"I'm a Christian and a Marxist" | Jordan B Peterson
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"...I'm a Christian and a Marxist."
"And I thought... no."
I don't know why I find that so hilarious.
Because it was so perfectly delivered, probably
Because it was. I wish I knew how to cut out just that 10 secs , Id use it as a ringtone lol
I don't think JC would agree with Marx on some things... but Jesus WAS indeed FOR CERTAIN a socialist of a different type, and He disdained the wealthy, the Roman Caesars & their corruption, and the hypocrites who were only outwardly religious.
@@bonashiquandapropiciasmith4654 Jesus stated that the rich should take it upon themselves to help those in need. That's philanthropy, not socialism.
OMG it was hilarious!
Jordan Peterson's "no" has to be one of the best things in the world.
TrisT - No
I also love "its something like that."
Yes
Whatever works better!
@@sarahhaugh7922 That's what she said
Prof. Peterson has officially defined a new genre: Philosophical Stand-up!
You gotta see George Carlin
"Clinical Comedy"
"Philosophically Funny" = "Phunnysophically"
"Lecture Laughter" = "Lectgher"
Philosophical stand-up while sitting down 😂🤝
It's even better if you close your eyes and picture Kermit the frog😁
If only Dr. Peterson could have informed the angst which I adopted from George Carlin.. I may not have been so proudly cynical and might have even got off my ass from time to time in my teens.
Peterson's comedic timing on that first 'no' was exceptional.
He sure can pick his no's
@@gravytopic genius
There's a lot of comedic gold in this video.
Yeah that was hilarious
Unfortunately, that first 'no' was birthed out of nearly total ignorance of marxism
Claim- "I'm a Marxist and a Christian." Jordan Peterson- "Hold my lobsters."
I give this comment 10/10 on the dominance hierarchy of comments.
lol
Hes a Luciferian and a Marxist.
Alright, let's see this. Let's have a handy-dandy quiz!
"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up for treasure for the last days. Behold, the wages of the labourers who mowed your fields, which you have kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter."
Is this a quote from...
A - A violent Marxist revolutionary
B - The *fucking Bible*
@@firetarrasque4667 Hidden option C. It's from the Bibble
“[We’re] so full of contradictions it’s beyond belief. I mean, I know this because I read undergraduate essays.”
@Schizo Neo Is it the smartphone's fault? A smartphone is only a tool, and everyone uses it, therefore if the evil was in the smartphone itself, everyone should be incapable of formulating thoughts and phrases, but it doesn't seem like society is in that state yet, despite 10+ years since the birth of smartphones. Also, most people you talk about are people that grew up having a smartphone for at most 8 years, but more probably for 6-7, by that time they should've been taught enough to be able to write in a proper manner (That would probably differ from what the sleep deprived me is writing right now), therefore the problem is not in the smartphone, but in the educators that did poor work, be it the teachers or the parents, at socializing and teaching the child in order to make him a functioning thinking adult, or maybe the child wasn't born to use language to think, rather being more able to work on numbers or pictures.
But yeah, keep demonizing a piece of technology that makes your life easier and that you yourself definitely use a couple hours a day instead of actually having to encounter the burden to think about the real causes of a missed proficiency in language that may or may not actually exist, because you in fact took only a small sample in your "time tutoring college students" and you probably are cherry picking the worst ones while forgetting about the fact that the brilliant ones might have not even needed your help to begin with.
Also, before you try to disprove the argument i presented you with by simply attacking the fact that my grammar isn't correct, I'm not an american, i live in Italy, therefore english is my second language
@Schizo Neo I would say that's the natural flow of how marketing started using psychology to entrap people, even these upvotes you get feed into Yay! attention. But realize you do and also benefit from our society. also dude why name yourself schizo neo kinda not a someone i would look up to wise. icp vibes
Lol !
After 17 years translating high school papers, I am now qualified to translate Linear A
[Thread bypass]:
LOOL
"I'm a thin obese person"
"I'm a tall short person"
"I'm a Christian Marxist"
Words mean things
No, words are the parts of speech that comprise a sentence. Things go skra.
@@trouncerrredits Good luck with your treatment! I know you can heal from your trauma
@@philcooper9225 skeeby dee buh buh.
Im a meat eating vegan
Why is Christian Marxist a contradiction? Peterson didn't explain it either. And also he doesn't understand Marxism himself.
God and this man are keeping me sane through the horrendous times I'm living now. My husband died over a month ago and I'm fighting every day to keep going.
I'm sorry for your loss. Praying for you.
Don't stop fighting. 🙏
So disheartened to hear of your troubled news! My sincerest condolences and I pray for strength and hope for you! 🤗🤗
@@shaneduyvenedewit5197 Thank you
live strong for him
"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate" - Carl Jung
*It's pure ideology*
"If you keep doing what your doing, you keep getting what your getting" Author??
Yeah it's important to think about what you think about. So think about thinking about what you think about. Now I'm thinking about what you think about thinking about what you think about.
@@djquiz6425 You think so?
djquiz6425 thats definitely something to think about
Christian Marxism: Thou SHALT Covet Thy Neighbor's Goods!
How about thou shalt not steal? Don't even get me started on thou shalt not kill.
@@larrydotson2625 Christ never said any of those things
OMFG ... That's brilliant ! Love the inversion.
haha good one
Bullet Anarchy So what's your point? Because Jesus wasn't the originator of those two commandments, it's okay to steal and kill?
