A WV school district made kids attend a religious revival. Now they're paying the price (Livestream)
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If my kid was suspended for not attending a religious assembly in public school, I would sue *immediately.*
If my kid was forced to attend one, I'd have sued, and had some very unkind words with whomever thought it was a good idea.
Agreed! And after I sued, I'd have taken my kid out for ice cream too! :>
I'm a born again, evangelistic LUTHERAN, and I'm furious evangelicals have coopeted the word "evangelical" to mean "politically very conservative".
God loves us!
THAT's evangelism.
@@veramae4098 yup they are “Chrino’s” {Cry-No’s} “Christians in name only”
I totally wouldn't expect to need to sue. My expectation as an atheist would be that my child would disrupt it with irreverence and sarcasm to the point where he'd be forced to leave.
This was not a mistake. They knew what they were scheduling. They just didn’t get away with it, thankfully.
That’s why this stuff has no place on school property even after hours. It will prevent “mistakes” like this from happening.
It's just a case of good ole Christofascism. My secondary school graduation day at our very secular international private school, filled with the children of non-Christian dignitaries, decided to have a preacher give a sermon for HALF the duration of the ceremony. They learned right quick when 95% of students and their very powerful parents weren't very happy and never did that again in future ceremonies.
You're correct, this was not a mistake. They knew they would be sued and now they can cry persecution!
Oh. it was a mistake, but it was not unintentional.
I think it’s time to start suing the churches in these situations. That way they can sue for much more money. That way you don’t take a lot of money from public schools.
I am a Christian. And this makes my blood boil! I would NOT want my child forced to sit through a religious service during school. They go to school to get an education not go to church.
Should say a distortion of religious service.
Seeing as people that does this type stuff, cherry pick the Bible and twist facts.
EXACTLY!
As an atheist I appreciate your sensible opinion. I see no problem in an After School Club dedicated to religion though. Just keep it separate from actual classes and don't make it compulsory, simple!
@@cautiouslycynical9786 As an atheist, I think religious clubs should only be allowed if all mainstream religions are allowed to have a club, provided they follow all school rules regarding clubs and don't violate any laws or school policies. And no compulsory membership. Fully volunteer only. If you're caught press-ganging people to join, you get automatically disbanded.
@@JorgensZelda Very sensible, I agree.
This ministry should have automatically lose their tax exempt status.
When the “church” interferes in “State” business it violates the IRS mandates. Take away the tax exemption of any and all churches that don’t respect our Constitution. The school district should also lose State and Federal funding.
It is unclear if you mean the people that make up the ministry or you are using the word "Ministry" as a synonym for the church itself. While the church itself pays not taxes (because it does not make a profit), all of the employees of that church, including the pastor, are required to pay income taxes on any money or tangible benefit that they receive from the church. If they church owns the house they live in, then they must claim what that house would rent for as income. If the church owns a jet and they use that jet for purely personal business (which means that every time that jet takes off, it is to spread the word of god) then they would have to claim the cost of that flight as income. All church employees, including the pastor, are fully subject to federal income taxes. They church can own their house, their car, and their airplane, but if they use it for their own personal needs, it is taxable. If it is used only for spreading the word of god, or other churchy bull crap, then it is not income. So, if you mean the ministry as the church, then since it has no profit, there is nothing to tax. If you mean the ministry as the preacher or other church employees, they pay income taxes just like you and I do, though they may be exempt from paying social security or Medicare (Catholic clergy generally do not pay these because the church takes care of them after retirement). Remember this too. Doonald Trump didn't pay income tax for years. Amazon went 15 years before it made a profit and during that time, it did not pay any income taxes. If you are any kind of business and you don't make a profit, you don't pay taxes.
Not paying taxes becaus te rules say you do not have to if not makin profit os somthing els tjen being exempt from taxes. Tje first you follow all the rules like annyone. The second exempts you from the rules quite the diference@@shenmisheshou7002
AMEN!
Thanks for speaking up because it caused me to seek for how to report that sort of thing and found that there is a way to report that sort of thing to the IRS. Now I'm wondering if people have done that quietly or if not why we haven't taken steps towards making it a regular occurrence to mass report all the non profits who break the tax exempt rules. I wonder if we could get all the Atheist channels to include links in the descriptions of videos and advocate for people to report. If we stand by and do nothing we only have ourselves to blame.
Sick of this compelled religious grooming.
Grooming is the right term. You beat me to it 😊
@@Jose-Gonzalez-cfl Yet theocrats never apply it to themselves nor are they introspective enough to admit to the child abuse being set up in their preferred institutions.
Any grooming religious of alphabet 😊.
and indoctrination!
MAGA Calafate
This is the kind of kid that scares Republicans. He's a free critical thinker that won't fall for their ridiculous policies.
Democrats too. They're all your enemy. California is proof.
It isn't even just that he's a critical thinker, but that he's informed on basic facts.
That young man will make one heck of an attorney some day. We need more kids with brains and gumption like him.
He scares democrats too….something to do about critical thinking
@@idontlikeit.7822 I can see it spooking Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and her type of Establishment Democrat, particularly the ones involved with rich fundraising dinners funded by CitiGroup, Cigna, Raytheon, and Pfizer.
I’m in Michigan. Last year there was 2 men standing outside my daughter’s middle school hanging out Bibles and telling kids to come to their church. I called the district office and was told the sidewalk outside the school is public property and they can’t make them leave. Makes me very uncomfortable because I know darn well if it was drag queens inviting kids to a book reading they’d get kicked out.
