Jordan Peterson on the Belief in God
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- What does it mean to say that you believe in God? How does that belief actually affect your behavior? Do you even have the right to say you believe in God?
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Can you imagine what he says when his girlfriend or wife asks him if he loves her
the truth..
GF: do you love me?
JP: what is love?
*Que music*
😂😂
😂😂😂
It depends of what you mean by love? 😂
His parents ask him if he cleaned his room... Parents walk away confused over what clean actually means
Oh damn,🤣🤣
O bro😂
Hahaha 😂
Lmao that's probably facts ,😂
More like you ask the kid. Does he love his parents. If he sais yes, then you ask. Why is your room not already cleaned. Exactly what jesus asked peter. Do you love me.... Feed my sheep.
As a Christian, he’s so on point regarding how many Christians think that just by calling themselves Christians, that they are saved
My relatives and neighbors goes to church every Sunday but not willing to give me a wider road for negotiating my vehicle
so true bro.
@@localmannn9167 Christians I have known are comprised of the same faults of human nature as everyone else. Some do better in spite of that conducting themselves according to Christ's teachings and some fail as well as there are some who are hypocrites who wear it like a mask of social acceptability. But accepting all of this is an act of compassion and understanding and mercy..which is what Christ teaches us. We all have our own personal journey to make.
Cuz freaks know!
@@localmannn9167 Holy Water enemas will solve this. I use them for kinky sex, but spewing on their car will do wonders and miracles. I've got pictures!!!
There needs to be a Jordan Peterson mic drop gif somewhere out there. Dude just freestyled a college essay without breaking a sweat
It’s the eighth wonder of the world to watch him speak for hours on end almost without stuttering or pausing. I couldn’t talk about my own mother for that long without pausing, much less talk about the most difficult debate topics across history.
All day long, every day.
@@brantleymotes2340 thank you!!!
@@brantleymotes2340 lol me neither dude.
Regardless of his beliefs, he's thought about the question far more thoroughly than most believers do themselves
True
How do you know? Have you asked all believers?
Just kidding.
@@brianworthington9486 English please, stop trying to be Jordan man
@@brianworthington9486 Fair enough , cheers
His capacity to pick up a drink and then not drink is top tier.
🤣😂 well played
The Reverse Pavlov move
Brilliant analogy!
He probably wants all carbonation disappear before he takes a sip
@@vladislavpetkov2271 it’s not an analogy 🤣🤣
I'm in recovery and my recovery program director would say "Your life is a testimony against your words" all the time. My uncle was an addict too and there toward the end, my father would always tell him "I believe nothing you say and everything you do".
Same here.
That’s deep💯
nothing to do with religion.. but all the best
METAPHYSICAL-REALIZATION;NATURE-OF-REALITY/BIRTH-OF-UNIVERSE/CONSCIOUS-UNIVERSE/WHAT-IS-GOD
'Consciousness' and 'simulation' are the same thing.
Wouldn't this make "God" the AI/nucleus that regulates the stimulation/consciousness??? I believe this to be true - and literally in every context!
This is remarkable. I am a Christian and I have a deep contending relationship with God. I have never heard someone explain exactly what my inner emotions are. This was spot on. Belief in God is not quite the point. Your relationship with him in fact, is.
So, what you are saying is that you have a deep "contending" relationship with an unspecified God, right? You do know there is more than one God, right? What if you had deep "contending" relationship with Allah, would that make a difference in your life? If you can't explain your own inner emotions, then you have some serious exploring within yourself to do.
Very American.
@@kennyw871 You are focusing on dogma and not belief. The worst part of all religions is not the belief but what influential "believers" say it means to believe. The great irony between the 3 great monotheist religions of the world is they believe in the same diety, share some of the same stories and believe many of the same ideas. God in the Christian religion is the same God in Judaism and Allah in Islam.
It's the dogma that is put upon them that divides us, the arbitrary rules put upon us by other humans not the mere revelation of the Divine. It's the conflicts between Catholics and Prodestants, Sunni and Shia, Jewish pograms throughout history.. Strip away the dogma and that would solve a great many conflicts between people on this earth when they understand that they all share a belief in the divine and that devine isn't so diametrically different that blood should be shed over it..
@@kennyw871 There really isn't. There is one God. And Jesus Christ is His son.
@@janinejohnstone468How do you know? Do you have any evidence?
He is wrestling with God even as he describes wrestling with God.
God will win in the end, I have wrestled with God for 24yrs now and my bones have grown old and too tired to resist anymore. I can only hope when I have finally succumbed to his Will that he restores some of my lost health and youth, although I probably don't deserve it
@nick m. I highly doubt it. I think that his thinking is a lot more complex than that.
Nick none of that was sound evidence. Stop, because you’re making atheists look really dumb
Dixi Hall Yeah? which god and why that one?
@nick m. This train of thought led to the extermination of Christians and intellectuals in Soviet Russia, because your argument dwells on the absolute hatred for those who do not think like you. You and your thinking are the proof of evil, and if we can prove true evil in the world, goodness must exist for there to be a balance.
How is it that you can believe in climate change, with zero physical experience, to prove it (meaning, it has not directly affected you on a catastrophic level)? Because you, I would assume, have no expertise in the matter, but believe what others have told you regarding it. Just watch An Inconvenient Truth (2006), just to give you an example of what the so called "experts" go so outrageously wrong, regarding Global Warming. So, I would say, that it is you, who believe in a god, climate change. Climate change is your religion.
he's basically saying faith without works is dead
Yup
I mean yeah pretty much but even when I feel I match up less to God's expectations or my perfect self I still say I believe in God I think of it as. I think the statements that God exists Jesus is the son of God and he died for my sins are all true. Also that I put my trust in his works for my salvation. Aswell as my process of repentance
@@righteous_lute6194 you shouldn’t rely on your works but the Grace of God and Jesus’ death and resurrection are a free gift to all. Remember that Jesus said no one can take my life he chose to lay it down for you and me. God DOESNT NEED US he’s an eternal being we need him. And we need his grace to even approach him
@@mugiwarashadow6400 I know brother God Bless you, I was just saying even though I don't match up to God's standard, I still put my trust in him and believe in him.
@@mugiwarashadow6400 Jordan is so close yet so far, I genuinely hope someone reaches out to tell him that BECAUSE we will never be able to live that perfect life out because we are inherently evil/sinful, salvation through faith is the ultimate gift that was bestowed upon us by God through Christ’s ultimate sacrifice.
This is beautiful. We (Theists) simply say "I believe in God" , without considering the repercussions which follow from this belief, which in hindsight, seems simply foolish.Thank you, Dr Jordan Peterson, for making me re-examine my own beliefs 🙏
Personally i could have never believed without walking through the repercussions first.
God doesn't exist bro
"Theist" simply means that you believe in at least one God, but if your God tells you to do things like harming others to make it rain, then it would be preferable that you don't stick to the religious guidelines that would make you a "good believer"...
I understand that most all Christians that I encounter in church exemplify the proclamation that Dr Peterson has claimed here, but that does not mean All theists. I can tell you that I have never felt comfortable in the church because I recognized this even as an elementary schooler in Sunday school as I watched other kids sit there just parroting the "Jesus answers" because that was was was regurgitated to them so they in turn regurgitated it every sunday.
" Neither mysticism nor the creed of self-sacrifice is compatible with mental health or self-esteem. "
-Nathaniel Branden-
Never heard someone struggle so much with admitting that he believes in God and Jesus Christ is KING. Love you Mr. Peterson. May your wrestling with God bring you certainty in every sense of the word. Amen.
He'd readily admit as far as I'm concerned, it's just he doesn't believe he has the right to say it.
