New Civic e:HEV European Premier Event Presentation
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- Technical product presentation of the all new 11th generation Civic e:HEV during it's European Premier Event in June 2022, explaining it's features and in particular the improvements in driving performance resulting from the significant updates in the e:HEV hybrid system.
After 16 years driving my beloved Honda Civic Hybrid I am looking forward to my Honda Civic e:HEV which will hopefully be delivered very soon. Thank you Honda for building such great and reliable vehicles! And thank you Mr. Yamamoto for the interesting presentation.
I have ordered my Honda civic Advanced and can't wait to have it.
I've bought myself a Civic e:hev in Gibraltar. I'm very happy with the fuel efficiency and often get 4.1L/100km when on a drive from my house to Tarifa, whilst observing the speed limits much of the time. Otherwise, I average around 4.5L/100km when on a longer trip to Malaga. I can't complain about the fuel economy at all.
Thank you for a great presentation. All information that is missing throughout the web and also not described by the journalists. Great technical details. Waiting for it in the USA. Hope it comes both as sedan and hatch.
I think understanding why there isn’t a brief output of 140 plus 184 is quite hard to understand. I have now decided it doesn’t matter that I can’t get it. The car drives great!! Thank you for the presentation and long answer to another comment on roughly this topic.
One last try to clear things up. In theory you are right that when the system is working under 'parallel' hybrid operation i.e. the engine is connected to the wheels driving the car and the electric motor is providing assist power for acceleration, both outputs could be added to create a higher output than the nominal 184PS, however that is from marketability perspective not suitable for everyone's use as a 'normal' daily use passenger car characteristics. The reason is that when the battery assist is ending after let's say 20 seconds, the car would ouptup less than half the combined output resulting in a drastic change and drop in performance which could be dangerous n public traffic situation (e.g. while overtaking or going up-hill). As a special performance car in theory the additional assist power could be used as a 'boost' or 'overtake' feature just like an NO2 injection known from Fast & the Furious. In that case the car would have something like nearly 300PS for a very short time but also needs reinforced spec to withstand that output. The reason why you can't just add both maximum output figures from engine (140PS) and electric motor (184PS) is that they have their peaks at different rpm so you need to look where the addition of both figures becomes maximum.
I hope this helped.
thank you very much Sir! Very good presentation and well explained! exactly I was looking for. Next month going for test drive...
What a very interesting presentation, clearly explained by an expert in his field. Glad i have my Advance on order. This is from a present FK8 owner.
I really enjoy this video with in depth information of Civic e:HEV that I couldn't find anywhere else. I have bought Civic e:HEV (sedan version). The car is really the driver's car. Acceleration sound feels nice with Linear Shift Control described at 18:22. It really does make the difference from Corolla Hybrid 1.8 we also have in our house. (Our country do not have Corolla 2.0 version) The difference is not just the acceleration is much better but the engine sound is much more pleasant to hear on the Civic. The interior is also better. Gas consumption is almost the same.
Thank you Mr Yamamoto.
Excellent presentation , good information , well done .
This was fascinating.
I'm in the UK and I want the sedan so bad. Honda, please bring it to Europe!
This hybrid system is the best implementation of hybrid setup, please get this for other honda models in India.
If I had to suggest anything for this setup is adding motor(s) at the rear axle for the RS variants OR just shift the motor from front to rear axle if possible.
Thanks for the explanation about the e-CVT which indeed got a lot of us very confused. Do you know what is the reason behind the choice of this name although the principle is completely different than a traditional CVT gearbox?
Honda fit HEV hybrid. Bring it back to the USA!!
Amazing ❤🎉 very helpfull!
Is it possible to get the presentation somewhere?
I‘m also interested.
Thank you very much for the presentation! Under which conditions does the e:hev system in the civic run purely in electric drive mode? Does the ICE always start when starting the vehicle or can you set off in ev mode?
If you press the START button first thing in the morning, the engine will probably start in order to heat up the catalyst. After a few seconds the catalyst should be activated so the emissions are sufficiently converted into harmless substances. When this is achieved and if the cabin heater requirment is not set to high temperatures (or the air-con to low temps) and the IPU (Intelligent Power Unit, i.e. the big hybrid battery) does not necessarily need charging, the engine should turn off. After that the e:HEV will set off in pure electric driving. Once the system is warmed up and under usual driving conditions the car will in most cases (unless you floor the pedal to the metal) set off in pure EV mode. There is no button to "force" the system to stay in EV mode since the system is calculating and determining when and under which condition it is best for efficiency to drive in which drive mode but it is quite easy to comprehend the behaviour of the system so you can manage to bring it in certain drive modes by controlling your own right foot. Pure EV drive mode can even occure up to high speeds (over 100km/h) if you gently control your right foot. For the efficiency it is always beneficial to utilise the electric energy from the battery whenever there is the chance since this energy was stored under operating the engine in an efficient operation point or it is gained from free-of-charge recuperation energy. By keeping the battery always ready for buffering energy, it increases the flexibility of the system to maximise efficiency.
