Top 5 Favorite Kingkiller Chronicles Theories

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  • čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
  • Today Zack talks about his favorite KKC theories that he subscribes to on his rereads.
    0:00- Intro
    02:34 -Theory 1
    05:05 -Theory 2
    06:50 -Theory 3
    08:30 -Theory 4
    10:04 -Theory 5
    13:36 -Outro
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  • @CapturedInWords
    @CapturedInWords Před 3 lety +56

    Great video, love all these theories!

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety +12

      Wow! Thank you for watching the video and saying such nice things! Your videos are so much fun! Keep doing what your doing!

  • @swissonrye802
    @swissonrye802 Před 3 lety +57

    My favorite theory so far is that the book will be released before i die lol

  • @danielbell4007
    @danielbell4007 Před 3 lety +8

    Puppet likely knows the name of fire, and/or maintains sympathetic links to multiple candles around the university to observe for potential presence of one or more of the chandrian.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety +1

      I have been thinking about this actually a lot. It makes total sense in many ways.

  • @calliea735
    @calliea735 Před 3 lety +13

    One of my favourite moments is that small Interlude in Name of the wind, when Bast points out that Deana had a crooked nose, perhaps she’s not as beautiful as Kvothe likes to remember? ;)

    • @gholamdapantaloonsniffer8218
      @gholamdapantaloonsniffer8218 Před 2 lety +2

      Idk a crooked nose doesn't mean someone isn't beautiful and then again even if she wasn't "beautiful" in the normal sense, she could be beautiful in the eyes of Kvothe?

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana Před 2 lety

      love that too, bast is my favorit and there is just a delightful pettyness in trashtalking someone the one he admires is obcessed with in turn

    • @toriandtilly
      @toriandtilly Před 2 lety +2

      I am thinking that its not that she isnt beautiful but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Shes probably beautiful but to Kvothe she is the *most* beautiful

  • @johnyfastr
    @johnyfastr Před 3 lety +17

    Some fun theory’s, but Kvothe lying or making it up doesn’t really seem to hold much water. Why would an elf be his student if he was just some inn keeper spinning stories. Plus he fights the Scrael in front of Chronicler. He pretty much breaks his note keeping cipher in minutes and they both been to the University. Chronicler would know if he was even slightly off about some of the details at the University. So even if he’s embellishing the vast majority of the story has to be somewhat true. I’d have to say my favorite theory is that Denna’s patron is Brayden.

    • @fautogomez1758
      @fautogomez1758 Před 3 lety +1

      The fae are not Elf’s. Not by a long shot

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana Před 2 lety

      @@fautogomez1758 really depends on your definition, fae is pretty much everything otherworldly so the typical from tolkin copied fantasy elfs are definitly fae

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana Před 2 lety +1

      well, he is very obviously a biased narrator, as beautifuly showen with the example of Denna who gets put on an unreachably high pedestal, where Bast injects, that she really was not that beautiful and Kvothe can not realy argue against it.
      The thing is not, is he all lying or not, but where is he lying, where does he embelish and where is he true to what happened.
      Changing up a dialogue, connecting to seperate points to draw the narrative togeather, chosing his words so the reader comes to a wrong conclusion. I am sure as hell hat he zensores stuff and embalishes others to make him or someone else look better or worse.

    • @toriandtilly
      @toriandtilly Před 2 lety +2

      I agree that hes not making it all up but I do think he could be taking creative liberties with parts to make a better story... especially with the way he spread lies and rumors about himself in his own story to gain reputation it would shock me if he was being 100% truthfull

    • @aaronbates5242
      @aaronbates5242 Před 2 lety +1

      Not necessarily lying, but Kvothe states he is an excellent storyteller and starts rumors about himself all the time. Also, when Kvothe 1st meets Brayden he describes him as appearing grey or as "ash"...he walks with a cane as well...i definitely believe he is Master Ash...i think the king Kvothe kills is either Ambrose or it causes Ambrose to ascend to the throne. Denna is a princess or high noble and will be obliged to marry Ambrose. I believe Kvothe accidentally killed her while trying to cure her chest related illness. She is definitely dead...while Chronicler, Bast and Kvothe are speaking of her it is ALWAYS is the past tense. Denna has her own magic...whatever she writes down becomes true to whomever reads it (this special power is mentioned at least twice)...thus Master Ash tells her the "other vesion" of the Chandrian.

