The Victorinox Pioneer! EDC Icon… but is it the best option in 2020??

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  • čas přidán 18. 12. 2020
  • This is an overview of the Victorinox Pioneer Alox Swiss Army Knife.
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Komentáře • 81

  • @toolsgear2695
    @toolsgear2695 Před rokem +7

    The pioneer does everything that I need a knife to do. I love the reamer and use it for everything. I’m not a big scissor fan but I did buy the pioneer x which is really nice. 👍

    • @billcrowle
      @billcrowle Před 11 dny

      Always like the scissors on all my SAKs

  • @tidge879
    @tidge879 Před 2 lety +3

    I use the awl a lot for locating screw holes. In soft wood you can easily use it to start a pilot hole if you don't have a small drill bit to hand.

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety +13

    They did not change the name to Pioneer after the Soldier was discontinued...
    The Alox Soldier (model 1961) was actually BASED ON THE PIONEER (that was introduced in 1957 already)!

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety +7

    I use the reamer for all kinds of random tasks - but mainly for opening packages. It's sharp enough for that, and this way I can keep my blade clean for food.

    • @alexpaulk9364
      @alexpaulk9364 Před 2 lety +1

      The awl scrapes fatwood really well.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 2 lety

      Interesting

    • @nobodxy
      @nobodxy Před 2 lety +1

      That's exactly what I am thinking! Keep the knife blade sharp and not sticky and use the reamer as a beater

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety +11

    Your explanation of the SAK history is not totally correct in some points.
    Only Vic is based in Ibach (in the German speaking part of Switzerland). Wenger was based in Delémont (in the French speaking part).
    They were not the only companies making the first versions of Swiss Army knives. In the beginning, there were like 30 different manufacturers, some of them not even Swiss but German.
    Actually, back in 1890, the first knives for the Swiss Army were produced in Solingen, Germany. Victorinox (back then: Elsener) and the predecessor of Wenger (Paul Boechat & Cie) only joined the production later (1891 and 1893).
    The model 1908 was still made by various companies for a while, then a bit later (I'm not sure when) the contract was split between Victorinox and Wenger only. (But as an excpetion, in 1956/57, there was a 3rd manufacturer called Röthlisberger - Bärau.)

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 3 lety +2

      I’ve never heard the story explained in this much detail! That’s crazy! Thanks so much!

  • @germanicus5066
    @germanicus5066 Před 2 lety +4

    Get the pioneer x. Scissors take it to next level. I ditched mine at Detroit airport so TSA can’t get it. We will be reunited tomorrow.

    • @WD-41469
      @WD-41469 Před rokem +1

      Was it still there?

    • @germanicus5066
      @germanicus5066 Před rokem +5

      @@WD-41469 yes. Hid it behind the heaters in the transfer from rental shuttle bus to terminal.

    • @WD-41469
      @WD-41469 Před rokem +1

      Nice dude, I hate giving up my edc’s. They’re like a security blanket. Good luck out there.

    • @germanicus5066
      @germanicus5066 Před rokem

      @@WD-41469 amen. It’s a bit big for EDC unless you toss in backpack but Wuben C3 flashlight on Amazon is awesome.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před rokem +1

      Le me observing this conversation with other a primary pocket knife, a Manker Striker, a Leatherman Free P2, a pen, phone, wallet, and beats earbuds all in my all pockets…😅🫣

  • @rafaelperez1111
    @rafaelperez1111 Před 3 lety +1

    Wow!!! Thanks for showing us 👍🏼👀👍🏼

  • @ChrisAlthausen
    @ChrisAlthausen Před 3 lety +2

    Today is my birthday. My wife just gave me a Victorinox Farmer. I couldn't be more happy. Together with my beloved Minichamp I think I got it all covered as an EDC combo. I also have a SwissChamp and a Cybertool (34 or M). Both are too big to carry on a pocket.

