My takeaway from this is that Joe’s knowledge of not just MMA but combat sports as a whole is indisputable. Anyone who’s a fan of any combat sport knows how deep each one is and Joe is so well versed in just about all of them in every aspect from history to technical analysis across all forms of combat sports. It’s genuinely impressive and a joy to hear him talk about them. Enjoy him on the mic while you can guys! Joe is a real one.
NIGEL BENN WAS HITTING HIM IN BACK OF HEAD JOE. BAD MEMORY! THERES A DOCUMENTARY WHERE NIGEL BENN GOES TO SEE HIM. THE GUY IS IN A WHEELCHAIR AND PARTIALLY BLIND AND SAYS TO HIS SISTER "THIS GUY TRIED TO KILL ME", NIGEL BENN THEN CRIES AND WALKS OFF CAMERA
Infuriating. If you cannot act effectively and quickly to save a man's life, you should never be able to step into the ring again. A boxer will not stop until the referee has snapped him back to his humanity.
You know what, screw that. Morrison showed in the Foreman fight that he could last into later rounds because he drew up a strategy. In the Mercer fight he thought he'd just go full blast and take Mercer early. Merciless, just like Big George, had an IRON jaw, so that was Morrison's fault completely for letting his cardio diminish to amateur level.
Could Joe and Jaime PLEASE put a VR camera in one of the seats so that we can "sit" with every guest thru our VR headsets? Please like this comment so that JAMIE AND JOE CAN SEE IT!
Another thing about the Ray Mancini/Duk Koo Kim fight it was so tragic and devastating that Kim's own mother took her own life not long after and the referee who must have been wrecked by guilt also took his own life i think about a year later.
Joe has such an amazing memory on fighters and nobody can deny him being an immense talent at commentating for MMA and could be great at boxing as well 👍
Yea he's good but you ever hear Mike Tyson talk boxing history??? That man is like a fuckin boxing historian/encyclopedia... it really impressive and at first unexpected.
@ByWayOfDeception absolutely agree. Imo frankly he's surprisingly intelligent and informed on a lot of general and random esoteric stuff... Ppl always busted his balls about using "big words" neglecting the fact he was using them correctly... I applaud any attempt at educating yourself and he def does that.
Not amazing, just a true boxing fan that actually watched most of these fights. I watched 3 of these fights at the time myself and remember them well. Benn vs McClellan turned into a very sombre "Fight Night" with the guys when it happened. I can't believe it was so long ago.
Roberto Duran, when fighting as a lightweight, was one of the most brutal punchers I ever saw. I don't think he ever killed anybody in the ring, but he regularly sent his opponents to the hospital.
@@azynkron That is so mind numbingly stupid and incorrect it almost hurts. If you think that Duran couldn't kill someone with his hands even at lightweight then your mistaken. Your talking about a man that's called the hands of stone. There have been multiple boxers who said Duran hit them harder than they ever been hit before. Naturally bigger guys than Duran himself too.
That ref just waiting there is so nerve racking. It’s these few seconds at the end of a fight where brain damage and death occurs if the ref doesn’t call it.
True story - I went to high school with Gerald McClellan and in my senior year in an art class I was sitting across from two guys- one tall slender dude and the other short,stocky and a big mouth. The big mouth started talking shit to me and then said “ you getting tough…I’ll sick my boy here on you!” I said “ I’ll take him after you”. Not knowing who he was. Gerald just smiled and told his buddy to stop causing trouble-we looked at each other and nodded like it was over and no big deal. The next week over morning announcements they said “ we’d like to congratulate our own Gerald McClellan for winning the 1987 Milwaukee Golden Gloves contest! Lol. I instantly knew why he was so cool- he didn’t abuse his skills and talents. It was too bad to see what happened to him. Great guy!
SirLeDoux, a pity you didn’t sort the big mouth out though! A cool comment from you here, thank you. I remember Gerald’s fight live on the tv with Nigel Benn. 2 supreme boxers with a sad outcome.
I don’t think a ‘great guy’ would engage in dog fighting and have his pitbull kill another dog that he taped down. Either way he didn’t really deserve what eventually became of him so yeah…
That used to be Ruby Goldstein, who was the ref of the Griffith/Paret fight. Ruby had a reputation for stopping fights too quickly. But he used to be a fighter. He was 55-6 39KO's. The one fight he didn't step in faster cost him his career and a man's life. Boxing is a dangerous sport.
You must be kidding me. Richard Steele was one of the worst Referees ever. I’m 56 and watched his entire career…from the 1970s until he retired. He has some of the worst stoppages in history, as well as being a notoriously crooked and mob-tied Refs of all time. The Honorable Mills Lane (yes, a practicing Judge) was the best of all time, and one of the smallest. He grabbed Tyson by the arm, flung him around and said “cut that shït out Mike”.
I think what Joe said that big heavyweights should have big refs is generally true. Having said that Mills Lane was probably the best ref ever and he was small but showed no fear (he also did 20 minutes of jump rope, 5 rounds of heavybag, and ran two miles a day so he would be in shape to move in fast...and when he started to slow down was when he retired from refereeing).
I remember him yelling at Tyson during the bite fight. Tyson saying that he didn’t bite Holyfield and mills says “BULLSHIT, 2 points off him” no fear or anything lol
Moments like Joe getting emotional talking about the Duk Koo Kim fight is why I keep watching. You aren't gonna get an unplanned genuine emotional response to the gravity of physical violence as entertainment and sport from a television program
That was a brutal fight with Boom Boom...I saw a still photo of a body shot in that fight and I can't remember if it was Boom Boom or Duk but the hand was literally inside of the body it hit so hard all the way up to the wrist the body had obsorbed the entire hand to where you couldn't see it it was crazy...I don't know how that didn't kill the fighter... craziest photo I've ever seen of a punch
@@Michael-ww3yp to what a HS fight hahahaha...I wish this was back in the 80 's you can look up Jeremy Williams though heavyweight pro fighter guarantee he still training people an has a gym
The reasons why it's easier to get knocked out after a match you've been KO'ed in: 1. Aura of invincibility is gone. 2. Self-assuredness of never losing is also extinct. 3. Your opponents know your weakness(es) and are willing to exploit it (or them) like jackals. 4. Perhaps you overtrain after a loss to compensate, which makes you more susceptible to gassing out and getting tagged hard. 5. You can never get back what Father Time takes away.
Gerry McClellans sparring and training partners in previous camps said they saw his eyes twitch and blink uncontrollably on occasion after being hit before the benn fight, so there was possibly something neurological going on prior to that fight. such a heartbreaking story though if anyone hasn't seen the documentary on Gerald it's confronting and very sad. his family is amazing.
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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I think when a boxer's brain suffers a brutal knock out, after the fight the body does a full reboot, but like a video game energy bar, the brain governs down that energy cycle bar to a half-way mark to protect the boxer from himself. Some boxers are just too "Gladiator' for their own good, and doesn't know how (or care) to quit even though the internal organs are in distress.
