Warhammer 40k Battle Ad Mech vs Black Templar Championship Finale battle Report.
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- čas přidán 28. 12. 2020
- We shift gears from the hijinks and hilarity of the Consolation game to a more serious affair to crown the Season 2 Champion. Game faces are on and the gloves are off as these two forces vie for control of the coveted gate and the right to access the secrets within.
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2020 continues to be a challenging year for many and we feel blessed to have still been able to make content and do what we love. To share this blessing we are donating $1,000.00 to a Charity of the Winner of this Game's choosing.
We thank you for your support this year and hope you enjoyed 40k in 40m Season 2 and are looking forward to Season 3. Watch to the end of this video to see what may be in store in 2021. Thanks for watching!
STEVE
Battalion - Black Templars
HQ: Primaris Captain-
- Master Crafted Power Sword
- Storm Shield
- Warlord - Iron Resolve
- Relic - Sword of Judgment
HQ: Primaris Chaplain
- Litany of Hate
- Canticle of Hate
- Hero of the Chapter (-1 CP) - Front Line Commander
Troops: Assault Intercessors
Troops: Incursors
- Haywire Mine
Troops: Incursors
- Haywire Mine-
Troops: Infiltrators
Elites: Terminator Assault Squad
Elites: Invictor Tactical Warsuit
Elites: Invictor Tactical Warsuit
Elites: Bladeguard Veterans
Heavy Support: LR Crusader
- Storm Bolter-
- Hunter Killer-
Heavy Support: Eradicators-
Total: 1735
TAK
Battalion Detachment Adeptus Mechanicus
Forge World Choice. Forge World: Mars
+ HQ +
Belisarius Cawl: Mechanicus Locum, Warlord Trait (Mars): Static Psalm-Code
Daedalosus
Tech-Priest Manipulus: Magnarail lance, Warlord, Warlord Trait (Engine War): Divinations of the Magos
+ Troops +
Kataphron Breachers
. Kataphron Breacher: Arc Claw, Heavy Arc Rifle
. Kataphron Breacher: Arc Claw, Heavy Arc Rifle
. Kataphron Breacher: Arc Claw, Heavy Arc Rifle
Kataphron Destroyers
. Kataphron Destroyer: Phosphor Blaster, Plasma Culverin
. Kataphron Destroyer: Phosphor Blaster, Plasma Culverin
. Kataphron Destroyer: Phosphor Blaster, Plasma Culverin
. Kataphron Destroyer: Phosphor Blaster, Plasma Culverin
Skitarii Vanguards
. 3x Skitarii Vanguard
. Skitarii Vanguard (Arc Rifle): Arc Rifle
. Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine
+ Elites +
Sicarian Infiltrators
. Infiltrator Princeps (Flechette/Taser): Taser Goad
. 4x Sicarian Infiltrator (Flechette/Taser): 4x Taser Goad
+ Fast Attack +
Pteraxii Skystalkers: 4x Pteraxii Skystalker
. Pteraxii Skystalker Alpha: Taser Goad
+ Heavy Support +
Kastelan Robots
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster x3
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster x3
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster x3
Skorpius Disintegrator: Belleros Energy Cannon, 3x Cognis Heavy Stubber
Skorpius Disintegrator: Belleros Energy Cannon, 3x Cognis Heavy Stubber
+ Flyer +
Archaeopter Stratoraptor: Chaff Launcher, 2x Cognis Heavy Stubber, 2x Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Twin Cognis Lascannon
1,750pts
MB01KJRGTPBQG4F - Hry
Things did not go as well as we hoped! Let us start with that. And, to everyone who has invested valuable time with us we wanted to first thank you and provide you information on what happened here, as well as assure you that we are reviewing all comments, listening, and planning for change in Season 3.
We have received a lot of comments about the table design. After sky base we started to really push more narrative and this blinded us to a few issues when it came to terrain set up. We prioritized the aesthetic over the function.
For Championship in particular all the tables were designed prior to playing any Championship games. So, the show producer was not aware of who would reach the final. Could we and should we have made adjustments once we knew what armies were playing. Absolutely yes! But, what is done is done and this is what we can do moving forward.
After this game the team set out to change things. Prior to this episode releasing we have elected a member of our team to have the responsibility of managing tables and terrain with a goal to have them hit our cinematic standards while also being great for gameplay.
We aim for tables and terrain to be vastly improved for Season 3.
In terms of lists. The parameter was fun and what we had access to over balance, as we prioritize sportsmanship and genuinely just enjoying the game. In single matches we can control balance more but in a Championship we don't know what the match ups will be. Nick for instance really wanted to play Kroot and had plans for how that would work but never got a practice game in. Tak played a variant of what he had played earlier in the season because that is all the Ad Mech he had, and, the Ad Mech were part of the story. Neither player played practice games, an issue with COVID-19 restrictions. However, our goal is to create super entertaining content and if that means we just have to play more, we will play more.
