What did the Romans think of the Greeks?
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Today, DJ Peach Cobbler delivers on a promise.
He delves into the complex and millennia-spanning relationship between ancient Greece and Rome, from Alexander's conquest to the fall of Constantinople. He covers the Pyrrhic war, Nero, Hadrian, and still fits in innumerable jokes about butt stuff.
Ancient Rome is so cool, and so is Greece. Thanks for watching, and reading! You read this whole description! You didn't have to do that! Comment your favorite emperor, or I will crucify you.
As usual, I do not cite my sources, because I still have a full-time job and I just can't be bothered. However, here are most of the (secondary) sources I used, and which I recommend if you'd like to learn more!
"Greece Against Rome by Philip Matyszak" - Very approachable, although the interplay between the various successor kingdoms were quite complicated and it delves fairly deeply into that. I don't recommend this book unless you're interested in classical antiquity IN GENERAL, and not just Rome. To be clear, you should be.
"The Story of Greece and Rome by Tony Spawforth" - Certainly less approachable, but incredibly well-written. There are two types of non-fiction books on the ancient Mediterranean. Those which talk about pottery shards, and those which don't. Those which do are drier, certainly, but also don't indulge themselves in unreliable secondary sources, instead choosing to focus on that which we can ascertain from archeological evidence. This is the book to read on this subject if you've got patience and a true hunger for knowledge.
"Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire by Simon Baker" - This is a beach read, through-and-through, but that is no insult. It jumps around through the life of the Republic and Empire, and is exceedingly entertaining, albeit sorta pulpy. If you just wanna have a good time and get a broad overview of Rome, this is the one. Can't recommend it enough.
Thanks for watching.
Rome invicta,
DJ Peach Cobbler
As usual, I do not cite my sources, because I still have a full-time job and I just can't be bothered. However, here are most of the (secondary) sources I used, and which I recommend if you'd like to learn more!
"Greece Against Rome by Philip Matyszak" - Very approachable, although the interplay between the various successor kingdoms was quite complicated and it delves fairly deeply into that. I don't recommend this book unless you're interested in classical antiquity IN GENERAL, and not just Rome. To be clear, you should be.
"The Story of Greece and Rome by Tony Spawforth" - Certainly less approachable, but incredibly well-written. There are two types of non-fiction books on the ancient Mediterranean. Those which talk about pottery shards, and those which don't. Those which do are drier, certainly, but also don't indulge themselves in unreliable primary sources, instead choosing to focus on that which we can ascertain from archeological evidence. This is the book to read on this subject if you've got patience and a true hunger for knowledge.
"Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire by Simon Baker" - This is a beach read, through-and-through, but that is no insult. It jumps around through the life of the Republic and Empire, and is exceedingly entertaining, albeit sorta pulpy. If you just wanna have a good time and get a broad overview of Rome, this is the one. Can't recommend it enough.
Thanks for watching.
Rome invicta,
DJ Peach Cobbler
I LOVE YOU DJ PEACH COBBLER (no homo tho)
I ALSO LOVE YOU DJ PEACH COBBLER (i am living in your walls)
What’s the third part gonna be about you hellish entity?
Where can I get that merch you're wearing???
23:40 this explains a lot
I've always heard that saying fiddle while Roma burns and I would wonder why he wouldn't do something
Your whole video up until that point explained it well for me
Thank you
26:10 more knowledge
Greeks: You're too late, Roman. I've already sculpted YOU as the Soyjak and ME as the Chad
Yeah… but did you write your name on it?…
FOR NOW I HAVE INSCRIBED THE CHAD SCULPTURE AS “ROMAN” AND THE VIRGIN SCULPTURE AS “GREEK. YOU HAVE ULTIMATELY PLAYED YOURSELF!
🤌🤌🤌
Justinian: but your the one calling yourself ROMAN HELENIE! RAAAAAAGH!!! **greek fire noises**
@@Ballin4Vengeance "Ah, but you see, Roman, I've already written a trilogy of tragic plays to lionize my fall and taint your victory forever."
@@wargriffin5 "but you Greek tragedy is nothing but a series of people doing nothing but giving speeches which people will fall asleep before the 2nd act. Checkmate."
"The Romans were Greek and the Greeks were not only Roman, they were also the last Romans".
This fucking quote will keep me up all night from overthinking. Amazing video man
Antony went so close to becoming a Hellenistic king alongside his Cleopatra. The struggle between Augustus and Antony was the struggle between the traditional Romans and the Philelenes. Although Cleopatra, the last ancient Greek ruler, died, she avenged Augustus from the grave. I like to imagine that many would feel her spirit haunting Hagia Sophia during the last liturgy. Because Eastern Rome was ultimately a Hellenistic state from head to toe. No different in character than the state of Seleucus or Ptolemy.
@@Sp-zj5hw
In many ways, the Byzantine Empire was the last successor kingdom of Alexander’s empires, having its DNA rewritten to accommodate it.