You’re more likely to be sexually assaulted at church (Pastors, Deacons and Yourh Pastors) then at a drag show.
Damn right
Just google youth pastor arrested@@user-ut7hh3zb2f
I have seen members of opposing religions threatening to do exactly the same to make them stop. That has been very effective.
In AL they had a prayer service, but as it was a government meeting, all religions had to be recognized including Church of Satan. I'm not saying go that extreme, but hand out some other religions tracta and yeah, that's the argument, it's a public sidewalk, so all or none.
@@deniseallen5233 I should try that tactic locally. My state has an article in its constitution that essentially bars non-Christians from public office. I should assert my First Amendment rights, go along to public meetings and offer a prayer to the gods I follow.
I love how religion has to be sneaky, or forceful or outright lie to gather up new followers.
I wonder, why they stuck trying to sneak with religion in schools. Why not to push "legal" designer narcotics in schools for better profit?
It's always been that way.
It has always used threats and violence to control people!
Similar to how Republican politicians operate...
Almost like its entirely made-up or something.
being an atheist is not taking a side, it's simply not accepting BS as an answer.
When will people open their eyes and see religious organizations as nothing more than the FEW who GRIFT the MANY with unattainable promises? Incentives for the few may be the capacity to trick tax-free money and the power acquired!
🙌 100 percent
But God doesn't exist so.....
I am not an atheist and will never tolerate religion in public schools!
They all look like a bunch of hate groups and creepers these days and wouldn't trust any of them around my children!
There IS no "side." There are provable facts and remaining questions, "God," (the God of the Gap) has damned little to DO anymore. Sun comes up by gravity, sky is gray because we pollute, what's left?
This is why any and all pastors and churches that tell their congregations who to vote for and try to blur the lines between chuch and state MUST lose their 501C3 status and be taxed.
I agree 100%, but HOW do we do this? It is 100% CLEAR that some churches are not just, 'bluring the lines' between church and state..... some are getting on the internet and DARING The IRS to come after them!
or be banned, outright.
Absolutely
Who would we call about that
And are any politicians about to take that on?
Over here (🇬🇧) I'm pretty sure that the **** would hit the fan.
The School Districts statement that they "hope it will never happen again" suspiciously sounds like they intend to allow it again.
They're trying to pull a coy Steve Urkel "Did I do That?" routine.
It will definitely happen again. No one involved suffered any consequences. The lawyers who sued on behalf of the plaintiffs are just as morally bankrupt as the school administrators for accepting the settlement.
I caught that too. What do you mean “we hope”?? DON’T DO IT AGAIN.
YES! As a retired teacher who had students of every religion there is I applaud this legal finding. I am sick to death of the Christian attitude that is so UN christian.
UN-christian? Seems 100% christian to me - hateful, forceful, against basic civil rights, indoctrination - yup, all very "chrisitan" to me.
This is what "coming for your kids" is really about.
Well, both sides are coming for your kids, apparently. The gender groomers are no better.
The reason right-wingers are so concerned about "grooming" is because they know that they do it every single chance they get, and assume the other side must be doing the same.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Exactly!
Tell them to stop thinking of children like that.
@@gorillaauit’s like smoking. They must get them very young because a functioning adult mind wouldn’t be susceptible to it.
I wonder how they would have reacted if a school took them to a Mosque service ...
Or a Wiccan open-air altar rite
Or a Jewish synagogue.
Or what if a Muslim student wanted to use that free time period for one of the five times a day required in his religion? I imagine the school authorities would be freaking out.
@@kathleenborsch1312 If you want to freak them out, point out that an American is at more risk of being shot by a toddler than to die in a terrorist attack, of ANY ilk.
Good question or a jewel service😮
It warms my heart to see young adults being involved in activism like we were in the '60's & '70's.
When I was in AP English my teacher assigned us an in-class essay for our midterm that was a compare and contrast essay on one of our reading assignments to the journey of Moses. I walked up to her desk and said this was material we hadn’t discussed in class. She very smugly said that in AP classes we didn’t just tell her what she’d taught us we were expected to expand our thinking, to which I, with equal smugness replied, I don’t know a damn thing thing about the journey of Moses, but I can definitely expound on the idea of separation of church and state if you like. I’ve never seen someone so flummoxed. I knew I was getting an A no matter what I wrote after that.
As someone whose mother and family is from West Virginia, this really makes me mad. People have enough troubles in that state. Having religion shoved down their throats is the last thing any kid needs. They should be preparing students for college requirements, not trying to meet religious requirements in a public school. So proud of the students for protesting!
Religion prays on disenfranchised America .. it’s why the poorest US regions are the most religious.
There are NO college students in West Virginia, the schools ONLY prepare them to dig coal.
Religion is specifically designed to bamboozle people into being taken advantage of.
@@oldoakenbucket2025 please stop confusing WV for Alabama or Mississippi.
@@oldoakenbucket2025 Wow. I'm actually on your side on the general issues on this channel and you double-down on the insults?
Keep it classy.
it is so disgusting when grown ass adults still think they get to force their beliefs on to children
Presenting your beliefs is different than force your beliefs. If anything school is the best place to present various beliefs
I absolutely disagree, the only place religion has in any school is in history of anthropology.
@@willjackson5885Okay, then have them present Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Satanism, and let the kids choose. Show no favoritism and present them all with zero bias.
Same applies to genders right?@@willjackson5885
@@willjackson5885presenting your beliefs to impressionable minds is dangerous and should not be allowed. hence the reason the separation of church and state.
stop apologizing for bad actors and keep your sky daddy to yourself.