"Haven't thought of the paradoxes because they haven't lived them"
That's awesome
****"I'm a Christian and a Marxist"****
The Christian bible: The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat (2 Thessalonians 3:10
).
Marxism ultimately boiled down: The one who is unwilling to work shall work or die, no sit-back "reaping what you do not sow" capitalism allowed!"
"I pledge my allegiance, to the flag"... A Christian socialist.
@@letsomethingshine The workshy won't die if they don't reap what they sowed, i.e. if they don't reap an income from their toil to feed themselves. Out of necessity, they will just start working/sowing and reaping (an income) like everyone else. There's nothing like an empty stomach to focus the mind on what is important.
Note also that the verse says, "unwilling to work," not "can't work due to illness or infirmity" (they should be cared for) or "because there IS no work."
In biblical times when there was no work, people would voluntarily become slaves. It was either that or they and their family would starve. In those cases, slave owners are called upon to treat their slaves well in the bible, i.e. it doesn't condone slavery at all, but where it does exist, slaves should be treated well.
Work is GOOD for people, so in a roundabout way, not feeding the workshy is GOOD for them because it will get them off their backsides and get them to be productive members of society.
Proverbs 6:6
Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!
Ants are busy, ants are workers, ants get things done, ants don't expect to sit on their bony little asses and wait to be fed, ants are wise. Be like the ant.
The bible teaches us to look after the genuinely sick and the widow elsewhere, so they are not left out of the equation.
A person pledging their allegiance to a national flag is a nationalist. Nationalism (the worship/adoration of the nation state) is idolatrous.
We are called to worship the Creator, not created things, which is idolatry. Idolatry is anathema (condemned) in the bible, besides, Christians are not of this WORLD, let alone of a nation state...
John 15: 18,19 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
We're just passing through, but we are expected to be industrious and to work hard in the process in order to set a good example to others...
2 Thessalonians 3: 7~10 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
In short, there is no such thing as a Christian Socialist, the term is an oxymoron, in this case, delivered by a moron...
oxymoron
/ˌɒksɪˈmɔːrɒn/ _noun._ a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction.
moron
/ˈmɔːrɒn/ _noun._ a stupid person.
And before you say that's unChristian, Jesus called fools.... fools and we are predestined to be conformed to His likeness...
Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
So if Jesus can call a fool a fool (which is true), then we can also, in fact we should in the hope that they will come to their senses.
You are misunderstanding Marxism lmao
@@dustyhendrix1218 Two people have posted opposing views and yet you don't offer a single clue as to which one doesn't understand Marxism according to you.
If it's me, the bible is clearly opposed to a welfare state and in favour of personal responsibility, whereas a welfare state is one of the things that underpins a Marxist/Socialist country, meaning that the bible is opposed to Marxism/Socialism. It's not rocket science.
If it's the other person, then I agree, he clearly doesn't understand Marxism.
Oh and your comment, "You are misunderstanding Marxism" (without any evidence) is something Marxists say all the time when their ideology is exposed for what it is, i.e. "Ahh, but that isn't Marxism." lmao
oldnikonian I disagree with you when you say Marxism and Christianity are inherently opposing beliefs. I could quote innumerable verses from both Old and New Testament that call upon not individuals, but groups of people to care for the needy. Marxism is a collectivist ideology that believes society should take care of the underprivileged. Marxism isn’t “give free stuff to lazy ppl”. It’s an alternative to capitalism. This idea of democratizing the means of production to make a just society is much more in line with Jesus of Nazareth than the selfish consumerist one we live in today.
She said: "I am a Christian and a Marxist."
I said: "No."
I love Jordan Peterson
That is a perfectly logical statement if you read the book of Acts. Unfortunately, people would rather listen to Peterson's load of pro capitalist horse sh... while our government sells out to Corporate interests who promote the same. Yet, somehow you jackasses think he is one of us! He is one of them. Zizek is Neo. Peterson is Mr. Smith. Red pill or blue pill!
@@leowilliams6848 There is a difference between the Christians voluntarily sharing what they have with each other, and Marxists killing those who have in order to help themselves to what they are too lazy and incapable to produce for themselves.
Marxism is evil, because in practice it is always established on theft and murder. Both of which are sins in the Christian tradition.
@@GuardianTactician Nowhere does Marx say to kill anyone. Again, the interpretation and implementation of a concept, which in this case would qualify as indisputably grotesque, does not necessarily condemn the concept itself. If you hired a bunch of ex cons to run a bank, it's likely the business would not succeed. Is that because banks are inherently evil? No. That line of thinking is irrational.
@@leowilliams6848 Nowhere does he say to kill anyone, but the community manifesto reports that Engels essentially said that if a revolution occurred, it would be because the bourgeois brought it on themselves and they (the communists) would support it. It said in multiple places that it was all about overthrowing the social order. That's all pretty indefensible from a biblical standpoint.
@@tyronejones4245 Well, if you have millions of people starving while 1% are overindulging, as a consequence of the exploitation of the 99%, this statement would in essence be true. The law of self preservation states that people will do what they need to do, in order to survive. That certainly does not exclude killing their oppressors. In fact, this is a theme throughout history, regardless of the social order. I personally think that the reason capitalism is being sold so hard to the masses, is because it serves as a catalyst for the preservation of the 1%. So, unless you're rich, you're arguing against your own self interest. Now, things may not be that bad now. However, they will inevitably become dire, once artificial intelligence is ushered in. And let's be honest. Even within this pandemic, we are already seeing elements of socialism injected to support and appease the masses. Otherwise, civil unrest will undoubtedly ensue. So, if we truly take a step back and analyze, from an objective point of view, when the wheels begin to fall off the engine of capitalism, it's socialism that emerges from the wreckage. Ultimately, the dialectic must synthesize a middle ground, or there will be hell to pay for the elite. And while you may disagree with me now, wait until you're hungry, or worse, your kids are hungry.