Romans weren't greeks and greeks were only greeks so this quote in nonsense
@@Suuf_ The Romans were not philo-Hellenic. They were of Latin culture, something else. The Greek culture influenced the Roman one, as it also influenced other cultures of other peoples and it too was influenced by other cultures, for example the Egyptian or Phoenician one. The Romans acquired Greek knowledge and made it their own, but Romans and Greeks were different peoples, and the Greeks acquired Roman citizenship, like all peoples subject to the Roman Empire, only in 212 AD, so no privileges. First they were conquered with weapons, like all the other peoples invaded by the Romans. During the sieges many Greeks were enslaved and their cities destroyed. Not really two friendly peoples.
@@ITALICVS I agree.
"Leave me to my circles, Roman" is such a raw-ass line I'm astonished I hadn't heard before watching this
Archimedes was a raw ass dude
Can you believe that mathematicians actually worship this greekoid?
-Dovahatty
It’s not a line you mook
And then, the roman soldier killed him. Then his roman commander killed this soldier, for having killed Archimedes.
He said "don´t bother my circles", didn´t even mean the circles on the floor, but the thought-trains in his brain, in greek it´s "circles".
@@klausbrinck2137 Even better. He basically said "Fuck off, I'm thinking."
"Leave me to my circles, Roman." gotta be some of the hardest last words of all time.
And it's not even that well translated. "Μη μου τους κύκλους τάραττε" can Also been interpreted as "don't bother my cycles" or "leave my cycles unharmed". The reason it's translated like that, is because the word cycle was also used to mean a train of thought, a theory. So he is referring to the physical cyrcles he has drawn as well as those in his head. So you can replace it as "leave me to my thoughts, Roman". Yep, this dude made puns as he was about to die, supposedly
It was meant to sound gay.
Hannibal and Scipio Africanus would like a word.
Respectively:
“Let us now relieve the fears of the Romans, by the death of a feeble old man.”
And
“Ungrateful fatherland, you won’t even have my bones.”
Hey Lois, do you remember that time we stole our culture from the Greeks?
This is worse than that time Hannibal invaded!
Oh man! This is worse than the time I couldn’t pay the Pretorian guards!
Pepperidge Farm remembers
And you remember when the greeks called themselves romans for one thousands and a half years?
@@esti-od1mz and you remember when we got beaten up by some greeks during ww2?
D.J. "Peach" Cobbler was a brilliant storyteller, historian, entertainer and editor who once feigned irony and shitposting because of his insecurity in his own talents. It is only after he dropped his mental barriers and imaginary things like a "full time job" in late 2023 that he would begin to conquer CZcams and then the world. It is because of this power, however, that his mental state declined into madness, as it had begun doing after he hit 300 subscribers.
Those who create content should take care that in the process, they do not become content themselves.
For as we gaze long into the algorithm, so too does the algorithm gaze back into us.
Also don't forget he was very gay but that time it was okay as well. But he did it a way that we can call it as they did that time "based", based indeed.
@@Leisurelee53 and as the algorithm stares back the limitation of the human brain are reached. It remains one of two options. Su!cide because of the unknowable horrors they have learned or dive into madness to escape it.
praise our lord the Peach
And thus he mirrored the fate of all empires. Those traits allowed him to conquer all, but also sowed the seeds of his own downfall.
Cobbler, during the reign of Nero the term "imperator" was never used as a title. It was "princeps" as styled after Augustus. It wasn't until well into the CE that the "dominus" period started when emperor's started going by more regal titles like dominate or imperator.
You were there?
@@TheTGOAC Yeah I was there too I can back him up
Lmao that's completely wrong, 'imperator' as a title was given already to Julius Ceasar and then it was allowed to be inhereted by his succesors what tf are you talking about just open the wiki page
@@blaabla4448 imperator was a term in the Republic to mean you had imperium (basically a kind of king) and could stand for a triumph.
Yes, Caesar was proclaimed imperator, but not for life that was his position as dictator.
The title of Imperator *DID NOT* fall to Augustus after he assumed Caesar's position. Augustus actually went out of his way to avoid the imperator title as he felt it would give away his ambitions and why he *INSISTED* on bring called Princeps and why Emperor's after him followed that tradition until the dominate era started in the mid to late 200s AD.
My sources are not Wikipedia but S.P.Q.R by Mary Beard.
@@SomethingWittyRWjust to add on to why Augustus didn't use the imperator title, most if not all of his battles were against other romans. So to proclaim oneself imperator and hold a triumph was seen in bad taste.
After Augustus it was usually only given to members of the imperial family because of the clout the title held, since any commander who's legions hailed them imperator was essentially aiming for the "throne"
“to ride a horse, to draw a bow, and to speak the truth.” Herodotus
the Persians used to use hunting as war practice, helped cooperation and made youth to be sharp and on their feet. it created the habit of waking up early, becoming resilient to cold and hot air, get used to walking for long duration and mastering horseback riding and create a brave individual.
"Civilizations are a lot like gay sex, in that of course, while the greeks did not invent those things, they sure as shit perfected them." -DJ Peach Cobbler
Didn't the Greeks have unbelievable corruption and a tendency to commit le genocide
man these women really did conquer a lot of land
Homosexuality was highly looked down upon in Greek society, especially among those in receiving roles. All of them were mocked as women and consider as less of men.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 not true. hellenic views on homosexuality varied greatly, but outright looked down upon with all practicioners being "shamed" as women is beyond ahistorical. it isnt just an oversimplification its an outright exaggeration.
