WOKE Exhibition Gets Museum BANNED from Excavating in Egypt!
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2023
- An exhibition in the Dutch Rijksmuseum van Oudheden, alleged to be Afrocentric and falsifying history, has led to its archaeologists being banned from excavating in Egypt. Make sure to leave your thoughts in the comments.
I hope this video doesn't strike anyone as insensitive or offensive.
#ancientegypt #egypt #kemet #afrocentric #museums #politics #controversy #archaeology #thenetherlands
What I really dont get is this: If they wanted to have a more black centric exhibition, why not do one about the nubians?
Egypt/Kemet came from Nubia/Kush. All the secrets, all the art work, and all the historical facts and documents are hidden away and buried in private collections, museums, institutions, and facilities of the deep state, shadow government, nazi mob kartel. There's a reason they're suppressing the truth. Mind control. It's part of the de-Blacking of history .
Or literally anything from Africa that isn't Egypt.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the archaeologists find out why they can't go back to the site.
You are just that a "fly"!-
Yep! Me too!
They will be back!!! The Arab Republic of Egypt., can use all the Euro's it can get
Disrespecting Egyptian culture, heritage! The gull to tell the Egyptian 's That primarily the Black's of North western Africa were decendants of thier people. , as you see they put them Straight! Just because Michael Jackson made a video of American blacks portraying Egyptian's you believe they are you!! 😆
@@George-zd6rb Yes!!! Michael Jackson made a video portraying
American blacks as Ancient Egyptians is correct!! Many of them
have the 1b1a,, V-E38. Y chromosomes that is Connected to Ramses III ..Their's is a bases in
Scientific Fact!!!!
Feel like the ppl who claim egypt are also the type who freak out over others "straling black culture"
If this isn't cultural appropriation, I don't know what is.
they cry over braids , but stealing history is fine to them
One of the main tenets of the Woke/SJW movement is racism (DEI also falls under this).
A bunch of white, liberal neets who never leave their parents' homes have been allowed too much influence on Western society, and this kind of bs is one of the effects.
The brain rot is unreal.
@@freeee8853 yes ancient Egyptians were very diverse in skin tones just like today's Egyptians
Groypers everywhere
I like how these Afrocentrists look at Egypt and their argument is 'theyre surrounded by black countries' but don't look at North African countries like Libya, Algeria and Morocco that occupies the same general latitude as Egypt. And they harp on the fact that Egypt borders Sudan but left out that it also neighbours Saudi Arabia and Jordan.
And another one is 'but Egyptians were okay with white people actors' like no they weren't. They weren't happy about it but the internet didn't exist so it's heard about less.
Kemet does not border Saudi Arabia. It's split. Secondly, even the Kemites themselves claimed they originated in upper Kemet. The originators of the culture, followed the Nile north, then annexed and killed then absorbed the Levantines in the Delta. This is shown on Narmers pallet.
Of course since Saudi doesn't exist back then. It's Assyria.
egyptians resemble white people more than black people, would you say lebanese are black? no.
@@WolfsinsEgyptians = natufians = blond and blue eyes
@@monsieurlemon Egyptians definitely don’t resemble white people. At least not the original ones. We clearly see Roman’s and Greeks towards the end of the dynasties. We know they were not the original Egyptians.
Does this mean I can claim any european heritage I want, even though I'm very much judt scandinavian? PIZZA PIZZA, HON HON HON, LEDERHOZEN INNIT! *Dipps a baguette in tsatsiki and fights a bull*
LETS GOOOOOO
egy kettő három!
... Tsatsiki... Baguette... Schnitzel...
I'mma hit the deli. New sandwich soon.
Egypt has the right to determine their past, present and future. The Dutch have no business to stick their noses in there.
Asiaitic Muslims (Levantines) are not the native population lf Egypt.
And blacks
@@blenderbanana Actually, according to a study of New Kingdom mummies, they had a lot of ancient Near Eastern ancestry, so the Levantine ancestry is from New Stone Age Levantines and Fertile Crescent, not recent people. They are Muslims because they were converted through pressure. Before that, they were Christians.
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUS I don't doubt that there was congress between the elite. There always is. But to describe the proletariat population as Levantine is quite the contortion.
It would be like describing ancient Algerians as Vandal in origin, due to their conquest in the 5th century. They were certainly "familiar"(👌👈) with the Roman Community, but North Africans were not Vandals.
@@blenderbanana Copts exist too
But that’s inconvenient to your narrative 😂
Ancient Egypt had a generally diverse population (and i don't mean that in the woke definition). there were mercenaries from every corner of the Mediterranean and yes Sudan who settled in the region and Egypt had a significant import of slave labor which always introduces genetic admixture from neighboring peoples. *Generally* most of their ancestry is closely related to the Levant, which makes sense considering how much they interacted with the Phoenician and Jewish civilizations. claiming cleopatra as African is pretty apocryphal considering we have very explicit records of her Greek genealogy and her appearance. there are plenty of African Civilizations that they could simp for but they choose Egypt because it's the one everyone knows about instead of investing the time and effort to explore their own heritage in Africa which has plenty of civilizations such as Aksum, the Hausa, and the Ashanti peoples. They choose not to invest the effort in singing their praises and try to piggyback off of Egypts clout.
there are parts of Egyptian history Africans CAN claim but i rarely see this done and most of the time it's Hoteps who paint a broad stroke across its entire 6,000 years of history instead of choosing to look at the Nubian dynasty and their accomplishments and push those into popular culture so modern African Americans have something to look towards for their heritage other than slavery. I really understand the impulse to do these things I'm Native American myself (Quapaw Tribe) and a lot of native history is straight up destroyed and contorted by colonization. I hope they can find and explore their own history and make sure its known in popular and black culture. I wish them the best and hope they do their due diligence.
Egypt as a Nation deserves to have a say in how their artifacts and history are portrayed and interpreted. those artifacts not found in shipwrecks or in other lands are up for grabs but Egypt themselves as well as any other African nation should be able to dictate how their history should be presented and have full control over the artifacts reclaimed from their countries and cultures. which do have a rich and immense cultural legacy and aesthetic i hope future black artists embrace.
10/10 comment
You really made that up. Predynastic Egyptians (El Badari, Naqada I & II) have no affinity with the Levant but strong affinities with southern populations (Kemp, Ehret). In fact, the Ancient Egyptians claimed to be from Punt which was located in Ethiopia (DNA tests of mummified baboons). HLA studies cluster modern Greeks with BLACK AFRICAN populations because they carry subsaharan genes from a 5,000 years old admixture. Plus most Greek men carry the Egypto-cushitic haplogroup EV13.
It matches with the story of the Pelasgians/Danaids who arrived from Egypt.
And what is the woke definition of “diverse” as opposed to the non-woke definition?
Anyone who needs proof that their distant, distant ancestors were badass or wtfever have severe self-esteem issues.
