Classic WoW Complete Rogue Guide Phase 1 (Races | Talents | Tips | Pre-BIS/BIS)
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2019
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Complete Rogue guide for Classic World of Warcraft. In this guide i give my thoughts on what race you should roll. What talents you should pick. Some tips and tricks when playing the Rogue Class. At the end of the video I give a list of the Pre-Best in Slot/ the Best in Slot for Rogues in Phase 1. This will be my last video before classic. Hope it was helpful and you enjoyed it! - Hry
Your vids are the best getting my rogue game back to a level i was Gladiator in s8 wotlk and s9 2850 peak played rmp.Never played vanilla tho great infos as always keep up the work
thx!!! Glad i can help out even the skilled players XD I cant wait for classic TBC and Wrath lol
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP did they confirm next expansion ?
Not completely but they said in an interview those options are on the table esp if classic does well. It hasnt even launched yet and most servers are full so I'm sure they will be open to it.
Literally same dude, got my gladis during cata-mop on my rogue and after MoP i wasnt into pvp anymore till Legion. I never played vanilla aswell but holy frick i learned so much from this video i had to take some screenshots to remember it all xD. I love that this is kinda the same but also a but different than 2010-2014 pvp. So also big thanks to toxicyo. massive guide dude
@@miorabbit2552 Glad i could help! :D
Alot of thanks for the useful tips and tricks. Keep it up, looking forward to seeing your next video's!
Subbed bro. Sick video. Been looking for something that can apply to new players
Thank you for this. Very helpful!
Great video my man
I just started playing wow first time and i am 27 lvl noob rogue now. i learn usefull tips from your video, thanks alot man 🙂
Best rogue guide so far and i've watched 3
thx more to come after i get 60
Watched a few times and it’s been hugely appreciated. Can you do a PvE BiS enchant guide on these items. Keep up the good work
Agility on anything you can. If you cant enchant agility, then enchant strength.
Head and Legs - +8 agility
Chest - +4 stats
cloak - +3 agility
gloves and feet - agility.
Bracers - Strength
Weapons..
Sword 2x Crusader
Dagger MH - +5 damage If the dagger is good like perditions.
Dagger OH - Crusader again if the OH is good like CHT. Don't waste a lot of gold enchanting weapons you're going to replace.
Please do more rogue duel videos! Found your channel through it and it's extremely helpful :D
For sure leveling my rogue to 60 next
Great video as always man. I see your channel is growing like crazy, congrats!
Thx so much! ya im really happy with how fast its growing. If your in USA come play Stalagg Horde were starting a guild
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP ill be in stalagg i too will be playing rogue and would love to be in the same guild as you
@@adonngaming3749 for sure! Im lvling my mage first whisper "tastic" tomorrow
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP awsome your name will be toxicyo on wow im assuming right haha
@@adonngaming3749 My mages name is Tastic. My rogues name is Toxicyo
Tons of usefull information like it !
best rogue guide ive ever seen
It is important that you mention the degree garrote cause people seems to forget about it in every guide. But being able to gain time with sap into garrote is incredible energy-wise. It was already insane back in WoD so it must be even more insane at vanilla!
Thanks for your video ans to rogues out there. Use the degree, you won't regret it!
ya using the 90 degree angle shit is really good nice mention
Hey man love your rogue videos, best material I could find on YT. So, what spec would you suggest for a fresh 60 who needs to do PVE to gear up but still wants PVP to be his main focus? I guess the question would be is there a good PVP spec which is also viable in PVE? Thank you.
Great vid
thank you dude
I love you. Great video.
Was a Vanilla Hunter PvP player, played till BC and the best time we had for Arena. But for Classic im Playing a Rogue, i remember it as much fun in PvP and still OP in PvE. My Dad had a Main Rogue and i always did duels in front of IF. Almost 1shot everything, rogue is the best class if u can play it.
Awesome video!
Quick question though, for the Hemo/Cold Blood build, which MH sword/Dagger combo would you run?
or dual dagger?