@@ionatanmacbhaididh5736 Plato also is quoted as saying that "homosexual individuals are the most blessed of mortals". it was a lot more complex than just "gay is bad, mkay".
This how it feels like when Kanye finally dropped Donda😭😭👨🏿🍳
Horrible comparison
This is like if he actually dropped Yandhi
I’ve been waiting for this
I was actually listening to the album when I saw this 😂😂
@@philipwarpzer0630 based
As a gamer obsessed with Roman history.. this is like crack to a Hunter. So well put, and so very poignant to remember they were indeed the last Romans.
I was unaware of hunters and the proclivity for crack
@@RodneeGirthshaft mainly one specific guy named hunter
Small fun fact: in Hebrew, the term "mit'yaven" (מִתְיַוֵּן)- a person in the process of converting into Greek culture- is still used as a pejorative to this day.
Maccabees left the chat.
To be fair, historical Hebrews never did like anyone else's culture, despite Greek's clear effect on their philosophy and thought (mysticism, is a great example which shaped their religion as we know it today)
@@barc0deblankblank 'their religion' is also Christianity
@@Hope_Boat Who's religion?
@@barc0deblankblank Jews
The fact Cobbler is able to produce this quality content while having a full-time job is astounding.
Damn, that's commendable
What does he do for a living?
@@jackalope7372 poaches rare and endangered animals
@@jackalope7372 from what i could gather, he just rides around all day in a white van near school zones
@@Totaluser1 Indeed! I steal purebred dogs from my neighbors and sell them on Craigslist!
"bedder of kin" is perhaps the most apt description of any Spanish monarch in that time period
any Monarch*
Isn't limited inbreeding enhance the favorable traits getting passed into descemdants?
@@jamalisujang2712 if you view lockjaw and unusable sperm as favourable traits sure
@@trumpflavourednugget9325 I meant limited, raising different distant families, to build certain favorable traits to avoid inbreeding from family circle facking. Has this been tried?
@@jamalisujang2712 mate clearly that's what your parent-uncles told you so you'd be fine fucking your cousin, but um, no, abso-fucking-lutely not that's fucjing insane and very wrong. I'm glad you asked so we could tell you before it was too late
Funny thing about us Greeks: Today the feelings of culture and belonging are very similar as they were in ancient times. Often if you speak Greek, use our mannerisms, observe our cultural norms and ways of thinking, you're basically one of us. I have a number of relatives of Non-Greek origin who married into my family and basically assimilated. Even though some of them don't look Greek at all, the fact that they act and speak like Greeks means that nobody really thinks of them as foreign.
Man, you are very similar to the people of the Middle East
@@user-cg2tw8pw7j You do realize that the Middle East had changed quite a bit from ancient times, right ? Also, culture and genetics are two different things. Anyways, we have ties with the Balkans and Asia Minor.
We are frew, my friends, and we don't make many children. Thus, we'll become even fewer.
In 2050 it is said we will be only 7,5 millions with average age 65 years
The Turks will probably be 120 millions... And they are our bitter enemies...
There is no future for us
Glad to see the light of insanity nested within your eyes grow increasingly brighter with each passing video Cobbler.
May a future enemy soldier of the climate wars spare you when you dismiss him by saying "leave me to my chalks, yankie".
Same. Unfortunately knowledge hubs tyler seemed to go back on the meds. I'm enjoying these unhinged rants.
He is a true Malkavian
"This bussy got me questioning my loyalty to Rome"- Nero, probably
An understandable action
Shut up
@@concept5631 No
@@White_Breeder yes
Bro I’ve been waiting for what seems like my entire life for another ancient history video from you.
I thought I was alone in this world.
I've watched the first one an uncomfortable amount of times
Your freeform kinda tongue in cheek history videos are some of the best on YT. No one else really compares. When I get tired of reading or watching lectures I always end up rewatching one of these. Thanks Cobbler great stuff
“Stopped Athens and Sparta from slap fighting over who was gayer” can not stop cackling over that line
*THE MOST ANTICIPATED SEQUEL OF ALL TIMES*
glad to have you back cobbler, hope you've been well :*
Hope your doing well yourself.
3 things I want to say about this video:
A: The lack of Sparta in this entire dialogue speaks volumes. By the time of Rome, Sparta was just a bug on the windshield of Rome's war machine conquering Greece. There were a few Romans who admired the Spartans, but the Spartan system was obviously one of failure in the Roman era. Ironically the Spartans too were blunt, straight forward people who prided themselves on power, very much like the earlier Romans. The fact that it is Athena on Trajan's armor above the she wolf, and not any other Greek symbol, speaks to Athen's specific cultural dominance.
2: The lack of Christianity in this video is in my opinion a bit of a fault. Christianity to me is the puzzle piece that links all of this lack together. Lets circle back to Alexander's invasion of the Persians, which unified Greek and Persian culture. Persians were Zoroastrians, and the Hellenization of Zoroastrianism created a more philosophical version of Monotheism.