I used to consider myself a Marxist and a Christian. Then I read the Bible.
I used to be a marxist and a christian, now I'm neither.
StrongerthanYesterday Especially when you see contradictions between marxist's ideas and 10 comandments. Look at marxism and then read 1st, 8th and 10th comandment
The Eh Team
No you really weren’t a Christian like many you were just pretending to be one.
You'd have been better off reading Voltaire.
@@leerman22 You were neither then, as well.
That poem by Karl Marx sounds very similar to this one as spoken by God through the prophet Isaiah:
How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
Isaiah 14:12-15
@@markthegorilla profound indeed
Whats funny to me, being as old as I am, is all of this was basically the central theme of Bill coopers hour of the time, defining this situation and naming the players. Its why they killed him in his yard.
Those who don't know the history of this man's overcoming so many crushing events in his life that would crush most of us can't fully appreciate his wisdom.
“I am a Christian and a Marxist.” JP, “Um, no” most hilarious line I’ve ever heard Jordan Peterson deliver. You are brilliant.
Yeah, the way he said that i laughed so hard!
Um...no!
😂😂😂
The thing that is laughable is that you actually can be christian and marxist. You can be atheist, agnostic, hindu, muslim, buddist marxist too.
Now we have these right wingers that believes that if you are christian you MUST think in a certain way and CAN'T have a certain ideology.
Reactionaries coming out to play...
@@The80sWolf_ You lefties have really lost the ability to think and also to listen. I know it's been pounded into your brain that everything is subjective and there is no truth, so of course Christianity means nothing to you and you fancy you can rebrand it as you wish and call yourself anything you wish. JP explained quite well why marxism and Christianity are polar opposites, but since you missed it: If you are Christian then YES, YOU MUST THINK IN CERTAIN WAYS, otherwise call it something else because we take our faith seriously, unlike you who take absolutely nothing seriously going by your inane comments.
@David Tomyn They don't believe in truth now. How insane is that,and how do you even deal w/ such people? it's no wonder they are so confused and constantly contradict themselves. It's also no wonder they are so angry, rageful and are getting increasingly dangerous. No truth, no absolutes, no boundaries, just completely unmoored. They demand this and think this is good, all this freedom they always go on about (just not for you, you white supremacist facsist, no freedom for you, not even speech) and yet being so absolutely untethered to a point we can't even relate to them anymore has to be something akin to those deprivation tanks they did all the experiments w/. It drove some people quite mad.
@@The80sWolf_ Please give is evidence of a Christian Marxist.
Simply asserting something does not make it true
"Communism is the meth of the masses". ~DR. Jordan Peterson.
Ironic seeing how unaffordable meth is
@@johndoe2006 coke is better
He said, if Religion is the opium of the masses, then Marxism is the methamphetamine of the masses"
@@zonunralte4742 He also criticized the use of the term opiate to describe religious beleifs. Maybe prosperity preachers are opiates, but true believers are the detoxers of the masses. Setting you free of your addiction to any drug or vice. Setting you free from the prison cell of sin.
@@sarahnerd1950 True
Outside the boundaries of the mathematics of economics, one of the fundamental failures of Karl Marx, his vision for society, was his profound lack of understanding of human nature in its many facets. It goes a long way to explaining how the constructs of his system eventually collapse.
He also had the ridiculous and simplistic idea that society divided into two groups; the oppressed proletariat and the oppressing bourgeoise.
It's a really, really stupid idea. I believe it is one of the reasons we have so many ....ists and .....isms floating around these days. Unfortunately cultural Marxism has taken hold in many countries and most especially academia. This means many post graduates now working in media or government have unconsciously absorbed Marxist thought and they are constantly looking for victim groups so their Marxist theories make sense. If there is no oppressed group it must mean Marx is wrong and that creates a cognitive dissonance that they find uncomfortable so they go looking for, and find, the oppressed and their oppressors.
@@johnrandall125 wow..never thought it that way...really cleared my mind as to why media would always try to push these narratives...do u believe in a secret society or nwo type, world leaders and bankers secretly controlling the world?
@@vza7938 The Bilderberg group is real enough. Of course the Davis group and G7 or G8 meet openly. I am not much of a conspiracy theorist, butI do believe that birds of a feather stick together. It is easy enough for wealthy and powerful individuals to agree to act in their mutual interest.
Ok, but who really understand human nature. We have Jung with complexes and now have Near Death experiences telling us were not sinfull, so ??
@@alexgoldstein2428 Psychologists and some economists?
"Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist." Quadragesimo Anno - Pope Pius XI
flabiger: I am fairly conservative and a big proponent of capitalism p, as I believe it to be the most fair economically, but the idea that Christianity doesn’t mix with different economic structures is purely incorrect. It is an incorrect limit on God’s power, and essentially falsely condemn millions of people who God ordered us to reach for His glory. When you look in the book of acts the early church was founded on communistic principles. Each gave all they had to the church and took as each needed and God killed those who lied about their giving.