AS a card-carrying minister, I am FURIOUS that this happened in a public--as in tax-payer funded, GOVERNMENT FUNDED--school! Are they holding assemblies for the practitioners of the Hindi faith? Paganism? Islam? The religious beliefs of Indigenous/Native Americans? Buddhism? Sikhi? NO! Children were signed up for this WITHOUT their fully informed-in-advance consent, and CERTAINLY WITHOUT their parents' or guardians' consent!
no one cares, you're not one of the 'good ones'. get off the internet and start paying your taxes
And all I hear coming out of interviews with people who are banning books is" they are trying to indictrinate our kids".
ha ha .. a "card-carrying" minister ??? whoa!!! doesn't hold ANY weight with anyone ! any pedo can have cards printed claiming they are a "minister" ...
And not just different religions, but even different Christian denominations this is such a bad idea. Are Catholic parents going to be happy their children are getting Protestant teachings at school? What about when a Pentecostal guest speaker leads all children in a session to speak in tongues? I grew up in a Latin American country with Catholicism as the stated national religion and even in that environment I never experienced prayer in public school or any religious services during school hours.
These people are hypocrites. Had a school made it mandatory to attend a Muslim event, or a Pagan religious event they would be furious. The arrogance that they have "the truth," and disregard anyone else's spiritual or lack of spiritual belief is appalling.
How could it possibly be a "mistake" that the school invited a religious speaker and forced kids to go to it.
"Oops, we got caught."
"The school" did not. The administrators ( stupidly and unconstitutionally) approved the FCA's request for a revival event with voluntary attendance. A few individual asshole teachers told their classes that attendance was mandatory and, when Jewish and other students asked to leave, said the doors were locked, exceeding the approved terms.
Same reason you can't say bad words on youtube or you lose monetization: Christianity good
They’ll say it was worth it.
“Errrrr… it was a mistake! Yeah… when they wrote they wanted to celebrate Jesus, we assumed they were talking about our underpaid, overworked Latino janitor! Yeah! That’s it!”
I'm done "respecting" religion. Every time someone brings it up I'm calling them out. I don't care if it's a nun.
Well, if you respect gender lunatics you gotta respect religious lunatics as well. Let's all turn a blind eye to the different mental illnesses that afflict the right and the left.
The way they are behaving they do not deserve respect
Go for it!! I have been calling them out for years.
Finally! Im from the Netherlands and 20 years ago I played an online game, with people all over the world, and regularly had arguments with Americans about religion, even me stating that Im an atheist and think religion is nonsense was met by highly affronted people.. the fact you mention that was considered insulting... even the non religious Americans in the group said I should not be mentioning that out of respect... the fact that it is evenly respectless the other way around (forcing religious crap on non believers) was not understood, apparently the religious have more rights in the US.
@@mr83961 Absolutely, atheists are looked down on by religies. What is funny to me is the fact that they call atheism a religion because they just can't grasp the concept of someone living without religion.
In 1978, my south eastern Ohio high school held an all-school assembly where a "rock band" played. They played covers of popular songs and encouraged us to come to their concert that evening at the high school. My friends and I begged our parents for ticket money (which I knew my parents couldn't afford). But the concert ended up being a "Come to Jesus" type deal except there was rock music instead of a choir. I felt so ripped off. It didn't occur to me until years later that this was a school sponsored religious event. This became one of several events that led me away from my Methodist upbringing and into being an Atheist. Thanks for your channel.
2:53 - Threatened with suspension?
If I were a student attending that assembly and decided to leave, but was threatened with suspension if I followed through leaving, I'd say:
"Suspend me! But my parents will sue!"
A few years ago, I "reconnected" on Facebook with an old friend I hadn't seen in almost 40 years, and the first thing he sent me was a video of the homecoming festivities at his local high school in some godforsaken holler in Eastern Kentucky. The football coach (and local pastor) was standing at the 50 yard line, screaming some bloodthirsty passage from the Bibble into a megaphone as the team carried a massive, 20-foot crucifix constructed out of railroad ties onto the field, which they then erected, after which they knelt on the field and fervently prayed to Jeebus for an hour or so. Shocked, I asked dude if this was a public school, and he said, "Yeah, what's the problem?" And when I reminded him of the essential, fundamental separation of church and state...my old friend immediately "unfriended" me. We are far, far too stupid and savage to survive.
That's scary S'.
That’s ‘Murrica for you…
Facebook is an abomination lol for every post of people current in life there is some old baggage best left behind.
That’s one town that should probably be avoided by young families. The entire “carrying of the cross onto the field and the players and people kneeling before it” has shades of “Golden Calf,” even if the participants don’t realize it.
Giant Wooden Cross of Railroad Ties? Seems like a “graven image” to me.
Pastor spewing “Hellfire and Brimstone” speech to an - assumed - football team during a school game?
Religious Indoctrination Supportive Supplement behavior, a cultish phenomenon.
The “old friend” is better left alone. Like a Bigfoot, inundated by True Believer cults. Poor Sasquatch!
@@BlanBonco the best thing I’ve done for my sanity was leave FB 3 years ago.
Our public schools is not your Church. Good on that student for standing up
How can they take prayer from schools and yet allow this. US school board districts have too much power overall
Old church ladies who want to get up in everyone else’s business.
@@carked5707 In 18 years we never prayed in public school nor should there be prayer in school. Prayer in school does not cover all religions.
@carked5707 no one took prayer out of school.
They shouldn’t be allowed to teach if they don’t even know about the history of this country
I was often forced to go to these revivals as a child. They only confirmed and reaffirmed by disbelief in the ridiculous claims of religion.