Total embarrassment for these people
Are any of them Credible in the study of Crain meteoric Analysis, DNA studies, or Archaeology without bias.
@@demouchetter are any of the Afrocentrics credible in the study of Crain meteoric Analysis, DNA studies, or Archaeology without bias.
@@cocopus yes I will believe an African Scholar before any other Lying Egyptologist .
@@cocopusActually, yes.
@@cocopus Yup 👍🏿
Gosh, what a tangled web.
So, in a nutshell, the Dutch Rijksmuseum van Oudheden has put together an exhibition to chime in on the American social issue (and obsession) over race by using ancient Egypt and, in the process, bulldozed over Egypt's sense of national identity and heritage.
This is probably why museums should avoid being sectarian.
I dont understand.. what is wrong with that?
Oh you mean the Arabs that invaded and colonized Egypt in 600AD. Are they still the Arab republic of Egypt.
Obsession !!!! Yes!!! I see the Afrocentrist point of view!!!! They are on a Mission to correct the Fake History of the lies of Anti African scholars and settler colonialist of
the invaders of the African Continent. I hope the obsession continues !!! Into all out war on this
subject. Million of lives have been
lost. Millions of km of Land has
been lost ..Those whom memorize
those ancestors that were murdered
by settler colonialist forces,ARE NOT
FORGETTING!!! The Afrocentrist say
The African Continent is in Their
DNA!!!!
Arab Republic of Egypt is not Ancient Kemet Indigenous African River Nile Valley Civilization!!!!
Museum Are Museum!!!! Avoid NOTHING!!!
As a dutch person, I'm appalled by the clear political agenda driving this exhibition, but even more so by the unbelievable, childish stubbornness of the museum director even when confronted by real (and completely justified) repercussions.
For a normal person this kind of discourse is ridiculous enough, but for a prominent member of the scientific community it's inexcusable. Shame on you, Wim Weijland!
edit:spelling
Second that. And what exactly does ancient Egypt have to do with modern singers??? This kind of exhibitions belong in an art museum, not in a history museum!
Afrocentrism and Egypt is literally no different than the Nazi’s ideology about Ancient Greeks and Romans being Germanic. What they refuse to believe is that those Greeks and Romans clearly viewed the peoples to the north of them as Barbarians and the Ancient Egyptians saw the people south of their borders as barbarians as well which is something the Afrocentrists also refuse to believe.
This exactly!!!!!!
While I understand what youre trying to say (although not entirely agreeing) Your metaphor and OP's in the video about Finns and Brits kinda falls through, because all groups presented are all still white.
They didn't think that. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop getting your history from Hollywood.
It is different though. It's socially accepted.
well at least they were on the same continent
ill let it slide ur point though
This is blatant theft yet people are being put in jail for torrenting music. The rules are made by the riches.
I visited the exhibition a few days ago and it was informed by Afrocentrism. Among other things, they have a little text explaining how, when Frank Ocean talks about black Cleopatra in his 2012 song Pyramids, he does not talk about the colour of her skin, but about her black identity! What bothered me the most was the complete lack of the Egyptian perspective, even for the sake of dialogue. I get that it was about Egypt in jazz and hip-hop but surely there must be Egyptian jazz and hip-hop artists inspired by their own past, and not just US musicians? I am not Egyptian, but I found it appropriative and not engaging in a dialogue with afrocentric theories but only presenting them as the way we should be seeing Egypt: essentially replacing the eurocentric lens with an afrocentric one, and celebrating all those US African-American artists who claim Egypt for their own.
i wonder who came up with the idea for that exhibition. and why the director defends it without proper argumentation.
@@loc1123 The idea came to them a few years ago, because hip-hop is one of the most popular music genres in all of Europe right now (esp. in northern Europe and Scandinavia) and they were trying to connect with a younger audience. As for the director, it is his job to defend it.... It is their bad luck that the exhibition opened now and not three or four years ago, as it had been the original plan.
If there is Egyptian jazz and hip hop than I as an black Americans am offended by them appropriating my culture
@trevormcdonald385 that 's different!
@@George-zd6rb How is that different? Stop taking our stuff.
The whole debate is dumb imo. Egypt has and always has been a diverse land. The further south you go, the darker the peoples skin becomes. An Egyptian from Aswan is a lot darker than an Egyptian from Cairo. As such, the skin colour of Egyptians would vary wildly, with the skin colour of pharaohs likely altering dynasty to dynasty.
Yeah, absolutely
The Museum is so pathetic. They should pull out the exhibition of they want the digging permit back.
Arab Republic of Egypt 🇪🇬 1953-present can't handle the truth
After all this time lying to themselves!!! They are not
Ancient Kemet Indigenous River Nile Vally Civilization. They are not E1b1a origin E-V38 DNA...haplogroup found
In the body of Ramses III. My source ...23 and Me Genomic and Biotechnology Company.,,South San Francisco California..States it's origin is Northeast Africa, east Africa
Across to Senegal, Niger, Nigeria Chad, and Sudan,Eritrea, Djibouti,all
Across the Sahel..Ethiopia and Somalia. And far south As South
Africa.
Only reason there loosing it is because they are digging up black mummies.
Ancient Kemet Indigenous African River Nile Valley Civilization..The Museum is CORRECT!!
Why dig ???It Is Arab Republic of Egypt 🇪🇬 Culture and History to discover their OWN History ?
We will not allow foreigners to violent our Royals Graves!!
Egypt:Kemet Hop Hip Soul Jazz and Funk!!!!!
First documentary, now museum. What's next, historical textbook for school?
no next is that white people should surrender their lies about eurocentric history :P. And they should kneel before the phoenix
Yes !!! Books!!! There's A New Sheriff in ..........TOWN!!!!!!!
Some tards are probably doing that already
I know all the history books are lies, they said the pyramids are big coffins, stupid idiots. i knew that was BS when i was 8yrs
More than likely they already writing one
Why would a country let a Museum like that hold their treasures? Good thing Egypt revoked their permission. There're others qualified for the job.
There would be no Egyptology without Europeans.
I agree that if they keep this Cultural Marxist b.s up they don’t deserve it.
Can we please just stick to facts when it comes to history. People should not be shoving personal belief in history and claiming it as fact, and I mentioned this in a video of my own.
As a fan of Egyptian history, I feel bad for the Egyptian people whose history is being lost.
its not lost, just distorted by lunatics.
I feel bad for them too, since they called their Land Kemet and not Egypt - and they also never spoke arabic. You seem to be indoctrinated by an old eurocentric narrative.. It's okay though - I'll give you a lesson : The ancient civilizations in the land which is now called Egypt - were not the same people that inhabit the lands now. The dynasties have been usurped and the current occupyer is trying to silence and censor the narrative on its history.
It’s in our DNA what part of DNA is not understood.