  • @anthonyschumacher9925
    @anthonyschumacher9925 Před rokem +1

    Good video. Agree with everything you said. The fun is endless with these. Just got my anti SAK, SAK. The single (main blade only) silver Alox. I've got ten or so sak's and thought just for giggles I need one with only one tool. Good as a letter opener/office item.

  • @allanlarmour7460
    @allanlarmour7460 Před 2 lety +5

    I have a couple of these, Alox, and a few 91mm and a few more 111mm. To the untrained eye the all look identical but to anyone paying attention every SAK is like a fingerprint.
    I've the Pioneer X because scissors are more useful than anything else, I use them everyday. I rarely use the main blade, don't think I have. I have a Ranger, it also has scissors but it has a saw and a metal saw/file as well. Not used nearly as often as the scissors but still very handy to half.
    Not having enough scissors I ordered the Alox Farmer, Farmer X of course. The X is for Scissors! Who knew! I have received my new Farmer X yet but I am sure the scissors will be like razors.
    You know that SAK really stands for Scissors And Knife. Not many people know that. Probably because I just made it up.
    I subscribed

    • @Mjolbaggar
      @Mjolbaggar Před 2 lety

      What are you using the scissors for? I ask becose i cant think of that many uses in daily life.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 2 lety

      The Scissors are more of a convenience thing I would say. They’re extremely good scissors. So if you have torn pockets, a thread you need to cut off some sneakers. A plastic clamshell package. Little things like that that you technically could use a Knife for, however decisions might be more controlled and precise

    • @allanlarmour7460
      @allanlarmour7460 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Mjolbaggar Well, I am a gardener, I grow all sorts of things. I am always taking cuttings from other plants, I grow into new plants and there is something about the scissor blades on an SAK that seem to not only increase my success rate but they don't seem to stress the new cuttings the same way other methods I've used to remove cuttings from plants. The difference is visible to the eye. Besides that there's other things I use them for like cutting/ trimming cigarette papers. They aren't bad for fingernails either.

    • @Mjolbaggar
      @Mjolbaggar Před 2 lety +2

      @@allanlarmour7460 ok, thanks for the reply. i guess thats the reason victorinox can make all these models. different people have different needs.

    • @allanlarmour7460
      @allanlarmour7460 Před 2 lety

      @@Mjolbaggar No problem, there's a SAK for everyone. I have bought them as presents for people I know, my Son's and I've even bought my wife the climber and a Limited edition ( Flags of the world) that has one small blade, a nail file and scissors. She uses the scissors on both regularly. If you vape or smoke they are handy to have. And as I've already mentioned they are so handy to have in most gardens.
      Sometimes you could use an open blade but the scissors are definitely safer. LOL I could sell these for a living but I don't, honestly I am just a fan.

  • @adrenalinegroove
    @adrenalinegroove Před 3 lety +4

    I carry a Pioneer X with me daily, but I also carry a SAK Handyman. I find myself using the handyman more often than the pioneer, however, the pioneer is excellent and the tools are beefier than the average sak, so I don't have to worry about hard use as much

  • @dakotasummers1585
    @dakotasummers1585 Před 3 lety +4

    I carry an Explorer in black, got it because it has the magnifying glass, I love the thing.

    • @gabithemagyar
      @gabithemagyar Před 2 lety +1

      Me too :-) I got the explorer to be my travel knife . Used to take the Outrider but some places do not allow locking blades any more.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 2 lety +2

      I just used my Explorer today to get something out of my dogs fur. One of the all times greats

  • @michalurbanful
    @michalurbanful Před 3 měsíci

    Vic Pioneer is a great knife. It is basically my EDC (I have it at myself at home, when going for walks, at job even though I work in office), I only swich to Vic Forester when canoeing, hiking etc. in which case the Pioneer is my backup. The Emperor protects! :D
    PS: What I would like if it had a combo opener and a sheepsfoot blade instead of the two openers. :)

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety +4

    I already liked Swiss army knives when I was a kid, but I really fell in love when I got to know the Alox version (when I saw a friend's red Cadet about 6 years ago). I bought "a few" since then...

