Sinclair C5 resto mod part 3 - Gubbins arrive **With added Spectrum 48k!!**
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2021
- My Sinclair C5, gutted since the '80s, has a had a box of goodies arrive, we have gubbins and wires to make it work, and get to drive a C5...virtually. And my Sinclair spectrum is back for a cameo!
See the spectrum's refurb on Jays Vintage Junk: • Spectrum 48K Refurb Pt1
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Drag race between the C5 and TWC once completed! Battle of the 3 wheelers! 😀
Can I join in once I've finished the 1000cc Reliant Regal 🤣
Cut up your old inner tubes and use it as a spacer. I'd go with drive belts instead of chains. And that grip wont work, itll kill your wrist. Try find a thumb throttle from a quad. Id fit a kill switch to the seat so if you fall out it wont run away without you. Theres a gear calculator on line 5o help you with pulley size from your motor rpm/wheel speed/ weight so you can work out it's best chance
Imagine falling out of the C5 in motion and looking up to see it f**king off up the road and disappearing off the horizon.
Bloody hell! It's 5am and I'm trying to get to sleep.. now I've got to watch this video! 😆
Ditto 💤
And me
Yeaah!
You could do a lot worse than see if Tom Stanton wanted to do a collaboration video. He is always making stuff like this. Electric bikes quad copters. His fabrication ability is spot on and he already does collaboration videos with others and I would imagine this would appeal to him.
"I crashed a couple of times and then went under a car..." I fell off my chair and had the full tea sinus wash at that one...
That definitely sounds like life for a lot of C5 drivers in the mid '80s...
Excellent little project Matt. When we were young Dad used to build trolleys for my brother and me. Sir Clive would have approved.
Great series on the C5 , I once drove a tatty one in about 89 when I was 14. Always fancied restoring one. Best wishes
Thanks Matt for setting up the Sinclair spectrum brought back many happy childhood memories . Thanks also for the link to Jays vintage junk. My weekend is sorted will be delving in the loft seeing if I can find my old SS and setting it up. Who needs Candy crush when you have got loads of retro additive games to play.
12:01 I didn't realize that! Thank you for explaining :)
Also, maybe wrap the motor in rubber so that it can enlarge the diameter to fit more snug into the motor mount area, while also dampening shock because of the rubber.
Was thinking the same thing! Some self-sticking rubbery stuff that's commonly used for mounting stuff to bike handlebars.
I do love the combination of iPod and Spectrum, brilliant
I was just thinking how life-like that C5 Spectrum game was (in regards to crashing and going under a car) when you said exactly what I was thinking! Wish I could bring my Commodore Vic 20 back to life. Good to see the C5 project progressing. Looking forward to seeing your first (and hopefully not your last!) drive 🤣
My two favorite things - Retro computing and Car modifications - in one video - Matt you're spoiling us !
Those old capacitors go bang in an interesting way.... loads of white smoke and a bad stink! ZX Spectrum looks amazing though. Lovely to see it working. Get some JetPac and Manic-Miner on there!
Just a thought work regards to the steering rod. What you need is one of the ball joints to have a left hand thread, so when you adjust the bar, it either pushes both ends out or pulls both in. It's the same principle as a double ended tie rod on car steering, enabling the length of the bar to be adjusted without removing one end of the bar.
Another gem Matt, re the "original" keyboard its a bit like Trigger and his "original" road sweeping broom! btw Sir Clive's nephew has bought out an updated version of your C5. Its called The Iris and uses an 8-speed derailleur transmission and there's a 250W hub motor laced into the rear wheel. The trike carries a big 960Wh battery claiming about 30 miles.
Hi Matt, another brilliant video,I used to own a ZX Sinclair Spectrum,with the box on the back and had a few games,brings back the days lol.the C5 is getting there with the new bits bought.fingers crossed it will be working from a battery.
You could remove some material form the motor clamping faces (near the bolt) to allow it to clamp a smaller diameter than before - albeit slightly out of round. Also if you google spares for electric scooters you will likely get a chain and possibly a sprocket that you can add to the rear axle. As for the speed control labels, lol, google the controller model and probably you'll find some further details about the connectors. All the best
Another lunchtime viewing sorted, excellent look forward to this
Awesome video love the retro gaming!Spectrum's are great computers, I have an Amstrad CPC 464 myself and they rock!