You want a slow Mainhand/fast OH for hemo
Very helpful video. I think both neck pieces are in fact quest rewards, so no need to spend DKP there :)
Doesn't only one person per week get the head to start the quest? Or does EVERYONE get it at once in one run?
2 usefull weps(pvp) would be silent fang ( make it proc and swap) 6 sec silence from last boss of scholomance, serenity (dispell chance from Bsmithing test it with feint it migth proc) more magic damage? great vs high armor targets with good proc rate (the faster weps the better) darkmoon card maelstrom
Hey man thanks for the videos! Could you do addon video? would be great!
Great video and great ui. Which addons do u using that video? Can u pls share. Thx
modui is the main one. I'm gonna make an addon video next few days
I can't believe I never though about this Cheap Shot + Gouge. Literally would have saved me tons of broken keyboard when fighting mages back in Vanilla :D
Yep, best tip ever. Never knew about it either.
Id accidentally do it some time and just lol but knowing there is a technique to it ohhh I gotta master it
Would u do duels for against each class? The way you duel people has so much finesse. It would be nice to know you thought process against each class. U the man!
Thx lol. Yes in Classic i will for sure!!
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP he did vs me soon he will upload it ( i hope so lol) not the bad @### of our last vid this is vastly superior
You should have mentioned that for dagger rogues the BiS Gloves are Aged Core Leather Gloves from Magmadar in Molten Core that give +5 Dagger Skill.
Core Hound Tooth from Majordomo is a better BiS off hand.
Barman Shanker has the inconvenient of applying a debuff so it may be a problem too.
BiS off hand dagger is Alcor's Sunrazor WBoE Epic or Bonescraper from Baron Rivendare in Stratholme.
other then that it is a great video with great tips.
ya tru was just giving a general BIS list tho
May I ask what addon are you using to track the energy ticks in your nameplate? Also, where to get it? Amazing video, dude. Gave me a clear direction to follow.
Thanks! www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info25114-modui.html is the addon you need for energy ticks
Can you make addon guide? Love ur content simple and easy to understand
Amazing guide TY! one question? do you have an addon video? would be sweet! love your UI
thx man appreciate it! Made an addon video about a week ago here you go. czcams.com/video/3hrDzZN0bDg/video.html
Yo bro, love the video. Are those nameplates part of the MODUI or are they a separate addon? and if so, which addon is it? Also, if it is part of MODUI. how did you get the combo points on the left and the timer on the dots on above their names? Sorry for so many quesstions. Thanks fam
modui has those nameplates i believe but u can always download a class color namplate addon too..The combo points are part of modui tho
Hey for the Dagger Pvp build do you do dual daggers or dagger and sword. Love the vid Btw :)
you can use double daggers or dagger mainhand sword off hand. Thx btw :D
Hi ! Simple Rogue question does Weapon Expertise ( +5 sword skill) add do human racial Sword Expecilizacion ( +5 sword skill) giving the char 10 + Sword skill ??? Sorry about my english ! Keep up the good work !
Hello :)
I like your Video, but I have some questions, because in the internet there are so many different specs and im getting more and more confused.
Right now I am levelling my rouge (lvl 12) and I dont't wanna go on raids in the endgame. I just want to go on some Dungeons with my friends and have perhaps some fun in PvP:
I thougt i would choose the sword-combat-spec, beacuse almost every guide says that this is the best build for levelling, but I gues it will be more fun to play with daggers.
Why do you skill sinister strike in the combat-dagger build and in the cold blood-rep-dagger build?
Clap clap clap, very nice guide... If I only had time to play like it was 2004... :D
What professions do you advise? Eng is great for pvp but is very expensive... Do you think herbalism/alchemy is a good compromise between utility and moneymaking? Or should I go for full Skinning/mining or Disenchanter and change to Eng after I get the mounts? :P
@@V4mplr3 mining engi for pvp wpvp raids and mass world bosses wpvp engi there is nothing close if you find way to make money and your are alliance you can drop mining and lvl blacksmithing for Fear immune trinket
I think gnome is better for alliance than human in pvp, you're going dagger mostly right? Also, it makes the mage matchup much easier
nice vids, what addons do you use?