We had an aggressive goal of 7 releases in December. That left little time in our schedule to adjust on the go, or fix something we knew didn't quite hit the mark. We needed an end to Championship and here it is. If anything it is an opportunity to learn, to listen to you, and to grow.
We do not modify the outcome of dice rolls and situations to favour storytelling. All that is done in pre-planning and once the dice starts to roll it is the game as-is that you eventually see. This can lead to affairs like this one. But, we can always pre-plan better, set-up the tables better in the hopes of the game being better for it.
We thank you for watching Season 2, and hopefully being a fan of the majority of what we do. For those that were felt wanting after this episode we apologize and ask for your understanding.
From all of us here at Play On, Happy New Year! We look forward to seeing you in 2021.
Though there were some balancing issues this season you guys still did a great job! I think I speak for everyone when I say despite the results of this season it was still very entertaining and these are without a doubt the best batreps on youtube.
I love the whole series, and must admit I primarily watch for the aesthetic and sportsmanship! (it's just a great reminder of how I want to enjoy 40k). You guys have beautifully designed tables (and really stellar editing on the videos). The new stuff you have in mind sounds like a really well thought out set of modifications, but I still thoroughly enjoyed this video (despite any perceived mishaps!).
Steve is also my 40k role model (a guy who just seems to really enjoy the process of playing 40k), though everyone on the channel is lovely. Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate you putting these out, and think you are a very positive influence on the hobby!
Geez, i'm pretty sure you hoped in a more balanced final match, but sometime things don't go as planned. I am used to organize apocalypse games (with 40k rules, not the apocalypse ones), but back in the days for my first game i used a GW scenario to avoid problems... it was totally unbalanced and we realized it while playing. So i don't blame you, the passion you put into this championship was evident. I also really like the short format, frankly i cannot stand 2 hrs batreps.
I'm fairly new to the channel and you guys are already one of my top 3 favourite batrep channels. Even with the odd goof up on the balance of the game like with nicks tau for instance it's helped change my thinking on list building and various strategies during play.
Amazing work and I hope next year will be even better
Don’t be too hard on yourselves guys. As ever the players were amazing and even if it was a rout the table and armies were beautiful. One miss is pretty impressive considering you consistently put out some of the best content on 40k CZcams!!! Here’s to another year of Play On!!!!
Okay, so here’s a quick recap guys.
First turn roll off
Steve: “please don’t fail me nooooow”
Tak: “aright let’s see what happens...”
Steve: rolls 1
Tak: rolls 5
Steve: “bad news...”
Tak: “that is bad news.”
40k in 40 seconds!!!
*cue Imagine Dragons music*
Considering the direction of the game, I kid you not I have NEVER seen someone win going second turn in a competitive setting like this. Not unless dice just hate that person for the entire game.
Confirmed, less balanced than chess.
hahaha “that can’t be one robot”, welcome to the Admech Steve
can't wait for that Nerf bat :D
Yep
That's insane. Only Tyranids are allowed that.
18 shots for 1 unit seems OP
@@DavidM-um2uk it was one model I believe cause he had 3
Well, that was just a straight-up massacre... like damn
That's why gw is putting a effort in removing reroll bubbles and gunline missions. It was really unhealthy in 8th edition
These guys should have had slightly more terrain
I'm just starting to think Steve is not very good
@@BADAB0O0O0O0O0M good at the game, refuses to bring meta lists, which is refreshing
@@BADAB0O0O0O0O0M even with my limited understanding, having an open field game with a cqc army versus a gunline, who the fuck do you think is going to win?
All ot the championship games have been really disappointing. Most are decided on turn 1.
Did you know, the Adeptus Mechanicus' spelling of, "Mercy" in Binary code is just all zeroes?
Accessing noosphere: statement confirmed. Value query of Gothic word "mercy" returns null pointer. Ave Omnissiah.
When they try to access their mercy protocols they get 404 error.
The number of girlfriends i have in binary code is 0
Sucks when the game is over before the end of the first turn
thats 40k, activiation dice are a must just like how BA does it
You got that right. The board, coupled with a questionable secondary pick, horrendous deployment choices, and wasteful use of reserves, I predicted a bloodbath, and was spot on.
@@Khorzho Yeah. Honestly if he hadn't lost initiative, game would have been so much better for him.
EXACTLY!
we dont need activation dice if people just build some decent boards... which these guys usually do
*Starts up video and sees the massive lanes of shooting*
"Oh.... Steve... Dude.... I am so sorry."