While examining vintage microcars at the Lane Museum in Nashville, several thoughts came to mind, such as, “How tiny,” “How simple,” “How fascinating,” and “What a miserable way to travel.” All apply to the C5, in my view, but what a cool project! I look forward to seeing it scuttle about under its own power. Also, I didn’t miss the common thread linking the chassis of your Delorean model and the frame of the Sinclair. Lotus! Thanks for yet another good’n.
That was a lovely update, loved the spectrum and the C5, can't wait to see how the rest of the build continues, but it looks like it'll be fastest C5 in the South East once you've finished.
My younger brothers and I wasted untold weeks of our lives in the early 80's playing "Daley Thompson's Decathlon" on the ZX82! Happy days!
Best way to wake up in the morning is to watch furious driving of a C5
It's getting there! One of the steering rod ends needs to be a left hand thread, which means cutting threads on a piece of plain steel rod. That way, when you rotate the rod, it will either draw both ends together or push them apart and you can adjust the steering. And use lock nuts. Really looking forward to seeing more. 😊👍
Lovely Tinkering video, this could be a fast wee thing! Well I never had a Spectrum, I had a Master System, but I do have a artari somewhere in the house
Hmmm, with the additional power in that motor, I reckon changing to a chain drive would probably be a good idea. Drive belts have a habit of slipping with too much power.
Wow, that's going to be a real flying machine with that 1KW motor. (The hub motors on electric bikes are usually 250W.) What about an inner tube for the filler between the bracket and the motor?
As someone who restores vintage audio gear, I'm impressed that you knew to avoid powering up the old PC before replacing its capacitors.
Probably the best keyboard in the world.
Ha, C5 Clive! Had that for my 48k back in the day! Not a lot beats Manic Miner tho 😸
Great little series of videos pal 👍 probably wouldn’t be to difficult to fit a bike disk brake to that back axel
If you need anything 3d printing. Cadding up or machining let me know. Love this project! Lovely work as usual. Look at polly tooth belts often used on cnc machines
Thanks, drop me an email with your contact details, Ive just had a change of direction idea and might need something metal made!
Dont let the iPod community find out you said they are trash. You would be surprised how much of a following all the click wheel iPods have gotten over the last year
I think I would bolt the control unit onto a metal plate and mount the plate to the plastic bulkhead on standoffs as it is likely to get quite hot.
I would have raised up the handlebars and added a radio.
That Spectrum is amazing! I had a C64 and a NES in the 80's as a kid. Maybe have a CNC company make a bracket for the electric motor? Would be so great to see the C5 driving on it's own power.
omg i had one off them as a kid hours of fun
I love to own a Sinclair love watching your videos mate your the best
Try a length of old cam belt to help hold the motor tight
I am looking forward to you actually getting the Sinclair C5 running now that you have a new motor and controller.
You can get a mobile app that makes your mobile act as a cassette player. Can download any Specy Rom online (e.g. wowroms) and it will turn it into a high-quality audio output. It works every time once you get the volume level right.
the original C5 drive off the motor went through a nylon cogged gearbox for reduction. You'll have to get the gearing and spacing between motor and axles cog bang on or the torque will just twist the motor out of whack.
Brilliant! What are your plans for the exterior when the motor is sorted? Dont forget the tall flag, so the 18 wheel artics can see you.
Bike inner tube cut down could make a good gripping shim and you don't need to damage your original clamp
John
You just need a wide rubber band to go around that motor. To give grip and to take up the diameter difference. Maybe cut a 2" wide strip from an old rubber car mat ?.
Takes me back!
Fantastic
Rubber inertube flexible enough pack it around the motor 🤔 a belt is smoother bring back mini disc sony and proper high fi separates furious Clive rides again 🤓
Yikes old spectrum, takes me back to 1982 as wee tot 👶🏽 would a couple of bicycle cogs ⚙️ and chain do the drive linkage?
back to the past.... many hours playing on the spectrum
C5 + Spectrum = my life as a 10 year old (well, could never hope to afford a C5 but aspired to one!)
Great video, I love this project! 😍
I would try to fabricate a metal strap to hold the motor in place, the plastic one will be very brittle after 40 years and it will get a lot more torque to handle. As for the drive I would try the chain route first. Also because the enormous torque increase and its easier to have a sprocket made up or altered from a bicycle or something and you can easily make a matching chain yourself. Maybe even add a tensioner from a racing bicycle. And some disk brakes from a mountain bike or scooter to the rear axle?
So what are the next steps? Painting and rust proofing of the frame etc?
Ive just had a rethink on where and how to mount the motor and drive it...