Hi pal, thanks for the guide. A quick question please. You know when you explain about the cheap shot at a 90 degree angle so not to break cc such as sap? Would having your cheap shot in a macro with /stopattack after it work just as well? Or could you explain why it wouldn't be a good thing? Thanks in advance.
Hey bro you can do that but once you learn how to cheap shot with the angle it becomes really easy. Sometimes you want to cheap shot and start attacking right away
What addon shows the time left on abilities such as cheap shot & gouge?
Is this legal? Thank you man. The best
Hey! Great video, liked and subscribed:)
Quick question, for PvP, what is better the hemo spec with swords or the cold blood prep spec?
Thanks
Ty! You want a slow sword in your mainhand as hemo spec, and a fast offhand weapon. Forgot to mention that part XD
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP Dude I know :-)
My question was, for pvp what is better the dagger cold blood prep spec or the hemo sub spec with swords? From watching your vid I got the impression they are both equally good. Thanks
@@davidcosta198ur right they are both equally good. Choose either one both have different play styles
Hey man which spec would you recommend for pvp both also reasonable for pve too? I’ve always preferred playing Sub
Dude this is insane
Hey man what Addons are you using for party frames and action bar frames?
Pls more vids tysm!
Also can you pls help me out rq is it better to use a butcher I got as a drop instead of cruel barb with +12 attack power I’m rlly not sure what to do
Thanks dawg
Thanks for the vid!
Which sub sword spec would you recommend for pvp, which is also “viable” for pve? Want to focus on wpvp in classic but also be able to do some raiding with guild without getting kicked lol (pretty casual guild but still)
np! Really the only good sword spec for pve is combat swords classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/005323105-0233052000050150231
That spec can be alright for world pvp but for best pvp spec i would go hemo swords when not raiding
You use imp backstab for when fighting Vaelastrasz in BWL. This is what you want before BWL comes out classicdb.ch/?talent#f0efoxZMLVbbVzxfo
Thank you! 😁 probably will go with that 👍🏻
I actually rolled a rogue now on classic, mostly cause i never played one during vanilla, i was going warrior but i just remembered how much i was kited and well, didt have a pocket healer. The only thing that worries me in PvP is how much work is needed to kill a person. Im not that skilled so :/
HELLO! Love youur vids! What addon is that? That you can move your Player info and Target info near the center instead of looking on the upper left where they are by default. Thanks!
you don't need an addon for that, you can right click and unlock the original wow UI frames
@@skyekingdom0 thank you!
@@skyekingdom0 I tried this and it worked. Problem is after I logout it reverts back. How did u fix it?
nvm, found the culprit, my titan panel keeps on resetting it
Have a question about prep does it also reset kick and kidneyshot in 1.12 ? Do you Think its worth to prep kick or prep kidney or only in niche situations? How long is kidney / cs / blind dr ?
only in niche situations like if your kidney shot gets resisted on a warrior/need another kick on the caster u can prep but can use this macro to reset your cds off gcd if u need to kick/ kidney
#showtooltip Preparation
/cast [nostealth] evasion
/cast sprint
/cast Preparation
drs are 15 seconds in vanilla
Correction to bis for ranged weapon would be Strikers mark because hit is everything
if you u care about pve more then pvp sure
Hey toxic
Ill hemo+prep+coldblood build but i still have a question, i start with sub or assasination??
I get cold blood or hemo first??
go sub first if that's how u wanna level dont really need cold blood early on
onyxia tooth neck is bis for warriors as well
Is there a way to remove poisons from the main hand wep?
na once u put on u cant'
So should I level in the combat sword tree? And is that good for PvP?