Is the new combustion engine efficient with SP98 or with S95-E10?
Thank you for the presentation. I often travel with family to remote locations with little access to road side assistance.
I'm worried that the electric motor generator is a single point of failure: ie. if that motor goes bad, the vehicle might stall. How does the e-cvt handle such eventualities? Does it have a "limp home" mode?
That is a great question, but to be honest the generator is so simple it would be hard to break anything in it ;)
Ordered the Advance sonic grey (in Romania), first available delivery date (Oct-23) coincided with the color I wanted👌. I would have wanted more configuration, especially as I think the 18' black wheels are nicer on this color than the silver wheels, unfortunately no options for configuration ... I would have paid the extra cost over the regular 18' wheels (like a trade-in)
Would using a larger battery (than the 1.05 kwh) helped to have more EV mode in city? I mean I would trad 30L of boot space for this :)
Also wasn't possible to equip a 50L petrol tank? For motorways, where consumption is highest, would have been helpful. Thanks
Mr. Yamamoto, please, a question about the maximum rated output. In the US market, the Accord Hybrid with this powertrain is rated for a "combined power" of 212 HP.
Since the motor's maximum output is 184, I understand this combined max power is only obtained when the system works in parallel mode; and must also be at high vehicle speed, with the ICE rotating fast enough to support acceleration while holding the high gear.
I'd like to understand better in which speed and load conditions this combined result is achieved.
The 184 HP is solely the maximum output of the electric propulsion motor. Top speed is also achieved only with the electric motor. For the e:HEV system there is no such thing like a combined output but is determined only by the maximum output of the electric propulsion motor but reaching this 184HP requires a combined power source. The engine-mode (parallel hybrid mode) is obtained in a speed range somewhat between 80-150km/h where the overall efficiency of driving the wheels directly with the combustion engine is better than converting mechanical energy (combustion engine) to electric energy (via the generator to the propulsion motor) and back to mechanical energy (drive power to the wheels). Over this speed the system always drives the car with the electric motor (series hybrid mode) up to top speed. Now the actual top speed is reached only with the 105kW (143HP) of the combustion engine converted into electric energy via the generator and in this case the propulsion motor also produces just 143HP of output. So when does the electric propulsion motor produce its maximum 184HP? In situations when the car faces an inclination while driving at top speed, the system will provide electric assist power from the battery to maintain the top speed as long as possible, even under uphill condition. In such case it can happen that the system gives maximum assist power (series hybrid mode with parallel motor assist) so that the electric propulsion motor reaches maximum output of 135kW or 184HP and exactly in this case both the engine output (converted into electric power via the generator) and the battery power work together as a "combined" output. The only reason why it could be justified to call this a combined output is that the 184 HP do not come from the generator (driven by the engine) only but also requires the maximum assist power from the battery.
I hope this helps to understand the system better in this limit condition and how the "combined output" is produced.
@@kotaroyamamoto808 thanks for the explanation. I would like clarification to be done. The maximum 184 HP is also obtained when you strongly accelerate (let's say an overtake situation) as long as you have a sufficient battery load? Or is it strictly related to inclination/uphill?
Thanks
@@kotaroyamamoto808 Hi. Thank you for your presentation. I have a big question about Honda Civic e:HEV for different countries. Are there any big differences between Europe Honda Civic E:HEV and Chinese Honda Civic E:HEV? Battery parameters? Capacity as an example?
How would you make it affordable in the US?😇
Why no hatchback Civic and bose sound system for malaysian market?...Does honda QC team read social media comments on the excessive wind noise at high speeds, rattling steering rack, shock absorbers etc in honda owner facebook groups and rectify?
Malaysian made are bad, just like its ppl
Should have put more effort in sound insulation, which the Civic still is poor.
I really appreciate Kotaro Yamamoto for presenting all the engineering intricacies of the eHEV. But when you learn that Honda didn't even bother to put a low windshield washer fluid in a market like Europe, this whole engineering presentation feels like an exercise in futility! Sorry mr. Yamamoto, what a waste of so much engineer's efforts and Honda's accountants won at the end!
Design of this car is just horrible
Cool story
What a weird taste you have! Finally an interior where the designer just did NOT smash two iPads into the cockpit. The silhouette is amazing and it’s length is the largest in the compact class.
Disagree....
Una bellissima macchina invece, meglio sicuramente delle auto che si vedono in giro dalla maggior parte degli italioti!