Hotline Miami 2 Wrong Number: A Guided Tour
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Here's a big, detailed review of Hotline Miami 2. It focuses on mechanics and level design, and ties these back to the game's themes.
"""Vibes"""" and video sources: • Hotline Miami Research
Notes and script available at: www.coolgames.zip
My Bandcamp, since people have been asking: owenc.bandcamp.com
Chapters
00:00:00 Spoiler warning and introduction
00:02:03 Title screen and tutorial
00:04:27 1. Welcome back to beautiful Miami Florida
00:20:10 2. Wrong Number as a sequel
00:32:02 3. New systems, new problems (technical issues)
00:50:19 4. Story vs. video game (themes, in detail)
01:10:56 5. All the levels are so long (level design)
01:30:09 6. Pointless structure (some little things)
01:36:16 7. APOCALYPSE (conclusion)
the fast forward part after Subway refused to render with sound. Don't know why. - Hry
I love how many times the phrase 'the best song in the game' is spoken in this video. God this game's soundtrack is so good.
only other instance of this i can name is projared saying every other song in ff6 is his favorite
even when most of those songs aren't slam shuffle >:c
but no mention of she swallowed burning coals :(
The instant dog melee kills actually depend on if the dog is lunging at you or not. When it lunges and you attack, you catch it and do the slow animation. When you hit it while its just roaming, the kill is instant.
Thanks for pointing that out, I knew there had to be some logic but I couldn't see it.
I feel vindicated, fists only final stage as the son made me very angy at dogs.
You can kill the dogs quickly every time if you punch away from them as you run at them.
I have been meditating on this game in a cave since I lost all my money on ape enn eff tees. I broke into a library last night to make this video. It's a little all over the place but I think it comes together by the end. The next one won't take six months :)
Errors (SPOILER WARNING):
There are multiple nukes; the one that kills Beard is not the same one that kills everyone else. I neglected the location/date cards that show up before most cutscenes, and assumed that there was just one bomb/bombing that killed everybody, if you look at the cards Beard dies in 1986. I projected my thoughts about nuclear war onto the game, and assumed that if one nuke fell that indicated the whole world was ending. In FACT, the whole cast does die during the credits scene, sans Beard.
The dog kill animation plays out only if the dogs are lunging at you. It's actually a good design choice, since the animation plays out only if you alert the dogs. If you can manage a stealth kill you're rewarded with a faster kill.
Other things people have pointed out:
Some people have noted that the very last section is especially hard on the eyes, if you are sensitive to such things feel free to scroll down or tab out.
But I thought you could just use three slurp juices on one ape to make three more apes
@@vfxninja5503 damn it, you're a financial genius
“What if the Fans are just new apes created from 50 Blessings applying slurp juice to Jacket?”
-Bloomberg
@@vfxninja5503 Using multiple slurp juice on the same ape just further increases the number of apes, resulting in every ape in the market becoming less valuable. Thanks to people like you, a loaf of bread now costs ten thousand apes!
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YES. ITS HERE. Even if these videos are hard to make, I want you to know I will sit here and watch each and every one of them! I also want to ask if you've seen the downpour DLC for rain world. its gotten me super excited!
Hell yeah I have! Thanks for the support.
It’s also said to be bigger than the base game, with 5 new characters. Insanity.
@@chinbag ITS 10 NEW AREAS. the base game has 12. and its got safari and a ton of other stuff. It is the thing i most look forward to in life at the moment.
@@JimmyMcG33 Awesome! and no problem, us rain world fans stick together lol.
Is the Rain World DLC scheduled to also come to the Switch?
Just a sidenote to No Mercy: It does tie in to the larger plot, as Henchman lets a Columbian live, who in turn notifies the Fans. It is the place where they fixed their van, after all. This information in turn leads to the Fans killing Henchman, obtaining his mobile phone and being 'invited' by Son, who is grief-stricken by Henchman's disappearance and apparant refusal to answer him on the phone.
I will say that there's one big mistake for the story here. It wasn't the same nuke that you see kill Glasses, it was the first. After the war in Hawaii Russia nuked San Francisco in a retaliatory strike. It's why he's dead in Jacket's later hallucinations, and likely why he joined 50 Blessings. The second one was in response to the slaughter of the Russian leaders, and it wasn't just one. It's likely they wiped out the US.
It likely wont change your views on the game, but it's different at least.
