Can I stop this HISTORICAL DISASTER?
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- Today, we look at changing history. More specifically, playing in another start date in EU4 - no EU4 mods this time. EU4 Sweden at this point is called the Swedish Empire, and historically, they lost the Great Northern War that saw Russia proclaimed as an Empire. I'm going to see if I can change this outcome, and conquer the Baltic for the Swedes!
Can I stop this HISTORICAL DISASTER?
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:21 - Setting up
03:05 - Northern war
08:37 - Peacing out
09:30 - Fixing the country and chill
12:26 - Partitioning Poland
13:26 - Danish war
15:10 - Downtime
15:56 - Littlethuania
16:40 - Downtime, fixing economy, assessing the map
17:59 - Prussia wars the HRE
18:46 - The Dacke war
19:26 - Russia war 2
22:22 - Little Russia
23:05 - #Ignore1444
25:23 - Laith's TED Talk
26:57 - War with Prussia (and the world)
33:17 - Wrapping up and outro - Hry
I think it's hilarious that laith says He'll blitz for Moscow, and says "That's what you should've done" and that's exactly what the Swedes tried to do irl.
Europeans in the 1700s: "we should conquer Moscow."
Europeans in the 1800s: "we should conquer Moscow."
Europeans in the 1900s: "we should conquer Moscow."
Europeans in the 2000s: "we should conquer Moscow."
Well, Sweden had already done it once in 1610, so why not do it again?
@@bigtim3060 That was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Swedes actually supported the Russians
Was about to comment that, lol
@@jevinliu4658 Shhyyy, dont ruin our Berlin & Moscow achivement
For another alternative start date challenge, try to survive the Qing conquest as Ming, anytime after 1645. 11/11/1651 is probably a good challenge. And the ultimate challenge: start as Ming in 1662 (Taiwan OPM) and reconquer China.
Reconquering the mainland as Taiwan is somewhat of a political statement lmao
@@elgenerico6263 and a very based one
I support 1662
@@yousifosama4414 no bc taiwan is a cuck of usa. Commie china in the opposition to the usa
ive seen this one before
The "Ted Talk" he did actually does drill down into something important to political/historical scholarship and that's how determinism can cloud people's ability to pull important data out of an event because they just write off all alternatives as impossible.
What do you mean by determinism can cloud peoples ability?
@@TheAxeaman "It happened this way therefore it could have only happened this way and looking at other factors has no point" is a common pitfall for people in research. It discourages interrogating the data more thoroughly or applying lessons learned or modern resources creatively.
A real world example were the many failures of militaries in the World Wars. Focusing too much on tactics over logistics, focusing too much on static warfare, etc. because that's what mattered in the last war, so it'll always matter in the same way.
@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva thank you for the write up, that was kind. Could you learn how to unlearn that behavior?
@@TheAxeaman The long and short of it is just to be open-minded and not presumptive when looking at data. Don't assume every war ever lost could have only gone one way or else you may miss some good insight the losing side had. Modern combined arms warfare looks a lot more like German Blitzkrieg than Franco-British Sitzkrieg, despite who ultimately won the war.
@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva Not only that, people forget that they can change the conditions of said wars by tweaking the decisions of said rulers and party policies and more niche parts of history coming to administration. You can easily twist the conditions in a realistic way from a hundred years before to justify the other side winning, and the best alternative histories often take into account of these niche things.
Definitely would watch a "Try to survive the Partition of the Commonwealth" video
zlewik has done it in the most difficult start date
Karl/Charles XII of Sweden is their version of Richard the Lionheart. they spent very little time in the nation they were king of, they were great military generals and they were absolute insane men with death wishes.
The main difference was that Richard cared very little for England whilst Charles Wanted to ensure it’s safety from any and all foreign threats.
i know there has been a year but i know a quote that fits perfeclty ''All those whose names are written on history books are a little crazy'' -my history professor
In Sweden, we call the period from the end of the 30 years war to the end of the Great Northern War "stormakstiden" (great power era), we see our defeat in this war as the end of us being a great power
Y’all made most of Northern Europe bow at one point. Most definitely the premier power of Europe for those 30 years, mad respect to Sweden
@@siamigo286 an important power there but spain france and england were still leagues ahead
@@GRANFRA99 England actually wasn't leagues ahead, but I would say the Ottomans, France and Spain were ahead, Sweden just didn't have the population and manpower to stand up to those 3.
@@GRANFRA99 how was england ahead at this point???
@@JohnDoe-nf6yk richer, more population, more everything honestly. Give you a hint, go to Sweden, outside of Stockholm there is really nothing, no noticeable city, no monuments, nothing.
