Pretty cool that Kicker has their manuals all the way to back then still on the site. In the mean time some companies can't even get specs published for their current products. Guess they have to wait for the cookie cutter to report back... 🍪👨🍳
Love some old school amps. These models are just a bit before my time. I started with two of the black Impulse amps, then got a ZR240. Kicker amps looked so awesome
I figured out why these chinese cookie cutter amps are all rated sopoorly, and why companies don't change them. You see, it cost nothing to add your brand or logo, website etc. They have white labels for that data input. However, to change the box, packaging, manual, etc... you must pay extra fees. Now company A has to charge more than company B with the same amp but lower numbers in the data. All is good so long as you are truthful correct? But wait... once consumers realize you have same amp, charging more. They will just go buy the liars amp anyways cause it is cheaper.
@@MurderousMindstate right.. If i "made" a amp from China.. They told me 50 watts rms.. I'd send it to someone.. If it put 30watts rms.. I'd call it 20 watts rma.. Even if it's rolling of a assembly line they all are not all the same.
I was in the 251-500 class in IASCA using these Kicker cheater amps. I was running 4 12" kickers running at 1 ohm and would shake the buildings I was next to. Kicker amps were beast back then.
I bought one in 1998 and loved it but what made me love kicker / stillwater designs was I was missing the cover cap and contacted them about buying one . They sent me one for free . Even the shipping they took care of . Miss those simpler times !
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Showing how some old school gear runs today is awesome. I was a teenager in 96 and just getting into car audio. I always swore that the older stuff sounded way better and louder than stuff available today. Maybe it's just euphoric recall. If you can get your hands on some Soundstream stuff from the 90's when it was made in Folsom Ca. would be really cool. The Soundstream SPL series subwoofers were always my favorite. Keep up the cool content Big D.
I was a Punch 150 guy early 90's that amp handled EVERYTHING I threw at and it never broke a sweat It was the center of many keg parties back in the day 🔊🔊🔊👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯
I’m gonna say you’ll hit about 140.3db. Great video! Made me reminisce about my first amps in the early 90’s. I had a couple of Acoustic 380’s with 4 Acoustic 10’s. Wasn’t the greatest but sure beat the brakes if my 6x9’s I had before that. I’m in my 50’s now and still play it loud my 11 yr. old Kenwood 1800 watt amp on my Alpine 12” sub. “If it’s too loud, your too old” and I still can’t visualize when I’ll reach an age where that’s true. Keep it up 👍.
watching the old classic amp being tested sure bring back good memories when I was in the business .. still run my Rockford Fosgate PR250's .. lol BEERS!!!
I remember these amps back in the day back when car audio felt special to have and subs performed so well and you didn’t need ten k to be someone with a banging system
You clearly werent paying attention lol did you not see those prices in the mag?? Lol stop it. Car audio was way more expensive back in the day compared to today lol
@@Playaflydre I guess you’ve never owned or bought anything higher end in car audio cause you’re stuck on thinking cause its got low power numbers that means it’s not worth the money well you should expand your research on higher end amps like Audio Art or Xtant or something it’s not always bout quantity it’s quality over quantity
@@jasonjackson329 neither of those companies sell 4ch amps at that price with that low of output. Thanks for ASSumming you know what i have or know. Again stop it
Man takes me back. I remember seeing these and wishing I could buy one. And yeah, the low efficiency of these early class-B's. I remember having a JBL that I was running below its rated impedance in bridged mode. Made a shitload of power but man was it inefficient. The headlights would almost go out on bass hits. Made the car look like a disco going down the road. After I got done using it I opened it up and it looked like Chernobyl inside. Just hot melty plastic in the bottom from the transformer bobbin and lots of black resistors and board traces. Amazingly it still worked despite being grilled into oblivion.
I was thinking around that, but considering its an efficient enclosure with 4 12's in close quarters in a truck... the box can give +6 dB... I say 140-142. We will see.
I had 2 of these amps so I could compete in the 100 watt USAC class, I was so stoked and absolutely loved them. This video was super nostalgic for me, thanks for posting!!!!!
I'll guess 142.8. Speaks to the quality of the components in these old school amps that they can still take a beating 25 years after they were built. Very cool video Dereck!