You're right that I didn't pick up on that, pretty big mistake on my part to ignore about the time/date/location cards. Thank you for pointing that out.
@@JimmyMcG33 You're all good! I can see why you'd miss it, it's easy to miss especially if everything isn't vibing with you. My first playthrough was a lot like how you described yours and I missed most of the less obvious plotpoints, leaving it confusing and frustrating.
But I dunno. There's something to be said about choosing to frustrate the player to communicate something to them. Like Drakengard, Rule of Rose, or even Cruelty Squad, the active antagonization of the player's sense of what a game SHOULD be feels like a purposeful choice. One meant to solidify that meta aspect into the most important thing they want the player to think about, even as they dump almost all of the specifics of what happened in the background of the first game in your lap.
Sorry to ramble, I loved this video and I think your analysis is extremely great even if I don't agree with the conclusions. You have some FANTASTIC essayist chops and I'm looking forward to what you release next.
@@zeroanonymity9736 I'm all for games willing to experiment to make something unconventional, but for me all the annoying quirks Hotline Miami 2 has feel like a result of lack of focus during the development rather than some sort of meta-commentary
The first explosion ended the war. The next ended the world.
@@JimmyMcG33 One significant detail is the date upon which the nuclear blast hits Beard's shop. April 3rd 1986. In Hotline Miami 1, April 3rd 1989 is the date that Jacket receives his first phone call from 50 Blessings, and therefore the date that Jacket begins his campaign of violence. In the prologue, Richard asks Jacket whether the date April 3rd holds any significance to him. Hotline Miami deepens that significance. April 3rd is not simply the day Jacket becomes a serial killer. It's now also the day he loses his only friend. It's the day that San Francisco is destroyed, which lays the groundwork for the coalition between Russia and the USA, inciting 50 Blessings to act.
I was relistening to this video over some gameplay since it can be hard to find a good backdrop at times, and I found a couple more things to say than just "oh nice vid".
The music you made and played at the end was very good for it's purpose, whether you made it as it's own piece of crescendo or specifically for that part of the video, it was very fitting.
What I wanted to talk about (initially when I started writing this comment) was about Richter and his plotline. If I remember correctly, one of the writers lost their mom at some point roughly during HM2's development time (or some period shortly before). From what I understand, his story was more of a bit of self-reflection and grievance over losing her than just an expression of internalized violence amorally, although I do believe it's pretty good from that angle. I just think that's a bit of context that may help you understand that section of the game a bit more. Ultimately it can be more than just one or the other.
The irony of Hotline Miami 1 and 2 being so ahead of it's time is crazy in retrospect. 1 being monumental in the moment, inspiring a lot internet culture even to this day a decade later. 2 having a lot to say and being completely misunderstood in 2015 and receiving far better feedback over 5 years later (which is quite a bit later for a game made by a small team). It makes me wish that the duo had stuck it out and tried their hands at other projects after freeing themselves from the "shackles" of their cocaine cowboy beginnings. While the nuke has many purposes narratively, it was also a direct way for them to say "look, we've done Hotline Miami. Stop asking for more" in a rather literal way - I believe they said at some point it was one of the many motivations for ending the game like that.
After all the backlash, they kinda fell out of the public eye. Dennis eventually went silent, but Jonatan has kept somewhat active on Twitter, and has alluded to working off and on with a passion project since 2021. I think making the level editor in the midst of everyone complaining to them really broke their drive to make games, which is a damn shame to see from a duo that obviously had a lot they could deliver, and the sheer connections that would allow them to pull off just about anything they were interested in. On one hand I want to say "time will tell if they ever decide to release something, together or otherwise, again" but on the other I'm not so sure it will happen all this time later as it is.
I always wondered what happened with them after HM2. It really is a shame that they quit, but I understand why they did. Dennaton was something special.
I believe dennaton mentioned in an interview with Noclip that they were working on a new project and have also recently released the Hotline Miami Collection for PS5. So as far as I'm aware they are still working together.
I feel like a lot of the gameplay criticism of Hotline 2 comes down to how quickly you adapted to the emphasis on gunplay. On my first playthrough, I picked it up pretty fast and only struggled significantly with one level (Dead Ahead). There are some very annoying and downright bad things about Hotline 2 but I never felt like the gunplay emphasis was much of an issue. Some parts you noted as being bad I can't remember ever having problems with (Tony's first level, for example). I'm sure it's just a person to person thing but I was fine for most of the game
Tbf the focus of Gunplay was pretty clear when You play Pardo that has his whole gameplay revolving around never dropping guns because all his gun executions are faster than performing one without a gun.