@@DailyCorvid not quite sure I understand your comment. Think twice?? Nah,,, train harder. If you box or do any combat sport damage is part of the game. Make your piece with it in the beginning
@@marc2638 Said truly like a man who never experienced a proper injury and who doesn't give a shit about his family. Or maybe it's they who do not care for you and that's why you are so blase about your mortality. Lol kid thinks he's Hercules. Not so. You'll find out one day mate that beating up other guys means fuck all in the great scheme of things. A "proper" injury is one that will damn near kill you stone dead, and if you are fortunate enough NOT to die off from - will leave you permanently crippled and unable to earn that level of cash ever again. Mostly due to medical bills and being totally unable to do those things again. Yeah make peace with that lol kids these fuckin days... I could name you a dozen dead or crippled boxers who don't even know where they are now. Who is looking after them? Yep the poor wife or family you never cared to think of when you were egotripping all the way to the HOF. LOLOL ridiculous. You never had a fight if you think you somehow can't get a bad injury next time or the time after. Shocking stupidity. I hope this rant shakes you the fuck up before you get yourself into a wheelchair you will never get back out of. Your mum will be wiping your arse since you won't be able to reach by yourself, Hercules that can't wipe his own arse. Better you than anybody else then Herc!
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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I remember the Benn/Gerald fight and the aftermath. There was a huge movement by the medical profession to get boxing banned in the U.K. and they were nearly successful. If you can take one positive from the fight it did provide the medical world further info regarding indications of possible brain trauma developing during a fight. It was noticed that Gerald started blinking a lot, wiping his left brow and having his gum shield hanging out of his mouth.
My favorite Roy Jones Junior move was the rooster feint. He'd throw his arms down and forward like one of his fighting roosters to get the other guy to drop his arms then plaster him.
Arturo Gatti knocking out Joey Gamache is so brutal it's funny. The slow-mo of Joey getting his head bobbled as he's slugged really fuckin hard with three punches before he's finally able to fall is one of the best KO's ever.
I was in Vegas watching the Johnson vs Jones fight. Roy got hit behind the ear and he went down like someone hit the off button. He wasn't moving and you can see him mouth "I'm done". I was so bummed out watching that fight.
@@shall7277 around 6:59 Mark of this video below it looked like he says "I'm done". It could have been I'm good or something else but I'm the heat of the moment seeing your favorite fighter laying on the ground for several minutes, that's what I recall him saying. czcams.com/video/xurWHNylVdg/video.html
@@traviszander Didn’t mean anything by it and I hear you. RJJ bounces around my top 3 any given year. I can only imagine the feeling in my stomach had I have seen that live.
well duhh, boxing is purely a striking sport while MMA is literally mixed martial arts, boxers don't have access to the range of styles available in mma so need to specialise usually in either speed or power (sometimes you get boxing legedns who are proficient in both Tyson, Ali, SRL etc). With mma You can go with speed or power in combination with bjj or wrestling. Tbh MMA is like rock paper scissors, except if paper was overpowered lol. Typically in a 1v1 grappling is superior to striking especially in mma. Put most boxer on there back and they are like deer in headlights lol they dont know what to do. Rock=striking paper=grappling/bjj scissor= slight combination of both kind of like combat bjj with stinking or sambo basically ground and pound. people who don't understand boxers hit harder don't watch enough combat sports. put Mayweather in the octogen and hes getting wrecked after a double leg. my favourite is when DJ suplexed a guy into an armbar. shit was ridiculous lool
Idk man it has to do a lot with the way they stand and move because they have to worry about kicks and takedowns. Different sports require different tools to be utilized is all.
I was ringside at the Morrison vs Mercer fight. It was like watching someone fall off a cliff. Watching them fall and knowing what's going to happen but you can't do anything about it.
Jesus bro that’s wild to see live. The craziest ko I seen was Michael Chandler front kicking Tony Ferguson out cold in the ufc. Was at that fight it was wild
Love when Rogan talks about boxing; makes me miss it so much. Also, Peret didn’t die in the ring, he died 10 days later (however, he never gained consciousness after the 12 round).
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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I saw an interview with Ray Mercer and he said that at the weigh in, Tommy’s back was all broken out in horrible acne. Ray then told his cornermen that Tommy had been using steroids, which turned out to be true, and they needed to rethink their strategy. He said that his cornermen said to take Tommy for as long as he could into the fight because the steroids were for short bursts of power, and they may not help him in the later rounds. I guess Ray was right.
So essentially Ray decided to tank shots from a roided guy to gas him out and then knock him out? If so, that makes Mercer an even badder motherfucker than I already though he was
I honestly think it’s a mental thing after the first ko. I think your brain tries to protect you as much as it can. Plus after you get knocked out no matter how badly you want to fight again your gonna be thinking about that knockout and it’s gonna make you more hesitant.
@@MrBigspendn yea but shouldn’t that be everyone’s weakness? I literally think they get scared tbh (not in a bad way) fighting is a scary thing to do, so the more you try to prevent something the quicker it happens.
When i was a kid i used to love seeing people get knocked out... but i've seen enough people with CTE that my reaction has changed from excitement to disgust.
Same here. I had a buddy that was a very talented boxer growing up. We had a friend that we would take turns knocking out. I mean we sparred with him but he was a late bloomer. My buddy would knock him out at will. We thought that it was funny. Luckily, the kid that we used to knock out (and videotaped it), became a doctor. He is still doing fine, but probably won't have his faculties when he's older.
Another brutal knockout was George Cooney vs Ken Norton. Cooney landed about 3-4 hard shots while Norton was out on the ropes. Even Ali said it was ugly. Edit: lol yes it’s Jerry Cooney. Thanks everyone.
I think you have George Cooney confused. Ken Norton took two extremely brutal KO's in his career - one was a 1st Rd. KO by Jerry Cooney and the other a 2nd Rd. KO by George Foreman that the ref had to stop the beating. But Norton also beat Ali and was sort of robbed in their second fight split decision and really robbed in their final fight at Yankee Stadium.
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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Anyone remember the boxing analyst that said Joe didn’t know anything about Boxing? Dude has studied it religiously and can full recall fights from memory
@@uglybassterd1 very noble but it very well could have been him in that position and he knew that but I believe what happened to McClellan was almost predetermined as if he was going to have issues before and been prematured the process but idk when he went to one knee and shook his head something was off
I Went to school with a guy who got into a fight at a party, punched a guy once and he fell back, hit his head on the concrete and died. He did 5 years jail.
I had a buddy who did the same, except the guy survived after being in icu for a month. That same buddy ended up besting his dad to death and is serving 25 years. He was a messed up guy.
@Cub well, he did have some type of schizophrenia. He was so paranoid and was always sucker punching people. I can't even count how many people. He suckered punched me too, lol. Had my mouth wired shut for 6 weeks...guy was nuts!