I have a Kicker X100 in my closet if you ever want to test it. I worked for Rolling Thunder here in Vegas and we were the #1 Kicker dealer in the country so they sent us 2 X100's and 2 X50's to do real world testing on them and that's is where my X100 came from. I had it on 6 Kicker C15's and was tearing up the 0-150 class up and down the west coast. Heck I even have a few Kicker XS 100's in my closet that I was using in the 250-500 watt class back in the day.
Best guess is going to be between 130-140db. 350ish watts with 4 86.7db sensitive 600 watt speakers. That box and Sequoia are gonna need to add some rise to reach 150.
I had this amp. It had a sheet with it that said it put out 442 watts to 1 at 1 ohm. Had 2 kicker comp 12’s from 1996 hooked up to it. That was one of my favorite systems. Also hooked up two round solo baric 15’s for a week and that was very loud! Even tho it was way under powered. Pissed off a lot of people lol
Man I miss all my old school kicker amps I had all the zr models from the zr120 to the zr1000 I had the kicker xs 100 the kicker dx350 and even the kicker zx460 this was when kicker was really all about competition
I did 138 db with 350 watts in a 90's Eclipse and 1 15" Memphis Mojo, so my guess is 138 db( At least 4 times the space, 4 times the cone area, with that quad box in the Sequoia).
Amazing really that kicker is still doing the same thing today, for example with their key amps. Back in the 90s to have those swappable modules must have been quite unique.
@Frank Bonazza III Maybe we could leave 2 sided Politics out of it, and work on getting us all better HOWEVER each person sees fit. Then we can have some go Old School times!!
Used to drool over these in Crutchfield. High school w/ a minimum wage job meant I couldn’t afford them. Ended up buying US Acoustics instead and wasn’t disappointed.
My 85 s10 blazer had 4 of the XS100 on 8 of the XPL 15s in a sealed clamshell B Pillar wall and was consistent 158 - 159 legal back in the mid 90s. Ive still got the score sheets from a few of the shows it was at
Reminds me of my ZR I had back in the day. The heatsinks on those old Kickers were awesome, they made the amp heavy as hell but they were so good at sucking up any heat. Man do I miss it, those amps would run any sub you threw at it at 1ohm all day no problems.
Old school? Say what?! Those amps are absolutely a very unique, yet simple design. Reminiscent of bits and pieces I've seen from a/d/s, PG, but all Kicker OG.
I predict 138 Db, that was my best in 1987. A Rockford 50x4 amp driving a Boston Acoustics three way component set and a PP 200 driving four 10" Pyle's in a Chevy van. My first big installation. Good times!
134.7db in the sequoia!!! Str8 bangin!!! Just another great video as always! If you're not learning something new everyday, well you're doing it wrong my friends..... Thank you. Big D!
142.1 had to change it I saw a 142. That Kicker amp is made like the old soundstream where the fets are attached through the board to the heat-sink on top. Very efficient for heat dissipation
@@walawesome I hit 127.29 db at 55hz sealed with 2 solobaric l7 8s on my xs50 in sealed boxes. which I don't think Is too bad considering the age of the gear and the fact that they are not ported.
138db SPL at the dash is my guess. You should do at least one test old-school IASCA style with Flashdance! I did a 140 or 142 at the dash (using Flashdance) with my 225 HCCA mono parallel to 6 JL 12w1 in the trunk of my Chevy Corsica "Sports Sedan"🤣. 142 might have been with the 2100 HCCA, or was that a 145 🤔...1995 was a long time ago 😅! Anyhow, just hooked the 225 up to a dual 2ohm Skar 12 wired to one-ohm mono, it's still killing it! Did you ever re-test the 225 with the EQ button pressed like you did with the 2100?
Nice looking old school amp. Reminds of style back then. Harman kardon ca100, or ads, soundstream amps. Great sounding and I would run still if available. 👍😁😷
Love these ole cheater amps.used them a bunch in spl contests all over indiana during the 90s.droppn' the ohms greatly impacts wattage for a short burst for comp... I guessin' 147.8
What do you measure your SPL with? Term lab, b&k, audio control??? In the kick panel(outlaw) or 12" over and 4" up(UASC, DbDrag), Or at the headrest(IASCA SQ)?? Termlab will do around 135 on the windshield, 137 in the kick. 140ish on the Audiocontrol at the windshield 144 in the kick. B&K will be around 132 on the windshield? 134 in the kick.