Steve is possibly the best sportsman from playon, multiple times he's been steamrolled (literally and figuratively) and never once has he reacted badly. Very well done Tak!
the way he plays, I imagine he's used to loosing
@@BADAB0O0O0O0O0M I know that feeling all to well.
"I'm rolling pretty badly"
"Yeah, but that's not why you're losing"
still the best lul moment
Literally and figuratively? So they once literally brought a steamroller in and ran him over with.. come on man lol
I believe in Steve!
**Tak rolls to go first**
Guess that's game
It's sad but it's true
Dude with AdMech it's no fuckin joke, I've been stomped so many times
Text at end translate to “Winter is coming”
Ohno
Surprise guest Winters SEO? That would be fun even if it’s unlikely 😂
Thank you for your service
Yeah I did the thing in a binary translated and messed of some of the code I think
Riiiiiiiiise!
All 4 championship were experts sportsman in this campaign, but Steve and Tak are truely humble people to watch play. Amazing game play.
We are glad that came through. We all hold sportsmanship in very high regard.
That was a bloodbath! Well played Tak!
Hope to see some Sisters of Battle in season 3. 🤞
Yes! Give us some Grim Gothic Battle Nuns
The Inquisition approves of this comment. You have served us well.
Yeah, Tak made an incredible play getting turn 1 and having a cheese list.
I haven't watched this yet but I already know Tak wins, it was a slaughter and Steve never had a chance. I've watched enough of these to know what's about to happen.
Yeap not enough terrain . Total gunline hand was over in 2 turns . What a waste
100% agree. All 4 games in the playoffs won by the player who took the 1st turn. More terrain and better deployment are needed to make this amazing format actually enjoyable from a tactical perspective.
was easy to tell from terrain setup and who is the shootiest army
@@Makarislethal Terrain didn't help for sure, but Steve played too timid and didn't commit to the Assault. A Land Raider full of Assault Terms should have never been skulking in the backfield. Why were his most powerful guns put in reserve? For that matter, why was anything put in reserve? A concentrated gun line will piece meal an army that comes out a unit at a time.
@@Khorzho yeah sure , but as you seen. Once the land raider peaked out of his deployment it died in 1 turn because the entire admech army had free range
Emperor: Religion is dumb an only causes conflict.
Imperium after he dies:
Also Emporer: you are either with me, or your my enemy.
Listen man I’m no stranger to rooting against Space Marines but man you can’t help but feel at least a little bad for your boy Steve. Great tournament, loved the narrative aspect. Can’t wait to see more in the New Year, y’all.
Was hoping to finally see him get a win. Guy plays well and has such a good heart in this, but between the completely barren midfield and bad rolls he really didnt seem to have a way out of this
20:10 Each time I play Ad Mech
There was this brief period where they made the phosphor blasters free by accident (typo in the points increases), so it was actually possible to run all six of my castellans in a 2000pt game and just _end_ friendships
didn't expect to see you here
Hey you, you’re finally wake.
@@ionceateapinecone Bruh you ended those friendships like your robots ended lives lmaoooooooo
Steve: I get 20 shots with my army. How many shots do you get?
Tak: Uhhh, 50, 100, 150, 200... You know what, nevermind a precise count, just round down to 1000.
Can't wait to see what tak has planned for the black templars
Gunline
Hur,hur gun lines go burrrrrrrr
Sit and shoot. That's basically it...
GG! Sad that the finals was not close, feel that a big buidling in the middle could have made the game better. With the Invictors not connecting and having nowhere to hide.. that was not close.
Knowing that he was facing a brutally effective shooting army, Steve should have comitted everything on turn 1, put nothing in reserves, and deployed as close to the enemy as he could. More would have survived as the shooting would have been divided more, and he would have had a guaranteed charge from several units right into Tac's front gunline, possibly even the Terminators.
@@Khorzho You mean he should have played just like how the Black Templars would act in the lore.
@@Khorzho Perhaps, but that makes your chances of winning worse if you do snatch that turn 1. I think putting the Eradicators in reserve is pretty good, as it guarantees them one turn of shooting (don't forget the two tanks that can hit targets out of line of sight, they would have for sure killed the Eradicators maybe even in one turn, and because the turn 1 charge with the Assault Interecessors was pretty likely with the doctrine, i liked the reserve play. The footslogging Assault Intercessors would just not connect if not in reserve, and they would die or be useless like the Terminators when their ride got shot.