If you understood his message at all, you would understand he already believed in God. He equated acting as if one believes in God with true belief, and he said he does. Because you could say you believe, but that doesn't mean you truly believe. Therefore, the true proof is in the pudding. He believed in God
Weak minded individuals have faith and refuse to find their own answers
I wish I had the same faith that Jordan has in himself by placing his laptop on that chair arm and not knocking it over with his hand gestures. I know for a fact that is the first thing that would happen to me if I did that.
I was thinking the same thing! Loo
testtubekitten 😂😂😂
He uses a Microsoft surface laptop fyi just in case u wanna use the same one
Nothing like confidence! LOL!
I like his hair, both on his face and his head
If he was the priest, I would really look forward to Sunday's Mass
if he was a priest, you wouldn't be listening. and he'd have no crowds
Do you want to celebrate Christ's coming, death and resurrection at Mass, or hear a bunch of cool talking points?
I mean, I'm not saying Peterson doesn't raise interesting points. But it's a bit like saying you want your mechanic to be a rockstar.
He is a priest. He has just taught you that you do not find God at Mass. What you find is your fellow men ... and each of them is also a priest.
Interesting...
ikr
@@MrTheGuitarNerd They're talking about the homily, or sermon.
I have attended church all my life and never have I been challenged so much on why I believe what I believe. I am praying for this man
Nothing is hearing your prayers. For thousands of years people have prayed, lived and DIED for their God or Gods. It’s absolutely comical and delusional to think your God is the way to truth.
I'm praying for YOU David Venz. Nothing wrong with being challenged on why you believe what you believe.
@@BadMannerKorea All of my honest prayers have been answered, God has never let me down. There's absolutely no way this could be luck like many people say... Faith is what moves us humans to accomplish and conquer things in life, without it, we're nothing. We can achieve as many things as we want, we'll still feel empty deep down inside though, and that's because we're lacking faith and spiritual guidance. I'm only 15 and would've taken my life if it weren't by my faith in Christ and my own willpower. God is not simply going to make your life better, you've got to battle for it.
@ Gustavo,
You're only 15. It wasn't "God" that did those things, it were your actions with a bit of luck. Luck is like a series of bets. Unlucky people just are going through losing streaks of simply doing the wrong things at the wrong time, all the time. lucky ones are just going through winning streaks or doing the right thing most of the time. If you believe in "God" as the biblical god with exact words and commands, then that requires more extraordinary proof than saying I believe there may be a creator for life in this world. Same thing for any religion that alludes to knowing God personally who gave an instruction book.
Do you ask god everyday what you can do to help him rather than asking what he can do to help you?
Love Dr. Peterson! You do not have to be fully integrated to say I believe. We all believe eating healthy and exercising will keep us healthy yet we do not always act as though we believe that. It does not mean we lose the right to say that, because knowing is in the intellect. Action is spurred by the will and to say our will ALWAYS acts in union with our beliefs is not the case...the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. The fear, tiredness, laziness, anger, etc., can promt us to act different to what we believe. It does not make us hypocrites, rather it makes us human
I've been going to church for about 20 years and none of the priests could ever explain and contextualize the Bible to me in an understandable and acceptable way like this man does. He's a treasure.
Check out zakir naik
Watch a Pastor called Gino Jennings, you dont know me but trust me and you wont regret it.
What do you think about God?
i could not agree more. i’m no longer atheist thanks to this man. i pray the remainder of his recovery is as full and swift as possible 🙏🏼
@@allahm-ast3mnlywlatstbdlny164 lol
Started out as a psychologist and university professor, ended up as a philosopher
And will probably die an agnostic
When you implicitly invite Him in then He will not leave! But do not grieve the Spirit or quench Him! And ask to do the perfect particular will. Then do not fret, excessively, that's not profitable! Jesus won the battle in the garden of Gethsemane. Mel Gibson got that too!
Apostle in my opinion
Not exactly a bad thing.
He is PhD not PsyD!
Jordan Peterson on the subject of marriage and on one's desire to have a partner who doesn't challenge you 15:03 :
"She should be more on the side of who you could be, than on the side of who your are." 15:41
That is one of the most profound things I have ever heard anyone say on the topic. Amazing.
The way Jordan Peterson's mind works completely amazes me. I often get into tears when watching his lectures. I'm glad to be alert and alive at a time when someone such as himself exists. Thank you, Jordan.
Same, not so much actually crying but emotional enough when hitting a certain introspective level that causes me to be teary eyed or crying a little. It's incredibly deeper than people realise. When you watch or listen to such level of thought and introspection and are able to process it properly, it can reveal truths about yourself that leaves no other route except emotional out pouring
Sounds like James 2: 14-26 belief is different than practiced belief- even demons believe, but it’s action that proves the allegiance or actual belief in God.
Great answer! I'm surprised Jordan didn't mention that. But, then again, he didn't claim Christ as his savior when presented with the perfect forum for it... you can't sit on the fence on that question.
Exactly! The question isn't "do you believe in God?" bu rather "what do you believe of God?"
The trouble with intellectuals is that we give no place for the unkown.
The BlackWolf I don’t know that intellectuals have no place for the unknown, just not a claim of knowledge of what has only been hypothesized. Most People who say they believe in god mean they have faith that he exists. They have faith he exists, they think it is the most logical conclusion to reach, but god is not a reality, rather a hope. To believe is not the same as to know. We never say we believe in what we know beyond a doubt. So in my humble opinion, those who say they believe in god are in the same boat as this man, they just don’t have the courage to admit it to themselves. He lives as if god exists. What more can one do?
@@theblackwolf8877 giving place to the unknown is the very definition of an intellectual. All one knows is the extent of ones own ignorance. Only the fool thinks he knows it all.
Also on the god topic,
I could say God exists. But I could also say theres a twinky flying through space and because its there it gives my life meaning. I now want to be a better person because I know the twinky is watching over me from space. Neither God or Lord twinky can be proven or unproven and are therefore unfalsifiable.
This guy always has an amazing suit on.
I thought I was the only one noticing that lol😂😂
Barney stinson in real life
Bro it ain't matter you fat, skinny, 300 hectares with a classy attire, you are stealing all the eyes, look at Warren Buffet, Tony Robins, Robert Dawney Jr. they all have a smoking clean suits on top and they always get the cheers... So the lesson for today is make yourselfs a fat roll, go to a tailor and sew yourself a nice suit. You will see that you will wear it more than often... 😉
Let's not forget the Lobster tie.
Suit up
This is the best, honest and sincere answer to this question I have ever heard. Christians take notes and really listen to what he is saying. He's saying if you practice what you preach then you believe. If you say you believe and don't practice what is required then you are not a true believer. You must be truly honest and examine yourself to really understand the answer to this question.
Belief is belief, the point of being a Christian is to beleive n to try to lead a virtous life, even if u fail, u Atleast tried, if u repent truly from the bottom of your hearr, all is forgiven and u are redeemed, unless u are guilty of some truly horrendous acts, Even then u can achieve redemption by devoting urself to christ
@@Mcbignuts Sorry sir but you can do nothing to achieve redemption by obeying the law. Redemption is by faith in the blood of Jesus. Observance of the law , to the best of your ability, is how we prove we love GOD.
As a Christian this has seriously made me wonder if I am more of a sayer or a doer when it comes to living out my faith. Thank you Jordan
i think he is saying, there is no god
When it comes to Christianity, they're both the same. You can't go wrong.
" There is only one reality---the reality knowable to reason. "
-Nathaniel Branden-
@@Mark_Chandler no, you’re a moron if that’s what you got from the clip
@@Mark_Chandler hes not saying that did u listen to him lol
To live in a time where this type of info is immediately available to the masses
This privilege indeed boggles my mind daily!
Yes a great privilege I'm appreciative towards the Lord for it but I'm often ashamed with how I take it for granted my time and my privileges.
all thanks to science and computer programmers.
