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    Today Ben dives into the Wizarding Word of Harry Potter to find out what would have happened if James Potter had never lent Dumbledore his Invisibility Cloak and had it the night Voldemort attacked!
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  • @beaniebear1122
    @beaniebear1122 Před 5 měsíci +941

    I would genuinely want to see a video fully focused on what if Ron fed Peter (in rat form) to Norbert.

    • @tayshawntorres5020
      @tayshawntorres5020 Před 5 měsíci +83

      They already made “What if Crookshanks successfully killed Wormtail”
      I feel like that’s the same premise

    • @wolverinefangowings
      @wolverinefangowings Před 5 měsíci +60

      ​@@tayshawntorres5020but (as far as i remember) in that situation Scabbers still goes to Egypt and appears in the photo, which prompts Sirius's escape. Scabbers dying 2 years before that could be a huge change

    • @brandywilmoth5829
      @brandywilmoth5829 Před 5 měsíci

      😂

    • @tayshawntorres5020
      @tayshawntorres5020 Před 5 měsíci +15

      @@wolverinefangowings you’re definitely right. I do give you that.

    • @matthewehrlich5157
      @matthewehrlich5157 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Sirius never escapes

  • @Chikararyoku
    @Chikararyoku Před 5 měsíci +205

    the one thing you skipped over with this, with no death eater activity; Neville was raised by his parents, probably having more self confidence and skill, being raised by two aurors

    • @DylanMeek7
      @DylanMeek7 Před 5 měsíci +22

      Voldemort would have gone and killed the Longbottoms after he couldn’t find Harry.

    • @Chikararyoku
      @Chikararyoku Před 5 měsíci +15

      true, but he said Voldemort canceled all Death Eater activity. plus, Dumbledore would likely be the secret keeper of the Longbottoms

    • @ilbwfy1550
      @ilbwfy1550 Před 5 měsíci +1

      this isnt about neville

    • @user-xm5ry2ld1j
      @user-xm5ry2ld1j Před 4 měsíci

      Weren’t they tortured before Harry’s parents were killed?

    • @Chikararyoku
      @Chikararyoku Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@user-xm5ry2ld1j no, they were tortured after Voldemort vanished, because Bellatrix thought they might know where the dark lord had disappeared to. but since in this story, Voldy pulled back all his death eaters, no need for them to be attacked

  • @ThisUserIsNoLongerAvailable
    @ThisUserIsNoLongerAvailable Před 5 měsíci +399

    What if James survived? Maybe he had to talk to The Order or Dumbledore about something or was sick of being cooped up and went out in his stag form, but he comes home to find Lily dead and Harry scarred. How much would things change with James still around?

    • @ajwinberg
      @ajwinberg Před 5 měsíci +23

      I like this one. I would like to see this what if as well. 😊

    • @craighalliday0276
      @craighalliday0276 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Good idea!

    • @Mysteri0usChannel
      @Mysteri0usChannel Před 5 měsíci +6

      I would love to see this one!

    • @samkrerowicz4269
      @samkrerowicz4269 Před 5 měsíci +41

      I think this is what would have happened if James still had the cloak since Lily's letter to Sirius says that James wanted to sneak out, but couldn't because he didn't have the cloak.

    • @Neekazan
      @Neekazan Před 5 měsíci +16

      Survivor's guilt would lie heavily on James.

  • @jklinker
    @jklinker Před 5 měsíci +88

    Another interesting point for the prelude - we see the cloak protect Harry, Ron and Hermione absolutely when they apparate into Hogsmeade and the death eaters try and find them by summoning the cloak. The cloak doesn't budge off of Harry because he is its true master and it is protecting him.

    • @blankahegyi5561
      @blankahegyi5561 Před 5 měsíci +4

      You are kind of right but spells just don't work on it no master thing.

    • @lucyairapetian407
      @lucyairapetian407 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@blankahegyi5561incorrect. Only summoning charms don’t work

  • @mienfu9824
    @mienfu9824 Před 5 měsíci +95

    What would happen to Sirius and Peter in this scenario? Does Sirius still go to Azkaban? If Peter can stay with the other Death Eaters in hiding, he won't be living with Weasleys, so Sirius will never see him in the newspaper and never escape.

    • @eliaslewis8972
      @eliaslewis8972 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Oh yeah what about Sirius? Maybe they’ll cover him if they do a part 3 on Prizoner

    • @eliaslewis8972
      @eliaslewis8972 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Wait nvm I got to the end and realized they skipped over that

    • @claraberger3234
      @claraberger3234 Před 4 měsíci +3

      I would really like to have Sirius be included into this

    • @jagnestormskull3178
      @jagnestormskull3178 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Interesting questions to be sure. And if Sirius never went to Azkaban, wouldn't he have asked for custody of Harry as was clearly Lily and James's wish?

  • @ugolomb
    @ugolomb Před 5 měsíci +51

    I feel that more could and should have been made of Barty Crouch Junior never having been captured. For one thing, it could mean that Barty Crouch Senior is the Minister for Magic -- he was expected to take the role, and the main (or only) reason he didn't is because his son was exposed as a Death Eater. In this scenario, I can even imagine Barty Crouch Jr as DADA teacher in Harry's first year -- acting as Voldemort's agent trying to ensure that Harry indeed falls...

  • @queenmab1978
    @queenmab1978 Před 5 měsíci +175

    If Harry wasn’t marked as a 1 year old, would he still have the same wand? What if Harry’s wand chose him
    because it could sense Voldemort? Would a different wand choose Harry if he wasn’t a horcrux?

    • @sybersisters3688
      @sybersisters3688 Před 5 měsíci +10

      Oooooh, good point!
      That would make it very interesting if a “graveyard scene” happened later on.

    • @dylanzrim3635
      @dylanzrim3635 Před 5 měsíci +14

      Harry’s wand 100% chose Harry due to his connection to voldy... this is canon

    • @olandir
      @olandir Před 5 měsíci +14

      Yes, I always think they forget this. But I guess it could be said the connection still exists because of the prophecy, so if wants really are sentient then it would always know that it belonged to Harry. But that's just me covering plot holes for this what if.

