear charges past owner taking a missed paw swipe as it goes by owner and climbs into a nearby tree. Cabin owners goes to base of tree and shoots bear one time with .22 LR High Speed Solid fired from an H&R 676 revolver, striking bear under chin. Bullet passes through back of the bears mouth, penetrates lower brain pan and enters bear brain. Bear dies instantly and drops out of tree. Shooter's Name was Jimmy Lochschmidt (RIP), he was a retired lumberjack, and I was nearby when this all took place.
It boils down to the most powerful caliber you can shoot accurately, and a pistol that is reliable. It need not be a .44 Magnum. Helpful and reassuring. Thank you.
Agreed. I think the most important thing is not using hollow points lol I personally carry 115gr Xtreme Penetrators in 357 Sig when I'm in bear country. With 16 rounds being at my disposal .... there's no way it couldn't get the job done.
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICSI like my Buffalo Bore 155 grain +P 40S&W out of my 5.3” barrel Glock 35 with 719 ft/lbs of energy better than the lighter .357 sig rounds anyday
I really enjoyed the article. I was hunting In 13:58 a tree stand& was charged by a black bear! It did climb the tree stopping @ the base. I was bow hunting & didn't have my pistol. Had it came up the tree I was strapped in. And your so right it happens so fast! You can believe I don't step in the woods now without my 10mm. Thanks for sharing the stories & details!
Glad to hear the 40 does well, I live and hunt in PA and the Smith & Wesson M&P 40 with Underwood Xtreme Penetrators has always been my go to black bear protection gun when I’m bow hunting.
Caliber isn't as important as being ready to shoot as early as possible, so you can get off 3 shots on the charge. Means having it loaded, yes chambered, and on your person in a way you can get at it lickety split (not in a backpack). If you hit it once or more on the charge chances are it'll be dissuaded. The bear can't tell from the sting whether you have a 38 or a big boy magnum.
Actually i read a story written by a bear hunting guide with 40 years experience who said he has seen bears shot with every handgun caliber imaginable. He said the bears react very similar with all calibers except a 44 mag. Keep in mind this was bear hunting, not bear defense.
the important thing is that you have it immediately usable and you train to put as many rounds into something close and moving fast as possible. Hunting encounters aren't really useful for reference, and a lot of times what people think are attacks are just the bear making a threat display to tell you to go away cause it doesn't really want to mess with you but wants you gone. The attacks that kill people almost always happen at very close range and are over very fast. Either the bear was hunting you and ambushed you, or you startled it in heavy brush way too close. Either way it's going to be ON TOP of you in about a couple seconds. The important thing is to be able to draw and put as many rounds into something approximately person sized sprinting at you in about 2 seconds. Hopefully one of them will be into something vital enough to stop it. As such the only thing that matters is finding a firearm that you can easily carry and fire rapidly with reasonable accuracy when your adrenaline is through the roof and there's no time for anything.
I highly recommend getting the proper ammo, regardless of what caliber you carry. I highly recommend the 100% copper bullets from Underwood Ammunition for various calibers. They have fluted tips, which cause over twice the size of wound channel that the same caliber and weight Hollow Point round makes. Next, I recommend the Hardcast lead round from Buffalo Bore in various calibers. These rounds from Buffalo Bore always deliver devastating penetration wounds, which are needed on a bear. I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong to recommend these , but I’m going on what I’ve seen. Best wishes to all who travel in Bear Territory!!!! Travel smart and carry a handgun in easy reach and ALWAYS CARRY WITH A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER!!!! You don’t have a minute when seconds count!!!! Bear spray is fine if the Bear which is charging has a taste for spicy food!!! Otherwise, A LOADED FIREARM SHOULD ALWAYS BE CARRIED IN BEAR TERRITORY!!!!! Stay Safe and most of all….. HAVE FUN!!!!
In the 60s my dad was attacked by a black bear (sow with a cub) and he was forced to kill it. Upper Peninsula of Michigan. This was with a Ruger Single Six (1st gen) 6.5" barrel with the .22 WMR cylinder in it. Extremely close range, shot placement was in the head b/t the eyes and the bear dropped immediately. He also confirmed that it was dead and not just stunned.
Phil Shoemaker is famous for stopping a brown bear with a 9mm handgun. No wasted shots. About which he said "I continued firing as fast as I could see vitals". The rate of fire was dictated by his acquisition of an appropriate target (and presumably his ability to acquire a sight picture, sufficient for his purpose). Not by how quickly he could pull the trigger in a race for the last bullet in the magazine.
You, Chuck, and LWR are still all doing great bringing us the good, real-world info on bear defense. There was one guy that made a huge stink on my 460 magnum bear video, saying he was a long-time guide in Alaska and that bullets would basically bounce off of the invincible super-bears if you used anything less than a long gun. Granted, I have zero experience myself, but I could never square what he said with how the ballistics compare in some handgun configurations with some rifle configurations. I understand those browns in Alaska are tough, but even in my 5 inch 460, I could push a 200 grain FTX almost to the velocities of a very sluggishly loaded 308. I understand the sectional densities are different, but I couldn't see them bouncing off a bear and a 308 would do just fine. I think most people agree that long guns do much better, but you can't rule out the effectiveness of a good handgun when you can't carry a long gun. I hope more studies like this will be done.
If you believe that liar mental nut job woke gay Chuke who in his own past videos admitted to being a Resident of Seattle Washington and comes only to Alaska to work on commercial fishing boats and also admitted to owning guns only for the past 10 years and being a wacko Mosin fan boy then you have serious mental issues yourself. Maybe you need to question why Alaskan professional brown bears guides like myself never use home defense handguns to hunt these dangerous bears when these handguns most all of them have less power than a 30-30 win and no one thinks a 30-30 is an Alaskan bear gun. Where in any CZcams video of Alaskan brown bear hunting is the guides or Clients using weak home defense handguns on brown bear hunts? wacko woke - gay mental nut job Chuke claims all guides in Alaska use handguns and 10 mm to hunt brown bears! The deer gun 308 doesn't even come close to an Alaskan brown bear's gun and that handgun you own sure the bullets may enter a bear but the 460 isn't an Alaskan brown bear gun at all and I would not gamble my life on any kind of handgun to save my life against these large and dangerous bears of Alaska. From guiding brown bear hunts from 1989 to fall 2019 I've seen 11 of the bears my clients shot with large rifles become a life and death for me and a client to put down for good these bears that would have killed any moron with a handgun. The clients are often so mentally disrupted from the danger we had with putting the bear down one of the things they say is why would anyone think a handgun is an AK brown bear gun after what happened today. My self and other guides I did work for we all tell clients to bring not less than a 338-win mag and the 375 magnums, and 416 magnums are preferred. How about asking lying Chuke to man up to his BS or show everyone all the brown bears he killed with weak home defense handguns to attempt to prove handguns are Alaskan brown bear hunting guns? Chuke is such a liar in his video's he has made claims of even 22 LR - Ruger 5.7 handguns - Ruger pocket pistol 380 ACP are used to hunt Alaskan brown bears - Chuke is a raving lying mental nut job !
I carry a 44 mag because my work has me walking through brush in bear country. I’ve lived in Alaska for 42 years. I’ve never had to shoot a bear. However I raced sled dogs for 22 years. And was involved in many moose attacks. 2 of the attacks I did not have a firearm. Was lucky the first time moose went through the team stomping and chased me off the trail. Miraculously only one dog had a very minor abrasion. The second time I clubbed the moose to death with my snowhook. I will give all glory to God on that one. The incident was recorded by Fish & Game, and I had to surrender the moose. It was only about 2 years old and was not in great health. As there was so much snow that year that the moose could not get enough to eat.
@@chuckh4077 I have never seen Bigfoot or any other strange creatures. But while running my dogs out in the middle of nowhere, I have seen the military do strange things in the sky at night. This was back in the 80’s. I think they were exercises where they would play hide & seek. Lights on and lights off.
@@runyourrace2finish910 as a hunter Myself I think it would be an ultimate challenge to hunt Bigfoot or unknown mosters. Imagine the fame of showing the world monsters exist.
9 mm and 38 Special are the only questionable calibers for bear defense, but are better than nothing. All the rest worked quite well. Shot placement is always important but also the number of shots which land on the bear. You made a good case for the .40/10 mm caliber. Good research and narrative. Thanks for another great video.
@adriannenu2320 that's what I shoot when in the woods with .45 fmj. Have some wad cutters and semi cutters dad made while living but don't carry them. Wanting to play around with the Buffalo bore or underwood with some tests. Be expensive tests.
Just a side note woods Brothers, 40 cal police trade in glocks, sigs and S&W automatic pisols can be had at rock bottom prices often between 2 and 300 dollars. Take advantage.
As a retired LEO, never felt out gunned with my Glock 22(.40 cal). If I could do my job and hit the target the Glock did it job and made the grass grow. Still have a Glock 20, thanks Chuke!