A few centuries later, Christianity arose as a very specifically anti-Roman religion, not anti-Greek, no the finger was pointed squarely at Rome's bluntness and empire. And how did Jesus die according to the tale? He died from a mob rule jury decision from the Romans, a death very much like that of Socrates. Jesus died a Philosopher's death. Christianity then spread like wildfire to the Greek parts of the Empire, the Romans, being Greek weebs, formed secret underground Societies of Christians and eventually took over Roman itself. When Rome became Christian, Roman culture had been completely supplanted by that of the Greeks, and that new culture would survive another millenium.
Γ: The Japanese comparison is interesting, it doesn't completely fit, but, we do have a situation where an Empire (America / Rome) invades another older civilization (Japan / Greece). In the proceeding generations the new empire admired the culture of the conquered and adopts it, as the Japanese seem to do capitalism better than Americans.
HAHAHHAHAHA yukuza
A part of a perfectly balanced democratic system.
nice bullet points my man
offfffffffffffffffff very limited historical view
Christianity contributed to the fall of Rome. It completely tore it apart and led the fall of the Byzantine empire aswell as the orginal Roman empire.
Also, according to the tale, no, the romans didn't actually want to kill Jesus. The pharisees did. The story actually goes that Jesus whipped and flipped a table at the pharisees for trying to sell religious supplied and make a quick buck off judiesm while running the temples, the pharisees had a lot or power, they ran most of the churches back then, and after Jesus pissed them off, they complained and bribed pontius pilate. Who didn't care about jesus either, infact this is supported by pontius himself in his own writings, we have historical documents written and signed by him to augustus that prove this. He also admits regretting that he listened to the pharisees and took their request to crucify him. This is also supported by the Bible itself. In the gospel of mark. The Roman government didn't actually want him dead. It was the religous powers that wanted him dead. Not the secular ones.
10:41 I love this map, is so weird and nothing is really right but it makes perfect sense for the day.
“The secret to happiness is to stop reading every book on Rome about 3/4 of the way through.”
Never have I heard something so true.
But Caesar is about to come back to Rome
It’s also true when watching the wolf of wall street
Man I cannot wait to finish the fall of rome by Gibson
Time to turn off the video after he said that
For the love of god avoid playing total war Attila
There's some many little moments in these 2 parts that make me really appreciate the work you do Cobby. Pyrrhus calling the Romans barbarians and the Cohen piano in the back coming to a crescendo that made me think the Legend of Zelda would start playing afterwards are some to name a few. The skits and pop culture inserts are top notch
I love Roman history because Rome is so ridiculously consistent with the trajectory of the United States. It makes me really want to learn more and more about it.
Love your presentation style for genuinely teaching us something in the "gamer" tongue.
Easily the best history teacher/game reviewer on the platform
/ political commentator / fed hater
Tangential, but we actually have documentation on what the Aztec (or more specifically, the Mexica of Tenochtitlan) thought of other Mesoamerican civilizations and fellow Nahua ethnic subgroups. The Florentine Codex is a 12 (13 with index) volume series of documents totaling thousands of pages which give insight on Mexica religion, history, social customs, hierarchies, ethics, occupations and industries, moral adages, and tons more. And at the end of volume 10, which is all about social classes, occupations, there's a whole chapter about Mexica sterotypes of other people. I'll give somewhat of a brief overview on each civilization and culture and what the Mexica thought of them below,:
- Chichimeca: Chichimeca is actually a broader label to describe mostly nomadic or nomadic tribes in Northern Mexico, as opposed to the urban civilizations in Mesoamerica (Central Mexico, the Gulf Coast, Oaxaca, West Mexico, Chiapas, and the Yucatan Peninsula), though the Mexica and other Nahua groups the "Aztec" label applies to (some use it to specifically mean the Mexica) were actually Chichimecs themselves who had migirated into Central Mexico and adopted local civilization. The Chichimeca were both viewed as primitive and savage, but also hardy, headstrong, skilled bowmen (the bow was associated with the Chichimeca, as opposed to the civilized toltecs with the Atlatl) and warriors, and there being a monk-like respectability in their simple lifestyle. Basically, the Mexica and other urbanized Nahuas saw them/their earlier roots as "noble savages".
- Toltecs: As with the Chichimeca section, this is more a telling of histories/legends then ethnic sterotypes. The Toltecs were a maybe-real-but-heavily-mythologized, or entirely mythical civilization in Central Mexico that existed in the centuries preceding the Nahua migirations into the area, where the Toltec were seen as this utopian Nahua society that gave rise to the arts, sciences, high culture, laws, and so on. (In reality If the Toltec existed at all theywere probably a medium sized kingdom among many, probably weren't Nahuan, and those things/civilization in Central Mexico goes back much, much earlier); with them invariably in all accounts declining or collapsing (sometimes cyclically) due to moral degeneration and temptation. There is a looooooot more that can be said about Aztec legends of the Toltec and how it played into their ethnic and dentity and was used to legitimize their political power, but that's it's own giant topic.