These are probably the same people that accuse everyone else of grooming kids.
Hypocrisy is very strong in the Christian fundamentalists!
It always is! The self-projection is ridiculous.
Any time republicans accuse others of doing something. It's because that is just what republicans are doing.
Definitely!
As a Christian, I'm mentally exhausted at how others who call themselves "Christians" are trying to force this onto others. This is completely underhanded and manipulative which goes AGAINST the laws of the country, and goes against God. Everyone has free will to make that choice on their own, it does NOT need to be forced. Plus, the Bible LITERALLY says "mind your business", how hard is that to do...?!?! 😑
The majority of Christians have never read their religious text.
You actually read your bible?
You might be the first christian in existance who actually does read their bible.
Can you teach your other christian members to read their bibles too?
Jesus abhorred religion, the churches and the synagogues. He said to be a RIGHTEOUS PERSON, not a religious person. Going against Jesus Christ and claiming to be religious is actually Anti-Christ.
Anyone claiming to be religious is actually ANTI -CHRIST.
If you truly believe that Jesus Christ lives within yourself than you don’t need to worship yourself as Jesus or as Jesus worshiping you. You just exist as a Righteous person with Integrity.
You need to fix that delusional thinking. You are so close.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 I wish I could. I generally view things as a spectator. I believe to understand, you have to have objectivity. I, myself, get tired of ppl using the Bible to try to justify ignorance of forcing religion onto others. Just bc it's in the Bible doesn't mean ppl are understanding it correctly. And let's not forget how so many throughout the centuries have used the Bible to justify horrific atrocities. Being RESPECTFUL of other ppl's decisions on their life is the very core of what Christianity is suppose to be about.
Imagine if they were being forced to sit through an Islamic religious assembly
Or a Satanist one!...actually that one seems like it would be interesting.
But it's the same thing, "pushing my beliefs onto you".
I would have been a student who walked out. If I got suspended, somebody on staff would be suspended or fired. A "voluntary" religious assembly in school, NO. First thing that comes to mind is the separation of school and religion!
Small correction. THEY didnt "pay the price", AMERICAN TAXPAYERS did
Actually, it was their insurance which paid the lawyer's fees.
who do you think pays for the insurance?@@aralornwolf3140
weird how words say things @@aralornwolf3140
@@aralornwolf3140 True, but taxpayers will have to pay the increased premiums, to be paid in future.
@@neill392 insurance companies should raise the premiums on the offenders, and their ilk, and then when the can no longe afford the premiums they become uninsured.
The fact that they forced Jewish kids into this is scary, but unfortunately it doesn't surprise me.
While I was in the USA I taught music in a small private music and dance school. The owner was a Christian nationalist nutcase, the wife of a state senator. And I tried to explain to her that we cannot teach Jesus songs to Jewish kids (I had a Jewish student) and she was utterly confused as to why Jews don't follow Jesus...
Most private schools are (or were at a time) christian schools. They absolutely can teach religious bs to kids.
So why did you let them live?
really dumb comment. Freedom from religion means that YOU are free to pray to the sky fairy of your choice, you are just not allowed to FORCE that sky fairy on other people, especially in Public schools/institutions. But you already knkow that I'm sure troll farm employee. @@Benjamin-mh8ei
As f*cked up as it is, most private schools are run by Christian nationalists/extremists and it is 100% legal for them to force religion on children if that is in their curriculum or part of their rules. It's on the parents at that point. You'd never catch me sending my kids to a private school 😬
@@Mosz
Nobody is saying they CAN'T say any crazy-ass shit they want in a private setting. There are no laws of physics preventing it, as far as I'm aware.
The point is that it's REASONABLE TO OBJECT to one's children being exposed to it unless prior permission has been given, to point out that such behavior is objectionable, perhaps even to litigate for breach of contract where appropriate, and so on.
Actions have consequences. It seems bizarre to me that this should have to be explained.
Church is for teaching religion, school is for teaching math science history .
I am a Christian but this would outrage me! There are MANY different versions of Christianity and I would not appreciate anyone trying to force their version on my kids! Especially since my own religion would NEVER do something like this.
I was raised a Christian and went to church every Sunday every Sunday as a child. My parents had no problem when I decided I would like to study all religions and decide for myself. I did not raise my son in any church, and he is an awesome human, great dad and phenomenal grandson. He is my 90 year old mom’s main caregiver. No religion necessary.
This Max kid is going places, well played on his part. XD
Everyone involved in foisting that "you better convert or burn" sermon ought to lose their job. That kind of thing is legitimately traumatizing.
Max is awesome. 🎉
I do support the banning of 'convert or burn' as that is not even Biblical as it turns out! My G-d is for Love and Peace, not violent hate unless you follow 'mans rules that he professes is from teh Bible'. The Bible was meant as a guide book and not a sword to be put down the throat of kids.
Have you read your bible? Genocide, murder, concubines and slaves, just for starters. Not too much love and peace.
Have you read the history of mankind? Its is full of Man does evil. In the Bible, we have God forgives, shows grace and mercy. Try reading about Moses and the parting of the red sea, the exodus and the giving of Manna for food, and then the book of John. To say that there is not god because man is evil is absurd. There are 2 gods - one Good and one evil. The evil one wants you to only see how man did evil in the Bible and screams "See no god! if there was a god, you'd be perfect.". No, we wouldn't be perfect. As long as we listen and do evil, we prove we as mankind are not capable of being perfect. Even J K Rowling decided after writing Harry Potter, that because of what she wrote, that Mankind can not save itself and needs a God to save it. Granger wrote a great book on where God exist in Harry Potter, but I forget which title. He has more then one book on the subject. Brilliant book! And yes, I did vote for LGBTQA++, meaning I'm not a hater. @@davidgardiner4720
@@davidgardiner4720 There is even god given instructions in the bible for men on how to abort a pregnancy of their wife if they suspect infidelity... And they wonder why I'm athiest. Malignant, the lot of them.
