A Christian dad says his gay daughter's counselor interfered with their bigotry (Livestream)
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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2023
- Brad Briscoe claims his daughter was manipulated by her high school guidance counselor... but we're only hearing one side of the story.
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I love how Christians' first move is always to go "What? I'm not allowed to be a bigot?! STOP DESCRIMINATING AGAINST MY FAITH!!" And they call _us_ the snowflakes.
Hello snowflake!
Seriously, what happened to live and let live? Turn the other cheek? Do these idiots even read their own bible or do they just lick the cover?
What, didn't you get the memo? It isn't bigotry when it's based on your religious beliefs. /s
While straight up making de■th threats. Did you know Oklahoma proposed a bill this year called the Millstone Act of 2023 (SB 129, which, as you can see here, the title was stricken in March. Curious. www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb129 )
Now, because I was given one of Oklahoma's top notch educations, I can't tell you much about this bill, if it has any chance of continuing to pass, or if the bill is "no longer alive" (because youtube is so crazy idk if I can even say that word lol). I certainly hope not.
A lot of folks don't realize it, but Oklahoma is just Florida without a coast, with way less money, and fewer eyes upon it (even conservative eyes, which makes it way worse because we have to deal with them going extra hard so "hopefully Senpai will notice me.") It would be funny if it wasn't getting us killed. And I'm not even trans.
Very few people in my community even know I'm bi. Certainly enough, and I don't make it a big secret, because I was a young adult under Obama, and while he's pretty sh¡t in a lot of ways, compared to any politician I've seen here, he might as well be, idk, just think of the best politician you have ever heard of and double it. So I thought things were gonna be ok, and never really hid it, and this being a small town, plenty of folks know. So while I was more or less disowned by most of my family, I wasn't too worried about actually, ya know, dying about it. But after taking several beatings in 2014, and watching the police give my stalker ex nothing but a slap on the wrist for continued harassment over the years, because of course he told them I was a filthy dyk■ and deserved anything I got (I once asked if a cop would please come out into the lobby with us durring child exchange because he was verbally abusive every time, and that he had recently asaulted me and my "friend", and he tells me "Welllll, you know.....I know just a little bit more about all that than you're letting on." I think I just teared up and walked away, because I knew there was never going to be any help from them. Yes, there were good cops who tried to help me sometimes, but i knew i could never count on it.)
Luckily for me, my ex is a dumb motherf■cker, and managed to get them all to hate him by being a mouthy b●stard, and eventually throwing a punch at one of them in the police station. Had he been smart he could have made my life so much worse, so thank God for that I guess.
So there's no going back into the closet, but I don't live with my gf, and I don't volunteer that info either. And when folks see you have a kid the assume you are het, and then you get to find out that your neighbors can't wait untill its legal to kill all of your kind. Because people just feel comfortable saying what they've been wishing they could say, but apparently needed some orange freak to be elected before they actually had the stones to say it out loud to folks.
I suspect that if America falls to fascism, if I don't recognize it in real time before its confirmed that's what's happening, and leave everything i own behind to flee to.... somewhere ( NYC? Canada?) then I figure we won't make it out. Not much I can do about it tho. Stuck here with court ordered child visitation for 8 more years, absolutely pennyless, and disabled, tho I can't get on disability because invisible illnesses and all that, despite having diagnosises. All I can do is laugh and see the "guess I'll die" meme in my head, because what are you gonna do at this point.
This place tries to grind out any hope left in folks, which works for the most part, but I suspect will continue to backfire more often the more time passes, because a person with nothing left to lose is the most dangerous person on the planet. And when you keep pushing people they will fight back. I mean even in nonviolent ways. Where do you think Chealsea Manning came from? Do you think if she would have had a more supportive life she would have eneded up doing what she did? Treating folks like this isn't going to be good for them, surely even they can see this at this point.
Oh, completly unrelated to the tangent I've been on, but related to the video, I just wanted to say that schools here are so bad that the people in charge don't even know the laws they are supposed to follow. Somebody in my class (in a PUBLIC, not private high school) said they put a curse on this kid they were mad at. I was drug into the office with all of the weirdos, one at a time, and questioned on whether I practiced witchcraft. In the early 2000s. Because I was so suprised by the question, I answered truthfully "no", but like, I didn't even know enough to know that was illegal af. And considering some of the stuff they tried to teach incorrectly, when it was clear they didn't understand what was in the textbooks, I don't think they knew it was illegal either.
And these people vote, ffs. If anything, that's what makes people lose hope around here.
Not all Christians. Just the ones in the news.
When that girl is an adult, she's going to detest her parents. Rightly so.
She needs to sue them for abuse
@@ThatOpalGuy probably would be better for her if she just went no contact.
I left home at 17 and barely looked back. All that was there was pain. @@thenaturalmidsouth9536
@thenaturalmidsouth9536 guarantee if she were male she'd pull a Menendez brother solution.
I'm 51. I'm straight cisgender man. I'm an atheist and liberal. Inwas raised by evangelical parents. Over my adult life the biggest obstacle personally has been my indoctrinated belief that I am bad and deserve eternal torture. I try to forgive my parents, but they still believe what they believe. The religion has been a destructive force in my life, and in my relationship with them
Poor kid. She needs acceptance and support, not denial and alienation.
Denial and alienation are the least of her problems. Consider threats of going to hell, threats of de- owning her as a child/ family member, mental abuse, pressure to change, pressure to endi her friends and relationships, etc
Acceptance of insanity and depravity? Just what kind of education do you give to children?
@@CheckmateSurvivor The only insanity and depravity in this story is parents shunning their children over religious dogma. And what kind of education I want for my child? How about "Don't be a bigotted loser who calls people insane and depraved for loving someone"?
@@CheckmateSurvivorProve there's something wrong with it then. Oh wait! You can't without appealing to raw homophobia or some old book that has no innate authority. Stay mad~
@@WaterCat5 I see. You feel brave enough to stand against God, but an absolute coward when it comes to rebel against Satan.
The irony of wanting to fire guidance counselors for not ratting kids out, but supporting laws that allow people to go to Confession -- confessing to sexually abusing children -- without the priest reporting it.
IT AIN'T ABOUT THE KIDS.
Good point!
Yeah. That was a real choice ruling by the Utah Supreme Court.