    • @name5949
      @name5949 Před 3 lety +2

      My favourite Swiss army knife is the victorinox fieldmaster been using it for many many years but I've seen a Swiss army knife that I'm really interested in and the name of it is called the farmer X the reason why I'm very interested in the farmer X is because it's got nearly all of the same tools as My favourite fieldmaster but the problem with my fieldmaster is after many years of useing it the red scales get a little bit loose i know i can put new red scales on but this is the reason why I'm very interested in the victorinox farmer X I've never had a Swiss army knife with the alley scales before so it's a 1st for me

    • @miklospinter
      @miklospinter Před 3 lety +1

      @@name5949 if you can live without some of the additional tools that the Fieldmaster has, I think you won't be disappointed.
      The 93 mm Alox knives have bigger and thicker tools. They are a bit heavier but thinner, and they feel so much more robust! And the inline awl is a great, very versatile tool.

    • @name5949
      @name5949 Před 3 lety +1

      @@miklospinter Sorry to describe you miklospinter I've received my victorinox farmer x and I've been using it for a day now and you are so right I've put both of them together under a camera scope and everything on the 93mm is alot stronger and bigger as well why didn't I pick up the 93mm years ago I don't know they're just a beautiful knife but now I'm feeling a little sad😥 because my old friend the victorinox fieldmaster is just sitting on the side and that Swiss army knife had sarvd me very well for more than 20years so now I'm putting some lovely clear red scales on it and even the pen and pan because it's been with me every single day for more than 20years and now when I look over at it just sitting around I feel selfish because this is the way I feel over it anyway thanks again pal I really appreciate your recommendation thanks again pal

    • @miklospinter
      @miklospinter Před 3 lety +3

      @@name5949 You are welcome :)
      I'm glad you like the Farmer X!
      And don't be sad about your fieldmaster! Sometimes we just move on... When I discovered the Alox knives, I also retired my Small Tinker, the first SAK that I bought with my own money. Now it sits in my collection with all the memories we made, and at least there is no risk that I lose it somewhere outside :)

    • @name5949
      @name5949 Před 3 lety +1

      @@miklospinter you are right i love my new farmer X thank you

  • @name5949
    @name5949 Před 3 lety

    Hello there buddy I've just seen a comment you send over to Ben tx tool crib about the Leatherman bond on the picture you sent it looks like the might have fixed the problem on the bond knife blade did you hear anything else about it?? By the way i love those alox Swiss army knifes my EDC is the victorinox farmer x and i love it thanks again pal 👍🏻

  • @ludoA.K.A
    @ludoA.K.A Před rokem +3

    There are more complete SAKs, cheaper than the Pioneer (and the Farmer, released almost at the same time), more practical, etc, etc, etc.
    But the Pioneer remains and will remain the model of the Swiss soldier's knife, in service from 1961 until 2008. You don't buy a Pioneer like you buy a Huntsman or another Alox model : above all, you buy a legend, a legacy, part of Swiss military history.
    Is it worth it in 2020, 2021 and, today, in 2022? Of course, yes ! And the answer will be the same in 2023, 2033, towards infinity and beyond 😎
    The top for a SAK collector is, in my opinion, to have his officer's knife marked with his own date of birth. Congratulations on your "Model 1961" from 1992! It's awesome.
    Long live the original Pioneer (I leave the Pioneer X and Farmer X to the housewives 🤣 Want a pair of scissors, waxing yourself while cleaning the piece of steak stuck between your teeth ? Look like MacGyver ? Victorinox offers dozens of them with scales in Cellidor. The Pioneer has another DNA.)

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před rokem

      Unfortunately lost my 1992 Soldier. But I got a KL92.

