STW #34: Beyond the Mat
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- On this episode: What happened when the WWF let cameras roll behind the scenes for a documentary that had a global theatrical release?
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" then you have this chiropractor from mortal Kombat..." Best line of the show
😂😂😂😂😂😂just love when bruce does the heyman impression lol lmao
Sound more like bertam from family guy or the poison switcher from princess bride more than Heyman hahs
I love this show.
Cornette and Vince impressions are the best.
I like watching along with Bruce and conrad
well goddaaaaamn
Dennis Stamp would have made an awesome Royal Rumble surprise
10:47
On behalf of everyone, thank you. :)
Thank you
"There goes my hero"
And they say that a hero can save us....
I'd say it, but, you know....
I love this episode, it's one of my favorite ones. I remember dying to see Beyond The Matt when it first came out. It was such a big deal & a must see & still is one of my all-time favorite wrestling documentary.
How much experience do you have with shit-house rats to be able to make this comparison??
I finally own a copy
The impressions make these podcasts great. Thank you guys for keeping me entertained at work ✊🏼
I know this episode is 5 years old as I type this, but I'm new to STW, and just began watching WWE wrestling again after about a 6 year hiatus from watching wrestling. This episode was so well done by Mr. Prichard and Mr. Conrad. I remember watching BtM back when it first came out. I had not seen the actual '99 RR live, but had read about the amount of chair shots Mick Foley received. It wouldn't be until WWE Network came out that I actually seen that match and my goodness was it tough to watch in full. Mr. Prichard says at the 1:50:15 mark that Rock may have seen the cameras and didn't want to be seen onscreen checking on MF (paraphrasing here). But when I watched the match again recently before listening to this podcast, Rock is actually breaking character on camera asking Hebner--after the first bump in the electrical area--if he's (MF) okay. Then Rock goes back into character after he realizes Mick is okay and they go on with the rest of the match. I also want to say that I agree 100% with what Mr. Prichard said MF kept feeding Rock and that was telling Rock that Mick wanted more chair shots. The match itself was as Mr. Prichard said, BRUTAL. Great episode STW.
The first few hundred STW episodes are gold.
In regards to Dennis Stamp, wrestlers don't retire, they just stop getting booked.
That's poetic
That "I Quit" Match between The Rock & Mick really was brutal. I remember watching that PPV thinking that Mick was going to get killed for real. All those chair shots were the real deal, The Rock was not holding anything back what so ever. I kept thinking that each shot would be the last one & The Rock just kept going & each one seemed harder than the one before. I don't know how Mick was able to take all those shots to the head like he did. He is one tough prick.
He should sue Rock for 100 million because it wasn't supposed to go that far.
Fuck Rock after watching that and i thought the world of him at first. Hulkster should've gone over The Rock at WM 18 and turned good when The Outsiders came in and started beating on Rock when Hulk told them to let him take care of it but punk ass Rock won and WWF turned into the now sucky WWE.
Mick has a helmet inside his skull
Bruce impersonating Funk made me spit my beer out 🤣🤣🤣
Have you heard him do Corny? You will cry laughing
1:20:24 His retirement lasted less than a fortnight, Funk appeared in FMW 11 days after his retirement match
1:16:05 i love Bruce doing Funk impersonations
Just watched it today so listing to this is more wrestling knowledge for me lol loves the show keep it coming guys 👍💯🎈💪
14:21 Vince Eating Water was hilarious
This was one of the first DVDs I ever bought after getting my first DVD player which I believe I got at some point in 2000. That was back when they came with a voucher sort of thing for several free DVDs. The comic relief, Dennis Stamp, died nearly three years ago.
MELEKH HA OLAM no he didn’t, he died in 2017
@@bizzzzzzle What fucking year was it three years ago?
The Sony DVD was like $999 and the Panasonic that I got was like 799. Should have waited a year or teo
1:19:09 You go out on your back, looking at the lights...
Did anybody inform Bret of that...Montreal was only about 6 weeks away at this point
Hey conrad im from North Platte Nebraska and I remember that show... believe it was spring/summer 99. It was a pretty big event for our midsize town at the time. I love how they have my town in the Doc. Love your podcast guys, I listen every day, congrats on the success
Ps... you're not missing out on much in North Platte😂
Get a life...you think that he's actually going to read this and get back to you? Or that he gonna be happy to hear about your hick ass, cousin fucking town is doing?