As a child I always felt an outsider when the teachers did the Bible reading and prayer, but never had the nerve to say anything. There was one kid who did, however, and would immediately leave the room. I never told him how inspiring I found that and wish I had.
In my elementary school years, there was still prayer in school. I never knew what to do with myself, so uncomfortable, as a kid.
As the only Jew in my entire school I always felt alienated. Things haven't gotten any better lately, either.@@ighdesigns
I was raised Methodist (in So. California - not a bible=thumping type church) and most of the kids in my public school were probably similar - various Christian denominations. We had one girl in our class who was not only Jewish, but an atheist. I look back with pride that I intervened (at probably age 9 or 10) when some other kids were giving her grief about not believing in god - telling them that people had the right to believe whatever they wanted to. (Maybe I was looking into a future where I would also become an atheist. ;) ) Fortunately, there was no prayer in school
She no doubt remembers you today@@renastone9355
In order to survive in an insane world one must appear to be insane!
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution." - James Madison
Good job, Max. Thanks for sharing his letter, and his argument is strong and appropriate.
Very happy to see students pushing back on religion... especially in WV
I'm so glad that ppl are speaking up without retribution.
And that schools and institutions are finally being held accountable.
Very proud of the student for speaking up about this!!
or Insurance Co's in this, and almost *every* like case.
So how are *they* learning their lesson when they feel zero consequences
@@steven.h0629 Their premiums go up with each claim.
By enough to PAY THE CLAIM in a relatively short period of time.
They ARE paying for it. Just on the Installment Plan.
@@Spiritdove64 Because the case JUST GOT SETTLED. And that makes it News.
Quit trying to down-play the damage done by you RELIGIOUS GROOMERS, by PRETENDING to be stupid.
Religious brain washing. Let's face it...if they didn't pollute or "groom" young minds , the fable would have died long ago.
There was some retribution. Didn't Owen Morgan a.k.a. telltale say that his family faced death threats for speaking out against this very situation?
If the church was involved in ANY way then they should be sued TOO!!
Separation Between Church And State, MEANS, Separation Between, Church And State, LITERALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“This shouldn’t be swept under the rug…”
…but it will. No political figure wants to hold religion accountable for any of the heinous shite they pull.
I have seen that happen too many times. Things change for a while but return to what passes for "normal" here in the Bible Belt.
The irony is these kinds of folks would freak at drag story hour because of "the kids" but have no issue leaving said kids with a baptist youth minister or a priest. I think we all know which group molests the most kids.
Unless it's Islam.
As a non American in my view Religion has far too much power in politics and that power to me seems to be growing and growing. Indoctrination and brain washing is not that far away from where things lie right now!
@@davidbrayshaw6162 This. Religion used to be a personal choice. Now so-called Christians (they're not; they just use religion as a way to oppress and hate people) have infiltrated the highest seats of government and are using their power to try to force everyone to live as they do. These people have clearly never read a Bible in their lives and don't know Jesus or God at all. As a Christian, I have nothing to do with evangelicals.
This is what really kills me, these people think it is their duty to shove their beliefs and religion down somebody's throat when they didn't ask for it!
Its called indoctrination, just like the MAGA's keep saying about liberals. It's called projection.
Even with Christianity there are several different beliefs. The core may be the same. There is a God. But there are a lot of other beliefs that are very different. I'll choose what my child is exposed to and how. And help him decide what his beliefs are going to be. Even if he decides his are different from mine. No school has a right to force their beliefs on him.
You’ll notice that spreading the word is paramount to these liars. Truth needs no salesman.
Fr!! That’s what’s really annoying too. I’m a Christian, and I do not believe in praying to saints, or the pope, since I believe that that is blasphemy. I would be so aggravated if someone was teaching my hypothetical child that. They clearly do not understand that school is for education, and has nothing to do with religion....💀@@anthonyfrost9220
Yet I’m sure that if a Muslim Imam was invited to give these students a speech about Islam, the parental uproar would be deafening… all the way up to the Supreme Court!
Someone posting here talked about ‘Christian grooming’. Couldn’t agree more.
I grew up in a Christian home, at some point it finally dawned on me that religion and cult are the same thing.
Sue the school system and the administrators responsible for this fraudulent scheme. And sue the church as well. Despicable!
They did sue the school. The decision came down and all teachers in the district have to take an annual class on church-state separation so they can't claim another "oopsie". As far as the administrators ( whose limited, but still unconstitutional, terms and conditions set for the revival were exceeded by a few assholes ), I think this is one headache they will remember that will deter any repeats.
Tell us you didn't actually watch the video without telling us you didn't watch the video.
@@yurilookingforhisvictor7674this happens a lot. People see the headline and immediately comment.
The same thing happens with print news stories.
Always watch to the end of a video and read the third paragraph in any news story. It’s known as the “yeah..BUT” paragraph, and is the place where the qualifiers come out….often contradicting the headline, which is written to evoke strong emotions.