@@demouchetter it isnt.
@@OrthoKarter whatever dude Egypt is on the Continent of Africa and it’s originators Were and is Black Africans and if you don’t think so your only lying to yourself.
This museum shaped my childhood, and partly sparked my love for Ancient Egypt. I find this turn of events very tragic, and it saddens me deeply that the Rijksmuseum of Oudheden will not be a part anymore of the archeology done in Saqqarra.
Blame nationalism I guess. I did something no one in this comment section did and went to look something very important up: does the museum offer other exhibits about ancient egypt so being there means you will actually come away with a decent understanding? And it does.
That turns the narrative on its head and makes Egypt's actions looks as unreasonable as they are. The afrocentric part also screams lowkey racism. They really should have stuck with the narrative of Hollywood elites reducing ancient egypt to a wardrobe option. Which isn't untrue. It's a travesty a hollywood actor with no historical background was allowed to make a history documentary and then cite grandma as a source when she turned it into fucking fanfiction. But at least she is upfront about shoddy sources, making a debunk easy.
What they really don’t like is the truth being told and that’s the truth. If they want to claim the Roman’s time in Egypt fine if you want claim all the invaders time in Egypt fine but when you go back to it’s beginning middle and really it’s end those people were Black Africans it’s a reason they will
Not allow the dna testing by an independent party it’s a resson why they will only release dna from the Roman times funny thing is that doesn’t even tie those Arabs to the land and people that goes right over bigots heads! Not one mummy has been tied to those Arabs not one, but Robert Ross dna 🧬 linked him to his ancient ancestor Pharaoh Ramses lll and he is guess what African American now tell some more lies! The farther you go back the Blacker the people are!
To think that museum holds the oldest identified statue of a pharaoh
@@thatfirstone no im not this museum has the statue of Nynetjer of the II dynasty
I support this Museum in its Endeavor!!!!!!!
@@mmi5833 not my problem
@@imperiumbrasiliae yes it is Your Problem!!!¡ Your ignorance will make you Pay!!!
That goes to show that they know what they are talking about. They know about ancient Egypt's black roots.
Bro, Our Ancestors come from West and Central Africa. Its not hard to figure out. VERY FEW Black People believe this "Black Egypt" thing is in certain communities within Black People in the United States. The reason why some people claim this "Black Egypt" is because we live in a western European culture over here in the United States and Egypt is part of Western history. So it was a place to make us adjacent to history ("Western" History) since Our Ancestors were told we had no history or culture in West and Central Africa by history books.
It was treated as if we had no history before the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that caused people back in the day like Yosef Ben Jochanan and John Henrike Clarke and other, who went to segregated schools as children and told they had no history as Black People, saw that Western History includes Egypt as "Pivotal" in the development of Western History along with the Hellenistic World, Rome, and the Levant. Since Egypt is in Africa (geographically but not politically or culturally) they attached themselves to it.
Hip Hop is a culture that is also adjacent in this way to fringe ideas within the Black Community in the United States. Hip Hop is like Punk for Black People (even though the "Punk Sound" was created by three Black brothers back in the very early 70s). Its a rebellion of social norms and institutions that have historically down played Our History and contributions to Western History and the world at large. So Hip Hop clings on to these ideas of "Black Egypt" as a sense of empowerment.
I have a huge problem with "Black Egypt" because it IGNORES Our actual History in West and Central Africa and the many Empires, Kingdoms and Cultures that thrived there INDIGENOUSLY such as the Nok, Dhar Titchitt, Jenno Jenne, Mali, Songhay, Hausa city states, Benin Kingdom, Kingdom of Nri, Ile Ife, Oyo, Wagadou, The Akan City States, Dahomey, Bakongo Kingdom, etc. Our Ancestors in West Africa did achievements as being on of the few places Agriculture and Pottery was independently discovered. And there is evidence that pottery in West Africa might have found its way North to the Nile Valley through trade with ancient berbers and other Saharan people in the predynastic and pre pottery cultures on the Nile. Iron Metallurgy in Sub-Saharan Africa (excluding Nubia, Kush and The Horn of Africa) may have been discovered independently also but its not conclusive yet but if the consensus agrees we can add it to that list.
We as Black People descended from Enslaved Africans have A LOT to be proud of. I don't need pyramids or hieroglyphics. I wouldn't claim a group of people who had sex with goats and their full siblings. Modern Egyptians can have that and they are the closest to them genetically. I'm good.
For more people like you, please.
Egypt can be debatable at some specific points, but the later claims... Jews, Native Americans, Vikings. It's becoming real cringey.
@@gianperezz2928 Ancient Egyptians used to have intercourse with goats and practiced incest with their daughters. We Black People over here are NOT Descended from that. West Africans didn't do no craziness like that. They can have "Kemet"
I'm glad that you pointed this out, because based on some of the comments here, it's like some people believe more black folk believe in this type of stuff in their highly racist understanding of us.
In fact, this type of problem is why black history should be in schools and in much more depth. But too many people in the States would cry about making white kids feel bad or say it's "woke" which the use of the term in this video's title kinda pisses me off due to it's actual history.
Thank you. So many bad ass ancient Sub-Saharan African kings It's ridiculous. Sub-Saharan Africa is spattered with some of the most fierce warrior tribes. I wish more of your people knew of the tribes and culture of your people.
@@jamescorvus6709 ya west africans just cannabalized each other when not selling their own people then blaming whoever is nearest to them... why do you think their is only black skin and brown eyes in west africa? inbreeding .... west africa wouldn't even have a bicycle if it wasn't for europeans.. let alone the oil refineries trains cars and electricity the europeans brought you.. yet you still compalain... your kings sold your people, then used that money to send their own kids to schools in Europe.. Timbuktu was made by Arabs and egypt was made by Sumerians... literally look at the Stella of the first pharo... he uses Sumerians stamps... not of africa at all.../ Egyptians gave their secrets to the romans and greeks who were more their allies then africans
These are the same peole who cry about "cultural appropriation"
Egypt is one of the most popular ancient civilizations so they want to stole its legacy.
its sad honestly they should leave egypt alone those ppl have been there for centuries+ and nubias what they rlly should talk abt
The museum of If you don"t have an history we"ll associate you with egypt museum
lol yeah, afrocentrists always try their hardest to steal anyones history whenever they get the chance
😅🤣Nailed it!
SWEEPOpS. I have slave Ancestors and Found their family IN WEST AFRICA and went there to get to know their culture. It wasn't THAT hard. You GO There and ask. I don't k ow why they make it so hard on themselves.
You mean no history like that white ARABS in the ARAB Republig of Egypt that stole the Arab lineage from the original BLACK Arabs that were there before they migrated out of the Persian, Ottomoan, Turkish, Kurdish empires??