- Otomi: This was an existing civilization in Central Mexico and in NorthWestern Mesoamerica. Sadly, there's not a ton of archeological documentation or their sites of colional period source son their Prehispanic culture, but many Otomi towns and cities got displaced during the Nahua migirations, and there was one major Otomi kingdom, Meztitlan, that escaped Aztec conquests. In the Florentine, the Otomi are described as "civilized", because they "wore cloaks, sandals, and breethcloths" (of course, because so did the Mexica/nahuas) and had nobles, priests, kings,, and that the sandals they wore and the skirts women had were of good quality. It says they "disliked flat roofs" and preferred straw ones; and that they had good maize, and their best foods were fruit tamales, cooked beans, dogs, gophers and deer. In terms of what the Mexica saw as bad, they chastise the Otomi for being greedy (they bought all they longed for...even though it was not really necessary"); for wearing gaudy clothes and feathers and body paint; for being lazy ("although great workers of the land, they did not apply themselves to gaining the necessities of life") being being unskilled and stupid: There's a whole list of jokes the Mexica would make about calling each other Otomis when somebody was unskilled or dumb ("Not only art thou like an Otomi, but thou art a REAL Otomi, a miserable...green head, thick-head, a-big-tuft-of-hair-over-one's head, otomi blockhead"). It also notes that though the Otomi were great wavers, their textiles had little value as they preferred Maguey fiber rather then cotton.
- Matlatzinca: A civilization in Central Mexico, located around the Toluca valley. Says their name comes from the way they husked maize, by beating it inside nets (Net = matla(tl) in Nahuatl), and that they also one of their sacrifice methods was to crush somebody inside a net (The text goes on to describe the origin of a few other names for the civilization, like the Quaquata and Toloque). They say they were good with using slings in battle and for hunting, and due to their homelands being cold, they were a rugged and hardy people skilled at manual labor, and apparently had a reputation for being "presumptious and disrespectful", with one of their alternate names being used as an insult for that, but on the flip side they made great pulque(? it says "maguey wine", which I assume means pulque) called Quatealtl that was the REAL shit that instantly made people drunk. The text goes on to call them uncultured for wearing maguey clothes and not speaking Nahuatl, though some did, and pronounced "r" weirdly, and that their lands lacked chillis and salt, and that their main dishes were tamales, beans, atole, and popcorn. Apparently the fact that they bathed early in the morning was also seen as a positive moral virtue.
- Totonac and Huastec: These were civilizations along the gulf coast in what's now Veracruz, best known because Cempoala, the capital of one of 3 major Totonac kingdomss, was one of the first cities to give Cortes refuge on his expedition. The Mexica say they have long, columnar faces ans are broad headed, and notes the tropical climate they lived in was good for growing fruit and copal. Like with the Otomi, the Mexica praises the Totonacs for wearing similar clothes to themselves, also mentioning quetzal tassels, fans, and reed-mats (which are a big thing to the Aztec), and that the women had nice shirts and shawls, both embroided and multicolor, wore cloth strips with feathers in the hair, and that they did their hair and fashion well using mirrors. Likewise, that the women were skilled seamstresses and both the men and women were tall, slender, but firm and attractive. It goes onto say they were good singers and dancers, and good cooks with tamales, chillis, and specialty tortillas.Much of this they also apply to the Huastecs, but note that that they liked to collect heads from captive warriors, and disiked how they didn't use breechcloths and filed their teeth down.
- "Olmeca, Uixtoti, and Mixteca": This requires some explanation: "Olmeca" here does not mean the Olmec civilization as we know it, which existed in southern Veracruz and Tabasco thousands of years before the Aztec period, but rather the inhabitants of that area during the Aztec period. The Mixtecs were one of two very major civilizations in Oaxaca, alongside the Zapotec; and honestly I'm not sure what the Uixtoti are. In any case, the Mexica state that their land was a place of richness and abundence, with wealth and flowers: Gold, Silver, precious stones, cacao, spices, rubber, troupial, spoonbill, cotinga, and parrot feathers, etc; and their people great artisans, in fact calling them Toltec descendants.
- Purepecha: In the text, called the Michoaque. The Purepecha (also known as Tarascans) actually had the third largest empire in the Americas after the Inca and Aztec empires and repeatedly crushed attempted Aztec invasions. Here the Purepecha are noted to often shave their heads, and there's an emphasis on how much of their clothing was made with skins and hides rather then textiles, which isn't described negatively, but I'm sure the implication was poor, same with them noting their preference for the bow (again, associated with the Chichimecas, ironically though their use of the bow is often credited to their military success over the Aztec). Like the prior trio, they are described as great craftsmen, with women being skilled weavers and seamstresses, and talks about how they would cook in giant feasts what they'd eat across multiple days. But then there's a scathing series of insults about how the men didn't wear breechcloths and how their piercings were too big, and how the women didn't wear blouses but only skirts, so both the men and women had their naughty bits out; and that they were poor cooks.