The OP could have run the video on 2x speed if they didn’t have a few minutes to find out the rest of the story.🤷🏼♀️
They used to do this shit when I was in high school in Florida, we just didn’t have cameras on our cellphones to record the proof. I wish I’d had the wherewithal to sue my school district back then
I was a new employee at an evangelical Christian college. I was required to attend religious services during my workday, and I was not of the faith of the evangelical Christian college. I mentioned the separation of church and state to a coworker. Shortly thereafter, I was laid off. I am a Roman Catholic. Quite frankly, I was glad I no longer had to work there. I was already looking for work elsewhere.
When I went to parochial school, we had some Protestant students who also attended. During religion class they were sent outdoors (This was in southern California and the weather was almost always nice.) to sit and read a book of their choice. They were not required to go to Mass or receive any Catholic sacraments EVER. Nobody said anything to these kids about their religious affiliation or tried to convert them.
My big problem with organized religion are the ones that feel they have the right to impose their beliefs on others. That is the reason why the Pilgrims fled England and why the Founding Fathers created the separation between Church and State in our Constitution.
I hope the people that required the revival should pay for the lawsuit themselves .. No religious groups should be using state property to operate their agenda
It's easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. By then, the damage is done.
And Father James gives a candy bar and a soda for a BJ.
Yes, "lying for Jesus" is perfectly ok. They netted 50 or so souls... 🙄
@@aureyd2515 fairy tales netted the souls, to those ready to be dupped. Grooming for a fairy tale Jesus is how I see it, and they do not belong in public shools.
Well said 👏👏👏👏👏
Yes but the consequences are much higher.
Thanks for putting this out there. Kudos to Max.
Forty years ago I grew up in this school district, as a Christian. My HS principal was also my Sunday School teacher. However, this would never, ever have happened. If we allow the current Republican House leadership to have its way, this will be commonplace in US schools. And you can be certain that if Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc had done this, there would have been national outrage. I am so disillusioned with organized “Christian” religion that I don’t really consider myself a Christian anymore. And Christian is in quotes because they don’t practice a Christianity that i recognize nor is supported by the New Testament.
For the record, the school district is pronounced CAB-ul, not KA-bell.
Kids like this, give me hope for our future.
I hope Max can read this, but KEEP FIGHTING BROTHER. Huge respect to you! Can we recognize this young man's bravery!
this is why maga are so afraid of educating young kids PROPERLY. they KNOW that their bs is easily recognized and will be roundly rejected by the majority of them.
Yes! 🎉💙🎉
And even more so in West Virginia. Hats off to Max.
Indeed!
One of my local churches has a big sign on the outside.
I must say, I totally agree with this church which is rare for me to find any common ground with a church.
The sign reads.
"Where the sheep come to be fed"
Every church should have this sign. Truth in advertising laws and all.
I love when they're accidentally self-aware
... and fleeced.
I find it endlessly funny how often they like to call other people sheeple.
It’s literally their religion. A cult of sheeple.
That's where they put the Jesus in you. With love 😉🤣
I wonder if the safe word is "baaaaaaa"
Lol
Same thing happened to me in High School back in 1999. Only they told us what it was (Last minute) Our options were to attend, or get 3 days in school suspension. I spoke up during the "assembly" and was told that if I didn't sit down and shut up, I would get detention. By the end of my argument, they had given me 5 days after school detention. But it was an Easter sermon and revival. It reminded me of some churches I had been to. They talked about false religions and turning to Christ etc. And how anyone following one of these "False religions" would be going to hell. This was the last two hours of our school day. Many of us asked if we could leave early instead of going to the assembly and were threatened with suspension if we did. So I believe it was forced 100%
I remember this exact thing happening in my middle school. Back then, there was no one to protect us
That courageous student gives me hope for humanity.
FFRF needs to watch every year because when this kid graduates, this type of thing WILL happen again because this religion demands it.
Thank you for all you do to keep the separation of Primitive Patriarchal Desert cults away from public education.
That young man, Max, should get an award of some kind. A "Standing Up For Freedom" award! 🏆🏆🏆
That was my high school. Fortunately I graduated in 2003. Makes me ashamed of my school.
Getting caught was a mistake. I live next door in Kentucky. The law and Constitution are treated as squishy things around here.
How on earth does such a thing occur in a public school did all the kids go home and tell their parents? How nefarious of the school to do this and punish the student who did not want to go!!
This young man, and those like him, are our future leaders. Considering the nightmare that we are currently experiencing, at least there is hope.
The problem is these people feel they have a right or even a duty to impose their BS on others.
Because they are desperate.
Just look up church attendance decline and that is your reason why.
This behaviour in US schools *horrifies* me. As far back as 1961 the UK school I attended allowed us to choose whether we wished to attend the religious part of "Assembly"or not.
They actually think you’re suppressing their religious freedoms if you don’t allow them to force their religion down the kids’ throats.
@@annalieff-saxby568 I live in Canada and all that was forced on me was saying the Lord's prayer in the morning. However, what I find extremely offensive is tax dollars are used to fund a Catholic school system, where they not only teach that BS but discriminate as to who they'll hire.
@@bigguyonalittleadventure5673 More like up the other end of the digestive tract.
I'm so proud of these students standing up for their rights and the rights of others. This sort of thing was rampant in my high school as I grew up in WV. I spoke out about it often in class, and to teachers, and got the stink-eye from most. Even had the Christian kids try to convert me.
I'm hopeful that the lawsuit makes a difference. I'm a faithful Christian, but that doesn't belong in my government or anyone's public schools. 🙏❤️ I don't want Christ sullied by the dirty dealings of government.
It's a shame that attorneys made a hell of a lot more than the kids. That money could have been use to help those students that needed help especially in WV.