Yes, go combat/swords for levelling. Daggers aren't exactly bad, it's just that swords have a good levelling progression and it's a smoother process overall since you'll be using Sinister Strike which benefits from a hard hitting main hand weapon. It's not a great PvP spec but you can still 100-0 people from stealth, especially if you carry some Thistle Tea for backup, and Riposte after a parry can single-handedly win you brawls vs other melees if you're caught out in the open. The only real disadvantage you have going combat/swords over hemo/cold blood in leveling PvP is that your stealth is kinda meh by moving slower and getting detected easier, otherwise you still do amazing damage and can destroy people. You will really thank yourself for going combat for the 5% hit rating and Blade Flurry when it comes to grinding segments during levelling.
You can respec to hemo/cold blood at 60 if you wanna do proper PvP or BRD gold farming, until then it's not worth it in my opinion (been bouncing between the 2 specs since level 30 on my rogue, about to hit 58). Hope this helps!
So you would pick dwarf over human and gnome . Could you elaborate more on why?
Yes np. Dwarf is better because of stoneform. In vanilla Blind is considered a poison so u can stoneform out of blinds. Plus devouring plague/bleeds too.
Orc all day that blood fury
What was that about not having a poison on your mainhand when in a raid group with a shaman?
Having a poison on your MH will prevent you from getting windfury
Phase 2 addons and ui guide please :)
Trolls can also be Rogues. Was curious what would have been said about that in the beginning
I personally wouldnt recommend them. Orcs and Undead are much better
could u tell your movement key bind? like do u use a,w,s,d to move while hold right mouse?
that's exactly what i do. a & d are to strafe only so sometimes i dont need to hold down right mouse button but i usually do.
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP thanks man keep it up with the good videos
there is a possibility energy giving meme set with fast dagger to be prety good
and better Than t1 and t2 we will see
Sometimes I see rogue players with two of the same skills right next to eachother on their action bars, why is that?
I have that there to see certain cds better, and for when focus macros work
Would you really choose human over gnome for tier 2 race on alli if playing dagger spec mainly pvping? I was really holding escape artist at such a high level, others have suggested this as well. Is it not as useful as people think?
Ya in vanilla i would go gnome over human but perception is so OP in TBC i considered that too. Plus human is really good in pve. Dwarf is the best by far in vanilla tbh with stoneform
Yaah I hear you on the dwarf, I just can’t make myself do it haha. It’s between gnome or human for me. Do you think you are at a serious disadvantage not being gnome in vanilla?
@@michaelnewman6628 na not really i think human would be fine choice. They are much better in pve anyways
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking as well. I agree that escape artist is useful, but can’t see how it’s that much of a game changer. I appreciate the feedback man please keep making videos. Love the content. Think I will be going human for classic!
Do you use swords or daggers for the hemo rogue build?
swords
So if you equip poindon on your main hand as a horde rogue you wont get the Windfury proc? 🤔
Nope if you raid with a shaman dont use your mainhand poison! Can still use your offhand posion though.
What do you think is BiS gear for rogue up to BWL phase?
tier 2 gear is great
Can you make a Rogue vs Hunter guide please?
yes later in classic i will for sure
Do rogues wear their tier sets in pvp or mix it like warriors
think tier sets are great for rogue pvp. esp 5/8 nightslayer with 3/8 bloodfang. once u get to AQ/naxx those sets are great too
i need some help do i run hemo soec with swords or with daggers?
swords
thank but i think i will go combat swords -.- like everybody
Hey you have a rogue and mage like me too? Nice!
Mage is for gold grinding right?
I am only level 42 rogue and 38 mage though.
I got burned out for rogue so I rerolled a mage lol. Damn it's rough leveling as a subtlety rogue.
Are maces viable and which should I look out for?
look for wirts leg its like a lvl 40 blue mace
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP Thanks
One observation about the Pre-BiS: Hand of Justice (HoJ) is dropped by General Angerforge in Phase 1. It will be switched to Emperor Dagran Thaurissan (last boss of BRD) in a later phase.
what energy addon are you using and does it work in classic ?
modui i have it downloaded but it looked to dark so i disabled it while i lvl my mage..Almost 60 then im gonna test it out on rogue
www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/energytick
Gonna be Troll Rogue. Show dem haters mon!