I watched that Tarver fight with my homeboy who was the BIGGEST RJJ fan(also had money on RJJ and was basically bragging about how he was gunna win) 😬 I remember when Tarver said “Got any excuses tonight Roy?” I looked at my friend’s face and his excitement turned to concern. When RJJ got KO’d I was like “OHHHHH BABY” like the And 1 announcer and he got so pxssed off 🤣🤣🤣 I haven’t thought about that in years and I still laugh to myself everytime that fight comes back up in my mind 😂
I watched about Parrett an found out this guy had like 3 brutal fights before that, he didn't die right away, he went into a coma and he passed 10 days later, but after listening to a boxing pundit, found out that he had 3 tough fights before and this was the 3rd fight between these guys, and the guy he fought before that had hit him with some heavy shots!! Parrett took this fight only after fighting 2 months prior
I remember when Mohammed Ali fought past his prime and got the hell beat out of his brain. I remember, after Sugar Ray Leonard was smashed in the press for months that he danced so wonderfully in the ring, only because he couldn't take a punch, the one fight where Sugar Ray Leanard stood toe to toe with Roberto Duran (which Sugar won) and never talked the same again. I remember when Marvin Hagler went from a great speaker to a guy who could barely speak, after getting hit in the head over and over and over. There is a very high cost to this sport, yet it is the most basic sport of all time. Like Joe said, have a ref in there who is a match for both of the fighters. You can save a life that way.
Yep. People may say what they want about Mayweather, but he himself said it's about hitting and not getting hit yourself. If you could do that shit then you are the master of the sweet science. And even Mayweather doesn't have all of his brain cells but he's better than most and he got out before it got really bad. That's why it always makes me happy to hear George Foreman talk. The guy sounds just as good as he ever did as a Young Man. There's some people that's just made for boxing. They can give it as good as they get.
@@tyrfree5733 I completely agree, Foreman was so tall. boxers spent most their time trying to beat his body to a pulp. Foreman also had a reach that would clock a ticket in a heartbeat too. And Mr. Foreman sounds great today unlike 90% of the other retired boxers. When Sugar Ray Leonard stood toe to toe with Roberto Duran, I was almost in tears because Duran beat on Ray as hard as he could, and Ray refused to dance like he always did. Ray proved his point, but his speech and his eyes have never been the same. Damn it man, if you can dance and strike like that and avoid the blows, apologize to no one for being that great.
@@phil4986 Wtf are you guys talking about? Sugar Ray speaks just as well as he ever did LOL. Ali had Parkinson's Disease, not pugilistica. Haggler was fine as well lol. Now if you wanna talk about speech impairment, Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bowe have wicked impairments.
Always impressed by Julio Cesar Chavez's durability. That guy blocked so many hits with his face for so long vs so many heavy hitting great fighters and besides an ugly mug, he's healthy as can be in old age. Some people are just built different. Like David Tua as well. Not only was he dropping H bombs, but he would stand in the middle taking your best and is healthy, mentally now that he's retired. They're just built different.
combat sports and boxing most especially is just so brutal.. all the hard work, dedication, and sacrifice just to get to a certain level would take up 95% of your time. whats crazy is that even by putting in the work, winning isnt promised. Not to mention the possible fatal injuries it comes with!
My 9yr old is at the gym 3-4days a week 3hrs a day training. He says "time to work Dad, we don't play boxing" His only dream is 2032 Olympics and he is 100%dedicated to that dream. Young champ is going to start fighting in 2023
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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He doesn't understand the neutral corner rule after Kelly Pavkik explained it to his face, and he said the Paret fight didn't change the rules, when they brought in the four looser ropes because of him getting stuck in the right 3, nobody can know everything, but for an expert he gets a fucking lot wrong
B4 I watched this, I’d just so happened to watch the Morrison vs Mercer fight yesterday, alot of good boxers hold their opponents head down, Ali did it and many more, it kinda discombobulate you especially if you’re tired.. Mercer did it all fight until he caught Morrison
It's funny People don't realize that the gloves are not to protect your opponent from the damage you were doing to their brain The gloves are to protect your hands from your opponent's skull
A punch from a glove at the same force will do less brain damage but its not gonna be the same force i can hit a person in the head pretty hard with out doing major damage to my hand but with a glove i can throw mutiltple 100% hits and even go 110%
You must be out of your mind. Even Joe Rogan bows to Mike Tyson. Mike is the fucking boxers encyclopedia and don't you forget it! The amazing thing is both of these people smoking massive amounts of weed!
Benn had some amazing fights with Eubank who later in his career left Michael Watson with brain damage. Eubank was never the same fighter afterwards even pulling punches and telling the ref to stop the fight as he was scared the same thing could happen again
That Marsden Mercer fight reminded me a lot of the Max Bear Frankie Campbell fight where Bear just hammers campbell with a series of rights and ended up killing him
Watching clips like this reminds me of why I’m glad I stopped competitively boxing. The amount of head trauma boxers go through compared to every other combat sport is insane. I saw too many of my buddies take a dirty shot to the back of the head that gave them life long problems to realize this isn’t what I wanted to do with my life. Full respect to every boxer out there that puts their lives on the line to do what they love
Use to box and train to compete in the Golden Gloves at Joe Frazier's first gym--23rd Police Athletic League in Philly in the late 60's early 70's when I was a student at Temple Univ. Sparred with Ali/Frazier sparring partners to include Jimmy Young and Stanley "Kitten" Hayward at another gym. My eyelids were perpetually black/blue--the students on my campus thought I was wearing eye makeup. Started having headaches and decided as a student that the pursuit of other athletic outlets was in my cards.--Mike
McClellan dehydrated, causing the water to deplete in the brain area, himself making weight for the Benn fight bc I’m fact he was to big for that weight class. He would’ve SMOKED Jones jr. If they had fought. He was too fast for Jones to run away from & those punches McClellan would throw were scarier then anyone at that weight class since. What could’ve been never was bc of Benn. Actually, that fight messed up Nigel Been too. He wasn’t the same fighter after that match either.
@@jameswatson5450 Jackson landed some bombs on him, he was better suited at 154 and was clearly too small for McClellan. But I think that’s when the brain damage really started. Most boxing fans regard Julian Jackson as the hardest puncher pound for pound.
@Mike Hawk You're spot on. McClellan complained about repeatedly getting headaches after the first Jackson fight. A boxer he was sparring with, for the Benn fight, said he caught McClellan with a regular jab on the nose & McClellan backed off, blinking & saying he'd been thumbed in the eye.......but later on, in the changing room, McClellan said there was no thumb in the eye & the punch had seriously hurt him. The warning signs were there.
Gerald Mclelleans head injuries started from his matches with Julian Jackson. He took a ton of punishment from those and was even more out of whack leading up to the Nigel Benn fight.
Nigel Benn landed heavy shots to the back of the head multiple times, obviously didn’t mean to do the damage he did but the fact is it was illegal and showed why that night
Joe's boxing knowledge is incredible, I love hearing him talk boxing.
I love joe but his knowledge of boxing is nowhere near the level he knows MMA and some other combat sports.