Killing me boss my first amp was a 200si and my second a xs50. The good old days paying well over a dollar a watt and happy to do it😂😂love this channel👍🏻👍🏻
Hey- thanks again for your content. Awesome stuff! I got a lot of those magazines from back then- I saved them to keep an q&a article I was featured in, as a teen, asking questions about band pass boxes. If you want to get some stuff to borrow for your show- let me know. Cheers
So cool! Back in the day I put a Punch 45 on 9 G&S Redlines in my wife's new Taurus. Not loud but smooth.... Later swapped out the Punch for a US Amps X50 ( exterminator 50 I believe). The system went quite a bit louder:)
@DJ WRAITH If this box hits 140 that's hella cabin gain. I used to run 2 kicker comp 12"s off a Soundstream Ref 300 in HC mode and could hit just about 128dB .
@DJ WRAITH Bro, I did 133 dB with two MTX Blue Thunder's and a P.P.I. A200 @ 200W Mono in a 5th order bandpass I got the specs from MTX themselves for back in 1995. Half the power, half the drivers, and the ony advantage was my MX-3 Hatch. I say 140-142 SPL with that Behemoth of an enclosure. The only thing that may limit that is the efficiency of the drivers. That could be a factor.
@DJ WRAITH if I recall, it was 1CF for each of the outer sub boxes (sealed) and 1.75 C.F. For the inner with a 6” by 6.75” port that was converted from round to square. Originally that box was built for my 1989 Nissan Sentra and the port was pushed into the passenger cabin and we cut a square through the rear deck (with a sawzall) and put a speaker grill cover over it so looked almost stock. But when I got the Mazda I removed it from there I added three-quarter inch plexiglass and I used flex-stone paint so that you could see inside. It was sweet.
Everyone loves to reminisce about back in the day. "JL Audio was better back then" "Kicker was the bomb in the 90s." But the truth is their current amplifiers are more efficient, put out cleaner power when voltage fluctuates, have way more protection circuitry, smaller footprint, and cost WAY less $/watt. It's a cool amp, but a $135 CXA400.1 from today would walk all over it.
I'd say about 100 db at the front seat. Hard to say exactly without knowing the test distance and other variables but if I had to guess I would say "it do bump doe". Nice old school find. Reminds me of my old Clarion 50 X2. It was tiny but still a champ for adding a little grunt to a factory set up. Wish I still had it. I would love to see one dynoed. 👏
@@boatdr.t5737 No doubt! I made a baffle board behind the back seat on my Duster and am using the entire trunk as an enclosure. The floor and inner quarter panels are all sound deadened so there is no sheet metal vibration from outside the car. It is way louder than I thought it would be with only a 1995 MTX 2160 powering them at 4ohms bridged. I need an MTX 2320 but can't find one.
Nice to see it's still Kick'n it out!!! Gotta love the old school cheaters. My guess, it will be just a hair over 140db - I'll peg my guess at 143db...
In the sequoia, 121 db. Lowballing but thinking of cabin gain. My first system was a pioneer 25w x4, 50w x2 bridged at 4 ohms, pushing two audiobahn dub 700 watt 12s... that old pioneer amp blew those subs. No surprise though, audiobahn was all show. Leaned my lesson later, pushing 1200 watts into an immortal awis 12j (rated 2000 rms, quad 2ohm coils) that went up in sweet sweet voice coil smoke
Love your content! My first system was 2 12" and 2 15" Mohawks, on a 400w Audiovox amp. sounded qmazing. And got pretty loud. My best was a 151.4. If I had to guess I'd say you are gonna pull the same 151.4.
Why were they called “cheater”? Was it just marketing? I’ve done research. Essentially cheater amps said they’re rated for X amount of watts but really put out a lot more power than that. Technically you could join a competition and sign up for 0-50 watt section and use your cheater amp to push 1000watts and win.
I used to have a kicker xs100 in 99' runnin 3 jl 12w3s. That amp was the most amazing things I ever ran. If you can get a hold of one I'd love to see a dyno test on it.
144db Just a shot in the dark tho. The red Orion 225 HCCA amp was my first cheater amp ever. I had 6 Orion XTR 12" in my 1992 Nissan Hardbody pickup. It wasn't the loudest but I remember pulling about 154db with the single amp. Those were the days!