It was the Mormon leaders who fought tooth and nail for that ruling. And I promise their take on 'confession' is anything told to the elders. Not 'confession' in the way most people recognize it.
Also remember, Christian Scientists successfully legalized murdering children under the guise of 'religious medical exemption'.
Never has been. They dont even know love isnt conditional, so...
This is precisely the point. It's about power, not about children's safety or wellbeing. They lie to others and to themselves in some instances, but it's as plain as day to the rest of us.
It's about control. It always is with theocrats.
As a high school teacher, I live and work in a very very rural area (70% voted for Trump) but in a very very blue state (Oregon). I had a student named Jessica who introduced herself as Joey on day one. Fast forward nine weeks to the parent-teacher conferences, I was in my classroom and the student raced into the room wearing an unusual feminine outfit, and begged me in a terrified voice, "Please call me Jessica, refer to me as a girl." and a moment later started to talk about a homework assignment and asked if they could still turn it in..... the last happened while their parents entered the room. I didn't even have time to reassure the student that I would refer to them in any way they wanted. The terror and fear on her face was real. This school year I have multiple students who are in the same boat. Where I live the school board has been overtaken by a bunch of whackadoos. I hope everyone votes in local elections and votes for the people who don't vow to "clean up the schools," but rather those who wish to "find solutions, and improve education."
Thank you for all your efforts. All of us need to feel brave and speak out at these meetings against the anti-trans, anti-gay rhetoric as it comes up. A child has rights too and children are NOT the property of the parents and should feel free to consult others (friends, relations, counsellors in schools) with their problems. No one knows parents better than their children and the child KNOWS how his or her parent will react to this. It's basic self-preservation that is natural for all beings.
That student is being abused.
I also live in Oregon and have school age kids, fortunately in a blue county and urban area. I have the greatest admiration for all our kids' teachers, and appreciate your support for your students.
If the kids feel they can't talk to their parents about things and only talk to their teachers, it's a parent failure, not as kid or teacher failure.
The biggest concern I have with being a teacher is the bigotry of parents.
I live in NC. Our legislature passed a law to F*k over kids by forcing school staff to out their students if they want to use different names or pronouns. This does apply to all students, not just trans. However, this is obviously aimed at trans children. They are no longer able to use nicknames without parental permission. Even better was that the only reason this passed and was not vetoed is because one Democrat changed parties. I am assuming that the admin understands the dangers posed to some children. I'm guessing they are going to talk to the child to determine if there are dangers prior to notifying parents. If there will be I doubt they would notify parents, but they can also not use the preferred name/pronouns.
There's no hate like Christian love.
This is why I stopped believing Yahweh exists.
Your spewing hate! What makes you think it's OK for you and not someone else?
@@PAPicturesOfficial and even if he did ,why say ur most loving going and to burn most humans in history
@@roddycreswell8613
It’s not exactly hate. Read the Bible. Specifically Exodus 21. And get back to us how pointing out what they preach is unwarranted any form of hate.
@@Gokulosestoavirus Just stfu. You're only proving his point.
This dad is harming his daughter is ways he could never imagine. And therefore he cannot care. I feel so sorry for this girl.
Nothing is more important to him then his ethical values being groomed into his daughter.
She needs to sue and have him charged for abuse.
This is when reasonable people need to step in.
@@z.s.7992 deprogramming the parents will probably be unsuccessful
He is almost certainly abusing her psychologically
There's a reason she opened up to the counsellor and not her parents.
@@willjackson5885 Yes, that's why did bigotted AH of a father spoke in front of his equally as bigotted cultist friends. Her homosexuality isn't wrong. Your bigotry is, however.
@@willjackson5885 People will open up to those who they trust, especially when they arent tied to thier housing and needs
@@willjackson5885- Are you suggesting that the girl is in the wrong in some way? If so, what way?
You would know something about that.@@willjackson5885
@@NotGoodAtNamingThings He is suggesting nothing but rather flat out saying that being gay is wrong. Apparently it's the one line in the old testament that the bible-thumpers love to quote in order to justify their hatred while ignoring all the other awful things that book says. Such people are pathetic.
Just imagine living in a world where being an ethical, supportive, mental health worker makes you an enemy of the certain religious groups.
Oh wait....
Please don't use the word ethical as a tool for bullying Christians.
There is a lot wrong in this whole situation. A guidance councelor with my daughter's cell phone? No...
@@CheckmateSurvivorif using the word ethical to describe treating others decently regardless of harmless traits feels like bullying to the Christians... Well, sorry you feel that way, but frankly that sounds like a personal problem.
Comments like yours is why people crack on about how Christians always play the victim and have a weird persecution complex despite having more privileges than every other religious/belief group. Saying not being homophobic is ethical is not bullying Christians. The only people who would consider it bullying are people who want to be homophobic but don't want the social consequences of it. No one said anything about it back in the day, so now that it's widely known how ignorant those beliefs are and people are thankfully far less tolerant of intolerance, getting negative social consequences rather than a good or neutral one feels like bullying.
@@TheAwesomes2104 Christians are indeed the most persecuted religious group in the world. The world is preparing for the Globalist Government of Antichrist (2030). Please wake up.
@@CheckmateSurvivor .
I see you agree with, a Christian claiming persecution when they are stopped from persecuting others.
Just leave her alone. She just wants to love another person that just happens to be her same gender
@@willjackson5885 Consent is obviously implied here. Children, animnals, drunk people etc. can't consent. So it is indeed a great argument. You'd have to be daft or intentionally misunderstanding the point to draw any other conclusion.
@@willjackson5885 Whats wrong with this relationship?
@@willjackson5885Yes you could justify ANY loving relationship, though I'm curious
as to what you think needs the justifying.
@@willjackson5885 Useless drivel. You're trying to conflate homosexual relationships with relationship problems that have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. All those things happen in heterosexual relationships as well. We all know what you're trying to do here. It's not going to work, bigot.
@@willjackson5885 Imagine intentionally obfuscating the conversation like that with your opening comment and thinking you're somehow not wrong
My heart breaks for this girl. I’m 40 and spent over half my life in the closet because of these kinds of “Christian values”. Screw these parents. Seriously. This stuff makes me sick.
Better late than never.