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@@DrSpaceman69 He really doesn't it's kind of baffling how little he knows about Boxing based on his background.
It's savant-like. Just stupid memory about combat sports. Ariel Helwani does too. He'll remember cities and the arena a fight was at.
"he's dead right now?" "Yaa man ....let's watch that again "....🤣🤣
My takeaway from this is that Joe’s knowledge of not just MMA but combat sports as a whole is indisputable.
Anyone who’s a fan of any combat sport knows how deep each one is and Joe is so well versed in just about all of them in every aspect from history to technical analysis across all forms of combat sports.
It’s genuinely impressive and a joy to hear him talk about them.
Enjoy him on the mic while you can guys! Joe is a real one.
Nah he ain’t, he knows the old shit. Dude isn’t up to date with modern combat sports, just a fact I hear it every time he commentates
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And who are you? A champion fighter? Or someone who watches a lot of fighting@PremiumOsh
I love "fight talk" with Joe. It's what got me hooked on his podcast in the first place
It was the alien talk for me
@@ketrayanderson5276 some of us like reality
@@atlas4837And you know for certain aliens don’t exist? Humble down simpleton
NIGEL BENN WAS HITTING HIM IN BACK OF HEAD JOE. BAD MEMORY! THERES A DOCUMENTARY WHERE NIGEL BENN GOES TO SEE HIM. THE GUY IS IN A WHEELCHAIR AND PARTIALLY BLIND AND SAYS TO HIS SISTER "THIS GUY TRIED TO KILL ME", NIGEL BENN THEN CRIES AND WALKS OFF CAMERA
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The ref caused that
Infuriating. If you cannot act effectively and quickly to save a man's life, you should never be able to step into the ring again. A boxer will not stop until the referee has snapped him back to his humanity.
Or the boxers that didn’t stop punching, or the fans that paid for them to have that job
@@kennyoffhenny Are you kind of person that sues the gun manufacturer?
I think it was mainly the punching
You know what, screw that. Morrison showed in the Foreman fight that he could last into later rounds because he drew up a strategy. In the Mercer fight he thought he'd just go full blast and take Mercer early. Merciless, just like Big George, had an IRON jaw, so that was Morrison's fault completely for letting his cardio diminish to amateur level.
Could Joe and Jaime PLEASE put a VR camera in one of the seats so that we can "sit" with every guest thru our VR headsets? Please like this comment so that JAMIE AND JOE CAN SEE IT!
That would be fucking awesome
That would be amazing 👏
Another thing about the Ray Mancini/Duk Koo Kim fight it was so tragic and devastating that Kim's own mother took her own life not long after and the referee who must have been wrecked by guilt also took his own life i think about a year later.
It changed Mancini for the rest of his life too. Death from a fight is never what a true fighter wants to see.
this is 110% correct
Fuck. Being a Ref is really one of the toughest jobs
They were all on drugs bro its not that deep
@@michaelb1761 OK? So?
Joe has such an amazing memory on fighters and nobody can deny him being an immense talent at commentating for MMA and could be great at boxing as well 👍
Joe remembering all of these fights, stats, details, names, etc. It's just amazing.
Yea he's good but you ever hear Mike Tyson talk boxing history??? That man is like a fuckin boxing historian/encyclopedia... it really impressive and at first unexpected.
He is in his circle of competence. He really shines when it comes to talking about martial arts.
@ByWayOfDeception absolutely agree. Imo frankly he's surprisingly intelligent and informed on a lot of general and random esoteric stuff...
Ppl always busted his balls about using "big words" neglecting the fact he was using them correctly... I applaud any attempt at educating yourself and he def does that.
It really isn't. Any boxing fan could tell you all of this and actually give accurate info.
Not amazing, just a true boxing fan that actually watched most of these fights. I watched 3 of these fights at the time myself and remember them well. Benn vs McClellan turned into a very sombre "Fight Night" with the guys when it happened. I can't believe it was so long ago.
This video took me an hour to watch because I stopped to watch the highlights from each fight. Turned out to be a good history lesson.
Me too 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣
Haha me too
Roberto Duran, when fighting as a lightweight, was one of the most brutal punchers I ever saw. I don't think he ever killed anybody in the ring, but he regularly sent his opponents to the hospital.
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It's about mass. The LWs don't have the body mass to generate the force needed to do as much damage as the HWs. It's just physics.
@@azynkron That is so mind numbingly stupid and incorrect it almost hurts. If you think that Duran couldn't kill someone with his hands even at lightweight then your mistaken. Your talking about a man that's called the hands of stone. There have been multiple boxers who said Duran hit them harder than they ever been hit before. Naturally bigger guys than Duran himself too.
@@azynkron Go look at Duran fight with Ray Lampkin! Duran knocked him out with a left hook and Lampkin didn't move for almost and hour and a half.
He doesn't wanna dive in there and get murked! 😂😂😂 And that replay😂😂😂 Over and over 🤣🤣🤣
That ref just waiting there is so nerve racking. It’s these few seconds at the end of a fight where brain damage and death occurs if the ref doesn’t call it.
if it makes you feel better, he killed himself about a year later from the guilt/grief.
@@theclinchmma4126Different referee. Ruby Goldstein died (of cancer) in 1984. One of my childhood friends was a relative of the Goldsteins.
@@bamboosho0t damn. must’ve got caught up in that fake news again… appreciate the polite correction!
@@theclinchmma4126 - Paret went into a coma and died from his injuries 10 days later. Griffith lived until 2013, passing at age 75
True story - I went to high school with Gerald McClellan and in my senior year in an art class I was sitting across from two guys- one tall slender dude and the other short,stocky and a big mouth. The big mouth started talking shit to me and then said “ you getting tough…I’ll sick my boy here on you!” I said “ I’ll take him after you”. Not knowing who he was.
Gerald just smiled and told his buddy to stop causing trouble-we looked at each other and nodded like it was over and no big deal.
The next week over morning announcements they said “ we’d like to congratulate our own Gerald McClellan for winning the 1987 Milwaukee Golden Gloves contest! Lol. I instantly knew why he was so cool- he didn’t abuse his skills and talents. It was too bad to see what happened to him. Great guy!
Great story man!
SirLeDoux, a pity you didn’t sort the big mouth out though!
A cool comment from you here, thank you. I remember Gerald’s fight live on the tv with Nigel Benn. 2 supreme boxers with a sad outcome.
I don’t think a ‘great guy’ would engage in dog fighting and have his pitbull kill another dog that he taped down.
Either way he didn’t really deserve what eventually became of him so yeah…
@@ARR409 didn’t know that story- yikes! That’s not too slick.
@@ARR409 true, he was a horrible pitbul fighter that had dogs torn apart. Still messed up what happened to him.
That Ray mercer vs Tommy Morrison fight looked like a crime 🤣🤣🤣
Fury vs Wilder 3 , Morrison vs Mercer
@@TropicalGardenGuy Oh man epic fights and Tyson Vs Frazier looked like a execution
Duk Koo Kim....killed in ring by Ray Mancini
I saw that when I was a kid I thought he was ⚰️
Absolutely, I thought he killed him! I remember watching that I was pretty young
Love when Joe is talking fighting. Wish he would do more fight companion podcasts, and I wish they'd put them back on CZcams!