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Pretty cool that Kicker has their manuals all the way to back then still on the site. In the mean time some companies can't even get specs published for their current products. Guess they have to wait for the cookie cutter to report back... 🍪👨🍳
You are so right! Same owner since 1973 and they are still killing the game!
That is something all that's been in for the long haul should do.. Even if they been passed around..
Love some old school amps. These models are just a bit before my time. I started with two of the black Impulse amps, then got a ZR240. Kicker amps looked so awesome
I figured out why these chinese cookie cutter amps are all rated sopoorly, and why companies don't change them. You see, it cost nothing to add your brand or logo, website etc. They have white labels for that data input. However, to change the box, packaging, manual, etc... you must pay extra fees. Now company A has to charge more than company B with the same amp but lower numbers in the data. All is good so long as you are truthful correct? But wait... once consumers realize you have same amp, charging more. They will just go buy the liars amp anyways cause it is cheaper.
@@MurderousMindstate right.. If i "made" a amp from China.. They told me 50 watts rms.. I'd send it to someone.. If it put 30watts rms.. I'd call it 20 watts rma.. Even if it's rolling of a assembly line they all are not all the same.
These Old School Kicker amps are stuff dreams are made of.
Day pretty cool 😎
@@wal hey let me know I got a DX700 let me know If you wanna try it!
Yes they where, back in 1996 thr Crutchfield catalog was almost as good as a playboy.
Sweet dreams are made of these..... 😂❤️❤️❤️
The new kicker amps are even better
So crazy that back in 90s we used to run four subs in 300-500 watts and that ish use to bump!!
I was in the 251-500 class in IASCA using these Kicker cheater amps. I was running 4 12" kickers running at 1 ohm and would shake the buildings I was next to. Kicker amps were beast back then.
I bought one in 1998 and loved it but what made me love kicker / stillwater designs was I was missing the cover cap and contacted them about buying one . They sent me one for free . Even the shipping they took care of . Miss those simpler times !
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4:29 - Kicker Amp Modules
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I have a couple audio mags from the 90's
My buddy found a old module in his storage. We had a good laugh reminiscing 😂
137 db is my guess. Love the old school car audio. Everything from the amps to subs and pullout decks and builds. Show more. Love the channel
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@@wal so what do win? Lol. I love car audio especially old school stuff.
128 DB is my guess :) love the old stuff from the days I used to do competition! I used A/D/S/ amps but always loved the kicker stuff!
It's so cool seeing amps that existed before I ever knew or cared about car audio. My guess is 138.5 db on the floor with the windows slightly open.
Thanks for saying that as car audio history is my passion
I remember reading that edition of Car audio magazine.
Showing how some old school gear runs today is awesome. I was a teenager in 96 and just getting into car audio. I always swore that the older stuff sounded way better and louder than stuff available today. Maybe it's just euphoric recall. If you can get your hands on some Soundstream stuff from the 90's when it was made in Folsom Ca. would be really cool. The Soundstream SPL series subwoofers were always my favorite. Keep up the cool content Big D.
I have a old school X100s I still use today. Works beautiful!
My ex still runs my old 90s model profile Amp. Runs like a charm daily
Thanks for providing these videos man, there’s not many if any people doing stuff like this. Thanks
Absolutely love the kicker XS and ZR series amps
An amp i remember a lot of people having in the late 90's early 00's was a "Punch 200"? It bumped everything everyone had.
Yeah that amp is a killer for sure
Punch 900
I had a Punch 60ix, between me and my friends it took some intense abuse for years and refused to die!
@@michaelhollon5332 bought a iron waffle punch 40.. Let my friend used it.. He had gear oil leak on it.. It died.. Fosgate repaired it free.
I was a Punch 150 guy early 90's that amp handled EVERYTHING I threw at and it never broke a sweat It was the center of many keg parties back in the day 🔊🔊🔊👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯
Houston Texas reporting for duty!