  • @MrShankism
    @MrShankism Před 2 lety

    Is that a koenig? Came here for tthe SAK but now i want whatever that was

  • @OverlandPNW
    @OverlandPNW Před 3 lety

    Great knives !

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety +3

    Great story with your first Soldier! Too bad that it came to sad end :(

  • @solidaudioTV
    @solidaudioTV Před 2 lety +2

    The Pioneer is definitely good but the Pioneer X and Farmer are even better, unless weight or thickness are an issue. For me, the ideal Alox knife right now is the Pioneer X with the bottle opener swapped out for the electrician blade. I really like having a short blade and I find the can opener a more useful tool and screwdriver than the bottle opener anyway. Granted this mod loses a bit of prybar capability but I can easily solve that by having a Leatherman Rebar nearby, which also gives me pliers, a saw, a file, and a nice 3D phillips!

  • @orange010
    @orange010 Před 3 lety +1

    Wenger was one of two companies that have manufactured Swiss Army knives. Based in Delémont, Switzerland.
    Wenger was acquired by rival Victorinox in 2005.
    Since 2013, Wenger Swiss Army knives are integrated in the Victorinox collection (as the "Delémont collection");
    the brand Wenger remains for watches and licensed products.

    • @miklospinter
      @miklospinter Před 3 lety

      But they have a 65 mm model called Wenger, with a Wenger logo and even "WENGER" written on the front scale, but with a Vic tang stamp.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 3 lety

      I have one that is a rail inspector that has a red front scale and a white rear scale. But it’s their standard 85mm

  • @nobodxy
    @nobodxy Před 2 lety +2

    I got one of the nespresso ones! Looks super nice! The only real downside of the alox models is that thy don't have the tweezers that's why i carry a small classic as well (plus added bonus of the scissors)

    • @kabayan9746
      @kabayan9746 Před 2 lety +1

      i do the same, always have the classic on my key chain so i still have the toothpick, tweezer, and though tiny still a scissor :)

  • @simonh6371
    @simonh6371 Před 2 lety +2

    I can't believe I never heard the (old) Soldier referred to as M61 but that is of course the correct designation, just as the SIG Swiss Army military canteen with cup I own are called M84.
    But I have to be pedantic and correct you on one point, Wenger is not based in Ybach where Victorinox are, Wenger is in Delemont, hence Victorinox call their Wenger-style models the Delemont collection, as they took over the Wenger knife factory there and rather than closing it they kept making knives there with the same machinery/tooling and the same employees, just under the brand Victorinox.
    I say Wenger ''is'' in Delemont because it was only the knife division which Vic took over and Wenger still make watches and other items in Delemont.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 2 lety +1

      Correct. Sometimes I get to excited and my mouth runs away from my brain. 🤪

  • @frits1954X2
    @frits1954X2 Před 3 lety +3

    Germany Belgium and the Netherlands had the same army knife since 1961 until -/+ 2008
    we now have the new Soldatenmesser 08 which is also used by the american army in black
    Best regards
    Frits from the Netherlands

  • @ironman2326
    @ironman2326 Před rokem

    I remember accidentally bringing my pocket knife to school a few times in elementary school and being afraid I'd get caught. I never told anyone and was never found out. In high school I got tired of leaving them in my drawer and trying to remember to take them out of my pocket so I carried a tactical folder and swiss army knife sophomore-senior year everyday. Luckily never got caught. 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @johnfadds6089
    @johnfadds6089 Před 2 lety

    I have the Climber and Deluxe Tinker

  • @stoutdog56
    @stoutdog56 Před 3 lety

    Good and informative video. I hate that your Soldier was confiscated and lost by your school principal. He had no right to do so, especially with it being your property and of sentimental value. So much for being up front and honest. I'm glad you were able acquire a replacement.
    I'm a knife enthusiast and have been collecting the Pioneer and its other variants (X and Solo) for about the last 3 years. I chose it over the more popular Cadet because of the size. While I miss the tooth pick and tweezers on the conventional series, I keep a Classic SD on my key ring so I'm covered.
    I have several Tinker's and Tinker Deluxe's, and a Farmer. I have to admit the Batman Alox in my favorite slim minimalist EDC companion of late.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 3 lety

      Well to put your mind at ease it was actually return to my step dad, and then he put it away and then when he passed away my stepsister‘s got all his stuff. So who knows what happened to that knife after that.

