Old World deserves way more visibility in the strategy space. If you’re okay with the more limited scope I think it’s probably the best “traditional” 4x since Civ 5 wrapped up.
The limited part is the best part imo, I’ve always hated leaving the classical era in civ and usually play with extended eras and other mods that prolong the game.
@@justanewskrub Honestly for me, if I'm staying as limited as the time areas, I'd prefer something like an old total war or paradox game, since I like having the real world history in it. For a 4x game (and honestly in general), I really like game progression to lead to drastic changes in gameplay, ie going from small land based armies in classical era civ to including planes, artillery, ships, nukes, etc in later eras, or going from just a few cultural units in AoW4, to powerful spells and mythic units.
The tribes are basically a cross between barbarians and city states and is probably the most anthropologically honest representation in any 4x game. Props to the devs for finding a compelling way to respect different cultures
@mad2403 agreed, it seems to understand the rock, paper, scissors element. Most of the games I've played with nothing but military domination in mind and it is very challenging.
Absolutely love Old World! So glad to see you come back to it! Old World and Against The Storm so close to each other is a blessing to us all, awesome games I love seeing you play.
If this turns into a series I’ve got a hot tip for utilizing builder leaders. Their special ability allows you to use multiple builders at once to speed up building infrastructure while only paying the orders cost for one builder. It’s a busted ability that turbo charges your economy. By far the most powerful leader archetype in my opinion.
Welp, I bought Old World in early access ages ago and you’ve reinvigorated my interest. I’m going to fire it back up again with the upcoming DLC release. Cheers 🥃🥔
This game is awesome. I had a jealous aunt assassinate my benevolent King and his daughter, leaving the 6 year old granddaughter as queen. The estranged uncle offered to be her king regent in her stead, as right before the previous king had died I had interceded the uncle on his behalf by being so pious. The new king regent tutored and trained the granddaughter in the ways of being a warrior, and she grew into a hero of the nation who took back the throne after finishing her training, threw the assassins in prison, and proceeded to dominate a military campaign against the invading hordes, overseeing the defeat of some 100+ units and leveling into an absolute force as a general on the battlefield, staying in power all the way to a victory.
So good to see you promoting this gem! Most of the people I saw trying it played it completely wrong (ignoring character development, so getting much fewer resources; using untrained units against the enemy's general-led upgraded armies, and, consequently, getting obliterated) and complained that the game was unfair and bad... Thank you for properly explaining how this game works! A tip about leader development: getting one skill high is very valuable, but I also like to get all stats to 2, as many events require it. And in that case, you can get a good outcome instead of choosing from 2 bad ones.
Well you got me to pick up the dlc I hadn't got yet. And I'm probably grabbing this wonders dlc for my birthday. Do you have an affiliate link so I can at least send some back?
I've played PC games for 30+ years and can honestly say Old World is one of the best games I've ever played. I don't believe it gets the recognition it deserves.
Among all the "Civ Killers" in the last years Old World is my favourite, i like how they merged civ with ck3. But i had problems with the military part of the game and it was kinda frustrating in the late to mid game
great game and video. I would love to watch some videos that had a lot of strategic depth in explaining the decisions to be made, rather than a sort of flow of consciousness. I'm yet to see a good strategy guide for this game. Also, 4K would be greatly appreciated!
I love Old World. It fixes one of my biggest issues with Civ and a lot of other civ styled games; every run is different, even with the same faction. Other games, like Civ 5 and 6 always end up playing the same. Factions end up being the same every time, all that really changes is enemies you face and the land you're on. Old World's borderline Crusader Kings styled events makes every run through feel way more unique. Wish it got more recognition. Most people I've seen talk about just think it's Civ, play it like Civ and get mad that it's not Civ.
Long time civ player and just tried old world recently. Honestly it is so much better than civ in almost every way. I hope civ 7 pulls a lot of the ideas that old world has introduced.