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I’m gonna say you’ll hit about 140.3db. Great video! Made me reminisce about my first amps in the early 90’s. I had a couple of Acoustic 380’s with 4 Acoustic 10’s. Wasn’t the greatest but sure beat the brakes if my 6x9’s I had before that. I’m in my 50’s now and still play it loud my 11 yr. old Kenwood 1800 watt amp on my Alpine 12” sub. “If it’s too loud, your too old” and I still can’t visualize when I’ll reach an age where that’s true. Keep it up 👍.
watching the old classic amp being tested sure bring back good memories when I was in the business .. still run my Rockford Fosgate PR250's .. lol BEERS!!!
yeah boi!
I remember these amps back in the day back when car audio felt special to have and subs performed so well and you didn’t need ten k to be someone with a banging system
You clearly werent paying attention lol did you not see those prices in the mag?? Lol stop it. Car audio was way more expensive back in the day compared to today lol
@@Playaflydre Lol wtf its still just as expensive you must not be paying attention
@@jasonjackson329 $599 for a 50×4?? Again stop it
@@Playaflydre I guess you’ve never owned or bought anything higher end in car audio cause you’re stuck on thinking cause its got low power numbers that means it’s not worth the money well you should expand your research on higher end amps like Audio Art or Xtant or something it’s not always bout quantity it’s quality over quantity
@@jasonjackson329 neither of those companies sell 4ch amps at that price with that low of output. Thanks for ASSumming you know what i have or know. Again stop it
What a gem man glad u were able to show it to us
Man takes me back. I remember seeing these and wishing I could buy one. And yeah, the low efficiency of these early class-B's. I remember having a JBL that I was running below its rated impedance in bridged mode. Made a shitload of power but man was it inefficient. The headlights would almost go out on bass hits. Made the car look like a disco going down the road. After I got done using it I opened it up and it looked like Chernobyl inside. Just hot melty plastic in the bottom from the transformer bobbin and lots of black resistors and board traces. Amazingly it still worked despite being grilled into oblivion.
I love the simple look of the old school amps, function over form for the win!
Also loved my punch 360 dot 6. That was a great amp
A good old school amp to test it a alpine v12 because I have one and I want to see what power it puts out
Love your videos so much
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Definitely a classic.. brings back memories of having a small fortune in stereo equipment that cost more than the car itself.. 112db or 128db...
I did 133 dB with two MTX Blue Thunder 10's and a PPI A200 @ 200W in my MX-3 back in 1995. I think he will do more.
i can hear the apprehension in your voice as you power the dyno up
BigD!! What up, y0? Got an update on the Mc yet? That's my jam, bro!
My guess is 136.4, good luck.
Oh wow, that would be pretty good with the power here. I'm hoping for a little more, but we'll see...
I was thinking around that, but considering its an efficient enclosure with 4 12's in close quarters in a truck... the box can give +6 dB... I say 140-142. We will see.
So many variables. How are you testing Big D? At the windscreen? Headrest? Windows up or down?
@@TheRedDeadRat Testing at the windscreen/dashboard with windows closed is the correct way to test. According to the old IASCA rules
For a 25 year old amp its super clean inside and still hit rated power numbers pretty dam amazing BIG D 🔥🔥🔥🔥👍
Kicker quality showing off here!
I had 2 of these amps so I could compete in the 100 watt USAC class, I was so stoked and absolutely loved them. This video was super nostalgic for me, thanks for posting!!!!!
Bringing back the good old days seeing that amp with modules Big D! I guess you'll hit 143.2 burp. Thanks for keeping the old school alive!
Love the channel! this was surprising. I remember competition amps being really weak at 4 ohms then going way over rated power at lower impedance.
Thanks man! See the initial SPL run here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
I had one of these running some jl audio components back in the day. Was a great little amp.
Cool video! Its fun to see old hardware being put to the test. And my guess is probably anywhere between 115 and 130 dbs.
See the result of the initial run here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
I'll guess 142.8.
Speaks to the quality of the components in these old school amps that they can still take a beating 25 years after they were built.
Very cool video Dereck!
Agreed on the quality! See the first run here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
141.3dB is my guess. Love that combination of new and old school!
crazy how far car audio has come in 15 short years
These are my favorite videos...reliving my youth I suppose. Right on Big D.
Oh the days of running two channel bridge amps and going from 20w x2 to 1000w x1 🤣🤣 yeah im old enough to remember those days
I have a Kicker X100 in my closet if you ever want to test it. I worked for Rolling Thunder here in Vegas and we were the #1 Kicker dealer in the country so they sent us 2 X100's and 2 X50's to do real world testing on them and that's is where my X100 came from. I had it on 6 Kicker C15's and was tearing up the 0-150 class up and down the west coast.