@@HappyBuddhaBoyd true 😉
Since I am 100% straight and could not even be Gay .I know that that is just the way we were born. It is nature. I remember back in the 50's LGBTQ stayed hidden out of fear. Why would anybody choose to be shunned, bullied ,and murdered? It is rediculuos.
What is absolutely sad with all of this is, that your parents taught you (and her in the video) to detest your parents, maybe even quit every links to them that still existed until they go from this world. Don't misunderstand me, you are absolutely in the right to do so and such hypocrites deserve exactly what they have conjured up,
It is just sad, that you are even a victim of that and many children are forced to act in exactly the same way, which is a ... let's call it by name: An immature and hateful way. You say it, absolutely sickening! If you think about it, it's even worse. Grown up men (mostly men) controlling the sexuality of their minors and having a very creepy interest in everything around it, including the physical biology. Where is CPS when they are needed?
BTW: Kids can have lawyers. They are not that helpless and instead citizens with rights in front of the state. Religious nuts are wrong with their wet dreams of power over their "loved" ones. There are even organizations that help with that and provide legal advice, free of charge.
The parents and the counselor need to grow up some.
My eldest daughter and her best friend came out as lesbians in high school and told us they were more than just friends. Her partner's mother freaked out and called me in a panic. She did not appreciate that my only response was that we didn't have to worry about either of them getting pregnant. My daughter is now 42 and still living with the same partner she was with in high school.
I've never understood the gay panic. 🙄 I didn't understand it as a kid and I don't understand it as a 50 year old, either. Someone's sexuality is literally the least important thing about them (to other people 😅, obviously it's important on a personal level). We should be much more concerned whether someone is a good, kind person, has ethics, etc, instead of worrying about what consenting adults do in the bedroom 😮💨
Edited for typo (a month later, after I ran across this again 😂)
Wow Great they are still together!!!!!!!!💙💙💙💙💙
@@beardoodle9835 The only time I even need to know someone else's sexuality is if we are dating.
Anyone with a google handle like yours is going to be the soul of wisdom. it's a natural law.
That’s a fantastic response lmao
Tell us you love your religion more than your children without telling us you love your religion more than your children.
"Hey religion, why are you always wearing that mask?"
* lifts mask and reveals the real identity of "selfish & petty desires" *
@@willjackson5885 If god says a certain thing is evil........so what? That's just his opinion.
@@willjackson5885I bet the dad eats pork. Same punishment in the buybull.
@@willjackson5885- Which god? Do you mean Shiva? Or maybe Allah?
@@willjackson5885 If you bothered to actually read your book, you would know that god isn't always right. His opinion is just one among many.
You know what this really sounds like... A very scared dad trying to set a narrative before the real story gets out,,,, trying to protect himself..
Absolutely, in his world it is his job to make sure his kid doesn't turn out gay and go to hell, or whatever he thinks will come of it. It means he has failed his god and destroyed his child's life. Christian values place terrible burdens on people for things they have no control over. Sad for all involved.
@@willj1598Um... That's not what he's getting at...
@@willj1598 I have many questions, which the father seems intent on not having publicly known.
Among them, are whether it was needed to have CPS helping protect the daughter from them. Unsurprisingly, the father claims it was totally inappropriate. Without the other side of these stories, it's too easy to assume things that might not be true.
I could make assumptions that he is homophobic and abusive, but I have no evidence yet that he is.
While we might make some inferences, I think I need more substantial information to make good inferences.
@@nikm5628 That could be true, I could be missing it. I'm just speculating about what he might be feeling, based on my previous life as part of a high control Christian religion. As a father it would, and has, bothered me when someone had information about my child and kept it from me. On the other hand, if that disclosure could lead to mistreatment of the child that is obviously a problem. I know for sure I don't know the solution.
@@willj1598 I wish more people could just live with not having the answer :/
The parents are treating their daughter like a possession, not a person. Kids have a right to privacy and autonomy. Far too many parents strip those rights away in the name of "parental authority" and then wonder in ten years why their kids have gone no contact. And, don't get it twisted, the fact that the family has refused to sign a release is deliberate. They want to control the narrative, so they are hamstringing the district.
When you believe you have god in your side and you are fighting against Evil in God’s name, there are no limits!
Thats because the Bible tells them children are their property. Same with wives...
I've had conversations with many conservatives. They absolutely believe that their children are their possessions.
Honestly, I wish that publicly talking about a subject automatically made any need for a release irrelevant. Like that the instant you publicly spoke on a subject, all that would be needed is a recording of that public speaking (and I do mean public, so no private conversations) in place of a signature.
@@Rhaenarys Sounds like they're paying more attention to the Mosaic books than anything relating to Christ proper.
I work in a high school. A student was trans, born female, transitioning to male. We never had a conversation about transitioning. I treated him with kindness, like I treat most people, IRL. A year after graduation, he came in to visit and offer me a hug. 18+ adult, I’ll take a hug. He whispered “I had my top surgery. Thank you for treating me so kindly.”
I shared the above anecdote on social media, and there was a flurry of responses of “groomer”, “pedo”, etc. and people critical of me ‘supporting mutilation of our children’. As if I was supposed to adopt their transphobic stance, and somehow intervene.
The guidance counselor may have crossed a line, but the parents are not good people. If I know a student is being mistreated, I have an obligation to report it, but suggesting they live in my house? That’s not kosher either.
Yeah. Supporting a student is the right thing to do. But boundaries are key when you’re in a professional role.
If she doesn't feel she can come out to you there's something wrong with you.
My daughter is only 9, but if in a few years she finds out she likes girls and doesn't feel like it's safe to talk to me about it, I'm an utter failure of a parent.
@@FinckelsteinI assume you have a fridge right?
Buy a pride magnet that's like 5 bucks and the kid can SEE you support them if they are lgbt. The internet makes coming out even more scary seeing what can happen almost unexpectedly.
@@cryochick9044 - Sure, but even better, express that support in words as the kid grows up, so they hear it unambiguously from you that you support all loving relationships. I'm not against the fridge magnet idea. I'm just saying that's only a start.
@@NotGoodAtNamingThings sometimes it's hard to express support in words without sitting down and having a conversation, just saying "we love you no matter what" isn't enough. I know people whose parents told them that and even included saying gay, kid came out as trans and the parents turned abusive.