Museum to expose the rats that have zero contributions to the world, so they had to steal an identity to feel important
I don’t have an issue with this on paper, but it should have been a pop art exhibit at a modern art museum. Not in a classical art and historical museum like Rijksmuseum.
The best evidences were carved on walls by Egyptians of the era, and colored accordingly..... They ranged from dark to light !
All black ppl range from light to dark
Egypt doesn’t play that white-guilt woke western political game. The ban put on that museum by the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities is a win for the Egyptian people, the true descendants of Ancient Egypt. #remenkhēmi
I love how all these Afrocentric people try to claim Egyptian history and culture like there aren't actual Egyptians still around in actual Egypt today to tell them to fuck off and that they're wrong. Hilarious.
They'd say "colonizers" or "genocide" when confronted with that. Infact in this comment section they have 😅😅
Its so stupid bruh it makes no sense for them to claim egypt with no evidence while also never mentioning nubia which is what they should be talkin about
i hate this idea that we dont know what ancient egyptians looked like
they literally drew what they look like if they depicted egyptians 9 times out of 10 they were brown not black like true africans
and not because they only used one skin tone theres depictions of different skin tones but egyptians were pretty much always brown
I'm a white man, but I become very brown every time I go to Egypt.
The museum deserves being banned for allowing an Afrocentric attack on Egyptians. It's a load of historical revisionism. These people are of West and Central African heritage, and their ancestors had no clue that Egypt existed long ago as they were so far away from Egypt. As one scholar said, trying to make Egypt black is about a kind of therapy. If anyone looks at a map of Egypt, they will see it's attached to the Levant, so it's natural they had ancient ancestry from the Levant, so they were most definitely mixed.
I don't believe it to be "an attack". It's misguided assumptions..lack of communication between the museum, the Egyptian people and the American entertainer, if they wanted to include the entertainers at all. I think it shows on the positive side, the respect that African Americans have for the Egyptian culture.
QUINT - CORRECT and VERY observant of you. Finally Some with. A brain and logic .....who looks up maps.
What exactly was revised it’s been proven time and again the Ancient indigenous peoples of Egypt were a Black African Nile Valley Civilization they are still digging up Mummies only to Find out they were Black Shemai the Latest one. Lived during the first intermediate period and was part of the ruling Class So it’s not revisionist history it’s based on factual History.
So they should be banned because they told the truth?
@@The_Truth- It isn't the truth. DNA proved you wrong..cope!
Idk why this whole "race" debate makes up some people entire personality, like who actually cares, the Ancient Egyptians are exactly that, they are ancient, and actual Egyptians are just as closely related to and Ancient Egyptians than I am my Ancient Greek ancestors, they might as well be their own race of people due to how far back they lived and how gene pools work.
Blackocentrists photoshop many of their Egyptian pictures. They darken skin on wall paintings and have widened and blackified features on offical photos of statue busts!
WE WUZ SAMURAI!!
This is a lie
Total lies. We don’t need to darken anything much less pictures shown by European Egyptologists
@@kiuk_kiks we wuz kangz yo!!!!!
@@juamu1132
Y’all are the original “we wuz kangz”. Who goes to Africa then claims their ancestors built the pyramids yet they get melanoma and cancer from being in the African desert sun within weeks of being there?
The black Africans that built the Nile valley civilisations were working topless in nothing but a cotton loincloth in the open African desert in mining, construction & agriculture.
Y’all could never dare do that if your lives depended on it 🤣
This Egypt worship by black Americans - all of whom were West African - is like an Argentine claiming to be an ancient Viking.
You know NOTHING about Black Americans °°Too many American movies!!! No research..Lazy!!!!
it's so bizzare !!
Black Americans are related to Ancient Kemet Civilization of the River Nile Valley Civilization that extend to central Africa.DNA E-V38 and E1b1a
Is the haplogroup.. Ramses lll belong .According to 23 and Me ..;a personal Genomics and Biotechnology Company based in South San Francisco
California. E1b1a haplogroup and E-V38 DNA groups are mainly found today in Northeast Africa,Saharan region,The Sahel. West Africa to East Africa.For example from Senegal to Somalia,Sudan and Ethiopia. Mines is not the complete list of countries. I got addition information as a scientific researcher. Additional according to 23 and Me one of the most famous person whom have E1b1a DNA. Is Mr Nelson Mandela former President of South Africa,belongs to Haplogroup E1b1a(Y-DNA)(also known as E-M2) typical of Bantu peoples.
@@mmi5833 no you are not related to my country
@@eveadel1861Yes I am not an indigenous African.!!!! I don't have the hapologroup E1b1a ,E-V38 DNA i am a History and Scientific Researcher!!! I don't know your country??? What is it exactly?????
🤷 some folks just like taking stuff that isn't theirs 🤷
People whom take things,that's isn't
Theirs are called posers and thieves !!!!
You mean, white people and the Arabs in Egypt.
That's you it not about you!!Arab!!!!
Those inherent of Colonial settlers of AFRICA Northern Coast..Are not related Ancient Kemet Indigenous African River Nile Valley Civilization.
European settlers of Canada, USA are not Indigenous Native Nations!!!
Good that the egyptians are defending themselves!
Kicked Kevin harts little black ass OUT!
And you think Kevin Hart gives a fuck lol his rich and there fighting a loosing Battle I present to you the mummy of Shemai czcams.com/video/qZMGpJCT2xk/video.html
And their loosing the war Rewind to 600AD the Arab invasion one of the last invaders of Kemet.
There's a reason why this country is called the Arab republic of Egypt
@@katakyni1829 In 1900, no Egyptians called themselves Arabs. Syrian, Palestinian, and Lebanese intellectuals were begging Egyptians to call themselves Arabs, and they refused up to the 1930s. Then, they decided it could be a good political idea since they were all Muslims and spoke Arabic, and since Egypt had the biggest population, they could be the leaders. It was about politics. It was Nasser's idea and those who followed him. Pharaohnism is making a come back and fewer and fewer are viewing themselves as Arabs again.
WE
Wuz
Kangz
And Shit
Ty Egypt ... who knew that help against these entitled bullies would come from you?
@Ahmed Sejini and that war became the end of the age of european empires.
@ahmedsejini2401 yeah but today Israel bullies everyone of you nuts alone
Blacks claiming Egyptian ancestry because Egypt is in Africa is like Turks claiming China as Turkish because the two countries are in Asia. They do know that there’s a massive desert in between North African and sub-saharan Africa right?
You failed geography a desert so what you people want to steal everything.
And modern day Egyptians claiming to be descendants of ancient Egyptians is like Europeans claiming to be natives in Australia.
@@amonone399wtf dude
U do know there is no impermeable boundary that block people from going in to other regions from the Shara how do u think the Dogon tribe the Fulani tribe the Lemba tribe the Igbo tribe the Yaruba tribe got to west Africa from North east Africa. Ppl did not stay stagnated in one place in Africa. They traveled in an out of the continent and within the interior of the continent especially if they did not want to be under colonization, taxation are jus under the rule of invaders.