Heck I even have a few Kicker XS 100's in my closet that I was using in the 250-500 watt class back in the day.
Remember those Amp having flash back of my days at Audio Express 😏😏
Best guess is going to be between 130-140db. 350ish watts with 4 86.7db sensitive 600 watt speakers. That box and Sequoia are gonna need to add some rise to reach 150.
I had this amp. It had a sheet with it that said it put out 442 watts to 1 at 1 ohm. Had 2 kicker comp 12’s from 1996 hooked up to it. That was one of my favorite systems. Also hooked up two round solo baric 15’s for a week and that was very loud! Even tho it was way under powered. Pissed off a lot of people lol
Man I miss all my old school kicker amps I had all the zr models from the zr120 to the zr1000 I had the kicker xs 100 the kicker dx350 and even the kicker zx460 this was when kicker was really all about competition
Love those amps man, made me remember my old days of wanting what I couldn’t afford! I would guess 145 db?
I had one of these on 4 10s back in 1996 in a ext cab Toyota with a walk thru and a snug top. It slammed!
Glad to see some old school American made stuff. I really have no interest in the big watt Asian made stuff, no character. I enjoy your channel Big D
Thanks brother!
ORION baby!! All day!
I did 138 db with 350 watts in a 90's Eclipse and 1 15" Memphis Mojo, so my guess is 138 db( At least 4 times the space, 4 times the cone area, with that quad box in the Sequoia).
damn, i guessed 139, but it did 137.85, i think you won the challenge.
Amazing really that kicker is still doing the same thing today, for example with their key amps. Back in the 90s to have those swappable modules must have been quite unique.
I would love to see the M1D by DD on that amp dyno
Its one brand i couldn't get my hands on for my collection. But do love the early gens ☺👍
A friend of mine in high school had a Kocker amp. Don't know the model...but she was a beast!! I'm willing to bet you'll pull a 145 off the glass
Maybe we can get an East Coast meet-up next Spring. Should be in the safe zone by then!!! Like to see that Kicker Quad in person
yeah man, this would be sweet. Hope we are good by then too!
@Frank Bonazza III Maybe we could leave 2 sided Politics out of it, and work on getting us all better HOWEVER each person sees fit. Then we can have some go Old School times!!
Used to drool over these in Crutchfield. High school w/ a minimum wage job meant I couldn’t afford them. Ended up buying US Acoustics instead and wasn’t disappointed.
I didn’t see these versions in Crutchfield, but I know what you mean
@@wal may have been in Car Audio. Still couldn’t afford them at the time. McIntosh was what I really wanted.
My 85 s10 blazer had 4 of the XS100 on 8 of the XPL 15s in a sealed clamshell B Pillar wall and was consistent 158 - 159 legal back in the mid 90s. Ive still got the score sheets from a few of the shows it was at
Reminds me of my ZR I had back in the day. The heatsinks on those old Kickers were awesome, they made the amp heavy as hell but they were so good at sucking up any heat. Man do I miss it, those amps would run any sub you threw at it at 1ohm all day no problems.
Old school? Say what?! Those amps are absolutely a very unique, yet simple design. Reminiscent of bits and pieces I've seen from a/d/s, PG, but all Kicker OG.
And here y’all think he forgot about Dre
Sir.Big D, Down4sound JP234 dyno and review anytime soon? Loving all your videos here sir.
In the next week or so
One day these will be 100 years old and still kicking. At that time the technology will be so different...
I predict 138 Db, that was my best in 1987. A Rockford 50x4 amp driving a Boston Acoustics three way component set and a PP 200 driving four 10" Pyle's in a Chevy van. My first big installation. Good times!
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134.7db in the sequoia!!! Str8 bangin!!!
Just another great video as always! If you're not learning something new everyday, well you're doing it wrong my friends.....
Thank you. Big D!
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142.1 had to change it I saw a 142. That Kicker amp is made like the old soundstream where the fets are attached through the board to the heat-sink on top. Very efficient for heat dissipation
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I've got a XS50 and ZR120 in my oldschool 92 b2200 90s minitruck build. oldschool kicker amps are awesome 🔥
Sweet! See the SPL test here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
@@walawesome I hit 127.29 db at 55hz sealed with 2 solobaric l7 8s on my xs50 in sealed boxes. which I don't think Is too bad considering the age of the gear and the fact that they are not ported.