Having pride in their view is a nonverbal way that requires no conversation and helps. It's why I have pride in my bios, it shows support for people who need it. That is what pride is for
@@cryochick9044 - My kids saw my support and love of my gay cousin, and yes, I sat down and had conversations with them. About this topic and many others.
You're right, some people are liars and hypocrites. Thus, I made sure my kids saw a lot of evidence, in both words and action, that I was an ally should they be LGBT+.
Parenting is difficult. Parents have to put in the effort.
If you can't handle being lied to, don't become a parent. Full stop.
All kids lie at least once. My kid is no exception. But it's been over dumb stuff. Never over anything big. We need to make sure our kids know they can come to us with anything at any time and we will help.
This year, my kid was doing a side gig in college. The person kept putting off paying her and said she would give her the money the next week. Daughter believed it, and ran up an $800 bill on my CC for stuff like groceries and gas. The lady never paid her. Daughter was ashamed, but was able to come to us and even offered a solution.
We paid the money, asked her to quit the non paying job and deferred her paying is back to some nebulous time in the future vs selling her plasma 2x a week.
If she hadn't trusted us, she would have hid this.
How does a teenager handle being lied to by their 'all powerful' parents?
@@HappyBuddhaBoyd - They shouldn't have to. Granted, we are not perfect, but most parents try to be honest with kids. Maybe even these people. Nobody ever said honesty equates with being right.
@@christines2787Why in the world would a child hide something like that, that was absolutely no fault of theirs???
@@nicolab2075 - Shame. She was 20. She was feeling pretty stupid. She thought she should have known better. And maybe she should have but I don't know that I wouldn't have done that at her age.
Honestly the bigger mistake would have been selling her plasma. The red cross let's you donate that every 2 months, but they have you sell it 2x a week. She made a mistake, and she wanted to rectify it, which is normally the way to go. Just not this time in this way.
Even if I could swallow the lies and the bad logic, I just don't have enough hate in my heart to be a Christian.
Imagine being so full of hate that you do this to your own daughter.
Non-hateful Christians exist. Just, at the moment they seem to be outnumbered by the hateful ones.
I used to have deeply Christian neighbors who accepted and loved and supported their kids in every way that matters. They believed in the message of love, not the message of hate we're seeing so much of.
The real problem is that the hateful Christians are a lot louder than the others.
@@NotGoodAtNamingThingsthe problem is that the "good ones" refuse to call out the bad ones.
It's the same problem that results in ACAB.
@@EricWeimer-ib4qs - I agree that good Christians are too quiet, and that non-malevolent cops will still lie to protect the obviously bad ones.
@@NotGoodAtNamingThings "at the moment"??? Never in the entire history of Christianity, has there ever been more than 1% that could be described as decent and moral.
@@HappyBuddhaBoyd - Yes, but Christians are no worse than any other group in that respect. Religion of all kinds tends to bring out the worst in people
My bother and SIL went to church every Sunday. I wouldn't call them religious more likely faithful. They love their kids and grandkids. About ten years ago at Thanksgiving her granddaughter was asked why she's never brought someone to dinner. She blushed and stammered about not having anyone to bring. My SIL looked at her said BS what about Millie. When her granddaughter looked up at her she told her what you didn't think we knew. She got up and gave her grandma the biggest hug I've ever seen. My point is her family was accepting but because of the area we live she was still scared about coming out. She's lucky for her family but unfortunately too many times it goes horribly wrong.
After weeding through all the Evangelical nonsense, this dad's root argument is that this Counselor not only turned his kid into a lesbian, but had a liberal agenda to do exactly that.
These zealots are insufferable. 👍😳👍
Well, he certainly couldn't take any responsibility for his own genetic offspring's sexuall identification -- after all, he's a "God fearin' Christian". Bite me.
I bet 100% he loses her. She will walk away from him forever.
It depends on a lot of things, but we can hope that she still has enough common sense and independence to walk away from them the moment she turns 18. Some don't, they end up self-loathing and in violent/abusive relationships with other people in the cult.
That happened to me, I was lucky to get out of that marriage alive
He lost her a long time ago; when she learned she couldn't trust him.
He already has. It's just a matter of time until she can do it physically, but mentally and emotionally, she's most likely already gone.
if she's not a total idiot, she will sue the crap out of them when she turns 18, and then never again acknowledge their existence.
I don’t believe the counselor wrote that text message. That sounds much more like how the father imagines a text message from the counselor would be.
yea, exactly what I was thinking
There's definitely something suss
When little kids tell a story, it's like "and there was a bear with a ninja sword. And a jetpack!." Anyway, that's the vibe I get from the text messages
I'm with you. Counselors and teachers, well decent people generally, do NOT suggest false accusations to CPS or any of the other weird suggestions in that text. That was composed by the dad or by the daughter at his behest. That girl wants her mother and father to love her and thinks this will help but she is making an understandable mistake. Right wing "men" like this dad think they are tough and clever because they can manipulate and control children FFS.
Which might be why the parents aren't allowing the school to respond, because if they did they would likely have a whole other stack of receipts ready to deliver to the public which would possibly show that the parents are lying.
7:18 - You don't understand, some parents feel that their children are their property and have a right to their children's everything. This is the driving force behind Florida's Don't say gay bill and their parental rights laws that says that councillors have to divulge this kind of thing to the parents under penalty of losing their jobs.
The "I brang you into this world, so I can take you out of it." attitude is strong with the highly religious types. They don't see their children as "people" for most of their lives.
@13shadowwolf It's almost like devoting your entire life to an angry, jealous, violent, possessive deity can rub off.
Exactly. Their children are just an extension of themselves, not an actual individual person in their own right.
It's pathetic. You feel bad for the kids because they are trapped for however many years before they have any chance to escape.
They don’t know or won’t accept that there is a UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
this is it. You hear about parental rights, but youll never hear them advocate for childrens rights, because they dont consider their children to have rights.
Evangelical parents view their kids as property, as an investment, which they expect will pay off someday, when their kid grows up to carry on their family name/beliefs/profession. Their children serve only as a means of validating their own egos, giving them a sense of authority (which is generally missing from their lives, as they are mostly followers by nature), further propagating their belief system, and eventually, acting as an unpaid live-in nurse and caretaker when they get too old.
to a devout evangelical, their offspring is only valued by what they can do to serve the parent.