It is so customisable. Personally, I turn off the characters and events, not my thing. Warfare is better than any civ game, you need to attack (like in chess). AI can ambush and then retreat to heal. Roads, resources, district planning, limited orders, border expansion (with the colonies law), all excellent. The map is absolutely superb. I've played many 4x titles, this one is the best ... my current game ... large double desert map, scarce resources, no fog of war, no characters, 3 advanced multi-city AI empires, choose my faction after seeing the start location surrounded by sand ... incredible
Have they addressed the major problems with the events and the whole constant demands from your "allies"? Because when I tried it, it was just non-stop trying to force me into wars stupid early before even had anything developed until it just outright forced me into wars. Not to mention when I played like 99% of the events were all just pick the least bad situation or which absolutely terrible situation you'd prefer to deal with followed almost immediately by another terrible situation caused by the 1st terrible decision you had to make that you had no way to avoid or prevent, followed by another. The game just felt like it's entire purpose was to force you to play how IT wanted you to play instead of how you wanted to play. All of the time dealing with a 5th Enemy (in your so-called "ally") that you couldn't get rid of or fight so they'd stop antagonizing you. Granted, that was quite a while ago that I played it. Was so disgusted with that "Do what we want, not what you want" overall game mechanic that I stopped keeping track of the game development. If those massive problems have been addressed, I will definitely have to give Old World another look.
@@yersiniapestis5237 Back in the early beta it wasn't a matter of skill. The game just flat out forced almost everything down your throat and was literally 90% bad events and choices between horrible options every 5 minutes, even if you were keeping the families and your foreign allies in positive relation values. A lot of the regular civ players/content creators were reporting similar negative experiences. It turned pretty much my entire group of civ friends entirely off the game. I remember Sulla literally just flat out quitting a game right in the middle of it while Soren was there watching his stream, because it was just infuriatingly punishing no matter what he did. I think his comments were something like "I want to enjoy this, but I can't because the game is trying to play me instead of letting me play the game." Again this was probably a year or two ago. The updates and DLC have improved a lot of elements of the game since those original beta days.
@@yersiniapestis5237 If you unironically believe that if someone playing back in the early beta period a year or two ago who had established positive relation values across the board with all families and foreign factions, had been building an appropriate amount of military and economic units, had built up their cities and expanded appropriately, had strong food, civic, orders, training and gold income relative to the game state, had good tech/civic progression relative to the game state, while also maintaining only positive traits on their ruler spouse, advisors/generals, and heirs... and with all of that still continued to receive 90%+ bad events and gets forced into war (with factions they again had maintained positive value relations with throughout the game) is a skill issue... I say to that "0/10, Good day" and tip my hat. I don't participate in continued conversations with obvious trolls.
@@OverworkedITGuy Look, all I can tell you is that objectively, the game is and has always been winnable under the vast majority of possible circumstances.
Funfact. Rhamses was actually redhaired in real life or at least the description of him. To bad the game isnt more historical correct. Ive been looking for historical correct games since civ2. After that civ went downhill fast..
Old World deserves way more visibility in the strategy space. If you’re okay with the more limited scope I think it’s probably the best “traditional” 4x since Civ 5 wrapped up.
Extremely Limited fro my testing
old world represents the bones of what can be the best 4x but its not there yet or maybe never
The limited part is the best part imo, I’ve always hated leaving the classical era in civ and usually play with extended eras and other mods that prolong the game.
like potato said it's way more narrative driven than civilization which makes it more fun although i hate late game cause it gets super laggy
@@justanewskrub Honestly for me, if I'm staying as limited as the time areas, I'd prefer something like an old total war or paradox game, since I like having the real world history in it. For a 4x game (and honestly in general), I really like game progression to lead to drastic changes in gameplay, ie going from small land based armies in classical era civ to including planes, artillery, ships, nukes, etc in later eras, or going from just a few cultural units in AoW4, to powerful spells and mythic units.