    • @LCM393
      @LCM393 Před 5 měsíci +6

      The phoenix wand definitely wouldn't have chosen Harry if it wasn't for the part of Voldemort's soul in him

    • @olandir
      @olandir Před 5 měsíci +4

      What they could do to fix this is have Barty Crouch Jr. not just take Harry's wand but break it. Then he has to go get a new one and the phoenix wand will choose him then.

  • @amberbanuelos7053
    @amberbanuelos7053 Před 5 měsíci +13

    4:46 Moody’s eye’s backstory would be an awesome one to hear more about.

  • @danielfleming5585
    @danielfleming5585 Před 5 měsíci +71

    It would have been cool to see Lily survive under the cloak with Harry. She would have been there to testify that Wormrail was the secret keeper sparing Serious. Snape’s relationship with Harry would have been different as he would want Lily to like him and bully her kid seems counterproductive (maybe even Snape’s whole mood would be altered because Lily isn’t dead so maybe he just doesn’t bully all the the kids?) Lily could remarry one of the single wizards we know of (Serious, Snape, Lockhart😅, ect) . The sacrificial love would not have been cast and Voldemort wouldn’t have been defeated so who knows how the prophecy unfolds. Plus, Lily meeting Ginny sounds precious.

  • @iissamiam
    @iissamiam Před 5 měsíci +21

    Related theory: The sacrificial protection Dumbleboor invokes after lily’s death is dark magic, blood magic to be precise. I think the initial protection that saved Harry as a baby is automatic, but the lingering protection that’s connected to Petunia is an extension that Dumbledoor facilitates. Most people wouldn’t ever learn of such dark magics, and Dumbledoor wouldn’t ever kill somebody to create the magical protection, but if a situation arose where the death had already occurred I could see him taking advantage of the situation.

    • @hoseman18
      @hoseman18 Před 5 měsíci +8

      In Kings Station after Harry's "death" by Voldemort, Harry says to Dumbledore, "you never killed when you could avoid it" and Dumbledore affirms that statement. Thus we know that Dumbledore HAS killed before. We also know that Dumbledore investigated Dark Magic and was able to surmise Voldemort's creation of horcruxes, thus revealing that Dumbledore must have had extensive understanding of that magical deed. I think that Dumbledore HAD a horcrux, probably Fauxe, but felt so much remorse that his soul was healed.

  • @robertbrown3542
    @robertbrown3542 Před 5 měsíci +70

    Was just wondering what if Dumbledore raised harry Potter ? How overpowered would he be

    • @philfoden930
      @philfoden930 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Nice idea give a shout-out to this one

    • @klemen96
      @klemen96 Před 5 měsíci +6

      I feel like Harry would be much more ambitious and cocky, maybe something like young Serious.
      Albus would see the young self and become more power hungry again, like old self.
      I have no Serious argument why i think that, just my thoughts.

    • @philfoden930
      @philfoden930 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@klemen96 probably Slytherin house

    • @raineseth5661
      @raineseth5661 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@klemen96SIRIUS. NOT SERIOUS.

    • @emakelley6807
      @emakelley6807 Před 3 měsíci

      He only left him with the Dursley’s to keep the protective magic. Or I think he would have

  • @tayshawntorres5020
    @tayshawntorres5020 Před 5 měsíci +26

    To be fair, Dumbledore could also see through the Cloak
    In CoS when Fudge came to take Hagrid to Azkaban, Dumbledore specifically looked at Harry & Ron hiding under the cloak in the hut

    • @naomisrandomness8223
      @naomisrandomness8223 Před 5 měsíci +11

      I always thought he just guessed they were there and did homenum revelio or whatever, or maybe just heard them because he was listening for them.

    • @rahulkochar5577
      @rahulkochar5577 Před 5 měsíci +15

      I always figured that Dumbledore couldn't see Harry and Ron through the cloak but he could just sense the clock since he studied its magical properties.

    • @tayshawntorres5020
      @tayshawntorres5020 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@rahulkochar5577 that’s fair.
      Peeves couldn’t see through the Cloak, but he could still tell the trio was there when they were sneaking to the Sorcerers Stone.
      The only difference is whereas Peeves could only sense someone was around, Dumbledore looked DIRECTLY at Harry & Ron

    • @mienfu9824
      @mienfu9824 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I think he just knew they were there because he used homenum revelio, he couldn't actually see them.

    • @MadRaptorGaming
      @MadRaptorGaming Před 5 měsíci +1

      Malfoy also found Harry and stunned him in the 6th book on the train.

  • @ODISeth
    @ODISeth Před 5 měsíci +10

    I’m still bewildered by the fact that Moody’s eye can completely ignore the power of a Deathly Hallow and just bypass the cloak of invisibility. Holy cow that’s powerful. Why and how is that eye so powerful?

    • @DandTBros
      @DandTBros Před 5 měsíci

      That would be an amazing theory

  • @joelowthianYT
    @joelowthianYT Před 5 měsíci +32

    What if Lily disapparated with Harry when James warns her that Voldemort is in the house?

    • @hackfleischking5162
      @hackfleischking5162 Před 5 měsíci +6

      The house is protected. In the blacks house you can not disapparate. They always go outside with the cloak and disapparate under it. The potters house should have the same restrictions.

    • @hoseman18
      @hoseman18 Před 5 měsíci

      You need a wand to disapparate as implied by Hermione in the attack on the Ministry of Magic. Lily didn't have her wand. No disapparation, regardless of protections on the house.@@hackfleischking5162

  • @patrickdematosribeiro1845
    @patrickdematosribeiro1845 Před 5 měsíci +7

    The thing about Ron opening the Chamber of Secrets is he doesn't seem the type who uses a diary. Ginny wrote into the diary, Voldemort answered her, she became attached to it and this is why he was able to possess her. If Ron found the diary in one of his books he might look to see if something written in it and since there wasn't throw it in his trunk without intending to ever use it. Would the Horcrux be able to possess him in this scenario?

  • @tinyd2015
    @tinyd2015 Před 5 měsíci +41

    thank you both so much for this channel. i can't believe you guys are still making as high-quality content as this after so many years. harry potter is my autistic special interest and has been a massive portion of my life since like 2012, and the fact that you've been along for that ride for almost the whole time is so crazy and important to me. thank you so much for everything!