Great podcast and thank you both. I saw BTM when it showed early in Memphis.Real cool in the theatre
Best podcast on the planet! Thank you Gentlemen!💥
18:58 I remember asking my parents to buy me one for my birthday lmao I’m pretty sure I still have it somewhere locked up in with all my old childhood collectibles. It was cool back then considering I was only 13 in 98 😅
Such a great documentary. Loved this and Wrestling with Shadows. It would be cool if they followed up and showed how everyone is now.
Sean H I enjoy wrestling with shadows for all the back stage footage but God damn does Bret love tooting his own horn for and hour and a half 😂
bingbangboozygetinthejacuzzi I’ve seen it twice, once in my late teens when it aired and last time within the last 5 years. Loved in the 90s but was sour on it the second time because of this very reason
He's gonna PUUUUUKE!
Give me a bloody break. Your advertisements, I damn near peed. I love you guys. Cheers mate.
I think a '69 GTO is the sort of thing I would have thought HHH would have driven back then.
2:15 video starts
I rented beyond the mat on VHS from my local video store at least ten times, iirc.. classic
i used to carry drugs and weed around in a beyond the mat vhs tape box
I used to do drugs, I still do but I used to, too.
Cause it was straight dope?
If I was a cop, thats the first place I wudda checked. Lol
@SammyNoNo I LOL'd
@tapset47 I consider it an homage since it's one of his jokes that a lot of people will know. They'll get that it isn't my own stuff - I'm also not profiting at all off of it, financially speaking. When you retell a comedians joke to some folks at a party is it stealing? I think it's an interesting question.
Love your shows guys.... As a radio and podcast presenter myself and big old school wrestling fan
In regards to Paul Heyman, Bobby staid this about someone years ago, and it describes Heyman to a tee, "The man can sell a ketchup popsicle to a lady with white gloves"...
Loved listening to this. Why am I only discovering these lol. If I was going to ask a question to Bruce it would be about Steve Austin, when rock is talking with Mick and he comes over and says hello. And Mick asks him how he’s feeling. He says terrible. I want to know what was going on with Steve Austin at this time ... easily biggest star at that time, I know neck issues where there. But I dunno he seemed proper depressed.
::head down:: my mom bought me the austin motion sensor frame. Thing used to scare the shut out of me. Walking in at night and have Steve yell at me..
carbonsilkthread “God damn son! You’re a disappointment ya son of a bitch! What!? You’re a disappointment. What!? Go to bed ya miserable piece of trash.”
Scared the "shut" out of you?
chrisAITN oh hell yea man, the shut would just pour out
Would love one that said "what?"
@@chrisAITN you ain’t never shut yourself before?!? Lol
His impression of Corny is awesome
So happy for Jake
Partied at college with Mick Foley's son Dewey. Awesome kid, I'm sure the whole family is stellar..
By party you mean you two had a one night stand and you guys pink socked each other right?
@@st.louismissouri3312 That's odd you took what you did from that.
@@MissterX yeah mr x I had to read between the lines but I understood what “joe” meant…
Dad is a r*tard Biden voter actually
Bet he loves cocaine
10:03 if you want to skip all the bullshit
The independent wrestling parts were the best and most interesting parts of the movie for me.
The third guy to do a Chef Boyardee commercial was Kane. His commercial was quite unforgettable.
HE'S gonna. HE'S gonna!
Damian Cross PUUUUUUKKKKKEEEE
Well... you know...
I like how Vince kept saying "huh" "You gonna puke, huh" "huh"
i love how that's the introduction lol
I keep wondering how you guys keep getting so far ahead of me during my watch-along. Then I realized that my copy of Beyond the Mat is the extended edition.
I am rolling at "he's gonna puke..." and I have seen it a thousand times
An art house release, is a commercial theatrical release, just a limited one.
The best expose of the dark side of high profile athletic entertainment is "The Chinese Stuntman" (1981), a "Kung Fu Flick" written and directed by, and starring, one of the best known--and most ridiculed--performers in venue: Bruce Li (actually Hé Zōngdào ). It also co-stars Danny Inosanto as a heavy, for you real fans of the fighting arts. Totally worth watching.
I’ll say this about Roland Alexander, he may or may not have been shady idk I’ve never met him but his company is one of the best indi wrestling companies I ever seen. Countless stars trained there, legends and superstars have passed through. I’ve seen Jungle Boy wrestle some of his first matches there, they always show their respect for past wrestlers I could go on and on, APW is the shit I love going to their shows
"IAM NOT BOOKED-Dennis Stamp.........
I don't blame Rock at all for what happened at the Royal Rumble. I blame the creative team but mainly Mick Foley himself.
David Butler how do you blame Foley?