“What if we blitz into Moscow”
Yeah that went well last time
It actually did in 1610.
3:35 the actual strategy of the Swedish king, didn't go very well for him.
It did, it only failed when they had several redoubdts and 3 times more troops then us, and we only lose because our cavalry couldnt reform in time
@@sandels5805 så då gick det ju inte bra 🤦♂️
@@sandels5805 But- but they lost anyway didn't they? So it didn't go well at the end. It's like saying "Germany only lost because of logistics, they could've won WW2 if they had infinite fuel, steel and manpower" lmao
@Gabriel Dos Santos YEAH? Duh even Luxembourg could win WW2 single-handedly if they had infinite manpower, equipment etc. an INFINITE amount of anything could win somebody a war
Now just wait before you go “wHaT aBoUt TaCoS LoL”
Yes with an infinite amount you drown you neighbors in them.
@@gabrieldossantos1116 well, infinite fuel, steel and manpower are all Impossible factors, but what Sandels probably wanted to say is that the factors which in the end determined the northern war where so amazingly small to such a degree where one outcome wouldnt be more suprising than the other
What you think a stackwipe is: A magician making the stack disappear in to his hat.
What stackwipe actually is: Just a slaughter.
Actually not, morale based stack wipes represent the organisation and the morale of the army shattering to such an extent that it disperses into the countryside and is incapable of reforming into an effective fighting force. This is the reason why morale stack wipes give the wiped country back half of the manpower, because they survived but straggled back instead of retreating as an army.
maybe in EU5, they should have two or three very well-crafted start dates instead of one real start date and a myriad of shitty bookmarked dates. like how CK3 has two start dates that are both fun to play.
CK3 867 is pain and suffering if you aren’t a viking
@@space__idklmao Well,life was pain and suffering in 867,so that fits
@@space__idklmao i love 867
Definetly 1618 should be a date in that case. The Thirty years war war one of the most important events in the timeline, there'd be still half the game to play and we already have started reformation. They'd just have to improve 30yw and I'd play that as much as 1444
The issue with EU4s start dates is the amount of dev team time would have to be spent fixing them for every patch.
I think one of the problems these "let's play that war/disaster" videos is that they only focus on a single event and then the video ends. What I enjoyed about this one is that Laith played longer than just the nordic war. So, keep it up!
I’m mad I didn’t get my movie review… instead I got a Ted Talk. I NEED MY MOVIE REVIEW LAITH!
I always loved the other start dates until they stopped maintaining them
If you truly want a hard start then trying to gain independence as quasim in 1600 without using the support independence option is probably the most difficult thing in EU4.
Who? Why?
Yeah, that would be so much fun as a video too... getting independence without using the actual game mechanic for it... Truly riveting...
@@maelos61 No dlc and you can't support independence. This is how you had to do it before that dlc.
“what if we just blitz it to moscow” i see laith also studied at the napoleon military school alongside funny mustache man
And alongside the swedish king he is playing as. As it was his strategy as well, lol.
has a proud swede i can say that i love every video when people save the swedish empire
Yes
Nice video, I actually enjoy alternate starts or modded runs. Also kudos to your editor, the TED part was hilarious. :) Keep up the good work man.
The extended timeline mod has the WW1 startdate option which starts you out in a bad place if you start as Austria or Germany.
You should watch kings and generals The Great Northern War documentary it is very interesting. The goal of the war was mainly to dethrone and replace the king of saxony and the Polish Commonwealth. The other wargoal was to restore lost territory from the Russians who conquered neval.
Sweden did have a colonial empire. We had cities in india, we owned bits of the gold coast. 18:15 and we did have a few places in north america like delawere and a few islands in the caribean
huh, cant quite recall the gold coast one although I know denmark had a lil bit there
@@goranpersson7726 It's switched back and forth between a few country...but the sequence is Swedish-Danish-Dutch-British Gold Coast... Unlike Delaware it's really wasn't much of a settler colony but just a bunch of Forts in the coast
I wouldn't say an empire. The one in India, Porto Novo, got destroyed by the British and French after a month. Guadeloupe was formally still run by the British, and cabo corso we lost to Denmark after some years. And the one in Carribbean, Saint Barthelemy was french before and after we had it. We tried, we really did hahah.
i remember learning about swedish new world colonies in middle school lol, unlike other colonizers the swedes had a friendly policy with the american indians too bad they lost the colony to the dutch
poland as well
This is a good video concept, the later start dates in EU4 are criminally underexplored
"Why don't we just blitz into Moscow?" Bruh he organically came up with the strat Sweden did IRL
Try beating the Napoleonic coalitions next
21:20 Ming got swept over by the Manchu for similar reasons. Something to do with the silver entering Ming ports via Canton causing so much inflation that once the silver currency travelled north it was already inflated too much to be useful.