They don't know anything.
True.
Will there also be an exhibit on weeaboos? White people who want to be Asian?
I love that Egypt is standing against cultural appropriation
so are they going to ban beyonce and rihanna and eath wind and fire next??? Thats usually where all this leads
For once, the use of this term is actually correct. An entire culture is literally being taken away from its people.
@@flubnub266 I'm sorry but t he museum has a right to put what ever they want in the exhibit. Do what are they gone pan nas Beyonce and Rihanna and earth wind and fire for album covers that are 20 30 and 40 years old???
@@devanshepard9118 Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Also, I fail to see what a few music albums have to do with attempting to literally rewrite history and culture with lies?
@@flubnub266 having the right means the government should not punish you for your views even if they disagree. From what i seen the museuem is not saying those artist are descendents of the egyptians but that they were inspired by it. so I am asking whats next egypt is going to ban the artist from ever coming to egypt???
Cleopatra was a Tolomey and they were descend from Alexander the greats general and were well known for inbreading to keep power in the family and it also had the effect of keeping them Greek
I dont understand.. why are Egyptians so upset about black Americans highjacking their history?
😂😂
😂
lol
thats a great question and actually the core of the issue. those "lol comments" have no clue.
i think it's pride and related to more recent history of egypt btu im not familiar with this. their national identity really draws on ancient history.
imagine a chinese guy in peking declared jesus was not a gun obsessed white american but asian and peolpe agreed with him. us conservatives would collectively pop brain anheurysms...
you got it right though
Good.
Rewriting history is never good.
Like... wow.
Congrats Museum of Oudheden, you done goofed up.
Where's the second part of the civs vid?
Jealousy, Hate, Envy, Lust and Greed is the root to all EVIL.
I AM THAT EVIL......!!!!!!
@mmi5833 Yes, you are evil. Please be evil elsewhere
The first original Arabs were Black. All civilizations began as melanated people and this is what they don’t want us to know. Because it destroys there whole Superiority theory. They went as far as to labels us as inferior monkeys. But if you shave the hairs off of a monkey it’s pink and in closer proximity to white. With thin lips and goats hair like all other races have. The Neanderthal gene is not found in pure Africans because they are the Replica of the God gene. And we know that they have hated us for that reason alone. The original people that God created was Black every other race of people came from us. Without Black peoples they would not even exist. Two white couples cannot produce a melanated child but two black people can and that’s been scientifically proven again Black people are the prototype of every race of people.
You basically listed every single archtype of negative driving forces and emotions in people.
Like yeah. Water is wet.
it technically isnt
replace "woke" with afrocentric. i think thats more accurate.
i like the idea of showing modern reception of antiquities. reception is something that is usually skimmed over in museology. however it needs to be done with a healthy and easy to understand discussion and reflection. it seems the museum forgot that part... and now it looks like they even side with afrocentrism.
poor archaeologists who got kicked out because of their shitty museum.
very big oof.
I hate Afrocentrist too. They don't see me as the God, I think I am!!
I love Afrocentrism!!! And Netflix Cleopatra !!!!!
Is best to be WOKE...that be sleep around your enemies!!!
@@mmi5833 well that sounds like an informed and factbased opinion...
@@loc1123 Yes.
I don't like the Hotep crap because it glosses over Our ACTUAL History in West and Central Africa, but to be honest Egyptians don't like Black People. Just go ask any African from the Continent and especially in Egypt how they are viewed and treated. Egypt NEVER put up this kind of fight when nazis and other fringe white nationalists claimed Egypt was "white" using the "Dynastic Race Hypothesis". This whole thing is pointless since the Ancient Greeks, people in the West have always tried to claim Egypt for themselves. It will probably never end but the people there today ARE the people from the predynastic up to the modern day because DNA is a proven science.
Would you ever do a video on Ancient Sub-Saharan African civilisations?
Always love seeing racists being told no, no matter the race
Our descendants are going to look back on this time with a sense of awe at how ridiculous insanity seeped into every facit of society and destroyed a large part of human civilization and history, remember that.
this museum is probably funded by the eu therefore all eu nations should be sued into returning egyptian artifacts for misrepresenting and potentially vandalizing them.
Sounds like the UK got out just in time.
not like Egypt will ever win
There's misconception about that, these artifacts were by large not stolen; the Egyptians in the 19th and early 20th century didn't give a shit about the antiquities, in many cases they destroyed them. If anything, European scientists SAVED a lot of these artifacts. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because of a fad strain of marxism that's going to die out in a couple years and which everybody hates.
Love the Title..bring the Ancient Kemet Civilization back to it's Indigenous African Continent. River Nile Valley.
Arabs are invaders alongside Ottoman Turks majority of the Arab Republic of Egypt 🇪🇬 1953-present!
The Qustul Cemetery and the Qustul Incense Burner are indeed older than the Egyptian civilization. This suggests that the Nubians did not copy from the Egyptians, but rather, it was the other way around.
The Qustul Incense Burner, found in a royal tomb at the Qustul Cemetery, is one of the earliest pieces of evidence for the use of royal iconography, predating similar symbols in Egypt. This has led some scholars to suggest that it was the Nubians who influenced the Egyptians, rather than the other way around.
i guess i unserstand why Egyptians wouldn't be cool with this especially bc Nubia was considered to be a completely different place and a rival civilization
loved ur channel already now uve all my respect for speaking out against this on ur channel. lots of appreciation from egypt
Thank you sir 🙏 Why can’t Egyptians just be Egyptians? We must be Nubian Greek Ethiopian Assyrian Persian Arab Roman mix. All these other ethnicities get to be their own ethnicities but Egyptians are the only ones that must be something else.
@@demouchetter Which scholars are those because every DNA sample comes back saying you’re wrong.
@@demouchetter no .. not everyone
Just blk Americans
For obvious reasons
Because the Egyptian identity is not connected to the ancient identity
😂😂
@@trevormcdonald385 says you 😂🇪🇬
Jokes aside, imagine a display about Stonehenge was next to the music video for Brittany Spear's OOPS I DID IT AGAIN. Same thing.
nubians ruled egypt , they were black , but it's not the same dynasty as cleopatra or nefertiri . why are they appropriating non black egyptian rulers specifically ? 🤷♀ that's the real question here
Being specific and critical is not an African-American rapper exploits
way to go egypt well done
I understand what the museum is doing but it`s still cultural appropriation which is apparently `illegal` for non blacks to do. I realise that `whitewashing was a common thing in art/tv and films in the past and is now rightly condemned. The trouble is the same people condemning whitewashing seem to think blackwashing is justified. So it`s not that it is right but that it is revenge.
steal and lies is their only heritage, sad!