The nuke at the end of Casualties is *NOT* the same nuke as the one at the end of Apocalypse. It is one dropped years earlier, kicking off 50 Blessings with the Russo-American Coalition.
I see Richard in HM2 as the devs talking to the players under guise of one character talking to the others. Everyone knows what happens when a piece of media known for violence gets sequels, it gets more and more intense until it hits the ceiling of suspension of disbelief. Tbh, that’s why I think they jumped straight to nukes in HM2, since there’s nowhere else for the hyperviolence to go afterward.
This was incredibly honest and thorough- definitely worth the wait. Definitely challenged, affirmed, and changed my views of this game. This was the first game that made me cry hahaha (the credits... not for the characters but just personal stuff- the importance, brevity, and senselessness of it all). Anyway, thank you very much Jimmy McGee.
34:04 I really like the point made here about the systems of the game not matching its themes, as someone who's loved and defended this game since its release most people articulate the problem as the game just being harder worse designed than the first, which to an extent I've always conceded, but the way you propose the idea of a different or nonexistent scoring system to match certain character's gameplay really fits in line with how I've viewed the game. The way the pacifist stages punish you for going berserk definitely could've been extrapolated to more of the levels.
also i made this comment before i finished the video so if you echo this same point, my bad
another proposal for this would be like manny having an inflated points counter without a multiplier, like his own killings mean everything, but the ways he gets into them in most of his sections dont support quick combos since he's killing in some odd places
or the fans having a cheapened system for points to display how they're more about just feeling cool for their killing rather than just the violence of it all
also this concept in the way you discuss the way the levels look is the same and i agree so completely that the game is lacking in ways that it connects its characters and story into the game you're actually playing
ok you use this as a whole thing my bad for talking too early
This was an amazing guided tour. I know I bounced off the first game since it requires more patience and accuracy I could muster, but these tours helped me understand what people fell in love with and also found difficult to deal with.
I feel like Wrong Number’s plot not being linear is what the fans don’t like. Not saying a game that requires you to watch a 40 minute CZcams video to understand the lore is good, but it solidified what Richard was saying to Jacket in HM1: you will never get to see the full picture.
It’s so interesting that I agree with just about everything you said, yet I walked away mostly loving Wrong Number, and I include both games in the series amongst my favorites. Fantastic analysis and video as always, once again flabbergasted at how your sub count hasn’t exploded yet.
EDIT: deleted an extra comment about something I see you’ve already addressed
Fucking hell man, how do you not have more subscribers?????? Your editing and writing are better than the majority of 'video essayists' that I've seen, not even exaggerating there. Good on ya for taking the time to provide an actually extensive review instead of taking a side for the whole video.
I finished the video for the first time after watching your video on the first game and this one over the course of a week, and I have to say they're fantastic! I don't agree with everything said about Wrong Number, but you explained your points extremely well and I can totally see why you feel the way you do about this game. I'm still very conflicted on wrong number myself, because while the first game was a more homogeneous fantastic experience, to me the highs of WN surpass the first game, but it also has a few very low moments (looking at you Dead Ahead and Stronghold), so I still have no idea whether I prefer the first game or not almost a year after playing them back to back for the first time. Hotline Miami 1 and 2 are going to be endlessly discussed for ages because there's so much to talk about. while I've made a video on HLM 1 myself, I didn't want to tackle Wrong Number right after because it's such a massive game, so it's very intimidating to talk about. but anyway, your videos were very interesting to watch, and I can't wait to see more from you. you gained a new subscriber.
*palpatine voice* "We will watch your career with great interest."
Comment 2: Wrong Number. I watched this entire video without stopping and my SINGLE issue with it is that some of the sped-up footage (particularly toward the very end of the video) hurts to look at. Hotline Miami already isn't particularly accessible for the photosensitive and some of those sequences were leagues more visually overwhelming than anything in the games. Besides that, I adored every second of this video and I'm so happy someone put so much of what I felt about this game into words. "I wish it were more fun". This channel is a gem.
Same, I had to focus on my second monitor the whole time because the sequence was genuinely hurting my eyes. Otherwise great vid. Probably the most critical of all the HM2 vids I've seen lately, and as someone who's basically only ever played an hour of HM1 and none of two, the diversity in opinions of the game is genuinely interesting.