Yet still have idiots everywhere that can't process it
ZERO PROOF OF MOSES, BUT YOU ARE IN A CREEPY CULT THAT THINKS THE HEBREWS WERE HONEST, RUBE? HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Do you believe in God" is a fearsome question, and should be. Answering in the affirmative carries weight and responsibility.
Ladco77 responsibility of answering to a whole lot. I wouldn’t say the weight of saying something untrue, or in Peterson’s case here, lying, is a good weight to take on. SMH
@@tejasnair3399 why exactly would you accuse him of lying here? what exactly is the lie?
@@tejasnair3399 yes, please enlighten us with your wisdom.
Ladco77 - I would submit that your answer doesn’t really matter as the responsibility exists regardless of how you answer the question. What do you think?
Perhaps greater responsibility lies with the atheist. When we reach out to ease pain and suffering we do so out of compassion rather than obeying orders from an imaginary deity.
This guy kills it every time, he explains something a lot of us think and feel better than we ever could, and leaves us thinking, figuring it out or at least trying to figure ourselves out.
ZERO PROOF OF MOSES, BUT YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED RUBE, DEVOID OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS?
@@martinkent333 is it really necessary calling him a brainwashed rube? whats your point exactly?that he believes in moses? whats your business with his beliefs?
So...you understand what he said? What precisely did he say?
@@Darkenergy104 for him you ca only say you believe in God if you can embody the characters of the narratives of the Bible such as being like Abdhama, Moses, Jacob (Israel) etc. This is not the case for most people as even if they say they believe, they cannot embody that belief. And so it is always a struggle with “God” and here JBP means the Logos/Unity. Basically, in Christian terms if you can be like Jesus. Say what you believe, act on your belief, and be willing to suffer and die on those beliefs.
And then you can say you believe in God.
Edit: What do you think?
@@seanpecson2858 this makes the most sense out of the comments I've read, however that's not what people mean when they ask "Do you believe in God?" They're asking if he believes that God exists, literally. And that's where JP dodges the question because his audience consists mostly of people who do believe that God exists, literally and not as a metaphor or personification of abstract values he has. I think he should own up to being an athiest who finds value in Christian traditions and values. Do you agree?
More than anything else, I appreciate his honesty and raw humility. It makes the concept of Grace so much clearer.. how undeserving we all are, and how much/many professed 'believers' take this grace for granted and with a sense of entitlement, believing that having received of this grace nothing further is required of them. The best sermon I've heard for a long time!
Jordan “it depends on what you mean by” Peterson
Deep and thorough thinking with well articulated explanations is not a thing we honor and treasure in our culture anymore.. and over simplifying is what often leads to so many of the problems we face
@@18Rhapsody That’s a great point. I respect the hell out of Dr. Peterson. I just thought that would be a funny middle name for him.
Well definitions are important people are vague and we need specifics. Someone says "a reasonable amount of time" you need to know what that means an hour a week a year etc. He knows now not everyone thinks like him nor he like everyone.
@@18Rhapsody Very true. And let's not fail to mention a huge part of what gives Dr. Peterson pause when 'grappling' with that question about belief in God, is his very uncommon dedication to speaking truth, rather than just seeking to appease the audience.
"Roughly speaking"
He is searching for a way to believe without falling into ignorance, that's an heroic act if you ask me.
Oh God, this speech was like poetry, his gestures, his words, thank you so much Mr. Peterson!
Lmao
I'm having an anxiety attack that he might knock over his laptop
😆💯❤️
@@JesusChrist-xk9ee jesus what are you doing here?
I was just wondering "what is that laptop resting on?"
😂😂😂
I just wish he drank the water at the end. I know he’s thirsty after that talk😂
In my faith, I've found that it has not been those who necessarily agreed with me who have helped me grow, but rather, those who have challenged me and asked deep, honest questions from a place of critical curiosity, questions I have had to search our myself. It is in seeking the hard answers to the questions of my critics that I have grown in my own faith.
Mr. Peterson raises a valid point - belief implies moral obligation. I think if most Christians are honest, they're honest about how often we fall short of our own ideals. And it's one thing to acknowledge God's grace, to know that we are forgiven for however many times we fail. But it's another to strive for the best, to desire to follow Jesus' example to the full. Frankly, I don't think we can do that without acknowledging grace; otherwise, our tendency would be to give up completely the first time we fail. Grace motivates us, in that we want to please this great God who is willing to overlook our shortcomings and empower us to succeed.
Mr. Peterson, my hope is that you know the grace of God.
Very well said.
Nailed it!
I think Peterson made a long convoluted answer to say "I'm a believer, and I act accordingly to it as much as I can"
Beautifully said
Perfectly stated.
Gf: Do you love me?
JP: well, I have two answers...
Well, what do you mean by love?
JP: I have two answers and 72736287382838 questions.......
In my language your name means mother.. What...
- "im not god"
- "no"
I know it’s a joke 🤣 but if we may take it seriously for a second; if someone is asking you that you ought to ask why they are asking that, especially if you know you do love them- the subtext suggests you did something wrong and they’re cutting to the conclusion that you may not love them at all as a result of what you did or have been doing. Not a simple question at all, in fact, a loaded question... or it could be a wall of insecurity constructed by their life experiences with “love” I suppose 🤔
Heed these words
" Laugh now, Cry Later "
Not A Threat
But A Promise
God Bless and Peace be unto you.
I think one of the wonderful things that we all get to do as a result of Jordan making these videos is to get we get to know and experience what it's like for other people to contend with God and experience this too
While I think this is probably the best example of the fear of God being displayed in Jordan Peterson, and the fear of God that is lacking in many a Christians life, I think the one thing he may be neglecting is both God's grace and His mercy. There is a level of confidence as a believer in God that His righteousness is what saves us, not our own. Would love to hear what others think.
I agree! Though I do believe that Gods grace saves us from death, and grants us the gift of being resurrected after death into eternal life; the quality of that life will have something to do with our obedience in this life and whether or not we truly and honestly repent for our sins, thus bringing us both mercy, grace, and also justice. Just my thoughts :)
I do not believe in God simply because there are good and bad chtistians, and the belief in God does not indicate wholeness. So, if getting on my knees or sitting in a pew helps some be better, thats their choice but it has never helped me be better. I do not believe my fear of God will help me. Nor do I believe that unanswered prayers is good for ny psyche. I believe that the choice is mine and mine alone and therefore I will act accordingly. God imo is a carrot and stick concept and not one that helps me unlock my self honesty. The concept is pretty but I am the single person most scare of religion. Being that my choice does not become my own either out of fear or praise, the decision to think freely and without fear or praise allows me to choose. I never felt able to choose, only delce deeper into dogma until my eyes spun from confusion. And unless you become a priest you won't "really know". If you wanted to truly know then you'de become a priest or a pope and I feel most priests who have little faith in themself chose the path of priest in order to understand to be good only to realize that they aren't, because they aren't despite "understanding" dogma and thus without answers on being whole give up totally and become molesters.
@@oscarbaltodano6457 I didn't believe for several years. Several. So I know where you're coming from. I am only human, so of course I have flaws...but I have an understanding of what it means now because before I had Jesus, I was also a doubter. So you don't have to believe in God to know or feel that He exists. I don't believe in "voodoo dolls" but I know they exist. You mentioned that there are bad people. I'm sure you believe that killing is bad. Which means that you have morals. God is that moral compass. God tells you what's right and wrong, good and bad, but God gives us free will, which is why you're able to say that don't believe in Him because that's your choice. That's ok. Many non believers in the Bible came to be believers after some time. I'm not a religious person anymore. I'm a relationship person. It's my choice to have a relationship God. I accepted Jesus into my heart. My life is forever changed for the better.
heroshyma69 Good for you that you’ve found an anchor of stability in your life, however, I would like to add that many believers have also become non-believers. However, because we humans have evolved to have a brain that is capable of questioning, many can not put blind faith in a religion. One thing that always bothered me was the fact that many Christians don’t believe that the earth is older than a few tens of thousands of years old. Anyways, that’s besides the point, personally, I will probably be agnostic for some time.