I wouldn't trust anything the Christian dad asserted. They tend to lie to win sympathy or martyr points
The parents and the church failed to be a reliable and trustable go-to source for advice for the kid so she went to the guidance counselor.
The whole "lie for Jesus" thing doesn't help.
@@atorsionx9406 Well, yes, it doesn't, but enough Christians do it that those of us who've been lied to tend to find the main point of Christianity is that Jesus will forgive them for sinning and we're bad people if we don't.
every christian is a liar. They are trained to lie from the very beginning.
“Brad Briscoe” sounds like a Gay pornstar name.
I hope that his daughter makes it out of her family as intact and safe as is possible. If only all these bigoted people could figure out how easy it is to accept people for who they are.
I doubt that will ever happen.
Sounds?
You know the projection is hardcore.
Ah naw, he's Team Straight™️. He ain't one of us. We don't want him 🙅♂️🚫⛔️❎️
My daughter, who is a member of the LDS Church. She chose it at 11, not me. She was told in Sunday school that masturbation was a sin and if you do it you need to set an appointment with this man. I told her absolutely not! I don't believe a word coming out of this so-called Christian man.
I just hope you're honest with your child about the amount of blatant falsehoods the LDS preach and how abusive they are as a whole. It seems irresponsible to let a child "choose" to join a high control group(bordering on cult) such as the LDS, as they almost certainly do not have a full understanding of the context through which the church began, and the fact that it, like most other religions is almost certainly false.
I think I'm gonna be sick in thinking where that might lead 🤢 what is WRONG with adults who fetishize children?!
Why would she choose it at 11?
I’m exlds
Please help your daughter do some research into outside sources on the church!
It is a sexist, racist, and homophobic organization.
I was taught from 12 on that if I did not dress modestly, I was “walking pornography” and that if boys saw me and thought “impure thoughts” that it was MY fault, not theirs.
Not to mention all of the horrible things in church history that is hidden from the members. Like the fact that Joseph Smith married multiple women and girls, some as young as 14!
I know on he surface it doesn’t look too bad, and the members are usually incredibly kind and welcoming people, the organization and doctrine is hiding a LOT of skeletons in its closets and can do a LOT of damage to people.
@@tc-tm1my the LDS church is always looking for opportunities to get converts, so I’d guess that one of her friends has been preaching about their faith to her
My heart breaks for this girl.
If they parents really think they are 100% in the right, why haven't they signed the release form to permit the school to give its side of the story?
Muskian free speech absolutists?
A thousand times this. They'll probably write (or have it ghostwritten) a book about it too. Good ol' fashioned Christian grift.
My friend told his father he was bi, back in 2005ish I think.
His dad was so angry he actually fired a gun in the house twice. He didn't shoot anyone, but he was firing a gun because he was that angry
Councilors are there for the Children, NOT the Parents.
That’s exactly what I was going to say - any teacher or staff member signs an oath, which is upheld by states laws, to protect the children first, above anyone else, no matter who they are. When I worked in an afterschool program, I had to report a mother of a child who disclosed abuse and neglect to me. The mother was furious with me, but my responsibility to the child. Period.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school I used to work in mental health, at an education program for kids that couldn't function in any other public schools. I can't remember the number of times some kids came to us with major mental health issues; after being taken from their highly religious parents. We had to go on lockdown many times, because an irate parent showed up demanding we give them their child.
I grew up in very rural Alaska, in the 80's and 90's; alcohol and religion everywhere, often literally conjoined buildings, because there were no building codes back when most people started throwing up houses. So, preachers that owned a bar were common; some of the buildings in Alaska are 3 or 4 different homes, that got built together over time.
You'd be amazed at the number of former school buses, that became homes in my hometown. I used to drive a school bus, and picked up children from bus-houses; where several school busses had been turned into a post-apocalypse looking house.
Implied violence IS violence
The best school counselor i ever had was a lesbian hippie. This woman genuinely cared about us , she helped me alot as well as many many other students. Everyone knew that as flakey as she seemed ,she could be trusted and never ever judged even when we knew we deserved it. She even got guardianship over a kid because his family was trash and he wanted to learn and go to school, so she took him in so he could have every opportunity to learn in a supportive environment. She was amazing and still think lovingly of her all these yrs later.
Im so sick of all the conflict caused by people who believe in invisible gods!!! Evolve people!
I am pretty much convinced by neuroscientists research that this kind of fear based fairy tale belief is the result of an unfortunate twist in the amygdala. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8228195/#:~:text=The%20amygdala%20participates%20in%20the,of%20the%20fight%2Dor%2Dflight
They'll just be dumb monkeys forever while we become machine gods.
This has come to Canada as well. It became law in the Province of Saskatchewan that the school HAS to tell the parents everything re gender/sexual orientation - the private stuff.
I also know people who will IGNORE the law because they know and love these kids. If a law is loathsome, it's a civic duty to misbehave. End of story.
But the entire point of it is to force kids into shame and silence, so the parents never have to know that their kid is LGBT+.
The teenagers who would be able to see a counselor now cannot be certain that anything is confidential, and that's the whole point of the right-wing, to punish them into invisibility.
ALWAYS violate laws that violate HUMAN RIGHTS!
I think it’s pretty clear that the law in Saskatchewan will be universally ignored. If it gets tested it will be a dumpster fire. Clinical counsellors have professional ethics guidelines, and they’re damned clear on what counsellors can share regarding minors. And it ALWAYS comes down on ‘the best interests of the child’. We also have the concept of a ‘medically mature minor’, which supports kid’s rights to make health decisions for themselves. If a teenager can get an abortion without their parents permission, they can choose their own pronouns.
@@karenneill9109 Wonderful reply - that's my hope too, that good people will put the welfare of children over these draconian laws.
Or the kids will realize it's just a spy network for the parents and hide everything.
Sure seems like the parents are happy to fight a PR war while the Superintendent can't respond. They are showing their colors with that alone. They are certainly not looking out for their daughter in all of this.
The "text" from the "counselor" looks as phony as a $3 bill. I just retired as a teacher. I have never heard any counselor speak or text lke that, and to leave a text history of that kind of information would be suicidal for your career. I have no faith in the veracity of the father.
Yeah, making fake texts is absolutely trivial.