Good content though, i liked it!
thx man i appreicate it!
im night elf trollololo
Is the honor system thing not in phase 1?
Negative
You shoudlve mentioned that u Play hemo with swords most likely and not daggers and u want a slow mainhaind for more hemo dmg
Yea i should of mentioned that I always use a slow MH for hemo so i forgot lol
What addons are you running?
czcams.com/video/3hrDzZN0bDg/video.html
which energy tick addon is going to be working ?
Modui or energywatch
Sorry i might sound stupid or uninformed ... but what do you mean about phase 1 ?
Why would you put fel striker as a bis offhand...that thing is so unbelievably rare to have in a guide..
🙏
I think I seen you around in gehennas.
I actually play on stalagg lol
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP must be someone with your name then :p
Which spec were you using for "Classic WoW Vanilla Rogue Duels!!!"
21/8/22
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP There's 2 of the same numbers xd
@@animekmyt7908 I was using the one with ruthlessness but you can change the spec how you want.
I swear when I was playing rogue in classic there was a mace hemo build that i destroyed people in pvp with.
Am I crazy and that wasn't a thing? Lol
It's real, look up Iron Foe + Felstriker combo
I would say race tier list is. Orc>Undead>Dwarf/Gnome>Human.. er... Troll>NE
Ya i just cant be asked to go orc and i think humans are better once TBC launches with arenas so i factored that into the video as well.
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP Hahaha, i agree man, weirdly always prefered the female orc look on rogues.
But i agree on the TBC factor.
Iremember having to regrind 1-70 as Human for Arena lol, then making it and probably only enjoying 4 months of Perception Arena lol.
minor note, the best races for leveling is arguably night elf and undead. imo
true. ne rogue is a good leveler on a PVP server. Passive boost to stealth, a percent extra dodge, faster corpse runs. really every race has something to benefit rogues
Do you use crippling poison on both, mh and oh?
yes but i have a 3rd and 4th weapon for wound/mind numbing when i need
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP Thx for the fast respond! 👍
Do you use then the weapon with wound/mind numbing as mh or oh?
@@DerDeluu MH always use offhand for crip
can you do a mage version
Definitely but it will be after classic launches :P
Why is AP better than agility in Classic, I see a ton of people rocking full shadow craft
Agility converts into 2 AP so rather than chasing extra dodge they go straight to damage
what's that UI addon?
modui
What add-ons are you using?
modui, omniCC, Leatrix plus, CCportraits are the main ones
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP i cant find your unit frames anywhere
Best profession for rogue??
engineering
Made a nelf rogue and lvl 40 now. feel like it was a waste of time :(
I personally believe Nelfs aren't the very worst. They have the most base agility of any race, must count for something
They aren't bad for pvp, there have been respected night elf rogues
you get an invisible +1 master of deception boost as a nelf
Are you going Rogue or mage for classic launch?
Going mage first week to 60 then I'll lvl a rogue 2nd-3rd week
Toxicyo PvP nice is that for gold purposes?
@@bmcash09 gold purposes so i can funnel my rogue gear, i enjoy playing mage too and mages are faster lvlers too.
Toxicyo PvP yeah I’m going warlock first for the speed and I assume I can make more money on it than the rogue. I’d go mage first but I really enjoy the warlock play style
@@bmcash09 My brothers going lock. They are OP in PvP good class to pair with a rogue
the tuber thing,, you need to sit down to eat it in classic.
what server are you playing?
Stalagg as Horde
Why do ppl ignore the kick talent shits OP in dungeons raids and pvp
Cause i only use combat if im required to for pve. Combat is boring and sucks at pvp compared to the other specs
felstriker is so hard to get and we warriors want it too badly lol
I'm gonna be making reserve runs for sure lol
@@ToxicyoRoguePvP did you see my last vid?
@@bloodwindpvp4364 not yet i'll watch it today tho!
Does the large rope net exist in wow classic?
yea it does
How to play Rogue in 3 steps.
1: Get a Sword
2: Reduce Sinister Strike cost
3: Slap the shit out of mobs