David Butler mick wanted the kids to be there to make rock look even more heelish. Having said that Rock should have just went with the intended plan.
David Butler at least rock wasn't being like new jack and border line trying to kill mick 😂
bingbangboozygetinthejacuzzi Using his kids to make the rock look more healish? That's even more retatded. Rock couldn't stick to the plan because mick kept jumping up and running at him. If that was me I'd assume my opponent wanted another chair shot, especially someone who's crazy enough to handcuff them self. It's embarrassing when mick blames rock for that.
If that was me, I would humanely consider the set number of chair shots pre-match and resort to combat instead of weaponry after five shots, even if Foley still went to his feet.
Didn't wwe bring in Mike modest in like 2003-2005ish with like 3 other guys,one was called the vanilla gorilla? They were on a raw and smackdown a hand full of times I wanna say?
@@MCLogikILL you tell em tough guy
@@bostonsportsfan9128 Corny-Voice: "Motherfucker!"
The Kane Chef Boyardi commercial was great
I feel like the world 🌍 desperately needs a Beyond The Mat 2
1:26:41 that is a completely justified reaction. The Hollywood comparison is a classic example of whataboutism . Its something children do. "It happens in Hollywood so us wrestlers shouldnt face any criticism". Also the conversation was related to wrestling, not Hollywood so its a half assed throwback
Does anyone know if any management ever approached the rock over excessive chair shots ?
Foley told him to do it
18:55…✋🏻I had the motion sensor Steve Austin face in 4th grade haha! I was a total mark for anything WWF in those heady Jakks Pacific days.
Fukin rite!
Vlbllv"ç++
Mick's daughter crying ripped my heart out
😢 Doug
Wuss
It disgusted me. Mick and his wife used their kids as props so she could be on WWE TV, part of the TV storyline...because in the arena, the documentary crew simply showed the same stuff WWE filmed.
Mrs. Foley was especially gross...the antithesis of a good mom, which likely explain why the daughter is so desperate for fame and the son can't separate fact/fiction having public nervous breakdowns over booking decisions.
@@78bcat she was crying with the kids bro. She was just as worried
Jake doing shows for crack is insane 😂 glad he’s doing better 👏👏👏
Macho man @ wretlemania 9 asked if Luna Vachon was a “is it a whorse or is it a what?” Not sure if it was edited for the network.
I'm listening to this on Spotify. It says it is from March 3, 2017. According to his wikipedia, Dennis Stamp passed away on March 13, 2017. 💔💔💔
15:50 Did he say "there's people around the dable"?
No one cares ... dipshit question
What had just happened that they are hinting at in the beginning???
Where can I find the I quit match between Mankind vs Rock on this video?
Dailymotion usually has (blurry) uploads of anything.
@@Lysimachus thanks
WWE Network for better quality lol
Bruce does a pretty good Joel Gertner
What is it with the audio glitches in this podcast. Every episode there's always a couple seconds of feedback or silence that cuts out vital information to the conversation.
In 2016, Stamp announced that his cancer had returned. He died of lymphoma on March 13, 2017.
I literally JUST got done with watching Beyond the Mat for the 5th or so time.. AFter watching the Mankind/Rock match where the rock hit Mick in the head with a chair a bunch of times and then seeing Mick backstage after with his family (his wife asking what time is their flight to check his memory etc etc) honestly guys, as bad as this sounds as an older wrestling fan (since 1998) till now, i'm VERY glad they stopped those unprotected chair shots to the head, Maybe im getting older and more squeemish, but those chairshots to the head are fucking ridiculous, they should NOT EVER be doing that :(
Lol at 1:57:00 . Conrad takes every opportunity to twist Bruce's words etc and correct him yet the one time Bruce does it to him he gets whiney
1:57:22.👍
@@evolution031680 thanks brother
People actually blame Mick for that. You shouldn't blame Mick at all, people assume there were only two possibilities. Either they do the five chairshots they agreed upon and get up the ramp in time, or they don't get up the ramp after the five and Rock just HAS to lay into him until he does. Do you know how fucking ridiculous that sounds when you actually think about it? Here are some alternatives:
1) Contact Foley directly and see where he wants to go after the five.
2) Get the ref to see what Foley wants to do.
3) Pace the chairshots out so the last one of the five is delivered right before exiting the stage as planned.
4) HIT FOLEY SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT THE FUCKING HEAD.
5)Thrust with the chair instead of swinging it.
6) After the five, don't use the chair anymore and kick, trip, punch, etc.