To clarify: there is a big difference between Marxism and economic structures. Marxism attempts to define morality and economic structure
@@stevenlubbers7236 I would agree that you make a good point about that. However, I would also say that the early Church isn't quite the same as an entire economic system. It was a small group of individuals who were on the fringes of society that didn't have too much of an economic impact on the Roman Empire. Also, the giving was based on an honoring of God's call to give charitably and His command to go preach the Gospel. There was a mission they were given. Socialism doesn't have a mission besides to provide everyone equal outcome.
Brando550 as I said, I believe capitalism is the most fair and just society for imperfect people
You also cannot be a good Christian and a Catholic at the same time.
"I'm a anarchist but I also believe in big government!"
@@histsap I hear something like this more from someone who holds some savior complex. "They" are an anarchist but others are not up to the mental stage so in the mean time, they need a protective government. It is pretty common in different forms. I think that was part of the distaste for Catholic Priests before protestant became a thing.
Ah! Another Libertarian Party infiltrator, no introductions needed.
Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.
@@histsap damn, you beat me to it
lol- you find many of these people in Germany, unfortunately
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan
Which one was the genius Marx or Reagan ?
Bullet Anarchy both
@@bulletanarchy6447 well, one was the president of a nation. The other one was a lazy evil person. www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/karl-marx-was-pretty-bad-person
@@ilikemetal2910 There were a lot of lazy evil people in 19th century, it was in fashion.
@@bulletanarchy6447 yeah, but we shouldn't base our economic system on one of those people's ideals
"Poetry exists on the border between the dream and fully-articulate wakefulness." That's extremely insightful.
Man, if I would have had him as one of my undergrad profEssors.
An intellectual with perfect comedic timing. I call that music to my ears.
I call that evil millionaire giving speech to stupid, poor and uneducated audiences
Like the late George Carlin minus the constant obscenities.
@@Timisfree The Rich Young Man
…20“All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?” 21Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” 22When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.…
Search "breakfast from hell" on CZcams if you haven't already. It's like a comedy routine!
@@Timisfree I am trying to tell if your comment is comedic or not..
I didn't know Peterson did stand-up 😂
Add to that while sitting down.
Bravery is not a function of firepower
because truth is funny.....lies (Lefties) are unfunny
This is exactly what I thought lol
"And I know this, because I read undergraduate essays."
What I learned from this video: Marx was that edgy kid from school nobody wanted to talk to
Pretty much. He hated the poor workers he pretended to care about. Reminds me of Hitler too.
@@blameese How so?
Bro what is your pfp
@@junkers4567 pope shaggy hitler. Thanks for asking.
@@blameese please explain how Marx hated the poor worker? His entire life’s work was dedicated to helping the proletariat rise over the inherent exploitative capitalist. Also Hitler was not a Marxist or even left leaning, quite the opposite Hitler was a right wing dictator.
He's basically giving a lecture on the "human condition". But the way he paints these things out usually has me staring at a wall for hours.
It's pretty deep.
I love your reference to Albert Camue (if you refferenced his essay)
08:29
ahh yes trouble is better than boring.
a concept that dostoyevsky and my ex girlfriend know very well.
Good on you for making her an ex then.
Made me chuckle
Why was "dostoyevesky" boring?
You didn't beat her enough or, worse still, not all all. When they behave become bitchy, whip the bitch. It is the fact and frequent practice, and not necessarily the amount of force applied, that is decisive.
😆
A patriot this man. He has my respect.
Mr Peterson, God bless and may you be shielded from any harm. The world needs you. Humanity needs you, I should clarify.
You may want to take a look at Resurrection Europa's videos on Peterson. He's a marxist globalist who works for the UN and Rothschilds. Peterson is controlled opposition meant to control the right, and keep them from becoming a threat.
@@ladyylva2492 that is probably the most stupid thing I've ever read.
@Lady Ylva ummm no...
@Rick O'Shay I think he'll be saved. He's a good man.
@Rick O'Shay Aren't beliefs in one's mind? I thought the heart was for pumping and filtering blood? What am I missing here?
Imagine having Dr. JBP rip apart your twitter bio for 22 mins 🤣 He’s the best. ❤️
RIP in peace 10 times over haha
Van Badham deserves it!
To a live audience
"Marxism is the meth of the masses" Golly, I love JP.
Oh my God, the relief I felt when it wasn't him saying it, but some random person
I know! I've been avoiding clicking on this video for 6 months, because I didn't want to see him pull one of those weird 180s that seem so common in the _"Skeptic Community"_
Wow you guys are really scared of communism huh
@@ThePeanutButterCup13 If you aren't scared of the ideology that was singlehandedly responsible for perpetuating the deaths of over 90 million people in the 20th century alone, then you are either very naive or very cruel.
@@DarkCyberElf If you think an ideology involving the dissolution of class, private property, and the state is responsible for that, rather than the people advocating for it, I'm not going to take what you're saying seriously.
@@ThePeanutButterCup13 If you think a revolution based on ending the alienation of labor does not also alienate the people fighting for that revolution in a simultaneous way, you fail to see the fundamental and inevitable flaw that comes from such ideologies. You don't even begin to understand what you're peddling
"You know I believe Stalin revolved around himself quite nicely" 😂
I thoroughly enjoy Jordan's verbage and timing; a worthy commentator.
...worthy of what?
@@sarahhaugh7922 concocting word salad in such a verbose manner that idiots think it makes sense.