  • @WhylS
    @WhylS Před 3 lety +7

    I have the idea that Master Lorren is an Adem. My idea base on things like he is never show his emotions.

  • @thekwjiboo
    @thekwjiboo Před rokem +2

    We've never actually directly witnessed any chandrian, outside Cinder being a jerk, do anything bad though. It's implied that they killed Kvothe's troupe, but he didn't actually witness it. Same with the farm, Denna didn't see any Chandrian kill anyone.

  • @alexcameron_
    @alexcameron_ Před 2 lety +3

    Im just waiting for the scene where kvothe tells bast that he is his father.😵

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 2 lety +1

      That is an interesting theory, I would be surprised when it happens. Especially since we don't know what the word Reshi means at all.

  • @aglom69
    @aglom69 Před 3 lety +7

    I think my favorite theory is that tinfoil has been replaced by aluminum foil so that we can no longer easily protect ourselves from mind attacks.

  • @redactedxx4219
    @redactedxx4219 Před 2 lety +2

    Love these! Others I like are Kvothe being a Chandrian and silence being his sign. The Chandrian are all tragic figures and we know that at least two others maybe visited that certain tree that sent them on a tragic path ( Jax and possibly Cinder) . So maybe Kvothe kills one and becomes one.
    Or Kvothe hid his own abilities away from himself and can't just be reminded like Bast wants. Or Kvothe made that pact with Denna to never look for her patron and swore on his power and name, but he does and loses both.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 2 lety

      This is a great thing to think about. I love the theory he might be a Chandrian and their are hints to it but we shall see if it happens.

  • @nf6386
    @nf6386 Před 3 lety +7

    Great video, thanks for reminding me how much I love those books! Here are a few extra theories for you: 1. Chronicler is not just a Lackless (Lochees), he is also bait for some kind of ultimate showdown planned by Kote in the present, following the recitation of the Chandrians’ names at the end of the Ademre chapters. 2. The “king” Kvothe kills is actually Sim, the only aristocrat we get to know well, and also the only poet (Kvothe’s sword is the “poet-killer”, and perhaps his machinations against Ambrose cause retaliation against Fela, resulting in a falling out with Sim, also Kvothe has already faced 2 of 3 “wise man’s fears”: the sea in storm, the moonless night, but not yet the wrath of a gentle man). 3. Lady Lackless’ husband’s “rocks” are magical warding stones, like those shown by Kilvin, which create a magical barrier to... do something, 4. The story of the commoner who saved the ill princess was Cinder, hence the tree (tragedy/Cthaeae) in the background of his image, 5. It all comes back to Yll: Kvothe has Yllish blood, hence Lorren’s agent mistakes him for Yllish, and Stanchion shares his red hair, irony when Denna tells him “even Yllish people don’t speak Yllish anymore”; maybe Cinder was Kvothe’s illegitimate father (“he ‘did things’ to his mother”, but the scrupulously truthful yet deviously misleading Cthaeae never said they weren’t consensual things), was also Yllish, hence his image over water as having arrived from an island, also originally had red hair which turned white with age (Mr Ash/Cinder, a spent flame).

  • @IrishCollegeGirl
    @IrishCollegeGirl Před 3 lety +2

    Another place with KKC content! Huzzah!
    I totally didn't know that Tunnel Bob story, so thanks for bringing it up and linking it!
    One interesting tidbit, the theory of "Ring Around the Rosie" & the plague has been disproven. It turns out that the plague/black death explanation was just someone's crackpot theory from 1961 (that's 600 years after the song started) that got popularized, but has been disproven as there is no evidence to support it.
    Anywho, keep up the KKC work!

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      I have plenty of KKC stuff planned in the future. It is always fun to find new places that love the same stuff as yourself.
      I actually did some more digging on this and your are 100% correct on this matter about Ring Around the Rosie. It is still interesting that has been such a persistent urban legend. Maybe something similar might happen with some of the information about The Chandrian. Who knows but thank you for that information.

  • @matthewspencer2094
    @matthewspencer2094 Před 2 lety

    I like the idea that the Chandrian want to be forgotten because of the Cthaeh... they are trying to remove their influence.

  • @nyaatama8529
    @nyaatama8529 Před 3 lety +2

    One thing I found that is probably wrong, the song was about his mother and not her sister. About her running off with a Ru

  • @ssusanchef1047
    @ssusanchef1047 Před 3 lety +3

    I don't think Puppet is a student. He is some sort of functionary but mostly a mystery. Fun video, thanks!