These dilemmas in wrestling SEEM hard, but they really aren't. You can do ANYTHING. If you bother to watch the fucking match, you'd see that in the aisle way Foley PRESENTS HIS BACK TO ROCK - FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME - which in that context is the international wrestler's sign for "hit me in the back with the chair". Rock SEE'S this and WAIT for him to turn around in order to lay into him with the chair once more in the skull. RIGHT THERE is where it became Rock's responsibility. FOLEY HAS LEFT HIS BODY IN CARE OF THE ROCK - THE ROCK, LIKELY DUE TO INEXPERIENCE, TOOK LIBERTIES BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. It was Rock's fault, end of fucking story. At the MOST CHARITABLE I could be, I could see it being a joint effort because that's where the initial miscommunication happened, but the liberties taken afterward are ALL Rocky and to say "It's Foley's fault" is so hilariously ignorant I'm surprised those morons are even prevalent.
Times changed 1:31:20 lol mafia captains have podcasts and CZcams channels. This must be good some good scratch that you earn.
Beyond the mat paved the way for marks to feel entitled to get up here and act like they know what the fuck they talking about.
That is why I didn't like this movie. It basically created for those smarks to act like smart asses and think they are all that.
“Is it a whore or is it a what” is the best I can come up with when MM is talking about Luna ....
Should have been the mick Foley show
the original photo they used of The Rock on the 1st movie poster
really befuddled me as a kid.
anyone notice road dog kiss a dude when mick is walking with noel down the hall after the royal rumble match with rock?....
Yeah, wtf?
Meh. It’s a bunch of dudes that said their career should involve greazing themselves up and pretend fighting with other guys every night. Let’s not be shocked when we find out that some of them like dudes.
films fuck you for using "meh" you little snowflake
@@SupaStah01 lol what
Sadly Dennis Stamp passed away in March 13, 2017
Mething Wrestle 😂
I really don't get why Pritchard is so fixated on the fact that they felt like they were lied to about a documentary getting a theatrical release. It's a documentary about a multi-billion dollar industry. Ron Howard is a element in the creation of this. Did they really think that all that effort would go into a documentary that would not turn the Creator a lick of profit? Let's be honest. If the movie was a more glowing representation of wwe, if there was little to no focus on the unhappy side. He would not be complaining, or if he would, he would be complaining that they did not get to see some of that profit.
As for the terms and conditions of the documentary changing as it went on, again, what did they expect? The guy comes in with the expectation of doing a Rags to Riches story, and in the course of getting his footage he finds out a lot more than he bargained for.
And as for him supposedly being a jerk to miss McMahon. By that point, Vince is telling him that he will do everything he can to bury it, Vince is prohibiting him from getting any further footage with his assistance and doing everything to obstruct him, and when he screams the video for a hostile audience and she bad mouths it, I think he had a right to be irritated and fed up at that point. As he and Bruce both separately say, there was a lot of footage left on The Cutting Room floor. There was a lot he could have put into that movie that he chose not to for a variety of reasons. He showed the ups and he showed the downs. He showed the sensitive side and he showed that theatrical side. And here she is complaining when he could have chosen to show a full warts-and-all approach. So I don't blame him, and I think it showed tremendous restraint that he avoided doing a documentary about Vince because based on the footage he had and the conversations he had he could have made Vince look really bad
You guys did rumble 94 but not WM X?????
that's more of a statement than a question
And pooof just like that your comment is irrelevant. You’re about to be bombarded by “actually guys” guy who wants you to know that STW has done WMX and will give you the link the date it was aired and the time stamp the show starts.
@@evilsWa 9 months later and no one has done it.
1:05:00 That remark about Hunter and Chyna was inappropriate, especially when they know Chyna is dead.
Love
Roland looks like how if feel after Indian food and a bottle of wine.
Paul E. Is a master verbal submission artist, he doesn't really win he just ear beats you till you give up. It's like trying to hold your breath against a Navy Seal
I’ve seen the directors cut and the rock is checking in on mick after the match
Yes idiot
I was at the ONLY "PINK SLIP ON A POLE MATCH" in WWE history
That must have been a Russo Match. Remember all the "pole matches" the WCW had after Russo went there? The Viagra Pole Match & who could forget the famous Judy Bagwell Pole Match?
Good for you. Literally, nobody cares.
Dennis Stamp passed away a month prior to this video being posted.
Damn Kyle
Mick Foley & Terry Funk have had to be at the top of the " toughest wrestlers " in the business.
Neither one would ever win a toughest guy competition or MMA but never lose a fight.
Covered in tacks,rolled up in barb wire fall 15 feet onto concrete and just get up and shake it off...I would soon meet Brock Leasner in a dark ally at 2am then these 2.