@@thorgunderssonn3457 then you missed the joke
Is Marx more like Sherlock Holmes or like the pre-Copernican Aristotelian cosmogonists? In that both believed the sun revolves around the Earth.
I'm going to guess that by "Marxist" she meant "communist" and believed everyone should share everything in common. Which is a pretty solid New Testament idea until you get into the ugly real-life details of how communism in units bigger than immediate families virtually always pans out.
On a side note, I want to add a degree of nuance to the statement at 12:26 that in the Judaeo-Christian tradition there's no group guilt. This is true in the sense that I think he intended it, but not in a broad sense. I think he basically was saying that the race or class of people you were born into doesn't automatically define your standing with God. For example, just because you were born an Ammonite doesn't mean you're inherently guilty of the sins of other Ammonites and can't personally live a godly life; or just because you're wealthy in a time when God is fed up with the shallow and abusive practices of the upper class doesn't mean you can't personally be generous and altruistic and favored in God's sight. Which is totally true.
It's also true though that there are a lot of occasions in the Old Testament where Israel paid dearly for tolerating the sins of the people--even individual people's sins could result in mass plagues etc. There is a sense in the Bible of group responsibility to maintain a culture of faithfulness. The Bible takes place in a collectivistic culture and definitely bears the characteristics of that collectivistic cultural mentality.
Well - no. Sharing in christian communities was voluntary. You could always leave the community.
Sharing in communism is obligatory.
@@nidhincherian2766 1. Has Jesus promises the Republic in Heaven or the Kingdom of Heaven? (Matthew, 3:2)
2. Read Matthew 20. " ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money?" - and now try to tell me a christian could approve trade unions.
@@nidhincherian2766 Exactly. It is a fallen place because of socialism. Because of an ideology which puts one people against others.
Socialism and all its forms are made by Satan.
I find your comment really interesting. It is a fair point, the Old Testament does bring up the group mentality idea. But, as you also said, it is rested on a group responsible base which reminds me of accountability, something that until today we are coming to terms with. Being the government, enterprises or our neighbors, it still permeates our society the want of accountability in people.
@@Pinky.Meerkat there's a magic speech of mr. Jordan Peterson in which he says something like "We humans are social beings. We are going to unite, be that for better or for worse. 5000 years ago, a new idea emerged with the jewish people, and got consolidated with christianity later on. The idea that we must unite, but under the banner of the individual."
"Marxism and Christianity are opposites." Thank you Dr.Peterson!
@@AlfredMorganAllen interesting and thought provoking.
Our law is mocked by Bible. Marraige is twix man and a women. Well, there goes a national healing. Murder babies, ok? Did Dems delete wives obeying, yet?
Go ahead scoff; try to get God's ear.
No, they are not. Jesus Christ was a socialist - he helped the poor, gave free healthcare and free food, and was against the tyrany of the Roman Empire
Believers are called to live in peace in whatever political style of society they find themselves in. It's not about politics. Its about righteousness in the Holy Spirit.
@@user-gk9pl6vl5v Jesus wasn't political. He didn't take from the haves and give it to the have nots. He encouraged all to look into their hearts and share with their brethren and He led by example giving freely of Himself.
There's nothing strange about being in two contradictory states at the same time.
Yours truly
Schrödinger's cat
@eric haase and didn't eat the poison
An outcome is not an idea
As long as that cat stays in the box, it's fine.
Or Pavlov’s dog....
@@joshjohnson2600 Schrodinger's Cat is about the superposition of multiple possibilities existing at the same time. That's why its relevant.
The words of my very intelligent teacher will always strike my mind: "Marx is very appealing to young people, unfortunately"
The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
@Carlos Gonzalez Not especially. race only signifies which part of the world your ancestors are predominately from.
@Carlos Gonzalez He's entitled to his opinion but the race struggle is somewhat retarded and optional the class struggle less so.
@@bulletanarchy6447 ok. What is the solution to that? Is it communism? Because that results in not only class struggle but the government who ARE the rich people enslaving and murdering the poor and makes any one who commits a crime untouchable.
@@emperorpigbenis8766 There are numerous problems with communism, the biggest one being it is not compatible with existing regimes thus there is no way to implement it without pissing a lot of people off.
As for your assessment of what communism is yeah sure if you believe the constant anti communist propaganda coming from the people it would piss off. So basically the argument is that communism is bad because the resulting struggle, paranoid national security and foreign sanctions/insurgency. Oh yes and the rich government enslaving the poor people and anyone who commits a crime untouchable.
5:39 kinda interesting/funny to see him mentally trying to figure out the best descriptive word and physically playing it out
If not knocking over a laptop was an Olympic Sport.... haha. --- the more I hear Peterson I love hearing him. His word choice and delivery is compelling.
It's amazing how he didn't knock down his laptop. He moves his hands and arms so often.
JP looks really animated, and simultaneously focused. He pauses to think and check himself yet his ideas clearly surprise and energize him.
He's got skills! lol
I worried the same for him too!
It might be the camera perspective fooling you. In some cases it is difficult telling the closeness on a 2D image. Most of the time he seems to be closer to it than he really is.
I'm glad it wasn't an Apple.
Cain: I told God I hate reality
Karl: hold my manifesto
I find that poem at the end rather heart-wrenching. Perhaps I've misunderstood it. But it seemed to me to be the lamentations of a person who's given in completely to hate and despair. Going as far to say that even if better times were to come along a break him from that place of hopeless hatred, that time itself would see him returned to it.