Sorry about that. I got obsessed with the idea of running back through the entire HM timeline at the end and kind of just said 'fuck it' and sped the footage up to 12000% speed. I try to put effort into my visual communication and will keep this in mind in future videos.
"Don't look in a dark hole or you might fall in! Oops!" Truly one of the deepest insights to come from the renaissance.
the pacing in the video's editing is the kind you put on a demo reel to get a job. masterful work, jimmy
Another fantastic video, Jimmy. I genuinely really appreciate how well-paced your videos are. Your passion bleeds throughout. Thank you.
i find it crazy that i agree with your mechanical complaints, yet i vehemently disagree with you on the quality of hlm2 and vastly prefer playing it over the original. this even goes down to which levels i enjoy and which i detest in hlm2 - i absolutely hate seizure precisely because of its darkness, causing me to die to situations that, in any other level, would be a cakewalk, and love the brutlaly difficult, long levels like dead ahead and takeover for just how memorable they were and how much it felt like i was taking on an entire fortress and coming out on top.
11:39 77 hours in, I knew about two hitpoints, but had no idea about execution regenerating
hey jimmy, your videos are always one of the highlights of month, thank you for making them.
And when we needed him most, he returned with another banger.
I’ll never understand the reception HM2 got. To me it was a masterpiece the second I finished it.
I love video essays on games and movies and this has to be one of the best I've ever seen! People are seriously sleeping on your channel, I love this stuff! And you have a very easy voice to listen to
IM LITERALLY SO HAPPY THIS PART CAME OUT! thanks for all your hard work :))
Another fantastic video, I'm really happy you seem to be gaining traction ever since the Cruelty Squad tour. Your commentary on games is always nice to listen to, it's much more dense with info than most other videos on these games.
Another absolute banger, cant wait to see which of my favourite games you cover next
you genuinely make the best video essays on this entire hellscape of a site. love the mix of actually interesting analysis and JAMMIN BEATS
Excellent work again. It's nice to revisit this topic in depth after some of the other reviews I've seen only ever touch on one or two points. Looking forward to your next topic.
These videos fill the hole matthewmatosis left in my heart when he stopped his “gameplay and commentary” series. Love the writing here and your voice is very calming
Great video! Even though i prefer this game over the original, I still really like this video! I recently played these games mostly blind, save for the nuke twist being spoiled for me a while back, and i think your explanation of the issues of the gameplay of 2 really hits the nail on the head. I haven't seen anybody else talk about how Tony is introduced at an awful time or how annoying the weapon pickup mechanic is. i do think there are a few things wrong with this video, like not mentioning how awful the room dedicated to corey is in death wish, and completely glossing over jake's last level, but overall this is clearly a video with many long hours of heart and soul put into it. severely underrated channel.
i haven't even played this game but please god do not stop making these videos by far one of the best video game analysis channels out there. Reminds me of when I first discovered Jim Can't Swim or crowbcat or Every frame a Painting
Just got recommended this video and I instantly clicked and watched the whole thing. Really good stuff. Underrated channel for the amount of work you put in em.
Anyway, that's a proud sub.
always nice to see a new video from you!
been excited for this ever since watching the HM1 video, and it did not disappoint
So glad I found this channel through the Rain World video, your editing/commentary style is a delight. Thanks for another great video!
so so happy you're back, been waiting on this!
Oh hell yeah I plan to tuck into this with a snack later, your video essays are always really well done and so insightful.
It helps that the literal middle of the game is called "Climax", which goes with the whole 2nd half feeling odd.
-the rest is post nut clarity-
your videos are legit the best on youtube right now along with spectakoo in my opinion. Both under-rated
Wow, only 22 minutes into the video and it's helped me realize something. I always loved Evan's levels more than the others and wasn't sure why, I thought it might just be the novelty of playing a pacifist among a lineup of killers but really it was that /and/ playing as him being more like HM1 due to the focus on melee and faster ground kills. I never even picked up on how much HM2's gameplay changes irked me until you pointed them out, but yeah, it's a lot of little things that soured it for me.
I still played through the game and beat it again on hard mode, though, so I don't know what that says about me.
Edit: I forgot how Evan is revealed to be fucking ripped when he "goes berserk" and I love that character design choice. Man's got an eight pack.