I’m brand new to this hobby and Play On has been above and beyond the most interesting, fun, welcoming and exciting content producer I’ve found thus far- not just in quality and production but enthusiasm and accessibility for new players. I’ve been sloooowly painting myself a Necron army during lockdown here in Ireland and I have to say... what’s in that vault has me so excited! Amazing content guys, thanks so much. Sending my love to everybody at Play On! You’re all professional, enthusiastic, passionate and fantastic sports. What a great, positive thing to discover this year!
Hey im from Ireland to and ive been building a blood angel army in lockdown
Also started a necron army during lockdown and lost my sh*t when the door opened cant wait to see who's it is maybe midwinter minis ?
@@harrystoneman8316 I'm glad I've skimmed the comments or I would have missed the after credits scene.
@@isaacfoley6728 awesome! I have some space marines from the elite box sitting at the side and the only reason I haven’t painted them yet is because I can’t choose what to make them! I want to do imperial fists but gosh, yellow is tough to paint!
Go, Adeptus Mechanicus, go! May Machine Spirits of your weapons guide your shots!
Let's see some sixes of the magos for the Omnissiah! Totally not OP! ;)
I swear I read this as it was powerangers intro
20:15 my first game ever was against an ad mec player and i remember that exact feeling so vividly.
Gotta love our Dakkabots
@@andrascottier595 WAIT THOSE TWO DO 36 SHOTS?
@@punkhippe yeah, as an admech player myself i love it haha.
Bro!!! Bro!! Necron tomb world!?! Best twist ending ever, you guys make the best battle reports no questions asked. Holy crap I'm excited to see what that ending means in the future
I can relate to Steve’s pain when the kastelans shot his marines
This was an awful board for Steve. Should have hidden those objectives, and thrown a lot more into reserve just in case 😭
The board was very aweful and definatly favored the Ad Mech Army.
@@midwesternexplorer9339 man, this looks like I wrote it, fix yo typos
Yeah, no offense to the lovely gents here at PlayOn, you guys do great work, but...
You really can't set up a board with a wide open midfield anymore. Especially not when one of factions in the match is a dedicated gunline army like AdMech.
I'm not even sure if Steve got to go first it would have gone much better for him.
It looks like Steve wants the objectives close together so he could charge up the field and try to hold them. Just didn't work out for him like he planned it looks like
After thinking on it, I wonder if it would have been better for Steve to just place everything as close as he could to Tac, and charge in turn one. Sure, he'd have lost a lot, but considering turn one he'd lost a lot anyway, this way he may hav egot more charges off, and in close quarters he'd have done well. Odd strategy to use, but may have worked.
I wonder if the emperor knows his servants are fighting...
The Emprah is busy dreaming about Isha
No he is too busy doing poetry with the Custodes.
I hope he knows. It seems everyone is playing Imperium vs Imperium when it comes to Comp tournies.
Aren't they always?
It's like "Did you hit your brother?" "Yes" "What do you say?" "Don't touch my stuff?"
I mean, I'm not surprised, pretty sure the Admech and Templars hate each other (I'm not an expert on the lore though, but I have read Helsreach, which implies that)
The production values and armies were as amazing as always but this has to be the weakest batrep I've watched on the channel. As good as the table looked the open killing field in the centre of the board (where the objectives were) gave the shooting Ad Mech such a massive advantage over the assault Black Templars. I can't take anything away from the players but as an advert for 40k this just made me think if you go first you win which was the reason I didn't play more than a handful of games in 8th after being a regular player since Rogue Trader. This game was a miss but keep up the good work, your channel is awesome.
I feel ya on that.
Agreed once you see the board you knew he was toast.
I wrote this exact comment too. Boards in the whole series were not dense enough.
Exactly my comment yesterday. This championship series was pretty unbalanced overall, especially this match.
But still regardless of terrain going first seems to be such an huge advantage that it shouldn't be decided by a single dice roll. I've suggested elsewhere that it seems more reasonable to pay command points to go first, whoever pay the most decide who will start.
Wow that was brutal. Great content, love the epilogue
Great reporting and production as always, but that battle...OOOF!
This is my favorite wh40k channel thank you for this massive production!!
Your series, artwork, creativity and genuine extraordinary cast of characters on your team makes for some of the best viewing experiences on CZcams. No other battle reports capture the viewers attention like Play On Tabletop. You are all remarkably talented and an absolute joy to watch. I highly anticipate the work you all do and sit in awe as your send ripples through the warp of the Warhammer 40,000 hobby. Godspeed and may the Emperor's holy light shine on you all.
Production value at the stars but I admit, this was painful to watch.
It was a one sided battle since turn one, and it's not even Steve's fault. On the contrary, I was surprised on the good moves he played!
Congratulations to Tak of course, he is a great player no matter the list.
We pour a lot of time heading into these and still never feel we have enough time. So, we need to learn from each experience, learn from this Championship and ensure we can mitigate any show being painful to watch. We have a lot of improvements planned for Season 3. Thanks for watching!