Don’t really care for the initial reactionary framing because the video itself and the sentiment behind it is actually really sound
this type of content is so 2016 i was shocked to find out it was only 10 months old. and just like that content its probably just 15 minutes huffing their own farts on the basis of a misreading of some form of media
The cult of diversity: "It's ok when we do it."
Ironically, ancient Egypt was likely genetically diverse and any attempt to classify them as "black" or "white" is wrong. Egyptians ranged in skin color depending on location (according to the best evidence I could find). Claiming ancient Egyptians were black is oversimplifying the complexities of the nations genetic history.
My favorite name for ancient Egypt is Tawmery or mer tawy- I remember the name was a combination of mer=beloved and tawy=land.
thank you!
So far we have black zeus,cleopatra,achilles,andromeda,vikings,samurais,native americans,jews,persians,vlad tsepes the dracula, even the anunnaki the alien race were black!
probably the universe too!
First, andromeda was Ethiopian and also nobody said any of the other shit. The cleopatra thing is a fringe group of loons and there actually was at least one black samurai in the historical record
He got that right, inappropriate is what what it is
awh man i was hoping the title was ironic lmao
Same. Like the video is slightly dodgy and had a semi decent point but also.... eugh
anytime somebody uses the term "woke" or any other buzzword of the sort in their video, i assume that theyre a liiiiittle bit racist
Why would the Dutch decide who claim the present past and future of Nile valley civilization?!
Because Muslims revularly demonstrate that they can not be trusted to critically examine objective-facts. Their societies are Gawd-Mad. Irrational and Dishobest.
@@blenderbanana so , just like europeans killing each other over catholic Vs protestant
and like the americans of bible belt
WHY do you think you or anyone has the right to decide for a NATION it's own history and heritage ?
how is that ok ?
Can we please base history solely off archeological and DNA evidence please, history is important, it’s not supposed to turn into stupid Twitter drama.
The fact that the Egyptians had to kick our Dutch archaeologists out of the dig site because these idiots tried to wokeify Egypt is just embarrassing! This museum should either return all the artifacts or give them to someone more deserving. What a disgrace
Good. Kick em out.
The Qustul Incense Burner is a significant artifact that provides insight into the relationship between the Nubian and Egyptian civilizations. Here’s what we know about it:
The Qustul Incense Burner is distinctively Nubian in form, carved in the technique of Nubian rock art, and decorated on the rim with typical Nubian designs1.
It was found in the tomb of a Nubian ruler at Qustul and incorporates images associated with Egyptian pharaohs: a procession of sacred boats, the White Crown of Upper Egypt, a falcon deity, and the palace facade called a serekh1.
The scenes depicted on the Qustul Incense Burner have excited considerable interest and discussion - why would seemingly Egyptian symbols have been used in Nubia?1
One interpretation is that Nubian A-Group rulers and early Egyptian pharaohs used related royal symbols1. Similarities in rock art of A-Group Nubia and Upper Egypt support this position1.
Another view suggests that the decoration was carved by Nubians in imitation of Egyptian art and rituals1. In this perspective, A-Group Nubian rulers would have emulated the symbols of Egyptian pharaohs, whose prestige and power were evident
Not European, Not Nubian, Kushite or other African, Not Mediterranean, and of course Not Arab (Which most modern inhabitants of Egypt are today), but Egyptians! Heck Egyptians most likely interbred with all of the above, but the core original peoples were most likely their own thing, an ancient race. With the discovery of the Richat structure as the best potential site of Atlantis during the time when the Sahara was lush and green, does it not make sense that ancient Egyptians are the ancestors of the few Atlantians that escaped the Younger Drias Catastrophe in a mass exodus eastward to Egypt? Now I'm getting into theory, but the facts are Egyptians are their own thing as far as history shows.
The video we didn't know we were waiting for.
Arabs and Islam is not Kemet.
Facts.
Mud hut blacks are not Kemet
@@zuhairasif8347 Jealous much.
Indeed, there is evidence suggesting that the Nubian monarchy predates the ancient Egyptian civilization.
The region of Lower Nubia, specifically Qustul (modern-day Aswan), is believed to be the origin of the earliest Pharaohnic Monarchy in the Nile Valley1. Excavations have shown that the White Crown, later used by Upper Egypt, originated from Qustul about 1,000 years before it was used in Egypt1.
The Nubian civilization had its own rich culture that powerfully influenced the land of the pharaohs2. They were diverse peoples with their own beliefs and customs2. Far from being a boring backwater to Egypt, the Nubians exchanged cultural ideas with their neighbors, even setting fashion trends for kings like Tutankhamun2.
Nubia was home to some of Africa’s earliest kingdoms3. Known for rich deposits of gold, Nubia was also the gateway through which luxury products like incense, ivory, and ebony traveled from their source in sub-Saharan Africa to the civilizations of Egypt and the Mediterranean3.
Modern researchers and writers hold differing views on the ancient roots of the Nubians4. However, ample evidence supports the notion that the Nubian civilization predates the ancient Egyptian civilization4.
Swiss archaeologist Charles Bonnet spent decades excavating the lands surrounding the southern Nile and found evidence of a civilization grown rich from trade and abundant with fields and livestock5. This kingdom was distinct from Egypt with its own material culture and traditions
M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, and 1785 (London: 1787), p. 80-83
Just think, "that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!
Annoying woke trash is everywhere.
SHEEEEIT!
We wuz heegyptianz n shieeeeet, uccept diz brothas
we wuz the original egyptians!! [insert afrocentric “evidence” to support their trash claim here]
Egyptians didn't have blue eyes and blond hair. Also, Europeans were living in caves.
The ancient greeks will tell you who were the egyptians
Back to the question. Why didn't Egypt ban the U.S. and Gloria Gray.
Because they don’t control either
This is hilarious. Go woke and go broke
The Rijksmuseum going broke? Lmfao keep dreaming
and you have no education so there you go
Lol, one can look at the pictures on the walls of Egypt and see that the people that we think of Egyptian today are not the same people (or descendant of those people) from 1526 BC etc. Just like 500 years ago America was not the European place that it is now do to invasions etc.
Janelle Monae is Afro-Futurism, which is forward-thinking science-fiction influences. She doesn't include any Egyptian imagery, and she's great.