Always making bangers McGee.
Really good video. I was struggling to explain how I felt about the game, even after multiple playthroughs, and this video encapsulated my thoughts perfectly.
This is the best Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number video review on this website
Excellent video, super happy to see you again!
Just got recommended this. Really enjoyed it, and I’ll start checking the back catalogue.
One of the best videos I’ve seen on the hotline Miami games. I thought this retrospective was interesting because I actually prefer wrong number over the first game but this video gave me a lot to think about. Keep up the good work 👍
When people say you have to "spray and pray" they are missing the point, you are suposed to "spritz and blitz".
Another absolute banger of a video
I love how well they have built this game's story
It's like the Pulp Fiction of games. The symbolism, the characters, the plot, everything works
Love your videos dude, keep it up
loved the video and your other ones. great stuff
Hell yes. Thanks for the new video man.
Oh shit, a new video! And on one of my favorite stories too!
i watched the whole thing and the little red button turned grey when i realized you kept me entertained for 2 full hours
I love that these reviews act as both a review and pseudo tutorial
Absolutely sick vid brother.
I am so glad to have stumbled both on you and FoulEnergy back to back.n
His editing may be fire, but your pen game is what video game analysis and journalism should be. Subbed.
I remember that Jake's mask was my favorite in HM1 and feeling very... put off by how it felt to use in HM2
You absolutly cannot slip a jerma snort sound effect past me. Excellent video, without a dobt.
Richard always encourages the characters to "chicken out"
“I gotta talk about the nuke so people don’t give me shit about not understanding it.”
Proceeds to not understand the nuke at the end. God damn I liked this video.
As a huge HLM2 fanboy I had to understand where the commentary was coming from, what might be an average fan of the game who didn’t put the hours into it as I have.
I gotta say though, the lack of using the “Look” mechanic to extend your field of Vision was killing me when you were talking about getting killed offscreen.
HOLY CRAP
IT'S HERE
THANK YOU
nice of the general to come in and inform the boys about the game they are in
every day jimmy mcgee posts is a good day
Thank you for another concise, well written and properly explained video Jimmy. Your passion for the game series really comes through with the amount of research and well developed arguments you make.
As an aside seeing how you like to explore the topic of games as an art form what's your opinion on Suda51 games?
There's a lot that's been said out there about his games, but I was curious what your take on his repertoire is.
Aw hell yeah pimp you make the best videos
i am very excited to watch this video ill tell you what i think when i finish it
this is a very good video
After I finished watching this, I have to admit I loved what I saw here. I was hesitant going into this because I know many people who often critique the gameplay don’t really take into account whatever masterful storytelling is on display (and I do love this game’s story-it’s one of my favorite stories when divorced from its gameplay). Even fewer take into account how said gameplay and story melt into one another and feed into a feedback loop, which I felt was accurately satisfied by this video both praising the risks Dennaton took with the game and also acknowledging when (very often) said risks didn’t work. Risks after all are risks for a reason, and HLM2 is a perfect example of a game to me that doesn’t make its risks work, albeit I define risk as basically anything deviating from HLM1. That game to me is perfect in basically every way that isn’t minor nitpicks or limitations with the game engine. I have to wonder if Dennaton knew how risky it was to create a game like this, because based on how much deliberate intent was poured into this game, I feel like on some level they knew this game would be controversial to their fanbase.
Either way, find it fascinating how thoroughly this video explores how the game both is and isn’t a perfect sequel and I am looking forward to your analysis and video essays in the future. Keep up the good work.
I really enjoy this style, especially the cruelty squad video (which I am yet to finish as I am playing through the game).
As always, great video!
I also wondered why in the Hawaii part of the game, the US army is sending commandos to take enemy bases by themselves with no support at all. The best explanation that I came with is that the war is getting dire for the US, so they have to take desperate mesures: just send the elites and at worst they'll cause a ruckus and gain some time.
That's a good point. Nobody in the war scenes seems very happy about how it's being run lol
the basic thread in the political plot post hawaii is that the russian government whooped the us hard and is now strong-arming them with the coalition. This pisses off the jingoistic 50 blessings alot
Basically they sent elites because a. Theyre elites and b. They’re incredibly desperate
During the hawaiian war the Russians are curbstomping the US turning the war into a Vietnam struggle only the US is the one doing the Vietcong this time
I really liked the last video about Hotline Miami and this one was really good too. If I could offer one piece of constructive criticism though, I did find myself struggling a bit to read the on screen dialogue text, as you tended to move through it a bit quickly. Though, most of the time it was super easy to just pause and take as much time as I needed, unless you were also speaking at the same time. Other than that, this was fantastic.