Soren Johnson was co-designer of civ 3 and lead on 4. Loved those games, excited to learn more about old world.
the designer of civ5 also made a really cool (on paper) evolution of the civ formula that unfortunately flopped; called "At the Gates".
The tribes are basically a cross between barbarians and city states and is probably the most anthropologically honest representation in any 4x game. Props to the devs for finding a compelling way to respect different cultures
Old World is an underrated gem. The war system and ai is magnificent.
the AI on this game is just brutal it blew my mind they advance so quickly and are super smart
@mad2403 agreed, it seems to understand the rock, paper, scissors element. Most of the games I've played with nothing but military domination in mind and it is very challenging.
Absolutely love Old World! So glad to see you come back to it! Old World and Against The Storm so close to each other is a blessing to us all, awesome games I love seeing you play.
Would love to see more of this on the channel, love the diversity of the choices that the game allows the player to make to impact their empire.
great to see old world on the channel again!
Was asking me self "Where is that damn potatoe?" And bam! Not only he appears, he appears with a Old World video. Perfect ending for the weekend.
Glad to see more Old World. its one of my evergreen games
You sold me on this game with your first series a year or two ago. It's such a phenomenally rich and interesting game.
I always love to see a Potato Old World video, this game is criminally underrated. Always love your enthusiasm for this game. My current favorite 4x.
this is like if civ and crusader kings had a baby and I'm here for it
Love to see you bringing more eyes to Old World. Its so underrated
Really glad to see more Old World content - so fun to play.
Love this game and love seeing it back on the channel! Also, the music for the game is top notch.
Thank you for playing more Old World!
If this turns into a series I’ve got a hot tip for utilizing builder leaders. Their special ability allows you to use multiple builders at once to speed up building infrastructure while only paying the orders cost for one builder. It’s a busted ability that turbo charges your economy. By far the most powerful leader archetype in my opinion.
This looks amazing! Definitely on my games to get list!
I bought this game early access awhile back. I'm glad they are making some quality updates. I can't wait to jump back in when I have some time.
I'm only 8 minutes in but a lot of this is reminding me of age of wonders 4 and that is a good thing. Going to wait for a sale
Same.
I haven't had time to play Old World but I make sure to buy their DLC even if I don't play it just to support such an amazing game.
Game looks really fun ! Thanks for the informative video.
Welp, I bought Old World in early access ages ago and you’ve reinvigorated my interest. I’m going to fire it back up again with the upcoming DLC release. Cheers 🥃🥔
I LOVE this game! And I found it thanks to you
Old World is so good, so I'm happy to see more videos!
A beatiful union of empire management and statecraft, with personal growth thrown into the mix.
5 seconds in, smashed that like button. Old World is the GOAT
Yes, I am very much enjoying it too !
Yay Old World! Pray be the Spud
This game is awesome. I had a jealous aunt assassinate my benevolent King and his daughter, leaving the 6 year old granddaughter as queen. The estranged uncle offered to be her king regent in her stead, as right before the previous king had died I had interceded the uncle on his behalf by being so pious. The new king regent tutored and trained the granddaughter in the ways of being a warrior, and she grew into a hero of the nation who took back the throne after finishing her training, threw the assassins in prison, and proceeded to dominate a military campaign against the invading hordes, overseeing the defeat of some 100+ units and leveling into an absolute force as a general on the battlefield, staying in power all the way to a victory.
What a fascinating game. I would definitely give this a try.
I love the classic pink block of The Yazilikaya.
Thank you for reminding me of the existence of this game re installing it. Glad to hear its gotten not one but two dlc sense I last checked on it.
thanks, I just got the game and I've been feeling overwhelmed
This is by far my favorite 4x game.
love old world
praise the pink cube!
i hope they never change it
Old World is great! 😁
I am thinking about buying this game. Hope your videos can help me decide.
FYI - Meroe has three syllables: Mer-o-e.