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Richard Steele was another phenomenal referee that didn’t care how big or bad the fighters were, he made it clear that HE was in charge of that ring!
That used to be Ruby Goldstein, who was the ref of the Griffith/Paret fight. Ruby had a reputation for stopping fights too quickly. But he used to be a fighter. He was 55-6 39KO's. The one fight he didn't step in faster cost him his career and a man's life. Boxing is a dangerous sport.
Richard Steele was notorious for stopping fights at the wrong time. Chavez Vs Taylor I being a prime example.
@@derekathomson That was a perfect stoppage. He asked Taylor if he was okay twice, and Taylor didn’t answer. One more punch could’ve killed him.
Do you think he was right with 1990 Taylor-Chavez stoppage call?...or officiating Tyson-Ruddock I in March,1991?
You must be kidding me. Richard Steele was one of the worst Referees ever. I’m 56 and watched his entire career…from the 1970s until he retired. He has some of the worst stoppages in history, as well as being a notoriously crooked and mob-tied Refs of all time.
The Honorable Mills Lane (yes, a practicing Judge) was the best of all time, and one of the smallest. He grabbed Tyson by the arm, flung him around and said “cut that shït out Mike”.
The Morrison fight always breaks my heart.
His entire life story is tragic. He was still boxing somehow while being HIV Positive.
Early stoppage
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I'm assuming this is about the time Ray Mercer melted him
imagine if Morrison didn’t party.
big what if right there
The Mercer / Morrison fight is what got Mario Yamasaki into being a ref.
"Tommy was being a warrior"
@@ChipFreeSpace Dude was out on his feet, the ref should have stepped in before he took another 6 shots to the head for no reason.
@@SWIFTzTrigger it's a Mario Yamazaki meme. I'm not being serious just FYI
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@@ChipFreeSpace oh I see lol
I think what Joe said that big heavyweights should have big refs is generally true. Having said that Mills Lane was probably the best ref ever and he was small but showed no fear (he also did 20 minutes of jump rope, 5 rounds of heavybag, and ran two miles a day so he would be in shape to move in fast...and when he started to slow down was when he retired from refereeing).
I remember him yelling at Tyson during the bite fight. Tyson saying that he didn’t bite Holyfield and mills says “BULLSHIT, 2 points off him” no fear or anything lol
@@lowestcommonDenomanator and he was the one guy Tyson didn't go after (I always figured Lane probably reminded Tyson of Cus).
Moments like Joe getting emotional talking about the Duk Koo Kim fight is why I keep watching. You aren't gonna get an unplanned genuine emotional response to the gravity of physical violence as entertainment and sport from a television program
That was a brutal fight with Boom Boom...I saw a still photo of a body shot in that fight and I can't remember if it was Boom Boom or Duk but the hand was literally inside of the body it hit so hard all the way up to the wrist the body had obsorbed the entire hand to where you couldn't see it it was crazy...I don't know how that didn't kill the fighter... craziest photo I've ever seen of a punch
@@megclifton6692 got a link?
@@Michael-ww3yp to what a HS fight hahahaha...I wish this was back in the 80 's you can look up Jeremy Williams though heavyweight pro fighter guarantee he still training people an has a gym
The reasons why it's easier to get knocked out after a match you've been KO'ed in:
1. Aura of invincibility is gone.
2. Self-assuredness of never losing is also extinct.
3. Your opponents know your weakness(es) and are willing to exploit it (or them) like jackals.
4. Perhaps you overtrain after a loss to compensate, which makes you more susceptible to gassing out and getting tagged hard.
5. You can never get back what Father Time takes away.
The level of details Joe remembers always amazes me!
Joe got it wrong. He didn't die in the ring. Stop assuming Joe is correct.
Settle down bud, I don't even remember the details of who you're talking about.
The guest Brian Simpson has good memory too, he said literally everything that Joe already said about boxing in older episodes
@@whatabasswhole1220 You said you like that Joe remembers details, but then you said you don't remember the details.
@@BigSnipp Exactly my point.
Makes me think of Prichard Colon. And that one was entirely avoidable too.
@@Tapmyprofiletocontactme98 get a job
Gerry McClellans sparring and training partners in previous camps said they saw his eyes twitch and blink uncontrollably on occasion after being hit before the benn fight, so there was possibly something neurological going on prior to that fight. such a heartbreaking story though if anyone hasn't seen the documentary on Gerald it's confronting and very sad. his family is amazing.
Yeah you're right about that. His sister is really an angel, as is all his family. It's really heartbreaking.
He took some damage vs Julian Jackson.
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what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later”
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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They were witnessing the beginning of his karma…
Yep that’s the word, the Jackson fight caused the problem
Willie Pep stands out because he won a round without throwing a single punch. He's like the OG of utilizing his foot and head movement.
That’s an urban myth.
@@MoltenGriefing that is stuck in everyone's head because of Teddy Atlas lol
No he didnt lol
As someone with minimal understanding of fight terminology and analysis, I love watching Joe talk about a fight with footage.
I think when a boxer's brain suffers a brutal knock out, after the fight the body does a full reboot, but like a video game energy bar, the brain governs down that energy cycle bar to a half-way mark to protect the boxer from himself. Some boxers are just too "Gladiator' for their own good, and doesn't know how (or care) to quit even though the internal organs are in distress.
It greatly diminishes your motivation to train hard and to take damage, you will always think twice and hesitate once your hit bad after that.
Great comment.
I think this a great way of putting it. After each KO a person’s maximum health bar is diminished, so they can take fewer punches; less damage.
@@DailyCorvid not quite sure I understand your comment. Think twice?? Nah,,, train harder. If you box or do any combat sport damage is part of the game. Make your piece with it in the beginning
@@marc2638 Said truly like a man who never experienced a proper injury and who doesn't give a shit about his family. Or maybe it's they who do not care for you and that's why you are so blase about your mortality.
Lol kid thinks he's Hercules. Not so.
You'll find out one day mate that beating up other guys means fuck all in the great scheme of things.
A "proper" injury is one that will damn near kill you stone dead, and if you are fortunate enough NOT to die off from - will leave you permanently crippled and unable to earn that level of cash ever again.
Mostly due to medical bills and being totally unable to do those things again. Yeah make peace with that lol kids these fuckin days... I could name you a dozen dead or crippled boxers who don't even know where they are now.
Who is looking after them? Yep the poor wife or family you never cared to think of when you were egotripping all the way to the HOF. LOLOL ridiculous.
You never had a fight if you think you somehow can't get a bad injury next time or the time after. Shocking stupidity. I hope this rant shakes you the fuck up before you get yourself into a wheelchair you will never get back out of.
Your mum will be wiping your arse since you won't be able to reach by yourself, Hercules that can't wipe his own arse. Better you than anybody else then Herc!