@@JoeARedHawk275 Good for you for saying "probably", "agnostic", and "some time" . That means there's still hope. And yes, our brains have evolved and are still evolving. And yes, believers turn away. It's only natural to take the easy road. I knew someone who was sick... And turned away because they thought if they prayed, God would heal them. The thing is, God doesn't always say yes. He has to say no. Just like a good parent, we know that we can't give our children everything they want. I also knew someone that didn't believe. They were looking at life in prison because someone lied, and all the evidence said he was the mastermind. He had two dreams within a few days from each other showing him that if he accepted Jesus he'd save him. He was sceptical at first, but he had nothing to lose right? He accepted Jesus and after 3 days of deliberation, he was found not guilty. Last I heard, He hasn't been in trouble with the law, he has a beautiful family, great career and looking to retire soon.
Simply: Yes
Complex: Kinda
Jordan B Peterson: OK we need to have a talk.
haha. how does this have only 12 likes?
@@strangerthanfriction9016
He never gives a straight anwer is the likely reason.
Oh and he HAS answered the question, he does NOT believe in a god.
nationalpost.com/feature/christie-blatchford-sits-down-with-warrior-for-common-sense-jordan-peterson
"Are you a Christian? Do you believe in God?
I think the proper response to that is No, but I’m afraid He might exist."
All that evasion for something that he has answered.
Ethelred Hardrede that answer right there was complex. He said no, but I’m afraid he might exist’ adding on to that ‘I’m afraid he might exist so I act as if he does’ so I actually do believe in god? It’s not that simple
@@galaxycraftings
"Ethelred Hardrede that answer right there was complex. "
It was one sentence. No its not complex.
"’ adding on to that ‘I’m afraid he might exist so I act as if he does’ so I actually do believe in god?"
Not in that interview. Source please.
" ‘I’m afraid he might exist so I act as if he does’"
Which he might have somewhere but not in that interview. And I doubt that the said the part that you seem to have added in. IF he said that was you wrote then he is driven by irrational fear.
" It’s not that simple"
It IS that simple. THIS is what he said.
"I think the proper response to that is No, but I’m afraid He might exist."
It is simple, he does not believe in a god. He has a really silly fear that he did not go into in the interview. Its NOT complex. Yes or no. Believe on not. He could say he is Agnostic. But that still is not believing in a god. It NOT complex.
Ethelred Hardrede
Best comment on the thread.
I've asked similar questions before, much to the annoyance of anyone who listened me. This is my first time hearing this talk and it is satisfying to hear Jordan's reasoning. These are questions that we should all ponder on
Our greatest strengths become our weakness! Careful, Jordan, we love you, relax, trust your heart, more than your words!
Belief starts when you clean your damn room and then you look at it and it’s clean
Citizen 26079 very convoluted way of putting words together to sound coherent. Let’s try this, rather than breaking it down like cleaning your room is LEGO construction 😂 I don’t clean mine, I appreciate the metaphor. Which, as everyone knows, minus your superiority of course, is symbolic and means do something about and make some order in your world little guy.
ghost robles eff that I’ll be a wax work dude
Parental circular reasoning for the win
"There is a crack in everything; That's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen
I have great respect, admiration, and appreciation for JBP. Not only is he one of the greatest thinkers and intellectuals of our times, but he's also one of the most courageous, humble, and decent.
Perhaps, rather than saying "I believe in God", a Christian should say, "I need God." Jesus warned against pride, self-righteousness, and self-sufficiency. As Peterson has said in other contexts, a person should recognize his/her capacity for evil. The Hebrew prophet Jeremiah put it this way: "The heart is hopelessly dark and deceitful, a puzzle that no one can figure out."A Christian should recognize his/her need for grace and forgiveness.
It's actually what Bible teaches us. We are all sinners and in order to be a believer, you have to admit it. That is means you will always have battle with sins and your flesh, but as a Christians, we suppose to battle it not embrace it.
how can god be real tho and it be up for debate? like wtf if there's a god why are we arguing about it and if i 'talk to god' nothing happens every once in a while i try out talking to god bc i don't want to be left out of that if that's the truth but ig he's just not real :(
TrueNorthPatriot that is really insightful comment.
@@benmiles2039
You are still breathing in and out .
HE IS REAL .
I really like your viewpoint on this. Would any of the Christians on here be offended if people began to say I don’t need god rather than I do not believe. I think one could start an argument but the other is just simple and non-offensive I guess you could say. I might start to tell people this if I think it doesn’t offend Christians.
I hate myself for continually falling short of Yahovah's glory and perfection! I hate that I can't do it on my own! People get tired of me cause I'm always talking about Yahovah. Just 1 word mentioned in a conversation will cause me to think of him! I've always been like this too! In 7the grade the buddies I talked to about it called me preacher Dave. My wife can't stand it neither but, I understand now that that's me! It's just who i am. I believe we are all here for His glory, and that we are created with purpose. No I'm not a "good man"! If I claimed that I was, I'd be a liar! Sometimes fear is our friend. If you pay attention to scripture, you'll begin to see His character, and glory, and notice that He takes a thing like fear, and rightfully use it to his advantage, and for our benefit! He told us that He did not give us a heart of fear, yet He tells us "blessed is he who fears Yahovah"! That's my point anyway! Fear is unholy! But when used by The Holy one, it is righteous because who he is! Remember, "there are none like Him'! I should fear Him more! I truly love Him, but my actions aren't serving others enough! I'm always some kinda addict! Weather it's football games, beer, cigarettes, marijuana, prescription drugs cause, I dont think there's any difference in His eyes between weed and what the law allows to be prescribed! It's ignorant to think they're ok. But I'm Guilty! It seems unfair too. We didn't even ask to be here! But look at creation for heaven sakes! It has love written all over it! I'm so thankful that he willed me and all of y'all to be here too! But he is a righteous judge of men! And when he returns, it's not gonna be good! Daddy's upset with his mischievous children! And when he's mad people die! Which is why his coming is restrained! But the prophecies are being fulfilled, that lead to that great and terrible day! But YES, I BELIEVE! Yahovah's blessings
The difference between other religions and Christianity is this one verse, by grace through faith you have been saved. You don't work for your salvation. Real Christians don't just believe, they know. When you repent and trust in Jesus, God personally changes your heart from one that relishes in sin to one that loves righteousness. This is not to say that you aren't a Christian, I just thought this should be specified
you hate yourself continually because you aren't perfect? there was supposedly one perfect man in history, and we nailed him for a tree for being perfect.....so there's your answer, don't be perfect, STRIVE for being better. that's hard enough
Wake up to reality. Your Jesus is a made up charachter. If anone deserves to burn in eternal hell, it is your egomaniacal genocidal monster of a god Yawheh.
No human being with half a brain and an ounce of empathy would ever believe the Fairy tales of the Bible.
A talking snake, virgin birth, a demi-god walking on water and flying to the sky like Superman??? Please, GIVE ME A BREAK. Your Faith is an embarassment to the entire human species.
The length of your answer says it all. You are narcissistic . It is about you no matter how much you say it isn't. You want everyone to know how righteous you are and how much you struggle and work to be so perfect. When you reply you are not perfect it will prove my point.