  • @chubby_deity3143
    @chubby_deity3143 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I don't know about this one, (this has been awhile and it's solely based off of memory, so I may be wrong) so like...the train scene, wasn't Harry STUNNED despite being under the cloak? so if a stun spell could work without seeing the target, I feel like a killing curse wouldn't have much trouble,
    and even if the cloak can mask Harry's presence and Voldemort destroys the house, the cloak wouldn't protect Harry from debris?

    • @blankahegyi5561
      @blankahegyi5561 Před 5 měsíci

      Yeah just blast a bunch of killing curses everywhere or just leave witouth commotion and hope no one finds Harry and he starves to death. And more likely the cloack would not distract Harry so much that even tho thats the only thing that changes he would not start crying and than Voldemort would easily find him.

  • @TnT_F0X
    @TnT_F0X Před 5 měsíci +10

    I kinda like this story better in hindsight cause of how annoyed Volly would get... HE was probably holding the sword, laughing as he sensed his splintered soul about to win... and it disappears from his hand into Harry's and ruins everything.

  • @NickWuebker
    @NickWuebker Před 5 měsíci +18

    This is really interesting and I absolutely can’t wait for part two. However, I do take issue with one thing. I do think it’s within the realm of possibility that Lily ducks under the cloak with infant Harry and that changes quite a bit.

    • @coolnerdlll6053
      @coolnerdlll6053 Před 5 měsíci +3

      I think she would still put him before herself. She's not the one that needs to be protected.

    • @NickWuebker
      @NickWuebker Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@coolnerdlll6053 Very true. But I think it still comes down to how much time James can buy them.

    • @Erobazai
      @Erobazai Před 5 měsíci +1

      I was about to write that too!

    • @aadamchandoo5014
      @aadamchandoo5014 Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@coolnerdlll6053 if the cloak makes them unfindable, why wouldn't she just stay under the clock with Harry

    • @Josh_Wen
      @Josh_Wen Před 5 měsíci +7

      However, in the moment, she would have no reason to believe that Harry would survive by himself, or that anyone would find him, so going with him could be seen as protection. She would do it for Harry, to raise him, not to save herself.

  • @coolnerdlll6053
    @coolnerdlll6053 Před 5 měsíci +33

    Question: What if the Golden Trio never went to Malfoy Manor? Dobby doesn't die, they don't figure out where the cup is, Luna, Dean, Ollivander and Griphook don't escape and Harry doesn't steal Draco's wand. There's a lot of potential there.

    • @youtubeSuckssNow
      @youtubeSuckssNow Před 5 měsíci +2

      They keep wandering around for ages clueless

    • @coolnerdlll6053
      @coolnerdlll6053 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@youtubeSuckssNowRemember, according to the prophecy, Harry and Voldemort are going to meet at some point and one kills the other. How does it happen?

    • @youtubeSuckssNow
      @youtubeSuckssNow Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@coolnerdlll6053 i mean, they can't run forever. Just like in the story, they eventually got caught by snatchers. When they get caught they get brought to him or the ministry.
      They are clueless until that point in time. Eventually they could figure out one of the other ones but there is really no telling, the whole story kinda depends on them ending up there.

  • @JustACactus616
    @JustACactus616 Před 5 měsíci +25

    Hey Brother! A few weeks ago I finally saw the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes in theaters and I thought it was great. I was glad to see the map although I didn’t think much of it until I saw your review. I looked it up and of course there is now an official canon map, compared to the current United States. My job for you, is to use geography and theories and stuff to find out once and for all when the Hunger Games take place. It may be tricky but the entire fandom is counting on you. And may the odds be ever in your favor!

  • @Zeke_O3773
    @Zeke_O3773 Před 5 měsíci +5

    James and Lily didn’t even have their wands on them and it wasn’t even in a place Lily could get to afterwards so would they be able to get to the cloak? Also, couldn’t Voldy use the Homenum Revelio to find Harry or just listen for a crying baby?

  • @Kerrislife
    @Kerrislife Před 5 měsíci +4

    You have to do a spin off theory what if Lily survived with Harry! Her protection spell wouldnt be on him but also, would snape jave switched sides?

  • @toeray5864
    @toeray5864 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Draco "de-cloaks" Harry on the Hogwarts Express in HBP but he also knew Harry was in the compartment with the Slytherins. I guess the mini Fidelius charm theory works if you don't already know for a fact the person is in your presence and their sole intention is to hide/be hidden by another.

  • @thenoob2385
    @thenoob2385 Před 5 měsíci +5

    The only thing I could think about while watching this video is that in the 2nd book, when they are in Hagrid's hut, Dumbledore knew Harry and Ron were under the cloak. He non-verbally casted "humeno revileo" and knew they were there. Surley Voldemort would be smart enough to do the same while looking for baby Harry?

    • @ilbwfy1550
      @ilbwfy1550 Před 5 měsíci +1

      harry never wanted the cloak to hide him from Dumbledore specifically

  • @j.manning_YT
    @j.manning_YT Před 5 měsíci +3

    The 5 minute intro was A1 💯😂 I lowkey forgot that I was waiting on it, then BOOM

  • @curtis2737
    @curtis2737 Před 5 měsíci +5

    So just a random thought. On the train in there first year Ron attempts a spell given to him by Fred and George, but it fails.
    My question is did the spell fail because it "isn't a proper spell" or is it because the spell won't work on animagus ?

  • @noelle_reads_alot
    @noelle_reads_alot Před 5 měsíci +8

    I’m still waiting for part two if Petunia had been a witch

    • @carolinpetersen6894
      @carolinpetersen6894 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I've always thought of this premise, but how about, what if Dudley was a muggleborn?