My overly religious parents told every new teacher or counselor at school I had they wanted to always be informed of or my behavior at school. I believe even to the point of saying they wanted to be informed if I talked to boys(lunacy).I'm not gay but loving someone (whoever they are) is a natural part of life and trying to stop it is just terrible and ass backwards to me.I hate religion and how it is so destructive to anyone forced to be a part of it. This poor girl won't be free of this mess till she's old enough to leave home and those years are so important for her future and current development. I hope she gets out and finds the love of her life whoever they are. This stuff is so damaging.
It sounds like the parents want to try the case in the court of public opinion. And they don't want the other side to even be able to present their case.
One of my friends growing up was the local Baptist pastor's son. He got into drugs in high school and got arrested for some petty crime.. and his dad had him shipped off to juvie upstate. I never saw him again. He just stopped showing up in the family photos that came in the mail every year. That's what my Christian community did to help kids in trouble.
That's shunning, or "disfellowshipping." Priests, rabbis and the like have been doing that for centuries, mainly where they don't have the power to order capital punishment. The extreme version is to ban the believers from marrying the target's children or descendants, to snuff out dissenting views.
Did you ever find out what happened to him?
@@susanatkinson3978 No, but I heard later from someone that he was doing OK.
There is no hate like Christian love.
Those parents are definitely going to wonder why she's not coming over for Thanksgiving anymore.
The sad thing is they'll probably know exactly why, but they just won't care, because they're terrible humans who choose the rantings of a hate preacher who appointed themselves as spokesperson for God (blasphemy) over their own child.
If you're being attacked by a normal person, you can defend yourself and have a discussion, because reality is a common ground. If you're being attacked by a Christian, you have about the same chance to defend yourself as an accused in a witch trial, because you can't use reality as an argument.
If you're attacked by your parent, it's heartbreaking.
And THAT'S one more big fat reason why I hate organized religion, especially Christianity...
@@Spock_Rogers Your parents are your first and last enemy.
At this point in Humanity's development if you haven't realized that yet you really need some help.
Why won't the parents let the school give its side?
Because they're lying. Probably about anywhere between 99.99-100% of it. We all know it.
Am I jumping to conclusions? No. I'm going on literal decades of precedence.
Why else would the parents keep the school from giving their side? I have my doubts the texts are even real.
every christian lies. they are trained to lie from the beginning.
I've made mistakes as a parent, all parents have. However, one of my proudest moments was when my daughter felt safe enough to come out to me at 17. I must have done at least one thing right.
You're a fantastic parent then.
Take mine for example, they threw me down the stairs and called me slurs. They deny doing this to this day, but my therapists are still drilling through years of calloused abuse, and internalized trans/homophobia.
Keep on keeping on. And accept whatever comes with open arms. Remember, you're in this now too because you have a duty to protect them.
You know what this sounds like? This sounds like the parents did some bad stuff that's gonna get them in trouble, and they want to get out in front of it and twist the story. Deflect from their own bad behavior and focus attention on those who are trying to help the victim. If it takes a few lies about what the counselor (and others) did, then they lie. I wouldn't trust the parent's story, especially when it seems a bit ... unusual.
I'm going to go out on a limb that the "counsellor" in those texts is almost certainly the dad.
I feel so bad for the young girl in all of this, she must be extremely conflicted right now. I can’t imagine how insulated her life will become after all of this. Not to mention the “more objective” religious counseling she’s now going to be subjected to, which will treat her perfectly natural feelings as some sort of demonic possession or trick by the devil.
On a professional level, I don’t condone the counselor’s messages; but I also can understand how desperate she must’ve been to get the girl out of that situation.
I'm wishing I had more detailed information on what actually happened. Most of what we are getting is one side of the story. And while I don't trust the father's account to be accurate, I also don't want to jump to conclusions without evidence. It is definitely concerning that the father is willing to be public about the issue, and yet they are declining to allow the school to publicly address what happened. Major red flag for the Father's credibility.
I also feel bad for the girl, but I acknowledge the possibility that the councilor was in the wrong about substantial things. I have few doubts that the father was also similarly wrong, but before casting accusations, I'd rather have more evidence.
Yeah but look at the message the councilor sent this way:
That screen shot the father took was the -worst- of the messages. If even half of the things he claimed were true, especially in the messages, he would have plastered them everywhere to support his claim.
It's just a very tiny step from 'millstone offense' to honor killing. The Taliban didn't just rise up over night. They went from "you might want to wear a burka" to "You should wear a burka" to "You WILL wear a burka".
If your child lies to you and does not trust to tell you anything. Then yeah you're a failure of a parent.
Poor child with a pathetic father. The counselor was only doing their job including helping the child accept herself as she is.
I watch RuPaul's Drag Race. Creativity off the charts. Hearing the stories of some of the more effeminate males who live in more backwards states has made me a far better human. The cruelty of adult humans toward little children tells us all we need to know about the mindsets of these people. Their fears of LGBTQ are ABUSIVE towards CHILDREN. THEIR OWN CHILDREN. I didn't give a rip about my son's sexuality, that was his business. I was far more terrified of guns, drugs and drunk drivers aiming for him. REAL things parents worry about. As long as he is treated with respect he could marry a buffalo if it made him happy but that buffalo better be good to him.
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Glad your child has you.❤
The central problem, is the attitude of
"I brang you into this world, so I can take you out of it!" is very common among religious people. This is because for centuries, Christianity has taught that children are property of the parents "...spare the rod..."; they are still stuck with Feudalism era thought patterns on how to deal with crime and punishment, and apply the same thinking to their children.
It's Staggering to actually sit down and compare the "love" that Christianity claims to be based in, to the Reality of how many of them view their own children as property.
The "Not in MY house!" is literally a flat rejection of an Individual, this indicates to the child that their parents attitudes about who they are supposed to be, is more important than who the child actually IS.
The parents are literally trying to brainwash their child through emotional abuse, all because their ancient Mythological Beliefs are their "moral guide"
Christian "love"...
They can't prove God exists.
But we can prove that they're biggoyry exists.
Briscoe's biggest problem is that his daughter being gay is a bad reflection on him and his beliefs. He knows all his holy roller friends will be judging him as a parent. So, what this comes down to is that it's far more important for him to keep up appearances than to deal with the reality of his gay daughter. Because his ego is more important than his daughter, the remedy is to find someone else to blame. This course of action is headed in a direction to do more harm than good especially to the daughter and any other gay students who may need someone they can confide in because they know their parents are the same as the Briscoe's.