Hey there :) Jesus said if you sin you are a slave to sin, but if the Son sets you free you shall be free indeed! Jesus nailed sin/addictions on the cross and we can be totally freed through His sacrifice and by the cleansing of His Holy Spirit !! Are you born again of the Holy Spirit? Jesus said that unless a man is born again he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. In order to be born again (and start the path of salvation) you must surrender your whole life to Jesus and *repent* from all sin. Jesus also said that if you don’t pick up your cross everyday you’re not worthy of Him, and that’s what we’re called to do!
The Bible says that without holiness no one will see the Lord, we must stop practicing sin in order to truly build a relationship with God. Bless you! ☺️🙏🏻
Now, that's what I call a sincere preacher!
”The universe is momentarily focusing its attention into a narrow bandwidth of perception through the wonder of you.”
Liked for the profile pic. Spiral on, brother.
Minnesota Nice that’s good
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We've got the same eyes
I know the pieces fit.
Actions speak louder than words.
Yes. And that's exactly why ... because we act out what we believe more so than what we say, thus betraying our very selves with our own words. There's mention of 'value', or quality, in Scripture as relating to our ability to keep our word, to "hold fast what is good", and The Word is good. In my opinion, it's something we take very much for granted. We act as though words are cheap, yet they are absolutely not.
Exactly!
Speaking is action.
@@Volcanic47 ikr
But neither actions nor words are beliefs. Beliefs are a mental state.
I highly respect this man. So much thought has gone into answering this question. Most of us, yours truly included, would have answered in the affirmative, without batting an eyelid.
Thank you Jordan Peterson for the incredible capacity you have to analyse and go into depth with ethical issues
He believes in the support and care of mankind, he doesn’t hurt people, that’s good enough for me.
So he's just like 98% of the population
has nothing to do with god... religion doesn't care for mankind...
I will pray for you and your family; even if you don’t realize God is with you!!
1:08:00 "As soon as I believed that there was a God, I understood that I could do nothing other than to live for him." --Charles de Foucauld
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Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy:3:7
I love seeing Peterson wrestle with God as he's talking about how the people of God are those who wrestle with God. And I completely agree with Peterson that an "integrated" person, an honest person, will act out their beliefs so that they follow through with what they say they believe. But that being said, with all of his study of the Bible (which is really extensive), he still somehow missed the main point of the whole thing. In John chapter 1:14 it says, "for those who believed in his (Jesus') name, he gave them the right to be children of God." And then a few chapters later in the same book John introduces Jesus as "the sacrificial lamb of God." And then at the end of the book, when Jesus is hanging on the cross looking down at the people who nailed him there, he prayed to God and said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." The whole of scripture is telling us that if we seek to EARN the right to be a child of God before we simple put our faith in how good he is, then we will never actually get there. Peterson said multiple times, "I don't feel like I have the right to say I believe in God!" But this idea of putting your faith in God, faith even the size of a mustard seed that's so small but will grow into a huge tree, is enough for you to gain the RIGHT to become a child of God. It isn't that we earn anything good. The bible also says "for what we earn is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Being a child of God is a gift from him, and this gift of incredible sacrifice on his part should actually motivate us through gratitude to seek to do good in the world. If it is used as an excuse to continue practicing evil then it is simply an insult to the cross and shows that the person doesn't understand how truly serious and excruciating Jesus' sacrifice was.
So, I love a lot of what Peterson said here, but if he could just grasp the idea that he doesn't have to "do good" to earn the right to be a believer in God, he simply has to recognize that he isn't good but Jesus paid the price for his lack of goodness, then he will experience a freedom to do good without the weight of guilt on his shoulders. "All who confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in their heart that God raised him from the dead will be saved." This is what it means to believe in God. Admit that Jesus is Lord of all to yourself and others and believe that Jesus historically raised from the grave through the power of God.
Exactly
I think you missed the point my friend. Thats precisely is JP point in referencing the hypocrisy of those who say they believe in God and dont act that way. His example in the beginning was the Catholic Church.
This too is where classical Judaism differs greatly from this type of Christian theology. Judaism believes in a redeemer and messiah and an atonement through this godly emissary. However free choice granted to us bears full responsibility of out actions done unto God or unto another human, or animal etc...So to just believe in Jesus and be serial killer or baby killing Nazi is exactly the Christian concept he is "wrestling with".....
God bless the world with healing at this time
@@georgeg7258 i hear you, but who is perfect though? and if you believe, a change of heart should follow. but people will still make mistakes. There is no one good but God, all we can do is try our best to emulate it. God bless you sir. all love here.
@@toniartblue6202 Awesome....there is virtue in faith itself and to build from that to manifest in pursuit of goodness, holiness , grace etc...you are right as well....and from a context of Judeo Christian morals with a Psychoanalytic perspective, worse than sexual repression is the "holier than thou" complex. Because you believe in god it makes you better some how ....and i think that was a point JP was addressing ....the balance of being humble and using your god given abilities to make a positive impact......i almost never comment on youtube... I know it can be used as a venting mechanism for a lot of ppl....and it may actually be healthy on some level...but your cool response gives me hope for humanity on the youtube forum...god bless
Amein Brother!
You know tbh....
It's nice to know CZcams isn't just memes and let's plays
Much respect to hear an educated thinker describe the complexity of the question, Do you believe in God? Much of the western world who grew intellectually stopped growing spiritually. Their view of God remains a white haired man with a beard, drawn with crayons sitting on a cloud. Some people grew and are growing spiritually as they are growing intellectually for their whole lives. These two ways of knowing compliment each other like the mind and the heart.
Who will I be if I am my complete and full authentic self if I seek to find with my full human ability? Is that not what God would expect of me? What constraints or rules will I live between? With a rich understanding of the histories of spiritual and intellectual philosophy and psychology growth our expectations can become exceptionally high and seemingly out of reach. We are not gods, we are human.
Jordan Peterson speaks of the difficulty of trying to seek the fullest understanding the deeply profound life changing belief in God. He speaks of stepping into the world each day physically and intellectually with the full weight of all the thinkers that came before him. It could feel like feeling unworthy, and still crawling through mud. For me, I cannot live life under that weight.
I choose to believe in goodness and love, and in my own little humble corner of the world that is God to me. It is enough to push me to the best version of me i the world where I live, and encourages me when I fail. Yes, it seems simple yet it is not, and I cannot face each day feeling paralyzed.
Im agnostic but cant help to find it fascinating whenever he speaks on faith. I just get sucked in. If there is a god then please help Jordan recover back to his physical self
I love this guy. He is so humble and honest it’s amazing. We can all learn a lot from this man.
Humble??? Jordan Peterson does not strike me as humble. His ego is immense, not seeing any humbleness in his personality at all.
@@mikewines7852 it’s not lacking humility to have done your homework and possess the ability to differentiate between truth and shit
@@colepenick5238 the description of humble is: having a low or moderate view of one's own importance. I do not get that vibe from Jordan Peterson at all.
@@mikewines7852 I don’t think it’s necessarily directed inwards. I see what you mean but from my POV he just recognizes/believes in the significance of the message he’s articulated over time-and his feedback on multiple orders of magnitude reflects a validation of his personal conviction. Now it sounds like I’m kissing ass but I’ve heard other things from JP that lead me to believe that he’s not only aware of the potential for him to not be humble, but that he also struggles with reconciling with it just as any powerful man might struggle to do. I mean he literally admits here that he doesn’t think he’s qualified to echo claims of subservience to the highest ideal because of his flawed nature. Now maybe ironically it’s not humble to admit being so self aware, but I just choose to not take it that deeply. I’ve said too much already lol.
@@colepenick5238 ya l can see that. He does seem very committed and dedicated to his beliefs. And l also must admit that in the interviews and speeches of his that I've watched he is consistent and he doesnt waver or back down. And some people do carry themselves in kind of cocky/ confident manner, but that doesn't mean they always have to be a jerk. I have a friend who is a perfect example of that. He comes off as arrogant at first, but once you get used to his style
, you realize that he isn't egotistical at all and that he's a very solid guy.