Probably got a detail or two wrong there though.
Damn the editor has sas today.
Tip: when giving provinces to a subject you don't have to search the list, you can just click on the map.
I could totally listen to Laith just talking about media and history more. Loved the vid btw as always and I think saving Poland from partition would be fun to watch.
3:57 he did try that, he lost
Despite losing, sweden did amazing job in northen war and Carl was like irl god of war
You're editor is on some next level stuff here. Absolutely amazing! And absolutely amazing handling of this Swedish war!
part of byzantiums decline was largely due to the fact that they had like no money after justinian, more of a slow decline looking at the military, and not the only factor, but lack of money definitely worsened byzantium and the conflicts they felt the need to engage in
Just a suggestion, perhaps Laith's facecam can be rotated and shifted to the bottom left corner? With it's current position, it blocks the war icon so you can't really tell if he's winning a war or not, and by how much.
He needs to be able to type /add_warscore without suspicion
I like how the Dacke War event said "lose 3 stability" at the end of the text but it didn't actually take away any stability
While it wasnt exactly late game one of the most fun campaigns I've done is to start in the 1600s as England and try to get Cromwell's England. You never see anyone talk about it because I guess people often avoid the disaster
I'd love to see you save the Netherlands from the 'rampjaar', or disaster year in English
Can we have a late game start as the 13 colony’s vs Britain
I absolutely love this editor making fun of laith, its hilarious.
6:57 well no one wanted it and you needed somewhere to store the pickled herring
Very nice run maboi Leith ! #ignore1444 indeed ! Survivin through desasters is fun to do!
25:23 - 26:54 So true. We can win, tie or lose
Loving the editors work ;)
The whole time this video was playing Sabaton was playing in my head.
Give to the editor a raise!
The dacke war was that when Sweden broke free from the kalmar union one area of Sweden wanted to be a own nation. There was a war between Sweden and the rebellion that ended with Dacke, the leader of the uprising got his head cut off
That was excellent, you have earned yourself a new subscriber good sir
Love the alternate start date content, personally.
holey crescent mode for HOI4 is about what if Sweden was victorious, I think playing that after this would be so fitting
8:18 they wanted to survive, pretty much... I'm quite certain they were the ones to be attacked for once.
That was a fun video ! I'd love to see you do more along the same theme. Maybe you could face the Seven Years wars as Prussia or the War of the Austrian succession as Austria.
I like how Augustus II "The Strong" generates 0 mil power a month
One tile client state only challenge!
Loool
2 separate forts in one province!!!!
Playing as the Netherlands, defending against Spain sounds really nice! I would definetly watch it!
As you said, Poles are your 5th highest demographic :D
Partition of Poland at the later dates is super painful to survive, would highly recommend it!
20:27 Wonderful idea
You should do more of these
I 100% want him to do a video of him surviving the petition of Poland
I sure loved this id like a few more of theese but witch scenario well i dunno you could win as napoleon or something but that feels somehow easy. Anyhow i hope more of these kinda videos get made
i agree with Laith, think of all the pain we can inflict
surviving the partition of poland would make for a good video, keep it up!
I like the poland idea! The one where you try to survive the partition, but to make it hard you do have to start at war, you can't have preparation time, cuz you're too good otherwise. The comment from John Cao with trying to reconquer China as the Ming OPM in Taiwan from 1662 sounds fun too!
Ah yes. Other start dates.
Perfect for breaking the entire game.
Odd that Sweden would start with mostly cavalry when Cav was the one thing they lacked. They even tried using reindeer for cavalry
Your Ted talk made me wanna sub to you again.
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"They should've rushed Moscow".
Oh the Swedes went further than Moscow...
They got a trip to Moldavia!
The other start dates are often overlooked which is a shame. It's nice to spice things up starting at later bookmarks. I really do hope this trend catches on because as of now Paradox actually resigned from other start dates! CK3 has only TWO start dates compared to like TEN CK2 has. It's really sad because at the end of CK2 development they added another starting date for free and it was one of the best.
Ck2 has the main ones, and then all the day by day ones
Different Start Dates are awesome.
best episode in a long time
I'm a big fan of later start dates, And it is actually not too bad because the Advisor cost and tech cost "Increase over time" only starts when you start, so If you say, start in Asia you can use your brain to rapidly modernise and take over a tonne of Asia with not a lot of problems. It's a lot of fun.
I'd definitely like to see more videos of a similar concept, I think Zlewikk had something similar of saving Historical disasters I think it was called, but later start dates are underappreciated and your play styles are quite different.