- Other Nahuas: Sadly, this is very light, and basically is just the Meixca saying "they're like us but they don't speak Nahuatl quite as elegantly as we do". However, it's widely disscussed in other sources and modern academia that the Acolhua subgroup, which had many cities on the eastern side of the Valley of Mexico, the political core of the Aztec Empire (most notably Texcoco, the second most powerful Aztec city after Tenochtitlan) were seen as more intellectual and closer to alleged Toltec heritage compared to the Mexica, who were seen as fierce warriors closer to the Chichimeca roots; in a sort of Athens vs Sparta way. However, this is at least partially the result of accounts by Acolhua authors in the 16th and 17th centuries trying to make themselves look better. (and inded the Mexica leveraged both their chichimeca and claimed Toltec heritage to present a dual warrior-intellectual image)
I skipped over some cultures that aren't talked about as much, and tried to focus on the information that was more the Mexica views of their cultural idiosyncrasies rather then just the descriptive info they give about their practices. I also think it's worth noting that it's probably not an accident so much of these descriptions are focused on the goods each culture had, since the Aztec Empire's goal in expansionism was to extract resources from tributary and vassal states, and that the Mexica women sort of dressed conservatively and were sort of prudes, hence so many other groups being described as scandalous or garish.
Oh also, while we don't have information about what the Aztecs thought about the Teotihuacanos, we DO know they had a lot of thoughts about Teotihuacan: Teotihuacan was a huge metropolis (100,000+ denizens, a massive planned urban grid covering nearly 2 dozen square kilometers, etc) in the Valley of Mexico (which would become the core Aztec area/Mexico City today) 1000 years before the Aztec arrived. The Aztecs worked the site into their creation myths as the site where the gods sacrificed themselves to bring the current age/era of the world into being, adopted some of it's urban design, architectural, and artistic motifs (Tenochtitlan was done in a sort of "Teotihuacan revival style") and the Aztecs also re-furnished some of the city's shrines and structures, and did excavations there, bringing ceremonial goods back to other cities. There's even 1 example of a Teotihuacano mask which was excavated, brought back to Tenochtitlan where it was inlaid with new Obsidian and shell eyes; and then somehow in the next century made it's way back to Europe and into the possession of the Medici family in Italy , where they drilled holes into it and did other modifications so it could be mounted onto walls.
It should also be noted here that many of these groups still have communities today that have ethnic desecent from, speak thhe languages languages, retain cultural practices from these cultures: There are very much still Otomi, Purepecha, Zapotec, Mixtec, etc people around today, and it should go without saying that the Mexica sterotypes are just that.
I (as I'm sure you could imagine) find ancient stereotypes to be fascinating. Maybe it all stems from my fascination with propaganda? You often notice with the ancient Romans that their stereotypes served a political/cultural purpose.
Thanks for sharing this, I have no understanding of the mesoamerican civilizations pre-contact, and it's interesting to look at how they perceived their neighbors. It's a region/period which I should definitely know more about, and may delve into after completing this series
MajoraZ with his excellent commentary as usual. Your work is great man
Thank you for this knowledge bomb
Love this comment cause I can just scroll to my people (zapotec) like it's some horoscope and find out what they said lmao.
32:29 Why everyone is saying that Alexander wasn’t greek? The Macedonians were Doric greek, the same tribe as the ancient Spartans, dude was from the Argiad dynasty, his mother was Greek as well, his name was greek, his religion was greek, his language was greek he participated on the Olympic Games something that was only allowed for the Greeks and a great grandfather of his warned the rest of the Greeks for the Persian invasion. Sure the rest of the greek city states frowned upon the Macedonians because they were a kingdom and not an oligarchy or a democracy but that doesn’t make them less greek.
We also need the story of the serenissima republic of Venice, I never understood how they were so damn stable, happy and lasted for like 800 years
By having a constant slap fight with Genoa, Dragging the entirely of Europe in Chaos, Fucking over the Byzantines and the HRE in every given Opportunity and Inviting France into Italy everytime they get a papercut.
While I have definitely been enjoying “news-shitposting Cobbler” it’s great to see “history-shitposting Cobbler” make a return
I’ve unironicaly been waiting for this
Ok the history videos don’t get as many views but their still my favorite. Glad you decided to keep going with them
What a beautiful telling of Greek and Roman history. You make my favorite videos on this platform. I can’t wait for whatever you make next :)
bro I was so enthralled with your storytelling I had to go back a few times in the video just to be sure I am getting the picture because man it is vivid
The five great emperors were all giga brained and ultimately sought to leave the empire stronger than when they left it. It's a shame that the reign of Marcus Aurelius saw the empire ravaged so thoroughly by Smallpox because I think each of the Emperors made the empire more stable, more legalistic, and more resistant to power struggles and civil war, a trend that was reversed wholesale by the smallpox plague that happened.
> Made the empire more stable
>Got wrecked by smallpox.
Rome was a degenerate empire and the worst emperors did a service by quickening its destruction
5 good emperors were outdone by 1 really bad emperor.
supreme power is fickle, and as a result untrustworthy. even a 100 good emperors could be outdone by a single bad one. even 1 bad out of 5 good is a miracle.
@@TheUnoriginalDrCorgi it’s always that virus diseases that ruins everything. Always causing the collapse of civilization and a population replacement
Hey, nice profile picture man.
I can't put my finger on it. But I think part of what i really enjoy about your work, peach, is the layer of sadness underneath all that gallows humor and self aware commentary.