I agree - I watched as far as the dice roll for who goes first and looking at the terrain and having watched the previous battles, I knew how the battle was going to come out. I really enjoy 40K in 40M usually, but I have zero interest in watching 30 minutes of Steve's marines being slaughtered by Tak.
Kinda disappointing that Tak knew what was going to happen, too. When moving around the objectives he says "I'm just trying to create a big firing lane here that includes all these objectives." Which he does. And then obviously kills everything in it. Watching Nick get slaughtered by Steve was better.
EDIT: /sigh. You can see on Steve's face by 11:00 that he knows he's going to lose.
@@hendrikbooraem4672 I mean, yes, but Tak did the right thing and played to win (other than for fun). It's still a tournament, no reasons to be disappointed in Tak's decisions in my opinion.
@@PlayOnTabletop don't be too hard on yourselves guys, you always provide excellent entertainment all the time ;)
@@cristianturbian2513 Agreed - no question that Tak played to win and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just pointing out that the conditions were not set for both sides to have an equal chance at victory. Watching the Detroit Lions crush my local high school team in a football game isn't all that exciting either, ya know?
This board gave a 'go first you win' to Tak which kind of took some of the fun out of this one for me, but oh well that's just part of the game sometimes
True, but i think Steve could have respected Taks gunline better and used more cover for his deployment. Id personally prefer to risk having a poor alpha strike if i went first, compared to getting practically wiped turn one.
@@phoenixfire9176 Kinda seemed like he would need to not leave his side of the board to get cover
@@phoenixfire9176 what cover could he use though? The centre of the field was practically barren.
Really illustrates how the game in 9th is "whoever goes first wins" when you have a shooty army and don't have big LOS-blockers in the middle of the map. Great production values as always, but a bit of a bummer to have a map where the game gets decided by the roll to see who goes first.
The guys didn't take terrain into account and tac was using a gimkcy 8th edition list with no melee and full of rerolls.
The guys should have added more terrain to tables. Lists like tacos have no place in 9th edition
the issue wasnt just first turn. it was first turn with nearly 0 terrain with a shooting army in the game. good terrain means 80% of your army can be concealed in their deployment zone and even more so with forward deployment units
The first turn roll wasn't even all that important. It wouldn't have been quite so one-sided if Steve went first, but he still stood no chance. This game was decided by it being AdMech vs BT with no central terrain.
@@Makarislethal Lists like Tac's are still making top tables at tournaments. Just because 9th is unfavorable for it, and ITC terrain setup minimises it doesn't mean that Admech Castles are dead.
As an admech player myself, my money is on big nerfs for Kastellans when the 9th codex drops. 18 shots per robot in a specific protocol just means "use this protocol and win".
@@StreetBoyWill Kastellans need a massive nerf. They're just too good.
I was so rooting for Steve but I knew as soon as I saw what Tak's AdMech could do in the first match he used them that he would stomp. Just so many shots
Thanks again for everything. Love the series and I enjoy watching all of you. I wish you a 2021 full of health and miniatures!
I knew it was a tombworld gate from the beginning, HA!!! SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI
*Gets revealed to be a necromancer tomb world
Me: oh no! Who could have seen this coming? Oh wow! (Seriously though, I feel like it was obvious as soon as I saw the vault was green)
@@ohadgoldhagen1095 still was pretty cool
This was truly outstanding, cannot think of a better way to advertise the hobby than your showmanship, sportsmanship and general fun. Happy New Year fellas!
The music selection this episode is phenomenal! Loved the patreon post from today. Great work guys, have a happy new years!
Thank you! You guys are amazing, best 40k content on youtube by a long shot
No more messing around, Steve! We’re behind you! Out of range of the plasma, of course.
That firepower from Ad Mech is terrifying. Congrats to Steeve for this brave resistance.
Incredible finale to an amazing season. Can’t wait to see what’s coming next for the channel. Thank you for all the hard work & great content lads. 🤘👏👏🤘
Love you guys! You can count yourselves among the heroes of the 2020 lockdown, providing us with top quality joyful moments in these dark times. Honestly, as soon as I can I will support you for your great work. Everything is perfectly the way I would like to watch WH40K games. Happy New Year to you.
I was so happy to see those necrons inside that vault...I’m so excited for the next battle
Time for the awakening protocol, can't wait for the 3rd season. Keep up the great work!
My god guys, you really do the absolutely best content about the 40k gameplay. Amazing, you should really get more fans and more visibility because your content is AMAZING! Have a nice 2021 guys and thank you for all your content! Really helped a lot of fans this year
The production values of these videos are amazing you can tell alot of effort goes into making these
Wiped the floor with him, beyond belief, he literally had 0% chance honestly.