Hotline Miami 2 was a game I was happy to play and even happier to finish - but i was happiest that I didn't complete it the year it came out, because I'm fairly certain that in a period of extreme trauma i would have misinterpreted its ending in a way that would have led to what I can only charitably refer to as a bad outcome for me.
Best HM2 review on youtube!
HM1 is my fav indie and I played in the release day on my ps vita
I am platinum the second game on my ps5 for the 2 time and as I am older and more critic. I am not enjoying this game as much as I was in the past, sadly...
HM2 has great story and music.
But its a game after all.
The most important thing is the gameplay. And as a game.. its not really bad but I dont think I will ever play again really.
Even as HM2 was one of the games I ever played in my life thanks to the level editor.
I am really done with 2 in general.
But not with the one. The one is the one literally lol.
I dont really think I preefer something in the 2 over the 1 also.
Great video and channel overall!
But I didn't liked the very fast scenes at the ending and the long pauses with only gameplay.
Amazing video, man. I love the editing you did in tony's section of deathwish. Feels like the song was written with something like that in mind.
Also, I'm really not a fan of the ending of the game. Feels very rick and morty nihilistic. I hope you can find the time to play The Outer Wilds. It explores the polar opposite themes of Hotline Miami and is the only game that made me cry
I've heard enough about the Outer Wilds that I'm actively avoiding spoilers, definitely interested. Thanks for watching!
Am just sitting down to watch this. Am glad reading the comments that above all else, you gave the soundtrack the love it deserves. The game may not be the 10/10 that the original was, but the music sure as hell is.
"The best song in the game" is a good gag, love it
The other big problem with HM2 gameplay aside from the level design is the enemy AI. Their reaction time is basically halved from the first game and they move much faster, still encouraging baiting from a corner or by shooting a gun at the wall. The right screen from Hot&Heavy in HM1 has a similar level design to HM2 but that screen is much less frustrating because the enemies take longer to spot you, meaning that you have more time to shoot them or melee them.
Also I wished you talked about Hard mode and how it is even more stupid and frustrating than the base game, with weapons getting half the ammo every time you pick them up, so throwing guns to down enemies is even less appealing. Harder enemies show more on Hard but they do nothing but restrict you even more.
As for the story while I liked your analysis, in the end even if you understand everything the themes still don't come through because of two things. The characters are all boring, they are all joyless killers that are only remembered for their one meme sentence ("gotta get a grip" "I fucking hate these people" etc.), and they fail to communicate their themes unless you look at the larger picture. But even if you do, there are simply too many themes there. The game wants to be a metacommentary on the state of vidya fans and sequels, but also a war story and an autobiography, a prequel and a sequel, a deconstruction of violence in media, and it's too much. Ultimately the game works more (imo) as the story of a bunch of people who could have made the difference if they only looked a bit more far than their current situation (some of them could have pieced together that shit was about to go down and do something about it). The theme is focus, which is funny since it's what the game lacks in both story and gameplay.
you can just say you didn't get it
@@other_horizon1085 Here's the Hotline2babby cope. There is nothing to "get". The game's plot is just a bunch of shit thrown at a wall and hoping that something will stick. The characters are boring, the themes are all jumbled up and not cohesive, the ideas are explored only on a pretty surface level and the pacing is all over the place. This would be fine if the gameplay was even halfway decent, but even there there is nothing salvageable.
@@mariodoccia6129 yeah you didn't get it
It's hard to get it when an off-screen fucker kills you for 20th time already
@@mariodoccia6129 jeez the salt is real
T/y for another good video! While I enjoyed HLM2 a lot and genuinely appreciated it as More Hotline Miami (in every sense. More characters, more story, more guns, more giant levels with windows, so much more Hotline that you almost want to puke!), I think your criticisms are very valid and your observation that its critical re-evaluation is occurring in step with people not actually having to play it is very perceptive.
[I'm excited for this trend to continue and for the Kane and Lynch series to get the youtube redemption treatment next.]
Been waiting for this one. Thank you. Also, if it's your cup of tea, could you perhaps do videos on all four Arkham games?
Mr McGee knocks it out of the park again!