It’s important to acknowledge the root issues that brought us here, a vital one being anti-Blackness. At least speaking for American descendants of slavery (I cannot and will not comment on Afrocentrism from the perspectives of Africans), our ancestors in this land were completely severed from their culture and continue to be dehumanized and told that we inferior in all ways. Seeking information and connection to African cultures to recover roots and a sense of cultural pride is intersecting with the fascination and fetish for ancient Egyptian culture that as has captured not only the American population but peoples all around the world for generations. Nowadays, descendants of slaves can access information that shows *most of our ancestors came from societies in West and Central Africa*. This is information that I learned as an adult in just the past year, information that was never shared in public school history curriculum and still does not seem to be commonly known among the Black community. White Supremacist American society has also taught us to view Africa as one big homogeneous mass with a few alleged stand out cultures like Egypt, when this is disgustingly untrue, as a Africa is a continent with seemingly infinite biological and cultural diversity (Eurocentrist White Supremacy is also responsible for stereotyping that Africa = Black, which is another major root cause of our troubles here). I don’t support what the exhibit creators may have been trying to do here, nor do I want to say “don’t blame them, they didn’t know any better” for anyone who buys into the mindset of asserting ancient Egypt as Black (and note that our understandings of race constantly evolve, and are pretty much not at all rooted in fact, but instead reflect biases and power struggles between different population groups..) We must understand that the apparent appropriation or revision of Egyptian history/culture to connect it to Black African ancestry does not come from some kind of place of greed or arrogance-it is the byproduct of a centuries-long yearning to make our way home and understand where and who we came from. It will take time and intentional effort to get us there-don’t pretend we have been more than a little bit lost on our journey without any reason. Context matters.
"(Eurocentrist White Supremacy is also responsible for stereotyping that Africa = Black, which is another major root cause of our troubles here)"
Must be an American thing, considering Europeans literally were in contact with the people of Nothern Africa, thus informing them pretty well on who lived there, especially considering that region used to be part of the Roman Empire itself.
Wow TLDR lmao
Great comment, sadly, due to the use of buzzwords in the video's title, people in the comments aren't likely to care. Anti-blackness is in full force in the comments.
very informative comment, and much needed context I wish this video could have elaborated on, instead of applying a "woke" buzzword to it.
Let's talk Levatine burial practices. Levantines buried their people under their dwellings. Levantines would plaster the skulls of their dead. But, the Levantines would have you believe they changed their language, their writing practices, and their burial practices and ventured south to Egypt and played a role in founding the civilization.
Lots of Levantines did have ancient cemeteries FYI., Jews also had tombs, mausoleums They discovered a 16,500 cemetery in ancient Jordan. Also, New Kingdom mummies were tested by geneticists and found to have ancient Near Eastern DNA. Also, just because you are related doesn't mean there cannot be vast differences. I mean Mongolians, Koreans, and Japanese people are related, but there are large differences. It's not simply the Levantines who would have you believe, but scholars and geneticists. And it's very clear that most of the Fayyum portrait people look similar to Levantines. Copts look similar to Levantines, though they have no Arab or Turkish ancestry since they are Christians.
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUS So I'm guessing you will be explaining why they didn't bring their written language, burial practices, are religion with them into Egypt.
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUSfayuumites were Greek. The fayuum was abandoned by the indigenous and rebuilt by Alexander for his military forces. This is common knowledge.
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUScopts are also Greek. Coptic is a Greek bridging language.
Those are burial practices from the Pre pottery Neolithic of Levant but Egyptians were descending from a population related to Mesolithic Natufianas from the Levant. Even in Neolithic some people must have moved from the Fertile Crescent to the Nile Valley because someone must have brought agriculture and domesticated animals in that region.
Glad you don’t frame any other videos (to my knowledge) like the title because I fell like complaining about “wokeness” will attract the wrong crowd to your videos
This wouldn't have been quite so offense, if this had been a display at an art museum. Art is subjective, the history of a people streching back to the dawn of human civilization, is not. They absolutely should apologize to the Egyptians. *mutters annoyed profanity under breath*
The truth probably hurt hard. We know about the first hunter gatherers out of Africa into Europe were dark black skin Homo Sapiens and populated the whole world out of Africa science DNA test of Mitochondrial Eve; this was documented over 20 years ago by Nuclear DNA and all human living today share identical ancestors, it's skin colour that separate us. People that are refuting (1st Dynasty Pharaoh as people of colour/color which are the descendants of those Homo Sapiens, until all those invasion of Ancient Kemet/Egypt the 1st being Hyksos who were invaders of colour/color also.
The colour/color of Pharaoh's changed especially after what is called, the Late period of Ancient Egypt by invaders again, nearly 2000 years later, long after Ramesses(one of the greatest Pharaoh's whose descendants are alive today in Atlanta USA), then Tutankhamen who wasn't even one of the greatest Pharaoh's, he only got famous by having paintings,Gold of his face and treasures found; who are both Pharaoh's of colour/color just look at the original drawings, gold throne and not the Ai/Hollywood Propaganda version)/0r denying Nuclear DNA of Homo Sapiens probably are ignorant, looking for clicks, gaslighting, doing it for a laugh, or even more; why? Because DNA will hold up as evidence in every Law court on planet Earth(you need a functioning brain to know this). All this is facts, don't take my word, do your own research. DNA don't lie/gaslight, or generate Ai of themselves; only people do.
Something got me thinking, watching this and for a British man that is very Dangerous. As, an historian, I've read tons of books in the British Library about history, back in my days we never had internet at a click of a button 24 hrs, we had to go to libraries at set times and do the hard graft; I keep trying to tell those youngsters how lucky they are in today world, but they keep laughing at me.
Anyway, back to my thinking, when Homo Sapiens(remember all living people on planet earth share exactly the same ancestry) were roaming the world, they came across other species of Homo, e.g. Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalensis and other Homo who scientists are now discovering in the 21st century, who I guess would had roam the world of Pangaea when the world was a super continent and had been breaking up for millions and millions of years ago and still today breaking up today and splitting East Africa etc etc.
Now, this must had shocked our DNA ancestors Homo Sapiens meeting other strange Homo species' and as usual we like to fight, start wars (this is probably the real WW1 for Homo Sapiens), out smart our enemies, conquer, pillage, rape, commit genocide, take land and claim as ours ( hoping that no historian is around to write about it or document it, in 50 to 100 years). It's all in our ancient history and even still happening today in Ukraine, Sudan and other wars around the world.
Back to my thinking, when watching other CZcams videos/reading that said 2 percent or even more of Neanderthal DNA are in some Homo Sapiens in our DNA today, can it be scientists were wrong (it's not the first time in history) when they said our white skin /Light skin pigmentation came through climate change etc etc albeit it actually came through Homo Sapiens interbreeding with Neanderthals, who had a light skin complexion and the mutation change of skin colour/color changed to Light skin pigmentation.
Why I said, commenting, or thinking this, is because when a black person has a baby with a white person, the baby will come out mixed race and if that mixed race person had children with a white skin person afterwards, and the next generation had a baby with a white person, all future generations will be white/light skin and we see that in Cheddar man who had blue eyes all by the Nuclear DNA test, his descendants who are now all white skin people with the same blue eyes(probably the other conquerers afterwards interbreeding).