I own & carry 2 Glock 22 .40s; 1 a used gen 4 & 1 a newer gen 5 series MOS. I have a few after market barrels: 9mm .357sig for the gen 04. I had a factory Glock grey 20 10mm gen 4 for about 2.5yr. It had grey factory Cerakote. No problems, no jams. The Glock 20 worked fine.
Here is the #1 reason that is your best option: muscle memory, and you probably know this. Like you, I am retired LE. I have loaded, unloaded, holstered, unholstered, pointed, fondled, jostled and caressed a SigSauer P220/226 frame so many times, that when the SHTF, bullets just work and so do I. I don't hardly remember my sight picture or any other detail of a life threatening encounter. I'll take a practice over gear any day of the week. My .45ACP P220 shattered the skull of a charging boar, faceplanting it into the turf, and we pounced on it and slit its throat, which was smart because it wasn't all-the-way done. You take the shot you are given sometimes. We discovered at the pig roast the true extent of the damage that .45ACP round had done to the strongest part of its skull. It wasn't going to live to see another sunrise. Bear mauling's, I really half expect it could go down Revenant style, and any outcome with less injury is lucky. Better to see it first.
Whoa! THAT was an amazing video. Thanks so much for that. I am a long time fan of the .44Mag., 37 cases of using it against a bear attack.........ALL successful! My only regret is that my best friend Albert is no longer alive. He would have absolutely LOVED this video.
I live in Wyoming. I fish in the mountains and carry a 44 mag. When hunting I carry a 10mm plus my rifle. 44 mag is S&W 629 10mm is a XDM elite 4.5. In camp 12 gauge loaded with slugs. Plus hand guns and rifle. Only have had 2 bear encounters. LOL
Hello in Wyoming. I have read several accounts of old time cowboys and trappers killing big brown bears in Wyoming with a 44 winchester, or the 44-40. The old black powder loads as well as high velocity loads that were available then were much more powerful than todays cowboy action gaming loads. Nobody ever talks about it, but i think the old 44 winchester would take brown bear if hand loaded to peak performance.
As a Wyoming resident, when I spend time in the mountains I carry a 454 Casull Alaskan or a Ruger Vaquero Sheriff model with +P 45 Colt handloads. One of the last guys killed by a griz here hit the bruin full on in the face with spray, but it didn't stop her, and several studies suggest that bears who have been sprayed before sometimes aren't deterred by subsequent applications of OC. Never heard of one developing a tolerance for 300+ grain slugs....
My son was out walking the dog lastnight in the rain with his flashlight when he came within 25 feet of a big black bear with two cubs. The cubs went up a tree and he heard it and pointed his light and saw momma looking at him . His dog is 13 years old now and is a Saint Bernard so he backed out and got it in the house . He had his 9mm with him but no shots fired no need thank God . This was helpful info but he's switching up to his 40sw . Shot placement and staying cool is key. I told him to switch to his 40 just because I personally know the results. Glad to hear the 9mm will do the job I had doubts ive heard of dogs takeing many rounds of 9mm and still biteing people. Knowledge is power. Being ready is key.
I fly fish in NW Wyoming and I have all of those you mentioned with me as a choice. A G29 10mm w/KKM extended barrel, a S&W 629 shorty, Ruger SP101 3" and some spray just for the hell of it. Love your channel.
It was great to hear all the incidents and the hg cal used. My largest caliber hg is in 44 magnum but my frequent carry is in 10 mm for dangerous game or snipers on rooftop. Think Dallas TX or even the Vegas shooters. My home defense choice is a G22 in 40 S&W and a mounted weapon light. Unfortunately with CA restricted magazines.
@@beavisroadhog9629 You ever hear of what happened in Dallas? If a rooftop sniper is shooting I want my best chance to reach out in a CCW. Best way to stop an active shooter is to shoot back.
We had a test involving an army Kevlar vest. 22LR: stopped just inside nylon cover, 10mm 165g penetrators: made it 1/2 way through Kevlar, dented plastic chair, 10mm 220g hardcast: penetrated 3/4 through Kevlar, broke chair, 17HMR 16" barrel: penetrated Kevlar vest, chair, and left 1/4" dent in the safe used as a backstop. We were shocked. 10mm was a Glock 40 with 6" Lone Wolf barrel. Too bad I didn't have my .44 mag with me to add to the foolishness.
I am a bow hunter in the northeast not allowed to carry a side arm here in my state however I am in the process of moving North which allows you to carry a side arm while hunting.
I have a hiking friend who always goes along with me. My Rugar single action, 7.5 inch barrel chambered in.45 colt. It's made to Founder a 1200 lb horse with 1 shot. It's a being safer than sorry.
The caliber of the weapon is one thing but the choice of bullet is in my opinion more important. When in bear country put away the defense and hallow point ammunition and go with FMJ , Ball or, soft point rounds. Penetration and bone breaking rounds are required there. Don’t use rounds that are designed to fragment or stop because you do not want to give a bear a flesh wound. I carry a S@W .357 Mag 6in barrel double action with target trigger and sight. I included Jacketed soft point above and the reason is that although it is a fragment style round it does both well. Penetration and fragmentation are good however FMJ or ball ammunition might be the better choice especially with smaller caliber weapons.
Dude, if your going to be in bear country, use BEAR ROUNDS. Your not hunting Bambi's out here & soft slugs just explode & are USELESS. WFNHCs or copper solids. Period.
I had an opportnity to speak at length with a bow hunter who was attacked at night by a black bear. He had chased it away from his tent twice after midnight by banging pots, but at 2 a.m. the bear seemed intent on coming right in. He shot it in the chest 3 times at about ten feet with a 1911 in .45ACP. The bear turned and made it about 20 yds then fell dead. In the morning he called the Div Wildlife and he was packing up his camp when I rode by on my ATV. He was obviously shaken, as anyone would be, but unharmed. This area has always had a big bear presence due to sloppy campers and a single restaurant putting out trash or garbage.
I’m in Idaho, 90% of the time its a G29 w/ Underwood extreme penetrators carried in a Hill People Gear chest pack or Gunfighters Kenai. Other 10% (higher risk time/place) is a S&W 629 also w/ Underwood in a Kenai
Fake news, the bears were obviously trying to greet the people and give them bears hugs and were shot. Bears love people and like to invite people to diner and people shoot them. 😂😂
Thanks for the info! Handgun bullets, especially out of revolvers(wide meplat), perform differently then rifle rounds, and it regularly gets overlooked. Its fun to hear good stats.
Great video! You might think about doing another video of all the cases wherein people are maimed/killed by wildlife because they didn't have a firearm. In Canada about 4 people/yr are killed and it's illegal to carry a pistol.
As a 44mag shooter you will get addicted to it.I cast a 290 gr. hard wide meplat bullet that is an absolute a knock down drag out bullet.Have fun with your new 44.
Over 20 years ago I started loading 320 gr heat treated solids for my .44 mag and they were unstoppable but not nearly as unstoppable as the 440 gr heat treated solids I loaded for my .475 Linebaugh. The Linebaugh has about twice the power of the .44 mag but without the ridiculous weight of those X-Frame S&Ws.
I have an XD 40 subcompact It was the only thing I took in the woods when I'm down South, they have black bear, coyote, and Ferrell hogs. I move over to the Glock 27 Gen 5 and I use underwood extreme penetrators and Buffalo Bore
I love my G27 in black bear ( and lion) country. It's fitted out with a G23 mag & x-Grip, and running BB hard cast and or the extreme penetraters. " Glock 27X -or- Short Slide G23". So versatile. Occasionally a .357 sig barrel swap with the XP's.
Like the story of killing the 500 lb Boar Griz with a 22 LR cal 9 shot Harrington 939 pistol in 1962 Montana. Chuck had tripped and Boar rose up on hind legs with a steel trap on a front paw over Chuck. He fired all 9 shots at close range missing some, other 22 LR bounced off boar's skull. The Kill shot went thru the beast's eyeball into brain killing him dead. Chuck settled down after his first few shots & composed his aim, did not let panic rise. Very tuff to do.
I had a large boar black bear break into my 12x20 ft. Cabin at 2am 1 shot from Glock 30 .45acp at 3 feet. Ball ammo. Head on through the chest impact center mass. Bear ran back out died 50 feet away. In my opinion, the best weapon depends on the situation and the capabilities of who is using it.