Omg this is an amazing game why have I not heard of it
So good to see you promoting this gem! Most of the people I saw trying it played it completely wrong (ignoring character development, so getting much fewer resources; using untrained units against the enemy's general-led upgraded armies, and, consequently, getting obliterated) and complained that the game was unfair and bad... Thank you for properly explaining how this game works!
A tip about leader development: getting one skill high is very valuable, but I also like to get all stats to 2, as many events require it. And in that case, you can get a good outcome instead of choosing from 2 bad ones.
When you harvest, even something that looks insignificant, many beneficial events could be triggered.
The leader and event system remind me of Crusader Kings. It's sort of a CK & Civ lovechild.
Potato out here trying to convince me to buy ANOTHER 4x game. Great video as always
Well you got me to pick up the dlc I hadn't got yet. And I'm probably grabbing this wonders dlc for my birthday. Do you have an affiliate link so I can at least send some back?
keep playing more Old World, please!
i think it is time to install the game again😊
Amanitore is looking so pretty in this picture, looking like Brazilian singer Iza!
This game looks like a mix of Crusader Kings 3 and Civ 6, haha. It looks good, very in depth! Cheers, Potato!
I love this game so much.
This game feels like the perfect marriage of Civ and Crusader Kings
yup it has the bones of civilization and the role play and narrative of crusader kings and it's just beautiful
This game looks really good. Currently a bit burnt out on Civ, this will slot in well. Yakzilla.
This game is excellent! Soren Johnson is a master 4x game designer and this game really shows it!
love me some PotatoMcOldworld
I've played PC games for 30+ years and can honestly say Old World is one of the best games I've ever played. I don't believe it gets the recognition it deserves.
Hi mate, do you still hold this opinion?
Been watching some of your Millenia content recently and I'm wondering how you feel it stacks up to this and vice versa.
Amanirenas might be the greatest name I've ever heard
2:05 About leader choice - Potato: I like that she's a builder.
Me: Potato likes builders? I am shocked, absolutely shocked.
Only reason I subbed was because of your opening... HEEEEY SPUDDIES!!!!!
Narrative heavy 4x game? Yes please! Can you move through the ages like in Civ, or not so much?
Among all the "Civ Killers" in the last years Old World is my favourite, i like how they merged civ with ck3. But i had problems with the military part of the game and it was kinda frustrating in the late to mid game
MOOORE, DO A FULL CAMPAIGN
Old World is great. Needs more visibility.
This game seems like a mix of Crusader Kings and Civ. Interesting!
My first thoughts of this game is that it feels like Civ and Crusader Kings had a baby.
"it will be on sale" he says, 4 days after the steam winter sale ended
The mechanics seem really neat but MAN am I having to squint to make out what's going on on the tiles
Old World is so beautiful… like your mom :v I was half expecting a title like that after all the other Civ6 ones
great game and video. I would love to watch some videos that had a lot of strategic depth in explaining the decisions to be made, rather than a sort of flow of consciousness. I'm yet to see a good strategy guide for this game. Also, 4K would be greatly appreciated!
Love me some Old World, every time I start thinking how to improve Civ I end up with something very similar to this game
I love Old World. It fixes one of my biggest issues with Civ and a lot of other civ styled games; every run is different, even with the same faction. Other games, like Civ 5 and 6 always end up playing the same. Factions end up being the same every time, all that really changes is enemies you face and the land you're on. Old World's borderline Crusader Kings styled events makes every run through feel way more unique. Wish it got more recognition. Most people I've seen talk about just think it's Civ, play it like Civ and get mad that it's not Civ.
More Old World content please
Long time civ player and just tried old world recently. Honestly it is so much better than civ in almost every way. I hope civ 7 pulls a lot of the ideas that old world has introduced.
Hope you get Yogs to play Old World again.
Nice Game!
Hmmm… looks like a good game.
Undo Button is great, does make the transition to multiplayer where it doesnt exist ROUGH
didn't realise everything was browner 2000 years ago
This game is so cool. I always got bored of civ when you got into the more advanced eras.