I appreciate Jordan Peterson for his honesty and personal convictions. He has an amazing mind.
Thank you! I needed to hear a lot of what you said. 💚
His ability to think fast and answer your question is incredible.If I were in his shoes it would have taken me hours or days to think and come up with the same answer.And maybe I couldn't understand the question let alone answering that.I consider him a really genious person
Everyone has the right to believe in God in spite of their failings. By His grace are we saved. Grace.
@@JonathanSmith-ge4pi Well no one is forcing you to listen
@@drakelessner3981 I see you have answered someone called jonathan smith, but i don't see them in this part? Were they deleted from the chat? it makes no sense in the context of Mari Posa's comment?
@@oztuber2 I cant quite remember what the person said. I’m sure it was something negative. They most likely deleted their own comment out of feeling foolish
let's flip that. everyone has the right to NOT believe , in accordance with their belief. "by his grace we are saved" i can't even make a statement about THAT sentence, because i have no idea what "grace" is then...because i sure don't see the "saved" part at all. and "grace" as a sentence doesn't mean a thing to me either....but that's semantics... "in spite of their failings?" what does THAT have to do with belief? i could turn that around too and say no one has the right to believe in god unless you also believe you're not in control of your life, in which case, GET control before you claim "belief"
@@kantraxoikol6914 You don't make sense. If you don't know what 'grace' is, then how can it mean anything in a sentence to you?
What do you mean you can't see the 'saved part at all?
Are you trying to claim that to believe in god you have to believe you don't have control of your life? where do you get that idea from? that doesn't even make sense either.
Of course you can have control of your life and believe in god. You claim a lot but nothing you claim makes any sense.
He is a man of faith. Maybe not religiously but humble and content.
faith is the worst path to truth.. horrid concept
He took that question very deeply and meaningfully. To him being a believer is not just through words or declaration of Faith but full embodiment of that belief that translates into action or life. He answered the question "do you believe in God" in a way that makes sense, and it puts a lot of weight into his conscience. Now I'm curious how he views the belief in Christ who took the weight of what it means to belive in God. And begin to live the burden workout the weight of guilt but freedom and peace with Jesus to carry such burden
What a great mind. His understanding of the statement ”I believe in God” completely overlaps with what I’ve been thinking time to time.
" The conflict of Aristotle versus Plato is the conflict of reason versus mysticism. "
-Ayn Rand-
Waiter: "Can I get you something to drink?"
JBP: "What exactly do you mean by 'something'? Or 'drink'? Or 'get'?
Yes, you CAN get me a drink but do you really want to? Do I actually want you to? What would you get? Do I need it?
By 'get' do you mean 'fetch' or 'understand'? Is it ethically sound for me to suppose you should get me a drink? What are the consequences of your actions if you DO get me a drink?
I really don't like that question."
"...but I'll have a steak, no seasoning or garnish, thanks."
Literally how I would imagine it, lol.
He'll have a lobster
A steak to drink?
@@shoqed Do you suppose he was answering the question, or stating what he wanted? Due to a rare autoimmune disorder Jordan only eats steak and therefore the monologue implies that he was simply ignoring the awkward question and anticipating the next question; "What would you like to eat?"
had a good laugh when i read this
After having listened to the entirety of this video clip, I'm struck with how fascile of a question, "do you believe in God?", Really is, and how much more it says about the questioner?
The thoughtfulness with which Peterson answers or attempt to answer his reluctance with this question should totally shame his detractors who seize on this question as a weakness in his arguments.
In my mind, both the curiosity and the implication that it is highly probable that Jordan Peterson is right now the best and most honest advocate for Christianity as a moral framework in the modern world, are astounding and compelling.
I am truly at a loss as to whether this says more about the state of Christianity itself or the impressiveness of Jordan Peterson.
I'll be pondering on this for quite a while.
Brother. I just realized many people who aren't Christians could be more Christian than even priest, pastors, popes, prophet. You can see Peterson has more fear of God than most Christians. Because, I now can see I never really gave a deep look at what it means to believe in God. It's just not an answer of yes or no. Even the book of James says it. "You believe in God, thou doest well but demons believe and tremble" meaning your belief in God is not enough. Do you live like he exists? A lot of us including me will say we do believe but don't live like he exists.
For someone so opposed to postmoderism JP really makes a simple question that’s very important meaningless.
T H E D O C T O R no it he gives it more meaning
@@areyoutheregoditsmedave Is it meaningless cause now it messes up with your perspective? or is it meaningless because you're ignorant? Most people dont even know if they believe in god cause they actually never sat down and gave it thought. Simple question but yet no one can simply behave like it.
I'll say? Follow your heart. While it is good to have this perspective that Peterson gives and examine things deeper; Usually the answer is quite simple and in your heart.
If you believe God, you'll know it in your heart. If you need help? Pray to God and ask him for help and to show himself to you. He absolutely will in time.
..... I love this! Always in my mind but could never verbalise it. Thank you.
I Believe Mr Peterson is on the journey to find Jesus🙌🏻
I Pray That YOU ALL search
Knock and the Door shall be open, seek and you will Find!
“There is plenty wrong with me that needs to be fixed before I would dare utter words like that.”
For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. - Romans 5:6
So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. - 2 Corinthians 4:16-18
By grace.
I hope everyone finds Joseph Prince on youtube. We are under GRACE now. The OTHER JP shows how the Bible spells this out.
Amen brotha 🙏
"Here to contend with the structure of reality." Damn, this man's contemplation s are so genuine and refreshing. He is being as honest and humble as he can with whatever material he comes across. Truly a rarity.
The honourable Professor needs to keep his personal beliefs to himself. it's just rude to ask him. If you really listen to his work, lectures & writings etc, you can figure it out anyway.
He puts his heart & soul into his work, leave him his peace please.
This is Jordan Peterson pre grace. Considering what he’s been through the last year it’s going to be very interesting to listen to what he means by believing in God today.
God bless you, dr. Peterson
" Faith is the acceptance of ideas without without sensory evidence or rational proof " .
-Nathaniel Branden-
@@BeefT-Sq couldn't be more true
just now we have looked at the most comprehensive way to describe faith in God. I experienced this too. Thank you!
no. the way that make you feel better... why don't you follow Thor... you now the marvel guy... who was way more revered than your god...
I am just a simple man, I see a Jordan's Peterson video, I liked it, and then I have an existential crisis.
İ recommend alchemy of happiness
So do you believe in God
Professor Peterson is a better pastor than any pastor I know
I have nothing to say about Dr. Peterson other than respect and admiration and I am only sharing what I know the best way that I can.
الإيمان قول باللسان وتصديق بالقلب وعمل بالجوارح
Islamic definition of believing in God:
Saying it in words, believing it at heart, and performing it in actions.
Jesus said "why do you call me good?" He didn't say "don't call me good" thats a dangerous misquote
I agree. The quote from Mark chapter 10, verse 18 is: "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone." I can see how one might on a quick reading assume that it means "Only God is good, so I (Jesus) am not good." However, many biblical scholars think, based on what follows and from other verses in the Gospels, that by replying in this manner Jesus is leading the man to a truer knowledge of who he is; that is, he is God and not just a "good teacher" as the man had just addressed him. So it seems that Jordan doesn't use this quote accurately here. In the bigger picture, I think Jordan is just hung up on what "I believe" means. A lot of Christians probably think deep down: "I can't be 100% sure of anything metaphysical, but I will live and act as if God, and Jesus, do exist."
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I caught that as well
He literally says he will paraphrase the quotes before saying them. Allowing the listener to understand he might not get it accurate but his point will remain the same. It's important to listen sometimes, in this case it's the difference between what he's saying being inaccurate and 'dangerous' as you say and being completely acceptable.