40 s&w 200 grain hardcast is plenty for brown bear heck regular 165 grain Speer lawman fmj would be enough for black bear as well it passes through 3 full 16 inches of clear gel
I read an article not many years ago in Sports Afield about using revolvers in .357 and .44 Magnum for bear defense in Grizzly country. I don't remember the source of the data the author used in article. The author claimed that the .357 Magnum had a better track record than the .44 Magnum in stopping attacks by grizzlies. The author surmised that perhaps it was due to faster follow-up shots with the .357 in contrast to slower follow-up shots with the .44. Incidentally, I also read an online article stating that the Danish Border Police who are assigned to Greenland and patrol immense distances in extremely remote and inhospitable terrain are issued Glock 20's in 10mm for bear defense. Supposedly the 10mm Glock has served them well as a sidearm capable of taking a polar bear.
I live over by Mt. CARDIGAN. I have bears using the game trail 60 feet behind my house. Not unusual to see fresh scat, and a few busted Burch's have been designated their facebook posts, rubbing their hair off against the broken tree. In years past we have had some rough summers, bears breakin into my shed, wandering in and out of my yard almost daily. My Rottweiler Teddy kept all that in check for a while, when he fought one in front of the shed, had his chest ripped open but he was on guard and cared more about making sure it didnt come back. He died 2 years back on Valentines day. He had gotten sick and I didnt know how to cure him. The bears here still remember Teddy, they have been leaving us alone. I do like them. I think there is a den 200 yards away near a creek out back. Live and let live. But I need to be ready if that narrative changes. Perhaps I should get another Rotty? My 14 year old female Sheppard just likes to chase leaves and bark at turkeys. I love her with all my heart.
I read an article 20 years ago where someone had written in to a gun magazine asking what was the best handgun for defense in brown bear country. The author called the Alaska DNR in order to be able to give a qualified answer. Supposedly the Alaska DNR told him they had no records of anyone successfully defending themselves against an Alaskan brown bear with ANY type of handgun. Sometimes they killed the bear, but it died after killing the shooter. That article was written over 20 years ago. I don't think bears have changed much in the last 2 or 3 decades.
Yea, I agree on the 40. It would probably go deeper and do better than the 38 or 9mm. The full power 10mm heavy hard cast or all copper bullets are some of the best choices with a good powerfull enough round and with a good magazine capacity. Best of both worlds !
@@blueduck9409 As many point out, a handgun is NOT the greatest choice compared to a long gun. With that said, I think with proper loads, there's not that much difference in efficacy between calibers and the study supports this
@@northernninety7 I was testing 10mm and 45 ACP after being led to believe there's a huge difference. I found that depending on loads, they are actually quite close with the 45 actually outperforming the 10 in a number of tests I conducted (water jugs, cinder blocks etc) and I'm now convinced that caliber is NOT the end all be all and the study supports this.
What's crazy and is even noted in that article is how many of those stories about successful use of a gun in self defense against a grizzly are suppressed and not put into the statistics about spray vs gun
Years ago I had a Para P14 converted to 45 Super. Have never had a need to use it, but it gives me 15 rounds of fairly high-performance large diameter bullets.
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures I also added a tungsten guide rod and captured spring in my Glock 40 M.O.S. 10 mm and also added a KKM barrel so i can use 220 grain solid lead rds!
Great video. Not a hunter but camp and hike a lot in the SW and have read of several bear attacks in CO recently though have not encountered one myself in over 40 yrs. Carry a .357, sometimes .38 P & sprays.
Good video, Chuke I’m definitely saving this one as a reference. I hike the backcountry in Maine, lots of black bears there and big ones, too. I bring a Ruger Redhawk in .44 mag that has a 5.5” barrel. Use primarily Underwood 255 gr hard cast Keith Elmer style wadcutters. It’s powerful but tame enough for me to shoot continuously. Might want to check that out with your new .44 mag as it is tamer than the Buffalo Bore and Grizzly rounds I also have, but still does significant damage. Old-time woodsmen say any gun that can shoot a .40 cal bullet (or greater) going 1000 fps (or faster) will take any bear in the woods. Like you I would say shot placement counts for a lot, too. Fortnunately I have never had an encounter even seeing fresh poop right along the trail but I will say that wakes me up faster than a whole pot of coffee. Be safe.
I had to use my Glock 17 on a black bear on my buddies property here in Tennessee near the smokies. Had the underwood extreme penatrators and there coated hard cast.
@@MyCatCarriesAGlock . My buddy and I were out working on his fence, he has a farm with cows, chickens etc so he's had problems with them before there was a sow that kept coming and going we didn't think to much about it then we seen she had cubs idk if it was the sound of us driving fence post or what but she started running at us and I shot it 3 times it took off we found it about 100 yards away
@@Highgear145 . Na man I've heard stories as well but never witnessed any. I hike the smokies alot there's definitely so weird stuff up there. I've heard stuff that sounds like some kind of animal but nothing like any known species of the area
I also think a 357 magnum with proper bullet selection is a fine choice. The Sierra 158 grain JSP bullet is ideal. It might actually be a better choice than a 44 magnum for most people. If I'm going somewhere that holds the possibility of running into a grizzly or a polar bear I want the Ruger/Marlin lever action Trapper model chambered in 4570 government.
I took a bear behavior and firearms class taught by the late Joe Nava. Incredible person and an incredible class. That knowledge has saved my life twice. He swore a .38 special and bear spray was all he ever carried for bear in Alaska. His absolute confidence in that caliber and higher we were taught to find a firearm that we were the most comfortable shooting. It was taught that if you had to shoot a bear it was 90% of the time your negligence that led to the attack. Be aware of your surroundings, be loud, be in pairs and wear something with a strong scent so they can smell you. I work in close proximity of bears most of the Alaskan summers and frequently have bears actually make noise to alert us given we are also loud. Seems mutual they dont want to interact with us much either lol. Only bears that have been curious or that have approached were young black bears and shouting and a false charge on my part has allways made them turn tail not to be seen again. Great video and excellent information. Thank you for making a great video!
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The photo of the bear at 8:50 is definitely scary! Not your cute friendly Yogi Bear type.
sweden doesn't have polar bears. why don't you make a video about the lions and tigers in sweden
Sure, a handgun is more better than a penknife, but you'd be nuts to rely on one rather than a rifle. As the saying goes, use enough gun.
Survivor Bias. What about the hunters that shot the bear and became bear food or even worse had a gun but couldn't get to it fast enough. That's what I wanna see vs the successful hunters
The problem here is that the writers have no clue on how bear attacks unfold. I do. I was mauled over twenty years ago on Kodiak, and following that I researched every bear mauling where I could get actual details on the attack itself. I wrote a book on the subject (A Kodiak Bear Mauling - Amazon). Yes, of course you can kill a bear with any respectable handgun while hunting, it's been done many times. In an actual attack you won't have time to draw a handgun, much less place an accurate shot simply because brown/grizzly attacks don't happen the way Hollywood movies portray them. When grizzlies attack it's almost always a case of a hunter or hiker approaching a bear that's lying up along a trail. In most cases they simply glide away and you never even know a bear was there. Sometimes they puff up and give you a terrifying threat display. Threat displays are not a prelude to an attack, in fact just the opposite, he's already decided to scare you off rather than maul you. Simply heed the warning and back off. More rarely, they hear/smell you coming and move downwind (they don't know we can't smell them) in a half circle, creep in to 25 yards or so and sprint in at 25-30 mph. They will be on you in within one to two seconds after that sprint begins. Brown/grizzlies are ambush predators. That's how they operate and that's how at least 95% of brown/grizzly maulings occur. They don't attack you as food, it's simply a space thing. You got too close. Why? My theory is that since every other animal in the wild will smell that a bear has used that same trail and turn away, our approach right through that same scent patch is seen as a challenge. Bears are the dominant species in wild country and when we challenge them (even though we do so unwittingly) they will sometimes take us down as punishment. It's that simple, and it happens so quickly that handguns or even rifles are generally useless. My rifle was in my hands because I was stalking some blacktail along a thick ledge that I had viewed from below. The bear came in so quickly I was unable to fully raise my rifle before the animal was inside it and flattened me. The bear ran me over, the rifle went flying and then it turned around and worked me over, badly. The only effective bear defense against brown/grizzlies is to never go into thick country where they lie up during the day. If you hunt, stay up on the bare ridges and glass from above. The same for hikers, stay in open country. Brown/grizzly bears don't stalk or hunt humans, they only respond to what they think is a challenge by humans. Black bears are different, though they are much less likely to engage a human. When they do it's for food and they'll generally push and test you for a while before coming in. A heavy handgun will easily suffice and you'll almost certainly have time to use it against a predatory black bear. If you are in brown/grizzly country carry a lever .45/70 or a shotgun w/ slugs (if you're not already carrying a hunting rifle). If you are hunting have 1x6 optic and keep it dialed down to 1X until you need higher magnification. The typical 3X9 or 4X12 leaves you blind at close ranges. And again, your best defense is to stay on the bare ridges no matter what you're hunting. Bears are in thickets most of the daylight hours, just stay out of there.
Wow. If i ever run into you, im going to buy you a beer!