    • @noelle_reads_alot
      @noelle_reads_alot Před 5 měsíci

      @@carolinpetersen6894 that would be amazing

  • @sarahc4685
    @sarahc4685 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Jay giggling in the background of this video had me 😂

  • @Soph1aF
    @Soph1aF Před 5 měsíci +5

    I always love all of your guys' videos! (Especially the Harry Potter ones!) Keep being amazing! :)

  • @JamesJonesTech
    @JamesJonesTech Před 5 měsíci +7

    We need a series out of this one. 🔥

  • @amanekabbaj
    @amanekabbaj Před 5 měsíci +2

    Just want to say that I absolutely love your podcast. I listen to it every Sunday night to go sleep and it’s amazing that there’s so much to go into after all these his time.

  • @KingRalphBeats
    @KingRalphBeats Před 5 měsíci +6

    Love your content guys. Keep up the good work

  • @theeutecticpoint
    @theeutecticpoint Před 5 měsíci

    Ooooh, this one is neat! I love how you guys are still able to come up with new scenarios for this story that aren't too out there or fanfic-y

  • @jbreezy101
    @jbreezy101 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This is good. The sacrificial protection of Lily is kept alive by petunia taking harry in, so i agree that it works. you missed one thing about the cloak: I recommend rereading the part in book 7 when the trio comes to hogsmeade... "accio invisibility cloak!".

    • @mirzu42
      @mirzu42 Před 4 měsíci

      Except the protection would never even have taken place. Lily would not get the chance to die for harry. Voldemort would have killed her anyways if he couldnt find harry out of anger.
      Because remember, the protection happens only because voldermort tells lily to step aside and she is given a choice to survive, but she refuses to.
      And also the fact that the cloak does not protect from spells since draco could petrify harry in the train in the half blood prince.

  • @ObsessiveGeek
    @ObsessiveGeek Před 5 měsíci +4

    Though I would rather the series follows events as told in the novels, I would love to see the story unfold in greater detail and with the world fully realised from the beginning to keep the logic of magic consistent.
    So we can see, for example, flashbacks to important events to gain a broader perspective.
    This way it can cover potential "what if" scenarios whilst still keeping to the lore we know and love.

  • @Trippp550
    @Trippp550 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I freaking love these HP what if videos

  • @abiad1
    @abiad1 Před 29 dny

    Really love all your theories. Keep up the good work.

  • @RaulGonzalez-zg5ov
    @RaulGonzalez-zg5ov Před 5 měsíci

    Man these "what if" videos are my favorite series from you guys. Can't wait til part two

  • @Baalslegion07
    @Baalslegion07 Před 5 měsíci +6

    I'd love to see a "What if the prophecy was wrong".
    So many of the Harry Potter theories just end up exactly were the books do, just because of this prophecy. But what if it was wrong? What if the prophecy doesn't dictate how things go, but rather told how things would go, if things happen exactly as they did. Maybe James and Lilly defeat Voldemort and dont die in the process. Maybe the Longbottoms bwat the Deatheaters attacking them! Maybe Voldemort just doesn't get to mark someone and decides to get Deatheaters to kill every single child born in that time frame.
    Basicly, what would happen, if it turned out to be a prophecy that is subject to change and can be altered.
    It would be a cool difference for once, since basicly every what if comes down to: "Well, the prophecy states neither can live while the other survives. So X happens." But what if both could live? Because the prophecy, to me, seems a bit silly. Like, according to the prophecy, maybe the one to vanquish the dark lord is just some muggle born that day, that 75 years later, while driving drunk just runs over ex-dictator Voldemort, who was on the run after Dumbledore destroyed his Horcruxes? The mark? Maybe he was minigolfing and Voldemort exploded a brindge nearby and shrapnel caught him. This prophecy isn't really narrowing down anything, yet it always results in going back to Harry and Neville.

    • @JoshuaB1194
      @JoshuaB1194 Před 5 měsíci +2

      The problem with this idea(while interesting) is that Tom, like you, takes the prophecy too seriously. Prophecies don't happen because 'fate dictated it' but because that choices people make, I could go into details on how the prophecy would still come true even if it wasn't stated but instead I'll focus on a different topic.
      The reason the prophecy happens is because of Tom's believes and actions, his pride and arrogance is what pushed him to confront harry in the first place because he believes in it( Ironically). He would never allow someone else to be seen as his equal so he will make sure that he will be the one to kill harry and no one else because in his eyes if someone else killed the person who could kill him then it would make them seemed the more powerful and Tom would never allow that.
      The reason it comes back to Harry and Neville is because they are the two only wizards born on the 31 of July and the prophecy took place before that date so they know that only those two infants were born that day. Sure a Muggle could of been born on that date or maybe a foreign witch or wizard but the problem is the other criteria 'parents who've thrice defied him' and only the potters and longbottoms did. Also side note, if you honestly think that Tom would've been run over by a car accidentally then you've never red the book or even payed any attention.
      I feel like your 'what ifs' are interesting as concepts but have no logical way to happen given the circumstances we are working with.

    • @Baalslegion07
      @Baalslegion07 Před 5 měsíci

      @@JoshuaB1194 Thanks for the lengthy reply! Nice to see someone formulate theor thoughts out, instead of just writing "Nope" or some hateful comment.
      Yeah, Voldemort getting run over was just hyperbole. Like, the most ridiculous thing ever, that I could think of - although, on a side note, stuff like that does happens due to prophecies, like Perseus of Greek mythology being prophecised to kill king Acrisius, who therefore does everything he can to make sure that baby wont even be born, only for Perseus to later in life throw a discus that just so happens to hit him on the head out of fate or coincidence.
      I know what you mean with "people make prophecies happen", but I think thats the problem, with Harry Potter not always being so clear about how prophecies work. I mean, not every prophecy works the same. In greek mythology for example, there is no escape from a prophecy - regardless of what you do, ins one way that prophecy will always come true. But then there are other kinds of prophecies, which are just 'suggestions' which can be altered, if you simply avoid the thing thst is prophecised - for example, you are to die on a specific day, by a specific cause and if you avoid that cause, you'll live, a bit like in final destination for example. Then there are prophecies, that aren't things that are set in stone, but rather a thing that simply will happen in a certain way, due to people making it that way - in Lord of the Romgs, the Witch-King of Angmar, is a perfect example for such a prophecy. He isn't unkillable by anyone who is male, it was just foreseen, that he will 100% will be slain not by a man and on a different day than the one the prophecy was prophecised. The elven lord who made that prophecy wanted to save the life of the last king of Arnor and therefore told him not to sacrifice his life by chasing after him, by telling him that prophecy. And in the end, he was killed by a woman and a Hobbit, so neither by a man nor a human working alone, since Merry stabbing the Witch-King with that special blade, made him even vulnerable, thus fulfilling the prophecy.
      Getting back to Harry Potter, what kind of prophecy is this? Is this an unchangable one? Is it merely a suggestion? Or is it a vague thing that could happen in any way, but definitly will come true in that particular way?
      We simply dont know. Thats why I think taking the prophecy out of it, would change stuff up, in a nice way. By not having to result back to Harry or Neville eventually taking down Voldemort, we can have a few, newer, interesting things happen.
      But maybe its just me being frustrated with the Carlin brothers theories not always really making sense. This one for example or especially the Neville one:
      Why would voldemort stop, just because the wizard who might take him down hasn't been killed yet? I think he more or less would carry on, but focus on finding that chosen one and then killing them.
      All in all, I think you definitly are right in saying, that Tom Riddle is causing his own downfall in the official story. He does after all do literally everything, that you shouldn't do, if you want to live forever. Anyway, it was nice talking to you! Nice to see someone respect a different opinion and not attacking different views.