Sometimes the mutation of the DNA of a black skin person having a child with a Light/white skin person could be one generation; we all seen a black/white person give birth to a blond hair blue eyes baby. People should read books/E Library on Light skin/Nuclear DNA mutation, they will realise/understand, that intellect, rational arguments without violent/hate/abuse and lifelong ongoing Education whatever your Age, schools teach you the basics(making majority of the population extremely ignorant; have you Noticed) that's why doing University/Master/PHD/Doctorates degrees etc will elevate your minds to another level of learning. On going learning is far more important than Supremacy that was invented to Divide and Trick us to generate Taxes/Wealth creation for the few, and that's to all skin colours/colors/race.
Also, what I have observed over our history is those black skin people in colder climates haven't changed colour/color or got any lighter in skin pigmentation; only the clothing attire has changed to keep them warm. Please people/scientists tell me what you think about my crazy British theory and be hard honest, I like criticism, it promotes change in me, in a positive way of learning; but it's not for everyone.
Other reasons are depopulation, invaders having children with local people and over 50 to 100 years bulk population change, the skin colour changes like you see in e.g. Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dom/Rep etc. The extreme is Vitiligo, when mutation change your skin colour/color from black to white, it's been documented look up " person that turn from black to white" Michael J is the famous one. If you are religious, there's even a case where a person prayed to be white and turned from black skin to white skin(I kid you not). Everything I have told you it's the truth with facts not gaslighting for cash, please don't take my words, you look it up and do your own research/reading. This proof racism on skin colour is extremely ignorant in the 21st century, invented for exploitation of others, greed and wealth for the few and higher and ongoing education/DNA is far more important/positive to challenge lies, gaslighting and that's what all manipulating people do without showing you the facts; always ask them for that(Be your own Judge).
P.S. Let this British man tell you another little/big secret I read in the British Library years ago, Taxes weren't invented by the Romans/Greek but by again the Ancient Egyptians over 3000 BC, you do the math's that's around 5000 years ago( do your own research). Something else, some/majority of you people learnt today(I warned you not to believe/trust Hollywood or Ai: which is a biased on an ignorant person input). As, I said History/Learning is ongoing from 1 years old to 99 years old to a Centenarian and it will definitely Surprise YOU!
Remember us British reinvented/taught the world, to respect/learning from the Ancient world, reinvented some of the Greatest Democracies/Countries in the world,e.g America, Canada, Australia, equal Justice in our, the Greatest Law courts in the world (for the poor/rich), Greatest Universities in the world, founded Tutankhamen for the world, even with all our wrongs/right and gave it all back; WW1/2 were our Karma, (just ignore me, I'm only Boasting again).🇬🇧
Generally, I hate leaving long comments on youtube and I hope this doesnt become one but I feel like sooo many people are missing the necessary amount of nuance for this conversation.
I believe Egypt was a largely mixed civilization, what we would consider black and middle eastern today. They just considered themselves Egyptian as modern definitions of race did not exist until modern times. Just like Greeks considered themselves Greek before anything else (outside of whatever polis they might've been from)
Even Greece had people from far off and away as part of its civilization. It is not hard to find characters from anywhere besides Greece in their stories. Nubia and Axum used Greek as court languages for periods of their history. India traded with every culture that had even a little bit of coast in the Indian Ocean. Cultural interchange is a fundamental facet of human behavior and Egypt was no exception.
People often times try to say its unlikely for Egypt to have much connection with black Africa because of the desert but they shared a border with Nubia and regularly engaged in trade and war with them. Sometimes combining the two by employing the Medjay as mercenaries and sometimes as a police force in a local application.
Various pharaohs and non-royal dignitaries (besides the 25th dynasty) are belived to have Nubian ancestry without being Nubian themselves. The Sphinx's, whose face is model on King Khafre of the Fourth Dynasty, honestly looks like a black man's face to me. They were egyptian. There have been wives to pharoahs from Nubia (as well as Hattusa and other places). I recall reading of a pharoah born to a Nubian mother and Canaanite father, unfortunately I can't recall the name, still he is rightfully part of the pride of Egyptians because he was Egyptian.
I never really understood why Cleopatra was made black in that documentary. Her ancestry, while not completely disclosed, is known enough that it could be pretty safely assumed she was likely white.
I generally don't care for when people say things like "modern egyptians aren't the real egyptians" or "they're invaders", its just rude and makes it hard to take them seriously. Modern Egyptians are the descendents of ancient egyptians and as such have a rightful claim to the history that comes with that, but that doesn't mean the egyptians couldn't be black. It only takes 3-4 generations for a set of genes to become a totally different race. My favorite example to give people, just for the sake of visibilty and ease to look up, is Drake, his father, and his son. All three people have the exact same Y chromosome, if archeologists 1000 years from now were to look at the genetic relation, they'd assume them all the same race. Funnily enough, going from generally black (his father) to 50/50 (himself) and pretty much white (his son) there is an apparent family resemblence.
I dont believe most diasporic africans have much of a personal ancestral claim to ancient egypt. Most black people don't believe so, but instead the belief that there either A) Egypt was a generally black society or B) There was a notable black presence in Egyptian society. Black Americans know their ancestry is largely west and central Africa (which are regular acknowleged for having their own rich histories) but personal ancestry has nothing to do with the point that is trying to be made. You dont have to be Italian to make a point that Rome was likely a largely White society (it likely also had a mix of races due to the breath of its sphere of influence, like all metropolitan societies)
Egypt was probably a gradient of sorts, blacker in the south and more levantine in the north. Imagery, customs, and material culture has come in from both directions over the course of millenia to create one of the most iconic civiliazations on the face of the earth. Regardless of skin color, they were always Egyptian.
To be from anywhere is to be a mix of everything around you because humans do not belive in sitting still. We are in the process of converting outer space from a wall to a road, no earthly feature was going to stop us then or now.
P.S. I do feel like the relationship the museum tried to establish was contentious. I doubt any of those artists were really claiming Egyptian ancestry, maybe a connection with the culture? Well intended but maybe better execution.
P.S.S. Any responses, whether you agree with me or not are welcome, just please try to not act like you're on the internet.
Don't be fucking with EWF!
Title should be afrocentric museum not 'woke' museum
There are several pharoahs thought to have nubian ancestry, to say that egypt was a mixed culture and would have included some population of Sub-Saharan africans isnt afrocentrism or "woke"
i don’t think woke is the right word for this
How about culture usurpers?
@@dr.banoub9233 funny you mention the word usurpers when that is exactly what the government that now occupies the land is. Tell me again when did the inhabitants of Kemet decide to change the name of their land and switch their entire language to Arabic? When did the country become so foul in its anti-blackness?
@@dr.banoub9233 cultural appropriation
"The Egyptian hieroglyph for face"
why its always tut, and other racially egipcian/arab/middle Eastern/Mediterranean pharaohs and never the nubians?? and even in that regard not every black African has the same color or the same culture, it's a diverse place like Europe or Asia, it's as if a Japanese was proud because a Indian Raj was Asian too
No way