Hey thanks for the comment! That makes a lot of sense too about not much you can do when they come running that fast. I've heard that before. And also a great idea to stay in the open country!
Great comment from real life experience. Thanks for sharing! I completely agree, though I wouldn’t doubt if a few of those short ambushes over the years have been with the intention to eat us when it comes to grizzly. But the territorial scent theory seems to make sense for the vast majority of those attacks. More and more of these type of encounters have me convinced to maintain at least 20-30 yard of visibility around you as you’re walking through the thicker stuff. Sometimes that’s just not possible. For those times it’s not, I’d have a gun in hand at the ready. Even so, you just never know how much time that bear will give you
@@fisherdave9192 Yeah, brown/grizzlies sometimes do eat people, it's just not typical.
I have been charged by black bear twice. Yes, they are faster than people think. You may get a couple shots off, and they better be heavy caliber. There will be no 15 round mag dumps. Be aware and careful.
Just this past week there was a fatal bear attack in Prescott Valley, AZ (a very pretty area in between Flagstaff and Phoenix). An adult male black bear attacked, killed, dragged off into the woods, and partially consumed a 63 year old man who was just relaxing in his yard. One of his neighbors heard him screaming and killed this bear with his rifle, but it was too late.
Here in southern AZ we have black bears, mountain lions, coyotes, javelinas, plus rattle snakes, gila monsters, venomous spiders, scorpions, etc. We've actually had confirmed sightings, some on video, of jaguar, in the mountains east of Tuscon.
I always have my EDC on my person, wherever I am, at home or otherwise.
Stay safe.
Wow! Scary. Yes always stay prepared!
Jaguar .!!! That’s insane!
Wow crazy!
@@davidneal6920 indeed!!
That was crazy, AZGF used to dump their “camp” bears near Young Arizona, but they said that bear was not familiar to them and was a healthy animal
Having personally been involved in a Grizzly bear charge, I remember VERY CLEARLY one very important detail. The speed at which it happened. Unreal. Mind blowing how time suddenly stands still and everything is happening like its underwater and your body is suddenly more of a threat than the bear because nothing wants to move quickly, nothing is working the way its supposed to.
And one more thing I remember clearly now, if your form of protection isnt instantly avalable, and you havnt practised drawing under extreme speed and stress, well, your probably fucked.
Train accordingly Gents.
My on duty shooting experiences back up what you’re saying here.
Exactly sir! I have personally been charged by a black bear and you are right about the speed at which it happens. Mine ended up close enough to touch with the barrel of my rifle. I had a hard time sleeping that night.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct. All this jawing about this and that firearm. Bear goes from 0-30 in about two seconds and your brain just can't get it together quick enough.
Or have a kbar knife as backup. Start stabbing away when the bear grabs you.
@@chuckh4077 With all your might!! Go adrenalin, go!!!
Warning shots are hard for me to justify...if I get in a situation where I need that last round...that guy that fired 6 warning shots with an 8 round magazine is a crazy SOB
Exactly!!
Yeah I would have warned it with the shots to the face, then proceed to try the kill shots.
That is pushing it pretty close!!
Amen brother !!!
I’m the guy who can be heard across a crowded stadium so in my case a warning shot is a wasted opportunity.🙃
They didn't ask me, 2017 California, xd40 4", bear charged at kids in camp, I had split second to respond, shot a brown bear, 4 shots at 45 yards, bear was done 3 feet away from a 9 year old girl. 3 out of 4 hits broadside from bears left. Game wardens said lung and heart hit, also a front left paw. Kids were put to their cabins for the rest of the day.
Not bears, but alligators where I am. It happens like this: you are walking an overgrown levee or high ground near the water’s edge, maybe 7-8 feet away. The marsh grass is way taller than you, but you are on a 4-5 foot wide trail. You can clearly see where the gators climb in and out of the water on their favorite paths. You come up on a pile of vegetation and immediately recognize it as a nest. You hear the charge and in 1/2 a second catch the movement. It comes at you blindingly fast closing that 6-7 foot distance in less than a second. It has closed on you before you can even get your hand down to your side. You are out of reaction time. Your adrenal gland has squeezed every bit of juice into your bloodstream to give you the ape like reflex to jump back, hopefully find your footing, and RUN, sheer panic terror run. You know it will stop after only ten feet, but that means nothing in this moment. You survive, you stop. Your neck and temples are pounding matching your heartbeat. You know you’re a hardened combat vet. You know how fast and deadly you are with your pistol. It means nothing in that moment. You are merely prey that escaped, and you know it.
Gators are no joke, but unless they can immediately drag you into water after the bite, I suspect you have more opportunity to do SOMETHING with a weapon than if a bear charges you. Even black bears can flatten a person on a charge no problem, in a way where you may not be capable of using either arm. Gators and crocs are still very dangerous though.
Even humans can be very dangerous when rushing with a knife inside 20 yards. Bears are larger, comically stronger, and faster in that run-up. And when they hit, they're bringing more force than professional NFL linemen in addition to the means to tear you apart. Definitely preferable to not have that running up on you.
Having grown up in Montana, I would be skeptical about venturing out with anything less than my .357 but I think this highlights that any gun is better than no gun at all.
Agreed. Have only lived in MT for about 15 years, but I live in bear country, as in the neighbors have to chase bears away from their dumpster. I wear a gun everywhere, at least a 22. No sense in bringing non-lethal weapons to a fight to the death.
Yup. Just do it John Wick style. Head shot
Right above you in Saskatchewan & Alberta. Agreed.
I find a .357 Magnum to be ideal, but I have ZERO issues with a .45 ACP as my sidearm in the wilderness (Using basic ball/FMJ).
@@jamesk954 not just one. But two. See " last man standing " movie for details.
Shot placement is king.
It's equally important as is bullet construction.
Hollow points are a no-no against bears. It doesn't penetrate deep enough to get to the vital organs or penetrate the thick bones of the bear skulls and rib cages.
Not if you miss.
Unfortunately from what I've seen in most cases, precise shot placement (with the head being the absolute best bet) is next to impossible, due to not only short distance attacks ... but bears often move very quickly and sporadically when attacking.
That and the fear/adrenaline rush seem to really take a toll on aim - hence why many of these reports involve numerous shots.
I was one of the clients for the #11 story. SEP 2016. We were bow hunting for Elk in Ennis, MT, and were headed back to our truck after hunting most of the day a few miles in. We were on horseback, and thankfully, the guide was leading my dad and brother and I. We were very aware it was bear country and remained cognizant of our surroundings. However, when we ran into the Sow and cub, we were only 5-10 min hike to our truck, so I kinda let my guard down and was simply enjoying the scenery from the horseback. I was the last in line. Thankfully, the guide was in front and saw the grizzly sow about 100 yards away- she and the cub were right off the trail we were on. Thank God he was paying attention - kept us from potentially getting ambushed! He motioned for us to stop and get off our horses, which i believe was the right move - no telling how dangerous it would have been if the horses freaked out, it's not like my dad, brother or myself are experienced horseman. So we got off our horse, the guide yelled out, "Hey Bear!" - trying to scare it off. Afterall, there were 4 of us and 4 horses. That bear couldn't have given two licks how many of us there were. She stood up for a few seconds, dropped down and raced towards us. The guide stated shooting when she was about 70 yards away. She was running so fast that i could see the dust kick up behind her from the bullet. 3 shots i saw like this. Finally, the 4th shot - from about 20-30 yards away, she stopped in her tracks and shook for a second. She then made a hard 90° turn and ran up a hill with her yearling cub following closely behind. The guide reloaded his 44, we got back on our horses and made it back to the trailhead. Called it in to the game warden as soon as we had service. They never found blood. The amazing thing is that the horses never spooked. They were trained right and were used to gunfire, but by the grace of God, they never saw the bear changing strait for us. That could have been just, if not more dangerous for my dad and i, who would have been trampled haha. A couple weeks later, the gentleman Todd Orr was scouting in that area and was mauled a couple of times hy a grizzly sow. I've never met Todd, but I have always wanted to tell him that it was probably the same pissed off bear with a 44 slug lodged in her chest lol! Chuke, immediately after this incident, i purchased a Glock 20 and got some spicy underwood ammo! Got the wife the G29.
Guess what no one can carry a pistol in Canada,not since the 1950s,so theyre out of luck&wardens seem to care less!😮
I like that most of these cases are with the venerable .44 mag. Especially, 37 successful times. It says a lot about it.
Absolutely! Hard to beat a good 44!
It's the user bias. People have been told for decades that they need a 44 magnum for bear, so that's what they use. And when 95% of people are using 44 magnum for bear defense, it is no wonder that most cases involve the use of the 44 magnum.
It's kind of like saying "people who swim are more likely to drown than people who don't swim." Well duh.
@@KurNorockstill, 100% success rate is pretty convincing.