  • @wis1024
    @wis1024 Před rokem

    My buddy uses one of these for dressing squirrel, rabbits, and pheasant. He swears by it.

  • @billcrowle
    @billcrowle Před 5 dny

    I just discovered a new use for the saw blade..
    It works well to comb my moustache!! Just after a little trim it sweeps out loose hair...

  • @contrabassbob
    @contrabassbob Před 2 lety

    Vic Pioneers are my spirit animals. That said they're not the most consistent things. I have some with a great snap and one with a terrible, sloppy snap (ironically enough my first Pioneer). I do think the Cadet is a better gift for normies. I keep an Alox Bantam in my wallet and carry a Pioneer though I occasionally consider picking up a Farmer for woodsy stuff.

  • @dakotasummers1585
    @dakotasummers1585 Před 3 lety +1

    One tool? I’d take a Leatherman. I just need the heavy duty stuff, I like tinkering etc. a super tool 300, or a surge.

    • @OneSillyWanker
      @OneSillyWanker Před 2 lety +4

      The Super Tool 300 is the best multi tool I have ever had.

    • @JadeGeminiM390
      @JadeGeminiM390  Před 2 lety

      I love my Charge G10 carry it and the bit kit everyday

    • @dakotasummers1585
      @dakotasummers1585 Před 2 lety

      @@JadeGeminiM390 the charge looks nice but I need beefier pliers, surge or Supertool for me

  • @BigMacOrange
    @BigMacOrange Před rokem

    I have a soldier marked from 1990.

  • @void1984
    @void1984 Před rokem

    I you like scissors so much, you can get LM Micra instead.

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety +4

    Your Bugnard is a Harvester. The Rancher would not have a saw.

  • @MrPsiman
    @MrPsiman Před 11 měsíci

    get a 60's Alox Soldier. They are another level of heavy duty compared to the ones after the mid 70's. I like current 93mm Alox stuff but it's not in the league of the 60's stuff

  • @davidcooper6704
    @davidcooper6704 Před 3 lety +1

    These knives are excellent. If folk don't know how to close a tool/blade properly without cutting themslves, they shouldn't own one.

  • @billcrowle
    @billcrowle Před 11 dny

    I can not get the tools open on my 2 Alox SAKs like you do, break even my 80 yo thumbnail..

  • @gerhardesterhuizen7097
    @gerhardesterhuizen7097 Před 2 lety +1

    I only own 30 of them…… its not an addiction

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety

    A real Swiss soldier might have carried this. But not for sure, because they also sold this model on the civilian market. I'm not sure since when, but I guess in '92 they already did.
    (In the 90s they even offered a version with key ring, but that version was not issued to the Army, it was only sold to the public.)

  • @fredperry9235
    @fredperry9235 Před 3 lety +2

    Pioneer x with ✂️

  • @miklospinter
    @miklospinter Před 3 lety

    The Farmer was also already introduced in 1957, together with the Pioneer.
    (But in the first few years they had a rounded awl with a cutout for it in the back scale, like the old Soldier knives.)

  • @bigchiponmyshoulder7573
    @bigchiponmyshoulder7573 Před 6 měsíci

    Nice knives and informative vid but pose stop waving your hands about mate - Very distracting

  • @Glockenstein0869
    @Glockenstein0869 Před rokem

    What is the hands thing? Easy Sparky. You are ruining your content by this distraction. You are trying too hard. We are interested in the knife so let that be the focus.

  • @BigMacOrange
    @BigMacOrange Před rokem

    Your volume is low af.