The thing is, the kids and parents of the kids specifically asked not to get anything other than policy changes. So their wishes were followed when they won the lawsuit.
love it when students fight back against teacher's/preacher's bs
My school had the occasional religious assembly back in the 70s. I’m glad people are fighting back on this now.
By the way, I hope the students and their parents have the good sense to file a civil suit against the teachers and administrators if the students traumatized by this later suffer psychiatric problems that need to be treated. I think this original suit demanded punitive damages, but at least they should be responsible for losses that the students may have suffered. There is NO excuse for this negligent misconduct on the part of the schools and the county school administration.
I was working in an elementary school in CANADA where American religious fanatics came here, got on the Parent teacher board and started finding ways to indoctrinate kids while they were in school away from their parents - it took 4 years but a small group of hardworking parents finally GOT THEM OUT and they never came back But it was AWFUL while they were in there trying to infiltrate by making, let's just say, weird and inappropriate relationships with children
Sickening. Almost as sickening as the separate school system for cathoholics.
Churches want your money. Got to buy the "pastor" his 4th private jet.
Some so-called churches became greedy like that. They stopped talking about Jesus and got caught up in the "prosperity gospel", which I have seen firsthand as nothing but a scheme to rob sincere people of lots of money, even their life savings. One of their main preachers is Kenneth Copeland, who famously owns the 4 jets; ugh, he's a nasty crook. That kind of stuff casts a bad light on the majority of churches, who are law-abiding and respectful.
If a church makes more than $100k, tax the hell outta it. The taxes can go towards healthcare and education grantd
Churches are tax exempt at any amount of revenue donation. In theory, the larger the church, the more charitable work they can do for the community. If you can prove that a church is not engaged in charitable activities and you can prove it, you can file with the IRS, and if the IRS investigates and agrees, they can revoke the tax exempt status. Form 13909
@@shenmisheshou7002I believe they are only legally obligated to use a tiny 5% for "charitable activities" the rest goes in their pockets!
@@elainstill1671 Yep. Religion is the biggest confidence game in the history of civilization.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Are you aware of the IRS _ever_ revoking the tax exempt status of an organisation which claims to be involved in religious activities? The only case I'm aware of is that of Scientology, and the IRS eventually backed down on that, even though it is blatantly clear to anyone with any sense that Scientology is as much a religion as NASCAR racing or Mary Kay Cosmetics are.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Joel Osteen sure did help a lot of Houston residents during a hurricane....NOT.
Good for Max! There is hope for democracy and its through the children.
Excellent job Max! I’m sure it wasn’t easy calling this all out & organizing a protest. You probably received a lot of pressure from other students, staff, administrators & some parents to be quiet. Thank-you for doing the right thing! And thank-you FFRF for taking legal action!
This is a prime example of what I have been saying since I escaped this evangelical nightmare. Not only do they see nothing wrong with trampling over any of “Man’s Laws” to fulfill their “Great Commission” to “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every living creature.”, they honestly believe it is the most important thing that they can accomplish in this world. Laws be damned, differing opinions be damned, nothing matters more than them getting Devine clout by spreading the “Good News” that everyone is a sinner and deserves eternal torture - unless you join their cult. The Constitution you say? Nah. They are doing “The Lord’s Work”.
There is no one on Earth more dangerous than a zealot convinced that they have a corner on the truth, a divine mandate to make others believe it by whatever means necessary, and an eternal reward for any consequences they incur in this life.
Exactly! As a fellow Evangelical "survivor" I can confirm that proselytizing to and "saving" non-believers is THE #1 tenet of their so-called faith. Followed close on by intolerance of difference (religion, race, gender, sexuality) which is viewed as "heathen" and irredeemable. They talk a lot about Jesus but don't practice what he preached. Also use the threat of eternal damnation to keep you in line..
This country has taken such huge steps backwards in recent years. Very sad!
Not really. They just went quiet for a while. Religion and bigotry play the long game. We should have never ignored their silence.
It really got bad starting with Ronnie Raygun in he 80s
Yes, but that doesn't mean we can't work on taking bigger steps back forward like the above-mentioned students.
They managed to turn white male atheists conservative by turning them into redpilled incels. Since white men benefit from Christian theocracy, it's easy to get them to hate women and minorities more than they hate indoctrination. Oppressors never give up their power willingly. The left has to stop "going high" when they "go low".
It absolutely has felt backwards. But perhaps we’re all here enduring this to move the nation through these times and protect Democracy. My father was a soldier in WWII. My uncle died in it. My classmates’ older brothers died in Viet Nam. That was their contribution. They protected Democracy and gave us the country we grew up in. Now it’s our turn. That’s all. We’re just paying our dues.
I can assure you that they would *NOT* have forced me to attend a religious revival meeting (graduated in 1969). I refused to attend my high-schools pre-graduation assembly (they called it a baccalaureate) which [IMHO] had religious overtones; I was the only student in a class of ~600 who voluntarily didn't attend - I sat with the 3 students of my year who were not graduating!
I also refused to vocalise "under God" during the ridiculous pledge of allegiance and eventually refused to recite the entire pledge.
Apparently, baccalaureates are meant to be religious. I went to my sister's in the 80s and was like "WTF is this??" Luckily, I didn't have to end up haveing to protest at my own, because my school wisely didn't have them.
It seems incredible that the need is there to remind the staff of the rules every year.
I bet this is happening all over the Bible-belt and beyond.
My 19 year old son regularly walked out on guest speakers while he was in high school. Or engaged the speakers in debates on their topic. And usually won. He’d have had a heyday with this.