Ive been looking hydraulic brakes from a mountain bike, they look useful! I will paint the chassis but down want to take it out as they can be hard to get back in right
@@furiousdriving I used to be involved with gravity racing and when we tested hydraulic bicycle brakes we had all sorts of issues of the fluid boiling at the end of a high speed run = no brakes. It turned out to be a known problem.
Lovely Jubbly, why not strip the chassis off it and refurb it before wiring everything thing in
Do not risk the cables on the motor if the fastening fails and it starts turning in the clamp.
Suggest either a bike or old car innertube for padding the motor bracket.
I'm sure the drive system would have originally been repurposed Hoover parts...
Try getting in touch with Andy Kirby on CZcams. You might be able to collaborate, get your C5 running and get a couple of videos each out of it too. His channel is just called Andy Kirby 👍
Hi Matt- I’ve got a Spectrum 48k + - I’m considerably richer than yoooooou 😂
And I was just thinking about switching on my ZX81, bought brand new from WH Smith in 1981 for £49.99 if my memory serves me right (I was 10 at the time). Glad I haven't tried it now.
That's a plan if you or someone can check/repair it at mates rates otherwise enjoy it while it works. Otherwise you will end up with it sat in a cupboard, my old Commodore 64 conked out, but my Oric-1 48K still worked the last time I plugged it in - bit like cars use or store, spend more than you could get back because we like them.
For a battery, how about two 18v power tool batteries? I’ve no idea if they would have enough “oomph” (technical term😉), but if they did it would be far easier to charge/swap batteries whenever you needed. Plenty of cheap replacement drill batteries out there too - there’s a high demand from tradespeople that has driven prices down. Plenty of charging station type things out there too. So long as they’re easily accessible you could easily change them over, and maybe even carry charged up spare batteries as range extenders? Repeated discharge/recharge cycles don’t seem to be an issue either.
Just a thought- I know next to little about electrics so this maybe isn’t even feasible.
I know that's been done..I dont know how to do it but its been done!
With a 1000w motor that plastic motor mount won't last 5 minutes.
it needs to be bolted into a metal mount or it will spin the motor case and twist / shred the wires.
Can you take a section out of the plastic support housing near the clamp so it will tighten on the smaller motor?
That might work
C64 all day everyday..........seriously matt you think the graphics and sound were better on a spectrum, your havin a laugh mate!!!....................great nostalgia though!
I'd be looking for a freewheel sprocket/gear rather than a direct drive one - just so you don't break the motor if you speed up downhill
good point!
Automatic regenerative braking!
Unless the circuitry still uses the lead acid battery wiring, in which case: Automatic flames! :D
so on the sinclair clamp if you remove that bolt and take some material off the end won't you make it a tighter grip on the motor?
Also if you want to find metal drive wheels for belts, take a look at large sewing machines
that would work as well, Id not thought os sewing machines!
Maybe cut up sum inener tube to grip the motor?
try weld a small bike cog on the motor..just a thought
That motor uses t8 chain. Just for reference if you are installing a sprocket onto that axle.
Cool thanks. Out of interest do you know what the bike chain on the C5 is?
@@furiousdriving I'm assuming it's standard bicycle chain found on your old BMX? I gained a bit of experience with them motors and controllers during lockdown! Not messed with a C5 since about '94.
Rather than adding bits to the C5, wouldn't it be better (and more logical) to strip what there is of it and refurb from the frame upwards, as opposed to putting new components on a rusty base?
Ill paint the chassis but dont want to strip it from the body as they dont always go back easily
Wow i didnt think the parts would be here that quick, that was good they arrived ok too. Yes pattern parts would be cheaper for something like this as genuine parts are expensive. So you now have an Electric vehicle on the fleet? Is this a first among CZcamsrs to have a C5? i guess there are others though that have one? Great video as always
C5 is Alive!!😁
No disassemble Sinclair C5!
@@furiousdriving and remember that there some things that people are liking at night😁
@@jasoncornell1579 headlights?
Ive not got that. Or tail lights. Or indicators
Hot rod C5. How about a strip of rubber around the motor? Might be a bit more water resistant. Brakes? Why?
Ye Gods, the image stabilisation on the Spectrum piece had me feeling violently ill. That aside, two lots of 18V batteries for balance?
Originally the controller mounted to the right of the motor on the rear chassis leg, the wires to the handlebars ran up through the steering column.
I can see dents in the rubber where wires were, I dont know how well weather proofed this is so Ill put it in as dry a place as possible!