@@reachvictoria3386 Yes it is. I'm not saying the 44 isn't effective. I am more talking to the people that would listen to all of this and say "See? 44 magnum has 35 successful defenses and X caliber only has 7! Therefor the 44magnum is 5x more effective!"
Because there absolutely are people who do that.
I was one of the 3 hunters in # 11, with my 2 sons and our guide when we came upon the grizzly sow and cub, we had time to dismount the horses, we all had bear spray but a strong wind in our face rendered the spray useless. Thankfully our guide was carrying his 44. Our friend was 3 minutes behind us with another guide who didn't believe in carrying a pistol. It's fortunate we came upon the bear first. The sow covered 100 yards faster than you could imagine once she saw us. Great story we have to remember but never care to experience it again. We carry glock 10mm now every time we'll in the outdoors.
why did the guide not believe in carrying a pistol? Did he think bear spray was preferable?
@richXPT707
Yes. Had encountered bears before and the spray had worked
Whoever that other " guide" was, he was an idiot. Bears are ALWAYS armed, people should be too. Unfortunately theres many so called guides who have NO business being " guides". And a guy w only a rifle is also not the sharpest tack in the box. Rifles get laid down or just out of reach & might as well be on the moon. A HANDGUN ON YOU ALL the time is instantly accessable.
@@tristantimothy1004 Sound comment about "guides". From a different country, where many are qualified by their organisation and little more than pompous booking agents. Who require fenced animals or seriously overpopulated wild populations, introduced invasive pests that they vigorously lobby to protect.
Robust data records apparently show bear spray to be clearly more effective even when the human victim gets an own goal when up close. Which is little consolation if in the situation an ineffective handgun actually would confound statistics & be the most useful tool.
Comparison with a good knife would be interested, odds on plenty of bears get handgunned that would never have got in range of a knife.
If you practice your draw, you’ll have more time than if you don’t. Any fight survivor knows you will likely get brutally injured while fighting for your life. Better to have the tools available to better your chances than to be fatalistic and give up.
Russian river, AK early 2000’s: My brother was charged by massive griz, he ran, he survived. All the “ex-spurts” claim that will get you killed. Next week, same area, dude got charged, dropped down to play dead and got his face ripped off.
You are in charge of your emergency. No one is coming to rescue you. First responders are second responders in reality. YOU are the first responder. Take action and do your very best to live thru it. Every single situation is different.
These are truly fascinating chuke. Anytime you find these cases/studies please do share them! Love it.
Will do thanks!
The guy who shot 6 times to scare off the bear, leaving him only 2 shots remaining. This guy sounds like he may be tittering on stupid.
I may fire 2 warning shots, with 6 remaining, but vise versa?
Yep that's cutting it close...
I would also like to hear more about the ammunition used for the successful and unsuccessful defense usage against bears and also what type of bear was involved. In particular, I am curious about a manufacturer named G9. G9 uses lighter bullets so it has higher velocity, but these bullets are solid copper with spiraling flutes milled into them which creates massive permanent wound cavities and much deeper penetration than hollow points, FMJ or wadcutters.
44 Magnum is the gold standard for bear defense. Can’t beat the reliability and power. However, shot placement is always most important.
Hard cast ammo works best on bears.
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@@sethtenrec You don't have to be a Physicist to know which way is up.
@@sethtenreck9m42 and lessmith1409 offered suitable advice regarding this video's subject.
A keyboard warrior is someone who insults others from the safety of their keyboard.
You are the keyboard warrior here.
@@mig50cc OK, I am a keyboard warrior, and they are weenies in their mommy’s basement. 👍👍👍
I do take bear encounters very serious. So far in about 14 encounters over 40 years, or so, I’ve been exceptionally lucky.
I’ve kept calm, kept my thoughts neutral by pretending to be a rock, very cautiously backed out of the situation, never turned my back, and as soon as it was possible, I gave the bears a very wide path around me.
These encounters were from 50 yards to over 400. But I took all serious.
What I was always afraid of was a 1,800 lb. hungry, bear that just didn’t like my red hair, had recently had an idiot shoot it in the butt with an arrow that went in just far enough to make it mad, had lost a fight with another grizzly, and had found some cocaine a smuggler threw out of a plane, then the extremely mad bear that was high and myself came face to face . . ..
I can’t stand people who put animal life equal to or above human life. Those people disgust me. We have the right to go anywhere on the planet. This planet was made for us to explore and thrive. We should treat animals right and be wise when it comes to hunting, fishing and everything else…But any animal that becomes rogue or gets a taste for humans needs to be dealt with promptly. Human life is totally different and more important than animals. If you disagree… you are the kind of individual that I stay clear of.
AMEN!!!!
Thank tmyou so much. Fingers are sore for stating the same. They are evil, bottom line. I love my dog but not over my neighbor.
Laws really mess stuff up. If any animal comes at me, I should be able to kill it and harvest the meat
Also I hate the people who say “it’s the animals territory” no it’s fucking not. It’s ours too. We have been in the wild since the fucking bears have too. It doesn’t just belong to the animals.
This is one of the stupidest takes I’ve seen on the internet. Lol leave it to internet liberals to work in absolutes.
1972, North Eastern Wisconsin, Black bear begins tearing insulation from bottom of a cabin. Owner exits cabin and begins yelling at bear, Bear charges past owner taking a missed paw swipe as it goes by owner and climbs into a nearby tree. Cabin owners goes to base of tree and shoots bear one time with .22 LR High Speed Solid fired from an H&R 676 revolver, striking bear under chin. Bullet passes through back of the bears mouth, penetrates lower brain pan and enters bear brain. Bear dies instantly and drops out of tree. Shooter's Name was Jimmy Lochschmidt (RIP), he was a retired lumberjack, and I was nearby when this all took place.
It boils down to the most powerful caliber you can shoot accurately, and a pistol that is reliable. It need not be a .44 Magnum. Helpful and reassuring. Thank you.
Absolutely! Thank you for the comment!
It would be really interesting to know what ammo they were using in each instance.
Agreed. I think the most important thing is not using hollow points lol
I personally carry 115gr Xtreme Penetrators in 357 Sig when I'm in bear country. With 16 rounds being at my disposal .... there's no way it couldn't get the job done.
Any ammo that functions I personally would not use hollow points for a bear
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS I fired my 357 Sig last weekend that round is unbelievably accurate I was grouping at 25 yards without even trying
@@Highgear145
Agreed. I get outstanding groupings with the 115gr Xp's. And being barrier-blind .... what's not to love?
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICSI like my Buffalo Bore 155 grain +P 40S&W out of my 5.3” barrel Glock 35 with 719 ft/lbs of energy better than the lighter .357 sig rounds anyday
It really makes me comfortable seeing how many of these happened in Wyoming
I really enjoyed the article. I was hunting In 13:58 a tree stand& was charged by a black bear! It did climb the tree stopping @ the base. I was bow hunting & didn't have my pistol. Had it came up the tree I was strapped in. And your so right it happens so fast! You can believe I don't step in the woods now without my 10mm. Thanks for sharing the stories & details!
Glad to hear the 40 does well, I live and hunt in PA and the Smith & Wesson M&P 40 with Underwood Xtreme Penetrators has always been my go to black bear protection gun when I’m bow hunting.
Caliber isn't as important as being ready to shoot as early as possible, so you can get off 3 shots on the charge. Means having it loaded, yes chambered, and on your person in a way you can get at it lickety split (not in a backpack). If you hit it once or more on the charge chances are it'll be dissuaded. The bear can't tell from the sting whether you have a 38 or a big boy magnum.
Good point!!
Actually i read a story written by a bear hunting guide with 40 years experience who said he has seen bears shot with every handgun caliber imaginable. He said the bears react very similar with all calibers except a 44 mag. Keep in mind this was bear hunting, not bear defense.
the important thing is that you have it immediately usable and you train to put as many rounds into something close and moving fast as possible. Hunting encounters aren't really useful for reference, and a lot of times what people think are attacks are just the bear making a threat display to tell you to go away cause it doesn't really want to mess with you but wants you gone. The attacks that kill people almost always happen at very close range and are over very fast. Either the bear was hunting you and ambushed you, or you startled it in heavy brush way too close. Either way it's going to be ON TOP of you in about a couple seconds. The important thing is to be able to draw and put as many rounds into something approximately person sized sprinting at you in about 2 seconds. Hopefully one of them will be into something vital enough to stop it. As such the only thing that matters is finding a firearm that you can easily carry and fire rapidly with reasonable accuracy when your adrenaline is through the roof and there's no time for anything.
I highly recommend getting the proper ammo, regardless of what caliber you carry.
I highly recommend the 100% copper bullets from Underwood Ammunition for various calibers. They have fluted tips, which cause over twice the size of wound channel that the same caliber and weight Hollow Point round makes.
Next, I recommend the Hardcast lead round from Buffalo Bore in various calibers. These rounds from Buffalo Bore always deliver devastating penetration wounds, which are needed on a bear.