Ensuring that once the daughter is 18 she'll never go anywhere near a church again.
Or her parents
Those parents are never going to see her again when she turns 18, and when they’re old and senile she’s going to throw them in a home to rot
I hear the Overpass Arms is nice. The Rt 10 one ine CA even had the heat turned up too high last week.
@@EricWeimer-ib4qs Going to send mine to the worst places I can find in the middle of nowhere.
They can go be bigoted "Liberals" in the boonies with all the idiot Conservatives they agree with.
Christian love, everybody 😊
There's no hate like Christian love.
Christian hypocrisy!!
Nobody needs that "love".
Queer 100 sexualities 100 genders 100 marriage opportunities + more love is infinitely worse.
@@binghamguevara6814 how?
This guarantees your kid abandons you at 18
A friend of mine came out to her sister first year of college, and that sister told the parents. My friend was disowned because of her mother's fear and religion. It took her mother a full year, but she came around and asked her daughter for forgiveness. The mother disowned her in hopes that God would save her daughter, but in the end she realized it was too much pain refusing to accept her daughter and she felt God wouldn't punish her like that. My friend now gets the full support of her family and wife without having to separate the two lives anymore. I wish more stories could be like Jen's compared to this lady's experience...jeez I mean where is the love?
Was there anything in the Bible about disowning children to "discipline" them for being different? Because I'm pretty sure it ain't.
@@Echo81Rumple83 I definitely don't remember seeing it in the bible... if it was I bet it was only in the children's edition XD
I do remember my crazy church making the point that to hurt/judge other people or disobey your parents was as bad as doing the same to God or Jesus...but I never understood how they hold that belief while terrorizing people for expressing individuality...that's why they're crazy haha
@@Echo81Rumple83 In my eyes....Gods a hippie and just wants peace and love for everyone haha
The counselor did nothing wrong. I feel sorry for the girl. The parents should think about why their daughter trusted the counselor more than them.
If the counselor did indeed tell the girl to make up fake incidents for CPS, that's way over the line. Two wrongs don't make a right. That's if it really happened that way.
@@lizd2943That's assuming that some of those things which were supposedly said were even true in the first place however having somebody who has been a client of yours living in your basement or in your house is also definitely something which is extremely unprofessional/not appropriate as well.
@@garynaccarato4606 Yeah, and the texts look like they’re fakes to me
@@lizd2943 The problem is that you don't know the level of abuse that might be going on in that home.
Which is why you have to be careful about not making false claims.@@susanelizabeth2222
Counselors dealing with teenagers can only address what the teens tell them. It’s wrong to out a kid, because some teens try on new personalities like clothes, exaggerate, or even out right lie about themselves or their families. Making it dangerous to tell their stories to the parents. A counselors office should be a safe place to explore parts of themselves without judgement.
@@FirstnameLastnames I didn’t mean to Imply that all teens lie or pretend to be gay or trans falsely. I only meant to say that teens deserve a place to safely express & explore new budding feelings, without judgement and without facing severe consequences, like being shunned or kicked out of their homes.
It sometimes takes a long time for teens to get to know and understand themselves. If they do have same-sex attractions, they should have the right to decide whether to act on these feelings or not and whether to tell their parents or not, especially about newly emerging or shifting feelings they aren’t certain about.
Upon reflection in a safe environment, many teens decide that their parent’s approval is far more important to them than their feelings and that is ok too, especially while still being dependent. Especially when they fear rejection. Forcing schools to out kids carries a high risk of increasing child abuse or abandonment rates.
But also, teens sometimes just lie, maybe to get a reaction from a teacher or counselor, or maybe because they are young & stupid. Or perhaps I’m projecting because I have a teen who does this. I wouldn’t want her, or kids like her, to have to face drastic consequences for some of the stupid little lies has told only to shock or show off or to dramatize a situation. She’s still just figuring herself out.
I’m hoping she grows up to be an actress.
@@LOwens-xf8yo "I didn’t mean to Imply that all teens lie or pretend to be gay or trans falsely."
I'm a 46 year old gay man who came out when he was 20. I think it's entirely reasonable to assert that teenagers are still working things out and most are far more open-minded than teens were when I was that age. I think it's natural for teens to go through phases as they're trying to work out their place in the world, the communities they are a part of, and who they might want to be. That doesn't diminish the value of anyone.
@@ct5625 Thank you
Are we about to find out the dad is having a relationship with a teenage boy?
And that the mom is filming it?
Mike Johnson Porn Accountability App no doubt.
He's homophobic enough...
No, it's worse... Somebody needs to have a long talk with his daughter
The poor kid…
I'm not a parent myself and I don't see myself ever becoming one. That being said, if I did have a child and they felt they had to go behind my back to talk to someone about being gay out of fear of my response, I know I'd feel like a failure as a parent, that I didn't foster an environment of trust and understanding. Of course, that's evangelical Christianity in a nutshell. No trust, no understanding, just fear, hate, and religious zealotry.
Of course they have gagged them from saying anything: So they can just spew every lie they want to and they can't refute it. They are not interested in that going to a court or something, they just want public opinion the their side.
Where is .. I'd be happy my daughter's met someone.
The one reasonable thing to do is meet the girlfriend and make sure that the relationship isn't abusive and that both lovers respect each other.
@@RebeccaOreChristians aren’t supposed to have girlfriends and boyfriends anyway. No sex or kissing before marriage.
"Christian" dad...will he care if she becomes suicidal because he doesn't love and accept her as she is? Probably not...and she she is at risk for further abuse.
The counselors statement is weird. I have trouble believing that a counselor would call names on others who are gay. I don't buy the texts as being truthful.
I live in Lexington, KY and when I heard this story and where it took place I almost passed out laughing about discrimination against Christians ✝️ in Anderson county. If I don't stop rolling my eyes, they're going to get stuck and I won't be able to leave my house
I question whether those texts are legitimately those of the counselor. That may be why the parents have not signed the release form. If they cooked them up as a false flag, then they want her convicted in the court of public opinion. What they would not want is for the Discovery Phase to reveal that the texts were fabricated. And presenting false evidence would get them into serious legal trouble.