  • @mareksroka5629
    @mareksroka5629 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I believe I remember a part were one of Harry's enemy, knowing he was under the cloak, tried to summon it, but the cloak didn't react to the spell. If I'm right (I'm double guessing myself), this would means the cloak is at least partially curse proof

    • @thedragonwarrior5861
      @thedragonwarrior5861 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Yup, when they apparatus into Hogsmeade in Deathly Hallows a death eater tries to summon the cloak

  • @tommymccann2640
    @tommymccann2640 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I always found it strange that Dumbledore couldn't make other people invisible. I think he just uses a disillusionment charm which you can definitely use on others.

  • @robertking4645
    @robertking4645 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I don't really like how you made James and Lily die in this timeline. The cloak can easily cover three people at once especially if the third is a baby. So if Lily had time to run upstairs, they all had time to take the invisability cloak and hide themselves from Voldemort. I feel like grabbing the cloak and escaping the house would've been James' natural instinct since this is probably sth he did dozens of time in Hogwarts alongside Sirius, Remus and Peter. It's way more likely than him just taking on Voldemort wandless

    • @JoshuaB1194
      @JoshuaB1194 Před 5 měsíci +2

      You do know how much time the potters had once Tom showed up, right? He was literally busting down their door when he caught them unawares. The only reason Liiy made it to the nursery is because of James's trying to delay him. Imagine if a killer busted down your front door and held a gun in his hand to kill you and you weren't prepared for it and tried to run, tell me how it would go for you.

    • @blankahegyi5561
      @blankahegyi5561 Před 5 měsíci

      Can you tell me how would all three of the hide under it for more than 4 seconds between them dissapearing and Voldemort shooting the killing curse at the place he saw them dissapear?

  • @AnorakDovahkiin
    @AnorakDovahkiin Před 5 měsíci

    Fantastic video!!
    Worth noting that the lighting was very weird. Ben looked real dark compared to normal.

  • @joes8636
    @joes8636 Před 5 měsíci

    "What if" videos are the best on this channel. I love them and please do more 🙏😄

  • @jaredbennett7677
    @jaredbennett7677 Před 5 měsíci

    Not sure I'm as convinced on the power ascribed to the cloak in this scenario, but I always love your what if breakdowns!

  • @General12th
    @General12th Před 5 měsíci

    Hi Ben!
    Great work!

  • @travishayslip9409
    @travishayslip9409 Před 5 měsíci

    These stories are always so good

  • @aliceepalermo5047
    @aliceepalermo5047 Před 5 měsíci

    Amazing theory guys, cant wait for part 2 😊

  • @mecahhannah
    @mecahhannah Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome as always thanks guys ❤

  • @amiriclehello9337
    @amiriclehello9337 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Homonium revelio can reveal the location of someone under the cloak. Dumbledore does this. Even considering that Harry is the “true owner” of the cloak.

  • @JM_Rosebranch
    @JM_Rosebranch Před 5 měsíci +4

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Draco find Harry under the cloak on the train, which leads to the whole foot to face incident? Shouldn't the cloak have made him impossible to find from that? Even if Draco caught a glimpse of his ankle before getting fully covered?
    Also, these videos are enthralling! It's like listening to the story for the first time again ❤.

    • @Crimfit
      @Crimfit Před 5 měsíci +1

      This was my first thought as well

    • @JoshuaB1194
      @JoshuaB1194 Před 5 měsíci

      Not at all, even invisibility and presence concealment is useless if you were already seen, or at least known you were there. Draco is smart so knowing that something is above him unseen is more then enough to guess that harry is there, 5 years of contesting him will do that.

    • @jonathansibert8079
      @jonathansibert8079 Před 5 měsíci

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@JoshuaB1194The situation with Draco was my first thought as well. Personally I’m not satisfied with this explanation for trying to support SCB theory. It would imply Draco is smart enough to know that Harry is there on a hunch, but Voldemort wouldn’t be smart enough to believe or know that Harry was in a heavily guarded house with his parents? Voldy is far more knowledgeable and experienced so it shouldn’t be an issue and you’d better believe he’d still have killed his parents and wouldn’t have left til he found Harry anyways.

    • @JoshuaB1194
      @JoshuaB1194 Před 5 měsíci

      @@jonathansibert8079 The difference between Draco's situation and Tom's situation is that Draco knew that Harry owns an Invisibility Cloak while Tom(as far as we know) doesn't know that the Potter own one. Tom might be very powerful and cunning but he's not infallible, he can be tricked.It's rare, no doubt but it can happen.
      Draco is smart and talented the book just simply doesn't give it justice, though we do have examples. His plan to get the DE into the castle is very clever and he did it mostly on his own, he performed the protean charm that Hermione cast in the last book and she was admired for it, it is implied that he would of gotten into NEWT potions even before Slughorn took over, and many more so yeah it is absolutely possible that he would discovered Harry.