If I remember my Swedish history correct Carl XII actually tried marching to Moscow but then winter came and I think you can guess the rest....
We are swedes. We to have extreme winters, especially back in those days. It was the scorched earth tactics of the russians and abandonment of the ukrainians that did us in.
Ngl... sometimes I really like playing on other start dates... there are some really nice events and scenarios out there
I’d like it if you played other start dates. Maybe you can do the crusades in the extended timeline mod.
The reason those invasions worked (Al Qoyunlu or India) worked because: The Aq Qoyunlu was of similar cultural heritage to the Qara Qoyunlu, therefore when they conquered the region the peasantry and nobility, aswell as other group. Weren’t fully opposed to the conquest and allowed it, in many cases actually the classes defected. This is because of cultural similarities as I mentioned but also because the region in question had been trading hands frequently and there wasn’t really a tie between qara rule and the region. As for India, it was a divided region with no clear national unity as every region saw themselves as fairy different. The British succeeded because they exploited the division, the decline of the Mughals/Maratha, and they also had also been established in India for a while. However, the British also had the key advantage of already being a international empire.
As a Swedish person with an interest in history, I like this. Keep up the good work!
I am entirely unsure if this is possible in eu4 but if you could win the Haitian revolution against the French it would be beautiful
Dalaskogen has a province modifier that gives it a native +5 goods produced
You should do eu4 disaster saves
Blitzing to Moscow was Charles the 12ths original plan!
Loved the Ted talk edit
Can't believe I shook this guys hand the other day.
the slow ass ted talk stage fade in LMFA)
incredible video
idk how long I've watched your videos without knowing your name is Laith
That ted talk edit made me laugh hysterically
I kinda want to see you conquer the new world and just see what mess the rest gets up to
The Ted Talk got me thinking that Laith should try to save Assyria from collapse in Imperium Universalis. Would be fun. More importantly it would be extremely painful for maximum viewing pleasure. Saveassyria2022
someone should make a mod that makes the later start dates better, giviing a country realistic buildings and army for that era, perhaps even custom events, current later start dates are undeveloped and not maintained. But if they were improved i would give them a shot.
at the end he said "the prussians have no navy now" they still had bornholm smh
There is an exploit to the dacke war if you hold the event and just stab up it registers the event's requisite for ending as fulfilled it wont spawn the rebels and it will end the event from what I remember. I don't remember if its been fixed though
Hol Up' I've already seen this somewhere. *Looks at Zlewwik's channel*
Survive the Ottoman war as the Mamluks in 1516, just as the Ottomans declare. May be too easy, so form the Caliphate too
I would play the later start dates if they were better structured. Examples include economic shambles (no buildings, no income, etc.), odd sets of ideas, religions are whacked (England is protestant - I know, the system was set up before Anglicanism was introduced into the game), odd army compositions (no cannons and lots of cavalry), and so on.
In short, I never play the late game so here is hoping that when EU5 comes out (and yes, you can curse me but it is inevitable) they have alternate start dates that work and that are updated when new systems, DLCs and updates are introduced.
I want more Laith TED talks
At the end you didn't take Bornholm from Prussia, so they still had a port and a navy
He got a whole scene and a mii audience hahaha
I actually agree with him, I think its why I'm a fan of the great conquerors mechanic in anbenar
Laith made a lot of good points on the TED talk session, reality sometimes dont give a shit about logic considering there's so much strange things that happen throughout history, so who's to say that Sweden wont expand even more if they won The Great Northern War, or what would happen if William the Bastard lost in Hastings, and numerous other major events in history, i think this is the beauty of Paradox's games with how it allows us to create our own story no matter how weird or dumb it is
Loved the Laith ted talk, need more - and to be fair he is right. Like it's alt history, you can either just run with it or you can attempt to justify it, history is full of randomness and nations that defied reason the point of your alt history scenario is to find a way they could have won and stabilised, and they don't even need to last that long in the top scenario to make it interesting.
If Sweden held on after the great northern war and consolidated Scandinavia and managed similar actions as Laith did in the video, Russia would probably just have to go elsewhere for ports for a time and maybe focus more on Southwards expansion into nations that were not modernised like itself and focus firstly on warm water ports, maybe speeding up the decline of the Ottomans and British-Russian great game dynamics, maybe into something of a three-way rivalry of Sweden, the UK and Russia because Russia and Britain want to compete over middle east whilst Sweden and Britain want to compete over Northern European Trade and possibly some colonial ventures too, since continued Swedish strength would probably lead to them getting at least a slightly larger colonial empire.
And 13:38 that's just Dano-Swedish relations in a nutshell
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