@@Mrdionoz it's a bad paraphrase
What a wonderful lecture. I learned viewpoints I've never even thought of. The only thing I might add; "We all fall short of the glory of God". Proclaiming you believe in God is, like he said, a very heavy statement to make. We're held at those standards and work towards them, but inherently we will never live up to them because we're human. That's where grace is so important. And you can't fully break down religion into logic because of faith. Inherently religion requires you to have faith because you'll never have any evidence that proves it. But going back to my original thought, what a wonderful talk.
“I believe in God” is not a proud or arrogant statement. Is is a humbling statement. God bless you Jordan and God love you. He’s blessed you with a brilliant mind.
Still doesn't prove he's real
@@JoJoBeast First, define "real"
@@JoJoBeast The God of an atheist does not exist!
“Thou hast made us for thyself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it finds its rest in thee.” St. Thomas Aquinas This is a beautiful revelation and when you truly find Christ your peace will come no matter what trials come to you! 🙏🏻💕
Real is that which comports with reality.
So, some really crazy coincidence just happened to me. After I watched this video I went to read, and I'm currently reading Nietzsche's Antichrist. What's crazy is, I've read the paragraph where he says: "Essentially there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross". I just thought that this is staggering enough for me to share it here.
Listening while I’m bed I always fall asleep to you (it’s a good thing don’t worry) but that advert half way through ruined my whole night 😊😂
Belief and allegiance are two seperate things. What Jordan described in this video is allegiance to God. That is a heavy responsibility and is shown to be true through the way you live. Just to have belief in God has no responsibility whatsoever, even as the Bible describes, the satan and the demons believe in God aswell but work with all their might to corrupt God's good creation. To truly believe in God and to give your allegiance to Him, is an act of humility. To know that you are a flawed sinner in need of a savior and to trust in the One who atoned for your sins and rose from the dead, is true belief and allegiance. Then once you have done that, you will, as Paul describes in Romans, be conformed to the image of the Son of God. You will be made into a new creation, in the now but also in the not yet, in the age to come.
Raphael Elijah, that’s such a beautiful explanation. Thank you so much for taking the time to write this!
Yawn.
You clearly didnt listen to the whole video or completely missed one of the most uncommon and profound points he made. Listen to it again.
@@bashkillszombies yeah, thats about right.
Raphael Elijah, Very well said. I might add, that actually satan and his demons are know, not believe. Believing, as truly believing, is as you very well said, recognizing and accepting God's will and knowledge, as superior to ours. In very few words, "not by ME, but thru me, with God".The lonely human soul, will find a guiding light. Also very well said was, that IS actually a responsibility.With greater knowledge always comes greater responsibility.
God bless you, I really needed this.
0:24 Personally, I don't like the question (partucularly when it is directed at me by people I don't really know) because I assume that the intent behind it is to pigeonhole me into group A or group B, one of which the person considers "friend" and the other of which the person considers "enemy". So when Peterson says "It's none of your damn business" I don't think of that answer as a cop-out. The privacy issue is justified to me because of the possibility that the question is being asked in bad faith.
i agree, people can choose to answer or not answer any question posed. there can be unforeseen consequences (good or bad) in any route. confidentiality is what any decent psychologist would practice in regards to themselves or others.
It's also none of anybody else's business
I'm blown away by his answer. If I could only articulate like him as my thoughts exactly 💯 😕
I keep watching this video and showing it to others because I think it's really important to understand.
However most of the time I am met with people who really don't want to listen.
I guess I should never cast pearls before swine, but this topic comes up sometimes in my life and I think that this video is relevant.
I can't disbelieve therefore I believe. Too many personal experiences when I have felt Gods presence make it impossible for me to deny God so I seek to better understand.
I could not agree more.
Well said. Simply said. I feel the same.
Amen
Same here. Even when I have had my own personal doubts about His existence, I cant deny the endless works He has done in my life. When I'm in doubt I think about my experiences, and it grounds me in my faith.
@doug nut don't you ever just know things? Learned or instinctively?
I have struggled with the exact same question for a long time. How can I claim that I believe when I often ignore the suffering of others, or even worse, make conscious decisions to sin? In that moment of sin, there is no reasonable explanation other than I have a lack of faith. It's that simple. However, we're all in good company, as St. Paul struggled with the exact same issue.
Unbelievable, mindblowing & astonishing interpretation about what believing in God really means.. wow, how much I’ve learned in 20 minutes… this video will definitely make you reconsider if you really believe in God 🙏 God bless your soul Dr. Peterson
15:42 That is a life fact for me there. He have spoken my words.
Jordan has been one of the few people who has actually brought me closer to God. And I grew up in the Bible belt.
If you study the bible, theology and doctrine it sound completely different.
It took a little while but I'm finally used to Jordan's style. It's simple, he thinks aloud. He doesn't always have pat answers. He doesn't make believe he knows if he doesn't. He has thoughts on these various subjects, and is constantly refining these thoughts.
Right here he eviscerated himself to explain why he's not worthy to claim belief in God. To me it's obvious he does. He has such respect for his personal image of God, and what God's requirements are, moral behavior and such, that for him to create and hold such an image, the energy and thought he's put into it is evidence he believes.
I have no problem saying I believe in God. It comes naturally. But after listening to Jordan speak on the subject, I believe in God still, but I'm questioning my commitment to God. So far in my life, God has fit my schedule. But I've lived simply and been lucky in many ways so that I've not had to go against my principles to get through a day, or week to survive. There is nothing I needed from the material world so bad that I've debased myself to get it. The most extreme example I can give of the condition of debasement is what an addict is capable of doing to get another hit of crack. But like I said, I'm lucky. And that luck, the good fortune to not get in a situation where I become so distorted in being that I offend my own principles comes from a general idea early in life that there is a God with requirements.
So, God has requirements. If we look to religion to know what those requirements are we might find them colliding with our nature. In Islam killing infidels pleases God. I wouldn't kill someone for a trillion dollars. What I'm getting at is I have formulated my own idea of what God desires from me. Desires is a key word.
I'm thinking out loud. My thoughts have wandered beyond my ability to maintain them. 'Desires' is a key word, but I can't explain why. I'll bury myself in nonsense if I try. I don't know what God desires of me. Hopefully it's simple, something like, 'Keep doing what you're doing.' That fits my schedule.
Mide Falegan
made a comment 1 month ago that may help us here - he wrote: "Belief" modifies "Behavior". I take this to mean that "Faith" comes before "Works" (of faith). He who calls upon the name of the Most High must first of all believe that He exists. Hebrews 6 lays that out very nicely.
But our desires, uncovenanted, separated and unanchored in, through, and to Him by our fall into sin through our first parents Adam and Eve, have set us adrift and put us at odds with embracing this much needed faith. Our hearts, adrift, are now deceitful, beyond all measure (Read Jeremiah 17:9). All sorts of desires lurk there now and lure us away from being re-anchored in the Living Logos. Read Matthew 15:15-20, James 1:5ff, and James 4:1-17.
We are reunited, born again, and reentered into a new covenantal relationship with the Living Logos when, by His Word and Spirit, He comes along side us with His eternal truth, and that truth is this: that eternal life only exists in, with, and through Him, and apart from Him we can do no good (saving, enduring, pure) thing. This is because, apart from Him, our untethered desires, often cloaked and in disguise, lead us around by our noses to do their bidding. Hence the apostle Paul's soulful lament and cry, followed by the claim of victory in the grace of Christ Jesus (read Romans 7 and 8).
a better hope is "keep trying to do what you're doing" because we all fall short of the ideal. there's always room for betterment. as for schedules, belief shouldn't rely on any schedule. you LIVE a belief, at least hopefully you do, and not just mouth platitudes...so if you believe, you should act as if you believe, that's far more important to other people then just spouting "i believe"...because most peoples' belief does NOT reflect in their actions. if you claim to be christain and step over the homeless to get to church, then you're not a christain, you're a conformist.