    • @blankahegyi5561
      @blankahegyi5561 Před 5 měsíci

      @@jonathansibert8079 Harry acidentaly made a sound Draco saw his shoes so Harry was just bad at hiding.

  • @lucygarrett9785
    @lucygarrett9785 Před 5 měsíci +7

    I have a what if idea!
    What if James sacrificed himself which gave Harry the lovecrux but Lilly also survived (like Voldemort had just thrown her aside or soemthing), this could also be done vice versa where James survives.
    I am just really curious how the story would have changed had Harry had one of his parents around.

    • @Kerrislife
      @Kerrislife Před 5 měsíci

      Yeah, but what if LIly survived? Would Snape still have switched sides?

    • @JoshuaB1194
      @JoshuaB1194 Před 5 měsíci +1

      James would never been able to be the sacrifice because Tom never intending to spare him. Lily was given the choice to live because snape begged Tom to spare her and he complied, sure to us it doesn't seem like much of a choice but it was a choice she made knowing she would die. James was never given that choice.

  • @Terentatek007
    @Terentatek007 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great video as always. Just one thing, what about Sirius? He would have still gone after Peter and get sent to Azkaban right? Wouldn't he still escape in Harrys third year, of course only if the Weasleys still win the lottery and do their trip to Egypt.

    • @killerfudgetastic
      @killerfudgetastic Před 5 měsíci

      Would he have been able to find Peter, though? After all, Peter would have been able to hide behind the death eaters this time because Voldemort didn’t fall.

  • @SgtSupaman
    @SgtSupaman Před 5 měsíci +3

    I guess it would have altered too much of the story in an unpredictable way if James was just intelligent and covered himself with Lily and Harry and they all slipped out of the house after Voldemort comes in. There's really no reason why they couldn't just keep hiding any time he comes after them if they have the cloak. This also, unfortunately, means that Voldemort doesn't lose his power and is free to continue his ongoing reign of terror, but it does mean that Peter is immediately revealed to be the traitor. Because, even if he is attacked and escapes from Sirius again, James would be there to back up Sirius' story that Peter was the secret keeper. So the first wizarding war would be prolonged, but James, Lily, and Sirius would still be there to help fight it.
    My only complaint about these 'what if' videos y'all do is that they always seem to take circuitous paths back to the original story when the premises are often about a change so great that it should take things in an entirely different direction.

  • @cluxydazu6405
    @cluxydazu6405 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Could we possibly get a video discussing the timeline of quidditch? Like the game’s origins and how it was passed down through generations of wizarding kind, and when they officially started doing world cups. I think it would be interesting with finding out who created the sport and getting a bigger understanding for the gameplay and how different tactics and moves are classified as illegal or legal. Also, love the vids so much!! ❤❤❤😊

  • @AuthorZaraHoffman
    @AuthorZaraHoffman Před 5 měsíci

    I love these what-ifs!

  • @risuwolf
    @risuwolf Před 5 měsíci +30

    What if Harry was a girl (resembling Lily) instead? You've mentioned before the possible creepy implications of how Snape might treat her, but I wanna know more in depth how you guys think the story would play out

    • @user-jx6kl4ej7v
      @user-jx6kl4ej7v Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yeah, he should do something like that like the series, If Harry Was In Slytherin

    • @kpopnimation
      @kpopnimation Před 5 měsíci +1

      Would that much be different besides relationship drama stuff?

    • @sybersisters3688
      @sybersisters3688 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yea, I have a question tho, Is James’ middle name Harry?
      If so, the girl version of Harry should have lily’s middle name.

    • @jacobspies6380
      @jacobspies6380 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@kpopnimation I agree 👍 Other than some slight differences in interactions and love interests, I can't see this changing the story or plot very much at all, just as the gender of your character in video games usually doesn't really change any important details either.

    • @thenoob2385
      @thenoob2385 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@sybersisters3688James' middle name is Fleamont, which is his father's name

  • @harmonydesroches
    @harmonydesroches Před 5 měsíci

    I love it when the other brother laughs in the background

  • @SteveOh30000
    @SteveOh30000 Před 5 měsíci +3

    There is no way it wouldn't have worked. James tells Harry and his mother to get under the cloak. Voldemort would not have been able to find them. At worst he burns the house down but I'm sure there was a secret exit in the house some where.

  • @Kags
    @Kags Před 5 měsíci +1

    As for being unfindable under the cloak, the marauders map could still see him as well. And powerful as the map may be, it is still just an item made by a few school students vs an eternal artifact created by possibly the three most powerful wizards of all time, or death himself.

  • @kylecollins3755
    @kylecollins3755 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I feel like Neville would be a very capable wizard from the beginning in this instance and significantly more confident. Probably the most powerful wizard in their year if not in all of Hogwarts from an early age.

    • @hackfleischking5162
      @hackfleischking5162 Před 5 měsíci +1

      His parents might still die. The order will still be active searching for voldemord.They might even try to torture the location of harry out of them.

    • @kylecollins3755
      @kylecollins3755 Před 5 měsíci

      @@hackfleischking5162 That’s a fair point. I was thinking more in terms of the death eaters going underground, but I think you’re right.

    • @hackfleischking5162
      @hackfleischking5162 Před 5 měsíci

      @@kylecollins3755 yeah I like this video but I have to disagree in the point that death eaters would just hide. The reason they got caught was that their leader vanished and the organization broke apart. Some death eaters became traitors. If voldemort isn't gone he has years to prepare for the fight. He already has people in the ministry under the imperious curse. Additionally he knows that harry will become more dangerous the older he gets. Taking him out has the highest priority.

  • @Kayd2111
    @Kayd2111 Před 5 měsíci

    I would LOVE for them to explore some different ideas tbh. Idk about Slytherin Harry, but cannot wait to see what they do with the series.

  • @Dombledore11
    @Dombledore11 Před 5 měsíci

    Favorite videos on CZcams are the Carlin Bros Potter theories

  • @sanaljoy5017
    @sanaljoy5017 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Have you abandoned "Name of the Wind"? I delved into the Kingkiller Chronicles based on your recommendation, only to find myself immersed in an unfinished narrative. Could you consider creating a video regarding it occasionally?