I seen all those Roy Jones fights they talk about live the Tarver knockout and the road warrior Glenn Johnson I remember that..
Yea man RJJ went up to HW and then had an insane weight cut to fight Tarver and got smoked
@Don't miss it this was so cute I'm going to get your channel shut down 😂 hairy little troll
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what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later”
“if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.”
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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The tarver knockout had everybody at my house crying
Good clip! Always awesome to see the encyclopedia of boxing and fighting that is joes mind
You couldn’t have even watched the whole video yet 😂
You have to admire the hypocrisy of Joe towards boxing…UFC is way riskier than boxing
@@tylargusta3211 never watched Joe talk about boxing and fighting ever? This isn’t his first time
@@YutubeBansALot not really boxers 100% have more head trauma than MMA fighters
@@YutubeBansALot couldn’t be more wrong
Big John would throw himself in between fighters to protect someone. That's a good dude.
He was a fighter so he gets it
Eubank v Watson scariest I'd seen. Eubank never the same after it. Lost his edge and still world champ
I remember the Benn/Gerald fight and the aftermath. There was a huge movement by the medical profession to get boxing banned in the U.K. and they were nearly successful.
If you can take one positive from the fight it did provide the medical world further info regarding indications of possible brain trauma developing during a fight. It was noticed that Gerald started blinking a lot, wiping his left brow and having his gum shield hanging out of his mouth.
His last name wasn't Gerald. It was McClennan. Have enough respect to research it and call the man by his correct name.
@@loydchristmas23 I know his last name wasn’t Gerald. And I’ll use any name I want.
He showed signs of brain trauma before the Benn fight, most likely got it from fighting the pfp hardest puncher Julian Jackson
totally dude. totally, totally perfect
@@Kharn888 yeah, McClellan complained of headaches after the Julian Jackson fight, even tho he stopped Jackson.
If you wanna see a brutal fight, I'll never forget Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan. Its awful what happened to him after.
The greatest fight I ever saw. And the worse too.
Rabbit punches
Great stuff Joe, yup, the Ray Mecer deal was the most violent beating I ever saw in 50 years of boxing...
It has been reported that since 1890 more than 1,876 fighters have died as a result of injuries sustained in the ring.
Love your username but does your wife know you stole it from her? 🥴
@@DeathValleyDazed 😂 that might be a dad-joke but it’s one of the best I’ve ever heard
@@CantTellYou Confessions of happily married men 😆
My favorite Roy Jones Junior move was the rooster feint. He'd throw his arms down and forward like one of his fighting roosters to get the other guy to drop his arms then plaster him.
Love your Podcast Boss
Arturo Gatti knocking out Joey Gamache is so brutal it's funny. The slow-mo of Joey getting his head bobbled as he's slugged really fuckin hard with three punches before he's finally able to fall is one of the best KO's ever.
I was in Vegas watching the Johnson vs Jones fight. Roy got hit behind the ear and he went down like someone hit the off button. He wasn't moving and you can see him mouth "I'm done". I was so bummed out watching that fight.
He didn't say, "I'm done".
He said “Zzzzzz.”
@@shall7277 around 6:59 Mark of this video below it looked like he says "I'm done". It could have been I'm good or something else but I'm the heat of the moment seeing your favorite fighter laying on the ground for several minutes, that's what I recall him saying. czcams.com/video/xurWHNylVdg/video.html
@@traviszander Didn’t mean anything by it and I hear you. RJJ bounces around my top 3 any given year. I can only imagine the feeling in my stomach had I have seen that live.
@Don't miss it not it’s not it’s a stupid cat video
Zab Judah’s soul left his body for a brief second and then came back dancing.
I was thinking about that too. Kostya Tzu (if I'm spelling that correctly) put that showboat into eternal shame.
appreciate what you do joe
Some absolutely brutal knockouts, esp the Mercer fight.. Jesus. Love hearing Joe explain it.
What people do not understand is that boxers hit wayyyy harder than MMA guys. Makes all these clips so much more brutal when put in that context.
They hit harder, but they don't hit "wayyyy" harder.
well duhh, boxing is purely a striking sport while MMA is literally mixed martial arts, boxers don't have access to the range of styles available in mma so need to specialise usually in either speed or power (sometimes you get boxing legedns who are proficient in both Tyson, Ali, SRL etc). With mma You can go with speed or power in combination with bjj or wrestling. Tbh MMA is like rock paper scissors, except if paper was overpowered lol. Typically in a 1v1 grappling is superior to striking especially in mma. Put most boxer on there back and they are like deer in headlights lol they dont know what to do. Rock=striking paper=grappling/bjj scissor= slight combination of both kind of like combat bjj with stinking or sambo basically ground and pound.
people who don't understand boxers hit harder don't watch enough combat sports.
put Mayweather in the octogen and hes getting wrecked after a double leg.
my favourite is when DJ suplexed a guy into an armbar. shit was ridiculous lool
Idk man it has to do a lot with the way they stand and move because they have to worry about kicks and takedowns. Different sports require different tools to be utilized is all.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Errol Spence hits harder than any UFC Welterweight despite almost being able to make the UFC Featherweight class
I feel like Francis could actually Jill someone
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David Tua vs. John Ruiz was another extremely brutal knockout.
I was ringside at the Morrison vs Mercer fight. It was like watching someone fall off a cliff. Watching them fall and knowing what's going to happen but you can't do anything about it.
Jesus bro that’s wild to see live. The craziest ko I seen was Michael Chandler front kicking Tony Ferguson out cold in the ufc. Was at that fight it was wild
Love when Rogan talks about boxing; makes me miss it so much.
Also, Peret didn’t die in the ring, he died 10 days later (however, he never gained consciousness after the 12 round).
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what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later”
“if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.”
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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That was quite a ride
I saw an interview with Ray Mercer and he said that at the weigh in, Tommy’s back was all broken out in horrible acne. Ray then told his cornermen that Tommy had been using steroids, which turned out to be true, and they needed to rethink their strategy. He said that his cornermen said to take Tommy for as long as he could into the fight because the steroids were for short bursts of power, and they may not help him in the later rounds. I guess Ray was right.
So essentially Ray decided to tank shots from a roided guy to gas him out and then knock him out? If so, that makes Mercer an even badder motherfucker than I already though he was
I never knew that Tommy Morrison had bacne before the Mercer fight. I just remembered Mercer just mollywhopped him.
Bruh 80% of heavyweight took steroid in that era including mike tyson
The 2 fights with Julian Jackson did some damage to Gerald McCellan. After those fights you could see Gerald with weird excessive blinking.
I honestly think it’s a mental thing after the first ko. I think your brain tries to protect you as much as it can. Plus after you get knocked out no matter how badly you want to fight again your gonna be thinking about that knockout and it’s gonna make you more hesitant.
Glad ive never been Koed, i plan to keep it that way lol.
Joe has an episode where he mentions a conversation he had with Chuck Liddell about losing your chin over time. Pretty interesting.