From my perspective, the texts were written fairly strange. Who in reality truly talks like that? Only someone fabricating fake evidence. 😅
If they have lied then the people they are lying about can sue them for defamation. This would also allow the public to get both sides and reveal if these parents are frauds using their kid for a religious extremist agenda.
This poor kid will most likely go no contact with her parents as soon as she can move out.
by gagging her, only their side of the story will be told, that's what they want. They wouldn't want anyone with common sense to be able to speak on the subject.
As a former teacher, when kids find themselves in abusive homes that can lead to suicide like this one is it’s not at all uncommon for guidance counselors to explain the process of emancipation. It’s a real option, but it’s mostly brought up as a “you don’t have to die to escape your home because there are other ways out.”
These texts are totally sus. I doubt that is from the counselor.
The reason the Bristows aren't signing a release is they don't want any other story out there but theirs. They'll say they want to protect their child, but that ship sailed the moment daddy made it public. The Bristows have the advantage here and they aren't giving it up.
Man the only way I can see a counsellor talking about the daughter getting emancipated is as a suggestion if she the daughter thinks its neccessary, "If you fear for your safety you might need to leave and I can if needed offer you a place to stay", or if counsellor was told abuse was occurring.
Just cause while that shown text is a level of unprofessional personal that shouldnt be done an unprompted suggestion like that would be getting fired tier for sure, which would be such a slam dunk win for father that yeah I'd say almost certainly misrepresenting it and doesnt want school to reveal more since it would make him secure loser to reveal more context of it all being a "if neccessary like if abuse is happening do this".
Even at the middle school level, we have kids who are scared of their parents. It's a mess.
Love it how the claim to be silenced everywhere they go, while YELLING to the 4 winds what ever they want. I really hope they do sue the school or something, and that the content were able to become public record. That way we will all know.
Counselor should be more professional but I'm glad they fully supported the kid even at risk of their job.
I've a relative in Canada who is a family doctor and a conservative Christian. He is very upset that Canada has a law that for kids over 16 any and all conversations either with a school teacher/counsellor or a medical professional are strictly confidential.
He strongly feels that until age18 (majority age in Canada) all information on kids must be by law shared with the parents or legal guardian.
Very silly thinking
@@rainkidwell2467 Its going to be an election issue in the next federal election as the federal conservative party has seized on this issue as one of its platform points.
@@epincion so very gross
So he's pro-abuse...
And that's how you get dead and horrifically abused kids, no
Friendly Atheist, Hemant, damn I hope they don't send their daughter to one of those awful christian camps. Or counselors! 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
I doubt the father wants the school district’s point of view to be made known. I’ll be shocked if they give permission.
Ok real parent here that's been through the teenage falling in love years. If anyone has any been thru it n here to tell you it's a nightmare. It is your child stepping away from family controls. The sex of the other person doesn't matter kids do the same things. They become defiant n mouthy, grades drop, they will argue with parents at the drop of the hat. What I am trying to say is these parents blaming the school, done abstract notion of right n wrong grandiose god stuff it all comes down with the parents ability to deal with their kids maturing. They want total control of everybody they come in contact with. This is really a parents inability to to face reality head on.
The school authorities may have to keep all information about this incident under wraps, no matter what. This principle protects students, family and staff.
I think they should consider suing the parent for defamation. If these parents are making false accusations about the principle, teachers and the counselor, there is grounds to sue them in civil court. That will at least allow them to get information out in the public and put an end to this Salem Witch Hunt lunacy.
I wonder why my daughter hasn't spoken to me in 30 years... poor girls. There's no hate like Christian love. Disgusting father. The reason they don't want the other side of the story out, it's simple, it will show how abusive the father is, or how he probably sent his daughter to conversation therapy. You can't have the pesky truth coming out and destroying the oh look how oppressed we are as Christians! They are out to get us! Leaving the Southern Baptist church was the best thing I ever did. Having gone to one in south Kentucky I can tell you, it's nothing but hate preaching and fear mongering.
I hope that little girl finds out that there is another community out there that will embrace and accept her.
It's a shame that he put his faith in front of his love for his daughter, one day he will realize he was wrong.
"Brad Briscoe claims" A right wing hatefull Christian claims that the "Evil" Guidance Counselor is did this.......
Yeah, I will need more than that. And the bit where the GC said that daughter could live in his/her basement, well its not the first time Christian parents have thrown out a child because he/she/they where different.
I'm not sure if someone said something similar but, my opinion is that the parents won't let the superintendent release her side/findings cause it'll burn everything the parents build down.
Maybe if the parents were in accepting bigots, they wouldn’t have been confiding in the councilor but to the parents themselves.
It blows my mind how hateful and judge mental some so called “Christians” can be.
Sounds like the abuse at home may have been deeper than reported.
I was a HS school teacher for 22 years. I worked with counselors on a number of issues. The default assumption is that all parents are abusive. But this is not the fault of the counselors. Its a result of lawsuits, lack of administrative support and meddlesome school boards members who are often only there till their kid graduates. The result is that many things that should include parental involvement from the outset don't. Now the GOP & evangelicals demagogue these issues to promote their agendas. Issues that they are, in my opinion, largely responsible for creating.
I feel for the student in this case. She does have rights and counselors should protect them. She may have been "punished" for lying but the reasons for that were underscored by her father's proclomation's while giving his speech. She lied because she would be shamed and she was. I can imagine how mortified she feels. Students have a right to know what their options are which include community support groups, LGBTQUIA resources, and information on emancipation if they continue to feel suppressed or shamed. It sounds like the student was looking for a way out.
Fast forward a couple years. "Why are our children not talking to us anymore?"
Guarantee that the parents went through the phone without the teenager’s permission. I feel sorry for that girl.
And in ten years her parents will wonder why she dosent talk to them anymore.
I feel like Brad is lying while saying things that never happened.
There's no hate like Christian love. Disgusting
At least the Jews have never pretended to love or value human life.
I’ll bet you those texts from the counselor are fake and the dad made all that shit up between the counselor and his daughter. He’s just looking for Christian clout.
Why cant the school counter sue so they can put forward their side of the story?
It seems to me the father just thinks he is balancing the evil but his method is not a winning one. I mean… if he thought he was endearing himself to his daughter I think history is going to prove him wrong.