I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong to recommend these , but I’m going on what I’ve seen.
Best wishes to all who travel in Bear Territory!!!! Travel smart and carry a handgun in easy reach and ALWAYS CARRY WITH A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER!!!! You don’t have a minute when seconds count!!!! Bear spray is fine if the Bear which is charging has a taste for spicy food!!! Otherwise, A LOADED FIREARM SHOULD ALWAYS BE CARRIED IN BEAR TERRITORY!!!!!
Stay Safe and most of all….. HAVE FUN!!!!
In the 60s my dad was attacked by a black bear (sow with a cub) and he was forced to kill it. Upper Peninsula of Michigan. This was with a Ruger Single Six (1st gen) 6.5" barrel with the .22 WMR cylinder in it. Extremely close range, shot placement was in the head b/t the eyes and the bear dropped immediately. He also confirmed that it was dead and not just stunned.
If you can, email this information to Dean Weingarten at isherllc@gmail.com
Phil Shoemaker is famous for stopping a brown bear with a 9mm handgun. No wasted shots. About which he said "I continued firing as fast as I could see vitals". The rate of fire was dictated by his acquisition of an appropriate target (and presumably his ability to acquire a sight picture, sufficient for his purpose). Not by how quickly he could pull the trigger in a race for the last bullet in the magazine.
As Col. Cooper used to enjoy saying: "You can't miss fast enough to win!" 😉
Underrated comment
You, Chuck, and LWR are still all doing great bringing us the good, real-world info on bear defense. There was one guy that made a huge stink on my 460 magnum bear video, saying he was a long-time guide in Alaska and that bullets would basically bounce off of the invincible super-bears if you used anything less than a long gun. Granted, I have zero experience myself, but I could never square what he said with how the ballistics compare in some handgun configurations with some rifle configurations. I understand those browns in Alaska are tough, but even in my 5 inch 460, I could push a 200 grain FTX almost to the velocities of a very sluggishly loaded 308. I understand the sectional densities are different, but I couldn't see them bouncing off a bear and a 308 would do just fine. I think most people agree that long guns do much better, but you can't rule out the effectiveness of a good handgun when you can't carry a long gun. I hope more studies like this will be done.
Thanks for the comment, and I agree! Interesting that a 460 is approaching a 308 too!
A 460 magnum Carrys the same energy at 100 yards as my 308 has at the muzzle
Always bear (Heh, Heh) in mind that half of humanity is full of dog-dirt.
If you believe that liar mental nut job woke gay Chuke who in his own past videos admitted to being a Resident of Seattle Washington and comes only to Alaska to work on commercial fishing boats and also admitted to owning guns only for the past 10 years and being a wacko Mosin fan boy then you have serious mental issues yourself.
Maybe you need to question why Alaskan professional brown bears guides like myself never use home defense handguns to hunt these dangerous bears when these handguns most all of them have less power than a 30-30 win and no one thinks a 30-30 is an Alaskan bear gun.
Where in any CZcams video of Alaskan brown bear hunting is the guides or Clients using weak home defense handguns on brown bear hunts? wacko woke - gay mental nut job Chuke claims all guides in Alaska use handguns and 10 mm to hunt brown bears!
The deer gun 308 doesn't even come close to an Alaskan brown bear's gun and that handgun you own sure the bullets may enter a bear but the 460 isn't an Alaskan brown bear gun at all and I would not gamble my life on any kind of handgun to save my life against these large and dangerous bears of Alaska.
From guiding brown bear hunts from 1989 to fall 2019 I've seen 11 of the bears my clients shot with large rifles become a life and death for me and a client to put down for good these bears that would have killed any moron with a handgun.
The clients are often so mentally disrupted from the danger we had with putting the bear down one of the things they say is why would anyone think a handgun is an AK brown bear gun after what happened today.
My self and other guides I did work for we all tell clients to bring not less than a 338-win mag and the 375 magnums, and 416 magnums are preferred.
How about asking lying Chuke to man up to his BS or show everyone all the brown bears he killed with weak home defense handguns to attempt to prove handguns are Alaskan brown bear hunting guns?
Chuke is such a liar in his video's he has made claims of even 22 LR - Ruger 5.7 handguns - Ruger pocket pistol 380 ACP are used to hunt Alaskan brown bears - Chuke is a raving lying mental nut job !
That is gently put, but 100% true.@@FrankMuchnok
I carry a 44 mag because my work has me walking through brush in bear country. I’ve lived in Alaska for 42 years. I’ve never had to shoot a bear. However I raced sled dogs for 22 years. And was involved in many moose attacks. 2 of the attacks I did not have a firearm. Was lucky the first time moose went through the team stomping and chased me off the trail. Miraculously only one dog had a very minor abrasion. The second time I clubbed the moose to death with my snowhook. I will give all glory to God on that one. The incident was recorded by Fish & Game, and I had to surrender the moose. It was only about 2 years old and was not in great health. As there was so much snow that year that the moose could not get enough to eat.
Have you ever seen Bigfoot in Alaska? Or any strange creatures?
@@chuckh4077 I have never seen Bigfoot or any other strange creatures. But while running my dogs out in the middle of nowhere, I have seen the military do strange things in the sky at night. This was back in the 80’s. I think they were exercises where they would play hide & seek. Lights on and lights off.
@@runyourrace2finish910 as a hunter Myself I think it would be an ultimate challenge to hunt Bigfoot or unknown mosters. Imagine the fame of showing the world monsters exist.
9 mm and 38 Special are the only questionable calibers for bear defense, but are better than nothing. All the rest worked quite well. Shot placement is always important but also the number of shots which land on the bear. You made a good case for the .40/10 mm caliber. Good research and narrative. Thanks for another great video.
I could see an underwood 9 mm busting a bears ass. 38 is a lucky shoot
@@matthewotis3594 did not say what kind of 9 mm or 38 Special ammo was used but FMJ would be more effective than JHP style on bears.
@adriannenu2320 that's what I shoot when in the woods with .45 fmj. Have some wad cutters and semi cutters dad made while living but don't carry them. Wanting to play around with the Buffalo bore or underwood with some tests. Be expensive tests.
9mm 147 gr +P hard cast would absolutely be effective against bears.
380 and 22lr not questionable for bear defense.. Good to know
Nice video, chuke. Love to hear several different calibers, successful.... 44 mag and 10 mm are my favorite....
Thank you!
Just a side note woods Brothers, 40 cal police trade in glocks, sigs and S&W automatic pisols can be had at rock bottom prices often between 2 and 300 dollars. Take advantage.
Such good deals too!!
I carry a 454 casull now but my next is going to be a FN converted to 460 Rowland 18+1
Very nice! One of those is on my list too...
I converted my G21 to 460R love it
I Live In California, So I Just Carry A Ruger GP100 4" 357 Mag. Loaded With 180 Grain FLNC (Full Lead Nose Cast) Buffalo Bore Ammo
Good choice!
As a retired LEO, never felt out gunned with my Glock 22(.40 cal). If I could do my job and hit the target the Glock did it job and made the grass grow. Still have a Glock 20, thanks Chuke!
Good to hear. The 40 S&W is overlooked a lot in my opinion!
I own & carry 2 Glock 22 .40s; 1 a used gen 4 & 1 a newer gen 5 series MOS. I have a few after market barrels: 9mm .357sig for the gen 04. I had a factory Glock grey 20 10mm gen 4 for about 2.5yr. It had grey factory Cerakote. No problems, no jams. The Glock 20 worked fine.
Glock 20 with extra mags would be my choice
Here is the #1 reason that is your best option: muscle memory, and you probably know this. Like you, I am retired LE. I have loaded, unloaded, holstered, unholstered, pointed, fondled, jostled and caressed a SigSauer P220/226 frame so many times, that when the SHTF, bullets just work and so do I. I don't hardly remember my sight picture or any other detail of a life threatening encounter. I'll take a practice over gear any day of the week. My .45ACP P220 shattered the skull of a charging boar, faceplanting it into the turf, and we pounced on it and slit its throat, which was smart because it wasn't all-the-way done. You take the shot you are given sometimes. We discovered at the pig roast the true extent of the damage that .45ACP round had done to the strongest part of its skull. It wasn't going to live to see another sunrise. Bear mauling's, I really half expect it could go down Revenant style, and any outcome with less injury is lucky. Better to see it first.
Whoa! THAT was an amazing video. Thanks so much for that. I am a long time fan of the .44Mag., 37 cases of using it against a bear attack.........ALL successful! My only regret is that my best friend Albert is no longer alive. He would have absolutely LOVED this video.
Very interesting. Whenever we go camping in known bear country the S&W Model 29 with the 6 1/2 in barrel goes along the 4in Colt Python.
Excellent!
great...nobody asked.