Glad to see such an articulate student standing up for his rights
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Keep your religion out of my state! Get God off my money Stop making me swear on a Bible. Get your God out of my government! It is unlawful and disrespectful.
Over 40 years ago when I was USAF boot camp the first Sunday rolled around and the morning was reserved for church. Those that did not attend services were supposed to have the morning free to hang out in the barracks dayroom and watch TV. But nope, they forced EVERYONE to attend either the Catholic mass or the generic protestant services (interestingly, they held Jewish services on Sunday morning as well). Of course, that came with a heavy push for the "heathens" to repent and I got an earful of proselytizing. On Monday morning I requested a few minutes with the squadron commander and his XO and explained that I was more than willing to phone my congressman's office and the base IG about the violation of my religious rights. Next Sunday I had the morning all to myself in the dayroom. Sunday after that I had about ten guys hanging out with me, and by the time we all got bussed out to our duty assignments nobody was going to church on Sunday.
To this day the USAF is run by a cabal of evangelical Christians, particularly at the academy.
Sacrilegious is the religion of the Stratigic Air Command.
In Marine Corp Boot camp, going to service wasn't forced. However you would go to anything to get out of that barrack for a few minutes. In those three months I attended every service they offered. When I joined I was Baptist. When I got out I was still Baptist. While I was in the fleet I was exposed and attempted to be converted by some of every belief there is. Scientology, Pottery House, Jehovah witness and several others. I'm a baptist by choice.
@@anthonyfrost9220 The more popular cults back in my day were Baháʼí, Eckankar, Moonies, and Hare Krishna. Scientology was still better known as Dianetics, but the little whackjob "personality tests" were becoming more an more common. The death knell for most of them was the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, which was peak stupid for the various Hindu ashrams/cults that preyed upon hippies that had melted their brains out with drugs.
By the time they got around to David Koresh the "reincarnation of Jesus" cults were running out of followers - there was far more money (and women) to be had via televangelism.
How Scientology hasn't been brought up on charges of slavery, kidnapping, and racketeering is beyond me. Sea Org ships should be boarded and confiscated by the navy of any country they pull into port at.
I went thru this at boot camp ant Advanced training too every wave of training did this as well ! THANKYOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ! PS got out early due to sexual harrassment by these same individuals 😑
I joined around the same time. If you didnt attend services, they wanted you to clean barracks. Fortunately I was friends with a Jewish guy who told me to go with them. They took a bus to the San Antonio JCC where we hung out, played ping pong and watched tv.
All schooling is to provide truths, facts and evidence, not religious fiction!
Keep religious books in literature classes, no different from Aesops Fables, Peter Pan, Chronicles of Narnia, or Harry Potter.
@lorensoth4365 no religious books shouldn’t be in any classes. The Bible and Torah and Quran all promote slavery, promote hating on homosexual people, promote genocide in the name of “god” (or whatever translation) and many other things.
@lorensoth4365 you know what isnt in any of aesops fables? Or any of the other fictional works you listed? The threat of eternal damnation if you dont listen to god
@@callsignapollo_ Like I said, it's fiction, nothings going to happen if you disobey!
@truthdepot3582 I agree that it's fiction, and it's fiction that shouldn't be instructed on as if anything contained within is factual, much like we currently do with greek mythology. Im just pointing out that the other grade school fiction that religious works were compared to didn't have prescriptive messages about eternal damnation, and perhaps the bible shouldn't be grouped with them.
And Hermant, I am glad that you took this action too.
Thank you for highlighting this event and bringing it forward thank god it was stopped and went to court and that this kids were protected!!! I cannot stand people doing this stuff to kids or the sneaky nature of this kind of this!!! Congratulations to the parents for the parents for this case and making the school pay for case and teach to learn the separation of. Church of and state! Clearly the district has a lot to learn! Smart Students for sure for reporting this
When people get in trouble for this it just fuels their persecution complex and they will do it again.
That BS should be banned from all schools.
It is officialy banned, this is why the suit held up in court.
File a lawsuit and have the school’s public education funds stopped and refunded to the people.
Max and brave, patriotic West Virginia high school students, hooray for you! I’m so proud of you. In this challenging time when Democracy is under siege you are like a cool breeze by the water on a blisteringly hot summer day. Never forget Democracy is not a gift. It is a right that must be fought for in boring, small ways and sometimes in large ways. I fully expect you to learn all you can about our Constitution and one day run for office. If you’re 15 now, well I expect we’ll have a president from West Virginia around, say, 20 years from now. Persevere! I know from my experience that the God who gave us the right to choose (free will) is real, and that’s why I support everyone’s, including atheists’, right to believe as they choose. Blessings.
"It's easier to do it and apologise afterwards, than to ask permission beforehand."
We didn't mean to do that? BULL!! Liars!!
I may be sh!tting in your shoe presently, but I didnt mean to.
Thank you for sharing this. This should have been covered by the evening news.
"Oh no! Make it mandatory! We can always lie later and say we made a mistake!" Stupid people, once again, thinking they're smarter than their students.
The Texas indoctrination of my children started in the 4th grade. The parent - teacher night, as we walk into there class had a large poster with the books showing us the kids favorite books in there homes - the first one was a King JAMES Bible as no. 1. Supposedly kids decided the books to read. What wonderful 3rd and 4th graders. in my 1965 - 5th grade class of 100+, we were taken on a field trip to watch BenHur. Children were very emotional and alot crying when it was over. I was raised catholic and was told it was satan who ran that church.
So disgusting. I rejected it all soon after that. TY sir - you are honoring our great constitution. Your truth will prevail.