@@N3gativeR3FLUX think I saw that one, Yh it’s very interesting
I agree but a large part is boxers learn your weakness over time and see the chink in your armor.
@@MrBigspendn yea but shouldn’t that be everyone’s weakness? I literally think they get scared tbh (not in a bad way) fighting is a scary thing to do, so the more you try to prevent something the quicker it happens.
When i was a kid i used to love seeing people get knocked out... but i've seen enough people with CTE that my reaction has changed from excitement to disgust.
Same here. I had a buddy that was a very talented boxer growing up. We had a friend that we would take turns knocking out. I mean we sparred with him but he was a late bloomer. My buddy would knock him out at will. We thought that it was funny.
Luckily, the kid that we used to knock out (and videotaped it), became a doctor. He is still doing fine, but probably won't have his faculties when he's older.
This type of stuff will always be fun for the spectator, meanwhile the fighters have everything to lose
Another brutal knockout was George Cooney vs Ken Norton. Cooney landed about 3-4 hard shots while Norton was out on the ropes. Even Ali said it was ugly.
Edit: lol yes it’s Jerry Cooney. Thanks everyone.
It was Jerry Cooney
I think you have George Cooney confused. Ken Norton took two extremely brutal KO's in his career - one was a 1st Rd. KO by Jerry Cooney and the other a 2nd Rd. KO by George Foreman that the ref had to stop the beating. But Norton also beat Ali and was sort of robbed in their second fight split decision and really robbed in their final fight at Yankee Stadium.
great actor loved him in Ocean’s 11
George foreman said Jerry Cooney hit him the hardest he'd ever been hit! I thought that was cool because foreman fought some animals!
i will show you the meaning of click bait
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there is a Legendary story to tell it is a story about bravery and fearlessness
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what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later”
“if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.”
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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The Prichard Colon fights still haunts me...
Boxing talk got me hooked to JRE
Anyone remember the boxing analyst that said Joe didn’t know anything about Boxing?
Dude has studied it religiously and can full recall fights from memory
Jones is one of the only other boxers to visit Gerald to this day and Gerald doesn't even remember he was a boxer it's very sad
nigel benn gave him a visit too!
@@uglybassterd1 very noble but it very well could have been him in that position and he knew that but I believe what happened to McClellan was almost predetermined as if he was going to have issues before and been prematured the process but idk when he went to one knee and shook his head something was off
I remember watching as a little kid at my dad's house , well probably not every detail of course lol but the names and the fight itself
Look up McClellan’s history of dog fighting and it’s not so sad anymore. Couldn’t have happened to a better person.
Great boxing knowledge, Joe
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I Went to school with a guy who got into a fight at a party, punched a guy once and he fell back, hit his head on the concrete and died.
He did 5 years jail.
I had a buddy who did the same, except the guy survived after being in icu for a month. That same buddy ended up besting his dad to death and is serving 25 years. He was a messed up guy.
It doesn't take much man, crazy he only did 5.
@@JoshBenware Some people just cannot control their emotions and rage, sad really.
@Cub well, he did have some type of schizophrenia. He was so paranoid and was always sucker punching people. I can't even count how many people. He suckered punched me too, lol. Had my mouth wired shut for 6 weeks...guy was nuts!
@@Cub__ especially when alcohol is involved, brings out the worse in people.
"He doesn't want to dive in there and get MERKED." - JOE ROGAN
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"He beat the sh*t out of him?"
My dude, he beat the life out of him
I watched Mercer Morrison live and it changed my brain forever lol.
Norton vs Cooney was brutal also
I watched that Tarver fight with my homeboy who was the BIGGEST RJJ fan(also had money on RJJ and was basically bragging about how he was gunna win) 😬
I remember when Tarver said “Got any excuses tonight Roy?” I looked at my friend’s face and his excitement turned to concern. When RJJ got KO’d I was like “OHHHHH BABY” like the And 1 announcer and he got so pxssed off 🤣🤣🤣
I haven’t thought about that in years and I still laugh to myself everytime that fight comes
back up in my mind 😂
Its easy to forget how much Rogan knows about fighting man! He is like the fight google or something!
great talk about boxing!!!
I watched about Parrett an found out this guy had like 3 brutal fights before that, he didn't die right away, he went into a coma and he passed 10 days later, but after listening to a boxing pundit, found out that he had 3 tough fights before and this was the 3rd fight between these guys, and the guy he fought before that had hit him with some heavy shots!! Parrett took this fight only after fighting 2 months prior
I remember when Mohammed Ali fought past his prime and got the hell beat out of his brain. I remember, after Sugar Ray Leonard was smashed in the press for months that he danced so wonderfully in the ring, only because he couldn't take a punch, the one fight where Sugar Ray Leanard stood toe to toe with Roberto Duran (which Sugar won) and never talked the same again. I remember when Marvin Hagler went from a great speaker to a guy who could barely speak, after getting hit in the head over and over and over. There is a very high cost to this sport, yet it is the most basic sport of all time. Like Joe said, have a ref in there who is a match for both of the fighters. You can save a life that way.
Yep. People may say what they want about Mayweather, but he himself said it's about hitting and not getting hit yourself. If you could do that shit then you are the master of the sweet science. And even Mayweather doesn't have all of his brain cells but he's better than most and he got out before it got really bad. That's why it always makes me happy to hear George Foreman talk. The guy sounds just as good as he ever did as a Young Man. There's some people that's just made for boxing. They can give it as good as they get.
@@tyrfree5733 I completely agree, Foreman was so tall. boxers spent most their time trying to beat his body to a pulp. Foreman also had a reach that would clock a ticket in a heartbeat too. And Mr. Foreman sounds great today unlike 90% of the other retired boxers. When Sugar Ray Leonard stood toe to toe with Roberto Duran, I was almost in tears because Duran beat on Ray as hard as he could, and Ray refused to dance like he always did. Ray proved his point, but his speech and his eyes have never been the same. Damn it man, if you can dance and strike like that and avoid the blows, apologize to no one for being that great.
@@phil4986 Wtf are you guys talking about? Sugar Ray speaks just as well as he ever did LOL. Ali had Parkinson's Disease, not pugilistica. Haggler was fine as well lol. Now if you wanna talk about speech impairment, Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bowe have wicked impairments.
boxing is way more violent and dangerous than MMA...
Sugar Ray lost that fight but won the rematch “no mas “but I don’t know what your talking about because Ray still sounds perfectly fine.
The fact that Roy was affraid of Gerald show what kind of boxer Gerald is.
Always impressed by Julio Cesar Chavez's durability. That guy blocked so many hits with his face for so long vs so many heavy hitting great fighters and besides an ugly mug, he's healthy as can be in old age. Some people are just built different. Like David Tua as well. Not only was he dropping H bombs, but he would stand in the middle taking your best and is healthy, mentally now that he's retired. They're just built different.
James Toney is another one
@@ltsHybrid yup! They're just built different.
Chavez didn’t take as many solid punches as you might think. It only happened in his older age in the ring. He was a master technician
@@MackTheGovnah well, the fact he was older like you say only makes it more impressive.