We are fascinated with the Roman culture because we both feel like it's inheritors (like the 6th culture to do so) and feel as if we are in a similar state of decline.
And I really do like your reframing of the question: we shouldn't ask so much how Rome fell, but look into Jesus christ almighty how did it last a tenth of the time that it did?
Fantastic work. Look forward to part 3.
The buttsex was good, as soon as Constantine decided buttsex was bad, the end was nigh
@@Dong_Harvey They may take our lives, they may take our freedom, but they will never take our BUSSY!
@@Dong_Harvey truer words have not been spoken. Don’t look in the oil drum
Misery. KARK , OFF! It's not sadness its ironic unironic deep seated melincolic disocintent that we are born in the age of fat people without war because nukes, and there are no gladitorial areans and no mountains to conqure. In conqureing the world, we have conqured our selves in the world.
I'm so happy you made a part 2! The original video was one of my favourites from you!
This channel has quickly become one of my favourite channels on the internet. Huge props.
The Roman poet Horatio, in his "Epistulæ" wrote "Græcia capta ferum victores cepit/et artes intulit agresti Latio"; in english "The conquered Greece conquered the savage conquerors/and brought the arts into the savage Latium". Amazing video, Dr. Cobbler, cheers from Italy
The Greeks conquering Rome culturally is also why the US is able to remain a Nation spanning the length of a continent. By establishing a cultural baseline across a wide area, be it Greek arts and sciences or American liberties and rights, these governments could continue to maintain a massive state for longer than it should theoretically be possible. Whether or not the US shares it fate with last Romans in Constantinople we will simply have to wait and see.
Also through socials medias and companies and IPs, the US exports their culture and rules everywhere in the world
Like most of Europe now follows US footstep in term of how to behave, especillay in the younger generations
Well history does appear to run In cycles. Although that's not really apt I guess. I mean it makes sense to look at past systems and adapt or adopt parts of them to serve your own system.
But you could make the argument that the internal strife that the US has been experiencing the last. What 20 years?
Does draw a pretty strong parallel between the US and the end of the Roman empire.
I mean mounting internal issues within a system of politics that ignores it populas while trying to extract as much wealth as possible from said populas. Was a contributing factor into the fall of Rome.
Liberties and rights? The basis for American culture is commodification and exchange
@@manuxx3543 It pisses me off, its fucking up other countries culture, why does nobody complain about this, like this is a way more important version of 'white washing'
@@Palemagpie You're making a good point but making a poor parallel, the lack of a unified culture and people destabilized their society and turned it into a shitshow, moreso than corrupt politicians which had been around since the republic.
This video is incredible. Would love more history content like this.
Thank you Mr cobbler. I adore your rants but remain unsure of showing them to others.
Your history videos are entertaining, and have clearly defined "satire/informative" lines. We appreciate your creativity, Cobbs
I really love how the lore intentionally leaves out bits of information that people need to speculate about.
It really makes it alot more interesting when it isnt all perfectly laid out and is actually intentionally told from the skewed perspective of some unreliable narrators.
Thanks for laying it all out so masterfully. You really do such a good job at bringing this story to life. Its almost as if its a real living and breathing open world.
"It's the Dark Souls of history". 🤣
That was the best dramatization of American imperialism I have ever seen! 😂 You need to turn that into a T-shirt, “My country got bombed by America, and all I got was a McRib.”
Thanks for part 2 the first one was phenomenal!
I appreciate how you tied in the entire discussion about Rome to our society today. I often fear that the parallels that exist between us and Rome are a sign that we’re destined to go down just like the Roman’s did, an empire too big to support itself and it’s people. My hope is that we get to experience a renaissance much like what had happened in Europe
Romans: Yes, the Europeans returned to slavery
Whenever I tell someone to sub to this channel and they ask what's it about, I can never give them a straight answer because even I'm not sure about the genre of cobbler's content
He has told me to tell people that he makes “whatever the fuck I feel like”
Quality educational shitpost
Expertly made unhinged rants.
Dj peach cobbler's videos are like anal orgasms
You can't explain it
You can only experience it yourself
my grandfather told me that one day part 2 might be released it seemed he was right
thanks DJ peach cobbler
Wonderful 2 part series Mr. Cobbler. Thank you. Got paid to listen to it on company time too
Need a Part 3 ASAP! Vids are great man, looking forward to the near east and Africa hopefully!
Releasing content like a machine💪
a quite slow one though
@@YMandarin a clash of clans machine
No way. Is there seriously going to be a part 3???? Excited for everything you do man.
Same
God damn my man, start up a patreon and start doing this stuff full time. Your content is some of the best around and I really want more history, mythology, criptids, and so on.
This serie has been nothing short of godly !
Thanks for the awesome content 🙌
Using the hypothetical Saudi rule next to the American Middle East fuckery is the rhetoric I didn’t expect in this video specifically, but was pleasantly surprised to hear.