Frantically scrubbing through the first 20 seconds to see the details of the new leaders as he’s clicking past them
Series please
It is so customisable. Personally, I turn off the characters and events, not my thing. Warfare is better than any civ game, you need to attack (like in chess). AI can ambush and then retreat to heal. Roads, resources, district planning, limited orders, border expansion (with the colonies law), all excellent. The map is absolutely superb. I've played many 4x titles, this one is the best ... my current game ... large double desert map, scarce resources, no fog of war, no characters, 3 advanced multi-city AI empires, choose my faction after seeing the start location surrounded by sand ... incredible
Hi yes please more
😎
Great undo mechanics
Amazing 4X game, love it.
My wife thinks I watch you on 2x speed that’s how fast you talk sometimes 😂
Have they addressed the major problems with the events and the whole constant demands from your "allies"? Because when I tried it, it was just non-stop trying to force me into wars stupid early before even had anything developed until it just outright forced me into wars. Not to mention when I played like 99% of the events were all just pick the least bad situation or which absolutely terrible situation you'd prefer to deal with followed almost immediately by another terrible situation caused by the 1st terrible decision you had to make that you had no way to avoid or prevent, followed by another.
The game just felt like it's entire purpose was to force you to play how IT wanted you to play instead of how you wanted to play. All of the time dealing with a 5th Enemy (in your so-called "ally") that you couldn't get rid of or fight so they'd stop antagonizing you. Granted, that was quite a while ago that I played it. Was so disgusted with that "Do what we want, not what you want" overall game mechanic that I stopped keeping track of the game development.
If those massive problems have been addressed, I will definitely have to give Old World another look.
No offense, but that is a list of skill issues.
@@yersiniapestis5237 Back in the early beta it wasn't a matter of skill. The game just flat out forced almost everything down your throat and was literally 90% bad events and choices between horrible options every 5 minutes, even if you were keeping the families and your foreign allies in positive relation values. A lot of the regular civ players/content creators were reporting similar negative experiences. It turned pretty much my entire group of civ friends entirely off the game. I remember Sulla literally just flat out quitting a game right in the middle of it while Soren was there watching his stream, because it was just infuriatingly punishing no matter what he did. I think his comments were something like "I want to enjoy this, but I can't because the game is trying to play me instead of letting me play the game." Again this was probably a year or two ago. The updates and DLC have improved a lot of elements of the game since those original beta days.
@@yersiniapestis5237 If you unironically believe that if someone playing back in the early beta period a year or two ago who had established positive relation values across the board with all families and foreign factions, had been building an appropriate amount of military and economic units, had built up their cities and expanded appropriately, had strong food, civic, orders, training and gold income relative to the game state, had good tech/civic progression relative to the game state, while also maintaining only positive traits on their ruler spouse, advisors/generals, and heirs... and with all of that still continued to receive 90%+ bad events and gets forced into war (with factions they again had maintained positive value relations with throughout the game) is a skill issue... I say to that "0/10, Good day" and tip my hat. I don't participate in continued conversations with obvious trolls.
@@OverworkedITGuy Look, all I can tell you is that objectively, the game is and has always been winnable under the vast majority of possible circumstances.
@@yersiniapestis5237 Winnable and enjoyable are not the same thing.
Damn it potato. I can’t keep buying games. These are too interesting.
Civ IV was peak Civ.
I liked the part where he explains how money works.
this game is so expensive, I'm gonna have to wait a couple of years.
17:50 Did I hear a rock and stone?
You should replace Civ with Old World. Much deeper and every mechanic is better than Civ.
Old World…Blues?
Funfact. Rhamses was actually redhaired in real life or at least the description of him. To bad the game isnt more historical correct. Ive been looking for historical correct games since civ2. After that civ went downhill fast..
citation needed
27:30 struggling with Turkish aren't we lol
Old World is so good but there's almost no space online for any 4x that isn't Civ which is a shame.
They turned Spore civ stage into a real game :skull_emoji:
(Joking, obviously.)