@@erod6468 I think Chavez is Mexicos greatest boxing champion.
"What is this ref waitin' on?"
His pension, I would say.
This dude said “yeah old George foreman”, Old Foreman was a demon bloke won the heavyweight title at 45 years old
Woahh.. Joe is like Wikipedia for Combat sports.
there's a reason they wanted him on UFC, dude knows his shit.
he takes alpha brain
Brian Simpson is like wikipedia for whatever Joe has said about combat sports in the past
Ray Mancini is from my hometown. I see him just about every Wednesday night at the same establishment. Heck of a nice guy.
I'm so stunned!!! I never knew!
combat sports and boxing most especially is just so brutal..
all the hard work, dedication, and sacrifice just to get to a certain level would take up 95% of your time.
whats crazy is that even by putting in the work, winning isnt promised.
Not to mention the possible fatal injuries it comes with!
My 9yr old is at the gym 3-4days a week 3hrs a day training. He says "time to work Dad, we don't play boxing"
His only dream is 2032 Olympics and he is 100%dedicated to that dream. Young champ is going to start fighting in 2023
Sugar Ray dreamt about killing a man in the ring the night before he did it.
Leonard or Robinson?
@@JoshBenware Robinson
Joe got me going talking about the Dark Destroyer, was a big boxing fan back then and Benn was always fun to watch.
It’s crazy how much joe knows about combat sports
I could listen to Joe talk about boxing all day.
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It's pretty crazy youtube hasn't banned this picture yet after been used for years. Anyway I like it so who cares ig.
@@willspeakman2461 what do you mean, that’s totally a real person and that is this 100% real lady’s photo, and I like her a lot she is my friend
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what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later”
“if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.”
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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He doesn't understand the neutral corner rule after Kelly Pavkik explained it to his face, and he said the Paret fight didn't change the rules, when they brought in the four looser ropes because of him getting stuck in the right 3, nobody can know everything, but for an expert he gets a fucking lot wrong
there is no better fight commentator in this planet .. joe is the GOAT
I was thinking this too. I love hearing him
B4 I watched this, I’d just so happened to watch the Morrison vs Mercer fight yesterday, alot of good boxers hold their opponents head down, Ali did it and many more, it kinda discombobulate you especially if you’re tired.. Mercer did it all fight until he caught Morrison
Boxing in the 80s and 90s was nuts.
Jamie with the slow mo back in forth 😂😂😂
The reason McClellan got so messed up was because Benn landed so many blows to the back of his head.
Tito Trinidad vs fernando vargas 🔥🔥
It's funny People don't realize that the gloves are not to protect your opponent from the damage you were doing to their brain The gloves are to protect your hands from your opponent's skull
A punch from a glove at the same force will do less brain damage but its not gonna be the same force i can hit a person in the head pretty hard with out doing major damage to my hand but with a glove i can throw mutiltple 100% hits and even go 110%
A lot of people don’t know rogan is a true boxing historian
and Brian Simpson here is a true historian of repeating everything Joe Rogan ever said about boxing
He isn't.
Joe has a very surface level understanding of boxing. Lets not go crazy lol
He knows history of results.. but the actual sport of boxing his knowledge is nowhere near what his mma knowledge is
You must be out of your mind. Even Joe Rogan bows to Mike Tyson. Mike is the fucking boxers encyclopedia and don't you forget it! The amazing thing is both of these people smoking massive amounts of weed!
Benn had some amazing fights with Eubank who later in his career left Michael Watson with brain damage. Eubank was never the same fighter afterwards even pulling punches and telling the ref to stop the fight as he was scared the same thing could happen again
I love hearing how Rogan almost goes into his commentator form during the fight second boxing match
That Marsden Mercer fight reminded me a lot of the Max Bear Frankie Campbell fight where Bear just hammers campbell with a series of rights and ended up killing him
Watching clips like this reminds me of why I’m glad I stopped competitively boxing. The amount of head trauma boxers go through compared to every other combat sport is insane. I saw too many of my buddies take a dirty shot to the back of the head that gave them life long problems to realize this isn’t what I wanted to do with my life. Full respect to every boxer out there that puts their lives on the line to do what they love
Use to box and train to compete in the Golden Gloves at Joe Frazier's first gym--23rd Police Athletic League in Philly in the late 60's early 70's when I was a student at Temple Univ. Sparred with Ali/Frazier sparring partners to include Jimmy Young and Stanley "Kitten" Hayward at another gym. My eyelids were perpetually black/blue--the students on my campus thought I was wearing eye makeup. Started having headaches and decided as a student that the pursuit of other athletic outlets was in my cards.--Mike
I stopped because a mfker I suspect loaded his gloves and cut me. I'm a handsome man. I want to stay handsome. I had a headache for a week.
McClellan dehydrated, causing the water to deplete in the brain area, himself making weight for the Benn fight bc I’m fact he was to big for that weight class. He would’ve SMOKED Jones jr. If they had fought. He was too fast for Jones to run away from & those punches McClellan would throw were scarier then anyone at that weight class since. What could’ve been never was bc of Benn. Actually, that fight messed up Nigel Been too. He wasn’t the same fighter after that match either.
McClennan was coming up a weight to SM. They said the damage was done in the fight he had with Jackson before who was another tremendous puncher.
@@jameswatson5450 Jackson landed some bombs on him, he was better suited at 154 and was clearly too small for McClellan. But I think that’s when the brain damage really started. Most boxing fans regard Julian Jackson as the hardest puncher pound for pound.
@@mikehawk8198 I agree. Jackson was a monster
They even showed a back of head punch Nigel landed on him in this clip, looked like it hurt.
@Mike Hawk You're spot on. McClellan complained about repeatedly getting headaches after the first Jackson fight. A boxer he was sparring with, for the Benn fight, said he caught McClellan with a regular jab on the nose & McClellan backed off, blinking & saying he'd been thumbed in the eye.......but later on, in the changing room, McClellan said there was no thumb in the eye & the punch had seriously hurt him. The warning signs were there.
Gerald Mclelleans head injuries started from his matches with Julian Jackson. He took a ton of punishment from those and was even more out of whack leading up to the Nigel Benn fight.
Nigel Benn landed heavy shots to the back of the head multiple times, obviously didn’t mean to do the damage he did but the fact is it was illegal and showed why that night
Correct. Saw one blatant "rabbit punch" in the highlight reel Joe just showed.
How could he forget the epic battle between Dad and his son Matt Watson, such a tragic fight that was so sad to see
People were celebrating, I just couldn’t get it. Like that’s YOUR SON, dude. Oh....aww. Why would they lie?
What do you mean?
@@legendofawwsheet5883 pretty self explanatory
Benn was also a huge knockout artist, he was also one of those guys that was massively dangerous when hurt. Benn was always my favourite.
You like cheats, druggies.
The guy is the most casual boxing fan around. He knew something about somebody getting killed in the ring. In depth stuff.