You can always use math to find the speed you want and then get the right pulleys! As you already have the wheel diameter and the speed of the motor/transmission? Is there a planetgear in that one, like an old overdrive uses or some startermotors?
That Spectrum start was a total blast from the past. We still have a 128k+2 hiding in the attic in its box. Will have to get it out of hiding some time.
Good to see more progress on the C5 too. Has Furious Junior expressed an interest in it yet?
Ive brought it in this morning and we are having to go through all 20 games on the disk!
Used to have the Chuckie Egg Game on my Zx spectrum and Daley Thomson’s Decathlon 👍
I used to do some of my own programming out of of the many computer books that were available. It used to take ages entering all the lines of the programme manually if you made even a small mistake they wouldn’t work properly
I had the big book of Spectrum games, 1000 pages of Basic to type in key by key, and then after a day of typing one character would be wrong and it wouldn't work!
@@furiousdriving I used to find that as well with some of the programmes
Oh the memories of the ZX Spectrum, Chuckie Egg, Manic Minor, Jetset Willy and Daley Thompson Decathlon, I feel a weekend of Spectrum resurrection coming soon
Where did you get the spectrum audio files to put on your ipod?
I got them on a CD and transferred via iTunes, there are loads you can download, you can even get a joystick interface with an SD slot and buy an SD card loaded with them
Are you and ian Seabrook having a race Sinclair C5 V invacar TUC . Battle of the 3 wheelers lol
I have a standard c5.... Lovely machine.... Let me know if you need any reference pics
i subbed today our your channel. i hope you kep't dry feet the last days.
i am very interested in a link or whatsoever of the conversion kit you ordered for your Sinclair.
i (i again, thats wrong isn't it?) have a bare sinc also. and want to do such a concersion also.
in the Netherlands it's legal to have assistance untill 25km/h and only if the driver cycles the pedals then it's considered an e-bike hand throttle is illegal, well i think to know throtlle it's permitted to 5-6 km/h purely for starting up.(the walk allong mode) (and in special occasions if it's medically required, the full throttle range is allowed.)
but in normal circumstances you are only allowed to cycle faster ofcourse but then 25km/h but then the motor has to go in freewheel mode. with the E-bike kits you can experience this on the display with a small wattage use of approx 8 or 9 watts just to keep the (hub)motor spinnin' a bit, so it will not resist.
and if we want to go faster and powered on an E-bike above 25km/h the bike is situated in the Speed-pedelic range. and it needs a licence-plate and vin on it's own. and the driver needs to wear atleast an approved cycle helmet. and own an small moped drivers licence (wich we also need to ride a yamaha-Neo's or a Puch maxi or such) and it needs to be insured.
Have you got the C5 running yet?
Old bicycle tube around the motor.
Could drive it with a chain. Much easier to change the length.
Are you going to be able to do a Part 4 of this project, and get the C5 operational? Or have you lost interest in it? 😄
Any updates with this?
If I remember correctly the motor that sinclair used came from a Hoover washing machine so. that may fit better
I heard that, but somehow doubt it -- far from ideal for using with a 12V battery!
What were the distractions a various points? You appeared to be on the verge of being interrupted...🤔
people walking past
Any news on this?
Did you ever finish the C5
Is this the last C5 video? How the project isn't forgotten!
that was last for now, I need to work out a better bracket
@@furiousdriving Fair enough. I think it would be interesting to try to fit a mid-drive E-Bike motor to a C5. That way the chain from the front would be driving everything.
Do you own a Furious Driving Crash Helmet Matt? It's beginning to look like this could potentially be a Sinclair 500. Maybe investigate drogue chute.
I have a crash helmet, not branded yet!
There's a box next to the TV that says Mann Filter, is that a box of kidney's
Just from the back of an envelop if you do get 3000 rpm on that motor you'll be doing around 90 kph !
probably should look at the brakes then..
Have you got a name for it yet? how about Sir Clive, appropriate I think, Sir Clive the C5.
Others have said it but wrap the motor to increase clamping force, and please oil that poor chain it’s making my ocd itch.
Going to get a new chain, its long dead!
good grief .. chukie egg on a sinclair spectrum , i'm about 10 & in primary school
Pls pls pls center the tires on them wheels. I'm guessing you have never changed a bike tire. you have to fit the bead evenly around the rim. not fit them with one side of the tire bulging out of the wheel and the other side way into the rim as you have them. I watched the video where you fitted them and thought you would have them sorted by now from comments but nope. I don't know how you don't see how off center them tires are!!!.