Shot placement and ammo selection are the most important things in my opinion
Agreed!
That and keep ones cool.
I live in Wyoming. I fish in the mountains and carry a 44 mag. When hunting I carry a 10mm plus my rifle. 44 mag is S&W 629 10mm is a XDM elite 4.5. In camp 12 gauge loaded with slugs. Plus hand guns and rifle. Only have had 2 bear encounters. LOL
Hello in Wyoming. I have read several accounts of old time cowboys and trappers killing big brown bears in Wyoming with a 44 winchester, or the 44-40. The old black powder loads as well as high velocity loads that were available then were much more powerful than todays cowboy action gaming loads. Nobody ever talks about it, but i think the old 44 winchester would take brown bear if hand loaded to peak performance.
Sounds about right! Same kind of setups you'd see someone carrying up here in the woods!!
As a Wyoming resident, when I spend time in the mountains I carry a 454 Casull Alaskan or a Ruger Vaquero Sheriff model with +P 45 Colt handloads. One of the last guys killed by a griz here hit the bruin full on in the face with spray, but it didn't stop her, and several studies suggest that bears who have been sprayed before sometimes aren't deterred by subsequent applications of OC. Never heard of one developing a tolerance for 300+ grain slugs....
My son was out walking the dog lastnight in the rain with his flashlight when he came within 25 feet of a big black bear with two cubs. The cubs went up a tree and he heard it and pointed his light and saw momma looking at him . His dog is 13 years old now and is a Saint Bernard so he backed out and got it in the house . He had his 9mm with him but no shots fired no need thank God . This was helpful info but he's switching up to his 40sw . Shot placement and staying cool is key. I told him to switch to his 40 just because I personally know the results. Glad to hear the 9mm will do the job I had doubts ive heard of dogs takeing many rounds of 9mm and still biteing people. Knowledge is power. Being ready is key.
Taking a .40 to Kodiak in August. I’ll let you know if I don’t die. 😂
Keep us posted lol
Let us know either way.😂
Try to contact us even if you die😁😁
Hey good luck!!
Well ? Are you bear meat now?
I fly fish in NW Wyoming and I have all of those you mentioned with me as a choice. A G29 10mm w/KKM extended barrel, a S&W 629 shorty, Ruger SP101 3" and some spray just for the hell of it. Love your channel.
It was great to hear all the incidents and the hg cal used.
My largest caliber hg is in 44 magnum but my frequent carry is in 10 mm for dangerous game or snipers on rooftop. Think Dallas TX or even the Vegas shooters.
My home defense choice is a G22 in 40 S&W and a mounted weapon light. Unfortunately with CA restricted magazines.
10mm for dangerous game or WHUT?!
@@beavisroadhog9629 You ever hear of what happened in Dallas? If a rooftop sniper is shooting I want my best chance to reach out in a CCW. Best way to stop an active shooter is to shoot back.
Thanks Chuke! I'm pleased to say I have an FNX 40 chambered in .40 S&W.
We had a test involving an army Kevlar vest. 22LR: stopped just inside nylon cover, 10mm 165g penetrators: made it 1/2 way through Kevlar, dented plastic chair, 10mm 220g hardcast: penetrated 3/4 through Kevlar, broke chair, 17HMR 16" barrel: penetrated Kevlar vest, chair, and left 1/4" dent in the safe used as a backstop. We were shocked.
10mm was a Glock 40 with 6" Lone Wolf barrel. Too bad I didn't have my .44 mag with me to add to the foolishness.
I am a bow hunter in the northeast not allowed to carry a side arm here in my state however I am in the process of moving North which allows you to carry a side arm while hunting.
Very interesting accounts and statistics, great video!
thank you!!
Being here in Prescott it seems
Wise to keep things in perspective and .357 Barnes 180 gr. Helps!
Thanks Guys!
44 mag forever S&W 629-6 Love it = practice a lot with 44 spl. =so accurate .! Practice at 10/5 yds.
Perfect! Love the S&W trigger too...
I have a hiking friend who always goes along with me. My Rugar single action, 7.5 inch barrel chambered in.45 colt. It's made to Founder a 1200 lb horse with 1 shot. It's a being safer than sorry.
The caliber of the weapon is one thing but the choice of bullet is in my opinion more important. When in bear country put away the defense and hallow point ammunition and go with FMJ , Ball or, soft point rounds. Penetration and bone breaking rounds are required there. Don’t use rounds that are designed to fragment or stop because you do not want to give a bear a flesh wound. I carry a S@W .357 Mag 6in barrel double action with target trigger and sight. I included Jacketed soft point above and the reason is that although it is a fragment style round it does both well. Penetration and fragmentation are good however FMJ or ball ammunition might be the better choice especially with smaller caliber weapons.
Dude, if your going to be in bear country, use BEAR ROUNDS. Your not hunting Bambi's out here & soft slugs just explode & are USELESS. WFNHCs or copper solids. Period.
I had an opportnity to speak at length with a bow hunter who was attacked at night by a black bear. He had chased it away from his tent twice after midnight by banging pots, but at 2 a.m. the bear seemed intent on coming right in. He shot it in the chest 3 times at about ten feet with a 1911 in .45ACP. The bear turned and made it about 20 yds then fell dead. In the morning he called the Div Wildlife and he was packing up his camp when I rode by on my ATV. He was obviously shaken, as anyone would be, but unharmed. This area has always had a big bear presence due to sloppy campers and a single restaurant putting out trash or garbage.
I’m in Idaho, 90% of the time its a G29 w/ Underwood extreme penetrators carried in a Hill People Gear chest pack or Gunfighters Kenai.
Other 10% (higher risk time/place) is a S&W 629 also w/ Underwood in a Kenai
Interesting!!
Fake news, the bears were obviously trying to greet the people and give them bears hugs and were shot. Bears love people and like to invite people to diner and people shoot them. 😂😂
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How to cook 40 humans.
@@blueduck9409 I would recommend a really big crockpot so that the meat just falls apart, just guessing since I have not cooked any hoomans. 🤪
Doh!
KEEP IT .................MOVING !
Thanks for the info! Handgun bullets, especially out of revolvers(wide meplat), perform differently then rifle rounds, and it regularly gets overlooked. Its fun to hear good stats.
Indeed it is!
Bullet type and bullet placement is key. Hard cast lead or full metal jacket. Aim for the brain.
Agreed!
Great video! You might think about doing another video of all the cases wherein people are maimed/killed by wildlife because they didn't have a firearm. In Canada about 4 people/yr are killed and it's illegal to carry a pistol.
Illegal to carry a pistol in Canada. Unreal. With all those woods too Wtf it’s like they want people to die
Very sad stuff
Excellent video again
Lesson
Be armed,
And
Deport anyone against / in the way of being armed
As a 44mag shooter you will get addicted to it.I cast a 290 gr. hard wide meplat bullet that is an absolute a knock down drag out bullet.Have fun with your new 44.
Over 20 years ago I started loading 320 gr heat treated solids for my .44 mag and they were unstoppable but not nearly as unstoppable as the 440 gr heat treated solids I loaded for my .475 Linebaugh. The Linebaugh has about twice the power of the .44 mag but without the ridiculous weight of those X-Frame S&Ws.
I have an XD 40 subcompact It was the only thing I took in the woods when I'm down South, they have black bear, coyote, and Ferrell hogs. I move over to the Glock 27 Gen 5 and I use underwood extreme penetrators and Buffalo Bore
I love my G27 in black bear ( and lion) country. It's fitted out with a G23 mag & x-Grip, and running BB hard cast and or the extreme penetraters. " Glock 27X -or- Short Slide G23". So versatile. Occasionally a .357 sig barrel swap with the XP's.
Like the story of killing the 500 lb Boar Griz with a 22 LR cal 9 shot Harrington 939 pistol in 1962 Montana. Chuck had tripped and Boar rose up on hind legs with a steel trap on a front paw over Chuck. He fired all 9 shots at close range missing some, other 22 LR bounced off boar's skull. The Kill shot went thru the beast's eyeball into brain killing him dead. Chuck settled down after his first few shots & composed his aim, did not let panic rise. Very tuff to do.
That would be hard indeed!!
GREAT STORY !!!!!!!!!
Good information. I enjoyed watching.
Hey thank you!
Bullet selection is important, more so with lower powered cartridges.
Agreed!
I am glad you gave the 40 cal some reconning since it gets trashed most of the time thank you. 13:58
I had a large boar black bear break into my 12x20 ft. Cabin at 2am
1 shot from Glock 30 .45acp at 3 feet. Ball ammo. Head on through the chest impact center mass. Bear ran back out died 50 feet away. In my opinion, the best weapon depends on the situation and the capabilities of who is using it.
So true! And amazing story, thanks for sharing!