Holy shit finally a sequel, his midlife Rome crisis continues
These drawings of the Mediterranean get better and better each rendering. Truly a flawless representation. Almost thought I was actually in Greece for a moment
This did not show up in my feed
but I'm excited for that part 3 already, good job Cobbler
7:25 how DARE you imply that the empire didn’t fall in 1453 when it was conquered by the ottomans! So what that Rome hadn’t been part of the empire for hundreds of years or that all the Latins has long since been killed and replaced by Greeks, or how it had a different religion, or how by the end it was barely bigger then an Ancient Greek city state, or that they did not even pay to watch slaves kill eachjther anymore, it was still Rome and to say otherwise is catholic propaganda funded by Venice.
Edit:
7:50 oh fuck
You almost convinced me to read a history book. I love your channel and the fact that your videos cover so many different things and topics. Somehow, you make everything enjoyable. Even your more political stuff is top notch, engaging and funny, no matter my stance on the subject. You are one of the few channels where I will watch each and every one of your videos from start to finish. I love you and your content!
"almost". means he failed :))
@@ragael1024 eh, not really, i enjoy learning from movies, documentaries, youtube and my professors, I like things being narrated. So, he didn't really fail.
I've never seen a video about history this entertaining, great video, 10/10 will watch again.
I’m blessed to have found this gem of a channel
Educating more people with bussy jokes than a whole education system ever could
Like you promised, you delivered us a sequel!
I've been waiting months for a sequel to your original Rome video and this made my day
That was actually super enlightening! Thanks i enjoyed the hell out of it and got some much needed laughs.
Cobbler inspires the forgotten fascination I once had of ancient history and brings it back into my life in the most glorious way.
Thank you for these and I can’t wait for more. Much love xox.
One of my favorite ways to learn history is in funny and/or any other enjoyable ways. I like Sabaton, not only because they make banger music, but because they are telling you a story, from the near or far past. I like Cobbler's history videos because they are able to get enough, or even more than enough, information to me needed to understand, in a very entertaining and enjoyable way.
Thnx for listing a bunch of books in the description and adding those usefull little summaries about them. Extremely usefull as im looking for a good history book. Thanks babe
This was AWESOME thank you for making it
finally, the prophesied video has come to pass! we thank those who toiled and were determined the make the world a place better ever so slightly than before in its makings!
The last 5 minutes of this video are my favorite. Cobbler has a way of articulating things that I believe myself. He just has better words.
I’m late to checking this, but I really enjoyed this video. You have quickly become one of my favorite CZcamsrs. The ad Libs and “rants” make this less of a “documentary style” and more of an engaged learning for me! Thank you for your effort, I know the editing took some time! 🎉
I’ve been looking forward to this
Almost scrolled past, thinking it was the old video. Thank you for the blessing Peach Cobbler.
This was so worth the wait! Every single one of your videos is honestly just so amazingly made, the presentation and writing and everything is so incredibly captivating. Thanks for making videos.
Fucking brilliant. Best history videos I’ve ever seen in my life and I’m like a connoisseur. It’s my favorite hobby. These were nuts please keep making more
I have been waiting for this video; I learn more from your videos than I ever did from history class
Started watching you as a gaming channel turns out your best work is your history videos
Nice vid, one small thing, Archimedes said “Μη μου τους κύκλους τάραττε” which translates to: do not disturb my circles. not leave me to my circles.
Truly incredible plays you put on, friend.
Ya know I’ve really been enjoying your videos, but in the end it was your take on the war on “terror” that finally got me to subscribe
Awesome video Mr. Peachman.
Now we're just waiting on the Vice City Retrospective, the Alien "Hitchhiker" and the History of Valve Part 2.
And don't look in the corner, Mr. Peachman. He is looking.
Just when I needed this the most, HE RETURNED
Each video displays your perspective on life really well and the more I watch, the more i appreciate you as person lol. Keep it up Cobbler, the internet needs this kind of perspicacity
finally finished this one and i love your content so much man, can't wait for part 3 next year
Thanks for the content, I really love every one of your videos. while someone might dislike the upload schedule, I can really feel all the care put into each video, and all of the time spent waiting for them seems worth it... not a single minute of sub par content on the whole channel.
I am a viewer without patience. I skim through tutorials, skip the first 8 seconds of a 10 second meme and immedietly leave a video if I notice it hasn't gotten to its own point yet.
Yet your video, despite being filled with constant distractions that didn't even get a single chuckle out of me, kept me glued to the screen, being interested not only in the ancient history, but in how you would describe it and what hijinks your low-cost setup would tie it all together.
Liked, subbed and notification belled.
Bless you my man, your stuff is something I really wait for.
Great video, thanks for your blessings mr cobbler
I feel precisely high enough for this
You're one of the only creators I share to friends.
My buddy and I ( I am an American, he is Dominican ) are huge fans of the Republic and the Empire. Your work is hilarious and incredible! You encompass, philosophically, everything we have ever understood about the Greco/Roman paradigm. THANK YOU! Subscribed!!!!!
Someone linked this video over the course of a discord argument about femboys.
Never thought I'd say this, but boy am I thankful to femboys. I probably would never have found this channel otherwise.
you are one of the greatest creators on youtube. you make content that you want and its amazing. it seems to me that you dont care what others think about that content and you just make what you enjoy and thats awesome. i love you(no homo maybe)
This is a great video, can't wait to see what else you bring.
This video is just brilliant, thank you.
My favorite historian/dad uploaded again :)