Punch 45 was the bomb back in the day.
Fo shizzle
138db SPL at the dash is my guess. You should do at least one test old-school IASCA style with Flashdance! I did a 140 or 142 at the dash (using Flashdance) with my 225 HCCA mono parallel to 6 JL 12w1 in the trunk of my Chevy Corsica "Sports Sedan"🤣. 142 might have been with the 2100 HCCA, or was that a 145 🤔...1995 was a long time ago 😅! Anyhow, just hooked the 225 up to a dual 2ohm Skar 12 wired to one-ohm mono, it's still killing it! Did you ever re-test the 225 with the EQ button pressed like you did with the 2100?
At the dashboard is the correct way to test it with the windows closed.
I had 3 of these amps back when with a 6 jlw6's. It was insane.
Nice looking old school amp. Reminds of style back then. Harman kardon ca100, or ads, soundstream amps. Great sounding and I would run still if available. 👍😁😷
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Love these ole cheater amps.used them a bunch in spl contests all over indiana during the 90s.droppn' the ohms greatly impacts wattage for a short burst for comp... I guessin' 147.8
What do you measure your SPL with?
Term lab, b&k, audio control???
In the kick panel(outlaw) or 12" over and 4" up(UASC, DbDrag), Or at the headrest(IASCA SQ)??
Termlab will do around 135 on the windshield, 137 in the kick.
140ish on the Audiocontrol at the windshield 144 in the kick.
B&K will be around 132 on the windshield? 134 in the kick.
Killing me boss my first amp was a 200si and my second a xs50. The good old days paying well over a dollar a watt and happy to do it😂😂love this channel👍🏻👍🏻
Awesome brother, the nostalgia is strong!
Hey- thanks again for your content. Awesome stuff! I got a lot of those magazines from back then- I saved them to keep an q&a article I was featured in, as a teen, asking questions about band pass boxes. If you want to get some stuff to borrow for your show- let me know. Cheers
So cool! Back in the day I put a Punch 45 on 9 G&S Redlines in my wife's new Taurus. Not loud but smooth....
Later swapped out the Punch for a US Amps X50 ( exterminator 50 I believe).
The system went quite a bit louder:)
142.3 is my guess. Love the amp dynos, keep up the good work!
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I had no idea they were so inefficient at low ohms. Crazy!
Yeah class A/B is inefficient at 4 ohms, so 1/2 ohm you shouldn’t expect much efficiency
Ahh wish they still made amps like this. Gonna say that amp and box will hit 132dB.
@DJ WRAITH If this box hits 140 that's hella cabin gain. I used to run 2 kicker comp 12"s off a Soundstream Ref 300 in HC mode and could hit just about 128dB .
@DJ WRAITH Bro, I did 133 dB with two MTX Blue Thunder's and a P.P.I. A200 @ 200W Mono in a 5th order bandpass I got the specs from MTX themselves for back in 1995. Half the power, half the drivers, and the ony advantage was my MX-3 Hatch. I say 140-142 SPL with that Behemoth of an enclosure. The only thing that may limit that is the efficiency of the drivers. That could be a factor.
@DJ WRAITH if I recall, it was 1CF for each of the outer sub boxes (sealed) and 1.75 C.F. For the inner with a 6” by 6.75” port that was converted from round to square. Originally that box was built for my 1989 Nissan Sentra and the port was pushed into the passenger cabin and we cut a square through the rear deck (with a sawzall) and put a speaker grill cover over it so looked almost stock. But when I got the Mazda I removed it from there I added three-quarter inch plexiglass and I used flex-stone paint so that you could see inside. It was sweet.
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Everyone loves to reminisce about back in the day. "JL Audio was better back then" "Kicker was the bomb in the 90s." But the truth is their current amplifiers are more efficient, put out cleaner power when voltage fluctuates, have way more protection circuitry, smaller footprint, and cost WAY less $/watt. It's a cool amp, but a $135 CXA400.1 from today would walk all over it.
It's true, but at the time amps like this were state of the art. Only comparison now vs then is the nostalgia, cool looks and made in the USA vibe.