Very true study. Especially if you’re handgun is a S&W 500 Magnum with paper cutter bullets!😎
40 s&w 200 grain hardcast is plenty for brown bear heck regular 165 grain Speer lawman fmj would be enough for black bear as well it passes through 3 full 16 inches of clear gel
I agree!
I read an article not many years ago in Sports Afield about using revolvers in .357 and .44 Magnum for bear defense in Grizzly country. I don't remember the source of the data the author used in article. The author claimed that the .357 Magnum had a better track record than the .44 Magnum in stopping attacks by grizzlies. The author surmised that perhaps it was due to faster follow-up shots with the .357 in contrast to slower follow-up shots with the .44.
Incidentally, I also read an online article stating that the Danish Border Police who are assigned to Greenland and patrol immense distances in extremely remote and inhospitable terrain are issued Glock 20's in 10mm for bear defense. Supposedly the 10mm Glock has served them well as a sidearm capable of taking a polar bear.
Interesting thanks for the comment!!
Good report Chuke 👍
Thanks Michael!
loved this, livin in NH black bear country its nice to hear that "smaller" bears are easily stopped
I live over by Mt. CARDIGAN.
I have bears using the game trail 60 feet behind my house.
Not unusual to see fresh scat, and a few busted Burch's have been designated their facebook posts, rubbing their hair off against the broken tree.
In years past we have had some rough summers, bears breakin into my shed, wandering in and out of my yard almost daily.
My Rottweiler Teddy kept all that in check for a while, when he fought one in front of the shed, had his chest ripped open but he was on guard and cared more about making sure it didnt come back.
He died 2 years back on Valentines day. He had gotten sick and I didnt know how to cure him.
The bears here still remember Teddy, they have been leaving us alone.
I do like them.
I think there is a den 200 yards away near a creek out back.
Live and let live.
But I need to be ready if that narrative changes.
Perhaps I should get another Rotty?
My 14 year old female Sheppard just likes to chase leaves and bark at turkeys.
I love her with all my heart.
Excellent topic Chuke.
Thank you for sharing and regards from Washifornia where lesbian judges don’t believe we need semiautomatic rifles.
FJI
Thanks! and lol at Washifornia! :D
Afraid that the bear might FAFO it was LICKED by a modern sporting rifle...
cheers . . pleased my fav .45LC was there
Cheers bud! 45LC is a great round!!
I read an article 20 years ago where someone had written in to a gun magazine asking what was the best handgun for defense in brown bear country. The author called the Alaska DNR in order to be able to give a qualified answer. Supposedly the Alaska DNR told him they had no records of anyone successfully defending themselves against an Alaskan brown bear with ANY type of handgun. Sometimes they killed the bear, but it died after killing the shooter. That article was written over 20 years ago. I don't think bears have changed much in the last 2 or 3 decades.
Bears haven't changed, but handgun and bullet technology has a lot.
Yea, I agree on the 40. It would probably go deeper and do better than the 38 or 9mm. The full power 10mm heavy hard cast or all copper bullets are some of the best choices with a good powerfull enough round and with a good magazine capacity. Best of both worlds !
Chuuuuke!
Shit placement is king, multiple shots on target are very important. caliber size is less important.
I know you mean shot placement and you are correct.
While a 9mm would not be my choice for a bear, its better than bear spray all day.
That's always a bullshit argument. You don't get to take your time to aim. Biggest caliber that you shoot well.
sHoT pLaCeMeNt
Have to agree with you!!
Love my 44"s accurate and hit hard.
Like a run away freight train.
Hard to beat a good 44!
I was mocked many times for carrying a 45 ACP as Bear defense - UNTIL i showed this study sometime ago. ZERO failures with the 45...
Make your shots count. Avoid skull shots if possible.
@@blueduck9409 Why so? Many big rounds are capable of going through it. Even in these stories the head shots worked.
@@blueduck9409 As many point out, a handgun is NOT the greatest choice compared to a long gun. With that said, I think with proper loads, there's not that much difference in efficacy between calibers and the study supports this
@@northernninety7 I was testing 10mm and 45 ACP after being led to believe there's a huge difference. I found that depending on loads, they are actually quite close with the 45 actually outperforming the 10 in a number of tests I conducted (water jugs, cinder blocks etc) and I'm now convinced that caliber is NOT the end all be all and the study supports this.
Love a good 45!!
Chuke should have a “cartoon bubble this” contest for his selfie.
My caption
(Hey, Bubba Bear where’s my moose)
LOL I should!!
What's crazy and is even noted in that article is how many of those stories about successful use of a gun in self defense against a grizzly are suppressed and not put into the statistics about spray vs gun
The Judge is my go to handgun for woods carrying.
Great choice!
Good Afternoon 🌞😃 Chuke. I Hope That Everybody Is Having A Great 👍 Afternoon Too. This is a great 👍 CZcams Video Chuke.
Thanks bud
Years ago I had a Para P14 converted to 45 Super. Have never had a need to use it, but it gives me 15 rounds of fairly high-performance large diameter bullets.
I love Wyoming!
Took my Glock 20 Gen 4 out today with a 20 lb captured spring and tungsten rod. Used American Eagle and S&B. It cycled fine with that target ammo.
Good! Glad to hear it's working well. The Captured spring and tungsten rod is intriguing...
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures I also added a tungsten guide rod and captured spring in my Glock 40 M.O.S. 10 mm and also added a KKM barrel so i can use 220 grain solid lead rds!
Really enjoyed the bear update =thanks
No problem, and thanks for the comment!
Great video. Not a hunter but camp and hike a lot in the SW and have read of several bear attacks in CO recently though have not encountered one myself in over 40 yrs. Carry a .357, sometimes .38 P & sprays.
Bear spray sucks the bear will use your bear spray as a chaser while it's eating you
Good video, Chuke I’m definitely saving this one as a reference. I hike the backcountry in Maine, lots of black bears there and big ones, too. I bring a Ruger Redhawk in .44 mag that has a 5.5” barrel. Use primarily Underwood 255 gr hard cast Keith Elmer style wadcutters. It’s powerful but tame enough for me to shoot continuously. Might want to check that out with your new .44 mag as it is tamer than the Buffalo Bore and Grizzly rounds I also have, but still does significant damage. Old-time woodsmen say any gun that can shoot a .40 cal bullet (or greater) going 1000 fps (or faster) will take any bear in the woods. Like you I would say shot placement counts for a lot, too. Fortnunately I have never had an encounter even seeing fresh poop right along the trail but I will say that wakes me up faster than a whole pot of coffee. Be safe.
Content has been really good lately. Way to up your game!
Hey thanks I appreciate it!
Absolutely excellent information. Thanks so much from southern VA
I had to use my Glock 17 on a black bear on my buddies property here in Tennessee near the smokies. Had the underwood extreme penatrators and there coated hard cast.
Okay, what happened
@@MyCatCarriesAGlock . My buddy and I were out working on his fence, he has a farm with cows, chickens etc so he's had problems with them before there was a sow that kept coming and going we didn't think to much about it then we seen she had cubs idk if it was the sound of us driving fence post or what but she started running at us and I shot it 3 times it took off we found it about 100 yards away
Have you seen any Sasquatch there? I've talked to people that has seen them in that area
@@Highgear145 . Na man I've heard stories as well but never witnessed any. I hike the smokies alot there's definitely so weird stuff up there. I've heard stuff that sounds like some kind of animal but nothing like any known species of the area
I'm guessing it did the job??
I read that article a couple years ago!!! Awesome read!!!
I would never trust my life to a can of pepperspray.
I have seen pictures af a not yet fully grown brown bear but it was 200+ lbs that was taken by 9mm+p+
9mm sucks
I read about that encounter I think!
I also think a 357 magnum with proper bullet selection is a fine choice. The Sierra 158 grain JSP bullet is ideal. It might actually be a better choice than a 44 magnum for most people. If I'm going somewhere that holds the possibility of running into a grizzly or a polar bear I want the Ruger/Marlin lever action Trapper model chambered in 4570 government.
I took a bear behavior and firearms class taught by the late Joe Nava. Incredible person and an incredible class. That knowledge has saved my life twice. He swore a .38 special and bear spray was all he ever carried for bear in Alaska. His absolute confidence in that caliber and higher we were taught to find a firearm that we were the most comfortable shooting. It was taught that if you had to shoot a bear it was 90% of the time your negligence that led to the attack. Be aware of your surroundings, be loud, be in pairs and wear something with a strong scent so they can smell you. I work in close proximity of bears most of the Alaskan summers and frequently have bears actually make noise to alert us given we are also loud. Seems mutual they dont want to interact with us much either lol. Only bears that have been curious or that have approached were young black bears and shouting and a false charge on my part has allways made them turn tail not to be seen again. Great video and excellent information. Thank you for making a great video!
Hey thanks and great comment! Good info to know…
1983, idaho, 41 mag ruger 4 5/8 inch barrel. 4 shots. Dropped.