I can't imagine living a life viewed through such a mindset.
I’m truly happy this man was born and blessed with the platform to educate so many people.
0:43 "She said 'I'm a Christian and a Marxist.' And I thought...
"no."
Marx's Poem: "'I shall build my throne high overhead"
Satan: "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God"
Sounds about right.
And that throne is all the suffering, treachery and death brought about by Marxism, socialism, communism and fascism.
Marx definitely accomplished what he set out to do. Good job you son of a bitch.
@True WingChun Satan isn't a real person
@@bulletanarchy6447 Prove it.
@@oldtimergaming9514 It's quite interesting that Marx said that I wonder what he meant.
Crap. Satanism is individualism, socialism is the opposite.
*_The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function._*
~ F. Scott Fitzgerald
I think it is to consider not hold.
That's why wisdom trumps raw intelligence.
Anyone else’s anxiety up watching Jordan wave his arms with the laptop hanging on the arm of the chair xD
Schrödingers Laptop
Yeaah I couldn't help but notice too
yeeess
I was cleaning my room while I was listening to it so I didn't even see it :)
Well, it wasn't until you said something......lol
I was looking for a video with a levitating laptop, and I finally found it.
That glass sure is clean.. oh it's on the arm of the chair.. 😅.. good optical illusion
JBP exhibiting Mindfulness
@@dalgron Haha it looks like its floating!
@@dalgron what glass? i only see a laptop on couch's arm rest.
@@pizzarolls0012 yeah.. I was lost in the illusion and trying to rationalize.. a second look showed me the armrest
...because I read undergraduate essays, so... Precious!
I immediately thought back to any essays I had written in college and thought, OH NO !! What the hell did you write !?!?
I hope I never wrote that bad a paper as an undergrad.
Well, shit. Lol
@@puddintayne9254 I definitely did write bad papers as an undergrad but not without knowing they were bad.
...so you were perfect from birth! Interesting!
I'm not a Marxist and I'm a horrible Christian but I've always looked up to you for sound psychological advice. One of the things I've always appreciated is how much sound information you can deliver per second per word, I must say even though you have delivered some very great information in this video it's probably the worst one I can relate to, I think that maybe it's just good to know you're human too. Please don't let popularity cloud your commitment, we really need you. You have worked your ass off and delivered so much free information to people so even if you quit today thank you. My brother-in-law owns The institute for behavioral change and my sister you know she was into psychology and it has caused nothing but conflict for me I went straight into the Marine Corps and got the hell out of Philadelphia and I've been nothing but a drunk for 20 years 8 years ago I cleaned myself up, this is the short version, my life wasn't a total waste I promise you but why I did what I did and why I felt when I felt I just find so much peace and understanding in your lectures. If you start turning into a circus Guy this is going to suck even more than you know. At the end of the day my own recovery which part has to be a better civilian which sucks by the way is not based upon your lectures it's based upon my own balls and backbone but your lectures give me a structure of information that I've never heard before and it makes total sense. Think you're awesome please keep it up.
Good to see Dr. Peterson in such great shape. He was on fire that evening. He even had comedic timing on top of his usual brilliance.
Peterson's style of speaking reminds me of Richard Feynman. They both have a lot of energy, humor, thoughtfulness and respect for people, while reflecting on the absurdity of some situations.
I love how he isn't even trying to make anyone laugh, it just comes so naturally. I don't care if you hate him or you disagree with him, or me, because that's beside the point
3:44 And....Thats how a laptop fell in love with J Peterson.
Is he stimming? I know everyone does it a bit, but
@@bobtheduck Pretty sure he does it often, with other people it might have looked more....t a r d y. But i dont mind people keeping their hands busy when talking heavy stuff. His laptop doesn't mind though :D
@@carmagadon11 As I said, everyone stims to some degree. If he's actually on the spectrum, he's not "t a r d y" at all. He's clearly of above average or genius intelligence. Autism affects communication and relationships, not intelligence.
@@bobtheduck Truth spoken, and dont worry about me mentioning him stimming. It isn't to put the good man (JP) into a negative light. I myself got it with my legs I cant keep still when sitting, and I can toss a twitching eye after a cup of coffee to top that of. T doesn't really need the diagnose of autism at all :). But yeah, autist can have their li\l spasms.
'you love them , and maybe you even like them '
REALEST SHIT EVER .... when I catch things like this that I know are true it makes me trust him even more
I remember I used to play a city building game on my computer when I was a teenager. I used to make perfect cities with no homeless, disease and everyone had high wages. I got bored of the utopia so I destroyed every caused problems just to fix them 🤷🏼♂️
Thank you Professor for helping me hear clear arguments to the nonsense I hear all day.
He is such a wonderful thinker but he ought to have provoked verses from the Bible and asked her why she believes that. I love Peterson but he missed the mark on this topic at this point in his studies.
I'm so glad Jordan came back and touched on this again. When I was watching that QandA video I thought it was absolutely hilarious when she said she was somehow both a Christian and a Marxist, and I was somewhat disappointed that nobody had the chance at the time to comment on it much.
Also even more hilariously, according to her Wikipedia page she's ALSO an 'ambassador for the National Secular Lobby'.
??????
18:00 "If you had to pick someone who seemed to revolve around themselves it would be a pretty decent competition between Mao and Stalin, and that didn't seem to be for the best."
Jordan has a gift for understatement which I find very amusing.