  • @misterdoctor308
    @misterdoctor308 Před 5 měsíci

    2 VOLDE laughs and the Basilisk jump scare?! Best video ever

  • @hufflepom
    @hufflepom Před 5 měsíci +3

    So we know Harry is a descendent of Ignotus (cloak) and Voldemort is a descendent of Cadmus (stone). Does Antioch (the wand) have a descendent that we know? Who is it? Could it be Dumbledore and that’s why he can master the wand? Or someone else?

    • @elinakeranen4499
      @elinakeranen4499 Před 5 měsíci

      Anyone can master the wand by winning it from the previous owner, that's it's whole point.

    • @hufflepom
      @hufflepom Před 5 měsíci

      @@elinakeranen4499 anyone could use the cloak, but it works extra well for Harry. Any wizard can use any wand. I’m just curious if a descendent of Antioch would have better luck with the wand even if they didn’t win it. Much like Hermione’s wand was more compatible with Harry than the blackthorn wand.

  • @sonorangaming4450
    @sonorangaming4450 Před 5 měsíci

    Ground up scenario should be how the show works out. There is so much more to the Wizarding world for us to see. We dont need a re-telling, even if more faithful.

  • @yayajosh
    @yayajosh Před 5 měsíci +1

    Once again, Harry talking to Dumbledore at King’s Cross is Harry’s own imagination of Dumbledore. Dumbledore died and did not return to chat.

  • @EnderMayer
    @EnderMayer Před 5 měsíci +1

    First what if (hopefully out of many) of the year!

  • @youtubeSuckssNow
    @youtubeSuckssNow Před 5 měsíci +1

    Would Ron have been sorted into Slytherin if he weren't a Weasley?
    He embodies them perfectly. He is crude and brash, he is jealous of Harry, he wants glory and power, he is scared and not really brave.
    It seems like the hat didnt really read him.

  • @christinapolander4025
    @christinapolander4025 Před 5 měsíci

    I would watch a "what if Harry was in Slytherin" TV show from inception to finish and probably a hundred more times. I loved how that one panned out

  • @jennahunt6861
    @jennahunt6861 Před 5 měsíci

    Yall should do a series on fanfic tropes. 😊

  • @velieaux
    @velieaux Před 5 měsíci

    Love these videos! Only thing I’m curious about is how could Harry have gotten into the Changer of Secrets if Voldemort never transferred his powers to Harry?

  • @antonangelov3855
    @antonangelov3855 Před 4 měsíci

    Man, the third brother's got game! Imagine being invisible your entire life, but still manage to start a family.

  • @ajwinberg
    @ajwinberg Před 5 měsíci

    I can't wait for part two. 😊

  • @jediknight8862
    @jediknight8862 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Heyyyy Brother!!!! Very interesting theory can’t wait for Part 2!!!! I think if James still had the cloak with him than 100% he would give it to Lily and both her and Harry would hide under the cloak to hide from Voldemort to make sure that Harry is 100% safe than Lily can signal the Order to find her after Voldemort leaves.
    But WHAT IF Sirius Black was the Secret Keeper instead of Pettigrew??? Because Lily and James wanted Sirius to be their Secret Keeper but Sirius suggests Peter BUT what if Sirius agrees with the Potters and becomes the Secret Keeper instead of Pettigrew?

  • @karenwapinski4822
    @karenwapinski4822 Před 5 měsíci

    Honestly ever since I watched the what if Harry was in Slytherin videos I have always thought it would make an excellent series! It's true to the spirit of the original and thanks to your big plan deep dive I feel like it still covered all the main points without any plot holes but it's different enough that fans would have something new to engage with while still getting to enjoy the characters they fell in love with. (There were so many highlights but personally the Harry/Hermione, Ron/Luna pairings were much better for me than the Harry/Ginny one that got forced in during the sixth book and had way better development, and the scenes of Harry riding the basilisk in the lake and Ron using the flaming sword were such interesting concepts! I also really love how you guys really gave Draco a chance to be a more sympathetic character and gave him an arc.) I thought it would have worked especially well as an animated series so the special effects budget could be essentially unlimited and really bring it all to life in a way the movies just can't in live action without spending just insane amounts of money.

  • @charleslee8313
    @charleslee8313 Před 5 měsíci

    The "What if" episodes which have at least 1 installment are always fun.

  • @GrimReaperPTD
    @GrimReaperPTD Před 5 měsíci +1

    The biggest plot hole was always if Lilly and James Potter were as gifted in wizardry as they say why could they not place a Fidelius Charm on a trunk like Moody's trunk that could have an entire apartment/house inside as a safe house and the secret keeper could have been Lilly or James so when they are in there no one can find them. This trunk could have been kept in Dumbledore office if they then wanted to. Also why did Voldemort not use the Fedelius charm on the Horcuxes.

  • @0hReactions
    @0hReactions Před 4 měsíci +1

    my head cannon is in chamber when Dumbledore can seemingly see Ron and Harry through the cloak, is actually because Dumbledore can see the Nargles / Wrackspurts flying around them

    • @Miss_Myth
      @Miss_Myth Před 4 měsíci

      LOVE this! Headcanon accepted! ❤😎

  • @Sinnohvj
    @Sinnohvj Před 4 měsíci

    QOTD: i think you guys are brilliant and should make your own what if storys i think the majority like the what if and dumbeldore big plan so i would say go for it!

  • @aceospades6570
    @aceospades6570 Před 5 měsíci +4

    What if Voldemort weren't foolish in his plans? How could his ideas be different if he were smart enough to plan a wedding (please tell me you got the joke)?

  • @nobodyfamousX
    @nobodyfamousX Před 5 měsíci

    Part one? Another alternate reality series? I love it.

  • @Lilswiftie2333
    @Lilswiftie2333 Před 4 měsíci

    I would love your take on: what if Harry had opened the two way mirror Sirius gives him / uses it to check on him instead of the fire at the end of Order of the Phoenix?