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      My understanding was he was a former student that went to the crockery. I might be wrong, I will have to go back and check. I believe he totally serves a function in some way as well. Thank you for watching the video and commenting.

  • @sipholukhele290
    @sipholukhele290 Před 3 lety +4

    Nice channel, bro, so glad I found it. Now excuse me as I begin to binge watch all your content😅

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy your stay!

  • @fastgav
    @fastgav Před 3 lety +11

    My favorite one is that Bast is really Kvothe's love child with Felorian.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety +5

      That is a good one. Patrick Rothfuss has gone on record that he won’t reveal what Reshi means until book 3.

    • @fastgav
      @fastgav Před 3 lety +2

      @@MiddleFantasy the best part is if it is true I don't think that Kvothe knows it. Because I think Bast, and this could be wrong, is short for bastard, and I don't think that Kvothe would knowingly call his own son that.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety +3

      I also think Kvothe would be a terrible father.

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana Před 2 lety +1

      @@fastgav bast is short for bastas, his fathers name is given in his introduction and he does not apear to be fond of felurian as it seams in the lightning tree

    • @fastgav
      @fastgav Před 2 lety

      @@SingingSealRiana someone that is Fae cannot lie but it isn't Bast that gives this introduction, it is Kvothe. We also know that Bast is pretty good at half truths and misdirection. Also just because he has negative feelings for Felurian doesn't mean she isn't his mother.

  • @abcarlson3293
    @abcarlson3293 Před rokem +2

    Master Lorren knew Kvothes pops and spoke of Arliden in a past tense at Kvothes 1st admission. Very sketchy.

  • @johnmontag
    @johnmontag Před 3 lety +4

    Please more Kingkiller content

  • @josephradtke310
    @josephradtke310 Před 3 lety +2

    Anyone else notice that the word edro is also used in the 1970's lord of the rings cartoon to try and open the door to Dwarven kingdom

  • @caopyp
    @caopyp Před 2 lety +3

    My theories is Kvothe lost magic power because He change his really name.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 2 lety

      We shall see, I am interested to get the full picture and find out really what has been happening.

  • @selberkeeng6531
    @selberkeeng6531 Před 3 lety +1

    skarpi is an amyr, or powerful enough that the chandrian wants no business with him, like he knows the true story of lanre but the chandrian seems to not know about him, or his story is just another faerie story that the chandrians doesn't care about it but kvothe believed it to be true..

  • @MattBirtmanAnythingGoes
    @MattBirtmanAnythingGoes Před 3 lety +1

    My issue with the Kvothe lying about the whole story theory is that he’s telling it as Kote and you see him struggling with his identity and even struggling with death and stuff so I feel like he has no need to lie or to give completely false things. We see him not able to do any sympathy or much of anything during all of the fights that occur in the current timeline and it just feels like he’s resigned to who he has become so it would be more lying to himself if he chose to just completely make up many parts of his story I think.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      Lying is actually a very fascinating subject. Because there are a lot of studies that go into the subject of lying and why people lie. www.webmd.com/balance/features/10-ways-catch-liar You can actually start to see how Kvothe could possibly be lying in terms of his story but to say he lied about the whole thing. I think would be an impossibility he has certainly embellished his story in a few places.

  • @ZebraActual
    @ZebraActual Před 3 lety +1

    The ONLY reason I can believe that Kvothe would kill a king is if that king caused the death of either Denna or Auri.. then NOTHING could stop him.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      I have always thought that he was the fall guy in terms of taking blame. We will have to RAFO for this sadly.

    • @lolman7574
      @lolman7574 Před 2 lety

      Nah denna doesn't die
      Bast saw him so shes alive

  • @taseenmuhtadi513
    @taseenmuhtadi513 Před 2 lety +1

    #2 turning out to be true would really shake things up, wouldn't it?

  • @deew187
    @deew187 Před 3 lety +1

    I've read the first and second book 5 or 6 times each. On my 3rd read through them, I marked every 7 word sentence that Kvothe and Denna say to each other. There's a lot

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      I only found this out once I got the Ebook version and soon realized how much work Rothfuss into every word.

    • @deew187
      @deew187 Před 3 lety

      @@MiddleFantasy its amazing. I started to count the 10 word sentences he says to other people but I never finished that one

  • @jordancrook8380
    @jordancrook8380 Před 3 lety +2

    Can you link to the doors of stone conspiracy board pic? That is hilarious.