Cheater Amps. Love them. Had a Crossfire myself with a pair of Autotek 12's. Was a nice setup for 1997-98
Awesome video love the old school Amps I am still bumping the zr600 with sub crossover module and I still have the original box for the amp
I had the MTX 225 HO 25x2 and 700x1@1ohm I believe loved that amp
I'd say about 100 db at the front seat. Hard to say exactly without knowing the test distance and other variables but if I had to guess I would say "it do bump doe". Nice old school find. Reminds me of my old Clarion 50 X2. It was tiny but still a champ for adding a little grunt to a factory set up. Wish I still had it. I would love to see one dynoed. 👏
Super cool! Love seeing the stuff that I grew up with! 124db my guess!
Man I wish I wouldve kept my damn car audio catalog issues or any of my old mags
138.50 in the kick 136.90 on the glass outlaw for both...... sealed 134. I'd love to see this combo 40 though, that would be cool!
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Same old stuff Glad to see your back after it
finally old school status restored.
And here you thought I forgot about Dre...
I believe it should do 140-145. So would each sub see 300ish watts? Maybe a 143.9???
I need this amp to go with my 1996 12" Kicker Competition Free Airs!
The guy I borrowed it from said he already had it sold. Probably get more now that it will have custom Dyno sheet and it’s own video 😜
I had a pair of free air 1996 10" in a 1.5 per sub ported box tuned to 40 hertz in a civic hatchback. SLAMMED
@@boatdr.t5737 No doubt! I made a baffle board behind the back seat on my Duster and am using the entire trunk as an enclosure. The floor and inner quarter panels are all sound deadened so there is no sheet metal vibration from outside the car. It is way louder than I thought it would be with only a 1995 MTX 2160 powering them at 4ohms bridged. I need an MTX 2320 but can't find one.
Nice to see it's still Kick'n it out!!! Gotta love the old school cheaters. My guess, it will be just a hair over 140db - I'll peg my guess at 143db...
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My guess would be right around 127. Awesome video as always!!
See the initial run here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
In the sequoia, 121 db. Lowballing but thinking of cabin gain. My first system was a pioneer 25w x4, 50w x2 bridged at 4 ohms, pushing two audiobahn dub 700 watt 12s... that old pioneer amp blew those subs. No surprise though, audiobahn was all show. Leaned my lesson later, pushing 1200 watts into an immortal awis 12j (rated 2000 rms, quad 2ohm coils) that went up in sweet sweet voice coil smoke
Bid D. I would guess the Old School Kicker will be kicking out around 136db to 138db in the Sequoia. Always like those kickers back in the day
Nice range! See here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
Love your content! My first system was 2 12" and 2 15" Mohawks, on a 400w Audiovox amp. sounded qmazing. And got pretty loud. My best was a 151.4. If I had to guess I'd say you are gonna pull the same 151.4.
Why were they called “cheater”? Was it just marketing?
I’ve done research. Essentially cheater amps said they’re rated for X amount of watts but really put out a lot more power than that. Technically you could join a competition and sign up for 0-50 watt section and use your cheater amp to push 1000watts and win.
138.8 db. subs facing up, port toward rear @ 47 hz. Back in 97' did a 129.0 with orion hcca225 and pair of cerwin vega xl12D's in a 91 Grand Prix
I used to have a kicker xs100 in 99' runnin 3 jl 12w3s. That amp was the most amazing things I ever ran. If you can get a hold of one I'd love to see a dyno test on it.
144db Just a shot in the dark tho. The red Orion 225 HCCA amp was my first cheater amp ever. I had 6 Orion XTR 12" in my 1992 Nissan Hardbody pickup. It wasn't the loudest but I remember pulling about 154db with the single amp. Those were the days!
Sweet! I’m gonna try the 225 HCCA also. Remember the meters used today measure 6-8dB less than the old mics
Looking forward to the XS50 test. I'm guessing it will do a lot more power.
I'm going to guess 140.3 dB with the X50S on the quad box
146.8 db. And the guts are clean for a 25 year old amp. Nice👍👍👍
oh snap, that would be awesome! See my first run here: czcams.com/video/JUNlnRccI0Y/video.html
@@wal Ah man! Too generous for my 146.8db hoping for a higher db. That quad box is a beauty!