  • @devonstidham9234
    @devonstidham9234 Před 5 měsíci

    didnt see this pop up tell i saw part 2! great what if

  • @bailatwerski2951
    @bailatwerski2951 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Oh I definitely like your version of the story of Harry Potter!!! Absolutely way more interesting

  • @crazysasha1374
    @crazysasha1374 Před 5 měsíci

    OooOoooh! What a great alternate story! Very interesting things are happening, I love that Voldemort's attack on Harry that marks him is so public and After he befriends Ron and Hermione.
    At first I would have thought that Lily hides herself with Harry and runs away, but I do like how this plays out.

  • @Nanalagoon
    @Nanalagoon Před 5 měsíci +1

    Sounds like a pretty interesting theory!

  • @jessicabeveridge1398
    @jessicabeveridge1398 Před 3 měsíci

    I would love to see a timeline on who has possession of this cloak in history and their adventures

  • @Zack-dw5op
    @Zack-dw5op Před 5 měsíci

    I would absolutely love a new storyline, as long as it keeps to the same roots, like your what ifs

  • @mikebrown1881
    @mikebrown1881 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Harry follow Ron, the Basilisc appears, Harry doesn’t know he sould not look the snake in the eyes (and cannot summon the phenix, the Sorting Hat and the sword of Griffindor because he isn’t loyal to Dumbledore yet), Harry dies, the end ^^

  • @Master5522111
    @Master5522111 Před 5 měsíci

    I am sincerely hoping that you get to turn your longer What Ifs until full length HBO series with multiple seasons

  • @patrickdematosribeiro1845
    @patrickdematosribeiro1845 Před 5 měsíci +1

    If Voldemort knew Harry was in the house, but couldn't find him, he could use Fiendfire to destroy the house and everybody in it. If he did would the cloak and or Lily's sacrifice be able to protect Harry?

  • @ishbish4115
    @ishbish4115 Před 5 měsíci

    Hey J and Ben, I was thinking of a suggestion for a 7 part theory: What If all the Potters survived that night
    I think that a few things that could start it off are the following:
    Death Eater activity is NOT halted, and carries on
    Peter Pettigrew is NOT successfully hunted down by Sirius, and so does not go to Azkaban
    Either Lupin or Sirius becomes the new Secret Keeper for the Potters
    The Potters are known by the Wizarding World as 'The Potters that got away'
    Harry grows up knowing everything about Voldemort, still not afraid of him (Harry still says Voldemort, not You-know-who)
    Harry is immediately friends with Ron as James and Lily are part of the Order, along with the Weasleys and so Ron and his brothers have been told about the Potters from their parents
    Harry is friends with Neville due to the same reason as Ron
    Malfoy comes to school as a little more quiet, as it is now widely known that his parent's are suspected to be Death Eater's
    ALSO, here are some things to make sure to include:
    In Harry's 3rd year, even if you guys take it to James and Lily dying before this, Sirius is not in prison so Harry can go to Hogsmeade
    Harry knows about all the secret passages in Hogwarts, and still has the cloak in his possession
    Harry knows quite a lot about magic and so is the 2nd best student in their year by far (2nd to Hermione)

  • @chrisdtgordon5331
    @chrisdtgordon5331 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I would love to see Harry in Slytherin. More Basilisk! More Cedric (well, for one year)! HARMOINE!

    • @fidelianerina
      @fidelianerina Před 5 měsíci

      They did a series on that already. Just look at their playlists and you will find that!

  • @charlesNYMets
    @charlesNYMets Před 5 měsíci +2

    What if Peter never betrayed the Potters and well everyone he ever knew

  • @noelle_reads_alot
    @noelle_reads_alot Před 5 měsíci +1

    3:51 but now I need the theory

  • @_pearl_
    @_pearl_ Před 5 měsíci

    Oo this is really interesting!

  • @Aivi_xoxo
    @Aivi_xoxo Před 5 měsíci +9

    What if Snape never overheard the prophecy and told Voldemort? That would change so much like Snape never being a spy, neither would Peter, and James and Lily surviving. I'd love to see your ideas on that.

    • @melindoranightsilver9298
      @melindoranightsilver9298 Před 5 měsíci

      Peter still would have been a spy. Voldemort was powerful and that was just the type of person Peter flocked to. Plus any info Peter could have provided would have been an advantage to Voldemort. Peter could sit in order meetings where Snape could not.

    • @blankahegyi5561
      @blankahegyi5561 Před 5 měsíci

      I want to see a video on this. This whould be so fun.

    • @sullisen
      @sullisen Před 5 měsíci

      Well he has to find out somehow, at least in the canon wording of the prophecy or else he can't mark the chosen one as his equal. So he would still have learned it through whatever means and still gone after the Potter's, likely still killing James and Lily

    • @blankahegyi5561
      @blankahegyi5561 Před 5 měsíci

      @@sullisen But if he finds out later things will change. Like if he finds out in 2 months nothing really changes but if he finds out 2 years later things will absolutly change.

    • @sullisen
      @sullisen Před 4 měsíci

      @@blankahegyi5561 oh for sure. Presumably him not finding out right away means the Potter's won't go into hiding and significantly Dumbledore might not be learn that he finds out when he eventually does. If that happens before Harry graduates hogwarts I'd think he'd still want to strike right away but this time he can plan it so the whole family isn't there, optimally when Harry is alone but I think Lily's sacrifice is part of it so I'd think he tries sometime whilst Lily was alone with Harry, she'd still sacrifice herself but then Harry would still have James and a James with a burning desire for vengeance at that..
      Or things could have happened prior to him finding out that would make him think Neville was the more likely chosen one and thus mark him instead.
      I can't actually recall if we're told what Dumbledore thinks about the whole prophecy thing prior to learning Snape has told Voldemort, who has chosen the Potter's.. We know he's generally skeptical about divination so thinking himself to be the only one to have heard, he might never say anything about it. If he takes the prophecy seriously though he must realise someone else has heard, or somehow he himself WILL inevitably reveal it since the dark lord must find out for the prophecy to be well.. A prophecy..
      This makes me wonder how exactly prophecies end up in the hall of prophecies in the department of mysteries.. Would someone have to share it with an unspeakable? Unmentionable? Whatever. Or do they just magically kinda.. Appear in there? 🤔