I love Jordan, he's so interesting! I sincerely hope he's doing better.
Matthew 26:11 "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
Deuteronomy 15:11 "For there will never cease to be poor in the land."
John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
The Scriptures make it abundantly clear that there is no perfect society in this world. Utopia belongs to the next life, not to this one. Thus, trying to achieve an earthly utopia is not only delusional, but dangerous, considering how easily utopian ideologies justify violence, repression and mass murder of those deemed to stand in the way of achieving heaven on earth (whether the label applied to them be racists, reactionaries, fascists, counter-revolutionaries, etc.).
EDIT: this isn't a call to inaction when it comes to (genuine) social justice. Obviously we should help those in our community who our struggling, as much as we can, and do our best to make our societies as fair and equitable as possible. But we shouldn't expect to be able to "immanentise the eschaton" through our own efforts.
Yes sir!
Alan Macphail shut up boomer
Religion is the problem . keep paying to support the pedophiles your churches hide and support
@@alanmacification define always you clown
Wow what an amazing statement. You combined theology and logic in a way I've never been able to! Wonderful, logical, and inspiring. It's sad that people's opinions and ideas are so twisted and disgusting that they find it necessary to haunt you with hateful words after being so kind as to share your thoughts with us. If a wise man screams and shouts his opinions in an attempt to teach others then his title will quickly dissolve. Anger is clearly not the way to wisdom. Good wishes to you!
Thank you Jorden .,I love to hear you speak your so knowledgeable you make me think !!
My brothers could always beat me in an argument in my teens because they caught me in contradictions CONSTANTLY. I'd get so frustrated I'd cry and do things like shake a salt shaker on my oldest brother's head or throw a whole cube of butter on the floor and stomp off and slam the door to my room. I was rendered speechless and impotent by their infallible logic.
I'm a genius and an idiot!
marxism being the stupid part yes
That's more realistic than Van Badham's claim, since we CAN be a mixture of both of yours but not hers.
Well, congratulations... I think... 🤔
Guffaw! Good one!
That's not a contradiction. As long as it is not on the same topic. An AI that win against the chess world champion is a great example. And there are several human examples as well.
Also...
Marx's poem sounds an awful lot like a variation of Lucifer's views.
If I'm correct he wrote satanic poems and was a Mason.
@wings of a butterfly It is not to his credit that he would reject his Creator and benefactor.
@@chrispena8186 damn near everyone of influence post-enlightenment was a Mason
🙌100%! Thank you! I thought I was the only one that they shared the same 4 points.
Fallen state
@18:50
Reminds me of T.S. Eliot "poetry communicates before it is understood."
What a unique glimpse of insight into contrary thoughts. I got some reading to do…
Every time I hear you speak dr Peterson, I feel more gratitude in my being.
Thank you
When he just says "no" I always crack up. Usually it's in response to such a ridiculous idea, that he cant even formulate a response that makes sense. When Dr Peterson says no, you know you've failed completely
He lays out such complex ideas so efficiently and understandably, and that paired with the integrity and truthfulness of the ancient virtues he preaches is what has earned him a spot of global fame
complex? he says things we all say just with more words if you dig into it
I was having a conversation with some friends, one of whom is relatively leftist in thinking. We basically came to the conclusion that not only is Communism the antithesis of Christianity in that it believes the general man to be inherently good while the Bible is pretty explicit in that the general man is inherently corrupt. It is also a religion in it's own right, but more of a cult than a traditional religion. You are not allowed to question or seek information outside of the Communist belief system.
Bradley McDaniel Christianity teaches people are born in sin, or flawed and it is up to the individual to redeem them self. Not all sins are corruption, but all corruption is sin. Communism is a corrupt ideology.
That’s a black poem. It’s dripping with resentment, with eagerness and glee at the prospect of destroying what he can’t be, seething with hatred. I don’t think I’d want to meet someone who could write something like that as a true and serious peek into what they hide behind their mask.
Vulcan 14 ? Who are you talking about?
@@ipancham9980The poem written by Carl Marx. Peterson read the poem.
To me it sounded like a narcissists dream of ommnipotence.
"I know this because I read undergraduate essays"
Priceless!
Jim Deiner that was so funny and surprising to me, I snorted! Classic statement.
Getting an essay back graded by JP must be a humbling experience
Imagine someone saying they believe in Marxism and replying, “so, you’re a narcissist?”
Well, that's pretty much the gist of it. 😁
Of course, they will instantly deny it, throw a fit and launch a barrage of accusations your way. Like all true narcissists. 😏
"WE DEFEATED THE WRONG ENEMY!" Patton was murdered for speaking the truth
@Amber Hoke - Problem was that by then, too many collectivists had already seeped into US culture; they would have never let Patton continue.
@@_Patton_Was_Right - Please quit with the cutesy symbology. I mean ALL collectivists, including assholes who want to point at some ethnic group as being "the problem."
You will have to fight the commies on your own territory because currently in Russia they are less then 30%
@Steve McQueen so what exactly is the relationship between Jewery and freemasonry? My grandfather was a Mason, and would always talk highly about Israel, which always confused the shit out of me because he was a Baptist, and the Jews killed Jesus.
collective mindset is the true reason of rampant corruption and as well this so called deception.
Van Badham: "I'm a Christian and a Marxist". To which I say, Van, that better brains than you have tried that idea and they have never joined up because they are diametrically opposed.