The works of the father is to believe on the son who he has sent. Simple yet profound.
Afraid God exists is the beginning of conviction, next is repentance, then joy that God exists.
see Acts 2:38 for plan of salvation.
seek and ye shall find..when you seek with your whole heart.
you believe in the christian god?
When I heard him talk about the important actuality of belief, took me some time to realize how intellectually insightful, honest, and dismally sober his statement really is.
There a lot of Christians who profess they believe Christ but in their deepest chambers of their heart; Christ don't hold there. So their actions are played out, a reflection of their inner self, and it's not Christ.
What he's saying is that I don't believe God in a literal sense yet I acknowledge there are evidences and good reason that it may be. But before I do say I believe I want to make sure such an important answer be backed up, aka my inner being has to change to one that accommodate the literal belief that God is true from rather than a more comfy and distant "Religion and especially the Judeo-Christian belief system is critical for the individual in a working society".
The latter can be assured intellectually and logically, the other need faith, hope of something that we don't see.:)
Perfect.
Let's correct something here, it's all good and right, but faith at the end (of your paragraph) seems to be misplaced. Faith is heavier than belief. Even the devil believes in God. But I think that what Dr. Peterson describes here is faith rather than just belief.
i love Dr. Peterson! Keep on wrestling with God. i enjoy your process.
hahahaha i love the struggle.
Exactly my thoughts. May he endure to the end and a new CS Lewis type will be born.
@@chaveraoh more like kant
@@Imasheep_baa_baaa_baaaa your comment makes no sense.
Ace Freely well what is a magical mystical figure?
"Even heaven would be hell for a person who doesnt want to spend eternity with God."
So True bro
@@god6927
" after all the Bible does imply that no one is burning,"
It frequently does and I have been told I am going there many times. For going on what the evidence shows. The evidence, in the Bible, shows that the Bible does NOT HAVE the term Hell in it. The original word, MOST of the time, is Gehenna. Which was a garbage dump. Was. Now its a archaeological dig and no one has to die to go there. It didn't freeze over, it got buried in debris.
Ethelred Hardrede
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@Carl Wheezer
I received a notification for a reply that is NOT hear from you Carl. I don't why not but is not here. Even if you can see it. Here is what I got in the Email
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Carl Wheezer
Ethelred Hardrede I’m sorry you’ve been told that you’re going to hell, if I had to guess the main two reasons evangelicals say that is due to either non-belief or homosexuality, and just know not all Christians think that, I REDACTED IN CASE THIS WAS THE REASON THE POST IS NOT HERE and have had my fair share of doubt, and it’s honestly sad to see my own people ruin such a fantastic idea for brotherhood and peace. But on your comment about that the Bible implicitly states that people are burning in hell you gotta remember that a lot of the Bible speaks in metaphors. Plus, there are verses and stories that state no one is burning but simply a prisoner. Look at the story of Jesus’s descent into hell, it’s stated that after Jesus died he immediately marched down to the gates of hell, and when he threw them open it’s stated that everyone from the Old Testament was there, but they weren’t burning but rather were in shackles awaiting judgement, until Jesus released them and as a group all of them marched up to Heaven. To add more upon the idea that no one is burning but awaiting judgement look at 2 Peter 2:4 “For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgement.” So the Bible actually says no one is burning but being held prisoner until Judgement day when Christ returns. As for the term Hell not being in the Bible, that’s true. The term I was referring to when I said Hell is Gehenna. But the Bible implies that only when Christ returns and a person’s name is not in the Book of Life will they be sent to Gehenna.
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" if I had to guess the main two reasons evangelicals say that is due to either non-belief or homosexuality,"
For going reality and evidence. Which results in not believing.
" just know not all Christians think that"
In denial of the Bible at least in regards to non belief.
"my fair share of doubt, "
Well start going on evidence instead of an unwarranted belief.
"But on your comment about that the Bible implicitly states that people are burning in hell you gotta remember that a lot of the Bible speaks in metaphors"
When believers find it convenient clear statements that are not treated as metaphor in the Bible, become metaphors or allegories. Despite the parables being clearly labeled.
"Plus, there are verses and stories that state no one is burning but simply a prisoner."
The Bible has many contradictory claims. Not my doing.
" Look at the story of Jesus’s descent into hell, it’s stated that after Jesus died he immediately marched down to the gates of hell,"
Where did you find that? Its not in the Bible. Just checked. Its not. Its a story made up much later.
" To add more upon the idea that no one is burning but awaiting judgement look at 2 Peter 2:4 “"
Are you aware that most Biblical scholars are pretty darn sure that Peter 2 was made up by someone else later?
"So the Bible actually says no one is burning"
It can interpreted otherwise. The Bible has many contradictions. The most parsimonious interpretation of the Bible is that was written by men. Many men, none of them with any special knowledge. Just like any other book.
Ethelred Hardrede
If it were physical places yes. They are human conception of a state of being, war is hell, bad relationships that go on and on, can be hell, perfect health can be heaven, perfect peace also. What it really is. It is all Divine, animals, grass, water people trees sky. Omnipresence. It's now.
Reminds me of when someone said(can’t remember who), “There’s no one in Hell who doesn’t want to be there”
What a hopeful characteristic for the true people of God! "Those who wrestle with God."
I like Jordan's answer to do i believe in God. Here is mine, When I pray, I try to live my life so when I pray I am only thanking God for my blessings, and not asking to be forgiven. I feel that if I am living a honorable life, then I should have nothing to say to God but thank you.
Jordan: without religion we lose awe and amazement from nature
Me:do you believe in god?
Jordan: none of your damn business
Me:bro chill im confused
He says he acts as if god exists. But then it's annoying when people say it's not a good enough answer.
Religion can not save your soul. Only faith in the son of GOD Jesus Christ.
There is only one God. I can only assume that you’re Christian so do yourself a favour and read the 10 commandments... start with the first one telling you to only worship God. No one else. Just God. Not a Holy spirit or one of his many prophets like Jesus peace be upon him🙏
@@musmaki4109 I couldn't agree more and I'm not muslim but christians would tell you that Jesus and holly spirit are just another aspects of God and then in next sentence they would mention Jesus as son of a God again. It has always boggled my mind and got me in endless arguments with them.
@@musmaki4109 Umm you're a Unitarian if you only belive in God lol, the Holy Trinity is part of the core basic beliefs of Christianity in general
Been an atheist my entire life, and I still am! But this is by far the best answer to this question from someone who seems to believe. I can only respect it, because it's so genuine and "true" in the sense that he's being true to himself.
If more people were like you, the world would be a lot better.
Drug dealers and murderers are also true to themselves. This is why pride is bad. We have to be true to God first, so we are not true to a false belief. Truly pure belief is, belief in Allah.
@@ilaserlaser215 agree with you as christian
@@gustavomelles1 more atheist = more unchallenged evil
What scares the hell out of me is when I construct an argument in my head and it seems solid, at least in theory, but then my own dreams and intuition disagree; I think this occurs because I have a bad habit of ignoring the subjective nature of reality when I'm thinking about certain problems, so intuition and dreams step in to balance out my a priori presuppositions. The dream and intuitive nature always take into account subjective reality--and thank God for that, or some of us might be robots.
" Since man's mind is his basic tool of survival , his means of gaining knowledge to guide his actions---the basic condition he requires is the freedom to think and to act according to his rational judgment ."
-Ayn Rand-
God bless 🙌 Jordan peterson 💚 love and respect from Scotland 🏴