Bit closer is honestly more fun but sometimes shit like this happens yeah.
@@GundamReviver Closer is always better, and that often speaks of balance. Where Astartes started off strong with 9E but had changes, AdMech is an odd duck. It had a lot of changes late in 8E, was already rather powerful, and seems to have slid into the new edition at the top of the game still (much like Harlequins have).
Not beyond belief. This is what 8th edition looked like
@@Makarislethal who remembers 5th edition? IE: Codex: Tanks: formerly known as imperial guard. 😓
Definitely need to throw some more LoS blocking terrain on that table to at least try and mitigate first turn advantage.
More people should be supporting them they have the best battle reports love the commentary and put a lot effort in general!
That’s some good fun, good people, and great coming together for the hobby and giving back to the community. Cheers!
Rooting for you Steve! In his Name!
Wow! Kind of dissapointing. But good for Tak, thanks for the Tournament. Love your channel
I am very excited to see this finale! Great work, guys you are really exceeded my expectations! Congratulations to the winner and my thanks to all of the team!!!
Great stuff guys! Love the channel.
Can't wait for season 3
Morale of the story for Templars is simple - NEVER trifle with them guys who constructed and built your equimpment.
It was a great season, looking forward for the third! Big shoutout for both players!
"when the mechanicus scisms, titans walk and world's BURN"
what can the emperors devine servants bring thst counters that?
20:09 I have definitely had this exact interaction with ad mech lol
Man, Tac and his martians SLAUGHTERED!!!!! Great to see and think of how to combat. Thanks for putting together such a great show. I was and am actually excited for your next show. Great work Gentlemen.
Fantastic champion series! Seriously congrats to you guys for really pulling through during COVID, thank you for the great content. Keep it up, congrats to Tak, and Play On!
Good luck Steve!
Oh man I am so excited to play with my son too. Your vids are great and I guess when my son understands English better, he will enjoy your content just like me. Keep up the work, live you guys.
That is fantastic! Hope you both have a great time!
Fantastic work, really fun battle report, and great players. You really pulled out all the stops for this one and it shows. Great stuff
Even though that was probably the most overkill game I've ever seen on the channel, Steve is just such a good sport about it, absolutely love how well the folks from this channel get along when they're facing off on the board :)
Congrats Tak on the win ! It was very well deserved !
I can't wait to see what Play On has in store for 2021
This is the second video I've seen recently of the dakkabots just utterly annihilating the entire enemy army in 1-2 turns, and both times the opposing army was one of the higher tier space marine factions (the other video was against Dark Angels). Since the dakkabots can shoot into their own combat even if they get tied down by an enemy unit getting them into melee range, the dakkabots can just shoot that unit off the board next turn and then the turn afterwards resume their massacre of the rest of the enemy army.
It really seems like you guys need more terrain in the middle of the maps in these games. All the terrain was basically along the outer ring of the board and, while it looks pretty, with an army like Admech and their dakkabots it was a shooting gallery with little to no line of sight blocking terrain. That stratagem that makes them unable to move to give them additional shots has no drawback if the middle of the board is an open shooting gallery
While the game was kind of underwhelming with it practically being decided the instant Tac got to go first, well done to Steve for being such a good sport about the loss and for Tac not rubbing it in or being a poor winner
We really appreciate your observations and thoughtfulness here. We have a new plan for tables and terrain moving into Season 3 with a dedicated person responsible for finding balance between cinematic and narrative vision with gameplay. We also are working hard at expanding our collections so we can build forces that will create hopefully very interesting match ups. Thank you for helping us learn and improve for Season 3.
No disrespect intended, everyone at PlayOn is great and the channel rocks, but I have to say this one was a complete miss for me.
It was such a stomp. Oh my god. Tak sounded *uncomfortable* on turn 2 with how badly he was crushing Steve, and rightly so. The whole thing turned sour pretty fast. JT did his best to salvage it with the voiceover, but it came across as pretty forced.
I don't know what the production schedule is like, so I can't say for sure, but I would have seriously considered scrapping this one and filming another game, maybe with more obscuring terrain in the middle of the board. Even at the bottom of turn 2 you probably could have called it and reset.
Also, Tak's list was obviously of a much higher tier than any of the other ones, so it was clear from the start that he would win. I love both casual and competitive gaming, but it's no fun to watch a competitive list stomp on casual lists. It being a skew list gunline doesn't help either. At least armies like Harlequins or Custodes are dynamic and positional as they blend you into chunks on turn 2.