@Mary Smith ...which is why Van Badham is nothing more than a typical stupid sheltered workshop idiot who is completely divorced from reality
Richard P “each shall sit under their own fig tree”.
This is the picture the bible paints of the new kingdom under God. It’s funny, because the Christian view of the new world actually sounds Marxist. Almost like Marx was trying to posit a way it would happen naturally without God.
The early church was also much closer to communal living than we are. Selling all that they had and sharing it together. Just something to think about. I am not a Marxist by any stretch, but to say they are “diametrically” opposed is just a blatant lie or a misunderstanding.
Luke 3:10-11(NIV)
10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.
11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”
Acts 2:44-46 (NKJV)
44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
And perhaps the most telling verse of the early Christian lifestyle. Markedly different than the consumerism of todays Western culture.
Acts 4:32-35 (NIV)
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
@@lukericker8325 Think this: Jesus Christ took a race-based religion that had God's blessings in it, turned it upside-down and made it faith based and therefore open to everyone who believes. In so doing He launched a movement of people who were and are united to this day in propagating His message - through Word, literature and culture. His was THE successful revolution. All others are counterfeits.
@@Angrybogan The problem is you think Jesus Christ that did that when actually it is a story of political and intellectual convenience and compromise.
@@bulletanarchy6447 To what problem do you refer? Jesus Christ's kingdom is heavenly, not earthly. The body of believers to which I refer above, will always have human frailties in it. No one os disputing that.
What I object to is the false and foolish belief that Marxists like Badham can amalgamate Marx and Christ. It cannot work.
Nonetheless Western "Judeo-Christian" civilisation (itself an artificial term) is the best civilisation we have had, ever.
Where can one see the rest of this video/lecture? Thank you in advance
Someone commented I’m a christian satanist! And I think that’s a pretty close analogy! Thank you Jordan for turning that bs into a constructive talk!
yes he just is brilliant!
greetings from Swizzerland!
Whew! He didn't knock his laptop of the chair arm.
The most sophisticated roast I have ever seen 😂😂
"If you tickle a baby rat with a pencil eraser it laughs." (ultrasonically)
-JP
"Paradoxical views that are not made conscious will be played out in the world as fate"
That's one of the most thought provoking phrases I've ever heard, and it's completely understandable. Great stuff.
God Bless JP - May he get through his present storm victoriously, with God's blessing upon him.
I think if I had to write an essay to this man the anxiety would be so high I would contradict myself out of sheer panic.
This whole bit is amazing. He’s both hilarious and enlightening at the same time.
This bit in the poem by Marx "I shall build my throne high overhead" 21:10 reminded me of this bit in the Bible: "You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high" when it talks about Lucifer. (Isaiah 14:12-14)
Nailed it entirely.
Brilliant man, brilliant mind ... one of the 21st Centuries great minds
He repeats ideas of other greater philosophers(and some he himself has come up with), but the way he puts those ideas in words are truly amazing.
...makes you think, then we all go back to sleep!
and i thought "no" .................i've NEVER seen such a short word mean so much ....you're AMAZING JP!
Ohh, the insight and humor as well. This man is a treasure for humanity.
Hahaha, "You could just crush them!".
"Bread and circus". Wow!
The thumbnail looks like he's giving his knee a hearty slap.
"Aree-hee-hee-hyeaaahhhhh!"
Or about to chop the laptop in half to prevent future stupidity from leaking out
Hahahahaha
😂
07:08 'who likes starvation and misery'? - well Stalin certainly liked to bring it about as did Mao and Pol Pot.
Ohh and African countries…
Free access to any lecture by Dr Petersen is like find buried treasure. God I love and thank you for this giving man. 🙏🏻❤️
"And yeah, there was heaven, but the chances you were gonna get in... man, that was low."
*Uproarious laughter*
I wonder how well Jordan knows his own Bible.
Jesus made it clear: by your own efforts, your chance to get into heaven is exactly zero. It can't be done. This is indeed a very depressing realization, and not an 'opiate' at all.
But Jesus also said the only way to get to Heaven is to realize the above, and beg for mercy from God, who will forgive you and grant you eternal life. This is the promise and guarantee of Heaven. It's not based on what we do, it's based on what he did to rescue us from Hell.
Benjamin Brooks there is a few more requirements than begging, but yes, it does require much tears and sorrow fullness for the wrongs you have done in your lifetime.
@@godefroydebouillon1440 faith is the substance, good works are the proof, like the receipt of purchase at a store. That is why apostle James said "I will show thee my faith, by my works". It means faith is the prerequisite, without which good works shall not manifest.
...it can take a lifetime, indeed!
Shorter answer:
Marx: Abolish all religion and all morality
Bible: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength
Goodnight everybody
TLDR;
Mar - not god not morals
Christ - love every body
More like this.
Marx, discipline is bad and only we know what is good.
Religion, you need a higher power to be good.
Both try to say that humans themselves are bad, but how humans are bad changes.
Basically, both use stollen valor and guilt tripping to control others.
Except we are all damaged. Christianity reassures people they are that but that they also have fragments of good and a consciousness. Marxism is just disgusting
Fun part is Marx is dead
@@caramonmajere2530 Fun part is Marx died long before any gulags or revolutions saying he is responsible for atrocities is as weak as saying capitalism is responsible for Hitler.
If to be successful means to do what you were born to do than you are one of the most successful persons ever. We are blessed through you ! 💝 Thank you 💖
I like the fact that he is most of the time brutally honest 😂😂😂❤️