Htlm2 is basically "why are you here?" The game
Because it serves to tell the rest of the story but at the same time it questions you
Why keep going? Everyone is going to die if you keep going
The San Francisco nuke actually happened years before the Miami and Hawaii nukes at the end. It’s the reason for Jacket signing up for 50B
I'm a bit late on the vid but seeing your gameplay I totally get why you get killed offscreen. Use the shift key. Like 90% of the time. Also it looks like you pay a lot of attention to points which is something I never worried about or saw someone worry about. Combo sure, and that's all you need for S rank, but score itself is just flavor text.
To follow up with your last statement, I do think HM2 is perfect. As is HM1. One of the very few games I would give 10/10.
HM2 is not perfect lmao
@@DogeickBateman mfw opinions
@@GarryTale why are you so mad about this guy's like opinion man
@@J.DanielsThe3rd i said "my face when opinions"
i'm not sure that's being mad but maybe i conveyed the wrong feeling in my comment
You made an excellent analysis and critique. You thoroughly discussed the gameplay decisions that I clearly struggled with when the game came out either knowingly or subconsciously, and weaved those criticisms into a discussion of how the gameplay and narrative elements don't work holistically as they may have done with the original.
I wish I could say that much of my confusion with what the developers were trying to convey is because of this dissonance but I think I may largely just be a part of that particular group the Wiki editor was bemoaning. I'll just have to enjoy a literary analysis vicariously through CZcams. I believe the closing words were an incredibly tight synopsis of the previous 115 minutes that could only come from a very compassionate study and experience with the two games that helped me view them differently in retrospect. This closing segment also had the best song in the video.
Thanks! I have a really hard time analyzing stuff like this too and I think videos like mine project the idea that for certain people the themes/lore/whatever are immediately clear. It isn't fair to demand a huge critical undertaking from everybody who wants to share an opinion, I think anyone who wants to talk in good faith has a valuable perspective. My starting point for HM2 was basically "the vibe is off"
I dont 100% video games but hotline miami 1 and 2 are great games and i actually enjoyed getting all the achievements for them
I think the game is btter than the first one for five reasons:
1. Its masks arent broken
2. The music SLAPS (yes i dont like hydrogen)
3. Much more better story (yes it doesnt explain alot, but the comunity found all of the secrets.
4. The levels can be challange unlike the first game where you just breeze trough it
5. The level editor…
Story is much more convoluted than in the first game. Gameplay also sucks balls: levels being bigger with more reactive enemies and much more glass panes results in a bunch of off-screen deaths.
The levels are literally wide open liminal spaces, and given the way the camera functions in it compared to HM1, it's just designed to make you wander around like a bat
I know this is super late but the mule that kills beard isn’t the same nuke as the last one. I’m pretty sure the first nuke was dropped in California and that takes place before the events of the first game.
I enjoy that the nukes look like a burning film reel.
I recommend you check out Monaco: What's yours is mine. I think you would like the game, and the story would be great for a guided tour video. It gets compared to Hotline Miami sometimes, but they're very different games in all but the most subtle aspects. If you choose to play it, I HIGHLY recommend you play with friends for at least some of the game. The gameplay really has a chance to shine in multiplayer.
Sorry if recommendations for games are annoying, but I really think Monaco is something special, and is criminally underrated.
I never played the game, but I listen to songs from the soundtrack all the time. It's so strange to hear it over actual gameplay
Amazing video as always, but on a different note, you have to release the end song somewhere, because it's great and I would love to listen to it individually from the video!
Yes thanks bro. You can get the song at my Bandcamp owenc.bandcamp.com/track/architecture-of-the-dark and it should be on all the streaming services under the name 'Architecture of the Dark'.
I will probably release all the instrumentals at some point, if my singing doesn't agree with you lol.
i liked both games.
both are good.
I have absolutely nothing insightful to say. I would just like it to be know that you are a cool guy who makes good videos.
Now this is a video to be proud of. This video comes home and puts on jeans.
When you unlock the flamethrower for beard,you will understand his levels better
Beard is a real human bean
Solid video even if I don't agree with most of what you were saying. Nice job
Take a shot every time he says "the best song in the game "
Leaving this world isn't as scary as it sounds. Rest In Peace, Raymond Raposa.
You are the blood
Flowing through my fingers
All through the soil
Up in those trees
You are electricity
And you are light
You are sound itself
And you are flight