Just my opinion, but unless you're going for a strictly competitive, "no-holds-bared" setup where it's understood from the beginning that players will be going as hard as possible, I'd try pretty hard to ensure we end up with an at least somewhat balanced game that isn't over on turns 1 or 2. Sorry for writing a novel, lol.
Honestly, this is the type of feedback we need to hear. It is clear that you are being very observant and thoughtful about what you have written. It means you care about our mission to make entertaining content and for that we are very grateful. No platitudes. No beating around the bush. This show indeed had issues.
While we cannot change the past we can work on the future. For Season 3 we will have someone solely responsible for the tables and terrain who will work alongside the Director for cinematic battles that are also game balanced (as best as possible). Due to not having much time to play in 2020 we didn't practice any lists prior to Championship and had to play what we had. Tycho played with some of Tak's Death Guard. Tak played mostly the list he had from an earlier report because that is what he had. It really means we need more access here at Play On and hopefully working with the community and partners we can grow our collections to give us better choice. We are friends and friends don't like to stomp other friends.
Ultimately, we are learning a lot from our experiences from this Championship series and are already taking that learning to Season 3. Thank you for your observations.
@@PlayOnTabletop Hello! I agree with High Dragon somewhat about the lists being comparable. I really enjoy the casual games (Nick vs Tycho was great) but maybe you guys could do Hardcore vs Hardcore and Casual vs Casual? It's cool to see both ends of the spectrum though. I disagree with High Dragon about scraping games and re-filming them though. The authenticity makes it similar to a sporting event for me and there have been plenty of SuperBowls that are over before the half (which does suck) but they're still authentic.
The narrative missions are really cool though. It's nice having a story for why the two armies are demolishing each other haha.
Either way thanks for making the videos you guys are great! You guys need to get Steve a cat poster. Hang in there!
Thanks for the reply! I appreciate you taking the time to explain a little more of what went into making this season/episode.
It's still early days, and I have no doubt your team will continue improving and knocking it out of the park in future seasons.
Could not have said it any better. Still best 40k channel tho. Anyone can make mistakes.
No i agree ur spot on
Magos-Dominus Tak gave us a lesson on strategy, as in Aphorisms 62: "Do not ask the Omnissiah for a pleasant existence, ask Him for the strength to overcome our tribulations"; and embodied what is written in Linguis Fulminatus, Chapter 7: "Improvisation is rarely welcomed, and then only if the Omnissiah's will demand it". What a perfectly oiled war machine, the priesthood of Mars was! P.S.: Loved the post credits. "Sometimes our prayers are answered, but not in the way we would prefer" - Fabricator General Kane.
Thanks so much for all the quick uploads! Much love from B.C.!
Asking as someone who is really new to this game but is going first always such a huge advantage?
Yes. Unless you are raven guard.
Whyrave guard?
They have tons of pre-round 1 redeployment shenanigans, plus versatile deepstrike options. It means if you lose the who-goes-first roll-off you can essentially redeploy into cover, or out of line of site or the reverse if you win :)
Going first often is an advantage, but generally not for the reasons you saw in this video, and therefore not to such an extent. If you're playing with an appropriate amount of obscuring terrain, both players will be able to hide their armies well enough that the player who goes first will actually get to do fairly little shooting, as they won't be able to get line of sight on much of the opponent's army. For an in-depth view of why going first is an advantage, see www.goonhammer.com/the-november-2020-40k-meta-review/, but it basically boils down to (a) the first player can force the second player's hand in some ways and (b) while both players have five turns to score points, the first player also has five turns to deny their opponent points whereas the second player basically only has four, since there may be nothing they can do to affect their opponent's score in turn five.
@@thepants But they get to score the final points and scoring in early rounds is generally lower because there are more units clogging objectives and you haven't had as many opportunities to cover the board yet. I actually really like going second. Obviously from 1 point of view it is playing catch up. But if you don't get caught in your opponents pace and reacting to them, instead focussing on putting yourself in position for round 4 and 5 scoring. You can potentially get some really large points in your final 2 turns and because your opponents score will always be ahead of you as they score first, they generally let their defence down to some degree and when you flip 20P on them in turn 5 it's actually very easy to either draw or win a good % of games.
NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR!
Loved all the content this year, keep it up this is truely some of the most entertaining vids on yt
YAAAAAASSSSS!!! My favorite army (spoilers) are in this episode! Gets me super hype for next season. Keep up the awesome work, guys. This channel has spoiled me and blown every other battle report channel away.
The message at the end translation is
Winter is coming
Hey love your music on these videos would love to know where I can find it also will be there for the battle report and I already know it will be great.
I think the song names are included on the final credits
Aaah one of the few marine losses ive seen recently, love it :)
Great work both of you! Steve your playing was great and tak your army composition was well thought out
Great series and I love the extra bit of story and lore that you guys put into your videos. Such a wonderful job, well done!!!