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      Ill make it accessible very soon to everyone. I did not know people loved my photoshops so much. 😂

  • @joshuamaher614
    @joshuamaher614 Před 2 lety +1

    I got two minutes in and realised he hadn't even started.... bye

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 2 lety

      I am sorry you feel that way. I hope you have a fantastic day.

  • @Looser1121
    @Looser1121 Před 3 lety +1

    I stopped counting at my 22nd reread that was 5 years ago

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      I should really buy one of those clickers to count people but count the rereads. It would be worth every single Talent !

  • @pocket5349
    @pocket5349 Před rokem

    A big problem I have with kvothe embellishing the story is most of what’s told by other people are more interesting lol. He walks back alot of the crazy things that are told by other people. Why would he end the bloodless rumor and others just to make up others that don’t make him look as great/interesting. Sure there can be things he remembered different than others but thats still true to perspective. If kvothe is just lying that makes for such a dumb story lol. A story about a guy who everyone already thinks is god, telling his own story to make him sound good even though everyone already reveres him just seems redundant.

  • @Kade-lc3jz
    @Kade-lc3jz Před 3 lety +1

    Anyone else notice the doors of stone book in the background?!?!?

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      Actually, Doors of Stone was not in shot because it is actually under my tin foil hat.

  • @remensviel2342
    @remensviel2342 Před 3 lety +2

    i actually think all the masters are amyr

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      Why do you think that?

    • @remensviel2342
      @remensviel2342 Před 3 lety +1

      ​@@MiddleFantasy something that i saw on a captured in the words video
      its was in his 7 chandrian video (time stamp 8:53), doesnt actually give any real evidence but just thought it was a cool thing to think about

    • @remensviel2342
      @remensviel2342 Před 3 lety +1

      @@MiddleFantasy and at one point in the first book it says that there still could be a group of amyr
      group equals = at least 2 or more

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 3 lety

      That is a possibility the best play to defeat an enemy is to control the flow of information and perception.
      I have always been under the impression that the Amyr are actually much like the assassins in Assassins Creed. They come from all walks of life and are able to blend in to all societies.

    • @remensviel2342
      @remensviel2342 Před 3 lety +1

      @@MiddleFantasy exactly, what's a more genius way that the amyr could hide than for them to hide in plain sight
      and maybe they run the university as an excuse to guard a certain door?????

  • @lolman7574
    @lolman7574 Před 2 lety

    I highly doubt the chandrian arent the villians
    In the book Haliax literally tells cinder to put kvothe to sleep
    Meaning kill him
    His objective is to kill everyone

    • @MiddleFantasy
      @MiddleFantasy  Před 2 lety

      In theory Haliax did put Kvothe to sleep, he never said kill either. The rest of the story up until the university. Kvothe is in the door of sleep, forgetfulness and when his lute is broken he briefly enters the door of madness. He is also close to the door of death when he is nearly killed by the guard.
      Notice how Cinder is described in the chapter or more importantly his sword. Not a drop of blood on his sword.

  • @edwardmorgan8371
    @edwardmorgan8371 Před 2 lety

    Watch the movie The Big Fish....a great storyteller ala. kvothe

  • @christophercoydev
    @christophercoydev Před 3 lety +1

    pronounce Kvothe with a V, not a U. Pat has answered this question

    • @lolman7574
      @lolman7574 Před 2 lety

      The book literally says how its pronounced
      Quouthe

    • @christophercoydev
      @christophercoydev Před 2 lety

      @@lolman7574 czcams.com/video/_80uQPaDax8/video.html here, listen carefully

    • @lolman7574
      @lolman7574 Před 2 lety

      @@christophercoydev I will not waste my time on some youtube video. I dont care how other people think his name is pronounced
      Open the name of the wind page 53 it literally has Kvothe saying that his name is pronounced "quothe" so am I going to listen to the person whose name is kvothe or should I listen to some random dude on youtube?

    • @christophercoydev
      @christophercoydev Před 2 lety

      @@lolman7574 I totally understand and I don't see why it's different there, either. But these aren't random these are the author and the person who reads his books on audible. It's not random. Ask the author

    • @christophercoydev
      @christophercoydev Před 2 lety

      The quote from the book is "pronounced nearly the same as Quothe" which is exactly what the author says in his blog that I linked above. READ THE AUTHOR'S ANSWER