Jordan Peterson: The Surprising Role of Religion at the Beginning of Civilization
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- Jordan Peterson, professor for psychology at the University of Toronto talks about the surprising role of religion at the beginning of civilization. He brings the example of Marduk, the Babylonian god.
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This is from his "Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God ", check out the full talk here: • Lecture: Biblical Seri...
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No one drills down into the bedrock of ideas more deeply and creatively than JP. If he never returns to the world stage, he has left us with enough to contemplate for the rest of our lives.
Thank God her returned and is on the frontlines, this society is crazy and we need him.
@@lordvoldemort4242 Absolutely. He's better than ever.
Really miss Jordan, hope he and his wife are ok
As always PI, your picks are excellent. Keep'em coming.
I still dont get why JP is avoiding any philosophical discourse about the Greco Roman mindset. He is, by definition a stoic first of all...why not talking about the great schools of thought in Greece?! Would he find it difficult because his deep religious, monotheistic views? I'd love to hear his take on Neoplatonism which basically early Christians were all about.
Right temporal lobe's 'godspot's accessible via radiofrequency.
Near the End of the video - Wait... so he is saying... they we use the frontal cortex to simulate a simulation, from that we then come up with a formula to solve a solution?
Sounds like a "AI" Stand Alone Complex. A... fundamental difference between an NPC and Player character in a videogame.
"IF" I "process"that correctly the difference between the "Individuality" and the "Group".
This is a little too high-falutin imo.
I think this is more simply explained through evolution of ideology. Meaning that religion is effectively an "Operating System" for society and the most successful OS (usually one that will lead to civility and allow the prosper of a civilisation, remember most of humanities scientific and engineering feats have come under governance of strongly religious societies that have kept large societies stable in structure) will allow its citizens to prosper and so will endure and spread.
The decline of these societies arguably occurs when the religious element is eroded and cast aside for narrower short term interests.
Appreciation of the objective benefits of religion is being grossly ignored at this point in Western society in favour of free market ideology being the hollow replacement (including all of its new age prophets, ie Dawkins, Dennet, Harris, et al). An insane vacuous provision that will bring us down in the end......words from an agnost.
I view GOD (Genesis.Of.Dyne), as a process, and religions as a simplified iconographic narrative of the need to align ourselves as an intelligent collective, with the equanimity G.O.D. eventuates.
It's not an acronym.
God isn't an acronym
And second thing Religion has nothing to do with god (Creation or existence of the universe)
God isn't an acronym. It's a coined term for deity attributed with special powers, worthy of worship via cultural discipline, i.e religion. My alignment is with the acronym G.O.D., without which no God would exist.
Psychologists are not historians
Unimpressed. This is just one more iteration of the power of myth and ritual, which has been reiterated again and again, since Carl Jung first intuited it at the beginning of the 20th century. Jolande Jacoby, Joseph Campbell, James Hillman, Michael Meade, Robert Moore - these are just a few of the dozens of names that would apply. Freud himself was one of the pioneers in this.
The Jungian school of thought is, of itself, powerful to be sure (Gad Saad notwithstanding), but hell, even an uneducated slob like me can give you a powerful presentation and renditions of jungian thought. You just have to be crazy. Or an artist.
Particularly unimpressed inasmuch as Peterson is attempting to relate, of all gods, the God of the Bible into this. And while, mythographically, the One True God of the Israelites can be traced to other deities, He is, historically, the one most resistant to it.
And the people listening to Peterson have never read or heard of these people, so yes, it might be important to reiterate for those new to these types of thoughts and ideas. And the really neat thing about this guy is that he vociferously recommends and advises his listeners to read the very people you mentioned, and more.
Paul Brereton Well, I hope they get some value out of doing so.
Peterson admits as much, so what exactly is your point? I would say the most unique thing about Peterson is that humming in the background of his lessons on religion, mythology, philosophy and social critique is the mind of a clinical psychologist. Science is bereft of absolute certainty, especially as it pertains to human consciousness. Peterson extrapolates from a variety of sources possibilities therein. It's not smoke and mirrors because when he addresses unexplained phenomena, for instance, it is never outside the box of reasonable explanation. He thinks through problems in real time, often pushing the envelope and meandering past the temporal dead-ends of singularities.
@@MoonBurn13 well, if you read posts and messages of those who claim to have been saved by the guy, I would say so. Once again, it's not that he is saying anything that hasn't been said before. 20 & 30 year olds who have told they are the reason for everything wrong in this world, that they are toxic, that they are all misogynists, that they are the enemy of every woman walking the face of the earth, this guy has helped point them in a direction of taking responsibility for their lives, making them accountable for their past, present and futures, to not make excuses for their circumstances but to own them. For that, hats off to the guy.
Paul Brereton Yeah just did that - read some of the younger people’s testimonies. Right here, in fact.
From time to time I forget about the great (and getting greater all the time) age-gap between myself and the people right now in their prime. I forget how seriously such people - particularly among the millennials - take Life. And how enthusiastically they can embrace a mentor - usually a figure to supplement the void my generation of fathers left when they abdicated (got expelled, castrated, drugged out, etc). I also have an inborn aversion to academia. And sometimes I forget.
Each stage of life has its own perspective: If something or someone is helping them cope with the problems of their age, who can argue with that?
There’s nothing special in taking the Black Pill, and perhaps something toxic in taking it too early.☠️
Jordan’s narrative about culture and the basis of modernity is so flawed. The lack of nuance and specific claims makes everything Jordan says moot. I never learn anything from listening to him. I only see things to confirm things I already wanted to believe.
Your honesty is superbly refreshing. Thank you.
Well he tends to Dance around some questions...
And he takes preexisting words and gives his own definition to it ( like every modern intellectual) making it hard to evaluate everything scientifically
Like the way he redefined god, when asked about existence of it.