Thank you!
Hoping for a black templar win. After a schism within my friend group, I hate Mechanicus with a passion, but I respect players who run that army.
Not to worry. Perhaps you can be redeemed for your poor choice in army after we make you into a servitor.
@@eater_of_garbage_ I run immortal sisters of Celestine, so it's not like I don't already have loyalties. I just really dislike Mechanicus due to them being played by a former friend. I'm an adult though, and will get over it in time.
After reading Helsreach, I can totally see this being canon
Thanks a lot for making these vids. Super love them. Well done, well played.
I just wanted to say, awesome job guys, this series got me back into 40k earlier this year and the quality of these battle reports is immense. A closer game would have been cool for the final, but even so the production value on this video kept the excitement in!
We appreciate you watching the show and we are working towards improvements for Season 3. Thank you and see you in 2021.
Shout out to steve for continuing to show us all how terrible land raiders (still) are
For the Ommnissiah!
Well done Gents! Awesome season, you are setting up new level for all Pro WH40k video producers
That look on Steve's face at the end turn 2 was exactly how I feel every game I play. Looking forward to you smashing it season 3. Heres to 2021
I don’t know what Steve has to do like burn some incense get the stars to align or something cause that first round was rough
Update the second round was so much worse
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These tables with no line of sight blocking terrain in the middle, while having charge reducing craters was handing the game to Ad Mech on a silver platter.
Either the terrain has to change, or the players need to have a gentleman's agreement to handicap their lists.
I found this channel just a week ago or so and I've been completely blown awayby the wonderful content. I have never actually played anything except the computer games(Dawn of War etc), so this is really new and exciting for me!
Welcome to the channel! And tabletop!
@@PlayOnTabletop Thanks so much :) Hoping to see some Sisters of Battle next season! Happy new year!
Loved how much fun these guys had and how light and breezy the game was kept. That's excellent 👌👌👌
"That was only ONE robot?"
*laughs in binary*
those gun robots a straight broken i dont care how expensive they are
Yeah, these are cheaper than dreadnoughts...
nope, they really arent
they burn through cp like hell, and you need to play mars with cawl ot make them this good. They are way worse in any other list.
Twas more because of the open terrain, which allowed them to pop binary override early without worries rather than anything else.
they are strong for sure tho
Awesome finale! Congrats Tak, great win. To the entire Playon team, thank you very much for doing these videos. I've really enjoyed them. I can't wait for season 3. 👏👏👏👏
Great finale for the championship. Also fantastic production value as usual!
The binary says Winter is coming
Change the title to prevent spoilers
Sorry. Late night and went auto pilot for the title. Thanks for bringing that to our attention
after watching this and the how to play 40k ive learned a lot about 40k and im started to get into it keep up the awesome work
Hello I am new to Warhammer. I impulsed bought the 8th edition rules over amazon just a week before 9th edition was announced. I was salty. But after some time I found myself gravitating back to the game.
Back then I wanted to be Grey Knights, but they were specialized against chaos forces. I looked at Space Wolves as a secondary choice. I wasn't collecting minis at this time, but we do have a dedicated Warhammer Store that really got me into the hobby through building minis. I was given a free example model, and the store owner showed me what all I had to do. I found myself buying a magazine kit where they did a generalization of the universe, but also came with another free mini. I realized then and there, I legitimately enjoyed making and painting models.
However, its the dudes here at PlayOn Tabletop that got me into wanting to play the game, and I got myself a starter kit. I love the chill and friendly attitude from all the contestants, which is wonderful. I still have a desire to play Grey Knights and Space Wolves. However, I also have grown to love Adeptus Mechanicus. I currently look forward to playing Kill Team with my own weird faction of space marines that I got out of the starter set, but I know now that Adeptus Mechanicus is going to be one of my go to primary armies for playing the regular game.
Really looking forward to seeing us win some Xenos Tech!
Ad mech is such a sweaty list compared too the others it feels kinda gross. Idk maybe just me but if everyone else is being low tier fun lists, why would you go highest tier super meta? Meh
We admit that this is a symptom of a big problem. We didn't get to play any practice games before hand so to a certain extent we hit this a bit blind.
@@PlayOnTabletop yeah but you dont need to play the list to know that it is going to steamroll anything except the most competitive opponent on the most balanced board. That list is straight out of a tournament.
Rooting for Steve here. Its about damn time his luck to change.
Happy New Year and Greetings from Germany. Gosh, what an epic Battle. Thanks for Load Up PoT-Team! :D
Both of you did an awesome job and I'm routing for you next year Steve!!!