YOU ARE RUINING MY PUSH, BRUCE
Great Bruce is back in wwe
you know UNDERTAKER is the only major star not to get a DVD documentaries on their entire career...I bet Vince is gonna make an actual movie about his career..
Corey Shelp i hope he gets a blu ray set . a three hour doc would be interesting
Documentary does not mean "no theatrical release"
You tell Bruce all about production, mr hollywood insider. He only worked making tv for like 30 years, what does he know?
Cane Dewey.
Mike Modest is the quintessential "wrassler" that the smarks love. Just some guy in tights who did a cool move and has "indy cred". LAME.
Fantomas no. He just didn't have the right look
Medication....now. You're on a rampage.
Fantomas well said.
Nah. Mike was an excellent wrestler who had excellent psychology. That's a big reason why he got to wrestle for NOAH. I saw his tryout match for NOAH at the old APW Garage against Donovan Morgan. It was about the best possible match you can see for a 6-7 minute tryout match that told a good story. He also had some good tryout matches for the WWF, but they were too busy going after guys like Nathan Jones and Kurrgan.
The problem for Mike was that he wrestled in the wrong era. If it was the territories, he probably would have caught on somewhere that valued workrate or in Japan back when Japan paid really well. If it was today, he would have caught on because of his ability to work and his size would now make him a 'bigger wrestler.'
But in the 90's, WCW & WWF were all about size and in particular height. ECW could have been a choice, but it had gotten lost in the hardcore stuff at that point and they weren't going to fly him in from California. Plus, Crash Holly's experience in ECW probably ruined anybody chances from APW to go to ECW at that point.
@@richiehunt5097
Shawn wasn't that tall bret wasn't that tall Austin wasn't that tall hell Rick flair was only 6ft he coulda went to wcw there was a few big places to go
I’ve watched the I quit match back many times and mankind kept walking at rock like an idiot, rock understandably thought he meant hit him again. Muck foley is great and funny but he’s also not the sharpest knife in the drawer
The rock showed he’s a complete narcissist who would do anything to further himself at the expense of anyone else. Rocks the idiot who was happy to hurt his “friend” so inhumanly
So your telling me he deceived Vince imagine my shock Oy vey lol
Granted Vince has had his own shady business practices it is pretty shitty of Barry to use the wwfs biggest stars and make it theatrical instead of a documentary flick as intended.
8:21
Weather they were fair to Jake or not doesn’t matter now. He’s doing well for himself now.
junior galu yup. That's all that matters.
It absolutely does matter.
In particular, if they misrepresented Jake's actions, or purposefully put him into no win situations of which he could never come out looking "good" then that is at the very least highly immoral and bad practice, and at the worst plain lying, which is the exact opposite of what documentary is supposed to portray. A documentary should portray an honest depiction of the subject matter. And if they really fucked Jake over here they could have literally cost him millions of dollars. Jut because he is clean now, that shouldnt suddenly mean that "oh it doesnt matter if some guys fucked him over in the past".
I'm not normally petty, genuinely I'm not, but for his animal abuse convictions, the child abuse he's admitted and the way he's exploited god for profit, i just can't forgive him.
Kids, animals and god, 3 things i don't like people abusing
the whether sucks today
What kids did jake abuse? That’s a new one on me.
PriTchard's impression of the Funker is awe-some. His Corny, not so good.
Bruce is really good at some of those impressions, they are actually hilarious at times. His Cornette impression is fucking awful, so awful that I want to turn it off. Please Bruce retire the Cornette impression, it's chillingly bad.
I enjoy his James E !...It is a parody,and always used sitorically...He is accurate in his enunciation of MOTHER-..Trucker ! ...Tis has become my new fav podcast .Great for long-time fans like me....Didnt just start watching retro stuff on network or CZcams ...Fans my age (45) really LIVED through these topics..Been watching any territory I could ever watch since 1983...Bruce's knowledge and incite are like no others out there ! One of the few that can call "Bullshit" on claims made by fellow performers,Vince,and Russo"Bro" ! !
Go back to Cornette in the 1980s his voice was pretty high in those days. His Vince and Dusty are really good too.
Fuck you bitch
I wouldn't say his Corny is BAD, rather a bit over exaggerated.
"He's gonna he's gonna, he's gonna . . ."
"Glarrrrrgh!"
Clunky
Love Bruce Pritchardson!!
Miga
She was macho young
its normal for documrntaries to change to fit the story that energes. it happened to the best docu ever: king of kong. i respect cornette more than pritch but he's obsessed with kayfabe to a fault.